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Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« on: December 13, 2018, 10:19:33 pm »
First, I will not use a capital s for the name of satan. I believe that satan rebelled because he was terribly jealous of Adam. What do you think?


Ezekiel 28 King James Version (KJV)

28 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:

6 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

20 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

21 Son of man, set thy face against Zidon, and prophesy against it,

22 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Zidon; and I will be glorified in the midst of thee: and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall have executed judgments in her, and shall be sanctified in her.

23 For I will send into her pestilence, and blood into her streets; and the wounded shall be judged in the midst of her by the sword upon her on every side; and they shall know that I am the Lord.

24 And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them, that despised them; and they shall know that I am the Lord God.

25 Thus saith the Lord God; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob.

26 And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the Lord their God.

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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2018, 10:25:10 am »
I'm thinking satan was jealous of both man and God and maybe even their relationship.  Which should tell us a lot about what kind of relationship we should strive for with the Living God.  Just a thought for what it's worth.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2018, 11:03:56 pm »
The idea on an adversary rebelling against anything is an artificial construct. The angel of Numbers 22:22 was an adversary/satan against Balaam, but the idea of rebellion isn't present there.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2019, 02:04:20 pm »
The 4 FALLS of SATAN: The Dragon's Fall from Glorified to the Lake of Fire


The Bible speaks of 4 falls of Satan. This leads me to theorize that Satan was created with a body, and that he lost his body in the first fall (Ezekiel 28). The second fall will be from the heavenly realms, as a spirit, strictly bound to earth (Revelation 12). Then the third fall will be from this earth state, into the prison in the bottomless pit (Revelation 20).

And finally, he will go from the pit to the lake of fire, but only after he is released for a short while (Revelation 20). All of this leads me to believe that Satan, the dragon, will present himself as the alien savior or some kind of creator being from outer space. He will then give the authority to the beast and the false prophet.


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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2020, 11:20:17 am »
Since we are born sinful from conception and
since we can only accrue sin by a free will decision,
it is obvious that we chose to be sinful previous to our conception, Satan included.


I find the distinction between the spirits of heaven and the spirits of humans to be a false one. All spirits were created in HIS image were separated into groups by their choices to be holy or sinful and by what sin they chose to indulge in.


When I read in Co 1:23 that the gospel of GOD and HIS salvation from sin was proclaimed, preached, (a finished activity in the past), to every creature/person under heaven, that is, ever created, and realised this has never been fulfilled on earth as new people are supposedly being created every day so they have not heard this declaration...I understood this verse to support the contentions that all spirits created in HIS image were created at the same time before the creation of the physical universe.


In light of the blasphemy of unconditional election and non-election, this also gave me the reason for the choice of HIS electing to heaven those who responded to this proclamation by putting their faith in HIM and HIS gospel and passing over for election those who rejected HIS claim to be our GOD and HIS gospel of salvation.


I also do not see any possibility for anyone rebelling against GOD if they saw or knew HIM in HIS glory. Sinners die when they see HIS glory, who would bask in that glory and chose to rebel against HIM ? ...it is not possible. Therefore it is obvious that any rebellion against HIM had to have been made against HIS claims before any proof of HIS divinity, power or glory was given.


Why did Satan rebel? He chose to put his faith in the idea that YHWH was a liar and a false god out of jealousy of HIM and HIS claims to be the sole divine GOD and arbiter of all righteousness and judge of all evil. He repudiated these claims knowing that if YHWH ever proved HE was indeed our creator GOD that he would be damned.


He even refused to take the out which the sinful elect chose to take of first declaring their faith in HIM as their saviour so as to become elect to heaven and therefore safe from hell THEN going their own way in rebellion to HIM, as unworthy of his commitment against this most evil of all persons, the first person to sin in all of creation, YHWH.




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Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2020, 10:19:15 pm »
Since we are born sinful from conception and
since we can only accrue sin by a free will decision,
it is obvious that we chose to be sinful previous to our conception, Satan included.


I find the distinction between the spirits of heaven and the spirits of humans to be a false one. All spirits were created in HIS image were separated into groups by their choices to be holy or sinful and by what sin they chose to indulge in.


