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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2021, 01:20:26 pm »
Well... for the purposes of this topic Good luck with that.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2021, 01:56:48 pm »
Well... for the purposes of this topic Good luck with that.

OK, thanks.  But I'm not holding my breath.  However, you never know, someone new visiting this topic in the future may know of examples.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2021, 02:35:29 pm »
Well... for the purposes of this topic Good luck with that.

OK, thanks.  But I'm not holding my breath.  However, you never know, someone new visiting this topic in the future may know of examples.
Maybe Jesus was killed on Thursday.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2021, 02:38:11 pm »

Maybe Jesus was killed on Thursday.

That's an issue for a different topic.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2021, 09:17:06 pm »
No?

How about this?  'The stomach of the earth'...?  It's the same word in Hebrew....  The three days and three nights that Jonah was in the belly, or stomach, or "heart" of the fish.  And this 'place' that Jonah found himself, he calls "Sheol"  -in other words, there is 'an-other' word to express the same concept.

Heart, belly, stomach, Sheol, underworld, place of death, even womb.... or grave, or tomb.... you pick.

And we know that Jesus was talking about the same thing because he explicitly states he's talking about the very same thing... (Matt 12)

--for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I don't think it's so much a matter of timing, as much as it is about location, location, location.  Hosea 6 prophesied that the people would be revived after two days.... on the third day.

It could be as simple a comparison as if we were telling a story and said something like "a few days later"  or "sometime later"  - as opposed to a specific time such as if you were to say- "later that same day" or "the very next day."

Why do you ask?  What significance do you apportion to this?

Hos 6:2..(KJV) "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

A Prophecy through His own words....As one day of the Lord is to us a thousand years, two days of being buried in the grave will fall away to being resurrected in the third day. Notice it says in the third day. This is likely a reference to the Rapture that can happen at any time now that two days or two thousand years have been fulfilled. 

Having said this, time is very short for the End of days is nearer to the beginning of the end.

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The three days and three nights in the grave are for real in that the crucifixion happened around 3 PM on a Wendnesday afternoon and was buried before 6PM, the beginning of Thursday, A Feast Day which was considered a Sabbath. Therefore, nothing could happen on this day even travel to the grave site or more than 1/4 mile away. He did indeed arise on the third day after three days and three nights.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2021, 06:43:03 am »


re:  "The three days and three nights in the grave are for real in that the crucifixion happened around 3 PM on a Wendnesday..."

Actually, it happened around 9 AM in the morning.  And the idea of a Wednesday crucifixion would be an issue for a different topic.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2021, 08:27:31 pm »


re:  "The three days and three nights in the grave are for real in that the crucifixion happened around 3 PM on a Wendnesday..."

Actually, it happened around 9 AM in the morning.  And the idea of a Wednesday crucifixion would be an issue for a different topic.

NO, it would not be a different topic.  It is within the scope of the Crucifixion, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, otherwise known as the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Why do you say 9 am in the morning and not on Wednesday? one of us is wrong!

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2021, 07:07:44 am »
Bladerunner,
re:  "NO, it would not be a different topic.  It is within the scope of the Crucifixion, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, otherwise known as the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

It would be a different topic because that is not the concern of this one.  This one is concerned with one issue and only one issue, i.e., the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.




re:  "Why do you say 9 am in the morning..."

Mark 15:25 - "Now it was the third hour, and they crucified Him."   I think that's generally considered to be around 9am. 

 

re:  "...and not on Wednesday?" 

Where have I said it's not on Wednesday?
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2021, 04:05:58 pm »
Bladerunner,
re:  "NO, it would not be a different topic.  It is within the scope of the Crucifixion, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, otherwise known as the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

It would be a different topic because that is not the concern of this one.  This one is concerned with one issue and only one issue, i.e., the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.




re:  "Why do you say 9 am in the morning..."

Mark 15:25 - "Now it was the third hour, and they crucified Him."   I think that's generally considered to be around 9am. 

 

re:  "...and not on Wednesday?" 

Where have said it's not on Wednesday?

you said: "i.e., the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. "

Please excuse my ignorance, but I still do not understand what you are trying to say here?

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1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2021, 06:31:58 am »

Please excuse my ignorance, but I still do not understand what you are trying to say here?

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 The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

 However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.

I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.


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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2021, 10:20:15 am »
Someone new looking in may know of examples.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2021, 11:27:58 am »
Someone new looking in may know of examples.
Very possible.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2021, 06:41:37 am »
And again, that "someone new" needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.
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