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Thank you again brother Blade.

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@Bladerunner said: Constantine did bring the state and Church together (marry) by legalizing the Christian Church. All Theodosius was make the Christian religion the official religion of ROME... There is one other thing Theodosius did and that was to place his power into the Church trying to force this Christian religion throughout the land. The Church retained much of that power and the rest is history with the RCC ruling Kings and Kingdoms including Roman Emperors for 11-1200 years.

I wasn't talking about Theodosius who came after Constantine, but Diocletian who was Emperor 'before' Constantine, who supposedly destroyed all the manuscripts, letters, books of both the OT and the New, yet they all appeared with a New interpretation in the hands of Constantine and his Catholic-"Christian" Church.

Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305) Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ, except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece, etc.

Yes, during this time, Jews were persecuted and any Christians were also. However, at the time of the Textus Receptus, there were still 5,000 original (NOTE) manuscripts to trans-scribe.

Note: The term  "Original" is used here as those manuscripts that were saved by individuals or families. The Christian Church back then was in the Home and rightly so. Most of the manuscripts back then were written by the student of the synagogue from memory. Even though it was memory, all 5,000 agreed with each other with very little differences and 98% of these being in the spelling of proper names.

Again I thank you brother Blade. But what I believe "what we have here is the failure to communicate"

(time 1:25)


What you are calling "Christian Church in a home" was not what the believers called themselves. They were mocked by that name.
It was the RCC by Constantine that created their gentile church by that name, which we both agree were not the Church of Jesus Christ made up by those following the "Way, the Truth, and the Life" as recorded ibn the Bible.

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except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the "son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
- Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian" mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.


The Roman Church, certainly not the Christian (body of Christ) church.

The Roman Catholic Church is the Only Christian Church for the past 1,700 years. I am still searching for others that either don't consider themselves "Christian", or follow the original believers who had No Name for some Organized Religion, but went by "the Way" which is Jesus Christ as the Bible describes.

I have found both the "No Name Church" also called the Two by Twos, and a "the Way" church, but they were Christian with most of the Christian doctrines, and some other really way out non-Biblical doctrines.

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The Bible was outlawed for anyone to have and only the Church could interpret it.

The Bible Septuagint LXX was written 300 years prior to Christ. The New Testament was held in some 5-6000 manuscripts and used in the underground HOME churches for it was dead to all to even own the Bible.

Yes of course, they didn't want Roman citizens to figure out that the New "Christian Religion" was not Scriptural, and forced their own interpretation of both God whom they killed,, and that Jew Jesus, who even 1,700 years later according to todays first Jesuit Pope said was "a failure on the cross", which are the actual blasphemy of blasphemies.

No that was not the reason. it was more nefarious. It seems that the emperor by marrying (promoting) the Church and the state had taken on the title of "Anti-christ". By placing the state and the church together, this title went to the high bishop at the time. He did not like it either and thus outlawed the Bible and any of its interpretations. This remained in effect for the world by the RCC up until Martin Luther. Of course, this was the beginning of the crusades the RCC carried out against the Protestants, etc.

But brother, this same thing is happening today in all the protestant Churches, like the Baptist's are probably the biggest supporters of "Bearing arms and fighting for your country". How does that fit in with Christs teaching of "Love one another as I have loved you, .. love your enemies, .. pray for them that hate and persecute you" etc.?

One thing that my fellow Christians have to understand, it is that there is one "Christian Religion" with tens of thousands of denominations. And no matter how similar their doctrine, a 7thDA will not go to a JW's meeting. So there is your proof, that "Christian" is Not of Christ.

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The RCC accepted writings of the manuscripts but also the non-cononical books and of course was interpreted by the Pope. (P.s as you said, Peter was not the 1st POPE. Yet the RCC today still claims He was the first POPE. WHY? because they incorrectly  interpreted the words Jesus told Peter: Mat 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

You are either playing the "willfully ignorant" card, or you don't realize the implication of your Christian comment? If you agree that "Peter was not the first Christian Pope", then the Roman Christian Religion has no "foundation" to stand on, .. none. You just broke that thin thread that the RCC used for the past 1,700 years to make over 2 billion Christians believe they are somehow connected to Christ and his early Apostolic Church.

Peter was not the first Pope of the RCC. and as far as I am concerned, the RCC is heretical at best.

But the RCC IS the real Christian. And if you go by the RCC created doctrine like the Trinity, then your home is the RCC.



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I will tell you now. If you believe what your words are saying that Jesus only existed as a man, then my Friend, You are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and according to His (Jesus')WORD, unless you change you mind, Hell is awaiting.

Yes, I am saying just as the Bible clearly states:
John 1:14 (NIV)
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.


.. and also another 'yes' that "hell on earth" has been my home from the day I was born, to now 62 years of my life. But, in all this pain and suffering, all this confusion, the light is getting brighter as I am assured by Scripture:

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.
8 We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed;
perplexed, but not in despair;
9 persecuted, but not abandoned;
struck down, but not destroyed.
10 We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.
11 For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake,
so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body.
12 So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.


First of all, you have the wrong Bible. The NIV version is full of  atrocities against the WORD of GOD.

Jesus was a Man on earth born of woman, heir to the Throne of King David by both his parents, Joseph and Mary.......But Jesus was the Son of GOD, a part of the trinity Psalms 2 and Gen 1:26, etc. Jesus was there at the beginning.

So you think Jesus was Josephs child, his DNA with Marries?

It wasn't Jesus at the Beginning, but before he came to earth he was Gods son Word. It was "the Word that became flesh and dwelt amongst us" Yes, the Word, now also named Jesus the Christ among many other names like Advocate, Lamb of God, King of the Jews, bright Morning Star, the Way, the Truth and the Life etc.
The Word was God before God beget/created him, just as Eve was Adam before God took her out of Adam. But this does not make Eve; Adam.

