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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #104 on: August 22, 2019, 09:35:55 pm »
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Years ago when I underwent recruit training in the US Army, we were processed in alphabetical order; consequently I was at the back of the line for just about everything except chow because my last name begins with W --very few guys' names began with X, Y, or Z.

If perchance the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 is scheduled to be done in alphabetical order, it would quite possibly be centuries before my turn came to face the music were I among those in line to be called forward.

Let's say, for example, that the pop clock update below represents one hour in court per person. No doubt that's an extremely conservative amount of time allotted to evaluate every little detail in peoples' lives but we're just being hypothetical here so it doesn't matter.

Well; 20,102,280 hours equals 837,595 days of twenty-fours hours each; which adds up to 2,295 years if the great white throne event is scheduled to run non-stop, day and night, 24/7


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 330 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 20,102,280 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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don't want to be a part of that White Throne Judgement...Bad vibes

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #105 on: September 10, 2019, 10:28:37 am »
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Something I've been curious about for some time now is why the rich man in Luke's narrative arrived in a place of flame and torment while the poor man was taken to a place of comfort.

Well; one thing I strongly suspect is that at the time of the incident recorded in Luke 16:19-31, Christ was not yet born in the land of Israel; so then, there was not yet a gospel to believe in the New Testament.

Abraham mentions the Old Testament's law and its prophets; which apparently the rich man had not studied, nor taken seriously; consequently he was impious and a complete failure at complying with the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Well, if so; then that was a fatal error.

Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.

The grammatical tense of that curse is present tense rather than future, indicating that the curse is instant, i.e. no delay and no waiting period; ergo: scofflaws are walking dead men; and if they cross over into the next life as dead men, then their fate will be just as solidly sealed as the rich man's fate.

Luke 16:27-31 . . I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.

. . . Abraham replied: They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them. The man replied: No, father Abraham; but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent. Abraham said to him: If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.

Abraham was a prophet (Gen 20:7) which means he was an inspired man. As such, he would be privy to information that's normally unavailable to the average rank and file pew warmer. However prophets aren't meant to keep what they hear from God to themselves; they're messengers, e.g. Abraham was a teacher/mentor. (Gen 18:19)

So then, I think it's fairly safe to assume the information that Abraham passed on to the rich man came to Abraham via inspiration; which, if so, means that our reaction to his remarks should be very different than the rich man's. He brushed aside what Abraham told him; but we, I should hope, are wiser than that impious dunce because we know that a prophet's teachings are the voice of God.

I think it's pretty safe to assert that if people won't listen to Abraham, then neither will they listen to Christ.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 351 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 21,381,516 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #106 on: September 12, 2019, 09:49:37 pm »
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Something I've been curious about for some time now is why the rich man in Luke's narrative arrived in a place of flame and torment while the poor man was taken to a place of comfort.

Well; one thing I strongly suspect is that at the time of the incident recorded in Luke 16:19-31, Christ was not yet born in the land of Israel; so then, there was not yet a gospel to believe in the New Testament.

Abraham mentions the Old Testament's law and its prophets; which apparently the rich man had not studied, nor taken seriously; consequently he was impious and a complete failure at complying with the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Well, if so; then that was a fatal error.

Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.

The grammatical tense of that curse is present tense rather than future, indicating that the curse is instant, i.e. no delay and no waiting period; ergo: scofflaws are walking dead men; and if they cross over into the next life as dead men, then their fate will be just as solidly sealed as the rich man's fate.

Luke 16:27-31 . . I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.

. . . Abraham replied: They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them. The man replied: No, father Abraham; but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent. Abraham said to him: If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.

Abraham was a prophet (Gen 20:7) which means he was an inspired man. As such, he would be privy to information that's normally unavailable to the average rank and file pew warmer. However prophets aren't meant to keep what they hear from God to themselves; they're messengers, e.g. Abraham was a teacher/mentor. (Gen 18:19)

So then, I think it's fairly safe to assume the information that Abraham passed on to the rich man came to Abraham via inspiration; which, if so, means that our reaction to his remarks should be very different than the rich man's. He brushed aside what Abraham told him; but we, I should hope, are wiser than that impious dunce because we know that a prophet's teachings are the voice of God.

