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Chaplain Mark Schmidt

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Re: Chaplain's Chat
« Reply #91 on: October 17, 2020, 02:07:22 pm »
I struggle with others casting dispersion on anyone's belief especially at a time of grief.  That was not taught in Chaplains school, in seminary or any other place.  We were taught that in times of grief and stress it is God's love and embrace that is needed, addressing anything in a corrective nature is a CONVERSATION  (not an accusation) for another time once you help them through that time.  So color me shocked and appalled even if it worked out.   It was and still is people like him that drove me away and causes me great distress now.

All that said the just of what you said I find some I am not in agreement with as I am not fully understanding.  The foundation of what you say, I find make sense.  My issues has always been we as people of God have found various ways to get wrapped up in the  details and to argue, disagree or in some way to come to a conclusion that the way we learned is the "Only" way to salvation, to God's grace to have proper faith.  That is not what Jesus was about and all of us who have taken the journey to learn and understand his teachings.

Like I had said, it seems we all have chosen a position of what we believe God wants us to do for Salvation and most believe they have it right.   So times I wonder if the true Salvation is that we find a way to seek Salvation in his Glory and in his holiness and the rest is just static noise.  Just a thought and only that.

Thank you lori for answering and you have provided me with things to think on and to look into. 
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Re: Chaplain's Chat
« Reply #92 on: October 17, 2020, 04:20:21 pm »
I struggle with others casting dispersion on anyone's belief especially at a time of grief.  That was not taught in Chaplains school, in seminary or any other place.  We were taught that in times of grief and stress it is God's love and embrace that is needed, addressing anything in a corrective nature is a CONVERSATION  (not an accusation) for another time once you help them through that time.  So color me shocked and appalled even if it worked out.   It was and still is people like him that drove me away and causes me great distress now.

All that said the just of what you said I find some I am not in agreement with as I am not fully understanding.  The foundation of what you say, I find make sense.  My issues has always been we as people of God have found various ways to get wrapped up in the  details and to argue, disagree or in some way to come to a conclusion that the way we learned is the "Only" way to salvation, to God's grace to have proper faith.  That is not what Jesus was about and all of us who have taken the journey to learn and understand his teachings.

Like I had said, it seems we all have chosen a position of what we believe God wants us to do for Salvation and most believe they have it right.   So times I wonder if the true Salvation is that we find a way to seek Salvation in his Glory and in his holiness and the rest is just static noise.  Just a thought and only that.

Thank you lori for answering and you have provided me with things to think on and to look into.
I find myself smiling in agreement throughout your response.  to that point, let me share how I came to Christ.

At about six years old, my life was so out of control that I knew I would never make it if something or someone didn't step in.  One night as I was "dreaming" of never waking up or if I did wake up, my family would be gone, I came to the conclusion that there had to be a creator since this world couldn't just happen.  If there was a creator, He/She/They/It would not create something greater than He is and if nothing is greater, then all I needed in order to survive was to become one with the creator whomever that was....that night I prayed to a God I didn't know, that if I was right, would He/She/It become so much a part of me that it was impossible to tell where He began and I ended.  From that point on, God started teaching me about Him and my need to reconcile with Him (I didn't even know there was such a thing as sin at the time) etc.

Some years later I was sewing when my sister came in and laid on my back.  I asked her to move and she refused.   I told her to move and she refused.  I took hold of her arms and set her off me.  She went running to my father crying that I scratched her and showed him an old wound that was healing.  My father went nuts and took his belt and beat me for scratching my sister (which I did not do).  But you see, that day, the belt never touched me.  There was no sting from it's contact nor welts from it hitting me.  That day, Christ literally stood between me and the belt that was directed at me.  It was then that I took time to look back and though my situation hadn't changed, God was working in my life and took a kid that shouldn't have made it and caused her to thrive. 

So...all that to say, that you are right, a lot of it is about our experiences.  My experience tells me that
Jeremiah 29:13
King James Version
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
is true and the details He will work out so just trust Him
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Re: Chaplain's Chat
« Reply #93 on: October 18, 2020, 07:57:27 pm »
Today in an online church discussion group, humility came up.  It reminded me of another lesser-known of the discourses Jesus gave.  In scholarly settings, this is sometimes listed as a discourse and sometimes as "just a parable."  I think considering in anything less than a discourse and teaching lecture that has a parable as part of it is an injustice to Jesus' teaching.   So take the time to read through Luke 14.  All of this chapter equals the discourse.   Comments and discussion afterwards is gladly accepted and sought.

