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Re: Wesleyan Theology
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2020, 07:00:25 pm »
I agree with false prophets, fraud preaching for profits and teachers/preachers that do not teach as the Bible asks us to needed pointed out. 

But, my question who decides what makes a teaching false?   There are Calvinist I know that state that Catholics are all heretics.  Not so much because of the rituals, dogma, but because the version of the bibles is different.  Those are the things that make me crazy.  What gave that single person the right to spew hate because of their singular viewpoint.   I know a believer in Coptic Christianity that is more holy and spiritual in his beliefs and teaching than two of my theology instructors.  He teaches love, understanding, and guidance to finding a belief that is similar to what I think we both believe. 

So, done with my babble and done wearing out soapboxes.  lol
Mark, May I answer one or two of your points...They are valid and need answering.

I am a Calvinist. I believe that doctrine of Predestination...I believe in the five points of Calvinism. Beyond that, I have some problems with His (Calvin's) viewpoints.

I also believe that the Doctrine of Free-Will is alive and well (john 3:16). Both of these doctrines are spoken of in the WORD of GOD.

Therefore both of these doctrines are preached by Jesus Christ, yet many try to make it one or the other and Yes, many Calvinist and Armenians will attest to that.

 I teach He said both and does not tell us how He reconciles with one of them to the other. It is His word.


You said : "Not so much because of the rituals, dogma, but because the version of the bibles is different. "

I am one of those that believe in the KJV vs all those other versions. Mainly because of the references they used to be translated. Also, because the KJV has been with us for 400 years plus, without change except those editors notes and maps by the publisher. On the other hand, the other versions are edited frequently even yearly with the verses that Jesus spoke being changed to todays meanings. This presents a problem as back when I was growing up, a Hoe had a different meaning.  A Coke had a different meaning, etc.

I ask all of you. Take any of the newer version and apply them to the KJV. Lets look one one verse in two different bible versions (out of many) for brevity.

1 Tim 3:16.(KJV). "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

1 TIM  3:16 (NIV*).."Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit,[fn] was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory"

! I have put both of them in red for highlighting purposes only. I also will not try to translate them against each other but rather let the reader do that in their own time.

*NIV- is according to most sources the most popular version of the bible used in most of the churches today.

I do have a question about these two bible versions of the same verse.

Could someone that does not know about Jesus pick up a NIV version, read that verse and come away with the fact that Jesus is GOD.  My answer to this is apparent. NO!

There are many other verses that would lead a person away from Jesus Christ. These can be individual discussions, each and every one of them.


What is a Heretic??? via Cambridge Dictionary there are two defs.
1. someone who has an opinion that is opposite to or against the official or popular opinion:
2. someone who has beliefs that are against the principles of a particular religion:

Now if we take the 1. def, it would be hard to call ROC Heretics as they have over 1 Billion paritioners/believers , thus they are  the popular opinion!

The 2nd is a little different. Again this view 2nd view of His WORD has slipped into a minority status held by only 1 out of every ten churches on the earth. That view is that Jesus Christ and His Gospel (according to scriptures) are our salvation through Faith and Faith alone. This the ROC and 9 out of every denominational church and most non-denominational churches disagree with.

God tells us not to have any other Gods or idols before us.
* What is praying to the saints?
*What about Praying to Jesus' mother? They made her a co-redemptrix!  Able to save a person? like Jesus?   
*The ROC does not believe that a person will go to Hell but rather a place called Perdition where the person can work off His/her sin and finally get to heaven?
*The pope is called the Vicar of Christ...Does anyone know what that means? really?? It means that the Pope is taking the place of Christ here on earth.

I could go on, but it would only serve for those to say I am a ROC phobic which I am not...I just feel and pray for the people of that church knowing, the words of Jesus Christ in Revelation will take most of them to hell because of the False teaching of that Church.


*Mark: are we not charged with spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ (according to scriptures), not someone's beliefs?

*Are we not also charged with calling those out who are preaching or teaching a "FALSE" Gospel so the reader can make a informed decision?

That is what I try to do. Give the WORD's of Jesus Christ independent of my own interpretation and let them decide.

I hope this rant--did not offend you as it was only meant to answer some of your questions and thoughts...The last paragraph sums it all up, When I see something that is not right, I will use GOD's word if it literally, historically and grammatically differs, to call it out

« Last Edit: August 25, 2020, 07:14:22 pm by Bladerunner »
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."


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