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« on: January 16, 2019, 10:31:54 am »
This is part of a study on how Christ Loved the Church and I find myself needing reminded about why and how to suffer...hope you find strength in it as I have.



Isaiah 53:4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by h



    Isaiah 53:4, tells us of a bridegroom that bore the sorrow, sickness, griefs, etc. of His bride upon Himself.  She was not left standing to wallow in her own sin, she was not left to cry alone.  Christ loved His bride by taking upon Himself her pains, her trauma, so that she could be blameless. The Church in Isaiah 53, however, responded to Christ's love by viewing Him as cursed by God, the Church did not understand the beauty and joy of suffering, instead, she treated the one suffering with contempt.  Even when the wife's reaction is not what we would expect, the husband that is living and Loving as Christ calls Him to, continues on, sharing in her pains and suffering, with an undying Love.   Christ's Love for the Church was dramatic, most of life isn't nearly so, life happens in the little things, as does love.  Love doesn't need to be some grand gesture of dramatic show, Love is happening this very moment in time.  Christ's love doesn't just take what we give Him, but it asks us to put our suffering on Him.  Christ asks us to cast all our cares upon Him.  (I Peter 5:7; Psalms 37:5; Psalms 55:22; Proverbs 16:3; Matthew 6:28-34; Psalms 68:19)



    This passage provides for us a two part understanding of how Christ loved the Church.  The first part deals with sharing one another's burdens, sorrows, griefs, struggles and pains. Christ loved the Church in Isaiah 53:4 a by bearing, this is to take her griefs upon Himself and to carry Her sorrows in His being.  When our son died, the grief would have crushed us if someone had not carried some of the grief on their shoulders.  We were protected from the newspaper reporters who wanted a story, from people remaining too long.  Anything we needed, was provided, from food and housing to protection , comfort, and help with plans and pictures.  In fact, many went out of their way to help us deal with our grief.  They carried our sorrow in their hearts as was evidenced  by many of the comments that we received.  Even though our grief remains and even though there are still days of tears, the sharing of that grief the carrying of that sorrow made our burden lighter.  It is said in scripture, that in the hands of God, our grief is temporary and will turn to joy.  (John 16:20-22; I Peter 1:6)  I remember and have talk to others that have suffered the loss of someone close, the first laughter sounded so foreign, like a betrayal of the pain our hearts still felt.  Our world had stopped and yet we laughed as if it had not.  There is joy in the midst of great grief and the husband who is loving the wife as Christ loves the church can find that joy, that moment in which grief turns to joy.  We are also told in scripture, that sorrow is a heavy burden to bear.  (Matthew 26:38; Mark 14:34) Forgiveness and comfort prevent sorrow from overwhelming us according to II Corinthians 2:7, and in II Corinthians 7:10-11 we see that  sorrow leads us to repentance.  Sorrow is not a great evil that everyone should avoid at great cost.  Our own sorrow at the loss of our son, revealed that magnitude of our love for Him, it drew us closer to God, to one another, and closer the the body that was there sharing in our suffering.  In II Corinthians 6:3-19 we are told that if we commend ourselves, even our suffering over to God, He will turn that sorrow into rejoicing.  Psalms 55:22 (NIV) Cast your cares on the LORD and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous be shaken.  Our picture of Christ loving the Church in her grief and suffering isn't just a picture of taking the grief and sorrow upon Himself, but it is also a picture of His willingness, His compassion, His grace to ask her to put it upon Him.  Christ asks us to give Him our grief and suffering.  When we do that, we discover that our grief does indeed turn to joy and our sorrow does indeed turn to rejoicing.



