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Author Topic: Trinity cannot be validated via Scripture.  (Read 1475 times)

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Re: Trinity cannot be validated via Scripture.
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2021, 10:30:26 am »
Quote from: True Believer on Today at 10:57:34 am
"The Deity of the Holy Spirit is factual and Jesus makes it so when he said " God is a Spirit".. where does the Father come in???.... He calls God his father, who is, in fact the Holy Ghost/Spirit."

In Gen 1:2.." ...............And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Here we see that GOD as a whole has a Spirit. This spirit is composed of six other spirits... It is clear from this that God can manifest himself in different personalities (I am saying this loosely because the Holy Spirit is not a figure as Jesus was). In Psa 2, we can see all three of them speaking to each other.  In 1 Tim, Jesus Himself tells us GOD had become flesh (that is if Jesus authored the Bible).

Let me answer your question to me: "Whose will was Jesus doing, if he were in fact God in the Flesh, if not his own? because he clearly states that he is doing the will of the one who sent him.."

It is apparent that Jesus as a man had abdicated any Godly powers. For to me, He expected the Jews would indeed accept Him and the Kingdom of Heaven would be brought in. He did not know what awaited Him as that was evident at Gethsemane garden. Mat 26:39.."And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."
this obviously shows us that we read things differently depending on what we want it to say, because to many in this world, it is a picture of Jesus yielding His fleshly will to the spiritual will of the Father, something we all should do...iow's Jesus saying, "this is what my flesh wants, My spirit however wants what You want.
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Had he known he was GOD, all he had to do was call down his army of angels. Yet, it seems he did not know He was GOD  but rather; as you (TB) state "He was doing the will of God, His father"
or, maybe, He was just wiling to accept God's will over the will of His flesh...hum...
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In Mat 26:63, Caiaphas ask Jesus if He was:"that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God."

in the next verse, Jesus tells Caiaphas: "........ Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."

Here, we we Jesus knows that the Son of Man will sit at the right hand of GOD...Yet he did not dispute Caiaphas' statement! You see, Jesus knew that God was His father but he does not seem to  know at that time his power.[/qutoe] please prove in scripture where Jesus didn't know His power or place in the Kingdom?  All I see so far is speculations based on a partial understanding of scripture.
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Why did Jesus cry " Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" before his next to last breath on the Cross....could it be that He did not know at all what was going to happen to him..
?????? That one doesn't even hint of making sense...
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The trinity is so much more that Jesus saying I am GOD! He tells us in so many ways, yet there is a movement states Jesus is not GOD....This is very dangerous direction to take.

One last point: In Isa 44:6, God states:" I am the first, and I am the last; "

In Isa 48:12..God tells us : " I am the first, I also am the last."

In Rev 1:11..Jesus (speaking to John states).." I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:"

OOPS,,,, Jesus said He was what....

to be clear: Rev 1:17..Jesus said to John, when he John fell at Jesus' feet..."Fear not; I am the first and the last:"


OOPS again.....

THEN Jesus tells us in the next verse (Rev 1:18).."I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

Regardless of what most will tell you, After the first verse of Revelation, Jesus not GOD (the father) is speaking and here in Rev 1:17-18 [proves the speaker is Jesus) and also proves He is the same GOD who spoke through Isaiah 850 years past.

Blade

 

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