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Re: The King In The Manger
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2019, 09:30:05 am »
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Matt 2:11b . . They saw the child with his mother

When Jesus was lodged in the stable, the Greek word for his age is given as brephos (bref'-os): an infant. In the house, the word for his age is given as paidion (pahee-dee'-on) which refers to any underage kid from infancy to adolescence but usually always refers to young children rather than infants.

I won't hazard a guess as to Jesus' age by the time the men arrived to see him, but I'm thinking he was at the very least no longer in a bassinet.

Matt 2:11c . . and fell down, and worshipped him:

The Greek word for "worship" is proskuneo (pros-koo-neh'-o). It's kind of a funny word because it basically pictures a dog licking its master's hand; i.e. homage, reverence, and/or adoration; viz: definitely subordination.

Now if these guys knew their stuff-- I think we can safely assume so --then they didn't come all the way from the east seeking another run-of-the-mill king of the Davidic dynasty, rather; a very special potentate that would one day rule not just the land of Israel; but the entire planet, viz: everybody.

Dan 7:13-14 . . In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was escorted into His presence.

. . . He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshipped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is the one that will never be destroyed.

Well; let the record show that the wise men were the very first to begin fulfilling that scene; viz: "all peoples, nations and men of every language worshipped him".
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Re: The King In The Manger
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2019, 09:40:04 am »
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Re: The King In The Manger
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2019, 09:42:15 am »
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Matt 2:11-12 . .Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh.

Those were not only appropriate tributes in that day, but also valuable commodities that Joseph could put to use in financing his family's pending sojourn in Egypt. (Matt 2:13-14)

It would've been fun if Matthew had told us the weight of the gold so we could put a dollar figure on it according to today's precious metals.

Matt 2:11-12 . . And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

That was a safety measure to prevent Herod from knowing where to find the lad because rulers in that day were typically Machiavellian-- they didn't just crush potential threats to their power; they utterly annihilated it; and as subsequent events demonstrate, ol' Herod had neither conscience nor concern for child welfare.

Matt 2:16a . .Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth

There's really nothing in the story to even remotely suggest that the wise men made a fool out of Herod. It was all in his own mind, i.e. his own perception of the events. In other words; Herod was under the impression that they had mocked him; thus his reaction was stimulated by a false premise.

Matt 2:16b . . He sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

The Greek word for "coasts" is a mite ambiguous. It technically indicates borders, but can also indicate regions and/or environs and surrounding areas.

That verse is commonly appropriated to calculate Jesus' age relative to when the wise men visited him and his mother. But the verse merely indicates the passage of time since Herod interviewed the men; which is quite useless for calculating Jesus' age seeing as how he was already born before the men even left their country-- how long before they left their country, nobody knows for sure.

Matt 2:17-18 . .Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." (Jer 31:15)

Ramah was roughly six miles north of Jerusalem, while Bethlehem is roughly the same distance south in the opposite direction.

Ramah was settled by the people of Rachel's biological son Benjamin, so that any weeping done by the mothers in that area would be reckoned, by heritage, to be Rachel's weeping.

What this suggests to me is that the slaughter of the innocents extended beyond the community of Bethlehem. Were we to set a draftsman's compass to a radius equal to the distance between Bethlehem and Ramah, and scribe a circle with Bethlehem at the center, it would yield a pretty good idea of the area covered by Herod's death squads.

But Herod's efforts were futile. Jesus wasn't even in the country; Joseph had moved the child and his mother down into Egypt before all the killing began. (Matt 2:13)
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Re: The King In The Manger
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2019, 10:08:34 am »
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Happy Holidays everyone! and don't be ashamed to be known as a Christian. We sure don't want the Lord giving us the same look that he gave Peter on the night Jesus was arrested.

"The Lord turned and looked straight at Peter. Then Peter remembered the word the Lord had spoken to him: Before the rooster crows today, you will disown me three times. And he went outside and wept bitterly."
(Luke 22:61-62)
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Re: The King In The Manger
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2019, 07:26:58 pm »
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Happy Holidays everyone! and don't be ashamed to be known as a Christian. We sure don't want the Lord giving us the same look that he gave Peter on the night Jesus was arrested.

"The Lord turned and looked straight at Peter. Then Peter remembered the word the Lord had spoken to him: Before the rooster crows today, you will disown me three times. And he went outside and wept bitterly."
(Luke 22:61-62)
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There is a BIG difference in "disown me"    and "Deny ME"  which is what the KJV states.....


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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: The King In The Manger
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2020, 09:57:47 pm »
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Matt 2:19-23 . . After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt and said: Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child's life are dead.

. . . So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Having been warned in a dream, he withdrew to the district of Galilee, and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: "He will be called a Nazarene."


NOTE: Jesus' hometown Nazareth was predicted by the prophets but not recorded by the prophets; which alerts us to the fact that the prophets didn't put everything they knew down in writing. That was fortunate because sure enough Herod's death squads would've swept around Nazareth too had he known.

Jesus is identified with Nazareth several times in the New Testament; probably the best known incident took place on the day of his crucifixion.

John 19:19-20 . . Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was:


JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
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Re: The King In The Manger
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2020, 05:47:25 pm »
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Matt 2:19-23 . . After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt and said: Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child's life are dead.

. . . So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Having been warned in a dream, he withdrew to the district of Galilee, and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: "He will be called a Nazarene."


NOTE: Jesus' hometown Nazareth was predicted by the prophets but not recorded by the prophets; which alerts us to the fact that the prophets didn't put everything they knew down in writing. That was fortunate because sure enough Herod's death squads would've swept around Nazareth too had he known.

Jesus is identified with Nazareth several times in the New Testament; probably the best known incident took place on the day of his crucifixion.

John 19:19-20 . . Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was:


JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
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Yep, God decided what to print and what not to print or say.
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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