    Romans 12:15...Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn...it is a pure outpouring of God's Love, as given by the Holy Spirit and the unity that is built by this Love.  It is in unity that you learn to mourn with those that mourn, and rejoice with those who rejoice.  All things are shared not just the joys, not just the marriage bed, but all things.  All bitterness, anger, hostility, is gone, humility reigns supreme, and in that, we learn and discover, that we can be united in every aspect of our lives.  It is no longer his friends and her friends, his money and her money, his family and her family, or even his fault or her fault, but in the midst of Love, all is shared as though we were one, functioning for the one and same goal, her grief becomes his and her sorrow is his as well.  Even in the things that cause us to suffer. Sharing in one another's suffering is an act of Love. (Romans 12:15; Job 30:25; Hebrews 13:3; Matthew 25:31-46; Isaiah 58:6-7; James 2:15-16)  This includes but is not limited to the things that will grieve the other person.  Things that they may have done.  When we sin, we grieve the Lord, yet the Lord is anxious to hear our humble cries, anxious to bear our grief and carried our sorrows. In this sharing, this unity, all judgment is gone, all that remains is the love that fulfills the commands of God.  (I Peter 5:7; Psalms 68:19; Psalms 37:5-6; Psalms 62:8; Proverbs 16:3; Proverbs 3:5; Psalms 42:4; I Samuel 1:16; Lamentations 1:20; Lamentations 2:11-19)  In the Love of Christ, we do not need to fear hurting the other person, because our pain, our sin, is a shared burden in the arms of the unity of love.  I have talked with many people who refused to be painfully honest with their spouse, sighting their not wanting to hurt the other person as the reason.  But in this withholding, true unity is not possible.  In the withholding, healing cannot happen.  As our example, Christ hears all our sin, listens intently, and in love, as we pour out our hearts to Him in repentance and brokenness, while we were still enemies, He listened, and took our sin upon Himself, that we might become one, united, so that we might live behind our old nature, our old life, our sinful desires and cleave to the new life, the new relationship that we have chosen to love.



    Christ never allowed His bride to suffer alone, no matter how minor or major the suffering, Christ suffered along with the Church.  This type of suffering together requires that the one sharing the suffering listen intently to the words that are being said and the things that words cannot say.  Christ's love for the Church is a love that listens with intent interest and in that interest, shows the compassion that marks a heart that shares in the oneness of the other.  A husband that loves his wife as Christ loves the Church is a husband that learns to listen without judgment to his wife and never takes anything she holds as important as trivial.  (II Chronicles 7:14; Isaiah 65:24; Psalms 91:15; Isaiah 30:19; Isaiah 41:17; Isaiah 55:6; Isaiah 58:9; Daniel 10:12; Zechariah 13:9; Jeremiah 33:3; Psalms 50:15; Jeremiah 29:12; Joel 2:32) In vs. 1 we see that love reveals himself, in vs. 2, love is humble, but the companion to both of these, is a love that listens and shares in that listening in a real and powerful way.  A love that bears our griefs and carried our sorrows.



    Listening is a two way street.  In fact, one cannot know if another is listening without listening to see if the words and ideas were heard.  In counseling, one of the techniques often used, is for the counselor to rephrase what was said to make sure that it was understood correctly.  This is sometimes a great tool for making sure that communication is functioning as it should.  In Isaiah 53:4 Christ listens, but in order for the listening to be effective, in order for the pain to be truly shared, it is important for the bride to hear her Husband.  She must recognize the care and concern, the sharing of the burden before the sharing is of benefit to either of those sharing.  God is listening to us, if He knows our thoughts before we have them, (Jeremiah 29:11) but I do not know He gets it, if I have no understanding that He knows what I am saying, then I have gained nothing.  In scripture we are told to listen as well.  In fact, when we listen to Christ (Luke 2:46; Luke 9:35; Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7) we discover that He is indeed listening to us.  We learn from our quieting ourselves and listening to Christ, that He shares our burdens, carries our load, makes our job easy, we discover that He is doing all the hard work, He is comforting us, He is taking our burdens upon Himself, making them His very own.  (Matthew 13:1-23; Matthew 15:1-20; Matthew 17:5; Matthew 18:15; Matthew 21:33-46; Mark 4:1-20; Mark 7:1-22;  Mark 9:7; Luke 2:46; Luke 6:27-36; Luke 8:16-18; Luke 9:35-50; Luke 10:16; Luke 16:19-31; Luke 18:1-8; John 3:22-36; John 9:31; John 10:1-21; Acts 2:14-41; Acts 28:28; I Corinthians 14:21; I Corinthians 15:35-58; Ephesians 4:29; II Timothy 2:14; James 1:19-24; James 2:5; James 4:13-16; James 5:1-5; I John 4:5-6; Psalms 46:10)  In the sharing of our griefs and the carrying of our sorrows, Christ opens the door for us to take our minds off ourselves and put our attention on the needs of others.



