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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2020, 08:56:42 pm »
Fully agree with everything you said.  So wonderfully put.    I may borrow it with permission for a white paper I am trying to write.
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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2020, 12:30:52 pm »
Fully agree with everything you said.  So wonderfully put.    I may borrow it with permission for a white paper I am trying to write.

of course, anything I write is yours if you deem it fit.

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2020, 03:18:34 pm »
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2020, 11:26:01 pm »
Lets dive into the actual discourse now. 
I am going to follow my initial break out.  The first was 10:1, it is the choosing and empowering opening.   It states as follows, from KJV

10:1   And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Jesus calls his twelve disciples to him; this strikes me as an initial answer to a prayer for the Lord to send workers.  I am not sure if it was to send him workers or just generally.   If you go back to Matthew 9:38 it seems more that he is asking the Lord to send his disciples out into the harvest and the harvest being the masses of people coming to his teachings.   This also made me reflect on the fact he had twelve disciples and there were also twelve tribes of Israel, one disciple per tribe.  I am thinking the plan was each was picked for a specific tribe.   Very symbolic of the continuity of Godís plan for salvation.  The second part of this simple sentence is where he tells them what he is empowering them to do in Godís name and for God. 
This of being one of these twelve that had followed Jesus and you are now getting told what gifts will be theirs; to help them teach and spread the words. 

My personal thought on this is they just found out they have moved from mere disciples to his Apostles. Amazing how this one sentence how so much power to it.
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2020, 03:38:00 pm »
atthew was a Jew, a tax collector, one who could write in shorthand. His gospel shows us Jesus as a Jew. Mark shows Jesus as the suffering servant, Luke a doctor brings us Jesus as a man and John, the Beloved John, brings us Jesus as GOD. Each Gospel is different because of these viewpoints of each man. Therefore, the genealogy of Matthew in chapter 1 comes from the viewpoint from Abraham down. Mark had none and Luke brought the genealogy from man (Adam) and John in John 1:1-2 brings us God's genealogy from eternity past.

Mark, another little tidbit is that all of these writers had words exclusively that appeared in their gospels. while it is a study all it own, these prove that a higher being, Jesus was the author. Like the seven churches in Revelation, each of these writers were specifically picked by Jesus for a reason and we see this come out reading their gospels through the eyes of a Jewish Rabbi. 

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Love this extra information.  Just adds to my research folder.   
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2020, 03:45:43 pm »
atthew was a Jew, a tax collector, one who could write in shorthand. His gospel shows us Jesus as a Jew. Mark shows Jesus as the suffering servant, Luke a doctor brings us Jesus as a man and John, the Beloved John, brings us Jesus as GOD. Each Gospel is different because of these viewpoints of each man. Therefore, the genealogy of Matthew in chapter 1 comes from the viewpoint from Abraham down. Mark had none and Luke brought the genealogy from man (Adam) and John in John 1:1-2 brings us God's genealogy from eternity past.

Mark, another little tidbit is that all of these writers had words exclusively that appeared in their gospels. while it is a study all it own, these prove that a higher being, Jesus was the author. Like the seven churches in Revelation, each of these writers were specifically picked by Jesus for a reason and we see this come out reading their gospels through the eyes of a Jewish Rabbi. 

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Love this extra information.  Just adds to my research folder.
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thank you for the kind words.

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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2020, 10:58:46 pm »
Here is a more complete, but still a draft of Matthew 10:1

10:1   And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Jesus call his twelve disciples to him; this strikes me as initial answer to a prayer for the lord to send workers.  I am not sure if it was to send him workers or just generally.   If you go back to Matthew 9:38 it seems more that he is asking the Lord to send his disciples out into the harvest and the harvest being the masses of people coming to his teachings.   This also made me reflect on the fact he had twelve disciples and there were also twelve tribes of Israel, one disciple per tribe.  I am thinking the plan was each was picked for a specific tribe.   Very symbolic of the continuity of Godís plan for salvation.  The second part of this simple sentence is where he tells them what he is empowering them to do in Godís name and for God. 

This of course being one of these twelve that had followed Jesus and you are now getting told what gifts will be theirs; to help them teach and spread the words.  My personal thought on this is they just found out they have moved from mere disciples to his Apostles.   
Amazing how this one sentence how so much power to it.

Is Matthew 10:1 have any parallels?   Yes, the basic same opening line can be found in Mark and Luke.   Mark 6:7  ďAnd he called the twelve and began to send them out two by two, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits.Ē (ESV)  In Luke 9:1 The bible states
ďAnd he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases.Ē (ESV) Compare this to Matthew 10:1 that states: ďAnd he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction.Ē (ESV) 

You will even find reference to this open in the Gospel of the Ebionites 1, and a apocryphal gospel.  So as you can see, while this is just a simple sentence to the start of chapter ten of Matthew.  It is a opening sentence to what is a very important discourse of Jesus that can be found in part of in whole in multiple books of the Bible and in the Apocrypha. The only line full readable in the sources I have is: ď'There was a certain man named Jesus, and he was about thirty years old, who chose us.Ē

He has chosen 12 and empowered them  His next task is to give us the lineage, much like in Genesis of his twelve chosen.  This will be looked at next !0:2 to 10:4.

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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2020, 06:50:31 pm »
We move now into 10:2-4 in Matthew as we continue examining the second discourse in Matthew

Jesus has chosen 12 and has empowered them.  Jesusí next task is to give us the names of the twelve and, in some cases, a slight lineage, much like in Genesis, but of his twelve chosen.  This will be looked at next: 10:2 to 10:4. Keep in mind that 10:1 is directly associated with 10:2-4.  Most commentaries review all these four statements together. I have chosen to break it into two parts so I can concentrate more review on this part of it.

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