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Study to Shew Thyself Approved Unto God. . . / I SEE TWO CHURCHES IN ACTS 15
« Last post by doug on January 17, 2026, 12:22:58 pm »
I contend that Acts 15 revels that there was indeed two churches. There was the little flock Jerusalem church and the body of Christ that, for a time, existed together.

[Acts 11:19 KJV] "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.".........No Gentiles were being preached to. We have to be careful in assuming which church is being referred to in Galatians 2 and Acts 15. There were churches in Antioch before Paul was saved. Paul persecuted the little flock Jerusalem church and they were scattered as far as Antioch. These churches were not body of Christ churches, they were the little flock Jerusalem churches.

[Acts 15:1 KJV] "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.".........If they came down from Judea, chances are these men who said the Gentile believers had to be circumcised were not from the body of Christ, but from the little flock church (I will explain). ........ [Acts 15:2 KJV] "When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.".........Paul and Barnabas disputed with the men from Judea, not with the body of Christ members. It was decided that Paul and Barnabas and some of "them" from Judea should go to Jerusalem about this matter. If Paul was going to the apostles and elders, these apostles and elders were from the little flock Jerusalem church.

Paul could not have been disputing about matters within his ministry, but was dealing with stipulations being imposed on Gentile believers by some of the believing circumcision little flock..........[Galatians 1:22 KJV] "And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:".........Paul says the churches of Judea were in Christ; the Jews in the little flock who believed on the name of Christ were in Christ, not just those in the body of Christ. ........Paul was unknown to the churches of Judea who only knew he persecuted them. That is why I said that those who came down from Judea weren't in the body of Christ, the churches of Judea didn't know Paul..........[Galatians 1:23 KJV] "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.".......It is very doubtful that those from Judea were in the body of Christ.

[Acts 15:22 KJV] "Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:".........When James says they would send men from their OWN company that precludes them from being members of the body of Christ. The apostle and elders sent chosen men of their own company which is those of the little flock, NOT of the body of Christ along with Paul and Barnabas. This wasn't done by Paul alone.
[Acts 15:23 KJV] "And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:"
[Acts 15:24 KJV] "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:".......It is certain that those who said the Gentiles had to keep the law of Moses were from the little flock churches and not the body of Christ members. The apostles and elders of the little flock did not command anybody to go to the Gentiles and say they had to keep the law.
[Acts 15:25 KJV] "It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,"........They sent believing little flock members WITH Paul and Barnabas. There was the little flock and the body of Christ in view here.
No doubt there were two churches here and saying there was just one church is incorrect.

The little flock church are those who believed the preaching of Jesus and the twelve. They believed only on the name of Jesus, that he was Christ, the Son of God, and had life by his name. They were persecuted and scattered under Paul. They were still in existence during the conversion and some of the ministry of Paul. The elders and apostles from the little flock church met with Paul in the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. The dispute arose from the little flock saying that Gentiles would have to follow the law of Moses. The little flock were the ones who disputed with Paul. This question would have impacted Paul and the church who were preaching liberty in Christ and that Gentiles weren't under the law.
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[Matthew 16:18 KJV] "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."....... Jesus started to build his church while on earth. All who simply believed in his name, who believed he was Christ, the Son of God, would be in his church and in Him. 

[Luke 6:12 KJV] "And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God."
[Luke 6:13 KJV] "And when it was day, he called [unto him] his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;"........Jesus chose twelve disciples to be his apostles.

[Acts 1:21 KJV] "Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,"
[Acts 1:22 KJV] "Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection."...........To be an apostle in the church Christ was building and to qualify as being numbered among the apostles, they had to be with Christ from the beginning of John's baptism.

If one says there is only one church then that church is the church Christ was building. If you say this is the only church then to be an apostle in it you had to be a witness beginning at John's baptism.

Paul is said to be an apostle. How could Paul be qualified to be an apostle along with the twelve in the one and only church if he wasn't with Christ from the beginning of John's baptism? The answer is that Paul was an apostle chosen by Christ to another church.

Paul is not an apostle Christ chose to a special ministry and be numbered with the twelve in the one church as that would violate scripture saying he had to be with Christ from John's baptism. Paul was not just an apostle to the nations as some say, he was an apostle to the church............[1 Corinthians 12:28 KJV] "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."...........Paul was an apostle and set in the church.