    The second part of the verse also holds some wonderful truths for us about the Love of a Christ who loved even unto death.  “Yet we esteem Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.”  In our world today, suffering is usually deemed a bad thing, an evil to be avoided at all costs.  In fact, we have whole denominations that seem to spend all their time on avoiding or how to avoid in Christ all the struggles of life, rather than on the giver of life.  John 16:33 (NIV) “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”  Struggle, suffering is part of life, it is inescapable whether born with a silver spoon in your mouth or born in a stable with the animals, suffering will come upon us all.  James 1:2-4 tells us that we should rejoice in this suffering, that this suffering is not some evil to avoid at all costs, but rather, it is a tool in the capable hands of God that produces good things for us.  In suffering, we reveal God's strength, His comfort, His encouragement.  In suffering we are found to endure, persevere, which is remember part of actual Love (I Corinthians 13).  It is suffering that brings us into deeper unity with Christ.  As James tells us, suffering is not some evil that we should try to avoid at all costs, nor is it love to try to inflict pain upon someone, rather, when we begin to put suffering in it's rightful place, when we share the suffering with our spouse, when we learn to bear the others grief and carry the others burden, when we discover the beauty of painfully honest communication, we begin to see the real beauty of suffering.  In that beauty we discover truths that the world cannot understand as it sets about to remove all suffering from their lives and replace it with facades of peace that do not satisfy, do not quench our thirst for oneness in our marital relationships. (James 1:2-4; Romans 5:3-4; James 1:12; James 5:11; I Peter 1:6; Matthew 5:12; II Corinthians 12:10; Romans 8:35-39; II Thessalonians 1:4; Philippians 3:10; Romans 6:5; Romans 8:17-18; Romans 8:36; II Corinthians 1:5; Philippians 3:8-10; I Peter 4:13; II Corinthians 4:10; II Timothy 2:12; I Peter 2:21)   

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2019, 07:38:59 pm »
This is part of a study on how Christ Loved the Church and I find myself needing reminded about why and how to suffer...hope you find strength in it as I have.









    Isaiah 53:4, tells us of a bridegroom that bore the sorrow, sickness, griefs, etc. of His bride upon Himself.  She was not left standing to wallow in her own sin, she was not left to cry alone.  Christ loved His bride by taking upon Himself her pains, her trauma, so that she could be blameless. The Church in Isaiah 53, however, responded to Christ's love by viewing Him as cursed by God, the Church did not understand the beauty and joy of suffering, instead, she treated the one suffering with contempt.  Even when the wife's reaction is not what we would expect, the husband that is living and Loving as Christ calls Him to, continues on, sharing in her pains and suffering, with an undying Love.   Christ's Love for the Church was dramatic, most of life isn't nearly so, life happens in the little things, as does love.  Love doesn't need to be some grand gesture of dramatic show, Love is happening this very moment in time.  Christ's love doesn't just take what we give Him, but it asks us to put our suffering on Him.  Christ asks us to cast all our cares upon Him.  (I Peter 5:7; Psalms 37:5; Psalms 55:22; Proverbs 16:3; Matthew 6:28-34; Psalms 68:19)



    This passage provides for us a two part understanding of how Christ loved the Church.  The first part deals with sharing one another's burdens, sorrows, griefs, struggles and pains. Christ loved the Church in Isaiah 53:4 a by bearing, this is to take her griefs upon Himself and to carry Her sorrows in His being.  When our son died, the grief would have crushed us if someone had not carried some of the grief on their shoulders.  We were protected from the newspaper reporters who wanted a story, from people remaining too long.  Anything we needed, was provided, from food and housing to protection , comfort, and help with plans and pictures.  In fact, many went out of their way to help us deal with our grief.  They carried our sorrow in their hearts as was evidenced  by many of the comments that we received.  Even though our grief remains and even though there are still days of tears, the sharing of that grief the carrying of that sorrow made our burden lighter.  It is said in scripture, that in the hands of God, our grief is temporary and will turn to joy.  (John 16:20-22; I Peter 1:6)  I remember and have talk to others that have suffered the loss of someone close, the first laughter sounded so foreign, like a betrayal of the pain our hearts still felt.  Our world had stopped and yet we laughed as if it had not.  There is joy in the midst of great grief and the husband who is loving the wife as Christ loves the church can find that joy, that moment in which grief turns to joy.  We are also told in scripture, that sorrow is a heavy burden to bear.  (Matthew 26:38; Mark 14:34) Forgiveness and comfort prevent sorrow from overwhelming us according to II Corinthians 2:7, and in II Corinthians 7:10-11 we see that  sorrow leads us to repentance.  Sorrow is not a great evil that everyone should avoid at great cost.  Our own sorrow at the loss of our son, revealed that magnitude of our love for Him, it drew us closer to God, to one another, and closer the the body that was there sharing in our suffering.  In II Corinthians 6:3-19 we are told that if we commend ourselves, even our suffering over to God, He will turn that sorrow into rejoicing.  Psalms 55:22 (NIV) Cast your cares on the LORD and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous be shaken.  Our picture of Christ loving the Church in her grief and suffering isn't just a picture of taking the grief and sorrow upon Himself, but it is also a picture of His willingness, His compassion, His grace to ask her to put it upon Him.  Christ asks us to give Him our grief and suffering.  When we do that, we discover that our grief does indeed turn to joy and our sorrow does indeed turn to rejoicing.



