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How did Christ Love the Church?
« on: December 13, 2018, 11:22:54 am »
I am working on editing a study I did on marriage relationship....starting with Ephesians 5.  There is so much there that should inform us as to the roles of men and woman but I would like to start with how Christ Loved the Church.



Previously when I have asked this question all I get is that He Loved her unto death....but there is so much more to how Christ Loved the Church.  The study looks at Isaiah 53 to see how Christ Loved the Church but there is more even than that so I am opening this discussion to anything you want to offer about how Christ Loved the Church AND gave His life for her. 

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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2018, 01:41:27 pm »
I am working on editing a study I did on marriage relationship....starting with Ephesians 5.  There is so much there that should inform us as to the roles of men and woman but I would like to start with how Christ Loved the Church.



Previously when I have asked this question all I get is that He Loved her unto death....but there is so much more to how Christ Loved the Church.  The study looks at Isaiah 53 to see how Christ Loved the Church but there is more even than that so I am opening this discussion to anything you want to offer about how Christ Loved the Church AND gave His life for her.
Is the Church the Bride of Christ? I really need to study this.
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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2018, 10:22:34 am »
I am working on editing a study I did on marriage relationship....starting with Ephesians 5.  There is so much there that should inform us as to the roles of men and woman but I would like to start with how Christ Loved the Church.



Previously when I have asked this question all I get is that He Loved her unto death....but there is so much more to how Christ Loved the Church.  The study looks at Isaiah 53 to see how Christ Loved the Church but there is more even than that so I am opening this discussion to anything you want to offer about how Christ Loved the Church AND gave His life for her.
Is the Church the Bride of Christ? I really need to study this.
technically there are three brides mentioned...I don't believe that means Christ has three brides....1. is Israel, 2. the Church and 3. the New Jerusalem....the Church is sometimes known as the true Israel...so I think that is not a stretch at all.  The New Jerusalem is basically the heavenly city so again not hard to imagine that the Church is being called the Bride of Christ here as well.

In the other thread you mentioned that Christ Loved the Church/Bride with preparation.

It is easy to add to that humility, endurance, etc. if we look at Isaiah 53
As the Cornerstone, He Loves the Bride with a foundation for which we can build
There are tons of things I can add here but I was hoping to see what others would list.
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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2018, 06:21:27 pm »
1 John 5 King James Version (KJV)

1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2018, 09:30:10 am »
Lots here...the one's I am picking out are....

In Biblical times, the Bride was waiting for the groom to prepare their home...so Christ Loves us with preparation.
I also see equipping....I'm not sure how many people understand that because of Christ's equipping, we are without excuse.
I also see forgiveness....do you see any I missed in this passage?
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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2018, 10:31:18 am »
Lots here...the one's I am picking out are....

In Biblical times, the Bride was waiting for the groom to prepare their home...so Christ Loves us with preparation.
I also see equipping....I'm not sure how many people understand that because of Christ's equipping, we are without excuse.
I also see forgiveness....do you see any I missed in this passage?
Yeah, those verses don't really speak to Christ's love for the church but I felt like posting them.  ;D
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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2018, 11:04:16 am »
I'm afraid I'm missing something important...
The Christian Church was founded almost 300 years after "Jesus Christ" was executed. So "how" could he love the church at all?

That's besides that I believe that if Jesus of Nazareth would see the modern day worshipping ceremonies  by people that call themselves "Christians" in his honour, he would call out most of them (save perhaps some poor homeless people with nobody to turn to) as hypocrites.

"Christians" seem to be happy that Jesus was murdered by a corrupt legal system, designed to protect the big criminals. When "Christians" walk around with the cross that looks like they're celebrating his execution.

Sometimes "Christians" tell me that I should be happy that Jesus died for our sins...
I think it was an evil act to murder him, and am certainly not "happy" about this!
How would Jesus "judge" Christians who celebrate his exection in this way?

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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2018, 11:16:39 am »
I'm afraid I'm missing something important...
The Christian Church was founded almost 300 years after "Jesus Christ" was executed. So "how" could he love the church at all?

That's besides that I believe that if Jesus of Nazareth would see the modern day worshipping ceremonies  by people that call themselves "Christians" in his honour, he would call out most of them (save perhaps some poor homeless people with nobody to turn to) as hypocrites.

"Christians" seem to be happy that Jesus was murdered by a corrupt legal system, designed to protect the big criminals. When "Christians" walk around with the cross that looks like they're celebrating his execution.

Sometimes "Christians" tell me that I should be happy that Jesus died for our sins...
I think it was an evil act to murder him, and am certainly not "happy" about this!
How would Jesus "judge" Christians who celebrate his exection in this way?
Lot's of things to talk about here but let's start with Jesus giving His life willingly, no one took it from Him....that is important to understand.

As to worshipping the cross, way to many people go to the cross and stop there which is horrifying if you understand the totality of scripture.

As to how Christ Loved the Church start by looking at Isaiah 53
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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2018, 11:18:57 am »
I'm afraid I'm missing something important...
The Christian Church was founded almost 300 years after "Jesus Christ" was executed. So "how" could he love the church at all?

That's besides that I believe that if Jesus of Nazareth would see the modern day worshipping ceremonies  by people that call themselves "Christians" in his honour, he would call out most of them (save perhaps some poor homeless people with nobody to turn to) as hypocrites.

"Christians" seem to be happy that Jesus was murdered by a corrupt legal system, designed to protect the big criminals. When "Christians" walk around with the cross that looks like they're celebrating his execution.

