Author Topic: How many right interpretations are there to scripture? (Read 4898 times)

freelight · « **Reply #26 on:** January 29, 2019, 02:45:46 am »

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 19, 2019, 10:19:04 pm

Quote from: freelight on January 19, 2019, 06:05:38 pm
Quote from: Lori Bolinger on October 05, 2018, 12:48:46 pm
The early church understood that with One God came One Spirit, thus One understanding. So the question posed today is how many right interpretations are there to scripture.

Before we start let me clarify one thing, scripture also talks about what we call disputable matters which are the things not clear which is a different matter.

Interpretations of any text, doctrine, theory, concept or idea can vary. Religious writings are subject to both literal and figurative interpretation and may further differ according to the context in which they are being 'related'. At best, you may consider all logical, tenable, probable and possible 'interpretations' of a given text and translate such in the present time with all the knowledge, wisdom and discernment available, at any given moment. - there are teachings, concepts or practices in scripture that are outdated, obsolete today...or is translated to mean something different in modern times, so a belief such as 'biblical inerrancy' is shaky, since it is the spirit of truth that is guiding us into all truth, and that includes progressive revelation, new dispensations of light, new unfoldings of truth consonant with the time one lives in.

Light itself produces numberless reflections and appearances of colour, just like a diamond has many facets, yet it is made of the same universal light-substance, expressing in various shades, tones and forms. One can apply the basic 'metaphysics' here and figure out the rest

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freelight You said:"At best, you may consider all logical, tenable, probable and possible 'interpretations' of a given text and translate such in the present time with all the knowledge, wisdom and discernment available, at any given moment. - there are teachings, concepts or practices in scripture that are outdated, obsolete today...or is translated to mean something different in modern times,"

WOW,,,that is a mouth full and all of it BULL! Outdated/obsolete.....What about the translated then vs today.

No wonder 95% of the world's churches are in apostasy as the Bible prophesied in that outdated/obsolete/wrongly translated Word of GOD!

If anyone thinks GOD will forgive or agree with anyone who believes in the statements you just made; I am pretty sure they will be wrong. They in reality probably really do not care if they are wrong. To throw GOD's Sovereignty and the most revered possession of GOD (His WORD) to the wind because Mankind has simply out-grew them, Wellllllll, we all know what is coming and what is going to happen who would believe this false Gospel..... Need I say more...

SO SAD!

Blade

My former observations hold

There are many teachings in the OT that even Jews no longer practice or interpret allegorically now, and were only for a people many ages ago. Life advances, and older rituals and belief-systems do grow old and outdated. Of course they do. Life evolves.....'religion' itself has 'evolutional' and 'revelational' forms.....and it just so happens that there is ever 'progressive revelation'.

Only the truth that is eternal, essential, fundamental and living....is what is real and dynamic. Therefore older forms, older wineskins no longer can carry the new wine of the Spirit, so newer vessels must be used to hold the living and present truths.

My observations on all those bible 'versions' out there is the same, until better information comes forth or new revelation, so such views could be changed or updated....until then,....its pretty much 'cherry-picking', among some grandiose assumptions of what 'God's word' is. If indeed 'God' is the source of all love, truth, goodness, life, wisdom,....then...we draw from that Spring itself, by the Spirit that is within and without, which is omnipresent. "the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life". So, we would call your attention to the source of life itself, 'God',...NOT a book! or a collection of book (whatever 'bible' or 'canon' you prefer').

guest24 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 29, 2019, 08:14:46 am »

I think a lot of people confuse translation with meaning. I do not believe it is possible for any one translation to fully capture what God wants us to know through His word. However, that does NOT mean that He doesn't intend for us to know the same truths through a study of His word and our allowing the HS to teach us through that word. And maybe that is why we have so many different translations, so that we are spurred to study and rely on the HS rather than man?!?!

guest8 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 30, 2019, 12:59:01 am »

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on January 29, 2019, 08:14:46 am

I think a lot of people confuse translation with meaning. I do not believe it is possible for any one translation to fully capture what God wants us to know through His word. However, that does NOT mean that He doesn't intend for us to know the same truths through a study of His word and our allowing the HS to teach us through that word. And maybe that is why we have so many different translations, so that we are spurred to study and rely on the HS rather than man?!?!

Lori.... When the Bible (KJV) tells you :"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
(2 TIM 3:16) What does it say to you?

IF you believe in the WORD of GOD, then it should tell you that everything (all 66 chapters) in this Bible are HIS WORDs.

