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Quote from: patrick jane on July 05, 2021, 07:59:43 am

That happens when you quote a post, it posts all posts in the quote.

lori Bolinger,
re:  "...what do you mean 'repeated over and over in subsequent posts?"

I was incorrect in saying all posts.  The 1st reply by Mr E didn't repeat your OP.  But the next 5 replies did. 


re:  "As to what we believe.  Salvation is a belief of the heart which is not a mental consent, amen, but that isn't what we are talking about here,"

OK, sorry.  When you wrote "What must we believe" I thought you were saying there were certain things that we must believe.

Quote from: rstrats on July 07, 2021, 07:03:57 am

lori Bolinger,
re:  "...what do you mean 'repeated over and over in subsequent posts?"

I was incorrect in saying all posts.  The 1st reply by Mr E didn't repeat your OP.  But the next 5 replies did. 


re:  "As to what we believe.  Salvation is a belief of the heart which is not a mental consent, amen, but that isn't what we are talking about here,"

OK, sorry.  When you wrote "What must we believe" I thought you were saying there were certain things that we must believe.

The list is what the early church said were what they believed, thus considered the sound teachings they were to adhere to.

your latest quote:"The list is what the early church said were what they believed, thus considered the sound teachings they were to adhere to."

Are you speaking of the early churches that Paul was bringing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to or was it the churches in a specific century after John's writing of Revelation?

Blade

When I think of the really early Christian churches I think of Paul and his disciples starting churches all over Macedonia, Greece an Asia Minor and beyond. I do not think of Peter or Rome or the Catholic church.

Quote from: patrick jane on July 10, 2021, 08:01:03 pm

When I think of the really early Christian churches I think of Paul and his disciples starting churches all over Macedonia, Greece an Asia Minor and beyond. I do not think of Peter or Rome or the Catholic church.

Other than in Roman Catholic tradition, I don't know of Peter founding or leading any church in Rome.  He was in leadership at the "church" (group of believers) in Jerusalem, and later seen among the church of believers in Antioch.  When Paul wrote to the church in Rome (the book of Romans) there was nothing addressed to Peter whatsoever.

Not sure.... but I do know that there is no record in scripture of Peter in Rome, or the head of the group of believers gathered there that Paul addressed.

"Tradition" says that Peter was crucified by Rome, in Rome-- but none of that is mentioned in scripture and "the story" doesn't emerge until many years later. (like 250 years later).

Peter, James and John,  the same three who were with Jesus in the garden and on the mountain were the leaders of the early church, and some time after that Paul too joined the early Christians in establishing a ministry primarily aimed at Gentile believers near and far.