    Romans 12:15...Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn...it is a pure outpouring of God's Love, as given by the Holy Spirit and the unity that is built by this Love.  It is in unity that you learn to mourn with those that mourn, and rejoice with those who rejoice.  All things are shared not just the joys, not just the marriage bed, but all things.  All bitterness, anger, hostility, is gone, humility reigns supreme, and in that, we learn and discover, that we can be united in every aspect of our lives.  It is no longer his friends and her friends, his money and her money, his family and her family, or even his fault or her fault, but in the midst of Love, all is shared as though we were one, functioning for the one and same goal, her grief becomes his and her sorrow is his as well.  Even in the things that cause us to suffer. Sharing in one another's suffering is an act of Love. (Romans 12:15; Job 30:25; Hebrews 13:3; Matthew 25:31-46; Isaiah 58:6-7; James 2:15-16)  This includes but is not limited to the things that will grieve the other person.  Things that they may have done.  When we sin, we grieve the Lord, yet the Lord is anxious to hear our humble cries, anxious to bear our grief and carried our sorrows. In this sharing, this unity, all judgment is gone, all that remains is the love that fulfills the commands of God.  (I Peter 5:7; Psalms 68:19; Psalms 37:5-6; Psalms 62:8; Proverbs 16:3; Proverbs 3:5; Psalms 42:4; I Samuel 1:16; Lamentations 1:20; Lamentations 2:11-19)  In the Love of Christ, we do not need to fear hurting the other person, because our pain, our sin, is a shared burden in the arms of the unity of love.  I have talked with many people who refused to be painfully honest with their spouse, sighting their not wanting to hurt the other person as the reason.  But in this withholding, true unity is not possible.  In the withholding, healing cannot happen.  As our example, Christ hears all our sin, listens intently, and in love, as we pour out our hearts to Him in repentance and brokenness, while we were still enemies, He listened, and took our sin upon Himself, that we might become one, united, so that we might live behind our old nature, our old life, our sinful desires and cleave to the new life, the new relationship that we have chosen to love.



    Christ never allowed His bride to suffer alone, no matter how minor or major the suffering, Christ suffered along with the Church.  This type of suffering together requires that the one sharing the suffering listen intently to the words that are being said and the things that words cannot say.  Christ's love for the Church is a love that listens with intent interest and in that interest, shows the compassion that marks a heart that shares in the oneness of the other.  A husband that loves his wife as Christ loves the Church is a husband that learns to listen without judgment to his wife and never takes anything she holds as important as trivial.  (II Chronicles 7:14; Isaiah 65:24; Psalms 91:15; Isaiah 30:19; Isaiah 41:17; Isaiah 55:6; Isaiah 58:9; Daniel 10:12; Zechariah 13:9; Jeremiah 33:3; Psalms 50:15; Jeremiah 29:12; Joel 2:32) In vs. 1 we see that love reveals himself, in vs. 2, love is humble, but the companion to both of these, is a love that listens and shares in that listening in a real and powerful way.  A love that bears our griefs and carried our sorrows.



