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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2019, 02:23:04 am »
Brother @patrick jane
I can't get the buttons to work, like the bold, italic, underline, strike, so I have to type it out myself expl; [t] [/t]. Also I didn't get notifications on some posts, like this important one: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity

Can you please look into it, or tell me what I have turned off for it not working and not getting some notifications?

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Gods willing I will go through this last post you made, and hopefully you will carefully consider my responses, they are not new, but I have been studying, and listening to replies from Christian Scholars to Pastors, Ministers from Catholic to 7DA, to Mormons, to JW's and so on .. you name it over the past 25 years. So my responses have been tested by many intelligent Bible believers and even atheists who know the Bible. Not the ones who just bash it ignorantly, you know the type!?
I'm sorry brother, we don't get notifications on this forum except for the new posts on the right. Do you see those? To use the bold and Underline and colors etc., just highlight what you want to bold and then hit the bold button. Same with all of them. In the second row to the left, the firstone is for images and the second one for videos to INSERT the url in between the bb codes. Do you get it?

Yes, it's old school, but like I said, I select it, click on the "italic button", and nothing happens. None of the blocks work.
It did in the beginning, but now I have to type it in.

It's OK, no big problem

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Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2019, 08:44:12 pm »
I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school until 5th grade so the trinity has always been ingrained into my mind. Until I started on forums and really just in the last year, I can't believe how many people to not believe that Jesus is GOD !!! It makes me question my own beliefs and all of the false teachers over on TF out doubts in my mind from reading so much of their garbage. Ahh, the life of a Forum-a-Holic.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2019, 10:14:24 pm »
I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school until 5th grade so the trinity has always been ingrained into my mind. Until I started on forums and really just in the last year, I can't believe how many people to not believe that Jesus is GOD !!! It makes me question my own beliefs and all of the false teachers over on TF out doubts in my mind from reading so much of their garbage. Ahh, the life of a Forum-a-Holic.

The bottom line is what is the penalty for sin?  Jesus bore that on the cross.  If it is eternal damnation than only divinity could have survived it.  If it was less than that and a mere mortal man could have ultimately survived it.  Than why not simply impose it on Adam and Eve and be done with the whole thing?
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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2019, 08:54:17 am »
I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school until 5th grade so the trinity has always been ingrained into my mind. Until I started on forums and really just in the last year, I can't believe how many people to not believe that Jesus is GOD !!! It makes me question my own beliefs and all of the false teachers over on TF out doubts in my mind from reading so much of their garbage. Ahh, the life of a Forum-a-Holic.

The bottom line is what is the penalty for sin?  Jesus bore that on the cross.  If it is eternal damnation than only divinity could have survived it.  If it was less than that and a mere mortal man could have ultimately survived it.  Than why not simply impose it on Adam and Eve and be done with the whole thing?
Yes, sin and death entered the world by Adam & Eve, cursing all of mankind. We need to be redeemed and that was done by the blood of Jesus Christ.


Ephesians 1:3-14 KJV - 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.





Colossians 1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,

2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,

5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;

8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.

9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2019, 09:47:40 am »
Here is another thing to consider when deciding upon the divinity of Christ. Exodus 13:21 records God as being a cloud that was lit at night for the Children of Isreal.    And the LORD went before them in a pillar of cloud to guide their way by day, and in a pillar of fire to give them light at night, so that they could travel by day or night.

Who does Paul say this was? 1 Cor 10:1-4 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2019, 09:55:16 am »
Here is another thing to consider when deciding upon the divinity of Christ. Exodus 13:21 records God as being a cloud that was lit at night for the Children of Isreal.    And the LORD went before them in a pillar of cloud to guide their way by day, and in a pillar of fire to give them light at night, so that they could travel by day or night.

