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30 Reasons We do not Operate Under the New Testament
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30 Reasons We do not Operate Under the New Testament

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By Justin Johnson


One common hindrance in understanding how to rightly divide the word of truth has been the generally wrong teaching about the New Covenant. The general understanding is that if we are not under the Old Testament then we must necessarily be under the New Testament. This is not true.

There is a purpose separate from Israel’s covenants called the mystery of Christ (Eph 3:4, Col 4:3). The mystery of Christ is the keystone of what God has been doing for the past two thousand years. The teaching that we are under Israel’s New Testament confuses God’s prophetic purpose in Christ with his mystery purpose in Christ.

No one on the planet today operates under Israel’s New Testament (NT). Below are a few reasons why.

The NT was not a mystery. Descriptions of the NT are found in the law, the prophets, and the psalms. The prophetic nature of Israel’s new covenant contrasts the hidden nature of the fellowship of the mystery (Eph 3:9). The subject of the mystery can not be the subject of the prophesied NT.


Jeremiah is a prophet of Israel. Jeremiah 31:31-34 is the most popular NT verse in the prophets. Jeremiah was writing to Israel.


Jeremiah said the NT would be made with the “house of Israel”. Jer 31:31 is clear that the new covenant is made with the “house of Israel, and with the House of Judah”.


Hebrews says the NT would be made with the “house of Israel”. In case the prophecy was misunderstood, the NT fulfillment is explained in Heb 8:8-12. The NT was applied to Hebrews of the house of Israel and Judah.


Paul did not write Hebrews. The operation of the church today is found in Paul’s writings. Hebrews speaks most about the New Testament. However, Paul most likely did not write Hebrews. There is ample evidence that Paul was not the author, most importantly, the internal evidence of Hebrews 2:3-4.


There is no “house of Israel” in the body of Christ. As a nation, Israel has no spiritual standing with God in this present dispensation. They have been counted in unbelief just as the Gentiles (Rom 11:32). There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ (Gal 3:28).


The church of this dispensation is not Israel. This fundamental dispensational truth implies that a covenant made with Israel was not made with the church called the Body of Christ.


The first testament was not made with the Body of Christ. The church of this dispensation has never been under the Old Testament which was given to Israel also. We do not need a new covenant, we need free grace.


The NT promised the forgiveness of Israel’s sins only. It never promised the forgiveness of the sins of all men (Mat 20:28, Mat 26:28). A gospel to “all men” was part of the mystery purpose of Christ (1 Tim 2:6).


The NT pardon would be an honour before all the nations (Jer 33:8-9). When the NT forgiveness is given to Israel, the world will know and “they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.”


Jesus’ blood was not limited to the NT. Jesus’ blood instituted the NT with Israel, however, his blood would also be preached to all men through the mystery of Christ. The same blood shed at one cross performed two purposes. There is no need to place the mystery saints under the NT.


The Body of Christ did not exist during Jesus’ ministry to Israel. When Jesus spoke of the New Testament blood at the Passover meal the mystery had not yet been revealed (Mat 26:28). The New Testament blood is not Paul’s teaching of the blood of Christ.


NT Israel will be gathered out of all countries (Eze 36:24). The church today does not have a country to be gathered into.


The New Testament included a law. Most commentators will admit that the new covenant in Jeremiah 31:33 included a law. Though it was changed, it was still part of the covenant (Heb 7:12). The mystery of Christ teaches we are not under the law and are dead to the law (Rom 6:14, Rom 7:4).
The NT law was written on their hearts. The NT differed from the OT in that the law was not only “in their mouths”, but it was “in their hearts” allowing them to do the law (Jer 31:33). The letter of the NT law was not written on stony hearts but soft hearts of flesh. In both the OT and the NT the letter of the law was present.


The NT included the Spirit causing Israel to walk in God’s statutes (Eze 36:27). With the law written in their hearts, the supernatural empowerment by the Spirit would cause Israel to keep the judgments of God. This is not the Spirit’s ministry in this dispensation where we are instructed to “be filled with the Spirit” (Eph 5:18).


The NT included an “unction” whereby no one needed to be taught. Jeremiah and Hebrews explain that “they shall teach no more every man” (Jer 31:34).


