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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2020, 04:22:29 pm »
In what manner do you mean "the Body of Christ"?  I think I know but wish to make sure before forming a response.
Say each prayer as if it is your very last conversation with God and live each day as your last day to glorify God by your actions and words.”

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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2020, 09:06:43 pm »
In what manner do you mean "the Body of Christ"?  I think I know but wish to make sure before forming a response.

Will wait for the "Body of Christ" def. from PJ and your response to PJ. 

However, the Gospel of Jesus was not spoken until after the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. It was not even spoken of in Matthew for the new dispensation of Grace began in Acts 1:1

On the other hand, The dispensation of the Law was over at the beginning of John the Baptist.

and the Dispensation of the Kingdom of God began at this time and only lasted while Jesus was preaching throughout.

Jesus preached the Kingdom of Heaven (Millennium) during the first part of Matthew and only through Matthew are we told about it. I believe that Jesus being Fully God and Fully man at birth had abdicated his divine nature as long as he was a man on earth. He actually believe the kingdom of Heaven was at hand and if the Jews had accepted him we would have a very different world today. Yet, the plan of GOD was not to let the Millennium begin in the first century but rather in the far future. We have been at 2000 years and holding for the millennium to get here.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2020, 11:56:02 pm »
good post
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2020, 12:24:48 am »
In what manner do you mean "the Body of Christ"?  I think I know but wish to make sure before forming a response.
The Body Of Christ (BOC) is the church - we are the body of Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:12-27 KJV -

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.




WHO IS “THE BRIDE OF CHRIST?”
by Shawn Brasseaux

https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.org/2014/09/19/bride-of-christ/

Is the Church the Body of Christ “the Bride of Christ?” Many denominationalists, and even some professing “Pauline dispensationalists,” answer that question in the affirmative. Beloved, let us search the Scriptures. We should not repeat what we have heard in church all of our lives, without first consulting the living and written Word of God. It is shocking to learn that the Bible usually does not say what people often presume it says.

Never once in the King James Bible do we find the term, “the Bride of Christ.” That is a religious term, and frankly, it is a core doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. Furthermore, never once does the Bible refer to the Church the Body of Christ as “the Bride of Christ.” This should indicate to us that it is nothing more than a man-made concept, a tradition of men, aimed at deceiving and robbing us of the clarity of God’s Word, and furthering a man-made theological system. “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ” (Colossians 2:8).

We do find in our King James Bible the following phrases and terms: “the marriage supper of the Lamb” (Revelation 19:7,9), “the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband” (Revelation 21:2), and “the Lamb’s wife” (Revelation 21:9). A marriage is certainly occurring in the closing chapters of the book of the Revelation, but who is marrying whom? We should not rip these verses out of their contexts and fabricate the identity of the bride and the groom (unless, of course, we seek to advance a denominational system rather than the simple teachings of Scripture!).

In the following Old Testament prophets, JEHOVAH God clearly referred to the nation Israel as His wife, and He her Husband:

Jeremiah 2:32: “Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people [Israel] have forgotten me days without number.”
Jeremiah 3:14,20: “[14] Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: [20] Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.”
Isaiah 54:5-6: “[5] For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. [6] For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.”
The book of Hosea recalls how JEHOVAH married the nation Israel when He brought her out of Egyptian slavery (and made the Old Covenant, Law, with them, in Exodus chapter 24). Hosea also recounts how Israel became unfaithful to Him as a wife would cheat on her husband. Israel polluted herself with the idols of her pagan neighbors; she willfully went after other gods. Eventually, God had to divorce Israel; essentially, He sent her into Gentile captivity, exemplified most fully in the book of Lamentations, when Jerusalem was destroyed 586 B.C.

Hosea 2:15-23 summarizes how JEHOVAH will forgive Israel of her sins, restore her, remarry her, bring her back into her homeland (the Promised Land), where she will be His earthly people forever: “[15] And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt. [16] And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi [“my husband”]; and shalt call me no more Baali. [17] For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name. [18] And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely. [19] And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies. [20] I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD. [21] And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth; [22] And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel. [23] And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.”

Jeremiah chapter 31 explains how God will forgive Israel of her sins: “[31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD.” Again, JEHOVAH says that He was Israel’s husband.

God wanted the nation Israel to be His nation in the earth (see Exodus 19:5-6; Psalm 37:11; Isaiah 2:1-4; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 5:10; et al.). Israel is His earthly nation, and the way God will rule over the earth is through redeemed Israel. The planet Earth that Satan has polluted will one day be redeemed. God will save the nation Israel and marry her to the land, the Promised Land, the land of Canaan, thus marrying Himself to that land as well.

Isaiah 62:1-5 proceeds to explain: “[1] For Zion’s sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. [2] And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. [3] Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. [4] Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah [“my delight is in her”], and thy land Beulah [“married”]: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. [5] For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.”