When I read in Co 1:23 that the gospel of GOD and HIS salvation from sin was proclaimed, preached, (a finished activity in the past), to every creature/person under heaven, that is, ever created, and realised this has never been fulfilled on earth as new people are supposedly being created every day so they have not heard this declaration...I understood this verse to support the contentions that all spirits created in HIS image were created at the same time before the creation of the physical universe.


In light of the blasphemy of unconditional election and non-election, this also gave me the reason for the choice of HIS electing to heaven those who responded to this proclamation by putting their faith in HIM and HIS gospel and passing over for election those who rejected HIS claim to be our GOD and HIS gospel of salvation.


I also do not see any possibility for anyone rebelling against GOD if they saw or knew HIM in HIS glory. Sinners die when they see HIS glory, who would bask in that glory and chose to rebel against HIM ? ...it is not possible. Therefore it is obvious that any rebellion against HIM had to have been made against HIS claims before any proof of HIS divinity, power or glory was given.


Why did Satan rebel? He chose to put his faith in the idea that YHWH was a liar and a false god out of jealousy of HIM and HIS claims to be the sole divine GOD and arbiter of all righteousness and judge of all evil. He repudiated these claims knowing that if YHWH ever proved HE was indeed our creator GOD that he would be damned.


He even refused to take the out which the sinful elect chose to take of first declaring their faith in HIM as their saviour so as to become elect to heaven and therefore safe from hell THEN going their own way in rebellion to HIM, as unworthy of his commitment against this most evil of all persons, the first person to sin in all of creation, YHWH.

you said:"Since we are born sinful from conception and
since we can only accrue sin by a free will decision,
it is obvious that we chose to be sinful previous to our conception, Satan included.

I find the distinction between the spirits of heaven and the spirits of humans to be a false one. All spirits were created in HIS image were separated into groups by their choices to be holy or sinful and by what sin they chose to indulge in."



We are born with a Sin Nature. It is what we do "sin" This was brought on by ADAM. Regardless of how it started ( I do not know and neither do you), we may eventually find out when we die and go to Heaven..

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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2020, 11:15:22 am »
You said:"Since we are born sinful from conception and
since we can only accrue sin by a free will decision,
it is obvious that we chose to be sinful previous to our conception, Satan included.

I find the distinction between the spirits of heaven and the spirits of humans to be a false one. All spirits were created in HIS image were separated into groups by their choices to be holy or sinful and by what sin they chose to indulge in."


We are born with a Sin Nature. It is what we do "sin" This was brought on by ADAM. Regardless of how it started ( I do not know and neither do you), we may eventually find out when we die and go to Heaven..
Blade
We can always count on you to give us the orthodox whitewash version of how GOD creates us evil without GOD creating us evil...and never a hint of the cognitive dissonance most people get from this kind of doublethink, sigh.


Sin nature or evil in sin --- it all washes out to the same meaning that our sinfulness comes from GOD not from any free will decision of ourselves to sin and if GOD does not save us from our  inheritance from Adam, we end in hell.
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2020, 03:28:47 pm »
You said:"Since we are born sinful from conception and
since we can only accrue sin by a free will decision,
it is obvious that we chose to be sinful previous to our conception, Satan included.

I find the distinction between the spirits of heaven and the spirits of humans to be a false one. All spirits were created in HIS image were separated into groups by their choices to be holy or sinful and by what sin they chose to indulge in."


We are born with a Sin Nature. It is what we do "sin" This was brought on by ADAM. Regardless of how it started ( I do not know and neither do you), we may eventually find out when we die and go to Heaven..
Blade
We can always count on you to give us the orthodox whitewash version of how GOD creates us evil without GOD creating us evil...and never a hint of the cognitive dissonance most people get from this kind of doublethink, sigh.


Sin nature or evil in sin --- it all washes out to the same meaning that our sinfulness comes from GOD not from any free will decision of ourselves to sin and if GOD does not save us from our  inheritance from Adam, we end in hell.

Oh, so yo blame your sins on GOD..He made you do it?

