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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #91 on:** May 16, 2019, 08:46:21 am »

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Right about the same time that I had resigned to a future in hell; a friend suggested that I buy a Bible and begin reading it for myself.

So I picked up a cheap one, and began soldiering thru it a little every day till I eventually came upon the passage below:

"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My spirit in you and move you to follow My decrees and be careful to keep My laws." (Ezek 36:26-27)

Bang!! That passage really made me sit up and pay attention because it was the spot-on remedy I needed in order to cure the very problem mentioned in post No.88 that was keeping me out of heaven, i.e. the problem of human nature.

But the promise was made to the Jews rather than to non Jews like myself. Would I have to convert to Judaism in order to take advantage of it? Apparently not. According to Eph 2:11-22 the promise has been made available to everyone regardless of their ethnic identity. And besides, according to Heb 8:13, Judaism is obsolete; so converting to it at this point in time wouldn't be useful.
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Bladerunner · « **Reply #92 on:** May 16, 2019, 07:53:59 pm »

Quote from: Olde Tymer on May 16, 2019, 08:46:21 am

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Right about the same time that I had resigned to a future in hell; a friend suggested that I buy a Bible and begin reading it for myself.

So I picked up a cheap one, and began soldiering thru it a little every day till I eventually came upon the passage below:

"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My spirit in you and move you to follow My decrees and be careful to keep My laws." (Ezek 36:26-27)

Bang!! That passage really made me sit up and pay attention because it was the spot-on remedy I needed in order to cure the very problem mentioned in post No.88 that was keeping me out of heaven, i.e. the problem of human nature.

But the promise was made to the Jews rather than to non Jews like myself. Would I have to convert to Judaism in order to take advantage of it? Apparently not. According to Eph 2:11-22 the promise has been made available to everyone regardless of their ethnic identity. And besides, according to Heb 8:13, Judaism is obsolete; so converting to it at this point in time wouldn't be useful.
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Ezk 36: 26-27 is Jesus placing the spirit of the Lord within Israel... This is a forerunner of the mystery in the New Testament.

Blade

Olde Tymer · « **Reply #93 on:** June 14, 2019, 12:24:45 pm »

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Luke 23:39-40 . . One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us! But the other criminal rebuked him. Don't you fear God, he said, since you are under the same sentence?

There's a humorous incident in Dante's Inferno where these two guys are telling the other that they deserve Hell the most. It's comical because both are in Hell and it matters little who deserves to be there more than the other.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 263 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 16,020,908 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.

NOTE: The average thickness of a human hair is around .1 mm. So 16,020,908 human hairs laid side by side would spread out something like 1,602,090 mm, equaling 63,074 inches, or 5,256 feet: almost a mile.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #94 on:** June 19, 2019, 07:27:59 am »

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Heb 9:13-14 . . For if the blood of goats and bulls and the sprinkling of a heifer’s ashes can sanctify those who are defiled so that their flesh is cleansed, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to worship the living God.

Basically; one's conscience is sort of like a moral compass, i.e. it provides people with a sense of right, wrong, fairness, and justice. The conscience not only provides people with some guidance in those areas, but it has the rather annoying propensity to sit in judgment on its owner.

Rom 2:14-15 . . For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending themselves.

In it's current condition; the human conscience is unacceptable, and that's because of its source. We have to go all the way back to the beginning for that.

Gen 3:5 . . God knows well that when you eat of [the tree of the knowledge of good and evil] your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, who know good and evil.

Was the Serpent's prediction true? Yes; to a certain extent.

Gen 3:22 . .Then the Lord God said: See. The man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

In other words; the Serpent neglected to inform Eve that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil has a side effect that alters people's conscience. But is the alteration an acceptable substitute for the people's original conscience; the one that came with them when they were created?

No, because now people are "like one of us" i.e. like supreme beings.

Ps 82:6 . .I said: You are gods

Along with their ill-gotten supremacy as beings came their ill-gotten supremacy in matters of right, wrong, fairness, and justice. In other words; the current condition of the human conscience is unacceptable because it was obtained by eating the fruit of a tree known to be unsuitable for human consumption. As a result; the current condition of the human conscience is diseased; hence the need to sprinkle it, so to speak, with Jesus' blood.

The sprinkling doesn't cure a human's diseased conscience. The sprinkling is actually for God's sake, i.e. it makes the human sense of right, wrong, fairness, and justice tolerable for God to endure whenever somebody approaches Him in prayer and/or worship. I don't think many fully appreciate that the human conscience is equally as repulsive to God as a case of full-blown leprosy is to us.

