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Re: Consequence or punishment?
« on: May 15, 2019, 02:10:16 pm »
This discussion is multifaceted so we kind of need to build precept upon precept.

First let's start off with is death the consequence of sin or the punishment for sin? I submit Genesis 3 as the first scripture to look into this concept.

My personal take is that it is a consequence and that the punishment which is laid out in Genesis 3 has a huge purpose in our faith lives that we seldom or ever acknowledge but that will come as we hash out some of the rest of this.
I think you're right that death is a consequence of sin. Would hell be the punishment? I just watched/listened to and just posted here a video about the word hell and eternal torment is NOT mentioned in scripture. Very interesting study. I'll have to read Gen 3 later.

1st of all, Hell is used in the KJV 54x; Eternal 47x; Torment 11x;

everlasting punishment x1;

Don't believe everything you see on a video.. Eternal Torment is not in the Bible but in Rev. 14:11.."And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:"

It is better to rely on the WORD of GOD instead of someone's words of wisdom.

Death is the Consequence of That First Initial Sin; Gen 2:17.."But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

For Punishment each different (Adam and Eve),

Eve: Gen 3:16  "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

Adam:Gen 3:17.."And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;"

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Sorry Blade, but I can't imagine a God that will eternally torment any member of mankind. Is that the God you believe in? Can you point to scripture that says people will burn in hell forever, with no end? Is that a just punishment for any soul that lived in the earth? I suggest you read the Bible more to see if these things be true.
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