The only church Paul could be an apostle to was the body of Christ.
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[Acts 11:19 KJV] "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.".........No Gentiles were being preached to. We have to be careful in assuming which church is being referred to in Galatians 2 and Acts 15. There were churches in Antioch before Paul was saved. Paul persecuted the little flock Jerusalem church and they were scattered as far as Antioch. These churches were not body of Christ churches, they were the little flock Jerusalem churches.

[Acts 15:1 KJV] "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.".........If they came down from Judea, chances are these men who said the Gentile believers had to be circumcised were not from the body of Christ, but from the little flock church (I will explain). ........ [Acts 15:2 KJV] "When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.".........Paul and Barnabas disputed with the men from Judea, not with the body of Christ members. It was decided that Paul and Barnabas and some of "them" from Judea should go to Jerusalem about this matter.
Paul could not have been disputing about matters within his ministry, but was dealing with stipulations being imposed on Gentile believers by some of the believing circumcision little flock..........[Galatians 1:22 KJV] "And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:".........Paul says the churches of Judea were in Christ; the Jews in the little flock who believed on the name of Christ were in Christ, not just those in the body of Christ. ........Paul was unknown to the churches of Judea who only knew he persecuted them. That is why I said that those who came down from Judea weren't in the body of Christ, the churches of Judea didn't know Paul..........[Galatians 1:23 KJV] "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.".......It is very doubtful that those from Judea were in the body of Christ.

There were also some believing Pharisees who were in the little flock, who also said the Gentiles had to keep the law........[Acts 15:5 KJV] "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses."
[Acts 15:6 KJV] "And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter."

[Galatians 2:3 KJV] "But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:"
[Galatians 2:4 KJV] "And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:"........These false brethren were from the little flock. Paul distinguishes the body of Christ as being those to whom it is said, the false brethren came to spy out "OUR liberty", and in saying, which "WE have", which did not include the false brethren from the little flock. The little flock wanted to bring the body of Christ, "US', into bondage.

[Acts 15:22 KJV] "Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:".........The apostle and elders sent chosen men of their own company which is those of the little flock, NOT of the body of Christ along with Paul and Barnabas. This wasn't done by Paul alone. They were sent to the WHOLE church, both the body of Christ and the little flock churches.
[Acts 15:23 KJV] "And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:"
[Acts 15:24 KJV] "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:".......It is certain that those who said the Gentiles had to keep the law of Moses were from the little flock churches and not the body of Christ members.
[Acts 15:25 KJV] "It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,"........They sent believing little flock members WITH Paul and Barnabas.

The little flock church are those who believed the preaching of Jesus and the twelve. They believed only on the name of Jesus, that he was Christ, the Son of God, and had life by his name. They were persecuted and scattered under Paul. They were still in existence during the conversion and early ministry of Paul. The elders and apostles from the little flock church met with Paul in the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. The dispute arose from the little flock saying that Gentiles would have to follow the law of Moses. The little flock were the ones who disputed with Paul. This question would have impacted Paul who was preaching liberty in Christ and that Gentiles weren't under the law.
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[Luke 16:16 KJV] "The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

What is meant that the law and prophets were until John? Does this mean the law was now done away? Does this mean there would be no more any prophets?

The law and the prophets prophesied that God would establish a kingdom which would last forever:

[2 Samuel 7:12 KJV] "And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom."
[2 Samuel 7:13 KJV] "He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever."
[2 Samuel 7:16 KJV] "And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."

[Jeremiah 33:17 KJV] "For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;"

[Isaiah 9:6 KJV] "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
[Isaiah 9:7 KJV] "Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

[1 Chronicles 17:11 KJV] "And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go [to be] with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom."
[1 Chronicles 17:12 KJV] "He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever."
[Jeremiah 23:5 KJV] "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth."

[Jeremiah 23:6 KJV] "In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."

[Psalm 89:3 KJV] "I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant,"
[Psalm 89:4 KJV] "Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah."
[Psalm 89:35 KJV] "Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David."
[Psalm 89:36 KJV] "His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me."
[Psalm 89:37 KJV] "It shall be established for ever as the moon, and [as] a faithful witness in heaven. Selah."

[Luke 1:31 KJV] "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS."
[Luke 1:32 KJV] "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"
[Luke 1:33 KJV] "And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."...........Jesus was identified as the one who would establish and reign in the prophetic kingdom.

