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Quote from: Lori Bolinger on April 15, 2020, 07:28:59 am

Interesting, so you believe that the tabernacle never existed and neither did the ark of the covenant....how strange, I understand scripture to tell us that they really did exist and that they are both literal and symbolic....Hebrews 8:5; Hebrews 9:9-12...as to how they knew what cherubim looked like, I have thought of three possibles...1. God showed them to Moses and Moses drew them for the craftsmen...which would be a feat since they are both on the curtains and on the ark of the covenant.  2. God gave all the craftsmen the same vision and then took a rebellious people and convinced them all that the craftsmen indeed had it right...which also seems far fetched though possible, I mean they were a rebellious people and rebellion usually comes in the form of pride and wanting things their own way.  Finally, 3. the people of the day actually saw and interacted with cherubim which seems the most likely given that angels were still revealing themselves as necessary

No.

What you state is not what I believe.  Unless I say it as you state it, don't state that I said it.  Deal?

If you want to quote what I say, by all means- quote it.  But don't use your own words and ideas and then attribute to me, and I will do exactly the same for you.

Yes, the tabernacle Moses built was a real tent and it was made exactly to the specs that Moses was given and told to make it, just as the ark was made in exactly the manner that it was intended.  These were physical things made in the likeness of spiritual things.  You say- literal, and symbolic... yes- I prefer to say literal and conceptual. The difference is relatively subtle.  I'll give you an example-

If I present to you an image-- it can remind you of something else in that it is 'symbolic' of that something else, but the conceptual meaning can be much broader and deeper than the symbolism alone hearkens to.

Here's an image--- symbolically- what?



[/quote]I'm sorry you saw my trying to apply your words to the topic at hand as me misrepresenting you...not sure how to avoid that though since all any of us has is comprehension based on the discussion at hand...when someone changes the topic without warning, it isn't the fault of the reader.

Now back to topic...the scriptures I posted talk about the symbolism....you can use concept if you want but I prefer scriptures understanding.

So, how do you think the people of the day knew what a cherubim looked like.

One of several reasons I am asking what people think about this is that I am writing a book that focuses some on angels (hard to explain in this short post) and as I was talking to a family member about the book and the nephilim she said that that makes  it hard to believe what scripture says.  As I thought about it, I came to the conclusion that there is much about the "earliest days" that we don't know and if we did, it might change some of our objections to things we don't understand...for example, if the people of Moses day were still seeing cherubim, then it would not be a stretch at all to understand that the nephilim could have been real.  That being said, I believe that many things in scripture have both a literal and a figurative or spiritual meaning....it isn't usually one or the other but often times both.