So, to summarize the above Old Testament passages, Jesus Christ will return to Earth one day, to restore the nation Israel, to redeem her and make her His earthly people (the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34, Romans 11:26-29, Hebrews 8:8-13, and Hebrews 10:15-17). At that time, JEHOVAH God will fulfill the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 12:1-3) to evangelize Gentiles through Israel, the Palestinian Covenant (Genesis 15:18-21) to give Israel her land, and the Davidic Covenant (2 Samuel 7:12-16) to give Israel her literal, physical, visible kingdom after David’s royal bloodline. The way Jesus Christ will restore Earth unto Himself is by using the nation Israel in her kingdom (called the “1000-year reign,” “Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ,” “kingdom of heaven,” to name a few titles). These passages interpret the marriage situation in the book of the Revelation (the verses we mentioned at the beginning of this study). Let us return to these verses in Revelation and comment on them in light of what we read from the Old Testament prophets. Notice how that, rather than fabricating something to explain Revelation’s “marriage” passages, we have consulted what God wrote centuries prior, so we are on solid footing when we explain John’s words in Revelation!

Please read Revelation 19:7-9: “[7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. [9] And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.”

Considering the Old Testament prophets’ words about Israel waiting for JEHOVAH to remarry her, who would most likely be the “wife” of the Lamb here in Revelation? All we have to do is remember what God’s Word said in other books, and the answer becomes clear. The next several verses discuss Jesus Christ returning to planet Earth, fighting Israel’s enemies; the following chapters elaborate on Jesus Christ reigning on the Earth with the nation Israel. The “saints” of Revelation 19:8 would be those believing Jews that survived the seven-year Tribulation period; they will form redeemed Israel, the Jews who will inherit the covenants and promises made to Israel’s patriarchs through the Old Testament. Friends, the book of the Revelation has nothing to do with us. It was written by John, an apostle of Israel (Revelation 1:1; cf. Galatians 2:9), and the book of the Revelation is to and about Israel: it does not concern us.

In Revelation 21:1-4,9-10 we read: “[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. [4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [9] And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. [10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,…”

If the Bible says, “I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife,” and the next vision is that of “that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,” what would be the “Lamb’s wife” here? It would the New Jerusalem, the Holy Jerusalem, the Jerusalem currently in heaven (Hebrews 12:18-24) that will come down to Earth; it was this heavenly Jerusalem that Abraham and the other Old Testament saints anticipated (Hebrews 11:10,16,39,40). Overall, the idea of the marriage between JEHOVAH and Israel is actually Him marrying Israel to the land and thus marrying Himself to her land. It is not difficult to understand if we are open to God’s Word correcting our distorted views courtesy of religious tradition.

THREE COMMON OBJECTIONS ANSWERED

At this point, three common objections are raised. The first is, “Did not Paul liken our relationship to Jesus Christ as a wife married to her husband, in Ephesians chapter 5?” The second, “Did not Paul say that we were married to Jesus Christ in Romans chapter 7?” The third, “Did not Paul say that we need to be a pure virgin for Jesus Christ in 2 Corinthians chapter 11?” We believe the Bible has answers to these questions, and we would be more than eager to share those verses. However, we must be mindful not to read something into the Bible text (which is what denominationalists are trained to do).

Ephesians 5:25-33 says: “[25] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; [26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, [27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. [28] So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. [29] For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: [30] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. [31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. [32] This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. [33] Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.”

Indeed, the Bible does teach that the marriage relationship between the husband and his wife should reflect and resemble, the loving, tender, selfless union between the Lord Jesus Christ (our Head; Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18; Colossians 2:19) and us (His Body; 1 Corinthians 12:12-13,27; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:24). However, we never read in the above passage that we are Jesus Christ’s “wife” or His “bride.” We have already seen the Scriptures’ testimony that Israel is the wife of JEHOVAH (the Lord Jesus Christ)—does JEHOVAH have two wives or does He have one? The Bible calls Israel JEHOVAH’S “wife,” but it never calls us His wife; if words mean anything (and we have no denominational agenda to promote), we conclude that we are not JEHOVAH’S wife but rather that Israel is His wife. Ephesians chapter 5 is describing how marriage is designed to function, and the way to understand the marriage relationship is to see how Jesus Christ and His Body (us) interact with each other—the respective roles, the attitudes of each toward one another, et cetera.

Romans 7:1-4 says: “[1] Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”

Certainly, Romans 7:4 says that we are “married” (present tense) to Jesus Christ. In that case, Revelation would certainly not apply to us; Revelation describes a future marriage! The Church the Body of Christ is certainly joined (“married”) to Jesus Christ—otherwise, the members of the Body would not be saved unto eternal life! All Romans chapter 7 is discussing is how we are free from the Law, dead to the law of sin and dead works, not bound to live the Christian life in our flesh and energy. We are joined to Jesus Christ, and it is His life, not our life, His performance, not our performance (further discussed in chapter 8). To use this passage to teach that we are the “Bride of Christ” is to read something into the text. Romans chapter 7 is not designed to teach marriage in the Dispensation of Grace—that would be 1 Corinthians chapter 7.

