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Lori Bolinger

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Are we born into a sinful world or are we born sinning?
« on: April 22, 2020, 08:47:41 am »
As I read

I John 2:16

 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.



the only thing that seems to make sence is that we are born into a sinful world, that we are tempted from the get go to sin, but NOT that we are born sinning.  Change my mind.

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As I read

I John 2:16

 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.



the only thing that seems to make sence is that we are born into a sinful world, that we are tempted from the get go to sin, but NOT that we are born sinning.  Change my mind.

why change you mind. We were all born with a "Sin Nature" but we are born free of sin....the father's sins cannot be translated to the son/daughter.

Deuteronomy 24:16..(KJV).."The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."



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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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So Blade, you agree that we are NOT born sinning....cool, it's nice to find something we agree on without a lot of nonsense standing in the way of communicating that.
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This is an interesting question.  It raises the issues of traditional philosophy verses philosophy that that is theological driven.  I had one professor who thought that we are all born in sin because we are all decedent from adam and eve and since they sinned we are born in sin. 

At the same time, my philosophy professor believed we are all born blank slates and have not sinned or done good.  Further, we are not good or evil,  but he does accept the thought that some are born in a way to be "mail ad see" 

With this all input it has always been my feelings we are born in God's grace, but we are a blank slate to be molded as we grow.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

George Orwell
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This is an interesting question.  It raises the issues of traditional philosophy verses philosophy that that is theological driven.  I had one professor who thought that we are all born in sin because we are all decedent from adam and eve and since they sinned we are born in sin. 

At the same time, my philosophy professor believed we are all born blank slates and have not sinned or done good.  Further, we are not good or evil,  but he does accept the thought that some are born in a way to be "mail ad see" 

With this all input it has always been my feelings we are born in God's grace, but we are a blank slate to be molded as we grow.

Mark, I agree that we are not born in the sin of Adam and EVE...but rather have a Sin Nature (in the Blood) for each and every one of us. one more verse to help clear it up?

Rom 9:11..(KJV).."though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls—"

1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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