This anointing was tasted by the kingdom remnant in 1 John 2:20 and 1 John 2:27, but is not in operation today. The church today is in need of teachers who can rightly divide the word of truth.


When the NT is fulfilled then all shall know the Lord (Jer 31:34). The fact that so few understand the gospel of the grace of God is evidence that the NT promises are not being fulfilled today. They will be fulfilled at Christ’s return to Earth with the remnant of Israel.


The NT law could be broken. If those under the NT did “despite the Spirit of grace” then there remained no more sacrifice for sins (Heb 10:26-29).
Gentiles were strangers of the covenants of promise (Eph 2:12). According to the NT, Jesus was a mediator for Israel of a better covenant based upon better promises (Heb 8:6). Gentiles were strangers from these covenants of promise. He mediates for us by his grace.


Those under the NT are waiting for a city to come (Heb 13:14). The church today has no city to come to Earth (Rev 21:2-3). We are seated in heavenly places in Christ.


Those under the NT wait for future grace and forgiveness (1 Peter 1:13). We have forgiveness appropriated now (Col 1:14. Eph 4:32). Being crucified with Christ, the body of the sins of the flesh are cut off from us (Col 2:11). The new covenant will take away the sins of Israel in the future (Rom 11:27).


Those under the NT wait for future salvation (1 Pet 1:9). Peter taught that salvation would come from the Lord Jesus at his return (Acts 3:19). The believing remnant needed to endure to the end to be saved (Mark 13:13). We have a present possession of salvation (Rom 5:11). We have what they hope for, but this does not place us under their covenant.


The NT resulted in dwelling in the land promised to Israel (Eze 36:28). The church today is not promised nor do they receive by grace any land on Earth. The NT was oriented around Israel’s earthly promises. We are not under the NT.


We are able ministers of the NT not of the letter (2 Cor 3:6). Paul says we are able to minister. He does not make us priests of the NT kingdom. Neither does he place us under the letter of the NT and its promises. We are able to minister the NT concerning the more excellent ministry of the Spirit because we have been given the manifold wisdom of God (Eph 3:10). Paul ministers the NT in Romans 9-11. Paul teaches about the Spirit in Romans 8.


We received the Spirit by the hearing of faith (Gal 3:3). We did not receive the Spirit through a promised covenant but by faith. Our faith is in the gospel of Christ. The Spirit seals our position in Christ. Under the NT the Spirit’s powerful signs followed those operating under it (Acts 10:46).


The Body of Christ is under the headship of Christ, not under the NT. In Ephesians 1:10 Paul explains that the two purposes of God, in heaven and in earth, will be gathered together in one, in and under Christ. We who part of his heavenly purpose are not placed under the NT earthly purpose.


Israel’s New Covenant is Fulfilled in the Future. Romans 11:25-27 says that the covenant between God and Israel for forgiveness of sins (the new covenant) will be fulfilled after the present dispensation. The NT is presently incomplete. It will be completed at Christ’s return. Our present position in Christ is complete (Col 2:10).


If we are under the NT now, then God is still operating with the nation Israel. Since the NT was given to that nation, concerned that nation’s promises, and is fulfilled in that nation’s earthly kingdom.


God has changed his operation. Since the fall of Israel and the revelation of the mystery, God has been offering grace and salvation to all men (Titus 2:11). This is not an expansion of the NT, it is a separate thing. If God is not fulfilling the covenant in this dispensation, then we cannot be under it.
The fellowship of the mystery is not the subject of either the old or the new testaments. It is not the subject of prophecy. The mystery of Christ is the keystone of what God has been doing for the past two thousand years.


Members of the body of Christ in this mystery dispensation are not under the prophetic new covenant made with Israel. Placing saints today under any of Israel’s covenants robs us of the riches of grace we have in Christ alone and usurps the promises to Israel.


It is important that we remain consistent in our stance regarding the distinction between prophecy and mystery if the mystery of Christ is ever to be popularly understood.
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30 Reasons We do not Operate Under the New Testament

https://graceambassadors.com/prophecy/30-reasons-we-do-not-operate-under-the-new-testament

By Justin Johnson


One common hindrance in understanding how to rightly divide the word of truth has been the generally wrong teaching about the New Covenant. The general understanding is that if we are not under the Old Testament then we must necessarily be under the New Testament. This is not true.