Many versions use the 'Thought for Thought' approach instead of the 'Word for Word' approach to the 'Scripture given by the inspiration of GOD' You probably are saying what is this?

It is the argument of how GOD actually inspired the writers of the 66 books. Since, each writer does give us personality of themselves in the writing, all the newer version follow the 'thought for thought' inspiration.

God gave them the idea or though (big picture) of what He wanted them to say and they wrote it in their own hand.

NOTE: I guess he had to go back and approve each page?

The WORD for WORD part of the argument; GOD gave the writer the exact words to use and while He was at it, HE (knowing the writer better than the writer knew himself) used the words so each writer had his own personality. This type of writing is seen in the KJV only. Even the NKJV changes many phrases, words, etc within its pages.

In Psalm 12:6-7 (KJV), GOD tells us: "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. v7. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

Notice the v7 in the NIV version: "You, LORD, will keep the needy safe and will protect us forever from the wicked,"

Your version (HCSB) :v7.."You, LORD, will guard us; You will protect us from this generation forever."

There is quit a bit of difference here. don't you think? These Version(s) and others verse (7) disregards and does away with the though that GOD will preserve HIS WORD.

What does these three versions tell us if it was the first time we read them? DOUBT in GOD's WORD.... This Satan's game plan. To Place any DOUBT in a persons mind about the WORD of GOD.

Another is "Inerrancy". Since they are not the same or in this case do not even closely resemble each other the results is the Bible is full of errors. which is certainly not the case.

SO, LORI, we have two against one (in this situation) where the newer versions contradict the older version. Which one is true.....for only one can be truly the WORD of GOD.

We are saved through Faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ
(1 Cor 15:1-4)......Yet, how do we get to that belief?

Rom 10:17 (KJV) tells us:"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."

We see here how important the WORD of GOD is.

In fact, John 1:1 :"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Here the WORD is GOD.

Look to NIV version verbiation of this verse:"Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ."

Here the NIV is actually getting rid of the "Word of GOD" .

"through the word about Christ." The word of WHAT? Through the words in the book about Jesus Christ... WHO Wrote them?

Where is it ...Through the WORD of GOD, about Jesus Christ

It is, I will admit the change is very subtle but it is there and will make a big difference in a beginning reader.

I could go on and on as there are some 5,000 to 30,000+ changes changes from the KJV, depending on the version you are looking at.

some things to look at: Lord's Prayer (communion changes, resurrection left out, etc. )

One of my favorites is the Mark 16: 9-20. Most all the rest of the versions (outside of the KJV) have a FOOTNOTE telling the reader the verses 9 - 20 were added at a later time.

Here they are placing doubt about the actual resurrection of
Christ?, His final instructions and His ascension

Thanks to the Gnostics, Westcott and Hort many verses of the Bible were left out.The last verses of Mark 16:9-20 were some of those left out.

Because the KJV was translated from the Textus Receptus, 5,000 Greek manuscripts, etc., it contained the disputed verses of Mark 16:9-20

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Lori, thought I would add that no other Greek Text for any other version of the Holy Bible , except the Greek version of the KJV can do the following. In fact, NO MAN was/is able to do what you are fixing to see. Only by divine direction, is this possible.

Again this in found only in the Greek Text of Mark 16:9-20 of the KJV.

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Mark 9-20 in the KJV has GOD's FINGERPRINT all over it?

Using the Greek Text (is what it was written in!) Notice the Heptadic structure.

there are 175 (7x25) words in Mark 16:9-20.
"an exact multiple of seven"

The above words use a "total vocabulary of 98 different words" or (7x14) "an exact multiple of seven".

The number of letters in Mark 16:9-20 is 533 or (7x79),
"an exact multiple of seven".

The number of vowels in Mark 16:9-20 is 294 or (7 x 42)
"an exact multiple of seven".

The number of consonants is 259 or (7 x 37)
"an exact multiple of seven".

Out of the total WORDs (98) in Mark 16:9-20;
"84 (7 x 12) are found in previous verses of Mark;
14 (7 x 2) are found only in the pages of Mark 16:9-20
42 (7 x 6) are found in the Lord's address (vv.15-18);
56 (7 x 8, eight) are not part of His vocabulary here.
"an exact multiple(s) of seven".

There are 133 word forms in Mark 16:9-20 (7x19),
112 of them occur only once (7 x 16),
21 of them occur more than once (7 x 3),
"an exact multiple of seven".