KJV Bible Verses from the Book of Luke

Chapter 14

14:1 And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him.

14:2 And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy.

14:3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?

14:4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go;

14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

14:6 And they could not answer him again to these things.

14:7 And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.

14:8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;

14:9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.

14:10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

14:11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.

14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:

14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

14:16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:

14:17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

14:18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

14:19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

14:20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

14:22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.

14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

14:24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.

14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

14:34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?

14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

George Orwell

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Re: Chaplain's Chat
« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2020, 12:04:04 am »
Okay, I am going out on a limb and hope it starts a conversation and not a conflict.   I have heard and read about salvation. There is salvation through Grace alone, there is Salvation through Faith alone and there is Salvation through both Faith and Grace.   All of the reformers appear, to the best research I can do, to base their salvation theoryís on Augustine's writings on Paul or from Paulís writings alone.

I struggle with this.  You see, I have no idea what God will ultimately do.  I am not one to assume based on 2000 years old inspired writings nor presume they still apply as originally intended since they were not intended for humanity to become what it has.  That is my internal battle.   

As I see it, no one, absolutely no one can speak for or to what God will do with or to us as our spirit/soul passes on.   We have all made assumptions on the importance of Grace and Faith.  We even make assumptions and arguments on what each of those means.  So in deep reflection and prayer, I came to the only answer I can come to and works for me and how I understand all of this.
 
Live your life in such a way that you leave no doubt to God your holiness, grace, and faith is/was according to his word.   That way you remove worry about how others interpret and the argument over salvation because of grace and/or faith.    I have always believed life is to be lived for Godís glory, not for someone elseís determination of what Godís glory and love is.  You know inside if you are doing this.  So do it: Live your life for God.
Excellent. As I read this I was following and my mind went back to 2nd grade at St. George. I used to argue for once saved always saved but that defies common sense actually. I now believe salvation is a process and enduring with obedience is key. Keeping the faith and not being shaken from the glorious gospel of Christ.

So, one might say well it is a lifelong process. . . .  But what of those whose lives are cut short? I agree with you that we can't say definitively what God will do with each and every person/soul on an individual basis. I believe God must examine each of us as He does throughout our lives, and that each person's Judgement is unique and detailed. The Holy Bible is a book of details, after all.

God can easily place us all one by one at the Judgement Seat Of Christ and in an instant He knows every detail of ever thought and action and motivation, every idle thought and hurtful word and every good thing as well. I realized this at the age of seven and I had a question for the priests and nuns.

I concluded that every person is different and must be judged according to their own thoughts, words and actions because I knew that God knows all things back then. At that young age I decided that there must be counter that God uses so naturally I wanted to know exactly how many sins gets you to hell !!!

I thought well, I just need to stay under that ultimate number of sins that sends a person to hell.  ;D :D Kids, I tell ya. I was on to something though.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: Chaplain's Chat
« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2020, 03:22:43 pm »
Generally, on Tuesday or Wednesday mornings, I try to go walk the Labyrinth at a local church.  It is in a beautiful, treed setting so quiet and peaceful.  So easy to get into my own head.   I was thinking about commonalities that various things inside the different denominations have and I wondered, with so much in common why do we have such large spaces between each other in accepting beliefs.  Of course, this led my mind down the rabbit hole.   It occurred to me; Jesus was a reformer.  His original intent was to reform the Church of his people.  To take it back in some areas close to Moses and David and progressive in other areas.  Jesus did not intend to start a whole new religion.  The same can be said for Luther.  He did not intend to break away from the Catholics.  No, he wanted them to return to the roots of the belief in Christ and God and away from the Papacy.  He did not have an actual issue with the existence of the Papacy, but at that time in history, the Bishop of Rome was more powerful on Earth than Christ or God.  He felt that was wrong.  Calvin did not intend for a breakaway religion from Lutherís breakaway, but he saw issues in the dogma and doctrine that had drifted from what Lutheran had intended.  There is a reoccurring process here. 
Based on what I am seeing we are at an epoch again where someone will come forward and led us into a new direction in Christianity.  The problem I have is that it is going to be two people or groups and in two different directions.  This is dangerous for Christianityís survival.  I hope and pray I am wrong.

Just a humble opinion and observation
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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