I think it's pretty safe to assert that if people won't listen to Abraham, then neither will they listen to Christ.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 351 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 21,381,516 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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I see your still counting lost souls

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #107 on: September 13, 2019, 10:05:54 am »
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Internet forums are a cruel venue. Participants write their academic comments about hell as if we're all members of a Jane Austen book club casually discussing a chapter of Pride And Prejudice.

But the numbers that I post on this thread from time to time are not fiction; they represent real people whose lives have culminated in unspeakable tragedy. I'd much prefer eternity in a looney bin, soling my pants and drooling all over myself like a stroke victim, than be where those unfortunates are in residence now.

Luke 16:27-28 . .The rich man answered: "I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment."

The rich man knew something about hell that apparently many of us online seem unable to fully appreciate. The time to be thinking about the hereafter is while we're in this life, now, before it ends, rather than the next when it will be too late to do anything about it.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 354 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 21,564,264 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #108 on: September 18, 2019, 09:06:49 pm »
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Jonah 1:17 . . Jonah was in the belly of a fish for three days and three nights

Q: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

A: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

Q: The whole time?

A: No.

At some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place called sheol (Jonah 2:2) which he sited at the bottoms of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well; the bottoms of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, no; they're located down deep in the earth. So, the only way that Jonah could possibly be at the bottoms of the mountains while in the belly of a fish at the same time was for the man and his body to part company and go their separate ways.

Just before being cast ashore, Jonah prayed thus:

Jonah 2:6 . .To the bottoms of the mountains I went down. As for the earth, its bars were upon me for time indefinite. But out of the pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" in that verse is the very same word for pit in Ps 16:8-10; which Acts 2:25-31 verifies is speaking of putrefaction. In other words: Jonah 2:6 tells of Jonah's resurrection. (There's reason to believe that Jonah was already dead from drowning in the sea's depths before the fish showed up to swallow him.)

Christ underwent the very same afterlife experience as Jonah's. The only real difference between the two was that Christ's grave was in a rock while Jonah's grave was in a fish.

The key points in their experiences are that both were dead, both went to the bottoms of the mountains while their corpse reposed in a grave, and both were resurrected within three days and three nights. (Matt 12:40)

Q: What does the story of Jonah have to do with hell?

A: It's widely believed that when people die they cease to exist. Well; were that belief a fact; then Jesus would've ceased to exist when he passed away on the cross. As a result: he would not have been resurrected back to life, instead, Jesus would've been created back to life. Jonah's experience proves that Jesus continued to exist out of body when he pass away; and if he and Jonah did, then everyone else does too.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 6 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 365,496 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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You comments are wild to say the least.

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #109 on: September 24, 2019, 08:07:02 am »
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Luke 16:27-28 . .The rich man answered: "I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment."

Luke 16:29 . .But Abraham said: "They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them"

Luke 16:30 . . But he said: "No, Father Abraham"

The Bible says that Abraham himself was a prophet (Gen 20:7). Had the rich man believed the book of Genesis he would've listened to Abraham instead of arguing with him.

What can be supposed ever happened to the five brothers? Well; they believed neither Moses nor the Prophets; so I think it's safe to assume the worst: their fate was the same as the brother who went before them.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 365 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 22,234,340 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #110 on: September 29, 2019, 09:27:31 am »
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At least three Greek words are translated "love" in the New Testament.

There's agape (ag-ah'-pay) which is love as a noun.

There's agapao (ag-ap-ah'-o) which is love as an expression.

And there's phileo (fil-eh'-o) which is love as an emotion.

Just about everybody practices agapao in one form or another. It's an impersonal kind of friendliness exemplified by things like courtesy, sympathy, kindness, tolerance, charity, generosity, and civility.

It's not required to like the people to whom we extend agapao. Even holding doors open for total strangers counts as agapao because it's more an act of the will than of the heart; for example John 3:16.

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

The love that God feels for His friends is different than John 3:16. It's phileo; for example John 16:27

"The Father Himself loves you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came forth from the Father."

Phileo is a personal love; it's tender, sentimental, and close to home; consisting of things like bonding, fondness and affection. God doesn't feel phileo for just anybody; only for people close to his heart.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 370 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 22,538,920 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #111 on: November 02, 2019, 09:40:10 am »
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FAQ: Rev 20:14 says that death was thrown into the lake of fire. How is that possible seeing as how death is not a physical object?