In 2 Corinthians 11:1-4, we read: “[1] Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. [2] For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. [3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. [4] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”

Dear friends, here again, we read no terminology about us being the “Bride of Christ.” What Paul is doing in verse 2 is using a simile, likening us to being spiritually (doctrinally) pure as a chaste virgin would be sexually pure. False teachers had crept into Corinth, and throughout this chapter (11), we read about how the Corinthians enjoyed being misled. Paul warned them that he was jealous over them with a godly jealousy—he did not want some false religious system to corrupt them. He wanted them to abandon and avoid false religion (see 2 Corinthians 6:14-18). In the above verses, we read how Satan would use the same tactics he used to mislead Eve, to mislead us. Satan would quote Bible, but misquote it, ignoring the dispensational layout (see Psalm 91:11-12; Matthew 4:6; Luke 4:10-11). The Devil would cause us to follow “another Jesus” (as in His earthly ministry; 2 Corinthians 5:16) instead of following the Jesus Christ whom Paul preached (His heavenly ministry, “Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery;” Romans 16:25). Satan would cause us to follow “another spirit” (as in the “spirit of bondage,” law; Romans 8:15; Galatians 5:1-5) and ignore the spirit that Paul preached (grace; Romans 6:14-15). The Devil would cause us to follow “another gospel” (as in the Gospel of the Kingdom; Matthew 9:35; cf. Matthew 4:17; Matthew 10:5-7) but to ignore the Gospel of Grace that Paul preached (Acts 20:24; Romans 2:16; Galatians 2:2; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The Church the Body of Christ is in such shambles doctrinally today, in such confusion, because it has allowed Satan and his policy of evil (religious tradition) to corrupt them. Most Christians today are not “rightly dividing the word of truth” as 2 Timothy 2:15 says; they are mixing the dispensations in God’s Word and making Bible study burdensome. I know; I used to be a part of that system myself!

CONCLUSION

The Bible never calls the Body of Christ “the Bride of Christ” (that is religious tradition, and, beloved, it will profit us nothing in eternity). To use a concept that relates exclusively to Israel and use it to apply to us, is to place ourselves on a slippery slope of confusing ourselves with Israel, and we run the risk of falling into the trap of the damnable doctrine of “Replacement Theology!” (See our related study at the end of this article.)

However, the Bible does say that Jesus Christ will marry someone. This is what we want to focus on; we ignore the religious tradition. Believing Jews who will survive the seven-year Tribulation, Daniel’s 70th week, will stand on Earth and see Jesus Christ return at His Second Coming (see Zechariah 12:10 and Zechariah 13:8-9). These believing Jews will be married to Jesus Christ (JEHOVAH God the Son in the flesh) at His Second Coming—Revelation 19:7 says, “the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.” (We deal with the “Marriage Supper of the Lamb” in another study; see the link at the end of this article.)

According to Revelation 21:9-10, the “Lamb’s wife” is the New Jerusalem, the Heavenly Jerusalem—Israel’s redeemed capital city, and her Promised Land—which will come down from heaven and land on Earth. By marrying the nation Israel, the Lord Jesus Christ (the JEHOVAH of the Old Testament) will marry Himself to her land, the Promised Land. These are the concepts being advanced regarding the marriage of Revelation chapters 19 and 21. We can either believe the testimony of the Scriptures, or we can continue with our church tradition. I prefer to believe God, and let His critics be the liars (Romans 3:4). You?
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2020, 05:40:21 pm »
Okay, you are going to have to give me a day to diguest this and do research in Matthew.  That is allot to work through and refresh my memory.
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2020, 01:18:28 pm »
Still working on a reply that is appropriate for the amount of information you provided.

The short answer is yes and no Matthew addresses the body of Christ, but not in an as open and obvious way as the scriptures you quoted.  The issue I have is you are quoting scripture that supports Paul's BOC ideals, and Matthew during the five discourses are discussing Jesus' teaching, there was no BOC per se to refer to at that time.  Just the possibilities of it in the very near future.  This makes finding a direct reference very difficult.  However, that said I believe once I finish reviewing and comparing, you will see that even Jesus knew these teachings of Paul in the future would be important.

Again  just my humble opinion.  I am assuming your scripture quotes are all from the KJV?
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2020, 02:30:31 pm »
My short answer is NO Matthew, in fact none of the four Gospels address the BOC directly.  You can make a case for indirect hints for it to come later on, but even that is a stretch.
In your reply on the Body of Christ (BOC) you quote 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, Colossians 2, Revelation 19:7,9,  Revelation 21:2,  Revelation 21:9,  Jeremiah 2:32, Jeremiah 3:14, 20, Isaiah 54:5-6, Hosea 2:15-23, Jeremiah 31,  and many many more. 

My first statement from purely academic viewpoint and not from a purely faithful believer is that Matthew is a Canonical Gospel and almost all the quoted scriptures are canonical books not deemed Gospels.  More or less, they are in support of and the stories leading up to and after the Canonical Gospels.  The Gospels are always given precedents over the rest.  We all know no one book is more important that the other though.  They just have different parts of the complete story to tell in the totality of the founding and understanding of the Christian religion. 
So, let me break down some basics on your reply.  There is  approximately 63 scriptures quoted.  Of those 15 were from the Old Testament, and of the OT three were from the Pentateuch (first five books of the OT) part of the OT.   There was 48 from the New Testament, with five being quotes of scriptures from Matthew. 

The quoted scriptures from Matthew are:  4:6  4:17  5:5  9:35  10:5-7

Your question to me was:  Was the Body Of Christ introduced in Matthew like in Paul's epistles?

So back to the short answer – No.  I am in agreement with Blade, the concept of the BOC would not been introduced in the Gospels just yet.   
These are the quoted scriptures from Matthew in your reply:

4:6   And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

4:17   From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

5:5   Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

9:35   And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

10:5   These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:          
10:6   But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.          
10:7   And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.         