Who does Paul say this was? 1 Cor 10:1-4 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
Beautiful, and that proves the trinity again !!!
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2019, 01:29:24 pm »

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
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  The Septuagint translated echad, one or unity,  in Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One (echad). as εἷς, one, and εἷς is the same word used in  John 10:30  I and my Father are ONE (εἷς). [/size]
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2019, 01:33:21 pm »

 Again, I cannot edit - the links I see are only

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Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2019, 02:30:01 pm »

 Again, I cannot edit - the links I see are only

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I will promote you to Moderator. I think that should fix it but let me know, I want to fix this for you.
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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2019, 03:44:03 pm »
I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school until 5th grade so the trinity has always been ingrained into my mind. Until I started on forums and really just in the last year, I can't believe how many people to not believe that Jesus is GOD !!! It makes me question my own beliefs and all of the false teachers over on TF out doubts in my mind from reading so much of their garbage. Ahh, the life of a Forum-a-Holic.

My Brother P.J. I tell you this not of my own self, for I am no more than what Isaiah 64 wrote:
Isaiah 64:6  (NKJV)
6 But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away.

But from the very words written in the Bible that: If you believe that Jesus was God, and that "GOD" died, then my Brother you better question your belief because your faith, your worship, your idea of God, His son Jesus and everything else in the Bible is worthless. You might as well go back to our Religious roots "Catholics" and kneel down before the holiest of fathers, the self claimed god on earth the Pope and kiss his ring, and ask for forgiveness for leaving his Christian church that he is the head of!

Just remember that according to the Bible: God is Infinite and Eternal. He is not some created "being" who lives in eternity, or travels through infinity and beyond, .. but Infinite and Eternal Is God. A Conscious Spirit/Mind who made in Himself the first of all His creations, which is His Word.
Just like all languages, just as words in books can create stories and even "worlds" like in sci-fi fantasy, God's first "language" He also made into His son, whom He properly called "Word".

John 1:1-14 and Colossians, and all the other Bible places I posted explains all this.
Yes, we are constantly bombarded with some really out of this world, or should I say: "Out of this Heaven and earth" ideologies, like we are in your CF and other Christian Forums.

No one so far has Biblically refuted my Biblical step-by-step picture of
1) who God Is
2) who His son Word is
3) how God created all things "though him"
4) who we, .. created in Gods image are
5) what the word "Christian" was originally used for
6) Why and how Satan used that mock word, and taken both the Jewish writings of the Prophets, and the writings of Christs chosen Apostles and created himself as God the old

Isaiah 14:12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’


and uses it again and again in the "son of God". See what he does: son of the morning / son of God all in mans worship of the sun. And there is no way anyone could deny that the creators of this mock Christian Religion, the Roman Catholics don't worship the sun?

To understand God, you will have to understand who you, if you believe you were created in Gods image, are? If we can't understand who we are, then how will we ever understand who our Creator God is? Satan is literally ripping us apart in tens of thousands of denominational pieces!

Don't try to find God in your body, you know how our Creator told Adam: "From dust thou art, to dust you shall return", but there is something else in that body, once you understand what and whose that is, you will understand God and the rest of God's creation enough to get a picture. With this wisdom you will start piecing together the rest of the Bible.

God bless you, and I pray that your Forums will blossom, and that it will remain a place where all walks of life, with all their crazy religious ideologies come together and learn, and finally see the light, that light of men who came into the world to reveal God, our God and his God to us?


Your friend and brother forever!
Arius/Evidence
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2019, 04:44:53 pm »
I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school until 5th grade so the trinity has always been ingrained into my mind. Until I started on forums and really just in the last year, I can't believe how many people to not believe that Jesus is GOD !!! It makes me question my own beliefs and all of the false teachers over on TF out doubts in my mind from reading so much of their garbage. Ahh, the life of a Forum-a-Holic.

My Brother P.J. I tell you this not of my own self, for I am no more than what Isaiah 64 wrote:
Isaiah 64:6  (NKJV)
6 But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away.

But from the very words written in the Bible that: If you believe that Jesus was God, and that "GOD" died, then my Brother you better question your belief because your faith, your worship, your idea of God, His son Jesus and everything else in the Bible is worthless. You might as well go back to our Religious roots "Catholics" and kneel down before the holiest of fathers, the self claimed god on earth the Pope and kiss his ring, and ask for forgiveness for leaving his Christian church that he is the head of!