[John 1:29 KJV] "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."
[John 1:30 KJV] "This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me."
[John 1:31 KJV] "And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water."..........John water baptized to make Jesus known to Israel.

[Mark 1:14 KJV] "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,"............Jesus began to preach the gospel of the kingdom which was prophesied by the law and the prophets. The prophets stopped prophesying about the kingdom because the kingdom that would fulfill their prophecies was at hand............[Matthew 4:17 KJV] "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.".........The time when the prophesied kingdom would be established was fulfilled...........[Mark 1:15 KJV] "And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."

That the law and the prophets were until John didn't mean the law was done away. It didn't mean there would be no longer prophets. What was meant was the law and the prophets would no longer prophesize about the kingdom.

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This will examine the assertion that there is only one church.

Paul calls the Corinthian church the body of Christ.............[1 Corinthians 12:27 KJV] "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.".............The body of Christ inherits the heavenly places..........[Ephesians 1:3 KJV] "Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:"

Jesus said he was forming his church............[Matthew 16:18 KJV] "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.".............Jesus didn't call his church the body of Christ, he called it the little flock........[Luke 12:32 KJV] "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."

Look at this verse again................[Luke 12:32 KJV] "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."..........this little flock church will inherit the kingdom on earth and reign with Christ a thousand years..........[Matthew 5:5 KJV] "Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."
[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."................The disciples weren't looking for a heavenly kingdom, they were asking when the previous Davidic kingdom on earth would be restored..................[Acts 1:6 KJV] "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"............. if there is just one church and this church inherits the earthly kingdom, then who will be in heaven? Does scripture say some of the church inherits the kingdom on earth and some inherit heaven? It makes more sense to just acknowledge that there are two separate churches; one church, the little flock, inherits the earth and the other church, the body of Christ, inherits heaven. God has two churches which serve his purpose to reconcile heaven and earth to himself.

The little flock of Israel was promised a land on earth for ever..........[Genesis 13:15 KJV] "For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever."........Israel was not promised a place in heaven.

The body of Christ is promised the heavenly places...........[2 Corinthians 5:1 KJV] "For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.".......The body of Christ was not promised a land on earth.
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Study to Shew Thyself Approved Unto God. . . / WHO IS THE LITTLE FLOCK?
« Last post by doug on January 10, 2026, 09:38:30 am »
[Luke 12:32 KJV] "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."

This is the only verse where the believing remnant of Israel is called the little flock. The kingdom that will be given them is the prophetic Davidic earthly kingdom, in which they will reign with Christ a thousand years.........[Revelation 20:4 KJV] "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
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Study to Shew Thyself Approved Unto God. . . / SHEEP FOR THE SLAUGHTER
« Last post by doug on January 09, 2026, 10:12:40 am »
[Psalm 44:22 KJV] "Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.".........This is the scripture Paul cited in Romans 8:36 below.

[Romans 8:35 KJV] "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?"
[Romans 8:36 KJV] "As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
[Romans 8:37 KJV] "Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us."
[Romans 8:38 KJV] "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,"
[Romans 8:39 KJV] "Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."...........It is interesting that here Paul quotes Psalm 44:22, but applies it to us contrary to how it was originally intended. Psalm 44:22 is saying Israel was accounted as sheep for the slaughter. They were being persecuted because they worshiped the true God......[Psalm 44:23 KJV] "Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast [us] not off for ever."
[Psalm 44:26 KJV] "Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.".......Israel was pleading to God to intervene on their behalf. Paul says that we, in the body of Christ, will not be separated in persecution. We will not be as sheep going to slaughter but rather are more than conquerors who will never be separated from Christ. 
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Study to Shew Thyself Approved Unto God. . . / ARE DISASTERS A JUDGEMENT OF GOD?
« Last post by doug on January 08, 2026, 10:10:47 am »
[Luke 13:1 KJV] "There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices."
[Luke 13:2 KJV] "And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?"
[Luke 13:3 KJV] "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
[Luke 13:4 KJV] "Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?"
[Luke 13:5 KJV] "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

In the past I have heard some high profile pastors say that when a natural disaster occurred in some cities, it was because of the wickedness found in them. If you think about this passage i would say this condemnation is questionable. The disasters in this passage were not because they were the most wicked of sinners.
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Study to Shew Thyself Approved Unto God. . . / THE 144,000
« Last post by doug on January 07, 2026, 09:02:07 am »
I will study the Hundred and Forty four thousand. I contend they are believers who believed on the name of Jesus as their messiah and the Son of God. I also think the twelve disciples will be among them. I believe they will be raised from the dead in the same fashion as Lazarus; they won't be resurrected, but only risen. They won't be resurrected until after the tribulation.