There is a purpose separate from Israel’s covenants called the mystery of Christ (Eph 3:4, Col 4:3). The mystery of Christ is the keystone of what God has been doing for the past two thousand years. The teaching that we are under Israel’s New Testament confuses God’s prophetic purpose in Christ with his mystery purpose in Christ.

No one on the planet today operates under Israel’s New Testament (NT). Below are a few reasons why.

The NT was not a mystery. Descriptions of the NT are found in the law, the prophets, and the psalms. The prophetic nature of Israel’s new covenant contrasts the hidden nature of the fellowship of the mystery (Eph 3:9). The subject of the mystery can not be the subject of the prophesied NT.


Jeremiah is a prophet of Israel. Jeremiah 31:31-34 is the most popular NT verse in the prophets. Jeremiah was writing to Israel.


Jeremiah said the NT would be made with the “house of Israel”. Jer 31:31 is clear that the new covenant is made with the “house of Israel, and with the House of Judah”.


Hebrews says the NT would be made with the “house of Israel”. In case the prophecy was misunderstood, the NT fulfillment is explained in Heb 8:8-12. The NT was applied to Hebrews of the house of Israel and Judah.


Paul did not write Hebrews. The operation of the church today is found in Paul’s writings. Hebrews speaks most about the New Testament. However, Paul most likely did not write Hebrews. There is ample evidence that Paul was not the author, most importantly, the internal evidence of Hebrews 2:3-4.


There is no “house of Israel” in the body of Christ. As a nation, Israel has no spiritual standing with God in this present dispensation. They have been counted in unbelief just as the Gentiles (Rom 11:32). There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ (Gal 3:28).


The church of this dispensation is not Israel. This fundamental dispensational truth implies that a covenant made with Israel was not made with the church called the Body of Christ.


The first testament was not made with the Body of Christ. The church of this dispensation has never been under the Old Testament which was given to Israel also. We do not need a new covenant, we need free grace.


The NT promised the forgiveness of Israel’s sins only. It never promised the forgiveness of the sins of all men (Mat 20:28, Mat 26:28). A gospel to “all men” was part of the mystery purpose of Christ (1 Tim 2:6).


The NT pardon would be an honour before all the nations (Jer 33:8-9). When the NT forgiveness is given to Israel, the world will know and “they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.”


Jesus’ blood was not limited to the NT. Jesus’ blood instituted the NT with Israel, however, his blood would also be preached to all men through the mystery of Christ. The same blood shed at one cross performed two purposes. There is no need to place the mystery saints under the NT.


The Body of Christ did not exist during Jesus’ ministry to Israel. When Jesus spoke of the New Testament blood at the Passover meal the mystery had not yet been revealed (Mat 26:28). The New Testament blood is not Paul’s teaching of the blood of Christ.


NT Israel will be gathered out of all countries (Eze 36:24). The church today does not have a country to be gathered into.


The New Testament included a law. Most commentators will admit that the new covenant in Jeremiah 31:33 included a law. Though it was changed, it was still part of the covenant (Heb 7:12). The mystery of Christ teaches we are not under the law and are dead to the law (Rom 6:14, Rom 7:4).
The NT law was written on their hearts. The NT differed from the OT in that the law was not only “in their mouths”, but it was “in their hearts” allowing them to do the law (Jer 31:33). The letter of the NT law was not written on stony hearts but soft hearts of flesh. In both the OT and the NT the letter of the law was present.


The NT included the Spirit causing Israel to walk in God’s statutes (Eze 36:27). With the law written in their hearts, the supernatural empowerment by the Spirit would cause Israel to keep the judgments of God. This is not the Spirit’s ministry in this dispensation where we are instructed to “be filled with the Spirit” (Eph 5:18).


The NT included an “unction” whereby no one needed to be taught. Jeremiah and Hebrews explain that “they shall teach no more every man” (Jer 31:34).


This anointing was tasted by the kingdom remnant in 1 John 2:20 and 1 John 2:27, but is not in operation today. The church today is in need of teachers who can rightly divide the word of truth.


When the NT is fulfilled then all shall know the Lord (Jer 31:34). The fact that so few understand the gospel of the grace of God is evidence that the NT promises are not being fulfilled today. They will be fulfilled at Christ’s return to Earth with the remnant of Israel.


