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CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY with BLADERUNNER, LORI BOLINGER and BILLY EVMUR => EVANGELISM & THEOLOGY by BILLY EVMUR => Topic started by: Billy Evmur on April 19, 2020, 05:14:48 pm

Title: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Billy Evmur on April 19, 2020, 05:14:48 pm
To me it is as clear as day in scripture yet as ever in prophecy others take a different view. We are not told to watch and wait for the man of sin, we are to be eagerly watching for the Lord's return and we do.
But Antichrist comes first and with him the great end time persecution Jesus warned us about. Indeed his revelation will be the greatest sign of the Lord's imminent return.

Thess.2.2
That day [the day of our going to meet the Lord in the clouds] will not come unless there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

The Lord will descend from Heaven with a shout when Antichrist seats himself in the temple declaring that he is God. He will be destroyed.

So you see this the end of his career, not the beginning.
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: patrick jane on April 19, 2020, 06:12:41 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjFYSfBsAc
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Bladerunner on April 19, 2020, 06:28:57 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjFYSfBsAc

Yes, the Antichrist, Man of sin, Son of Perdition will be publically known after the Church (His body/Bride) is removed from the earth.

Blade
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Billy Evmur on April 20, 2020, 02:02:08 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjFYSfBsAc


When the Lord comes to take us home Antichrist is destroyed by His power and coming. he is not revealed he is destroyed.
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Bladerunner on April 20, 2020, 08:43:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjFYSfBsAc


When the Lord comes to take us home Antichrist is destroyed by His power and coming. he is not revealed he is destroyed.

OK. If this is the case.. .where and who is the antichrist if we are already in the tribulation...What about all the other prophecies that have yet to happen....

OH Well.'
'Blade
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Bladerunner on April 20, 2020, 08:44:57 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjFYSfBsAc


When the Lord comes to take us home Antichrist is destroyed by His power and coming. he is not revealed he is destroyed.


OK. If this is the case.. .where and who is the antichrist if we are already in the tribulation...What about all the other prophecies that have yet to happen....

OH Well!

Blade
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Billy Evmur on April 21, 2020, 03:53:46 am
The church has always Paul says we have been "delivered from the wrath of God" but again he says "through great tribulation must we enter the Kingdom of God" this again shows that tribulation and the wrath of God are things quite difference. Tribulation is persecution and comes from man.


The Great Tribulation is the great end times persecution conducted by Antichrist when he will set himself against everything called god or worshipped as god, he is opposed to ALL religion ... therefore it is illogical to think that the Pope can be Antichrist.
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: patrick jane on April 21, 2020, 03:57:33 am
The church has always Paul says we have been "delivered from the wrath of God" but again he says "through great tribulation must we enter the Kingdom of God" this again shows that tribulation and the wrath of God are things quite difference. Tribulation is persecution and comes from man.


The Great Tribulation is the great end times persecution conducted by Antichrist when he will set himself against everything called god or worshipped as god, he is opposed to ALL religion ... therefore it is illogical to think that the Pope can be Antichrist.
My grandma taught me about the great tribulation and is from man, I agree. The BOC is spared from God's wrath right Billy?
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Billy Evmur on April 21, 2020, 04:08:20 am
Yo


totally


You are up early PJ ... did you wet the bed?  :D
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: patrick jane on April 21, 2020, 04:11:16 am
Yo


totally


You are up early PJ ... did you wet the bed?  :D
I stream live on YouTube at 7:30 am your time every night. I have a show and regular fans. I read scripture sometimes too. I take naps of about 2 to 4 hours each.
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: patrick jane on July 03, 2020, 09:14:12 pm
Expectations of the Antichrist - Session 1 - Chuck Missler


1 hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjqWb9Gxh18
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Billy Evmur on July 04, 2020, 02:27:58 am
Ol' muddlehead Misler ...
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Billy Evmur on July 04, 2020, 02:35:25 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjFYSfBsAc


When the Lord comes to take us home Antichrist is destroyed by His power and coming. he is not revealed he is destroyed.


OK. If this is the case.. .where and who is the antichrist if we are already in the tribulation...What about all the other prophecies that have yet to happen....

OH Well!

Blade
We are not yet in the great tribulation, we are always in tribulation because we are in the world. There will come a great worldwide rebellion against God and against all religion, this will be headed up by Antichrist. The western church is not prepared.   
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Bladerunner on July 05, 2020, 10:41:38 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjFYSfBsAc


When the Lord comes to take us home Antichrist is destroyed by His power and coming. he is not revealed he is destroyed.


OK. If this is the case.. .where and who is the antichrist if we are already in the tribulation...What about all the other prophecies that have yet to happen....

OH Well!

Blade
We are not yet in the great tribulation, we are always in tribulation because we are in the world. There will come a great worldwide rebellion against God and against all religion, this will be headed up by Antichrist. The western church is not prepared.   

None of the churches are prepared except His Church (spiritual Body of Christ)


Blade
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Billy Evmur on July 07, 2020, 08:11:30 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjFYSfBsAc


When the Lord comes to take us home Antichrist is destroyed by His power and coming. he is not revealed he is destroyed.


OK. If this is the case.. .where and who is the antichrist if we are already in the tribulation...What about all the other prophecies that have yet to happen....

OH Well!

Blade
We are not yet in the great tribulation, we are always in tribulation because we are in the world. There will come a great worldwide rebellion against God and against all religion, this will be headed up by Antichrist. The western church is not prepared.   

None of the churches are prepared except His Church (spiritual Body of Christ)


Blade


I see what you are saying bro. but I fret. Because I hear everyone a'saying the Rapture, the Rapture. the Rapture. But one of the surest signs that the Rap is imminent will be a determined rebellion against God led by Antichrist.