As you can see, even though Matthew is quoted in your reply, there is no reference in any manner to the BOC.   The closest I found was Matthew 16:17-19 and 18:17. These are the mentions of the Church and Peter.  Not a direct mention of the Church and the BOC as you, I believe, have implied as I understand what you are asking. 

I will include a quoted text from a doctrine journal just for a little food for thought type.  While I do not agree with all Pauline dogma on the BOC, I think it has a valid time and place, as well as any other theology out there.  I have always struggled with BOC so I admit that this reply is probably lacking in actually answering your question.

Three major problems exist for the traditional view. The first is God explicitly stated through the apostle Paul that the Church, the Body of Christ, was a “secret,” (μυστήριον). This presents a serious problem for the traditional view because Paul made this declaration long after Pentecost.
The second problem confirms the first point. No Biblical evidence exists to support the view that anyone at Pentecost recognized that the Church, i.e., the Body of Christ, had come into existence. On the contrary, the Scriptural evidence indicates at Pentecost the Twelve knew nothing about the Body of Christ. Peter only addressed Jews. But Paul declared the Church was that organism in which Jew and Gentile are equal. Peter obviously did not know this else he would have addressed Gentiles. Furthermore, only Paul wrote about the Body of Christ (Romans 12.5; 1 Corinthians 10.16, 17, 12.12, 13, 18, 25, 27; Ephesians 1.23, 2.16, 3.6, 4.4, 12, 16, 5.30; Colossians 1.18, 2.17, 19, 3.15). Such terminology is absent from the Gospels and the letters of Peter, James, John, Jude.

 
Hope this is at least a reasonable reply. 
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2020, 11:58:21 pm »
In what manner do you mean "the Body of Christ"?  I think I know but wish to make sure before forming a response.
The Body Of Christ (BOC) is the church - we are the body of Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:12-27 KJV -

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.




WHO IS “THE BRIDE OF CHRIST?”
by Shawn Brasseaux

https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.org/2014/09/19/bride-of-christ/

Is the Church the Body of Christ “the Bride of Christ?” Many denominationalists, and even some professing “Pauline dispensationalists,” answer that question in the affirmative. Beloved, let us search the Scriptures. We should not repeat what we have heard in church all of our lives, without first consulting the living and written Word of God. It is shocking to learn that the Bible usually does not say what people often presume it says.

Never once in the King James Bible do we find the term, “the Bride of Christ.” That is a religious term, and frankly, it is a core doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. Furthermore, never once does the Bible refer to the Church the Body of Christ as “the Bride of Christ.” This should indicate to us that it is nothing more than a man-made concept, a tradition of men, aimed at deceiving and robbing us of the clarity of God’s Word, and furthering a man-made theological system. “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ” (Colossians 2:8).

We do find in our King James Bible the following phrases and terms: “the marriage supper of the Lamb” (Revelation 19:7,9), “the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband” (Revelation 21:2), and “the Lamb’s wife” (Revelation 21:9). A marriage is certainly occurring in the closing chapters of the book of the Revelation, but who is marrying whom? We should not rip these verses out of their contexts and fabricate the identity of the bride and the groom (unless, of course, we seek to advance a denominational system rather than the simple teachings of Scripture!).

In the following Old Testament prophets, JEHOVAH God clearly referred to the nation Israel as His wife, and He her Husband:

Jeremiah 2:32: “Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people [Israel] have forgotten me days without number.”
Jeremiah 3:14,20: “[14] Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: [20] Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.”
Isaiah 54:5-6: “[5] For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. [6] For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.”
The book of Hosea recalls how JEHOVAH married the nation Israel when He brought her out of Egyptian slavery (and made the Old Covenant, Law, with them, in Exodus chapter 24). Hosea also recounts how Israel became unfaithful to Him as a wife would cheat on her husband. Israel polluted herself with the idols of her pagan neighbors; she willfully went after other gods. Eventually, God had to divorce Israel; essentially, He sent her into Gentile captivity, exemplified most fully in the book of Lamentations, when Jerusalem was destroyed 586 B.C.

Hosea 2:15-23 summarizes how JEHOVAH will forgive Israel of her sins, restore her, remarry her, bring her back into her homeland (the Promised Land), where she will be His earthly people forever: “[15] And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt. [16] And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi [“my husband”]; and shalt call me no more Baali. [17] For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name. [18] And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely. [19] And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies. [20] I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD. [21] And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth; [22] And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel. [23] And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.”

Jeremiah chapter 31 explains how God will forgive Israel of her sins: “[31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD.” Again, JEHOVAH says that He was Israel’s husband.

God wanted the nation Israel to be His nation in the earth (see Exodus 19:5-6; Psalm 37:11; Isaiah 2:1-4; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 5:10; et al.). Israel is His earthly nation, and the way God will rule over the earth is through redeemed Israel. The planet Earth that Satan has polluted will one day be redeemed. God will save the nation Israel and marry her to the land, the Promised Land, the land of Canaan, thus marrying Himself to that land as well.

Isaiah 62:1-5 proceeds to explain: “[1] For Zion’s sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. [2] And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. [3] Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. [4] Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah [“my delight is in her”], and thy land Beulah [“married”]: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. [5] For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.”