A: The name of the rider on the pallid horse in Rev 6:8 is Death. He and hades are closely associated in Rev 6:8 just as they are in Rev 20:14, strongly suggesting that the rider on the pallid horse represents some sort of supernatural grim reaper in charge of gathering up and organizing the dead for their journey across the river Styx; so to speak.

Seeing as how Death is destined for the lake of brimstone, then I think it's safe to assume that the rider on the pallid horse is an actual being who has little to do with folk while they're alive, but the moment they pass away, his organization is right there to take them.

One of the most disturbing scenes I've yet to observe in a Hollywood movie occurs in "GHOST" starring Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore. When someone marked for hell passes away, these eerie phantoms emerge, uttering awful moans, and drag their panic-stricken prey down into the ground. I don't know if any of that is true or not; but it's about as accurate a description of the activities of that sinister being on the pallid horse as I can imagine for now.

But can you picture in your mind's eye just how shocking and terrifying it would be to die and of a sudden be able to see the spirit creatures all around us stalking people day and night 24/7 without our knowing, patiently waiting the moment when they can haul us off?

According to Luke 16:22, angels provided Lazarus' transportation to Abraham's location. The Bible doesn't say who, or what, provided the rich man's transportation, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the rider on the pallid horse had something to do with it.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 404 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 24,610,064 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.,
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #112 on: November 24, 2019, 11:30:01 am »
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Speaking strictly for myself, I have yet to come to terms with the thought of incarcerating the lost in an eternal, burning, suffering, dehydrating hell with no intermission day or night 24/7/365. I would much prefer that they simply be quarantined and cared for, sort of like a leper colony.

If God doesn't want them in heaven, okay, because there are quite a few people in this world that I don't want anywhere near me in the next life. But I would like it better if He would just exile the lost instead of making them a sideshow exhibit.

Isa 66:23-24 . . From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me: says The Lord. And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against Me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 426 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 25,950,216 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.

NOTE:  A standard D cell battery weighs roughly 4.726711 ounces. Multiplying that figure by 25,950,216 comes out to roughly 7,666,198 pounds and/or 3,833 tons.

A fully fueled Space Shuttle at launch, T minus 10, weighed 2,235 tons; which is about 1,598 tons less than all those D cell batteries. Those surplus tons represent something like 10,818,516 batteries.

From the tip of the positive pole to the base of a D cell battery is approximately 2⅜ inches. Were those surplus batteries laid end to end in a daisy chain, they'd stretch to 2,141,165 feet and/or 405± miles, which is roughly 210 miles further out in space than an average Shuttle orbit.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2019, 07:05:47 pm »
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Speaking strictly for myself, I have yet to come to terms with the thought of incarcerating the lost in an eternal, burning, suffering, dehydrating hell with no intermission day or night 24/7/365. I would much prefer that they simply be quarantined and cared for, sort of like a leper colony.

If God doesn't want them in heaven, okay, because there are quite a few people in this world that I don't want anywhere near me in the next life. But I would like it better if He would just exile the lost instead of making them a sideshow exhibit.

Isa 66:23-24 . . From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me: says The Lord. And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against Me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 426 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 25,950,216 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.

NOTE:  A standard D cell battery weighs roughly 4.726711 ounces. Multiplying that figure by 25,950,216 comes out to roughly 7,666,198 pounds and/or 3,833 tons.

A fully fueled Space Shuttle at launch, T minus 10, weighed 2,235 tons; which is about 1,598 tons less than all those D cell batteries. Those surplus tons represent something like 10,818,516 batteries.

From the tip of the positive pole to the base of a D cell battery is approximately 2⅜ inches. Were those surplus batteries laid end to end in a daisy chain, they'd stretch to 2,141,165 feet and/or 405± miles, which is roughly 210 miles further out in space than an average Shuttle orbit.
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you said:"If God doesn't want them in heaven, okay, because there are quite a few people in this world that I don't want anywhere near me in the next life."

Yet, God is not the one at fault here.....Man is...as each has the ability to reach out to GOD for salvation.  Yet, there are many that will not reach out thus saying to GOD, I do not want to be with you.....

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #114 on: November 28, 2019, 08:18:27 am »
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Jonah took ship from Joppa to travel to the city of Tarshish (Jonah 1:3). That city's exact location is contested; but I think most folk would agree that it lay somewhere in the direction of Spain. Anyway we can at least be pretty sure that Jonah's rendezvous with the big fish took place in the Mediterranean Sea.