[Revelation 7:3 KJV] "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."
[Revelation 7:4 KJV] "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."
[Revelation 14:1 KJV] "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."...........The 144 thousand are on the mount. Their location is significant. They are on the earth
[Revelation 14:2 KJV] "And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:"............The voice of harpers could be heard. Their location is significant as well. The harpers are in heaven.
[Revelation 14:3 KJV] "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth."............The harpers sang a new song. Only the 144 thousand could learn this song.
[Revelation 14:4 KJV] "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the lamb." ............They which were virgins are THE HARPERS. They are the ones who sang a new song in HEAVEN (not on the earth where the 144 thousand are)
[Revelation 14:5 KJV] "And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."................The harpers had no guile found in their mouths.

I have found that when we read scripture initially, we don't get full understanding. At the first reading I thought that the 144 thousand were virgins. Our initial reading misses nuances in the text. Further examination gives us a new insight into the text to fully understand the passage as revealed by the Spirit.

[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........The twelve did not preach the gospel of the kingdom in all the world. The gospel of the kingdom was that the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth was at hand and that believing Israel would reign with Christ for a thousand years.

[Mark 16:15 KJV] "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.".........The only gospel the twelve preached was that the earthly kingdom was at hand.
[Mark 16:16 KJV] "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."............Israel had to be water baptized to enter the earthly kingdom.
[Mark 16:17 KJV] "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;".........this was accomplished by the twelve.
[Mark 16:18 KJV] "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."..........Taking up serpents and drinking poison was not seen yet. These could be seen in the tribulation as protection from the plagues.

I believe Mark 16 was partly fulfilled, but was interrupted by the withdrawal of the kingdom offer and by the dispensation of grace. I believe Mark 16 will be fulfilled completely in the tribulation when the twelve are raised as part of the 144 thousand.
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Study to Shew Thyself Approved Unto God. . . / WHEN IS THE LAST DAY?
« Last post by doug on January 05, 2026, 11:33:36 am »
[John 6:44 KJV] "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

When is the last day?

The last day is the day of the Lord, which occurs after the tribulation.........[Matthew 24:29 KJV] "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:".........The day of the Lord is when the sun and moon are darkened.......[Isaiah 13:9 KJV] "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."
[Isaiah 13:10 KJV] "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine."

[Revelation 20:4 KJV] "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.".........Those that were beheaded in the tribulation will be raised after the tribulation to live and reign with Christ That the beheaded tribulation saints would be included in the first resurrection could only mean that this occurs after the tribulation

[Revelation 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.".........The old testament saints and those who believed on the name of Jesus before Paul, are those who have part in the first resurrection. All who are resurrected in the first resurrection could not be raised before the tribulation saints were raised, so therefore the resurrection of the last day could only be accomplished after the tribulation.
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WOMEN AREN'T TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN THE CHURCH by doug
January 19, 2026, 01:58:43 pm

THE BODY OF CHRIST WASN'T FORMED AT PENTECOST by doug
January 18, 2026, 10:16:42 am

I SEE TWO CHURCHES IN ACTS 15 by doug
January 17, 2026, 12:22:58 pm

IF YOU THINK THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH SOMETHING MUST BE RESOLVED by doug
January 16, 2026, 09:29:51 am

WHICH CHURCHES WERE IN VIEW IN GALATIANS 2 AND ACTS 15? by doug
January 15, 2026, 07:34:36 am

WHAT DOES IT MEAN THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS WERE UNTIL JOHN? by doug
January 11, 2026, 12:02:37 pm

IF THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH THEN WHO GETS HEAVEN? by doug
January 11, 2026, 10:48:00 am

WHO IS THE LITTLE FLOCK? by doug
January 10, 2026, 09:38:30 am

SHEEP FOR THE SLAUGHTER by doug
January 09, 2026, 10:12:40 am

ARE DISASTERS A JUDGEMENT OF GOD? by doug
January 08, 2026, 10:10:47 am