So, to summarize the above Old Testament passages, Jesus Christ will return to Earth one day, to restore the nation Israel, to redeem her and make her His earthly people (the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34, Romans 11:26-29, Hebrews 8:8-13, and Hebrews 10:15-17). At that time, JEHOVAH God will fulfill the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 12:1-3) to evangelize Gentiles through Israel, the Palestinian Covenant (Genesis 15:18-21) to give Israel her land, and the Davidic Covenant (2 Samuel 7:12-16) to give Israel her literal, physical, visible kingdom after David’s royal bloodline. The way Jesus Christ will restore Earth unto Himself is by using the nation Israel in her kingdom (called the “1000-year reign,” “Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ,” “kingdom of heaven,” to name a few titles). These passages interpret the marriage situation in the book of the Revelation (the verses we mentioned at the beginning of this study). Let us return to these verses in Revelation and comment on them in light of what we read from the Old Testament prophets. Notice how that, rather than fabricating something to explain Revelation’s “marriage” passages, we have consulted what God wrote centuries prior, so we are on solid footing when we explain John’s words in Revelation!

Please read Revelation 19:7-9: “[7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. [9] And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.”

Considering the Old Testament prophets’ words about Israel waiting for JEHOVAH to remarry her, who would most likely be the “wife” of the Lamb here in Revelation? All we have to do is remember what God’s Word said in other books, and the answer becomes clear. The next several verses discuss Jesus Christ returning to planet Earth, fighting Israel’s enemies; the following chapters elaborate on Jesus Christ reigning on the Earth with the nation Israel. The “saints” of Revelation 19:8 would be those believing Jews that survived the seven-year Tribulation period; they will form redeemed Israel, the Jews who will inherit the covenants and promises made to Israel’s patriarchs through the Old Testament. Friends, the book of the Revelation has nothing to do with us. It was written by John, an apostle of Israel (Revelation 1:1; cf. Galatians 2:9), and the book of the Revelation is to and about Israel: it does not concern us.

In Revelation 21:1-4,9-10 we read: “[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. [4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [9] And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. [10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,…”

If the Bible says, “I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife,” and the next vision is that of “that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,” what would be the “Lamb’s wife” here? It would the New Jerusalem, the Holy Jerusalem, the Jerusalem currently in heaven (Hebrews 12:18-24) that will come down to Earth; it was this heavenly Jerusalem that Abraham and the other Old Testament saints anticipated (Hebrews 11:10,16,39,40). Overall, the idea of the marriage between JEHOVAH and Israel is actually Him marrying Israel to the land and thus marrying Himself to her land. It is not difficult to understand if we are open to God’s Word correcting our distorted views courtesy of religious tradition.

THREE COMMON OBJECTIONS ANSWERED

At this point, three common objections are raised. The first is, “Did not Paul liken our relationship to Jesus Christ as a wife married to her husband, in Ephesians chapter 5?” The second, “Did not Paul say that we were married to Jesus Christ in Romans chapter 7?” The third, “Did not Paul say that we need to be a pure virgin for Jesus Christ in 2 Corinthians chapter 11?” We believe the Bible has answers to these questions, and we would be more than eager to share those verses. However, we must be mindful not to read something into the Bible text (which is what denominationalists are trained to do).

Ephesians 5:25-33 says: “[25] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; [26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, [27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. [28] So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. [29] For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: [30] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. [31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. [32] This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. [33] Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.”

Indeed, the Bible does teach that the marriage relationship between the husband and his wife should reflect and resemble, the loving, tender, selfless union between the Lord Jesus Christ (our Head; Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18; Colossians 2:19) and us (His Body; 1 Corinthians 12:12-13,27; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:24). However, we never read in the above passage that we are Jesus Christ’s “wife” or His “bride.” We have already seen the Scriptures’ testimony that Israel is the wife of JEHOVAH (the Lord Jesus Christ)—does JEHOVAH have two wives or does He have one? The Bible calls Israel JEHOVAH’S “wife,” but it never calls us His wife; if words mean anything (and we have no denominational agenda to promote), we conclude that we are not JEHOVAH’S wife but rather that Israel is His wife. Ephesians chapter 5 is describing how marriage is designed to function, and the way to understand the marriage relationship is to see how Jesus Christ and His Body (us) interact with each other—the respective roles, the attitudes of each toward one another, et cetera.

Romans 7:1-4 says: “[1] Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? [2] For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”

Certainly, Romans 7:4 says that we are “married” (present tense) to Jesus Christ. In that case, Revelation would certainly not apply to us; Revelation describes a future marriage! The Church the Body of Christ is certainly joined (“married”) to Jesus Christ—otherwise, the members of the Body would not be saved unto eternal life! All Romans chapter 7 is discussing is how we are free from the Law, dead to the law of sin and dead works, not bound to live the Christian life in our flesh and energy. We are joined to Jesus Christ, and it is His life, not our life, His performance, not our performance (further discussed in chapter 8). To use this passage to teach that we are the “Bride of Christ” is to read something into the text. Romans chapter 7 is not designed to teach marriage in the Dispensation of Grace—that would be 1 Corinthians chapter 7.