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Rev 22:13...".I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

There is no doubt that Jesus is part of the trinity of God (the Father), Jesus Christ (the Son) and the Holy Spirit.  Please read psalm 2 where all three of them are having a conversation.[/shadow]

I never said Gods son Word was not a big part of God, for God created all things through and for him. What I'm saying is that neither the Word, or after he came to earth and was named Jesus is 1/3 of God, or make up any part of who God is. I mean if you want to take that route, then we ALL make up God, for All Thing exist In Him.

The trinity Doctrine says that Jesus is God, and that God died on the cross, murdered by the Romans.
The Romans hated the Jews as much as the Jews hated the Romans, so around 300AD the Romans plotted to kill God also, which they achieved by taking all the OT and New and created a doctrine called the Trinity. In this Doctrine, they kill God by making Jesus into God, even though in reality they just worship the gods they always have, mainly the sun-god Helios. This is why they created the Heliocentric universe, where all the gods circle in praise of their sun-god.


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The only way to Heaven and GOD is through Jesus Christ through Faith alone.
( 1 Cor 15:1-4). I hope you can change to believe in this for it the only road there.

And which heaven is that Blade, that NASA.gov space where the Christian globe resides along with other gods like Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, circling in praise of the sun-god Helios?

  Quit being silly. The 3rd Heaven to be exact. You are living under and in the 1st heaven.   

Blade

True, by faith in that Gods son Word came to earth, was born of woman and named Jesus Christ. Anyone confesses that shall enter into Gods Kingdom.
But if people worship some sun-god also named Jesus, they shall not enter Heaven, for they worship a man made god.



Wow, where did you get the above from?  Until you give a references to this view point, I can not respond.

Blade





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Bladerunner said: Wow, where did you get the above from?  Until you give a references to this view point, I can not respond.

Blade

After Diocletian just about wiped the early church out, those who according to the Bible went by "the Way" including the letters they had, and then it turned up with the RCC, and they added the mock word "Christian" to their gentile Religion and that's how this "Christianity" Started. I'm sure you know that Rome and the Emperors worshipped many pagan gods, so the RCC worshiped pagan gods, do you agree?
That's why they made the Trinity Doctrine to better fit in with their earlier beliefs.
Idol worship was their main Religion before, and idol worship continued after.
The only thing changed was that they renamed their idols after the Jewish Apostles, and included naming their Queen of heaven; Mary, and the baby Jesus as Thammuz.

Nothing changed for Rome after they crucified Jesus, and to stop the spread of the Good News, Diocletian wiped th early believers out. Then Constantine followed with spreading the Roman Religion in sheep skin, in the name of the Bible.

I mean if History doesn't show the real wolf of the R.C. Christian then nothing will. The Bible is their sheepskin.
This is why documentaries like Zeitgeist is so convincing, because that's what the RCC worshipped, and Christians worship today, idols and many gods.

Look at Christmas, Easter, mixed in with the more obvious Halloween, these been going on ever since the mock- Christianity was created. And the Few Denominations that don't celebrate these pagan holidays, they still hold on to, and interpret other pagan Christian ideas into the Bible. This is what I'm saying, that "Christian is a gentile created Religion", that is hiding under the Bible sheepskin. It doesn't take much to see that. Just try to take Santa, or the Easter bunny out of Christianity and you will see the true nature of the wolf. I have, and I was shunned by EVERY Major Christian Denomination, from Catholic, to Baptist, to JW's, to 7thDA to the non-trinitarian but still Christian "the Way", the Two by Twos, and my Old Country Apostolic Nazarene churches to a point we had no reason to go to any Christian Church anymore. We could feel the cold in the Christian Churches like going into a freezer.
Besides, if you have read the Bible, tell me where it was prophesied anywhere that God will use a pagan idol worshipping Gentile nation to spread Christs message through? I mean how come no Bible Scholar ever noticed the terrible discrepancies of this, when throughout the Bible it says that God will send His messenger through His Chosen People Israel, .. not a pagan gods worshipping Gentile nation.

THIS was Rome before, and this is Rome using the mock name "Christian" Now.



Just because some denomination dilute this, and even preach against it, they still hold on to other pagan Christian ideals and beliefs, mainly the plural gods, along with Christmas and Easter. Those who don't even do that, made other gods, like names of gods as their god, or a day that they worship. No matter how you package Christianity, its origions will always stay.
So "Get Out of Her my people" the Lord is calling you back!

I could explain in detail the difference between Christianity, and the followers of "the Way", from the Bible and from what we know of History, want to hear it?

Love you Blade, I have absolutely nothing against you personally, I just pray to God that I could open your eyes, and other Christians eyes, if I could, I could say I have achieved something for my/our Lord Jesus and just let them kill me already. I could then say: "I'm done here, take me Lord, I had enough!"

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Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305) Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ, except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece, etc.

except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the "son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
- Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian" mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.

I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for your name...

Don't you have some interesting links with more information on that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I have already posted information on Mithraism: https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/

Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth? Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.

It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton, who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!

Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges" to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?

Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly: "It's Christian"!

You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the information there? That's right, Christians.

You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense.

But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long 1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in Christianity! Never.

But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that Christians have done throughout history!?"

Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.

My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

but like I said, this was written by Christians, and Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was already happening,

Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:

Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
   .. Blasphemy!

If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it is still from a Christian perspective.



These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning the early believers about!

Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!

Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati, Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.

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Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305) Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ, except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece, etc.

except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the "son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
- Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian" mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.

I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for your name...

Don't you have some interesting links with more information on that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I have already posted information on Mithraism: https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/

Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth? Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.

It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton, who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!

Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges" to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?

Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly: "It's Christian"!

You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the information there? That's right, Christians.

You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense.

But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long 1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in Christianity! Never.

But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that Christians have done throughout history!?"

Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.