Just remember that according to the Bible: God is Infinite and Eternal. He is not some created "being" who lives in eternity, or travels through infinity and beyond, .. but Infinite and Eternal Is God. A Conscious Spirit/Mind who made in Himself the first of all His creations, which is His Word.
Just like all languages, just as words in books can create stories and even "worlds" like in sci-fi fantasy, God's first "language" He also made into His son, whom He properly called "Word".

John 1:1-14 and Colossians, and all the other Bible places I posted explains all this.
Yes, we are constantly bombarded with some really out of this world, or should I say: "Out of this Heaven and earth" ideologies, like we are in your CF and other Christian Forums.

No one so far has Biblically refuted my Biblical step-by-step picture of
1) who God Is
2) who His son Word is
3) how God created all things "though him"
4) who we, .. created in Gods image are
5) what the word "Christian" was originally used for
6) Why and how Satan used that mock word, and taken both the Jewish writings of the Prophets, and the writings of Christs chosen Apostles and created himself as God the old

Isaiah 14:12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’


and uses it again and again in the "son of God". See what he does: son of the morning / son of God all in mans worship of the sun. And there is no way anyone could deny that the creators of this mock Christian Religion, the Roman Catholics don't worship the sun?

To understand God, you will have to understand who you, if you believe you were created in Gods image, are? If we can't understand who we are, then how will we ever understand who our Creator God is? Satan is literally ripping us apart in tens of thousands of denominational pieces!

Don't try to find God in your body, you know how our Creator told Adam: "From dust thou art, to dust you shall return", but there is something else in that body, once you understand what and whose that is, you will understand God and the rest of God's creation enough to get a picture. With this wisdom you will start piecing together the rest of the Bible.

God bless you, and I pray that your Forums will blossom, and that it will remain a place where all walks of life, with all their crazy religious ideologies come together and learn, and finally see the light, that light of men who came into the world to reveal God, our God and his God to us?


Your friend and brother forever!
Arius/Evidence

It has been rebutted point by point several times. Understanding Christ's divinity is an Amazing eye opening Journey into God's character and love but for those that cannot hear it, it is not salvational.  It is edifying but not salvational.

You base your whole argument on several fallacies starting with the false dilemma that because Jesus was a man he couldn't be God.  You seem to have a huge anti-catholic bias that also creates a guilt by association fallacy that states Catholics are bad, Catholics believe in the divinity of Christ, therefore the divinity if Christ must be a bad doctrine.

Yet in the end, if Jesus were not divine, he could not pay for your sins.  Lucky for us he does it anyway whether we understand the truth about Him or not as long as we rely on adhere to and trust in Him.

It is crazy to believe that the one by whom all things exists isn't God.  If the one by whom all things exsist isn't God then who is?

We tend to view Jesus as only the son of Mary begotten of the Holy spirit but that was just the Word's incarnate phase.  Before that he was the great I am, the cloud that lead Israel through the wilderness. the one that parted the sea so that they might cross on dry land.  After He was finished doing what He had to do on the cross He has resumed His glory and complete divine Godhood.  In doing so the Father gave Him back all of the power he had laid aside to come as a babe in Bethlehem.  so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth! Amen
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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2019, 08:05:32 pm »

It has been rebutted point by point several times. Understanding Christ's divinity is an Amazing eye opening Journey into God's character and love but for those that cannot hear it, it is not salvational.  It is edifying but not salvational.

I know all about the Christian Christs divinity, but obvious enough that Christians who defend the divine Trinity-gods don't, .. and no one has ever rebutted the Bibles claims that; from the divine come divinations, which is an abomination to the Lord! No one even tried, .. because the holy-Christian-divines are never to be Debated.
Besides, this post was for my dear friend @patrick jane, who are you, a Jesuit watcher, one of the Knight Templars making sure he does not deviate in his thinking?

