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Title: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Billy Evmur on September 03, 2018, 02:41:09 pm
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This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on September 03, 2018, 07:03:26 pm
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't


Peter was preaching the Kingdom gospel before Paul was on the scene. and they were not the same. Paul told Peter and the other Apostles after Jesus told Paul the mystery.

The Messianic Jews believe in Jesus and His Gospel. The rest of Israel is still blinded until the Church is removed. 

One other thing, only ONE THIRD of the Jews will live through Daniel's 70th week.

Those Jews that survive will receive the "New Covenant" that will be instilled into their hearts. They will help Jesus Christ reign over Jerusalem for the 1000 years.

Blade
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: patrick jane on September 03, 2018, 07:10:53 pm
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


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Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on September 03, 2018, 09:21:40 pm
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

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Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: patrick jane on September 03, 2018, 09:52:36 pm
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/dispensational-timelines-acts-9-acts-28-acts-9-28-hybrid1.pdf





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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

Blade

Blade
No, those "disregarded" items you mentioned are included and explained in proper MAD study. Keep in mind there are at least four distinct groups within MAD - Acts 2, Acts9, Acts 13, Acts 28 and Hybrid Acts 9/28. I'm still making sense of it all in the MAD community.
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on September 03, 2018, 10:54:47 pm
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/dispensational-timelines-acts-9-acts-28-acts-9-28-hybrid1.pdf





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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

Blade

Blade
No, those "disregarded" items you mentioned are included and explained in proper MAD study. Keep in mind there are at least four distinct groups within MAD - Acts 2, Acts9, Acts 13, Acts 28 and Hybrid Acts 9/28. I'm still making sense of it all in the MAD community.

 WHY four distinct groups, instead of ONE. sounds like Hyper-dispenationalism?

The Church (Body of Christ) began when the Apostles and the others in that room received the Holy Spirit. This was the beginning or the "Age of Grace" and will end with the Rapture (removal) of the Church. All of the distinct Groups (except the Hybrid Acts 9/28) are found within this main dispensation.

I do not believe in the Acts 9/28 Hybrid model as it can be refuted quite easily.

Blade
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: patrick jane on September 04, 2018, 02:56:24 am
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/dispensational-timelines-acts-9-acts-28-acts-9-28-hybrid1.pdf





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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

Blade

Blade
No, those "disregarded" items you mentioned are included and explained in proper MAD study. Keep in mind there are at least four distinct groups within MAD - Acts 2, Acts9, Acts 13, Acts 28 and Hybrid Acts 9/28. I'm still making sense of it all in the MAD community.

 WHY four distinct groups, instead of ONE. sounds like Hyper-dispenationalism?

The Church (Body of Christ) began when the Apostles and the others in that room received the Holy Spirit. This was the beginning or the "Age of Grace" and will end with the Rapture (removal) of the Church. All of the distinct Groups (except the Hybrid Acts 9/28) are found within this main dispensation.

I do not believe in the Acts 9/28 Hybrid model as it can be refuted quite easily.

Blade
I agree that the age of grace started in Acts 2 but the BOC did not start in Acts 2 and neither was the mystery.
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on September 04, 2018, 09:07:17 pm
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/dispensational-timelines-acts-9-acts-28-acts-9-28-hybrid1.pdf





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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

Blade

Blade
No, those "disregarded" items you mentioned are included and explained in proper MAD study. Keep in mind there are at least four distinct groups within MAD - Acts 2, Acts9, Acts 13, Acts 28 and Hybrid Acts 9/28. I'm still making sense of it all in the MAD community.

 WHY four distinct groups, instead of ONE. sounds like Hyper-dispenationalism?

The Church (Body of Christ) began when the Apostles and the others in that room received the Holy Spirit. This was the beginning or the "Age of Grace" and will end with the Rapture (removal) of the Church. All of the distinct Groups (except the Hybrid Acts 9/28) are found within this main dispensation.

I do not believe in the Acts 9/28 Hybrid model as it can be refuted quite easily.

Blade
I agree that the age of grace started in Acts 2 but the BOC did not start in Acts 2 and neither was the mystery.

The Mystery is revealed in Eph 3:1-12..The Mystery was the "Church" which was not known until this time. This does not mean that it had not happened.

In EPH 3: 3a,5-6.."How that by revelation  He made known unto me the mystery … Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as the Spirit now reveals it unto His holy apostles and prophets; That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel "
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The mystery was not about the church but rather the revelation (unveiling) that the Gentiles were included and would be fellow Heirs,  partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel


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Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: patrick jane on September 05, 2018, 04:00:09 am
This seems like a hairline difference between what MAD teaches and how I see it but it opens up a chasm.

The Jews who reign with Christ on earth during the 1,000 years are not the Jewish saints, whether OT or NT. They are the church and will be in heaven with us.

The Jews who reign from Jerusalem and inherit the land are the Jews now, the nation of Israel that now is, ethnic Israel.

We know a transformation must take place, what will that transformation be? for the Mill seems to be a curious mix of law and grace.

