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How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
« on: August 04, 2018, 08:30:40 pm »
I was wondering this about others today. Iím Closest to an open view because I chose to try and strip as close to bare bones as I could when I came back to God. I wanted to learn as if I knew nothing except basic morality, and the Love of God through Christ and the Spirit. Because everything the local churches had been (while I ran from God) was more biased toward politics and focusing more on condemnation of others, than it was about showing others how to come to Christ. Iím really in the beginning stages of learning and most of my study is on my own while I pray to understand necessary passages in Godís own time. I also study on another forum that I like because there are a variety of different viewpoints presented and I feel that it reminds me to cut my own bias and assumptions from my studies.



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I was wondering this about others today. Iím Closest to an open view because I chose to try and strip as close to bare bones as I could when I came back to God. I wanted to learn as if I knew nothing except basic morality, and the Love of God through Christ and the Spirit. Because everything the local churches had been (while I ran from God) was more biased toward politics and focusing more on condemnation of others, than it was about showing others how to come to Christ. Iím really in the beginning stages of learning and most of my study is on my own while I pray to understand necessary passages in Godís own time. I also study on another forum that I like because there are a variety of different viewpoints presented and I feel that it reminds me to cut my own bias and assumptions from my studies.
I imagine many people don't have one, Jon. I will share mine shortly.
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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Lol, I didnít think about that PJ. I forgot itís a fairly new place lol.
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I wasn't correcting you just pointing out. Even at Theology Forums, our home forum, I've seen many people put "I dunno" or none or other things. For me, I was in limbo for decades, just all about me me me and what's in it for me. So, as a small kid, I knew and believed in Jesus Christ as my Saviour and I was in Catholic school until the middle of fourth grade.

Transferring to Public School I was far ahead of the new fellow students in many subjects. I never completed my "confirmation" as a young Catholic but for the next 30 years I would tell people I'm Catholic while only have a 4th grade understanding. Although schools in that system were further ahead I tested at a 9th grade vocabulary in 3rd grade.

BTW, this forum is kinda fun when you start getting used to it. You guys are all Mods with lots of permissions.

So then, comes Junior High and High School and all I did was smoke pot. I didn't want girlfriends but had some anyway. All I wanted was weed and my friends to cruise with and hang out with. I never finished my Junior year and got a GED. One full year of college and then stayed in the workforce and necer went back to school. Still could I suppose.

Then I got a NIV Study Bible for my birthday from my cousin Sharon and browsed through it from time to time for 3 years. I never got into the NIV but I really did enjoy reading it and having all of the study notes and commentary. I started to read the commentaries more than the scriptures. Relying on the NIV interpretations. It didn't feel right.

In about 2011 a let a friend stay with me who had just survived the Joplin MO tornado that destroyed everything including his place. He stayed for 3 months and did things for me like stain the whole deck in one day by himself, 2 or 3 coats. Surprised me and I felt guilty but thankful. My best friend. Perhaps he left the small KJV Red letter NT Bible there for me. It was in the open and he took everything else.

I let that sit for 2 years and never really opened it, just looked at it. Out of maybe boredom or frustration with my spiritual state I opened it. It was easy to read because it red letter and small. Leather and comfortable to hold. I felt really good reading it and the words came alive. I understood what I was reading. After Matthew Mark Luke and John a few times I read Acts a few times. Then Romans blew me away until I got to 1 & Corinthians and Ephesians, Philippians Galatians Thessalonians, Timothy !!!

I couldn't believe what I was understanding. I was wrong for so long. Then I decide to get on the internet and I was a novice.
I think I Googled - deep thought - and some theology came up. I saw theologyonline and joined. At this point I was a huge follower of Paul's epistles and the revelations given to him by the risen ascended Lord Jesus Christ.

I studied with the MAD gang and over 3 years there I firmly established my theology and doctrine. I know very little and learn everyday. But the wisdom and spiritual understanding I've been given by God is enough for me to know that I am saved and sealed with that holy spirit of promise, I have an inheritance and I'm a purchased possession, redeemed. Believing and trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ seals us. We are saved by the death, the blood of Christ. By grace, which was revealed to Paul first.

That's where the debate comes with my theology because most want to follow Peter. I don't mind debating but I like reading and talking about it much more.







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I knew you werenít trying to correct me PJ lol, I think I got used to everybody being set in their ways over there. This topic would probably get more hits over there too, but it doesnít really seem to fit the mood over there right now. I never knew that you had any Catholic experience, all iíve Ever been around is Baptists and agnostics lol. But yeah, I took up sort of a primitive version of Open View because, it felt the closest to studying like I had never heard anyoneís influence but God. Though, I still kept a belief in some basic things because, I guess they just feel right and honest and true, if anyone gets what I mean.
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I was wondering this about others today. Iím Closest to an open view because I chose to try and strip as close to bare bones as I could when I came back to God. I wanted to learn as if I knew nothing except basic morality, and the Love of God through Christ and the Spirit. Because everything the local churches had been (while I ran from God) was more biased toward politics and focusing more on condemnation of others, than it was about showing others how to come to Christ. Iím really in the beginning stages of learning and most of my study is on my own while I pray to understand necessary passages in Godís own time. I also study on another forum that I like because there are a variety of different viewpoints presented and I feel that it reminds me to cut my own bias and assumptions from my studies.
Is that other forum the  great and outstanding Theology Forums? If it's another that's great too. You're still young and my understanding didn't kick in until later on but that was my fault for ignoring God. You have the time and the desire to learn and you have a big brain ("check out the big brain on Brad").