My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

but like I said, this was written by Christians, and Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was already happening,

Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:

Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
   .. Blasphemy!

If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it is still from a Christian perspective.



These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning the early believers about!

Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!

Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati, Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.

You said:"You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."

So Sad!

Blade
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Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305) Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ, except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece, etc.

except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the "son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
- Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian" mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.

I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for your name...

Don't you have some interesting links with more information on that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I have already posted information on Mithraism: https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/

Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth? Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.

It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton, who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!

Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges" to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?

Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly: "It's Christian"!

You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the information there? That's right, Christians.

You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense.

But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long 1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in Christianity! Never.

But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that Christians have done throughout history!?"

Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.

My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

but like I said, this was written by Christians, and Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was already happening,

Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:

Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
   .. Blasphemy!

If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it is still from a Christian perspective.



These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning the early believers about!

Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!

Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati, Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.

You said:"You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."

So Sad!

Blade

Thank you Blade my friend, .. I agree, it is sad, but at least they didn't dig up Arius's grave, then take his bones and burn them, then scatter them in some river as the Christian Church did to other so called "heretics".


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Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305) Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ, except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece, etc.

except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the "son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
- Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian" mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.

I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for your name...

Don't you have some interesting links with more information on that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I have already posted information on Mithraism: https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/

Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth? Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.

It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton, who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!

Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges" to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?

Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly: "It's Christian"!

You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the information there? That's right, Christians.

You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense.

But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long 1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in Christianity! Never.

But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that Christians have done throughout history!?"

Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.

My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

but like I said, this was written by Christians, and Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was already happening,

Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:

Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
   .. Blasphemy!

If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it is still from a Christian perspective.



These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning the early believers about!

Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!

Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati, Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.

You said:"You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."

So Sad!

Blade

Thank you Blade my friend, .. I agree, it is sad, but at least they didn't dig up Arius's grave, then take his bones and burn them, then scatter them in some river as the Christian Church did to other so called "heretics".

That is not what I meant by the "So Sad" statement.

I actually meant it is so sad that someone cannot differentiate;

'A true Christian (follower) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 cor 15:1-4) as written by PAUL, the Apostle to the Gentile and Jew, in the New Testament'

and

'those who are  Christians in Name Only!'

Blade

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Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305) Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ, except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece, etc.

except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the "son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
- Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian" mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.

I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for your name...

Don't you have some interesting links with more information on that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I have already posted information on Mithraism: https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/

Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth? Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.

It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton, who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!

Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges" to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?

Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly: "It's Christian"!

You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the information there? That's right, Christians.

You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense.

But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long 1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in Christianity! Never.

But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that Christians have done throughout history!?"

Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.

My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

but like I said, this was written by Christians, and Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was already happening,

Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:

Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
   .. Blasphemy!

If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it is still from a Christian perspective.



These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning the early believers about!

Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!

Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati, Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.

You said:"You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."

So Sad!

Blade

Thank you Blade my friend, .. I agree, it is sad, but at least they didn't dig up Arius's grave, then take his bones and burn them, then scatter them in some river as the Christian Church did to other so called "heretics".

That is not what I meant by the "So Sad" statement.

I actually meant it is so sad that someone cannot differentiate;

'A true Christian (follower) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 cor 15:1-4) as written by PAUL, the Apostle to the Gentile and Jew, in the New Testament'

and

'those who are  Christians in Name Only!'

Blade

I don't see how you associate the word "Christian" to anything you quoted here, or any other place that talk about the disciples in the New Testament?
All the word "Christian" has to do in the Bible is how the early disciples were mocked as "Christians', and how it made them suffer. The rest of Christianity is a pagan Gentile creation, and it is clear what their long term goal was.

I am here to take us back to the time this "Christian" thing started, and it was initiated by the Gentiles. As I said, the Bible was just the sheepskin the wolf hid under, but today, they just about shed that skin.

Why did the Reformation happen?
How far from the original Christian did it wonder off?
Why stop here, why not "Get out of her" (her meaning the Christian Religion) totally?

If you would have followed me on about a dozen other Christian Debating Forums over the past 20 years you would have seen how different Christianity is from Christs teaching, and what exactly is that they defend? I can tell you this much, it is not God, or Jesus Christ, or the Commandments, but the Trinity Doctrine! Members of any religious background, even Satan worshippers were allowed to voice their opinions against the Bible, against God, against Jesus Christ and including the Holy Spirit, as long as they did NOT attack the "Trinity Doctrine". It was then that I was banned from the debating Forum.
Actually there were Muslims that attacked the Trinity, but since they didn't have the necessary Biblical knowledge, they were usually defeated easily. But since I had deeper Scripture understanding, I was consistently and continually banned.

One last one was me simply posting the Pope saying: "Jesus was a failure on the cross"



this got me Banned. That is Christian defending their gods.

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Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305) Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ, except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece, etc.

except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the "son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
- Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian" mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.

I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for your name...

Don't you have some interesting links with more information on that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I have already posted information on Mithraism: https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/

Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth? Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.

It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton, who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!

Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges" to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?

Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly: "It's Christian"!

You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the information there? That's right, Christians.

You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense.

But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long 1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in Christianity! Never.

But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that Christians have done throughout history!?"

Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.

My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

but like I said, this was written by Christians, and Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was already happening,

Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:

Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
   .. Blasphemy!

If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it is still from a Christian perspective.



These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning the early believers about!

Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!

Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati, Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.

You said:"You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."

So Sad!

Blade

Thank you Blade my friend, .. I agree, it is sad, but at least they didn't dig up Arius's grave, then take his bones and burn them, then scatter them in some river as the Christian Church did to other so called "heretics".

That is not what I meant by the "So Sad" statement.

I actually meant it is so sad that someone cannot differentiate;

'A true Christian (follower) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 cor 15:1-4) as written by PAUL, the Apostle to the Gentile and Jew, in the New Testament'

and

'those who are  Christians in Name Only!'