Anyway; In the Old Testament, it was necessary to sanitize the people's conscience each and every time they approached God; which back then meant either the Tabernacle or the Temple. But a sprinkling of Jesus' blood is necessary only once, and it's adequate for all time.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 268 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 16,325,488 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #95 on:** June 20, 2019, 11:47:01 am »

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Christ's followers retain a guilty conscience; else the passage below would be unnecessary.

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and His word has no place in our lives." (1 John 1:8-10)

It appears to me that Christ's followers have two consciences: there's the conscience they obtained via their natural birth, and there's the conscience they obtained via the Spirit birth about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-12. The "born again" conscience i.e. the new man's conscience, is of course totally free of guilt.

"No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)

One morning in Sunday school class several years ago, a man asked our speaker about the status of unconfessed sins? Do they follow us into the afterlife?

Unfortunately the speaker ignored the man's question and continued with his lesson plan. But later at home I pondered that man's inquiry because it seemed to me something very important to think about.

Well; as it turns out, the old man and the new man don't share a common conscience. By means of a mysterious procedure performed by the power of God, the new man is its own person distinctly separate from the old man.

"In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ" (Col 2:11)

So then, I think we can safely assume that when his followers' body of the flesh passes away, their natural-born conscience passes away right along with it, and they go into eternity with only their Spirit-born conscience, which of course is not responsible for the old man's sins. Neato!
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #96 on:** July 04, 2019, 09:16:54 pm »

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There's a variety of negative opinions about God all across the internet. Some say He's cruel, sadistic, heartless, unjust, unfair, unkind, a despotic bully, a monster, sexist, and just a general all around jerk.

Well, it matters little whether He's all that, and more. It's futile to criticize God and rake Him across the coals because God can't be stopped no matter what His faults.

There's very little to be gained by a man on the gallows with a noose already around his neck turning to the executioner and saying: Your breath stinks. Well; maybe it really does stink but the condemned man is still going to get his neck stretched regardless. He will have the satisfaction of getting in a parting shot but pointing out the executioner's faults won't stop him from doing his job.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 283 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 17,239,228 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #97 on:** July 13, 2019, 09:59:31 am »

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John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and trust in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

The reason they will never be condemned for their sins is because Christ was raised again for their justification. (Rom 4:25). The Greek word is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which essentially means acquittal-- a legal term that can be roughly defined as the act of adjudicating that a person is not guilty, i.e. an acquittal is a legal declaration of innocence.

According to 1John 1:8-10, Christ's followers are never 100% sinless in this life; but that's no longer a legal issue for his sheep seeing as how according to 2Cor 5:19 God is no longer keeping a record of their sins as an indictment to hold against them at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

FAQ: If it's true that people in Hell are destined to be stuck there forever, then wouldn't it be accurate to say they have eternal life seeing as how they will never cease to exist?

A: Eternal life has practically nothing at all to do with longevity.

Eternal life has to do with God's basic nature, i.e. the very core of His divine being; whereas human life has to do with a human's basic nature, i.e. the very core of a created being.

People in Hell live and move and have their being with human nature; whereas people in Heaven live and move and have their being with divine nature. (2Pet 1:4)

If people in heaven really and truly do have divine nature rather than human nature, then just imagine how easy it is for them to please God not just some of the time, nor even most of the time; but all of the time.

The tree of life in the garden of Eden would've extended longevity indefinitely for as long as the people kept nourishing themselves with its fruit and using its leaves for remedies (Gen 3:22, Rev 22:2). So that goes to show that it isn't necessary for humans to have eternal life in order for them to exist a long, long time. There are other ways to keep human life going. I suspect that God has quite a few tricks up His sleeve about which we are thus far unaware.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 292 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 17,787,472 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Bladerunner · « **Reply #98 on:** July 14, 2019, 09:45:31 pm »

Quote from: Olde Tymer on July 13, 2019, 09:59:31 am

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John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and trust in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

The reason they will never be condemned for their sins is because Christ was raised again for their justification. (Rom 4:25). The Greek word is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which essentially means acquittal-- a legal term that can be roughly defined as the act of adjudicating that a person is not guilty, i.e. an acquittal is a legal declaration of innocence.

According to 1John 1:8-10, Christ's followers are never 100% sinless in this life; but that's no longer a legal issue for his sheep seeing as how according to 2Cor 5:19 God is no longer keeping a record of their sins as an indictment to hold against them at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

FAQ: If it's true that people in Hell are destined to be stuck there forever, then wouldn't it be accurate to say they have eternal life seeing as how they will never cease to exist?

