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Olde Tymer

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Why Adam Didn't Drop Dead
« on: February 03, 2020, 02:44:31 pm »
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Gen 2:16-17 . . And the Lord God commanded the man, saying; "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die."

Gen 3:6-7 . .When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

Those passages are favorites among critics because Adam didn't drop dead to the floor the instant he tasted the forbidden fruit. In point of fact, he continued to live outside the garden of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his son Seth (Gen 5:4).

The first thing to point out is that in order for the warning to resonate in Adam's thinking; it had to be related to death as he understood death in his own day rather than death as modern Christians construe it in their day. In other words: Adam's concept of death was primitive, i.e. it was normal and natural rather spiritual.

As far as can be known from scripture, Man is the only specie that God created with immortality. The animal kingdom was given nothing like it. That being the case, then I think it's safe to assume that death was common all around Adam by means of plants, birds, bugs, and beasts so that it wasn't a strange new word in his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a moment and define death for Adam seeing as how it was doubtless a common occurrence in his everyday life.

Adam saw things born, he saw things bloom, he saw things gradually wither, he saw their life ebb away, and he saw things decay and dissolve into nothing. So I think we can be reasonably confident that Adam was up to speed on at least the natural aspects of death; viz: he was familiar with mortality and he was familiar with immortality.

Death includes not only mortality but also disintegration.

1Cor 15:53-54 . . For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."

In other words; had Adam not eaten of the forbidden tree, he would've stayed forever 21, but the very day that he tasted its fruit, he became mortal-- he lost perpetual youth and began to age. The tree of life contains a remedy that would've restored Adam to immortality, but God blocked access to it in order to make sure Adam's body withered and eventually gave out.

Mortality is a walking death, and it's slow, but very relentless. It's like Arnold Swarzenegger's movie character; the Terminator-- it feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse nor fear; it cannot be reasoned with nor can it be bargained with, and it absolutely will not stop-- ever --until you are gone.
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Re: Why Adam Didn't Drop Dead
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2020, 07:27:36 pm »
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Gen 2:16-17 . . And the Lord God commanded the man, saying; "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die."

Gen 3:6-7 . .When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

Those passages are favorites among critics because Adam didn't drop dead to the floor the instant he tasted the forbidden fruit. In point of fact, he continued to live outside the garden of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his son Seth (Gen 5:4).

The first thing to point out is that in order for the warning to resonate in Adam's thinking; it had to be related to death as he understood death in his own day rather than death as modern Christians construe it in their day. In other words: Adam's concept of death was primitive, i.e. it was natural rather spiritual.

As far as can be known from scripture, Man is the only specie that God created with immortality. The animal kingdom was given nothing like it. That being the case, then I think it's safe to assume that death was common all around Adam by means of plants, birds, bugs, and beasts so that it wasn't a strange new word in his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a moment and define death for Adam seeing as how it was doubtless a common occurrence in his everyday life.

Adam saw things born, he saw things bloom, he saw things gradually wither, he saw their life ebb away, and he saw things decay and dissolve into nothing. So I think we can be reasonably confident that Adam was up to speed on at least the natural aspects of death; viz: he was familiar with mortality and he was familiar with immortality.

Death includes not only mortality but also disintegration.

1Cor 15:53-54 . . For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."

In other words; had Adam not eaten of the forbidden tree, he would've stayed forever 21, but the very day that he tasted its fruit, he became mortal-- he lost perpetual youth and began to age. The tree of life contains a remedy that would've restored Adam to immortality, but God blocked access to it in order to make sure Adam's body withered and eventually gave out.

Mortality is a living death, and it's slow, but very relentless. It's like Arnold Swarzenegger's movie character; the Terminator-- it feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse nor fear; it cannot be reasoned with nor can it be bargained with, and it absolutely will not stop-- ever --until you are gone.
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But Adam died that very day as God had said He would...

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Why Adam Didn't Drop Dead
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2020, 08:00:17 pm »
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Adam died that very day as God had said He would.


He certainly did; no doubt about it.

Gen 3:22-23 . . And the Lord God said: "The man must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden.

Adam contracted mortality from the other tree. Had God allowed him access to the tree of life, it would've healed the mortality infecting his body and restored it to immortality.

That tree of life's healing agents are very powerful. According to Rev 22:1-2, the tree's leaves alone are even useful for remedies.
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« Last Edit: February 03, 2020, 08:09:22 pm by Olde Tymer »

 

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