Since you would not listen to Biblical Reasoning please watch this video that touches on the divine, divinations, and the gods in the Christian Trinity. But of course, that can only happen if the Christian spirits from the divine will allow you to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fDFPQoqmYs


If you studied, .. no, if you "researched' history, you would have realized by now that the teaching about the divine is taught in Jesuit built Trinity Colleges, and Christian Schools of Divinity Yes, these were all orchestrated and built by the Jesuit Order aka Knights Templar whose head is the Black Pope aka Grand Master, wearing the white robe to cover the black.
Jesuit, the Knight Templar, the Illuminati, the Free Masons, Mormonism, .. these were all created by, and still are all under the "R.C. Christian" umbrella, yes, the same R.C. Christian who put up the Georgia Guide Stones, and yes, the 2.3 billion Christians are ready to take up Christs sword (Constantine's sword) and start the torture, beheading, and extermination of 6.5 billion people, lead by the same Knights Templar Grand Master, only this time as Pope aka God On Earth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vseEmfr88g

(just remove the word Christian when he is talking about the Believers, because he still doesn't know that the Jesuits he is referring to are the Real Christians!)

Quote from: Grace_accepted
You base your whole argument on several fallacies starting with the false dilemma that because Jesus was a man he couldn't be God.

Fallacies? Tell me then, who was the Angel of Fire talking to Moses, .. was he God?
If you say no, then I ask: "Why? Can't you imagine and believe that an Angel can be God? Especially if you believe a man can be God, then why not an Angel of the Lord?"

Quote
You seem to have a huge anti-catholic bias that also creates a guilt by association fallacy that states Catholics are bad, Catholics believe in the divinity of Christ, therefore the divinity if Christ must be a bad doctrine.

When have I ever said that; "Catholics are bad"? Show me one place?
Just because a man stole something would not make him bad. It is stealing that is bad. The same with divinations and going to Schools of Divinity to become witches and warlocks in the Christian Church so you can hypnotize the dumbed down sheep that Jesus was God, and you killed him. That is exactly the message, since in reality, it is our sins who put, and then killed our Lord Jesus on the cross. So by making Jesus God with your Jesuit School training, you kill God.

Quote
Yet in the end, if Jesus were not divine, he could not pay for your sins.  Lucky for us he does it anyway whether we understand the truth about Him or not as long as we rely on adhere to and trust in Him.

Oh no, .. you don't WANT to understand the truth about Jesus, instead, you are defending the Christian heresy that says God died.

Quote
It is crazy to believe that the one by whom all things exists isn't God.  If the one by whom all things exsist isn't God then who is?

Wow, .. where did you ever get this Trinity idea that; BY him (the son Word) all things exist? God created all things THROUGH him. Show me one place that says Jesus created anything?
John 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.


Quote from: Grace_Acepted
We tend to view Jesus as only the son of Mary begotten of the Holy spirit but that was just the Word's incarnate phase.  Before that he was the great I am, the cloud that lead Israel through the wilderness. the one that parted the sea so that they might cross on dry land.  After He was finished doing what He had to do on the cross He has resumed His glory and complete divine Godhood.  In doing so the Father gave Him back all of the power he had laid aside to come as a babe in Bethlehem.  so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth! Amen

Go divine your Jesuit lies to someone else, .. actually I take that back. In Jesus name I ask that you stop divining your lies to those who seek Jesus!
I know all about the Jesuit oath, and what Judgment our Lord Jesus Christ will bring with him upon those who lead even one of the little ones, those reading the Bible and seeking God astray!
Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

There is but One Infinite and Eternal God, and since Infinite is borderless, you can't have any other gods besides Him.

God did not die, His son Word did, for you and for me, because - John 3:16

God is not a being, but the Ground of being - Tillich
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Re: Internal Coherence of Christs Divinity
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2019, 08:18:08 pm »

It has been rebutted point by point several times. Understanding Christ's divinity is an Amazing eye opening Journey into God's character and love but for those that cannot hear it, it is not salvational.  It is edifying but not salvational.

