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The Five Discourses of Jesus
« on: August 20, 2020, 08:31:43 pm »
Okay, let's do a little quiz.

Who can list me the scriptures that make up the five discourses of Jesus?
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2020, 11:20:49 pm »
Okay, let's do a little quiz.

Who can list me the scriptures that make up the five discourses of Jesus?

define what you consider 'discourse'  to be?  Mark

I can think of four or five but that is a lot of scripture.

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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2020, 11:39:09 pm »
Fair question.  The five long speeches of jesus in the new testament are considered academically by Christian scholars to be the cornerstone of the teachings of Jesus that are found in the Canonical books.


So based on that discourse would mean speech.
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2020, 11:32:31 pm »
The five discourses as scholars discuss and teach them are all in the book of Matthew.

Discourse 1   The Sermon on the mount  Matthew 5-7
Discourse 2   The Commissioning of the Twelve Apostles  Matthew 10
Discourse 3   The Teaching in parables  Matthew 13
Discourse 4   The talking of the Church (Community discourse)  Matthew 18
Discourse 5   The talking of the End of the Age  Matthew 23-25

There are many others but in most of the school of Christian religion these five are  grouped together as his 5 discourses.

So thought, discussion or other
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2020, 08:12:56 am »
The five discourses as scholars discuss and teach them are all in the book of Matthew.

Discourse 1   The Sermon on the mount  Matthew 5-7
Discourse 2   The Commissioning of the Twelve Apostles  Matthew 10
Discourse 3   The Teaching in parables  Matthew 13
Discourse 4   The talking of the Church (Community discourse)  Matthew 18
Discourse 5   The talking of the End of the Age  Matthew 23-25

There are many others but in most of the school of Christian religion these five are  grouped together as his 5 discourses.

So thought, discussion or other
Off the top of my head I only knew of the sermon on the mount. We should study these and all of Jesus' words.
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2020, 04:08:02 pm »
The commissioning of the 12 I think will be my first discussion examination in here.

Any objections?  I hope to get feedback.
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2020, 05:57:47 pm »
The commissioning of the 12 I think will be my first discussion examination in here.

Any objections?  I hope to get feedback.

go for it  Mark.

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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2020, 07:44:47 pm »
Lets start with a posting of Matthew 10 (KJV)   I chose the KJV first for my brothers and sisters on here that prefer it and for its eloquence.


10:1   And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.          

10:2   Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;          

10:3   Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;          

10:4   Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.          

10:5   These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:          

10:6   But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.          

10:7   And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.          

10:8   Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.          

10:9   Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,         

10:10   Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.          

10:11   And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.          

10:12   And when ye come into an house, salute it.          

10:13   And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.          

10:14   And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.          

10:15   Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.          

10:16   Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.         

10:17   But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;          

10:18   And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.          

10:19   But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.          

10:20   For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.          

10:21   And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.          

10:22   And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.          

10:23   But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.         

10:24   The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.          

10:25   It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?          

10:26   Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.          

10:27   What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.          

10:28   And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.          

10:29   Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.         

10:30   But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.          

10:31   Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.          

10:32   Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.          

10:33   But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.          

10:34   Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.          

10:35   For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.          

10:36   And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.          

10:37   He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.          

10:38   And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.          

10:39   He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.          

10:40   He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.          

10:41   He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.          

10:42   And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.   
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2020, 02:16:45 am »
Let us break this second discourse down a little more to start with.

!0:1  I see this as the choosing and empowerment of the 12.

!0:2-4 is naming the 12

10:5 to 10:15 is the giving of the apostles short term goals.  Giving them their mission if you will

10:16 to 10:25  To me reads as the persecution of the disciples

10:26-33  To me this is the have no fear, I am with you part

10:34-36  Best labeled as division within the households. 

10:37-39  Cost of discipleship

10:40-42  Rewards

11:1  This seems to me to be the actual conclusion to chapter 10 and the second discourse, but it is also used to start chapter 11.

A even more general break down would be
10:1 Choosing and empower
10:2-4  introduction of apostles
10:5-16  Short term goal/mission
10:17-23 Long term goals/mission
10:24-42  Characteristics and traits for all disciples to carry out the mission Jesus charged them with.
and again  11:1 the conclusion.

There is my first steps in breaking this discourse down and examining it.

Any feedback and thoughts are more than welcome
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2020, 09:37:15 pm »
Lets start with a posting of Matthew 10 (KJV)   I chose the KJV first for my brothers and sisters on here that prefer it and for its eloquence.


10:1   And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.          

10:2   Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;          

10:3   Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;          

10:4   Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.          

10:5   These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:          

10:6   But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.          

10:7   And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.          