The NT law could be broken. If those under the NT did “despite the Spirit of grace” then there remained no more sacrifice for sins (Heb 10:26-29).
Gentiles were strangers of the covenants of promise (Eph 2:12). According to the NT, Jesus was a mediator for Israel of a better covenant based upon better promises (Heb 8:6). Gentiles were strangers from these covenants of promise. He mediates for us by his grace.


Those under the NT are waiting for a city to come (Heb 13:14). The church today has no city to come to Earth (Rev 21:2-3). We are seated in heavenly places in Christ.


Those under the NT wait for future grace and forgiveness (1 Peter 1:13). We have forgiveness appropriated now (Col 1:14. Eph 4:32). Being crucified with Christ, the body of the sins of the flesh are cut off from us (Col 2:11). The new covenant will take away the sins of Israel in the future (Rom 11:27).


Those under the NT wait for future salvation (1 Pet 1:9). Peter taught that salvation would come from the Lord Jesus at his return (Acts 3:19). The believing remnant needed to endure to the end to be saved (Mark 13:13). We have a present possession of salvation (Rom 5:11). We have what they hope for, but this does not place us under their covenant.


The NT resulted in dwelling in the land promised to Israel (Eze 36:28). The church today is not promised nor do they receive by grace any land on Earth. The NT was oriented around Israel’s earthly promises. We are not under the NT.


We are able ministers of the NT not of the letter (2 Cor 3:6). Paul says we are able to minister. He does not make us priests of the NT kingdom. Neither does he place us under the letter of the NT and its promises. We are able to minister the NT concerning the more excellent ministry of the Spirit because we have been given the manifold wisdom of God (Eph 3:10). Paul ministers the NT in Romans 9-11. Paul teaches about the Spirit in Romans 8.


We received the Spirit by the hearing of faith (Gal 3:3). We did not receive the Spirit through a promised covenant but by faith. Our faith is in the gospel of Christ. The Spirit seals our position in Christ. Under the NT the Spirit’s powerful signs followed those operating under it (Acts 10:46).


The Body of Christ is under the headship of Christ, not under the NT. In Ephesians 1:10 Paul explains that the two purposes of God, in heaven and in earth, will be gathered together in one, in and under Christ. We who part of his heavenly purpose are not placed under the NT earthly purpose.


Israel’s New Covenant is Fulfilled in the Future. Romans 11:25-27 says that the covenant between God and Israel for forgiveness of sins (the new covenant) will be fulfilled after the present dispensation. The NT is presently incomplete. It will be completed at Christ’s return. Our present position in Christ is complete (Col 2:10).


If we are under the NT now, then God is still operating with the nation Israel. Since the NT was given to that nation, concerned that nation’s promises, and is fulfilled in that nation’s earthly kingdom.


God has changed his operation. Since the fall of Israel and the revelation of the mystery, God has been offering grace and salvation to all men (Titus 2:11). This is not an expansion of the NT, it is a separate thing. If God is not fulfilling the covenant in this dispensation, then we cannot be under it.
The fellowship of the mystery is not the subject of either the old or the new testaments. It is not the subject of prophecy. The mystery of Christ is the keystone of what God has been doing for the past two thousand years.


Members of the body of Christ in this mystery dispensation are not under the prophetic new covenant made with Israel. Placing saints today under any of Israel’s covenants robs us of the riches of grace we have in Christ alone and usurps the promises to Israel.


It is important that we remain consistent in our stance regarding the distinction between prophecy and mystery if the mystery of Christ is ever to be popularly understood.


REALLY:?  I do not agree with much of this post. If we are not under the NT or the OT then what are we under.

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Blade, how can you disagree with these 30 reasons? All 30 you disagree with? You put no effort into this.  ;D
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Blade, how can you disagree with these 30 reasons? All 30 you disagree with? You put no effort into this.  ;D
Well it was not all 30 but let me explain, will post it tomorrow evening. Don't have time tonight. However, you are right, I did not put much effort into it. thanks for reminding me.

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Blade, how can you disagree with these 30 reasons? All 30 you disagree with? You put no effort into this.  ;D
Well it was not all 30 but let me explain, will post it tomorrow evening. Don't have time tonight. However, you are right, I did not put much effort into it. thanks for reminding me.