Blade

I don't see how you associate the word "Christian" to anything you quoted here, or any other place that talk about the disciples in the New Testament?
All the word "Christian" has to do in the Bible is how the early disciples were mocked as "Christians', and how it made them suffer. The rest of Christianity is a pagan Gentile creation, and it is clear what their long term goal was.

I am here to take us back to the time this "Christian" thing started, and it was initiated by the Gentiles. As I said, the Bible was just the sheepskin the wolf hid under, but today, they just about shed that skin.

Why did the Reformation happen?
How far from the original Christian did it wonder off?
Why stop here, why not "Get out of her" (her meaning the Christian Religion) totally?

If you would have followed me on about a dozen other Christian Debating Forums over the past 20 years you would have seen how different Christianity is from Christs teaching, and what exactly is that they defend? I can tell you this much, it is not God, or Jesus Christ, or the Commandments, but the Trinity Doctrine! Members of any religious background, even Satan worshippers were allowed to voice their opinions against the Bible, against God, against Jesus Christ and including the Holy Spirit, as long as they did NOT attack the "Trinity Doctrine". It was then that I was banned from the debating Forum.
Actually there were Muslims that attacked the Trinity, but since they didn't have the necessary Biblical knowledge, they were usually defeated easily. But since I had deeper Scripture understanding, I was consistently and continually banned.

One last one was me simply posting the Pope saying: "Jesus was a failure on the cross"



this got me Banned. That is Christian defending their gods.

Yet you were attacking me for being a Christian... Even Jesus tells us the Catholic
church and her pope (this pope) will ride the beast. It is no wonder about what the pope says.....

Thank you for posting it.... Others need to hear it... It has not been fixed has it? a false video does no one any good.

Not all Christians are True.....nor are your enemies.

Blade



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Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305) Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ, except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece, etc.

except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the "son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
- Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian" mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.

I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for your name...

Don't you have some interesting links with more information on that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I have already posted information on Mithraism: https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/

Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth? Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.

It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton, who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!

Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges" to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?

Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly: "It's Christian"!

You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the information there? That's right, Christians.

You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense.

But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long 1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in Christianity! Never.

But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that Christians have done throughout history!?"

Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.

My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

but like I said, this was written by Christians, and Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was already happening,

Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:

Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
   .. Blasphemy!

If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it is still from a Christian perspective.



These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning the early believers about!

Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!

Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati, Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.

You said:"You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."

So Sad!

Blade

Thank you Blade my friend, .. I agree, it is sad, but at least they didn't dig up Arius's grave, then take his bones and burn them, then scatter them in some river as the Christian Church did to other so called "heretics".

That is not what I meant by the "So Sad" statement.

I actually meant it is so sad that someone cannot differentiate;

'A true Christian (follower) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 cor 15:1-4) as written by PAUL, the Apostle to the Gentile and Jew, in the New Testament'

and

'those who are  Christians in Name Only!'

Blade

I don't see how you associate the word "Christian" to anything you quoted here, or any other place that talk about the disciples in the New Testament?
All the word "Christian" has to do in the Bible is how the early disciples were mocked as "Christians', and how it made them suffer. The rest of Christianity is a pagan Gentile creation, and it is clear what their long term goal was.

I am here to take us back to the time this "Christian" thing started, and it was initiated by the Gentiles. As I said, the Bible was just the sheepskin the wolf hid under, but today, they just about shed that skin.

Why did the Reformation happen?
How far from the original Christian did it wonder off?
Why stop here, why not "Get out of her" (her meaning the Christian Religion) totally?

If you would have followed me on about a dozen other Christian Debating Forums over the past 20 years you would have seen how different Christianity is from Christs teaching, and what exactly is that they defend? I can tell you this much, it is not God, or Jesus Christ, or the Commandments, but the Trinity Doctrine! Members of any religious background, even Satan worshippers were allowed to voice their opinions against the Bible, against God, against Jesus Christ and including the Holy Spirit, as long as they did NOT attack the "Trinity Doctrine". It was then that I was banned from the debating Forum.
Actually there were Muslims that attacked the Trinity, but since they didn't have the necessary Biblical knowledge, they were usually defeated easily. But since I had deeper Scripture understanding, I was consistently and continually banned.

One last one was me simply posting the Pope saying: "Jesus was a failure on the cross"



this got me Banned. That is Christian defending their gods.

Yet you were attacking me for being a Christian... Even Jesus tells us the Catholic
church and her pope (this pope) will ride the beast. It is no wonder about what the pope says.....

Thank you for posting it.... Others need to hear it... It has not been fixed has it? a false video does no one any good.

Not all Christians are True.....nor are your enemies.

Blade

I wasn't attacking you my dear friend, or any other 'person', especially not any Bible believing, Christ following believer. I am instructed:
2 Timothy 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge:
2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
- Hey, I'm doing my best.

I was presenting an argument about the word Christian, and how it was used as mockery against the early believers, those disciples of Christ who referred to themselves as "followers of the Way", and how Rome was effected by these Early disciples where the "Good News" has even reached the families of Royalty, of the house of the Emperors, even Caesar himself.
This was not to be allowed. Satan ruled Rome, just as he has ruled over the gods of Egypt and he was not about to let God of the Hebrews who took the silver and gold, along with the gold idols from Egypt, and wiped out its armies, allow to now appoint some simple Jewish King over his New world ruling kingdom "Rome", so a counterfeit "Christianity", .. not whom the Romans called "Christians", but an actual Christian Religion was created, and made into the Official Religion of the Roman Empire.

If I am attacking anything, it is this Gentile Roman created Religion that took on the mock-name Christian created by the Emperors Pope, and sealed by the Emperor himself. It is this Gentile created Religion called "Christian" that I pray to make people aware of, and that the Jesus Christ in Christianity is Not the Christ of the early Church, or whom those early disciples followed, .. those who referred to themselves as "followers of the Way" referring to one of many Jesus's titles: "the Way, the Truth and the Life".