In the 175 words (7x25) of Mark 16:9-20,
56 (7 X 8, eight) of those words appear in the Lord's address,
and the other 119 words (7 x 17) are in the rest of the verses.
"an exact multiple(s) of seven".

The natural divisions of the passage would be the appearance to Mary, verses 9-11;
His subsequent appearances, verses 12-14;
Christ's discourse, verses 15-18;
and the conclusion in verses 19-20.
We discover that verses 9-11 involve 35 words (7 x 5).
Verses 12-18, 105 (7 x 15) words;
verse 12, 14 (7 x 2) words;
verses 13-15, 35 (7 x 5) words;
verses 16-18, 56 (7 x 8, eight) words.
The conclusion, verses 19-20, contains 35 (7 x 5) words.
"an exact multiple(s) of seven".

The total numerical value of the passage is 103,656 (7 x 14,808).
The value of v.9 is 11,795 (7 x 1,685);
v.10 is 5,418 (7 x 774);
v.11 is 11,795 (7 x 1,685);
vv.12-20, 86,450 (7 x 12,350).
In verse 10, the first word is 98 (7 x 14),
the middle word is 4,529 (7 x 647),
and the last word is 791 (7 x 113).
The value of the total word forms is 89,663 (7 x 12,809).
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Individual words also tell a tale. The Greek word for 'deadly' (v.18) is not found elsewhere in the New Testament. It has a numeric value of 581 (7 x 83), and is preceded in the vocabulary list by 42 (6 x 7) words, and in the passage itself by 126 (7 x 18) words.

This all is among the legendary results of the work by Dr. Ivan Panin. (See inset below). In fact, he identified 75 heptadic features of the last 12 verses of Mark. Only 34 heptadic features have been highlighted here.

All "" exact multiple(s) of seven"."

If a supercomputer could be programmed to attempt 400 million attempts/second, working day and night, it would take one million of them over four million years to identify a combination of 734 heptadic features by unaided chance alone.

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References

1.Codex Alexandrinus: a 5th century manuscript containing the entire New Testament, brought to England about 1630. Codex Siniaticus, discovered in St. Catherine's Monastery at (the traditional) Mt. Sinai, has been dated around 350 A.D. Codex Vaticanus, dated about 325 A.D., had been in the Vatican Library since at least 1481, but was not made available to scholars until the middle of the 19th century.

2. 1 John 1:1, 4:2,3; et al.

3. Koinonia House, see our Briefing Package, How We Got Our Bible & The Last twelve Verse of Mark, from which parts of this article was excerpted.

4. Previous articles on Matt 1:1-11in this News Journal, as well as our recent book, Cosmic Codes: Hidden Messages From the Edge of Eternity, etc.

5. Actually, it can be mathematically argued that it is 91. p = 1/7*[(n-1)/(7n-1)]*[(n-2)/(7n-2)]* . . . *[1/(7n-(n-1))] is far more restrictive than the assumptions here.

6. Ivan Panin, The Last Twelve Verses of Mark, B-761, Bible Numerics, Suite 206, 121 Willowdale Ave., Willowdale, Ontario, M2N 6A3, (406) 221-7424.

7. 734 = ~5.4 x 1028 tries needed. There are 3.15 x 107 sec/year; at 4 x 108 tries/sec, it would take about 4.3 x 1012 computer-years.

8. Psalm 138:2. I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Have a good evening Lori and Thank you for your thoughts.

Blade

guest24 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 30, 2019, 09:42:45 am »

Blade...I have heard all of this before but I would like to point out to you that unless you are reading the original ancient Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic, there is not "perfect" translation. That is why I focus on the word STUDY rather than the individual differences in translations.

For example, over the years I have found many "poorly translated" things in the KJV...which by the way I grew up with, memorized from and love. So, no, the KJV is no different than the other translations (excluding some obviously false ones) in getting things out of order and wrong sometimes. If we stop relying on our favorite translation and start relying on good study of the word we might be surprised at all the things that God is wanting to tell us that we are missing because we rely on man not the HS to tell us what He wants to communicate to us.

Just my two cents.

Firestarter · « **Reply #30 on:** January 30, 2019, 10:10:26 am »

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 30, 2019, 12:59:01 am

IF you believe in the WORD of GOD, then it should tell you that everything (all 66 chapters) in this Bible are HIS WORDs.

Many versions use the 'Thought for Thought' approach instead of the 'Word for Word' approach to the 'Scripture given by the inspiration of GOD' You probably are saying what is this?