Sometimes "Christians" tell me that I should be happy that Jesus died for our sins...
I think it was an evil act to murder him, and am certainly not "happy" about this!
How would Jesus "judge" Christians who celebrate his exection in this way?
You have a fairly typical warped view of Christianity. It's because you're ignorant of what saith the scriptures. The "Church" is the Body Of Christ. One body, many members. The BOC is the church and Christ is the Head. The BOC, the Church, started right after Jesus Christ ascended to heaven. When Christ came to Paul on the road to Damascus He revealed hidden information to Paul and continued to give revelations to Paul until Paul's execution. Paul wrote 70% of the New Testament. The New creature is the Church the Body Of Christ and this was kept secret since the world bega. Start with the book of Romans and read through to Philemon. That is exactly what Christianity is. Read Paul's letters or remain ignorant all your life.



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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2018, 10:33:05 am »
Lot's of things to talk about here but let's start with Jesus giving His life willingly, no one took it from Him....that is important to understand.
As far as I can tell he didn't gave his life "willingly". He didn't turn himself in. He was basically running from being murdered. According to the New Testament it was Judas who turned him in.
If I remember correctly, Jesus predicted that he would be executed and told his disciples NOT to fight.
Once a Jewish woman told me that "Jesus" isn't even His name...


As to worshipping the cross, way to many people go to the cross and stop there which is horrifying if you understand the totality of scripture.
To me that is quite horrifying.
There are also sections from the Tanach that horrify me...

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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2018, 10:35:12 am »
Paul wrote 70% of the New Testament. The New creature is the Church the Body Of Christ and this was kept secret since the world bega. Start with the book of Romans and read through to Philemon. That is exactly what Christianity is. Read Paul's letters or remain ignorant all your life.
I guess that you want to remain "ignorant" of the truth...

The Tanach (that is often called the Old Testament or Torah) has nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus wasn’t a follower of anybody or anything.
All organised religion – including “science” – is meant for mind-control. The church is against everything Jesus stood for.

The New Testament and “Church” were written and founded almost 300 years after Jesus was murdered by the Romans (that ruled Israel at the time Jesus was executed). It was the Council of Nicaea that officially recognised the New Testament as being written by God in 325 AD.
Ironically the Church was founded and Bible compiled on the orders of Mithras worshipping Roman Emperor Constantine. The official story is that Emperor Constantine (Emperor 306-337 AD) converted from Mithraism to Christianity on the eve of a battle in 312 AD.

At least until 323 AD, his coins were inscribed with: “SOL INVICTO COMITI” (TO MY COMPANION THE INVINCIBLE SUN) and showed Sol.


Mithras was a God born from a virgin mother who died on a cross at Easter. Mithraists were baptised and the sign of the cross was made on the foreheads of all converts. The Romans had festivities on 25 December for Sol invictus (invincible sun); some say that Mithras was the sun god born on 25 December, this explains the church service on “Sunday”.

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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2018, 12:41:27 pm »
Lot's of things to talk about here but let's start with Jesus giving His life willingly, no one took it from Him....that is important to understand.
As far as I can tell he didn't gave his life "willingly". He didn't turn himself in. He was basically running from being murdered. According to the New Testament it was Judas who turned him in.
If I remember correctly, Jesus predicted that he would be executed and told his disciples NOT to fight.
Once a Jewish woman told me that "Jesus" isn't even His name...
how many times in scripture did He just "slip" away?  He gave His life willingly, make no mistake.  As to the Jewish woman...Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah so there is that.
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As to worshipping the cross, way to many people go to the cross and stop there which is horrifying if you understand the totality of scripture.
To me that is quite horrifying.
There are also sections from the Tanach that horrify me...
I would say disturbing but not horrifying, horrifying would be to die without Christ.
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Re: How did Christ Love the Church?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2018, 12:43:25 pm »
Paul wrote 70% of the New Testament. The New creature is the Church the Body Of Christ and this was kept secret since the world bega. Start with the book of Romans and read through to Philemon. That is exactly what Christianity is. Read Paul's letters or remain ignorant all your life.
I guess that you want to remain "ignorant" of the truth...

The Tanach (that is often called the Old Testament or Torah) has nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus wasn’t a follower of anybody or anything.
All organised religion – including “science” – is meant for mind-control. The church is against everything Jesus stood for.

The New Testament and “Church” were written and founded almost 300 years after Jesus was murdered by the Romans (that ruled Israel at the time Jesus was executed). It was the Council of Nicaea that officially recognised the New Testament as being written by God in 325 AD.
Ironically the Church was founded and Bible compiled on the orders of Mithras worshipping Roman Emperor Constantine. The official story is that Emperor Constantine (Emperor 306-337 AD) converted from Mithraism to Christianity on the eve of a battle in 312 AD.

At least until 323 AD, his coins were inscribed with: “SOL INVICTO COMITI” (TO MY COMPANION THE INVINCIBLE SUN) and showed Sol.


Mithras was a God born from a virgin mother who died on a cross at Easter. Mithraists were baptised and the sign of the cross was made on the foreheads of all converts. The Romans had festivities on 25 December for Sol invictus (invincible sun); some say that Mithras was the sun god born on 25 December, this explains the church service on “Sunday”.

I was first informed on these FACTS from a Christian by the way (look at the last page on Church!): https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/download/file.php?id=334
Jesus was a Jew therefore would have been a follower of the OT...also, the OT is about prophecy of which Jesus fulfilled it all....so there is that.
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