In 2 Corinthians 11:1-4, we read: “[1] Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. [2] For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. [3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. [4] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”

Dear friends, here again, we read no terminology about us being the “Bride of Christ.” What Paul is doing in verse 2 is using a simile, likening us to being spiritually (doctrinally) pure as a chaste virgin would be sexually pure. False teachers had crept into Corinth, and throughout this chapter (11), we read about how the Corinthians enjoyed being misled. Paul warned them that he was jealous over them with a godly jealousy—he did not want some false religious system to corrupt them. He wanted them to abandon and avoid false religion (see 2 Corinthians 6:14-18). In the above verses, we read how Satan would use the same tactics he used to mislead Eve, to mislead us. Satan would quote Bible, but misquote it, ignoring the dispensational layout (see Psalm 91:11-12; Matthew 4:6; Luke 4:10-11). The Devil would cause us to follow “another Jesus” (as in His earthly ministry; 2 Corinthians 5:16) instead of following the Jesus Christ whom Paul preached (His heavenly ministry, “Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery;” Romans 16:25). Satan would cause us to follow “another spirit” (as in the “spirit of bondage,” law; Romans 8:15; Galatians 5:1-5) and ignore the spirit that Paul preached (grace; Romans 6:14-15). The Devil would cause us to follow “another gospel” (as in the Gospel of the Kingdom; Matthew 9:35; cf. Matthew 4:17; Matthew 10:5-7) but to ignore the Gospel of Grace that Paul preached (Acts 20:24; Romans 2:16; Galatians 2:2; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The Church the Body of Christ is in such shambles doctrinally today, in such confusion, because it has allowed Satan and his policy of evil (religious tradition) to corrupt them. Most Christians today are not “rightly dividing the word of truth” as 2 Timothy 2:15 says; they are mixing the dispensations in God’s Word and making Bible study burdensome. I know; I used to be a part of that system myself!

CONCLUSION

The Bible never calls the Body of Christ “the Bride of Christ” (that is religious tradition, and, beloved, it will profit us nothing in eternity). To use a concept that relates exclusively to Israel and use it to apply to us, is to place ourselves on a slippery slope of confusing ourselves with Israel, and we run the risk of falling into the trap of the damnable doctrine of “Replacement Theology!” (See our related study at the end of this article.)

However, the Bible does say that Jesus Christ will marry someone. This is what we want to focus on; we ignore the religious tradition. Believing Jews who will survive the seven-year Tribulation, Daniel’s 70th week, will stand on Earth and see Jesus Christ return at His Second Coming (see Zechariah 12:10 and Zechariah 13:8-9). These believing Jews will be married to Jesus Christ (JEHOVAH God the Son in the flesh) at His Second Coming—Revelation 19:7 says, “the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.” (We deal with the “Marriage Supper of the Lamb” in another study; see the link at the end of this article.)

According to Revelation 21:9-10, the “Lamb’s wife” is the New Jerusalem, the Heavenly Jerusalem—Israel’s redeemed capital city, and her Promised Land—which will come down from heaven and land on Earth. By marrying the nation Israel, the Lord Jesus Christ (the JEHOVAH of the Old Testament) will marry Himself to her land, the Promised Land. These are the concepts being advanced regarding the marriage of Revelation chapters 19 and 21. We can either believe the testimony of the Scriptures, or we can continue with our church tradition. I prefer to believe God, and let His critics be the liars (Romans 3:4). You?


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First of all, Mark you had a very good post. kudos

I came back to the original question  and from what I understand it is:
"WHO IS “THE BRIDE OF CHRIST?” and by extension, " What is "the Church"? 

Let me answer PJ's first and then Mark I would like to speak to the "doctrine Journal" you posted.

PJ. Simply The Bride of Christ is the "Body of Christ" Yes, the Bride of Christ is not mentioned by these words yet it is still in the Bible. In 2Cor 11:21 “For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.” It appears in this scripture that God, the Father is the one speaking to Paul. This is in alignment with the ancient Jewish wedding. We can discuss this if needed but the Bible is two stories of two marriages, God, The Father to the Israel Nation and Jesus to the members of His Spiritual Church.


We  already know the "church" is the one Jesus Christ spoke about in Mat 16:18.."And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.".   contrary to many, the "rock" is Jesus Not Peter (Psa 28:1). Peter's name means stone...a minute difference but a difference none the less.

Psa 28:1[[A Psalm of David.]] " Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit."

Thus, the Church is a spiritual (only) church. I say this as there is one if not several more brick and mortar churches that make the claim they are this church Jesus made (i.e. "Church of Christ"). Of, course this is a falsehood.

We also know that those in His Church consist of both Jews and Gentiles who are saved through the Grace of Jesus Christ by faith and faith alone.  They also are the same ones who have received the Holy Spirit following  their Justification.

The biggest question is when did the Church begin. Mark, the Journal you submitted remarks:

" The first is God explicitly stated through the apostle Paul that the Church, the Body of Christ, was a “secret,” (μυστήριον). This presents a serious problem for the traditional view because Paul made this declaration long after Pentecost." The traditional view being the Church started in Acts 2.

It further states " No Biblical evidence exists to support the view that anyone at Pentecost recognized that the Church, i.e., the Body of Christ, had come into existence.".

Thus, nobody is saved unless they know about this spiritual Church with which they will be part of?  Don’t think that was one of the requirements for justification.

The thousands that had received justification and the Holy Spirit (mostly all Jewish) before Paul announced the secret are part of another spiritual church. Who made this church?