It is the argument of how GOD actually inspired the writers of the 66 books. Since, each writer does give us personality of themselves in the writing, all the newer version follow the 'thought for thought' inspiration.

God gave them the idea or though (big picture) of what He wanted them to say and they wrote it in their own hand.

NOTE: I guess he had to go back and approve each page?

The WORD for WORD part of the argument; GOD gave the writer the exact words to use and while He was at it, HE (knowing the writer better than the writer knew himself) used the words so each writer had his own personality. This type of writing is seen in the KJV only. Even the NKJV changes many phrases, words, etc within its pages.

Maybe you don´t even know any other language than English?!?

I once had Latin at school (2 years). The idea that you could translate a Latin text "word for word" is preposterous.
In Latin the "naamvallen" (I don´t know the English word for this), like in German, actually define in what order, context a translated Latin text could be placed.

English, Dutch and German are actually quite similar. That Latin (in which the New Testament was originally written) is "different", more similar to Italian, Spanish and French, also means that what your saying is ridiculous...
I can imagine that ancient Hebrew (in which the Old Testament was originally written), similar to Arabic?, is even further away from English!

If you only try to translate a text you should be able to see the error in your view.
If you have never really translated any text, obviously you don´t know what your babbling about!

guest8 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 30, 2019, 05:50:30 pm »

Quote from: Firestarter on January 30, 2019, 10:10:26 am

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 30, 2019, 12:59:01 am
IF you believe in the WORD of GOD, then it should tell you that everything (all 66 chapters) in this Bible are HIS WORDs.

Many versions use the 'Thought for Thought' approach instead of the 'Word for Word' approach to the 'Scripture given by the inspiration of GOD' You probably are saying what is this?

It is the argument of how GOD actually inspired the writers of the 66 books. Since, each writer does give us personality of themselves in the writing, all the newer version follow the 'thought for thought' inspiration.

God gave them the idea or though (big picture) of what He wanted them to say and they wrote it in their own hand.

NOTE: I guess he had to go back and approve each page?

The WORD for WORD part of the argument; GOD gave the writer the exact words to use and while He was at it, HE (knowing the writer better than the writer knew himself) used the words so each writer had his own personality. This type of writing is seen in the KJV only. Even the NKJV changes many phrases, words, etc within its pages.
Maybe you don´t even know any other language than English?!?

I once had Latin at school (2 years). The idea that you could translate a Latin text "word for word" is preposterous.
In Latin the "naamvallen" (I don´t know the English word for this), like in German, actually define in what order, context a translated Latin text could be placed.

English, Dutch and German are actually quite similar. That Latin (in which the New Testament was originally written) is "different", more similar to Italian, Spanish and French, also means that what your saying is ridiculous...
I can imagine that ancient Hebrew (in which the Old Testament was originally written), similar to Arabic?, is even further away from English!

If you only try to translate a text you should be able to see the error in your view.
If you have never really translated any text, obviously you don´t know what your babbling about!

Firestarter.... I do know that I do NOT and can NOT know how the language was used at that time even if I translated the words or phrases.

As today's complaint by many, because the meaning of the words then do not mean that now..... In my younger days: a Hoe was used in the vegetable Garden and today a Hoe,,,,,is weeeell......

The WORD of GOD was written most likely in the first language on earth (Hebrew). 300 years before Jesus Christ was crucified, the Hebrew Manuscripts (available at that time) was translated to the Greek language in use by the Grecian Empire and the result became the Septuagint LXX.

The New Testament was written by many, in the Greek Language of the Day. Even though the Roman Empire was in charge, the prevailing language of the day (during the time of Jesus Christ) was Koinia Greek. Later around 135 AD, Latin became the official language of the area.
Pilot, wrote "The King of the Jews" in Hebrew, Greek and Latin.

Why was there so many manuscripts. There were no publishers back then so Students of the Bible had to memorize it word for word. The teacher would give them a phrase of words and repeat it over and over as one scholar put it: Teacher, teacher, teacher, student, student, student.

When the KJV version was written, there were still close to 5,000 manuscripts that varied only a small percent. That small percent was made even smaller when it was found out the Names of People were the cause of most descripencies between these 5,000 manuscripts. Then the Dead Sea scrolls, around 50,000, of them became available and agreed with the other 5,000 manuscripts and the Textus Receptus. Thus, we have the KJV written 400 years ago and has not changed aside from the changes made translating 'old english' to present english. Somewhere around 100,000 words or phrases.