    Listening is a two way street.  In fact, one cannot know if another is listening without listening to see if the words and ideas were heard.  In counseling, one of the techniques often used, is for the counselor to rephrase what was said to make sure that it was understood correctly.  This is sometimes a great tool for making sure that communication is functioning as it should.  In Isaiah 53:4 Christ listens, but in order for the listening to be effective, in order for the pain to be truly shared, it is important for the bride to hear her Husband.  She must recognize the care and concern, the sharing of the burden before the sharing is of benefit to either of those sharing.  God is listening to us, if He knows our thoughts before we have them, (Jeremiah 29:11) but I do not know He gets it, if I have no understanding that He knows what I am saying, then I have gained nothing.  In scripture we are told to listen as well.  In fact, when we listen to Christ (Luke 2:46; Luke 9:35; Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7) we discover that He is indeed listening to us.  We learn from our quieting ourselves and listening to Christ, that He shares our burdens, carries our load, makes our job easy, we discover that He is doing all the hard work, He is comforting us, He is taking our burdens upon Himself, making them His very own.  (Matthew 13:1-23; Matthew 15:1-20; Matthew 17:5; Matthew 18:15; Matthew 21:33-46; Mark 4:1-20; Mark 7:1-22;  Mark 9:7; Luke 2:46; Luke 6:27-36; Luke 8:16-18; Luke 9:35-50; Luke 10:16; Luke 16:19-31; Luke 18:1-8; John 3:22-36; John 9:31; John 10:1-21; Acts 2:14-41; Acts 28:28; I Corinthians 14:21; I Corinthians 15:35-58; Ephesians 4:29; II Timothy 2:14; James 1:19-24; James 2:5; James 4:13-16; James 5:1-5; I John 4:5-6; Psalms 46:10)  In the sharing of our griefs and the carrying of our sorrows, Christ opens the door for us to take our minds off ourselves and put our attention on the needs of others.



    The second part of the verse also holds some wonderful truths for us about the Love of a Christ who loved even unto death.  “Yet we esteem Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.”  In our world today, suffering is usually deemed a bad thing, an evil to be avoided at all costs.  In fact, we have whole denominations that seem to spend all their time on avoiding or how to avoid in Christ all the struggles of life, rather than on the giver of life.  John 16:33 (NIV) “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”  Struggle, suffering is part of life, it is inescapable whether born with a silver spoon in your mouth or born in a stable with the animals, suffering will come upon us all.  James 1:2-4 tells us that we should rejoice in this suffering, that this suffering is not some evil to avoid at all costs, but rather, it is a tool in the capable hands of God that produces good things for us.  In suffering, we reveal God's strength, His comfort, His encouragement.  In suffering we are found to endure, persevere, which is remember part of actual Love (I Corinthians 13).  It is suffering that brings us into deeper unity with Christ.  As James tells us, suffering is not some evil that we should try to avoid at all costs, nor is it love to try to inflict pain upon someone, rather, when we begin to put suffering in it's rightful place, when we share the suffering with our spouse, when we learn to bear the others grief and carry the others burden, when we discover the beauty of painfully honest communication, we begin to see the real beauty of suffering.  In that beauty we discover truths that the world cannot understand as it sets about to remove all suffering from their lives and replace it with facades of peace that do not satisfy, do not quench our thirst for oneness in our marital relationships. (James 1:2-4; Romans 5:3-4; James 1:12; James 5:11; I Peter 1:6; Matthew 5:12; II Corinthians 12:10; Romans 8:35-39; II Thessalonians 1:4; Philippians 3:10; Romans 6:5; Romans 8:17-18; Romans 8:36; II Corinthians 1:5; Philippians 3:8-10; I Peter 4:13; II Corinthians 4:10; II Timothy 2:12; I Peter 2:21)   

Hi Lori....You said "Isaiah 53:4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by h"

While it was preordained that Jesus would go through the punishment for our sins as you have said, it still remains, I think about it often and agonize over it every time I do:

I hope everyone looks at Jesus a little differently when they realize and say to themselves the following statement:

My SINS ........placed HIM on that CROSS!!!!!!

Hope you have a great evening....

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2019, 06:58:23 am »
In my studies of suffering I came upon Hebrews 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

As our high priest, Christ made both gifts and sacrifices for us....this to me is mind boggling when we comprehend that suffering was part of the gifts He gave to us.  There is so much in suffering that is both powerful and healing but we tend to be so focused on the suffering that we fail to see the beauty in in.
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2019, 09:47:42 pm »
In my studies of suffering I came upon Hebrews 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

As our high priest, Christ made both gifts and sacrifices for us....this to me is mind boggling when we comprehend that suffering was part of the gifts He gave to us.  There is so much in suffering that is both powerful and healing but we tend to be so focused on the suffering that we fail to see the beauty in in.