The RCC created Christian Religion has always had their own doctrines, and the very Foundation of this Christian Religion is the "Trinity Doctrine". This is what God burdened me with to tell the Christian world, that our Lord Jesus Christ is NOT in "Christian" just as he is not the Jesus of the thousands of Mexican boys named after him.

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Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305) Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ, except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece, etc.

except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the "son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
- Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian" mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.

I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for your name...

Don't you have some interesting links with more information on that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I have already posted information on Mithraism: https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/

Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth? Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.

It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton, who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!

Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges" to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?

Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly: "It's Christian"!

You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the information there? That's right, Christians.

You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense.

But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long 1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in Christianity! Never.

But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that Christians have done throughout history!?"

Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.

My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

but like I said, this was written by Christians, and Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was already happening,

Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:

Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
   .. Blasphemy!

If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it is still from a Christian perspective.



These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning the early believers about!

Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!

Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati, Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.

You said:"You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."

So Sad!

Blade

Thank you Blade my friend, .. I agree, it is sad, but at least they didn't dig up Arius's grave, then take his bones and burn them, then scatter them in some river as the Christian Church did to other so called "heretics".

That is not what I meant by the "So Sad" statement.

I actually meant it is so sad that someone cannot differentiate;

'A true Christian (follower) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 cor 15:1-4) as written by PAUL, the Apostle to the Gentile and Jew, in the New Testament'

and

'those who are  Christians in Name Only!'

Blade

I don't see how you associate the word "Christian" to anything you quoted here, or any other place that talk about the disciples in the New Testament?
All the word "Christian" has to do in the Bible is how the early disciples were mocked as "Christians', and how it made them suffer. The rest of Christianity is a pagan Gentile creation, and it is clear what their long term goal was.

I am here to take us back to the time this "Christian" thing started, and it was initiated by the Gentiles. As I said, the Bible was just the sheepskin the wolf hid under, but today, they just about shed that skin.

Why did the Reformation happen?
How far from the original Christian did it wonder off?
Why stop here, why not "Get out of her" (her meaning the Christian Religion) totally?

If you would have followed me on about a dozen other Christian Debating Forums over the past 20 years you would have seen how different Christianity is from Christs teaching, and what exactly is that they defend? I can tell you this much, it is not God, or Jesus Christ, or the Commandments, but the Trinity Doctrine! Members of any religious background, even Satan worshippers were allowed to voice their opinions against the Bible, against God, against Jesus Christ and including the Holy Spirit, as long as they did NOT attack the "Trinity Doctrine". It was then that I was banned from the debating Forum.
Actually there were Muslims that attacked the Trinity, but since they didn't have the necessary Biblical knowledge, they were usually defeated easily. But since I had deeper Scripture understanding, I was consistently and continually banned.

One last one was me simply posting the Pope saying: "Jesus was a failure on the cross"



this got me Banned. That is Christian defending their gods.

Yet you were attacking me for being a Christian... Even Jesus tells us the Catholic
church and her pope (this pope) will ride the beast. It is no wonder about what the pope says.....

Thank you for posting it.... Others need to hear it... It has not been fixed has it? a false video does no one any good.

Not all Christians are True.....nor are your enemies.

Blade

I wasn't attacking you my dear friend, or any other 'person', especially not any Bible believing, Christ following believer. I am instructed:
2 Timothy 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge:
2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
- Hey, I'm doing my best.

I was presenting an argument about the word Christian, and how it was used as mockery against the early believers, those disciples of Christ who referred to themselves as "followers of the Way", and how Rome was effected by these Early disciples where the "Good News" has even reached the families of Royalty, of the house of the Emperors, even Caesar himself.
This was not to be allowed. Satan ruled Rome, just as he has ruled over the gods of Egypt and he was not about to let God of the Hebrews who took the silver and gold, along with the gold idols from Egypt, and wiped out its armies, allow to now appoint some simple Jewish King over his New world ruling kingdom "Rome", so a counterfeit "Christianity", .. not whom the Romans called "Christians", but an actual Christian Religion was created, and made into the Official Religion of the Roman Empire.

If I am attacking anything, it is this Gentile Roman created Religion that took on the mock-name Christian created by the Emperors Pope, and sealed by the Emperor himself. It is this Gentile created Religion called "Christian" that I pray to make people aware of, and that the Jesus Christ in Christianity is Not the Christ of the early Church, or whom those early disciples followed, .. those who referred to themselves as "followers of the Way" referring to one of many Jesus's titles: "the Way, the Truth and the Life".

The RCC created Christian Religion has always had their own doctrines, and the very Foundation of this Christian Religion is the "Trinity Doctrine". This is what God burdened me with to tell the Christian world, that our Lord Jesus Christ is NOT in "Christian" just as he is not the Jesus of the thousands of Mexican boys named after him.



Arius, I was with you until the last sentence highlighted in orange above. My eyes are open a little more. So you are totally against the Trinity (Godhead) more than anything.

What can I say to change your mind, I doubt anything will do that! The Bible tells us in many places throughout its pages; The Father, The Son and The Holy SPirit are separate but One GOD.

Psalms 2 itself is the three of them speaking between themselves about How mankind is so arrogant.

Please permit me to take you through its pages.

Psalms 2:2....The Holy Spirit  is speaking....Notice in verse two;"The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, saying,"

Plotting against [b]against the LORD, and against his anointed,[/b], with The Anointed One being Jesus Christ.

In verses 1,3-5,,The Holy Spirit is wondering at the kings and heathen (gentiles) of earth as to why they think they can make war against God (the Father and His Anointed One, His SON, Jesus Christ) 

This would be in reference to the final battle (Armageddon), as the Kings of earth along with Satan/anti-christ and the False Prophet plot against GOD (the Trinity)

***********

Psalms 2:6-8.... Jesus Christ is speaking, notice in verse seven; "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

Jesus is telling us what His father has said to him especially calling Jesus His son.

