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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2019, 02:13:01 am »
Great post Bladerunner, and I too agree with much of the Calvinist doctrine except the free will part. I also find it hard to accept that some people were born to go straight to hell and God knows it ahead of time. Why bring them into the world? I have see some good Calvinist VS Open Theist debates. Maybe we could post a good one here and comment as we watch?

No-one is predestined to go to hell, sin was not predestined. God never created man a sinner.

But God foreknew and does know and foreknow.

So foreknowing that man would sin God predestined man's redemption.

You have to ask "if God foreknew that His beautiful creature would sin and utterly wreck His creation, should He therefore resign Himself to not creating at all?"

Where would you and I be?

People never really get to grips with predestination because they shun it out of hand, predestiny is grained into every aspect of life and nature. For example the prodigal son MUST return to his father or die a starving and ignominious death because man is created with the need to renew his strength by food, this characteristic is part of predestiny.


Yes, there is fact are people around the world that will never rise up out of their sin as God will not have called them thereby conditioning their heart to seek and accept Jesus Christ. These whom He calls will He justify, sanctify and glorify.   

Why God has done it this way, I do not know ? He created us from the dust of the earth, we are his and he has sovereignty over us at all times.

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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2019, 10:40:30 pm »
I'm going to do some more studying with John MacArthur for sure.
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2019, 02:43:53 pm »
Why I'm not a Calvinist | Why I disagree with Reformed Theology

In this video I will discuss why I disagree with Reformed Theology (briefly) and why I'm not a Calvinist. Please do not comment or send me hate unless you watched the entire video ;) As I explain how I feel in detail near the ending.


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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2019, 07:50:19 am »
The BIBLE balance is the judgement, we are predestined and elected to be the church, the people of God, sons, predestiny and election are not said to be unto salvation that is what people suppose, naturally we must be saved in order to be conformed to Christ.

But that says NOTHING about others who are not so chosen they will be judged and God has promised to judge with equity.
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2019, 10:44:34 pm »
The BIBLE balance is the judgement, we are predestined and elected to be the church, the people of God, sons, predestiny and election are not said to be unto salvation that is what people suppose, naturally we must be saved in order to be conformed to Christ.

But that says NOTHING about others who are not so chosen they will be judged and God has promised to judge with equity.

Hi Billy,,, a good point...

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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2019, 04:49:26 am »
I concur with everything.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2019, 07:32:42 pm »
The BIBLE balance is the judgement, we are predestined and elected to be the church, the people of God, sons, predestiny and election are not said to be unto salvation that is what people suppose, naturally we must be saved in order to be conformed to Christ.
Oh, will Michael and Gabriel, the holy warriors of GOD, need to be saved to conform to Christ? When did they sin?

As for salvation, it is the worldly fulfillment of the promise of election to elect sinners  given pre-world...and I deny you can find one word of the constituents of predestiny and election that are not prerequisites for or fulfillments of salvation...not one.



But that says NOTHING about others who are not so chosen they will be judged and God has promised to judge with equity.
To say nothing is to say all that is needed! They were obviously not elected so they were passed over for election. If you can't figure out what this means then I will tell you.

 If there was no reason for electing some then there was no reason for not electing others. If there was no reason of sinfulness in them so that they were passed over for election then they were innocent and if there was sinfulness in them that caused them to be passed over then there was also a reason for the election of the others, that is, they did not sin the sin that caused people to be passed over for election which is what I declare.

I can't believe that some people have been accepting this foolishness for some 500 years! Yikes! Innocents going to hell! Elect for no reason!
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Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2019, 07:44:29 pm »
I concur with everything.

PJ. Your answer surprises me.

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2019, 07:48:07 pm »
I concur with everything.

PJ. Your answer surprises me.

Blade

I was just being funny.
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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2019, 07:01:30 am »
In the parable of The Sower, Jesus taught us that salvation was like a seed cast into soil.  The seed reacted with all of the types of soil accept for the hardened path.  The ultimate results was dictated by the type of soil and not the seed.  The seed was faithful to do what it was meant to do and either the soil had what was necessary to carry resulting plant to fruition or it did not.

The good soil was predestined by the farmer to bear fruit but the other types of soil were not.  Do you believe that this sheds any light on predestination?

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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2019, 07:05:19 am »
In the parable of The Sower, Jesus taught us that salvation was like a seed cast into soil.  The seed reacted with all of the types of soil accept for the hardened path.  The ultimate results was dictated by the type of soil and not the seed.  The seed was faithful to do what it was meant to do and either the soil had what was necessary to carry resulting plant to fruition or it did not.

The good soil was predestined by the farmer to bear fruit but the other types of soil were not.  Do you believe that this sheds any light on predestination?
That's why I use Miracle Gro !!!
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, the gospel of our salvation, and repenting, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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