What you are suggesting is that I Blaspheme GOD by changing His word thus shouting, 'HE GOT them WRONG and did not have the power to keep MAN and his GLORY from CHANGING THEM?'

God's authority vs, Man's Authority.

I choose GOD and His authority always! I would suggest you do to?

Blade

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Firestarter · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2019, 11:38:17 am »

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 30, 2019, 05:50:30 pm

Firestarter.... I do know that I do NOT and can NOT know how the language was used at that time even if I translated the words or phrases.

You seem to be missing your own point...
You claim that only a “word for word” translation of the Bible is allowable, but this is simply impossible!

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 30, 2019, 05:50:30 pm

The WORD of GOD was written most likely in the first language on earth (Hebrew). 300 years before Jesus Christ was crucified, the Hebrew Manuscripts (available at that time) was translated to the Greek language in use by the Grecian Empire and the result became the Septuagint LXX.

You're also wrong about Hebrew being the first language on earth.
According to the following the oldest written languages, before Hebrew, are.

Sumerian (3500 BC)
Egyptian (3300 BC)
Mycenaean Greek (1600 BC)
http://www.oldest.org/culture/written-languages/

I think that Chinese (which is written in characters instead of letters) should have been in the previous top 3.
The oldest Chinese characters found are from about 3000 BC: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10173291/5000-year-old-Chinese-characters-discovered.html

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 30, 2019, 05:50:30 pm

The New Testament was written by many, in the Greek Language of the Day. Even though the Roman Empire was in charge, the prevailing language of the day (during the time of Jesus Christ) was Koinia Greek. Later around 135 AD, Latin became the official language of the area.
Pilot, wrote "The King of the Jews" in Hebrew, Greek and Latin.

I'm no expert at the Bible by a long shot, but I thought that the New Testament was originally published in Latin. Was I wrong; and was it really Greek?

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 30, 2019, 05:50:30 pm

What you are suggesting is that I Blaspheme GOD by changing His word thus shouting, 'HE GOT them WRONG and did not have the power to keep MAN and his GLORY from CHANGING THEM?'
God's authority vs, Man's Authority.

I choose GOD and His authority always! I would suggest you do to?

No you obviously don't choose the teachingf of Jesus! I think that you use a double tongue to defend the scribes that Jesus despised so very much.
You regularly contradict yourself in defence of ideas that aren't true. It looks to me that you're lying to yourself because you're afraid to see the "beam" in front of your head.

guest24 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 31, 2019, 12:49:11 pm »

The bible was written in three different lang. ancient Hebrew, ancient Greek, and Aramaic...

patrick jane · « **Reply #34 on:** January 31, 2019, 01:42:12 pm »

Quote from: Firestarter on January 31, 2019, 11:38:17 am

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 30, 2019, 05:50:30 pm
Firestarter.... I do know that I do NOT and can NOT know how the language was used at that time even if I translated the words or phrases.
You seem to be missing your own point...
You claim that only a “word for word” translation of the Bible is allowable, but this is simply impossible!

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 30, 2019, 05:50:30 pm
The WORD of GOD was written most likely in the first language on earth (Hebrew). 300 years before Jesus Christ was crucified, the Hebrew Manuscripts (available at that time) was translated to the Greek language in use by the Grecian Empire and the result became the Septuagint LXX.
You're also wrong about Hebrew being the first language on earth.
According to the following the oldest written languages, before Hebrew, are.

Sumerian (3500 BC)
Egyptian (3300 BC)
Mycenaean Greek (1600 BC)
http://www.oldest.org/culture/written-languages/

I think that Chinese (which is written in characters instead of letters) should have been in the previous top 3.
The oldest Chinese characters found are from about 3000 BC: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10173291/5000-year-old-Chinese-characters-discovered.html

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 30, 2019, 05:50:30 pm
The New Testament was written by many, in the Greek Language of the Day. Even though the Roman Empire was in charge, the prevailing language of the day (during the time of Jesus Christ) was Koinia Greek. Later around 135 AD, Latin became the official language of the area.
Pilot, wrote "The King of the Jews" in Hebrew, Greek and Latin.
I'm no expert at the Bible by a long shot, but I thought that the New Testament was originally published in Latin. Was I wrong; and was it really Greek?