Note: to further enhance the fact that Jesus is His SON, in verse 8;"Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."

*******************
Psalms 2:9-12..God (the Father) is speaking ,

Notice in verse nine; the Lord is speaking about how His son will rule during the millennium; "Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." Referred in Revelation 2:27;12:5 and 19:5

then in verse 10-11;."Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. v11..Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. "[/color]

 The Lord is speaking to the Church (Body/Bride of Christ)?. (O ye kings, ye judges of the earth) Yes, the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ will become Priest and Kings to judge the earth.

In verse 12, The Lord is speaking to the reader: "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

But I cannot help but let my eyes fall on the last of that verse:" Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."  him being Jesus Christ

As yo can see, the trinity (Godhead) in Psalms two speaks of the last days on earth and confirms Jesus Christ is God and the Son of GOD.

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I wasn't attacking you my dear friend, or any other 'person', especially not any Bible believing, Christ following believer. I am instructed:
2 Timothy 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge:
2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
- Hey, I'm doing my best.

I was presenting an argument about the word Christian, and how it was used as mockery against the early believers, those disciples of Christ who referred to themselves as "followers of the Way", and how Rome was effected by these Early disciples where the "Good News" has even reached the families of Royalty, of the house of the Emperors, even Caesar himself.
This was not to be allowed. Satan ruled Rome, just as he has ruled over the gods of Egypt and he was not about to let God of the Hebrews who took the silver and gold, along with the gold idols from Egypt, and wiped out its armies, allow to now appoint some simple Jewish King over his New world ruling kingdom "Rome", so a counterfeit "Christianity", .. not whom the Romans called "Christians", but an actual Christian Religion was created, and made into the Official Religion of the Roman Empire.

If I am attacking anything, it is this Gentile Roman created Religion that took on the mock-name Christian created by the Emperors Pope, and sealed by the Emperor himself. It is this Gentile created Religion called "Christian" that I pray to make people aware of, and that the Jesus Christ in Christianity is Not the Christ of the early Church, or whom those early disciples followed, .. those who referred to themselves as "followers of the Way" referring to one of many Jesus's titles: "the Way, the Truth and the Life".

The RCC created Christian Religion has always had their own doctrines, and the very Foundation of this Christian Religion is the "Trinity Doctrine". This is what God burdened me with to tell the Christian world, that our Lord Jesus Christ is NOT in "Christian" just as he is not the Jesus of the thousands of Mexican boys named after him.


Arius, I was with you until the last sentence highlighted in orange above. My eyes are open a little more. So you are totally against the Trinity (Godhead) more than anything.

Ah, I thank the Lord and you brother!
Yes, the Trinity and the fact that it was the RCC through Constantine that took the derogatory word "Christian" and created a Religion out of it, with it's foundation based on a man-made Doctrine of the Trinity-gods.
You know the history of the RCC right? It's not a secret, nor is it a secret what this last Pope is doing and saying. You do know that all the major Protestant Denominations have come and bowed their allegiance to the Pope, right? Here is all the denominations gathered to receive the Popes video-message asking All Christians to end this "Protesting" nonesence, and "Come back Home". Please observe their response?



Just a reminder that the Trinity Doctrine did not come from either the Apostles, nor the Early disciple Church after all the Apostles died, .. nor did it come from Luther, but is the sole creation of the RCC-Christian Church.

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What can I say to change your mind, I doubt anything will do that! The Bible tells us in many places throughout its pages; The Father, The Son and The Holy SPirit are separate but One GOD.

Yes, I know they are separate, and with them is the One and Only Possible Infinite God "I Am", the Father of the son Word, and the Creator of Gods main Holy Spirit.
God has many other Spirits with many different Principalities besides the Holy Spirit working for Him, and now after the sons victory over sin and death, God placed him above all principalities and powers, so that whoever worships the son, worships God. because if we can't accept Gods son Word, who became flesh and dwelt amongst us, who we seen with our own eyes in all righteousness, then how would we accept our Invisible, Infinite and Eternal Spirit "I Am" who we cannot see? .. I mean it makes perfect sense. Now no one has an excuse.
God is One, and there is no way possible to place another god beside Him. Jesus is in God, and no created/begotten being can be part of some trinity that make up God. That's not even possible, and anyone think it is, does not understand the meaning of Infinite and Eternal.

Quote
Psalms 2 itself is the three of them speaking between themselves about How mankind is so arrogant.

Please permit me to take you through its pages.

Psalms 2:2....The Holy Spirit  is speaking....Notice in verse two;"The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, saying,"

Plotting against [b]against the LORD, and against his anointed,[/b], with The Anointed One being Jesus Christ.

In verses 1,3-5,,The Holy Spirit is wondering at the kings and heathen (gentiles) of earth as to why they think they can make war against God (the Father and His Anointed One, His SON, Jesus Christ) 

This would be in reference to the final battle (Armageddon), as the Kings of earth along with Satan/anti-christ and the False Prophet plot against GOD (the Trinity)

The son Word, who came and was named Jesus is now above all Principalities and Powers, both in Heaven and on earth, but not God. Of all the years I've been a Christian, singing "Blessed trinity" hymns, I could never understand the Trinity, nor have I ever seen a need for this doctrine, nor has anyone explained why the need to make God three individuals, especially like Jesus the man be part of, and even above God??? For the life of me I can not see how Jesus can be Father of Father God and the Holy Spirit, and be Mighty God also?

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
   Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Quote
Psalms 2:6-8.... Jesus Christ is speaking, notice in verse seven; "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

Jesus is telling us what His father has said to him especially calling Jesus His son.

Note: to further enhance the fact that Jesus is His SON, in verse 8;"Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."