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Here it is for what it is worth..

Blade, how can you disagree with these 30 reasons? All 30 you disagree with? You put no effort into this.  ;D

ok, let me explain.

By Justin Johnson

One common hindrance in understanding how to rightly divide the word of truth has been the generally wrong teaching about the New Covenant. The general understanding is that if we are not under the Old Testament then we must necessarily be under the New Testament. This is not true.

There is a purpose separate from Israel’s covenants called the mystery of Christ (Eph 3:4, Col 4:3). The mystery of Christ is the keystone of what God has been doing for the past two thousand years. The teaching that we are under Israel’s New Testament confuses God’s prophetic purpose in Christ with his mystery purpose in Christ.

No one on the planet today operates under Israel’s New Testament (NT). Below are a few reasons why.

“Israel’s New Testament (NT)” being mentioned above brings up several questions but one that is most important...How did the NT become “Israel’s New Testament”. I find nothing above that tells me the NT is  for Israel only.



The NT was not a mystery. Descriptions of the NT are found in the law, the prophets, and the psalms. The prophetic nature of Israel’s new covenant contrasts the hidden nature of the fellowship of the mystery (Eph 3:9). The subject of the mystery can not be the subject of the prophesied NT.

Who is speaking about the NT being a mystery. If “mystery” means “hidden” then the NT was indeed hidden in the OT. Prophecies of the OT revealed events to happen yet failed to mention they would be set aside in another testament. The making of a NT was only revealed in Heb 9:16-17. The writings of the OT were finished in 270 BC at Alexandria, Greece. 

From the beginning of the NT, it is clear this new testament would be the defining  of a specific ‘Ekklesia’. This  ‘ekklesia ‘ was very specific to Jesus Christ….We see in Mat 16:18..”And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter,(stone) and upon this rock, I will build my church  (ekklesia) ; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”   (Emphasis added)

Having said this, “The NT was not a mystery. Descriptions of the NT are found in the law, the prophets, and the psalms.” as described above is not true either. The mystery of the Ekklesia (the Church) remained a mystery until Paul brought it forth in the NT. The Mystery of the Messiah of Israel and the Savior of the world were both prophesied in the OT and revealed in the NT. 

How  the “prophetic nature  of Israel’s New Covenant”is  brought into the Eph 3:9 scripture escapes me. It is not mentioned in either pre or post context of Eph 3:9. 


Jeremiah is a prophet of Israel. Jeremiah 31:31-34 is the most popular NT verse in the prophets. Jeremiah was writing to Israel.

How is  the New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34), “a popular NT verse “when it is in the OT.

Jeremiah said the NT would be made with the “house of Israel”. Jer 31:31 is clear that the new covenant is made with the “house of Israel, and with the House of Judah”.

Is this a typo error…”Jeremiah said the NT would be made with the “house of Israel”....I hope so….for it makes no sense whatsoever.

Hebrews says the NT would be made with the “house of Israel”. In case the prophecy was misunderstood, the NT fulfillment is explained in Heb 8:8-12. The NT was applied to Hebrews of the house of Israel and Judah.

This has to be a typo error. There is no explanation of it if it is not a typo.

Paul did not write Hebrews. The operation of the church today is found in Paul’s writings. Hebrews speaks most about the New Testament. However, Paul most likely did not write Hebrews. There is ample evidence that Paul was not the author, most importantly, the internal evidence of Hebrews 2:3-4.

There is much disagreement as to who wrote Hebrews. Because of some technical/stylistic notes, I believe Paul did indeed write Hebrews. I see nothing in Heb 2:3-4 that precludes Paul being the author.

Paul is speaking to the Messianic Jews, those who believe in Jesus Christ.  I do agree that Paul is speaking about the NT as it is about the Ekklesia of Jesus Christ.


There is no “house of Israel” in the body of Christ. As a nation, Israel has no spiritual standing with God in this present dispensation. They have not counted in unbelief just as the Gentiles (Rom 11:32). There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ (Gal 3:28).

I agree there is no House of Israel in the Body of Christ. I also agree with the statement that Israel as a nation has no spiritual standing with GOD in Church dispensation era. I am not sure what the author is trying to convey in the last two sentences?


The church of this dispensation is not Israel. This fundamental dispensational truth implies that a covenant made with Israel was not made with the church called the Body of Christ.