Jonah's preaching was very successful in Nineveh; and Jesus specifically credited the prophet's success to his experience with the fish. (Matt 12:39-41)

Well the thing is; Nineveh's ruins are eleven miles north of Mosul Iraq, which itself is roughly 406 miles inland from the Mediterranean Sea as the crow flies. So my question is: How were the Ninevites aware that Jonah was a man back from dead if the city didn't actually observed him come ashore from the fish's mouth?

Somehow, in some way, the people of Nineveh were aware that Jonah survived drowning and digestion in a fish's tummy; a survival that could only be explained by an honest-to-gosh miracle. So when Jonah went round about the city threatening it with destruction; nobody mocked, nobody jested, and nobody poked fun-- instead, everybody got really scared; including their king, and as everybody familiar with the book of Nahum knows, the citizens of Nineveh were a really brutal people not easily intimidated.

This all tells me that Jonah's experience with the fish wasn't a contingency. It was in the plan all along, though the prophet likely didn't know it, because God needed something very persuasive to get those people's attention.

Well; Jonah's recovery worked for Nineveh, but some people are as dense as the wall of China.

Luke 16:27-31 . .The rich man said: I beg you, Father, that you send Lazarus to my father's house-- for I have five brothers --that he may warn them, lest they also come to this place of torment.

. . . But Abraham said: They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them. But he said: No, Father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent! But Abraham said to him: If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 430 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 26,193,880 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #115 on: December 01, 2019, 02:35:35 pm »
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Jonah took ship from Joppa to travel to the city of Tarshish (Jonah 1:3). That city's exact location is contested; but I think most folk would agree that it lay somewhere in the direction of Spain. Anyway we can at least be pretty sure that Jonah's rendezvous with the big fish took place in the Mediterranean Sea.

Jonah's preaching was very successful in Nineveh; and Jesus specifically credited the prophet's success to his experience with the fish. (Matt 12:39-41)

Well the thing is; Nineveh's ruins are eleven miles north of Mosul Iraq, which itself is roughly 406 miles inland from the Mediterranean Sea as the crow flies. So my question is: How were the Ninevites aware that Jonah was a man back from dead if the city didn't actually observed him come ashore from the fish's mouth?

Somehow, in some way, the people of Nineveh were aware that Jonah survived drowning and digestion in a fish's tummy; a survival that could only be explained by an honest-to-gosh miracle. So when Jonah went round about the city threatening it with destruction; nobody mocked, nobody jested, and nobody poked fun-- instead, everybody got really scared; including their king, and as everybody familiar with the book of Nahum knows, the citizens of Nineveh were a really brutal people not easily intimidated.

This all tells me that Jonah's experience with the fish wasn't a contingency. It was in the plan all along, though the prophet likely didn't know it, because God needed something very persuasive to get those people's attention.

Well; Jonah's recovery worked for Nineveh, but some people are as dense as the wall of China.

Luke 16:27-31 . .The rich man said: I beg you, Father, that you send Lazarus to my father's house-- for I have five brothers --that he may warn them, lest they also come to this place of torment.

. . . But Abraham said: They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them. But he said: No, Father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent! But Abraham said to him: If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.


POP CLOCK UPDATE: 430 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 26,193,880 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Ninevah is located near the Tigris River.

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Hell's Population Clock
« Reply #116 on: December 03, 2019, 08:21:21 am »
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It could be argued that the passage below proves that Abel's offering was slain.

Heb 12:22-24 . .You have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

It could also be argued that the passage above speaks of the man's blood rather than that of his offering's.

Gen 4:9-11 . . The Lord said: What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood is crying to Me from the ground.

The contrast is very interesting. Abel's blood served to condemn a murderer; whereas Christ's blood serves to get murderers acquitted; even serial killers and hired guns.

On the night of baby Jesus' birth, a celestial being made this announcement:

  Luke 2:10-12 . .The angel said to shepherds: Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a savior, who is Christ the Lord.

The Greek word for "savior" means the same thing as a rescuer, e.g. lifeguards, firemen, cops, emergency medical teams, Coast Guard units, snow patrols, and mountain rescue teams. Rescuers typically save people who are facing imminent death and/or grave danger and utterly helpless to do anything about it.

Well; in my book; news of someone who can rescue murderers from the wrath of God, easily qualifies as "good news of great joy". Nothing compares to it.
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POP CLOCK UPDATE: 435 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 26,498,460 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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