Yes, Jesus is the son of God, created in the very image of God, and he is the Beginning and the End, while Infinite is God.

Quote
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Psalms 2:9-12..God (the Father) is speaking ,

Notice in verse nine; the Lord is speaking about how His son will rule during the millennium; "Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." Referred in Revelation 2:27;12:5 and 19:5

then in verse 10-11;."Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. v11..Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. "[/color]

 The Lord is speaking to the Church (Body/Bride of Christ)?. (O ye kings, ye judges of the earth) Yes, the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ will become Priest and Kings to judge the earth.

In verse 12, The Lord is speaking to the reader: "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

But I cannot help but let my eyes fall on the last of that verse:" Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."  him being Jesus Christ

As yo can see, the trinity (Godhead) in Psalms two speaks of the last days on earth and confirms Jesus Christ is God and the Son of GOD.

Blade
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Yes, the Christian Jesus is a god, specifically the sun-god, and no "Christian" that I have spoken to, debated with, or argued with over Scripture could ever deny their sun-god, or the Trinity Doctrine. In other words, no Christian could give up their Religion, no matter what the Bible says!?

This also proves that nothing has changed with Rome over their 1,700 year rule as Christians, they had tens of thousands of gods then, and they have tens of thousands of gods now, each god with it's own denomination and doctrine. The main one being this Christian Jesus the sun-god.

So; "How many right interpretations are there to scripture?" Only One.

"How many interpretations are there to scripture?" as many as there are Christian denominations, and I read some statistics that say: "there is a new one popping up every day".

God bless

Arius.
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I wasn't attacking you my dear friend, or any other 'person', especially not any Bible believing, Christ following believer. I am instructed:
2 Timothy 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge:
2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
- Hey, I'm doing my best.

I was presenting an argument about the word Christian, and how it was used as mockery against the early believers, those disciples of Christ who referred to themselves as "followers of the Way", and how Rome was effected by these Early disciples where the "Good News" has even reached the families of Royalty, of the house of the Emperors, even Caesar himself.
This was not to be allowed. Satan ruled Rome, just as he has ruled over the gods of Egypt and he was not about to let God of the Hebrews who took the silver and gold, along with the gold idols from Egypt, and wiped out its armies, allow to now appoint some simple Jewish King over his New world ruling kingdom "Rome", so a counterfeit "Christianity", .. not whom the Romans called "Christians", but an actual Christian Religion was created, and made into the Official Religion of the Roman Empire.

If I am attacking anything, it is this Gentile Roman created Religion that took on the mock-name Christian created by the Emperors Pope, and sealed by the Emperor himself. It is this Gentile created Religion called "Christian" that I pray to make people aware of, and that the Jesus Christ in Christianity is Not the Christ of the early Church, or whom those early disciples followed, .. those who referred to themselves as "followers of the Way" referring to one of many Jesus's titles: "the Way, the Truth and the Life".

The RCC created Christian Religion has always had their own doctrines, and the very Foundation of this Christian Religion is the "Trinity Doctrine". This is what God burdened me with to tell the Christian world, that our Lord Jesus Christ is NOT in "Christian" just as he is not the Jesus of the thousands of Mexican boys named after him.


Arius, I was with you until the last sentence highlighted in orange above. My eyes are open a little more. So you are totally against the Trinity (Godhead) more than anything.

Ah, I thank the Lord and you brother!
Yes, the Trinity and the fact that it was the RCC through Constantine that took the derogatory word "Christian" and created a Religion out of it, with it's foundation based on a man-made Doctrine of the Trinity-gods.
You know the history of the RCC right? It's not a secret, nor is it a secret what this last Pope is doing and saying. You do know that all the major Protestant Denominations have come and bowed their allegiance to the Pope, right? Here is all the denominations gathered to receive the Popes video-message asking All Christians to end this "Protesting" nonesence, and "Come back Home". Please observe their response?



Just a reminder that the Trinity Doctrine did not come from either the Apostles, nor the Early disciple Church after all the Apostles died, .. nor did it come from Luther, but is the sole creation of the RCC-Christian Church.

Quote
What can I say to change your mind, I doubt anything will do that! The Bible tells us in many places throughout its pages; The Father, The Son and The Holy SPirit are separate but One GOD.

Yes, I know they are separate, and with them is the One and Only Possible Infinite God "I Am", the Father of the son Word, and the Creator of Gods main Holy Spirit.
God has many other Spirits with many different Principalities besides the Holy Spirit working for Him, and now after the sons victory over sin and death, God placed him above all principalities and powers, so that whoever worships the son, worships God. because if we can't accept Gods son Word, who became flesh and dwelt amongst us, who we seen with our own eyes in all righteousness, then how would we accept our Invisible, Infinite and Eternal Spirit "I Am" who we cannot see? .. I mean it makes perfect sense. Now no one has an excuse.
God is One, and there is no way possible to place another god beside Him. Jesus is in God, and no created/begotten being can be part of some trinity that make up God. That's not even possible, and anyone think it is, does not understand the meaning of Infinite and Eternal.

Quote
Psalms 2 itself is the three of them speaking between themselves about How mankind is so arrogant.

Please permit me to take you through its pages.

Psalms 2:2....The Holy Spirit  is speaking....Notice in verse two;"The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, saying,"

Plotting against [b]against the LORD, and against his anointed,[/b], with The Anointed One being Jesus Christ.

In verses 1,3-5,,The Holy Spirit is wondering at the kings and heathen (gentiles) of earth as to why they think they can make war against God (the Father and His Anointed One, His SON, Jesus Christ) 

This would be in reference to the final battle (Armageddon), as the Kings of earth along with Satan/anti-christ and the False Prophet plot against GOD (the Trinity)

The son Word, who came and was named Jesus is now above all Principalities and Powers, both in Heaven and on earth, but not God. Of all the years I've been a Christian, singing "Blessed trinity" hymns, I could never understand the Trinity, nor have I ever seen a need for this doctrine, nor has anyone explained why the need to make God three individuals, especially like Jesus the man be part of, and even above God??? For the life of me I can not see how Jesus can be Father of Father God and the Holy Spirit, and be Mighty God also?