Agree

The first testament was not made with the Body of Christ. The church of this dispensation has never been under the Old Testament which was given to Israel also. We do not need a new covenant, we need free grace.

The First Testament the author mentions is most likely the OT yet, the author makes a plural out of the two sentences by the  “given to Israel ALSO” statement. Thus I do not understand what the author is trying to say.

The NT promised the forgiveness of Israel’s sins only. It never promised the forgiveness of the sins of all men (Mat 20:28, Mat 26:28). A gospel to “all men” was part of the mystery purpose of Christ (1 Tim 2:6).

Again, the “NT” or the “NC” I cannot tell. The New Testament does state that because of Jesus Christ, the world’s (who GOD loved so much) sins would be forgiven. The “NC” was specific for the REMANT of Israel.

The NT pardon would be an honour before all the nations (Jer 33:8-9). When the NT forgiveness is given to Israel, the world will know and “they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.”

“NT Israel” sees to be the bane of the author’s existance. Jeremiah does not state such but only about a future time. As we can see the past it was a far future to those who were hearing His words.

Jesus’ blood was not limited to the NT. Jesus’ blood instituted the NT with Israel, however, his blood would also be preached to all men through the mystery of Christ. The same blood shed at one cross performed two purposes. There is no need to place the mystery saints under the NT.

The author uses NT as if He is trying to define HIS early NT dealings with Israel.  Yes, His blood was shed for the WORLD, not just Israel. Is  the Mystery Saints speaking of the church or of the Tribulation Saints or of the 144,000 saints? I do not know but do know that His Church was indeed started within the period known as the New Testament.




The Body of Christ did not exist during Jesus’ ministry to Israel. When Jesus spoke of the New Testament blood at the Passover meal the mystery had not yet been revealed (Mat 26:28). The New Testament blood is not Paul’s teaching of the blood of Christ.

The Church that Jesus created (the body of Christ) did not exist until Acts chapter 2. However, this “NT BLOOD” the author speaks of is for everyone and it represents the Blood that was shed for the World not just Israel. While the author denies the Blood (NT BLOOD) was not spoken of by Paul, the reality is that in many passages, the blood of Jesus Christ was preached to the masses. An example: Rom 3:25..”Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”


NT Israel will be gathered out of all countries (Eze 36:24). The church today does not have a country to be gathered into.

The author still refers to the New Testament and  pulls  the Church out of the NT. This in my opinion is Heresy


The New Testament included a law. Most commentators will admit that the new covenant in Jeremiah 31:33 included a law. Though it was changed, it was still part of the covenant (Heb 7:12). The mystery of Christ teaches we are not under the law and are dead to the law (Rom 6:14, Rom 7:4).
The NT law was written on their hearts. The NT differed from the OT in that the law was not only “in their mouths”, but it was “in their hearts” allowing them to do the law (Jer 31:33). The letter of the NT law was not written on stony hearts but soft hearts of flesh. In both the OT and the NT the letter of the law was present.

All of this paragraph is far from what is actually written...The author is trying to rewrite the NT.  It is nothing but Heresy.



The NT included the Spirit causing Israel to walk in God’s statutes (Eze 36:27). With the law written in their hearts, the supernatural empowerment by the Spirit would cause Israel to keep the judgments of God. This is not the Spirit’s ministry in this dispensation where we are instructed to “be filled with the Spirit” (Eph 5:18).


The NT included an “unction” whereby no one needed to be taught. Jeremiah and Hebrews explain that “they shall teach no more every man” (Jer 31:34).


This anointing was tasted by the kingdom remnant in 1 John 2:20 and 1 John 2:27, but is not in operation today. The church today is in need of teachers who can rightly divide the word of truth.


When the NT is fulfilled then all shall know the Lord (Jer 31:34). The fact that so few understand the gospel of the grace of God is evidence that the NT promises are not being fulfilled today. They will be fulfilled at Christ’s return to Earth with the remnant of Israel.


The NT law could be broken. If those under the NT did “despite the Spirit of grace” then there remained no more sacrifice for sins (Heb 10:26-29).
Gentiles were strangers of the covenants of promise (Eph 2:12). According to the NT, Jesus was a mediator for Israel of a better covenant based upon better promises (Heb 8:6). Gentiles were strangers from these covenants of promise. He mediates for us by his grace.


