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To "care for the poor" means different things to different people. How exactly does one "care for the poor"? That phrase doesn't mean anything. Do you research and participate in a good charity food bank? Do you donate to one? Do you provide medical care for the poor or just your version of the Bible?


These are questions that should be examined. What is the extent to which one "cares for the poor"? Discernment is also required because some "poor" people are lovers of self and cause strife as they take advantage of generous people.

In one of the studies I did and am presenting I pointed out that as Ambassadors (scripture word) for Christ/God by carrying out His command to care for the poor, we are helping God.  I was challenged because the person claimed we can't help God do anything.



My stand is two fold, 1. as ambassadors/slaves/servants, we are helping the MASTER by carrying out the orders He gives and

2. Ephesians says that the Church is the bride of Christ, a bride, if we go back to Gen. is a helper suitable for the man...thus the Church, true believers are helpers suitable for Christ.



I will entertain any comments but will only consider scriptural arguments as a challenge to what I believe.  (just for the record)  IOW's I will listen and ask questions of your theology but if it isn't backed with scripture it will not affect my conclusions at all and will not be considered by me to challenge what I find in scripture, so won't even come close to changing my mind.  Scripture alone can change my mind.

Lori-  again.  If you are going to talk about me, or around me, or whatever it is that you are doing in hopes that I will respond so you can complain some more.......... then please do so accurately.  I said God doesn't need our help.

The exact quote was: "God has no need of your money. He has no need of your help."  Do you disagree?  Do you want to argue that assertion?  How about YOU provide some scripture to support your contention?

If you go back to the beginning- it wasn't "God" who needed a helper.  It was Adam.  Man needs help.  God does not.  Will scripture change your mind?

Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

Then the LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.” Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.


If you serve a Master... or if you are subject to a King... or if you simply work for your Dad and honor him...  it isn't "helping" him.  It's serving.

That's what "cultivate" means, and "keeping" means 'taking care of.'  God didn't need a helper to do any of this.  He put the man there to do it and He gave man a helper that was suitable.  I wouldn't expect you to understand what "suitable" means, but it points in a way, to the opposite of him, like you might consider your reflection in a mirror to be, but that's a whole 'nuther conversation.

When you elevate that idea of a Dad, or a Master, or a King to "The Father in Heaven" (generically- GOD) then that One has no shortcomings.  No needs.  He has all the resources, all the power, and the riches and ability and..... and everything.  There is no "need" within Him.  There is no poverty, there is no lack.

It's us.  We are the ones that rely on Him.  His provisions and promises and power.  Does God work in and through us to accomplish His purposes?  Of course.  Not because He needs to, but because He chooses to.

Here's something to nibble on... food for thought.

Does your knee "help" you?  --For a time I had one knee that would "lock out" on me.  -Like it would go a little bit out of joint when I was trying to get up from sitting on the ground, and it would get stuck in the bent position and not straighten out.  I'd have to manipulate it into a certain position so that it would 'pop' back into place and allow me to stand up properly and walk again.  At those times I'd say that knee was of 'no help' to me.

How about your hand?  Is your hand a helper to you?  Do you call it 'your helping hand?'

Or your foot?  Have you ever thought or said-- wow, my foot was such a help to me today!  More likely, it's when your ears don't hear, or your eyes don't quite see as well as they once did that you take notice of them.  You notice when "they don't do" what they are supposed to do.

But we don't really think of these 'body parts' as our 'helpers.'  We think of them as part of us.  As part of the body, that is "us."

So too with 'the body of Christ.'  Scripture tells us that we are part of the body of Christ, each with a specific role to play, none any more important than any other.  When each part 'plays it's part' everything functions as intended, it's only when one part is lacking that 'trouble' occurs.... but are these parts "helping" the body?  No, not really.  They are simply part of the body.  Integral to it.

Folks like to think of 'the church' as the body of Christ and this is problematic because as institutions, the churches all have their various troubles.... Why?-because there are various "parts" of those bodies that are not functioning properly.  The "parts" of the body of Christ are it's members.  Not helpers, but specific people tasked with specific functions that they either perform, or fail to perform.

When Jesus speaks about your hand or your eye causing the body to stumble, the remedy is to cut it off, or pluck it out.... because 'the body' is better off without that particular part.  He's talking about people.

Just some thoughts ahead of a new forum.

I know that by saying this I am in violation of your mandate to me Mr. E but please do not speak to me until you can apologize and change your mind about me not speaking to you ever again...it is not only annoying and rude but hard to obey when you post stupid things like this or make false accusations like this thread was calling you out when it was intended for Blade since he brought up the topic and I didn't want to get off topic in the other thread...grow up and act like a reasonable person!!!! It's past time.

So Lori, your post of [Today at 07:12:57 am] was not a genuine inquisitive post but rather a ruse?

Blade

I know that by saying this I am in violation of your mandate to me Mr. E but please do not speak to me until you can apologize and change your mind about me not speaking to you ever again...it is not only annoying and rude but hard to obey when you post stupid things like this or make false accusations like this thread was calling you out when it was intended for Blade since he brought up the topic and I didn't want to get off topic in the other thread...grow up and act like a reasonable person!!!! It's past time.

Since my post was highlighting what Jesus said in Matthew 5-- which part was it you think was stupid?

Quote from: Mr E on July 10, 2021, 10:39:33 am

Quote from: Lori Bolinger on July 09, 2021, 10:46:23 am

I know that by saying this I am in violation of your mandate to me Mr. E but please do not speak to me until you can apologize and change your mind about me not speaking to you ever again...it is not only annoying and rude but hard to obey when you post stupid things like this or make false accusations like this thread was calling you out when it was intended for Blade since he brought up the topic and I didn't want to get off topic in the other thread...grow up and act like a reasonable person!!!! It's past time.

Since my post was highlighting what Jesus said in Matthew 5-- which part was it you think was stupid?

The quote in question specifies as an ambassador for Christ....which part do you not understand...your need to grow up and apologize or your lack of reading comprehension?

Lori, I can see that my telling you to grow up really bothered you because you have repeated it at least twice that I've seen lately, you telling others to grow up. This in itself is proof that you are immature in regards to adult interaction. You can't have a discussion about anything with anyone without getting offended or upset over words and the fact that you are always right. If you want to be active here you need to respect others and try to have "civil" discourse without insults or strife. I'm just done dealing with it.