What about all the Jews that receive justification after Paul announces His secret? I thought Jew and Gentiles were alike yet we have a group of people whose Soteriology places these saved Jews into another spiritual church.

And the third point " But Paul declared the Church was that organism in which Jew and Gentile are equal. Peter obviously did not know this else he would have addressed Gentiles."

In Acts 2:38, Jesus had already told Peter that the baptism was not by immersion but rather by “in the name of Jesus Christ”.

In Acts 2:41, three thousand Jewish souls received the Holy Spirit and in Acts 10:45-48 where the first gentile was justified.

Personally, anything less than including Jew and Gentile into the spiritual Church of Jesus Christ is Anti-semitism pure and simple.

If the Beginning of His Church is in “Mid Acts vs Acts 2” somewhere and it includes all who believe in Jesus Christ including Jew and Gentile alike, it really does not matter when it started.

Because it was mystery does not mean the church does not accept anyone who receive justification.

Let me add something else for in the article P.J.posted, the author had a problem believing the Wedding of Jesus with His Bride (the Church). The Jewish traditions established by GOD may be ignored by both Jewish and Gentile but GOD does not forget it. In fact, the Jewish Wedding Idiom with which Jesus Christ will marry His Bride, connects both OT and NT intimately.


1. “Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. [2] For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. “
 
Dear friends, here again, we read no terminology about us being the “Bride of Christ.” What Paul is doing in verse 2 is using a simile, likening us to being spiritually (doctrinally) pure as a chaste virgin would be sexually pure.


In my opinion, the terminology is overwhelming reading it literally and historically. The whole setup is an idiom where Bride of course is not a virgin but under a Jewish Priest could not marry a divorced woman. Thus, Jesus died for the sins of the (body of Christ) cleansed them from them forever. The picture here is the Body of Christ when take to heaven and glorified, they will be as a virgin. 

For GOD cannot stand sin and will not accept it in heaven. Thus, His grace cleanses the body and soul for that event. All saints will be as chaste virgins but only those in the Church will be His Body, to become His Bride.

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2020, 02:21:06 am »
To get back to the Discourse. 

Let me go a little further into some foundational information about Matthew before I return to an exam of the Second Discourse.   I chose to start with the second discourse as the first discourse is the Sermon on the mount and has so many books, articles, and viewpoints on it I felt in fairness to the other four to leave it to the last.
All four of the Gospels' original manuscripts are considered written anonymously written.  This does not mean that Matthew was not written by Apostle Matthew, it means there is no valid proof one way or another.  The issue is most of the documents that were taught from were written for a specific church audience.  That audience would know the author, so the name of the author was not part of the manuscript.   Logic tells you though if they were going to attribute this Gospel to any Apostle they could and most likely would have picked one of the better known of the twelve.  Instead, it is attributed to a former tax collector apostle that would be barely known without this Gospel.  Accordingly, you can imagine how in our present time authorship of this as well as the other three Gospels is disputed.

The records show that the first known teaching from Matthew took place in Heirapolis Asia Minor in or about 135 CE by Bishop Papias.  Also, there is a history of this Gospel being used in Lyons in Gaul in 175 CE by Bishop Irenaeus.  One thing you will find as you read Matthew is a lot of it is borrowed from Mark or parallels Mark.   This however presents me with issues as Mark was not an apostle and did not walk with Jesus as Matthew had.  There is no reason for Matthew to borrow anything from Mark.  But, then Mark himself did rely extensively on the testimony and teachings of Peter. In a way by borrowing some of his information from Mark, Matthew just added even more credibility to his Gospel.  Enough credibility it was later selected as one of four Gospel to be made canonical.

What is the book of Matthew then?  It is the book of the Kingdom.  It is the story of Jesus of Nazareth as recorded by the apostle Matthew as an eyewitness to his life.  It is the compelling story as witnessed by Matthew of Jesus as the Messiah. It is the promise of true peace and deliverance to both Jew and Gentile alike.  In a nutshell that is Matthew.
Matthew is set apart from the rest of the Gospels as it spent the majority of the book on the five discourses.  While these are not studied in depth beyond the sermon on the mount, they are none the less important to read and understand all five. 

Matthew 1 is the genealogy of Jesus.  It reads very much as Genesis reads.  It was very important to the Jews of that era to have a record of ancestry.  It was so important the church as well as the family’s kept extensive records of who begot who.  This also notes the virgin birth and follows other prophecies as found in the Old Testament.   
So now we know a little more about the authorship and we have Jesus of Nazareth born and his linage.  Let us now look at the second discourse.   The general overview is this discourse focuses on the disciple’s mission to Israel, preparations for a worldwide mission among the Gentiles, and the characteristics that Jesus’ disciples would need to embody as they carry out these missions.

Check back as I start the break down of the scripture itself.  All the foundation has been laid.

I will gladly accept any comments and questions.
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2020, 10:10:53 am »
To get back to the Discourse. 

Let me go a little further into some foundational information about Matthew before I return to an exam of the Second Discourse.   I chose to start with the second discourse as the first discourse is the Sermon on the mount and has so many books, articles, and viewpoints on it I felt in fairness to the other four to leave it to the last.
All four of the Gospels' original manuscripts are considered written anonymously written.  This does not mean that Matthew was not written by Apostle Matthew, it means there is no valid proof one way or another.  The issue is most of the documents that were taught from were written for a specific church audience.  That audience would know the author, so the name of the author was not part of the manuscript.   Logic tells you though if they were going to attribute this Gospel to any Apostle they could and most likely would have picked one of the better known of the twelve.  Instead, it is attributed to a former tax collector apostle that would be barely known without this Gospel.  Accordingly, you can imagine how in our present time authorship of this as well as the other three Gospels is disputed.