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
   Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Quote
Psalms 2:6-8.... Jesus Christ is speaking, notice in verse seven; "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

Jesus is telling us what His father has said to him especially calling Jesus His son.

Note: to further enhance the fact that Jesus is His SON, in verse 8;"Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."

Yes, Jesus is the son of God, created in the very image of God, and he is the Beginning and the End, while Infinite is God.

Quote
*******************
Psalms 2:9-12..God (the Father) is speaking ,

Notice in verse nine; the Lord is speaking about how His son will rule during the millennium; "Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." Referred in Revelation 2:27;12:5 and 19:5

then in verse 10-11;."Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. v11..Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. "[/color]

 The Lord is speaking to the Church (Body/Bride of Christ)?. (O ye kings, ye judges of the earth) Yes, the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ will become Priest and Kings to judge the earth.

In verse 12, The Lord is speaking to the reader: "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

But I cannot help but let my eyes fall on the last of that verse:" Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."  him being Jesus Christ

As yo can see, the trinity (Godhead) in Psalms two speaks of the last days on earth and confirms Jesus Christ is God and the Son of GOD.

Blade
[/shadow]

Yes, the Christian Jesus is a god, specifically the sun-god, and no "Christian" that I have spoken to, debated with, or argued with over Scripture could ever deny their sun-god, or the Trinity Doctrine. In other words, no Christian could give up their Religion, no matter what the Bible says!?

Why would you resort to Blasphemy? You speak of GOD yet Blasphemes His own Son?

This also proves that nothing has changed with Rome over their 1,700 year rule as Christians, they had tens of thousands of gods then, and they have tens of thousands of gods now, each god with it's own denomination and doctrine. The main one being this Christian Jesus the sun-god.

Where are the True Christians, the ones who believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel
 (1 cor 15:1-4). I guess you deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the NT.?  You are obsessed with the RCC as the only Christian throughout History?


So; "How many right interpretations are there to scripture?" Only One.

"How many interpretations are there to scripture?" as many as there are Christian denominations, and I read some statistics that say: "there is a new one popping up every day".

God bless

Arius.

I agree that 95% of all Christian Churches are apostate. They have slipped away from God as prophecised in the Bible.

Yet, you say GOD bless.....so I take it, that you are as Meshak and others are against the Trinity altogether. It is sad, for you blaspheme the only one who can give you salvation. Jesus Christ

Blade

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Yes, the Christian Jesus is a god, specifically the sun-god, and no "Christian" that I have spoken to, debated with, or argued with over Scripture could ever deny their sun-god, or the Trinity Doctrine. In other words, no Christian could give up their Religion, no matter what the Bible says!?

Why would you resort to Blasphemy? You speak of GOD yet Blasphemes His own Son?

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
   Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

So which one is the son, the Everlasting Father, or the Mighty God?

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This also proves that nothing has changed with Rome over their 1,700 year rule as Christians, they had tens of thousands of gods then, and they have tens of thousands of gods now, each god with it's own denomination and doctrine. The main one being this Christian Jesus the sun-god.

Where are the True Christians, the ones who believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel
 (1 cor 15:1-4). I guess you deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the NT.?  You are obsessed with the RCC as the only Christian throughout History?

I shown you several times already that the RCC-Christians are the "real Christians", for they are the ones who created the Religion from that word, not the early disciples who followed the Way (aka Jesus Christ the son of God). So if you deny the Holy Roman Catholic Church, you deny your very Christianity, and I'm sure you know that.
Todays Pope is making that loud and clear, that without the Church, Christ has no meaning to you. That "it is the Church that gives life and meaning to Christ"
But you are still safe, because about 75% of Catholics don't go to church, but as long as they hold on to the Trinity-gods Doctrine, they are still a part of the Church, and the gods are with them.

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So; "How many right interpretations are there to scripture?" Only One.

"How many interpretations are there to scripture?" as many as there are Christian denominations, and I read some statistics that say: "there is a new one popping up every day".

God bless

Arius.

I agree that 95% of all Christian Churches are apostate. They have slipped away from God as prophecised in the Bible.

Please show me one, .. that's right just one "Christian Church" in the Bible? But I can show you one Christian Church from History, and it started about 325AD by a plural-gods worshiping Gentile Nation, specifically Rome.
They did allow Luther to go Apostate, even left a copy of his 95 Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Castle church without burning him at the stake after torturing him for days, or throwing him to the lions as the Christian practice was in those days!?
In two of his later works, Luther expressed antagonistic views towards Jews. His rhetoric was not directed at Jews alone, but also towards Roman Catholics, Anabaptists, and nontrinitarian Christians disciples of the Way. Luther died in 1546, with his decree of excommunication by Pope Leo X still effective. But he remained a Christian holding on to then 1,200 year old Trinity gods, and the idols of the Mother of Heaven Mary, and other Christian idols.

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Yet, you say GOD bless.....so I take it, that you are as Meshak and others are against the Trinity altogether. It is sad, for you blaspheme the only one who can give you salvation. Jesus Christ

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Which Jesus are you referring to, the Christian Everlasting Father Jesus, the Christian Mighty God Jesus, .. or the Christian sun-god Jesus? Because me and my house worship Infinite, the One and Only Possible God, through His son Word who now, having come in the flesh has become our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Not Jesus, not his Apostles, nor his disciples that made up the Church of Christ were Christians, a name they suffered from until they were just about wiped out to make way for the Roman Christian Religion, bearing the white cross and Constantine's sword as a their crosses. And the Lord knows how many Disciples have died by That Cross over the 1,700 years!
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