The most awful persecution ever waged against any people in history.


Children will give their parents up and parents their own children to be killed. This cannot be a persecution of the Jews because if Jewish parents were to betray their children they would be betraying that they also are Jews.


It is the Great Tribulation ... and the church is not ready for that.


If the church were wise we would see what is happening in China and go UNDERGROUND.
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: bernardpyron on July 07, 2020, 09:11:23 am
"OK. If this is the case.. .where and who is the antichrist if we are already in the tribulation...What about all the other prophecies that have yet to happen...."

I John 2: 18:  " Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. "

I John 4: 3:  "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. "

John does not say that there is to be one Anti-Christ, as the pop version of these verses in I John would say.  There are Anti-Christs in every age and generation, and some Anti-Christs may be more evil than others.  Bill Gates might be one of the main Anti-Christs now in 2020.


Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Billy Evmur on July 07, 2020, 01:34:21 pm
"OK. If this is the case.. .where and who is the antichrist if we are already in the tribulation...What about all the other prophecies that have yet to happen...."

I John 2: 18:  " Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. "

I John 4: 3:  "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. "

John does not say that there is to be one Anti-Christ, as the pop version of these verses in I John would say.  There are Anti-Christs in every age and generation, and some Anti-Christs may be more evil than others.  Bill Gates might be one of the main Anti-Christs now in 2020.


Ok let's call him the man of sin, the son of perdition instead.


Th.2.3.
Let no man decieve you by any means for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.


who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called god or that is worshipped so that he sitteth as God in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


This scripture is PACKED with information, Paul did not want anybody to be in any doubt. You see he is speaking about an individual don't you? and an event.


He will be very active in opposing everything called god or that is worshipped, in other words he will seek to destroy ALL religious belief. THAT is the persecution I am talking about, the great end-time persecution, the Great Tribulation. We have tribulation but the bible talks about a specific time of trouble [tribulation] such never was since the world was founded and never will be.


Jesus said "in the world you will have tribulation .... but be of good cheer I have overcome the world" so obviously tribulation is not the wrath of God. Again Paul says "through much tribulation must we enter the kingdom of heaven."
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: bernardpyron on July 07, 2020, 05:12:30 pm
Making the man of sin in II Thessalonians 2: 3-12 one literal man has the same problem as making the Anti-Christ in I John one literal man.  The ανθρωπος της αμαρτιας, or man of sin, is a type of man. Anthropos means the human race, not necessarily one man.  The anthropos of sin sounds like it could be the same as the Anti-Christ in I John 2: 18 and I John 4: 2, or the spirit of Anti-Christ.  The Spirit of Anti-Christ in I John 4:2 may be there to explain that the Anti-Christ is not one man.

The problem is that the literalist method of interpretation in dispensationism goes too far and makes what is a type of man into one literal man, which the followers of dispensationalism expect to appear.  And in fact there will be men of sin or Anti-Christs appearing but not one man of sin.
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Billy Evmur on July 08, 2020, 04:47:38 am
John and Paul are as ever in lock-step. I never saw a place where they differ in doctrine or interpretation, with the other Jerusalem crowd I see differences.


John speaks of the spirit of antichrist which was already at work and Paul speaks about that which witholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work only he that letteth will let until he be taken out of the way.

And then that wicked shall be revealed whom the Lord will consume with the spirit of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.


EVEN HIM whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.


The whole church speaks in one voice on this subject [up until the appearance on the scene of John Nelson Darby] strange then that you should think I am putting forward a dispensationalist point of view.


The only way you can introduce doubt into what Paul is saying in 2-3 is by changing the meaning of the words he uses and this JND did, wickedly in my view. JND knew very well the meaning of apostasis that it means rebellion to alter it's meaning to departure as he does was a deliberate deception,


The great end-time rebellion is preached by all the fathers, the coming of the man of sin as a person has been the teaching of the church from earliest times.


Paul finds this man of sin in Daniel's portrayal of a coming king who exalts himself above everybody and speaks astonishing things against God.


He is John the Revelator's Beast.
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: Billy Evmur on July 08, 2020, 04:56:28 am
Making the man of sin in II Thessalonians 2: 3-12 one literal man has the same problem as making the Anti-Christ in I John one literal man.  The ανθρωπος της αμαρτιας, or man of sin, is a type of man. Anthropos means the human race, not necessarily one man.  The anthropos of sin sounds like it could be the same as the Anti-Christ in I John 2: 18 and I John 4: 2, or the spirit of Anti-Christ.  The Spirit of Anti-Christ in I John 4:2 may be there to explain that the Anti-Christ is not one man.

The problem is that the literalist method of interpretation in dispensationism goes too far and makes what is a type of man into one literal man, which the followers of dispensationalism expect to appear.  And in fact there will be men of sin or Anti-Christs appearing but not one man of sin.


What you really object to is the Rapture. The doctrine concerning the resurrection of the just as a seperate event to the second or general resurrection, the resurrection of the quick and the dead drives a coach and horses through your whole system of end-time understanding.


For you like to portray the resurrection as one single event followed swiftly by the last judgement.


This of course denies the the coming kingdom age, the 1,000 year reign of Christ with His saints on earth.


You boys sure do not like the Rapture.
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: patrick jane on July 31, 2020, 09:26:37 pm
This belongs in this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYdv9e9xyNY
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: patrick jane on August 09, 2020, 10:35:00 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lH3sF7rCkw
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: patrick jane on August 26, 2020, 05:00:04 pm
Billy knows
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: patrick jane on September 14, 2020, 06:05:57 pm
Billy knows
He really does
Title: Re: Antichrist to be revealed first
Post by: patrick jane on September 17, 2020, 06:10:44 pm
Billy knows
He really does
Indeed