The records show that the first known teaching from Matthew took place in Heirapolis Asia Minor in or about 135 CE by Bishop Papias.  Also, there is a history of this Gospel being used in Lyons in Gaul in 175 CE by Bishop Irenaeus.  One thing you will find as you read Matthew is a lot of it is borrowed from Mark or parallels Mark.   This however presents me with issues as Mark was not an apostle and did not walk with Jesus as Matthew had.  There is no reason for Matthew to borrow anything from Mark.  But, then Mark himself did rely extensively on the testimony and teachings of Peter. In a way by borrowing some of his information from Mark, Matthew just added even more credibility to his Gospel.  Enough credibility it was later selected as one of four Gospel to be made canonical.

What is the book of Matthew then?  It is the book of the Kingdom.  It is the story of Jesus of Nazareth as recorded by the apostle Matthew as an eyewitness to his life.  It is the compelling story as witnessed by Matthew of Jesus as the Messiah. It is the promise of true peace and deliverance to both Jew and Gentile alike.  In a nutshell that is Matthew.
Matthew is set apart from the rest of the Gospels as it spent the majority of the book on the five discourses.  While these are not studied in depth beyond the sermon on the mount, they are none the less important to read and understand all five. 

Matthew 1 is the genealogy of Jesus.  It reads very much as Genesis reads.  It was very important to the Jews of that era to have a record of ancestry.  It was so important the church as well as the family’s kept extensive records of who begot who.  This also notes the virgin birth and follows other prophecies as found in the Old Testament.   
So now we know a little more about the authorship and we have Jesus of Nazareth born and his linage.  Let us now look at the second discourse.   The general overview is this discourse focuses on the disciple’s mission to Israel, preparations for a worldwide mission among the Gentiles, and the characteristics that Jesus’ disciples would need to embody as they carry out these missions.

Check back as I start the break down of the scripture itself.  All the foundation has been laid.

I will gladly accept any comments and questions.

Mark, you said:"All four of the Gospels' original manuscripts are considered written anonymously written. "

I was and am under the impression that all books of the Bible have been autographed with the exception of Hebrews of which there is some controversy as to who wrote it.

Other than this,  I will have to study this post further

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2020, 12:59:24 pm »
It is my understand from purely academically that while they are attribute to specific people,  the actually authorship is still considered anonymously.  Like I tried to explain Matthew is attributed to him as he was teaching this Gospel and it is more likely than not he also wrote it and there really is his Gospel.  Same with the others.   If I remember right, and please correct me if I am wrong, Mark is the only one of the Gospel that actually has solid evidence that Mark wrote it.  The issue always is with most of the Canaoical books is who really author them, Besides Pauls work.

Like I stated original manuscripts were general written for a specific audienc/churrch.  Those hearing the presenter/author knew who he was and that he was author.  The issue came when the manuscript was copied and spread, they did not add  "Written By"  to the manuscripts.  I sure the wish the would have as 2000 years of debating authorship would not have happened and studying scriptures.  Just my humble opinion on part of this.
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2020, 08:25:42 pm »
It is my understand from purely academically that while they are attribute to specific people,  the actually authorship is still considered anonymously.  Like I tried to explain Matthew is attributed to him as he was teaching this Gospel and it is more likely than not he also wrote it and there really is his Gospel.  Same with the others.   If I remember right, and please correct me if I am wrong, Mark is the only one of the Gospel that actually has solid evidence that Mark wrote it.  The issue always is with most of the Canaoical books is who really author them, Besides Pauls work.

Like I stated original manuscripts were general written for a specific audienc/churrch.  Those hearing the presenter/author knew who he was and that he was author.  The issue came when the manuscript was copied and spread, they did not add  "Written By"  to the manuscripts.  I sure the wish the would have as 2000 years of debating authorship would not have happened and studying scriptures.  Just my humble opinion on part of this.

I don't have a problem with it either way. Since I totally believe that Jesus, our Lord and savior authored the entire bible, I really have no doubt that Matthew did indeed pen it for Him. I have no doubt that Jesus made sure you and I got His word which HE authored and not simple words form man.

Matthew was a Jew, a tax collector, one who could write in shorthand. His gospel shows us Jesus as a Jew. Mark shows Jesus as the suffering servant, Luke a doctor brings us Jesus as a man and John, the Beloved John, brings us Jesus as GOD. Each Gospel is different because of these viewpoints of each man. Therefore, the genealogy of Matthew in chapter 1 comes from the viewpoint from Abraham down. Mark had none and Luke brought the genealogy from man (Adam) and John in John 1:1-2 brings us God's genealogy from eternity past.

Mark, another little tidbit is that all of these writers had words exclusively that appeared in their gospels. while it is a study all it own, these prove that a higher being, Jesus was the author. Like the seven churches in Revelation, each of these writers were specifically picked by Jesus for a reason and we see this come out reading their gospels through the eyes of a Jewish Rabbi. 


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