A: Eternal life has practically nothing at all to do with longevity.

Eternal life has to do with God's basic nature, i.e. the very core of His divine being; whereas human life has to do with a human's basic nature, i.e. the very core of a created being.

People in Hell live and move and have their being with human nature; whereas people in Heaven live and move and have their being with divine nature. (2Pet 1:4)

If people in heaven really and truly do have divine nature rather than human nature, then just imagine how easy it is for them to please God not just some of the time, nor even most of the time; but all of the time.

The tree of life in the garden of Eden would've extended longevity indefinitely for as long as the people kept nourishing themselves with its fruit and using its leaves for remedies (Gen 3:22, Rev 22:2). So that goes to show that it isn't necessary for humans to have eternal life in order for them to exist a long, long time. There are other ways to keep human life going. I suspect that God has quite a few tricks up His sleeve about which we are thus far unaware.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 292 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 17,787,472 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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So far heaven is just a holding area for those who have died and are awaiting...

Blade

Olde Tymer · « **Reply #99 on:** July 18, 2019, 10:15:45 am »

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I'm sometimes very curious why seemingly normal foods are hazardous to so many people, i.e. salt, fat, sugar, gluten, peanuts, dairy, red meat; etc.

Ps 69:22 . . May their table before them become a snare;

I don't know if the above is supposed to be arbitrary, but it sure seems to be because health issues related to nourishment are everywhere regardless of race, gender, age, or religious preference.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 297 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 18,092,052 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #100 on:** July 23, 2019, 09:11:07 am »

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"A voice rings out; Proclaim! Another asks; What shall I proclaim? All flesh is grass, all its goodness like flowers of the field: Grass withers, flowers fade when the breath of the Lord blows on them. Indeed, man is but grass: Grass withers, flowers fade" (Isa 40:6-8)

Man is but perishable fruit like peaches, pears, strawberries, cantaloupe, avocado, and oranges; no amount of refrigeration will keep him fresh. Regardless of the amount of rest, fresh air, good diet, and exercise; man begins to wither right around the age of 32 or 34.

Youngster's can't really appreciate their expiration date as three brief decades: to them, 32 or 34 years seems long and way out in the distance. As a result, the withering process often sneaks up and takes them by surprise like starting a frog off in cool water and slowly bringing it up to a boil. Of a sudden, one day it swats them in the face like a rolled up newspaper that they're "old school" replaced by a young, hip generation wherein they've been accustomed to thinking all along was themselves.

The aging process, once it starts, is relentless. Its personality is sort of like that of the robot in Arnold Schwarzenegger's movie "The Terminator" which is a machine that can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop-- ever! -- until you are dead.

The aging process is a cold as steel wake-up call that your tenure on this planet is rapidly winding down to a close; and one day, it will be like you were never here.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 302 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 18,369,632 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Olde Tymer · « **Reply #101 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:52:09 pm »

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Matt 28:18 . . Jesus came to them and said: All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Acts 1:9 . . He was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

Dan 7:13-14 . . In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Rev 5:11-12 . . I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they sang: Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!

Acts 1:10-11 . .They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. Men of Galilee-- they said --why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.

Rev 1:7 . . Look! he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 310 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 18,883,960 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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Bladerunner · « **Reply #102 on:** August 04, 2019, 07:44:31 pm »

Quote from: Olde Tymer on July 31, 2019, 06:52:09 pm

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Matt 28:18 . . Jesus came to them and said: All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Acts 1:9 . . He was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

Dan 7:13-14 . . In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Rev 5:11-12 . . I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they sang: Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 310 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 18,883,960 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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still counting I see

Blade

Olde Tymer · « **Reply #103 on:** August 20, 2019, 09:39:13 am »

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Years ago when I underwent recruit training in the US Army, we were processed in alphabetical order; consequently I was at the back of the line for just about everything except chow because my last name begins with W --very few guys' names began with X, Y, or Z.

If perchance the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 is scheduled to be done in alphabetical order, it would quite possibly be centuries before my turn came to face the music were I among those in line to be called forward.

Let's say, for example, that the pop clock update below represents one hour in court per person. No doubt that's an extremely conservative amount of time allotted to evaluate every little detail in peoples' lives but we're just being hypothetical here so it doesn't matter.

Well; 20,102,280 hours equals 837,595 days of twenty-fours hours each; which adds up to 2,295 years if the great white throne event is scheduled to run non-stop, day and night, 24/7

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 330 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 20,102,280 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 24, 2018.
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