You are a blessing to us at theologyforums.com - Everybody is.


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PJ what is MAD?  I saw you say that you spent three years there.
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PJ what is MAD?  I saw you say that you spent three years there.
It stand for Mid Acts Dispensation. Theologians are scared of us because we rightly divide the word of truth. Hah !!! Tambora is MAD and Crow and Bladerunner and a couple others - Many at TOL are and that's where I was fore 3.5 years before coming here. It's called Theology Online and they started in 1997. It simply consists of knowing that several things changed in the middle of the book of Acts, a very difficult book to know.

I have the thread here and at TF that teaches Paul's doctrine which the only doctrine by which we are saved. The Bible says that, not me. The thread is called Salvation, Doctrine and Rightly Dividing and I post lessons from my favorite pastor at a grace bible study church in Indiana. MADs rarely lose a debate on scripture. You could read one post a day and learn more than me trying to explain.

Same with FE, start on page one of the 80 page thread on TF or start fresh on the thread here. You don't have to bear down and study like for a test, but it will all start to sink in. If not, that's cool too. You may not be interested or ready or both.




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I love to Study and Paul most certainly is the Apostle for us gentiles :] I agree, I will look into this deeper.   
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I was wondering this about others today. Iím Closest to an open view because I chose to try and strip as close to bare bones as I could when I came back to God. I wanted to learn as if I knew nothing except basic morality, and the Love of God through Christ and the Spirit. Because everything the local churches had been (while I ran from God) was more biased toward politics and focusing more on condemnation of others, than it was about showing others how to come to Christ. Iím really in the beginning stages of learning and most of my study is on my own while I pray to understand necessary passages in Godís own time. I also study on another forum that I like because there are a variety of different viewpoints presented and I feel that it reminds me to cut my own bias and assumptions from my studies.
Sorry, Jon I never really replied to your OP. I have always had a bad taste in my mouth for certain churches and I've been to many. Catholic masses are beautiful and organized and show reverence for God. But I disagree strongly with catholic church history and historic leaders and the Jesuits. I thought I was Pentecostal for a while but couldn't get into the charismatic fakery.

Most churches have politics and as the end days are foretold, more will seek smaller groups of fellowship. I do not feel closer to God by going to place with a large group of people dressing up or even not dressing up , but there is no clear message from the proceedings or the pastor. I get much more and feel closer to Jesus Christ when I share scriptures and thought of things above with friends I can trust in the comfort and safety of my home and the computer. I get much more from reading a few chapters of a book in the Bible than I do from most sermons.

Don't get me wrong, I hear great sermons in church but I will not put up with the hypocrisy and the distractions. One can only really grow in Christ by reading and studying bit by bit and forming your own theology, nobody else's formula. Spiritual discernment and understanding will come to all, I believe, if they seek earnestly with an unselfish heart.






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No worries Peej, actually your answer is pretty much dead on to my own thoughts. I loved Jesus, but I started seeing the general picture the way most outsiders did of the churches and other Christians, I kind of saw myself becoming that and I hated it. I came back to God despite judgemental and self righteous Christians and churches. I eventually started to see that I am not really the only one that has noticed how far Christianity has fallen. I hated church and other Christians for a long time, I still get annoyed, but I really find comfort in the fact that the stereotypes donít represent all of us and iím Happy to have made the friends and family iím Making nowadays.
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Let's ramble a little, I'm 67 so I'm entitled.

I was saved by means of an [American] gospel magazine, in my own home...but it was dramatic. One moment I did not know God, the next I did, one moment I had no concept of the Holy Spirit, the next I was overflowing with His joy and power, one moment I did not understand a jot of the bible, the next it was an open book to me.

I read the KJV through 3 times in the first 18 months...then read the RSV and the Living through. I still read at least a chapter a day, sometimes more....above all else I am a bible lover, I hate to see the twistings that go on, that's my bible, the much loved word of my Lord.

I am finicky as heck about which theologians or teachers I listen to, Corrie ten Boom and T.L.Osborn whose magazine it was through who I was saved settled me in my faith....I moved away from T.L.'s faith based theology [as indeed HE did in his later years] toward the more stable grace teachings of C.H.Spurgeon...though I rejects much of Calvinism. I love Joseph Prince.

I believe the full Pentecostal whack because I got the full Pentecostal whack...my great sadness has been that until quite recently the Pentecostals themselves had fallen far behind and so fellowship was difficult...I sat at the back of large assemblies longing for revival.

I have stood with a few ministers in establishing little evangelical enterprises and have seen souls saved and lives turned around...great miracles. I rarely do the upfront stuff, but I am known in certain circles...have preached in the open air and seen souls saved, preached in London's Hyde Park. :)

There I rambled a little...there is but a scratching on the surface of all that God has done for me...I love Him and trust Him come what may.   
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