Those under the NT are waiting for a city to come (Heb 13:14). The church today has no city to come to Earth (Rev 21:2-3). We are seated in heavenly places in Christ.


Those under the NT wait for future grace and forgiveness (1 Peter 1:13). We have forgiveness appropriated now (Col 1:14. Eph 4:32). Being crucified with Christ, the body of the sins of the flesh are cut off from us (Col 2:11). The new covenant will take away the sins of Israel in the future (Rom 11:27).


Those under the NT wait for future salvation (1 Pet 1:9). Peter taught that salvation would come from the Lord Jesus at his return (Acts 3:19). The believing remnant needed to endure to the end to be saved (Mark 13:13). We have a present possession of salvation (Rom 5:11). We have what they hope for, but this does not place us under their covenant.


The NT resulted in dwelling in the land promised to Israel (Eze 36:28). The church today is not promised nor do they receive by grace any land on Earth. The NT was oriented around Israel’s earthly promises. We are not under the NT.


We are able ministers of the NT not of the letter (2 Cor 3:6). Paul says we are able to minister. He does not make us priests of the NT kingdom. Neither does he place us under the letter of the NT and its promises. We are able to minister the NT concerning the more excellent ministry of the Spirit because we have been given the manifold wisdom of God (Eph 3:10). Paul ministers the NT in Romans 9-11. Paul teaches about the Spirit in Romans 8.


We received the Spirit by the hearing of faith (Gal 3:3). We did not receive the Spirit through a promised covenant but by faith. Our faith is in the gospel of Christ. The Spirit seals our position in Christ. Under the NT the Spirit’s powerful signs followed those operating under it (Acts 10:46).


The Body of Christ is under the headship of Christ, not under the NT. In Ephesians 1:10 Paul explains that the two purposes of God, in heaven and in earth, will be gathered together in one, in and under Christ. We who part of his heavenly purpose are not placed under the NT earthly purpose.


Israel’s New Covenant is Fulfilled in the Future. Romans 11:25-27 says that the covenant between God and Israel for forgiveness of sins (the new covenant) will be fulfilled after the present dispensation.

For what ever reason, the Author has tried to make the New Testatment a separate document that pits Israel against the Body of Christ (His Church) This I can assure you, in reality is not the case.

NOTE: there were so many problems the author had with the NT in these paragraphs above that I decided to lump them all together. It seem the author is going around in circles trying to convince others.




 The NT is presently incomplete. It will be completed at Christ’s return. Our present position in Christ is complete (Col 2:10).

If we are under the NT now, then God is still operating with the nation Israel. Since the NT was given to that nation, concerned that nation’s promises, and is fulfilled in that nation’s earthly kingdom.

Yes, the New Testament is incomplete and will be incomplete until the millennium and beyond has been fulfilled. There will not  be another Testament to come as  there will be not another death of a testator to bring in a Testament. Yes, the first part of the NT, (Matthew thru Acts chapter 1) did preach a kingdom of Heaven Gospel. However, that changed in Acts 2, the dispensation (of the Church or of Grace) begins and will end with the event named Pre-Trib Rapture. At this time, a new dispensation will begin (the Millennial) preaching the everlasting Gospel.


God has changed his operation. Since the fall of Israel and the revelation of the mystery, God has been offering grace and salvation to all men (Titus 2:11). This is not an expansion of the NT, it is a separate thing. If God is not fulfilling the covenant in this dispensation, then we cannot be under it.
The fellowship of the mystery is not the subject of either the old or the new testaments. It is not the subject of prophecy. The mystery of Christ is the keystone of what God has been doing for the past two thousand years.


Members of the body of Christ in this mystery dispensation are not under the prophetic new covenant made with Israel. Placing saints today under any of Israel’s covenants robs us of the riches of grace we have in Christ alone and usurps the promises to Israel.


It is important that we remain consistent in our stance regarding the distinction between prophecy and mystery if the mystery of Christ is ever to be popularly understood.

It seems  that many Jews are part of the Church (Body of Christ). The author appears to not be able to deal with this fact. Most of this post is nothing but Heresy or a different opinion on what is considered main stream.

Blade
1 Cor 15:3-4.."For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

 

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