10:8   Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.          

10:9   Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,         

10:10   Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.          

10:11   And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.          

10:12   And when ye come into an house, salute it.          

10:13   And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.          

10:14   And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.          

10:15   Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.          

10:16   Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.         

10:17   But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;          

10:18   And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.          

10:19   But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.          

10:20   For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.          

10:21   And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.          

10:22   And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.          

10:23   But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.         

10:24   The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.          

10:25   It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?          

10:26   Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.          

10:27   What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.          

10:28   And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.          

10:29   Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.         

10:30   But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.          

10:31   Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.          

10:32   Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.          

10:33   But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.          

10:34   Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.          

10:35   For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.          

10:36   And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.          

10:37   He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.          

10:38   And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.          

10:39   He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.          

10:40   He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.          

10:41   He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.          

10:42   And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Mark, these are powerful words our Lord GOD, Jesus Christ. These words were to only land on the minds of the Jews of Israel during this time. Jesus truly believed the 'Kingdom of Heaven' (millennium today) was at hand and fixing to come to pass.  Yet, while the gentiles of this period did not receive these words, we today have access to them by design. We should consume them, assimilate them as we should every verse of Jesus' word.

Thank you Mark for bringing this to us.

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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2020, 12:50:28 pm »
Let us break this second discourse down a little more to start with.

!0:1  I see this as the choosing and empowerment of the 12.

!0:2-4 is naming the 12

10:5 to 10:15 is the giving of the apostles short term goals.  Giving the their mission if you will

10:16 to 10:25  To me reads as the persecution of the disciples

10:26-33  To me this is the have no fear, I am with you part

10:34-36  Best labeled as division within the households. 

10:37-39  Cost of discipleship

10:40-42  Rewards

11:1  This seems to me to be the actual conclusion to chapter 10 and the second discourse, but it is also used to start chapter 11.

A even more general break down would be
10:1 Choosing and empower
10:2-4  introduction of apostles
10:5-16  Short term goal/mission
10:17-23 Long term goals/mission
10:24-42  Characteristics and traits for all disciples to carry out the mission Jesus charged them with.
and again  11:1 the conclusion.

There is my first steps in breaking this discourse down and examining it.

Any feedback and thoughts are more than welcome
I agree with your breakdown and Jesus covered everything they might think about or experience as Apostles with the power of the holy spirit. He warns them and encourages them and confirms that He is the Son of God again and He is the only Way.
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2020, 12:26:11 am »
Let me go back a little and provided a general overview of Matthew. 

Again, just from my perspective.

First, understand the Gospel of Matthew is the Kingdom Gospel.  It is this Gospel more than the others that tell us of the Kingdom of God.  Explains God’s program, if you will, for the present age, despite the Jewish rejection of his son as the Messiah.  I mean the Gospel was originally written for the Jewish audience/reader.  In its totality it is meant to assure us that Jesus is alive and will return.
The work Kingdom or idea of it appears 54 times in this Gospel.  You will find Old Testament fulfillment passages in this Gospel.   I consider it the best bridge between the Old Testament and the New Testament.  Matthew mentions the Old Testament between 129 and 136 times, depending on the version of the Bible you use.  You also are introduced t to idea of the Church.  The concern for Gentiles is also expressed in this Gospel.  Now more specifically the Instruction to the 12, the Second Discourse, it was meant specifically for the Jews. 
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Re: The Five Discourses of Jesus
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2020, 03:48:43 am »
Let me go back a little and provided a general overview of Matthew. 

Again, just from my perspective.

First, understand the Gospel of Matthew is the Kingdom Gospel.  It is this Gospel more than the others that tell us of the Kingdom of God.  Explains God’s program, if you will, for the present age, despite the Jewish rejection of his son as the Messiah.  I mean the Gospel was originally written for the Jewish audience/reader.  In its totality it is meant to assure us that Jesus is alive and will return.
The work Kingdom or idea of it appears 54 times in this Gospel.  You will find Old Testament fulfillment passages in this Gospel.   I consider it the best bridge between the Old Testament and the New Testament.  Matthew mentions the Old Testament between 129 and 136 times, depending on the version of the Bible you use.  You also are introduced t to idea of the Church.  The concern for Gentiles is also expressed in this Gospel.  Now more specifically the Instruction to the 12, the Second Discourse, it was meant specifically for the Jews.
I agree although Paul's letters tell me more about the OT  than all four gospels combined, in my opinion. I am a Pauline dispensational Bible student so I am very aware of the intended audience all throughout the Bible. Or I try me best to understand who what where when how etc. Rightly dividing. Was the Body Of Christ introduced in Matthew like in Paul's epistles?
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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