God speaking to Abe says "look to the stars, so shall your seed be for number" then He says "if you can count the sand on the sea-shore so can you count your seed

Two seeds...heavenly or spiritual, earthly or natural.

Jesus said "many shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God" they are church with us, or us with them.

The REAL mystery hidden from past generations is not the church per se but the church among the nations, this is what the Jews could never understand in a million years, even though it was told them clearly by Christ, they expected that the world would come to Jerusalem to be taught the ways of the God of Jacob...this is after all what the prophets said, and that will be the case during the Mill.

So Paul's gospel is not different to Peter's but among the gentile nations it had a completely different application, Paul understood it but Peter didn't

I think you hit the nail on the head. Peter and the 11 did not comprehend the words of Jesus Christ in certain instances as also Peter admits the Paul's epistles are hard to understand. That's what Acts 9 MADs understand, one gospel 1 and 1 program. Look at these the views in these charts in the link below.


https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/dispensational-timelines-acts-9-acts-28-acts-9-28-hybrid1.pdf





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It seems to me that the Mid-Acts disregards those 3000 Jews and Gentiles that were saved that day in Acts 2.  It also disregards those Gentiles and Jews who were saved in Act 8. ??

These were all saved and received the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and Faith in Jesus Christ not Water Baptism.

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No, those "disregarded" items you mentioned are included and explained in proper MAD study. Keep in mind there are at least four distinct groups within MAD - Acts 2, Acts9, Acts 13, Acts 28 and Hybrid Acts 9/28. I'm still making sense of it all in the MAD community.

 WHY four distinct groups, instead of ONE. sounds like Hyper-dispenationalism?

The Church (Body of Christ) began when the Apostles and the others in that room received the Holy Spirit. This was the beginning or the "Age of Grace" and will end with the Rapture (removal) of the Church. All of the distinct Groups (except the Hybrid Acts 9/28) are found within this main dispensation.

I do not believe in the Acts 9/28 Hybrid model as it can be refuted quite easily.

Blade
I agree that the age of grace started in Acts 2 but the BOC did not start in Acts 2 and neither was the mystery.

The Mystery is revealed in Eph 3:1-12..The Mystery was the "Church" which was not known until this time. This does not mean that it had not happened.

In EPH 3: 3a,5-6.."How that by revelation  He made known unto me the mystery … Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as the Spirit now reveals it unto His holy apostles and prophets; That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel "
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The mystery was not about the church but rather the revelation (unveiling) that the Gentiles were included and would be fellow Heirs,  partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel


Blade
Nearly two thousand years ago God revealed information that was secret since the world began to the chief persecutor of Christ and the twelve.

“Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:” – Col 1:25-26

Paul was saved by God’s grace and was chosen to make known the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of this mystery.

“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,” – Rom 16:25
This secret, albeit concerning the Lord Jesus Christ, stands in contradistinction to the information that the twelve disciples were preaching.

Peter in his message in Jerusalem after Pentecost spoke of Jesus Christ according to prophecy “which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began” (Acts 3:21).

Peter taught things that were spoken by the prophets and Paul taught things that were kept secret from the prophets.

It was kept secret from the prophets that Gentile salvation would occur through Israel’s fall (Rom 11:25). Also kept secret was the new body of believers that was being created which was separate from the elect nation of Israel (Eph 3:6).

Nor was it prophesied that there would be free salvation apart from the covenants and the law (Rom 3:21-22).

While the prophets spoke about a promised land given to a chosen nation ruling in an earthly kingdom in Jerusalem, Paul spoke of both Jews and Gentiles reigning in heavenly places judging angels (Eph 2:6).

There are many blessings yet future that will fulfill the writings of the law and the prophets including the coming kingdom to Israel. Yet since the secret information was not spoken by the prophets, we live in a period separate from the subject of prophecy.

Instead of an age of law and prophecy, we live in the dispensation of grace which had been hid in God from the foundation of the world (Eph 3:9).

Though the verse clearly says it was secret since the world began, many still try to search the prophets for clues about what is happening now.

It’s time we continue what God started with Paul “to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery” the secret since the world began (Eph 3:9).
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: patrick jane on September 05, 2018, 10:05:30 am
EPIC! Daniel 7 Perfectly Describes What’s Coming!



We live in a time when the headlines coming out of the advancement of science and tech resembles nothing less than the crazy but colorful descriptions of end times events prophesied in the Bible.

What many had dismissed as either gibberish, or at most, allegorical and metaphorical language, are now potential realities due to the unlocking of the human imagination with the computer and internet.

These tools are pushing us ever so rapidly into creating, building, and what some tech leaders call “summoning,” a race of superintelligent AI. The impact of these superintelligent AI will be Biblical in proportion. So much so, that Jesus says unless He returns and intervenes, no flesh would be saved.


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Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Billy Evmur on September 05, 2018, 12:45:13 pm
Ever since Israel became a nation once more the OT prophecies hoved into view once more, what happens to Israel from now on has a direct impact upon the BOC.
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on September 05, 2018, 09:19:41 pm
EPIC! Daniel 7 Perfectly Describes What’s Coming!



We live in a time when the headlines coming out of the advancement of science and tech resembles nothing less than the crazy but colorful descriptions of end times events prophesied in the Bible.