Quote from: Bladerunner on January 30, 2019, 05:50:30 pm
What you are suggesting is that I Blaspheme GOD by changing His word thus shouting, 'HE GOT them WRONG and did not have the power to keep MAN and his GLORY from CHANGING THEM?'
God's authority vs, Man's Authority.

I choose GOD and His authority always! I would suggest you do to?
No you obviously don't choose the teachingf of Jesus! I think that you use a double tongue to defend the scribes that Jesus despised so very much.
You regularly contradict yourself in defence of ideas that aren't true. It looks to me that you're lying to yourself because you're afraid to see the "beam" in front of your head.

Firestarter, I see your problem. You believe historians about the Sumerians and these guys and those guys as if it were proven fact. Here you are questioning Sandy Hook but you believe scince and the **** up history you were taught in school. Gimme a break pal.

guest24 · « **Reply #35 on:** February 01, 2019, 10:27:31 am »

So I have a serious question for all the KJV only people.

What about all whose native lang. is not English? What is their choice? When Brian's family was in Nigeria, there was a man that was gifted by God in lang. and worked miracles in translating scripture into the native lang. of the people...is that a poor translation because it is not KJV?

patrick jane · « **Reply #36 on:** February 01, 2019, 10:55:20 am »

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on February 01, 2019, 10:27:31 am

So I have a serious question for all the KJV only people.

What about all whose native lang. is not English? What is their choice? When Brian's family was in Nigeria, there was a man that was gifted by God in lang. and worked miracles in translating scripture into the native lang. of the people...is that a poor translation because it is not KJV?

NO it's not a poor translation imo, because it is done to spread the gospel. I think the KJV is better to study and read with but other versions are ok.

Firestarter · « **Reply #37 on:** February 01, 2019, 11:34:02 am »

Quote from: patrick jane on January 31, 2019, 01:42:12 pm

Firestarter, I see your problem. You believe historians about the Sumerians and these guys and those guys as if it were proven fact. Here you are questioning Sandy Hook but you believe scince and the **** up history you were taught in school. Gimme a break pal.

You don´t have a clue what I´m about.

You´re the one believing in some BS Roman council that pronounced the Bible the Word of God.
Do you have any reason to think that God would need to write a book for stupid humans crawling earth?

You seem to post whatever Youtube video you can find, including the most ridiculous nonsense and are pushing conspiracy stories without checking facts.
Worst of all you support a mass murderer like Donald Trump (a good friend of the crooked Clintons): https://3169.createaforum.com/firestarter-on-fire/yemen-the-ignored-genocide/

patrick jane · « **Reply #38 on:** February 01, 2019, 01:10:43 pm »

Quote from: Firestarter on February 01, 2019, 11:34:02 am

Quote from: patrick jane on January 31, 2019, 01:42:12 pm
Firestarter, I see your problem. You believe historians about the Sumerians and these guys and those guys as if it were proven fact. Here you are questioning Sandy Hook but you believe scince and the **** up history you were taught in school. Gimme a break pal.
You don´t have a clue what I´m about.

You´re the one believing in some BS Roman council that pronounced the Bible the Word of God.
Do you have any reason to think that God would need to write a book for stupid humans crawling earth?

You seem to post whatever Youtube video you can find, including the most ridiculous nonsense and are pushing conspiracy stories without checking facts.
Worst of all you support a mass murderer like Donald Trump (a good friend of the crooked Clintons): https://3169.createaforum.com/firestarter-on-fire/yemen-the-ignored-genocide/

I see that you have formed your own twisted opinions again. You seem to think you know me better than I know you, and time will tell. I worked hard and continue to work hard and I even pay money to work hard to wake people up and spread the truth as I understand it. I can be wrong no doubt. I could be wrong about everything I think I know. Therein lies the difference between you and I. You strike me as a person who thinks he knows a lot more than he does.

I don't believe bullshit and I don't post any YT video I find, ****. If you've watched any you would know. Are some questionable on the assertions they make? Likely but yours are too. I heard about st. jimmy from LRF. Lose the attitude here if you can, we can learn and grow and help each other instead of being jackasses.

I facilitate the truth and spread the truth as much as I can. I do it for free because I have the time and feel the need. It only takes one story, one piece of compelling information and one alleged fact to be unproven to wake a person up. I was awakened at the age of 13 by a book called "Contract On America" by Jeffrey Furst on the JFK assassination. I knew then that the world was a lie. So I love having you here and you produce good content but please don't play the victim or pull on the guilt strings of others when you don't do **** for the world yourself.

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