I know all about the Christian Christs divinity, but obvious enough that Christians who defend the divine Trinity-gods don't, .. and no one has ever rebutted the Bibles claims that; from the divine come divinations, which is an abomination to the Lord! No one even tried, .. because the holy-Christian-divines are never to be Debated.
Besides, this post was for my dear friend @patrick jane, who are you, a Jesuit watcher, one of the Knight Templars making sure he does not deviate in his thinking?

Since you would not listen to Biblical Reasoning please watch this video that touches on the divine, divinations, and the gods in the Christian Trinity. But of course, that can only happen if the Christian spirits from the divine will allow you to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fDFPQoqmYs


If you studied, .. no, if you "researched' history, you would have realized by now that the teaching about the divine is taught in Jesuit built Trinity Colleges, and Christian Schools of Divinity Yes, these were all orchestrated and built by the Jesuit Order aka Knights Templar whose head is the Black Pope aka Grand Master, wearing the white robe to cover the black.
Jesuit, the Knight Templar, the Illuminati, the Free Masons, Mormonism, .. these were all created by, and still are all under the "R.C. Christian" umbrella, yes, the same R.C. Christian who put up the Georgia Guide Stones, and yes, the 2.3 billion Christians are ready to take up Christs sword (Constantine's sword) and start the torture, beheading, and extermination of 6.5 billion people, lead by the same Knights Templar Grand Master, only this time as Pope aka God On Earth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vseEmfr88g

(just remove the word Christian when he is talking about the Believers, because he still doesn't know that the Jesuits he is referring to are the Real Christians!)

Quote from: Grace_accepted
You base your whole argument on several fallacies starting with the false dilemma that because Jesus was a man he couldn't be God.

Fallacies? Tell me then, who was the Angel of Fire talking to Moses, .. was he God?
If you say no, then I ask: "Why? Can't you imagine and believe that an Angel can be God? Especially if you believe a man can be God, then why not an Angel of the Lord?"

Quote
You seem to have a huge anti-catholic bias that also creates a guilt by association fallacy that states Catholics are bad, Catholics believe in the divinity of Christ, therefore the divinity if Christ must be a bad doctrine.

When have I ever said that; "Catholics are bad"? Show me one place?
Just because a man stole something would not make him bad. It is stealing that is bad. The same with divinations and going to Schools of Divinity to become witches and warlocks in the Christian Church so you can hypnotize the dumbed down sheep that Jesus was God, and you killed him. That is exactly the message, since in reality, it is our sins who put, and then killed our Lord Jesus on the cross. So by making Jesus God with your Jesuit School training, you kill God.

Quote
Yet in the end, if Jesus were not divine, he could not pay for your sins.  Lucky for us he does it anyway whether we understand the truth about Him or not as long as we rely on adhere to and trust in Him.

Oh no, .. you don't WANT to understand the truth about Jesus, instead, you are defending the Christian heresy that says God died.

Quote
It is crazy to believe that the one by whom all things exists isn't God.  If the one by whom all things exsist isn't God then who is?

Wow, .. where did you ever get this Trinity idea that; BY him (the son Word) all things exist? God created all things THROUGH him. Show me one place that says Jesus created anything?
John 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.


Quote from: Grace_Acepted
We tend to view Jesus as only the son of Mary begotten of the Holy spirit but that was just the Word's incarnate phase.  Before that he was the great I am, the cloud that lead Israel through the wilderness. the one that parted the sea so that they might cross on dry land.  After He was finished doing what He had to do on the cross He has resumed His glory and complete divine Godhood.  In doing so the Father gave Him back all of the power he had laid aside to come as a babe in Bethlehem.  so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth! Amen

Go divine your Jesuit lies to someone else, .. actually I take that back. In Jesus name I ask that you stop divining your lies to those who seek Jesus!
I know all about the Jesuit oath, and what Judgment our Lord Jesus Christ will bring with him upon those who lead even one of the little ones, those reading the Bible and seeking God astray!
Don't be so hard on GA, I don't think he's a Jesuit and he's our brother in Christ as far as I can tell. Good post brother and I will watch those videos soon.
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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