The apostles also thought they could suffer as HE did. They did!

be careful for what you ask for.

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2019, 08:36:34 am »
In my studies of suffering I came upon Hebrews 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

As our high priest, Christ made both gifts and sacrifices for us....this to me is mind boggling when we comprehend that suffering was part of the gifts He gave to us.  There is so much in suffering that is both powerful and healing but we tend to be so focused on the suffering that we fail to see the beauty in in.

The apostles also thought they could suffer as HE did. They did!

be careful for what you ask for.

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I don't enjoy suffering.
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I don't enjoy suffering.
Indeed.
Suffering is a human condition

It is a condition brought on by the fall of mankind.

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2021, 08:29:48 pm »
I'm reminded again of what a woman once said to me. She said that I must not be living right to have so much suffering and problems in my life. Instead of asking if she could help me in any way or even offering to pray for me, she chose to condemn me.

Suffering isn't easy but it can help us, benefit us, strengthen us, refine us, make us more compassionate to others, give us hope and reveal the works of God.

James 1:2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4 Allow perseverance to finish its work, so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

2 Cor. 4:7 Now we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this surpassingly great power is from God and not from us. 8We are hard pressed on all sides, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

Romans 8:18 I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.

Romans 5:3 Not only that, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us.

2 Corinthians 12:10 That is why, for the sake of Christ, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

1 Peter 5:10 And after you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself restore you, secure you, strengthen you, and establish you.

2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

John 9:1Now as Jesus was passing by, He saw a man blind from birth, 2and His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God would be displayed in him.

Rom. 8:28 And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.

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Re: Suffering
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2021, 09:32:33 pm »
I'm reminded again of what a woman once said to me. She said that I must not be living right to have so much suffering and problems in my life. Instead of asking if she could help me in any way or even offering to pray for me, she chose to condemn me.

Suffering isn't easy but it can help us, benefit us, strengthen us, refine us, make us more compassionate to others, give us hope and reveal the works of God.

James 1:2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4 Allow perseverance to finish its work, so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

2 Cor. 4:7 Now we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this surpassingly great power is from God and not from us. 8We are hard pressed on all sides, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

Romans 8:18 I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.

Romans 5:3 Not only that, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us.

2 Corinthians 12:10 That is why, for the sake of Christ, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

1 Peter 5:10 And after you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself restore you, secure you, strengthen you, and establish you.

2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

John 9:1Now as Jesus was passing by, He saw a man blind from birth, 2and His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God would be displayed in him.

Rom. 8:28 And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.
I have met people like that and I have learned to ignore them and those type of comments. Sounds like Job when his good friends kept telling him he must have sinned greatly to be receiving all of his afflictions. We also know the the enemy, satan loves to torment us with thoughts and feelings of shame and guilt. Thanks for these verses TJ.
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Re: Suffering
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2021, 06:16:47 am »
I'm reminded again of what a woman once said to me. She said that I must not be living right to have so much suffering and problems in my life. Instead of asking if she could help me in any way or even offering to pray for me, she chose to condemn me.

Suffering isn't easy but it can help us, benefit us, strengthen us, refine us, make us more compassionate to others, give us hope and reveal the works of God.

James 1:2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4 Allow perseverance to finish its work, so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

2 Cor. 4:7 Now we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this surpassingly great power is from God and not from us. 8We are hard pressed on all sides, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

Romans 8:18 I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.

Romans 5:3 Not only that, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us.

2 Corinthians 12:10 That is why, for the sake of Christ, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

1 Peter 5:10 And after you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself restore you, secure you, strengthen you, and establish you.

2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

John 9:1Now as Jesus was passing by, He saw a man blind from birth, 2and His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God would be displayed in him.

Rom. 8:28 And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.
People like the woman you were talking to make me angry if I am being honest.  There are lots of ways we suffer by that I mean, look at Job, or the early church, etc. persecution, demonic attack, etc. are all parts of suffering.  The root of course is sin but not always our sin.  And of course every passage you post here is spot on.  Thanks for the post and thanks for being faithful.
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