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Re: Consequence or punishment?
« on: May 16, 2019, 09:53:19 pm »
This discussion is multifaceted so we kind of need to build precept upon precept.

First let's start off with is death the consequence of sin or the punishment for sin? I submit Genesis 3 as the first scripture to look into this concept.

My personal take is that it is a consequence and that the punishment which is laid out in Genesis 3 has a huge purpose in our faith lives that we seldom or ever acknowledge but that will come as we hash out some of the rest of this.
I think you're right that death is a consequence of sin. Would hell be the punishment? I just watched/listened to and just posted here a video about the word hell and eternal torment is NOT mentioned in scripture. Very interesting study. I'll have to read Gen 3 later.

1st of all, Hell is used in the KJV 54x; Eternal 47x; Torment 11x;

everlasting punishment x1;

Don't believe everything you see on a video.. Eternal Torment is not in the Bible but in Rev. 14:11.."And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:"

It is better to rely on the WORD of GOD instead of someone's words of wisdom.

Death is the Consequence of That First Initial Sin; Gen 2:17.."But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

For Punishment each different (Adam and Eve),

Eve: Gen 3:16  "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

Adam:Gen 3:17.."And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;"

Blade

Sorry Blade, but I can't imagine a God that will eternally torment any member of mankind. Is that the God you believe in? Can you point to scripture that says people will burn in hell forever, with no end? Is that a just punishment for any soul that lived in the earth? I suggest you read the Bible more to see if these things be true.


Hello PJ.... The question is,,,,What kind of GOD condemns people to Hell and others to Heaven.

We all have a eternal soul and according to God's Word there are only two final destinations. Being born to darkness and death, we are all headed toward HELL unless?

1. There will not be one person in Hell who is not rebelling against GOD! Think of rebellion. What does it mean?  Is not following GOD's WORD in    1 TIM 2, 3 and Titan considered rebellion? Is Homosexuality considered rebellion?  Is murder, theft, adultery considered a rebellion against God's laws??????????

2. There will  not be one person in Hell who does not deserve to be there! What about the murderer on death row...Does He deserve to GO to HELL.. What about the typical MS-16 bag of trash. Does He or she deserve to go to Hell. What about the boy down the street who steals from everyone and knows no GOD. What about the girl in the neighborhood next to yours, who has child after child out of wedlock and does not want to know GOD. What about the Catholic, who believes in Jesus Christ, yet prays to idols of fallen saints, prays to the IDOL of Jesus' Mother, follows the Pope as the Victor (substitute) of GOD!

3. God has said that He predestined many where He changed their hearts in order for them to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ and search these things out. IS this not saving them from a eternal life of torment?

From Adam and Eve, the times we were in light, where no death occurred. Yes, we could have had all of that however, due to the Fall of Man, We are born to darkness, sin, death and eternal hell and its torment. 

Torment? Can a person really be tormented in Hell? That I do not know but I suspect it is so for in the story of the Rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:9), all information given indicated the word  is YES 1 . Here we see the Rich Man explaining the torment he was in. He also explains that he is conscious of everything for he can see, he can hear, he can feel, he can speak, he can remember, he can,he can,he can, etc.

To the READER:  Hell is not going to be a nice place to be. You only have one choice and as I am reminded about the traffic accident that took the choice away from a young lady this morning; her rapture happened today but for those of us still living, our rapture is????????

I can only hope and pray that her choice had already been made for Jesus. As for the reader, it is my hope and prayer, you will not dwell on whether GOD is a bad dude because it is a wide spread heresy about His condemning many to hell but rather focus on the salvation that is a gift from Him to you effectively raising your from the depths of HELL.

Blade


1.Many say this story is a parable, yet it is the only story/parable where an actual legal name has been used. From this, we take that Lazarus was indeed in Abraham's Bosom and was removed from His Bosom to paradise when Jesus spent three days and three nights in the bowels of the earth.

Thank you Blade, great post. Praise God for giving us the Way, the Truth and the Life. The free gift of salvation.

 

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