Very dangerous territory

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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2020, 09:21:52 am »
Because he thought he knew better than the Most High God how things should be done which was his way. He wanted to be worshipped. So he and his minions try to get people to have doubts about the Most High God, to lose their faith in Him, and to believe and do things his way. He uses various methods to accomplish this and they are the same methods he has used from the beginning. Just like with Adam and Eve, he planted seeds of doubt. He basically called God a liar and said that He was withholding knowledge and that they could be like gods having power, wealth and enlightenment. He is still deceiving people to this day using the same methods. He was a liar from the beginning and a murderer. He is a destroyer of everything that is good and pure and innocent. His ways are evil and destruction. He wants people to see good as evil and evil as good. Total rebellion against the Most High God.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2020, 03:17:58 pm »
Oh, so yo blame your sins on GOD..He made you do it?

Very dangerous territory

Blade


Aren't you cute... misrepresenting me. Hoping I'll get mad and quit?


NO, it is the vile doctrine of our inheriting sin from Adam that blames GOD for our sin but then panics and tries to deny that that is what their doctrine means!!!


If you listen very carefully you will hear me say,
ONLY BY A FREE WILL DECISION TO REBEL AGAINST GOD AND HIS LAW CAN ANYONE ACCRUE SINFULNESS UNTO THEMSELVES!!!

I have never said anything else...
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2020, 09:31:10 pm »
Oh, so yo blame your sins on GOD..He made you do it?

Very dangerous territory

Blade


Aren't you cute... misrepresenting me. Hoping I'll get mad and quit?


NO, it is the vile doctrine of our inheriting sin from Adam that blames GOD for our sin but then panics and tries to deny that that is what their doctrine means!!!


If you listen very carefully you will hear me say,
ONLY BY A FREE WILL DECISION TO REBEL AGAINST GOD AND HIS LAW CAN ANYONE ACCRUE SINFULNESS UNTO THEMSELVES!!!

I have never said anything else...

TED...I would never do that to you or anyone....

You said"NO, it is the vile doctrine of our inheriting sin from Adam that blames GOD for our sin but then panics and tries to deny that that is what their doctrine means!!!"

OK, If GOD set up two parts, Good and the Evil and He made Man pure and GOOD. Then for the love of EVE, Adam sinned against GOD. 

As long as Adam stayed on the straight and narrow, they would remain pure....BUT when He sinned, he (Adam) brought the "Sin Nature" on all mankind up to today and probably through tomorrow,  so on and so forth.

Why would the 'sin nature' blame GOD....if all Adam had to do was obey GOD...

Blade





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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2020, 11:54:24 am »
OK, If GOD set up two parts, Good and the Evil and He made Man pure and GOOD. Then for the love of EVE, Adam sinned against GOD. 
I agree Adam sinned for love of Eve just as Eve sinned for the love of the serpent...They are the antitypes for the type of those elect, that is the Eves, who rebelled against the call for the judgment because of love for some of the ones to be judged and the Adam's who refused to accept that their friends, the now sinful Eves, could be trusted to GOD's tender mercy so they entered into sin with them to accompany them through their tribulations.


As long as Adam stayed on the straight and narrow, they would remain pure....BUT when He sinned, he (Adam) brought the "Sin Nature" on all mankind up to today and probably through tomorrow,  so on and so forth.

Why would the 'sin nature' blame GOD....if all Adam had to do was obey GOD...Blade


I did not say the sin nature blames GOD in any way since it is a natural consequence of choosing sin.


But the doctrine that our sin nature is inherited from Adam brings blame upon GOD for our sin because
1.  we had no choice but to have a sin nature, that is, it was by HIS will, not ours, we got a sin nature and


2.  HE created the system whereby we would get a sin nature through no fault of our own and


3.  there was no theological necessity for HIM to make us, HIS Bride, as corrupt and grossly evil in Adam and


4.  to do so does NOT fit in the least with HIS self revealed character as loving, righteous and just, thereby bringing HIS good Name into disrepute.


Since we made no choice and had no say in our being created evil by means of inheriting sin from Adam, under this doctrine GOD must carry the blame for all sin except Adam's and Eve's sin, and for all the attenuating suffering and for every human in hell and the disrepute these things bring upon HIM.







Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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