What many had dismissed as either gibberish, or at most, allegorical and metaphorical language, are now potential realities due to the unlocking of the human imagination with the computer and internet.

These tools are pushing us ever so rapidly into creating, building, and what some tech leaders call “summoning,” a race of superintelligent AI. The impact of these superintelligent AI will be Biblical in proportion. So much so, that Jesus says unless He returns and intervenes, no flesh would be saved.


15 minutes

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"Daniel Chapter 2 and Chapter 7 are distinctive in that they provide a Biblical glimpse of all of world history from Daniel's time during the Babylonian Empire (600 B.C.) until the final climax of human history when God Himself intervenes and establishes His own kingdom upon the earth."

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Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on September 05, 2018, 09:34:13 pm
Ever since Israel became a nation once more the OT prophecies hoved into view once more, what happens to Israel from now on has a direct impact upon the BOC.

Billy, this is where you and I will have to disagree. OT Prophecies especially Daniel 9 24-27 take us to Revelation which is NT Prophecies.

None of it will have any effect on the BOC. NONE! as the CHURCH will be removed from the time of temptation. The CHurch will be GONE from this earth.

 God will again turn His attention back to Israel.and the coming trials and tribulation for the earth dwellers.

Blade

Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Scripter on September 30, 2018, 05:16:31 pm
There is so little support for these kinds of things, it needs to stop. 

the only reason for answering what happens to people who die before Christ's return was to show that God has a different way of putting us all back together than for the ones who are still living.  It is not an intersection about 2 programs because there are not 2 programs.  It is not 'one stops here to make way for the other for a while' because there is no such thing.

There is too little support for a kingdom on this earth, from geographic Jerusalem, etc.  The NT does not go this direction.  'In the Seed all nations of the earth will be blessed' which is explained in Gal 3 as Christ's gospel for them.

The longest treatment of these things is 2 Peter 3 and it does not have anything millenial or Judaic in it.  Nor do any of the shorter NT passages on it. 

Don't base anything on the Revelation that is not crystal clear from the letters--says the Reformation.  It was the Catholic Counter-Reformation that piped up the first futurist sequential scheme, the Jesuit apologist Ribera.  Enjoy your pals. 
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on September 30, 2018, 10:40:20 pm
There is so little support for these kinds of things, it needs to stop. 

the only reason for answering what happens to people who die before Christ's return was to show that God has a different way of putting us all back together than for the ones who are still living.  It is not an intersection about 2 programs because there are not 2 programs.  It is not 'one stops here to make way for the other for a while' because there is no such thing.

There is too little support for a kingdom on this earth, from geographic Jerusalem, etc.  The NT does not go this direction.  'In the Seed all nations of the earth will be blessed' which is explained in Gal 3 as Christ's gospel for them.

The longest treatment of these things is 2 Peter 3 and it does not have anything millenial or Judaic in it.  Nor do any of the shorter NT passages on it. 

Don't base anything on the Revelation that is not crystal clear from the letters--says the Reformation.  It was the Catholic Counter-Reformation that piped up the first futurist sequential scheme, the Jesuit apologist Ribera.  Enjoy your pals.

Scripter. I was just giving you the Literal, Historical and grammatical reading of the Bible. Yes, the NT does go where I was stating.

IF you do not believe what God states in the Bible that is fine, as it is your choice.. If you cannot see that GOD will return for His people in Roman 9,10 and 11.

Have a good day. Scripter

Blade
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Scripter on October 01, 2018, 08:03:56 pm
The idea that you automatically go the Rev because of Dan 9 is not sound.  There is only one interp of Dan 9 and it is locked into the 1st century Judean text, as it should be because it is about Messiah's accomplishments, and being cut off, and about the destruction of Israel at the same time, roughly. 
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on October 01, 2018, 08:49:28 pm
The idea that you automatically go the Rev because of Dan 9 is not sound.  There is only one interp of Dan 9 and it is locked into the 1st century Judean text, as it should be because it is about Messiah's accomplishments, and being cut off, and about the destruction of Israel at the same time, roughly.

Hi Scripter/Interplanner...did anyone tell you that in Judaism it is forbidden to read Daniel 9. They are Still Blinded remember. Evidently so are you>?

Blade
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Scripter on October 03, 2018, 08:06:42 am
Yes, Daniel's vision did show the kingdom coming.  It was not made with human hands.  It would not be 'on earth' in the same sense as Rome or Babylon.  Christ:  'my kingdom is not of this world (not the same kind).'  He was enthroned in the resurrection (Acts 2:30+) as foreseen by David.  He is to be preached as above all authority, so that all people--senators and pickpockets--know that they are here by his allowance and they are accountable to him, and will bow to him.  If you do not preach that, or do not attend where your pastor dares to be subversive enough to preach that, move on. 
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on October 04, 2018, 06:07:34 pm
Yes, Daniel's vision did show the kingdom coming.  It was not made with human hands.  It would not be 'on earth' in the same sense as Rome or Babylon.  Christ:  'my kingdom is not of this world (not the same kind).'  He was enthroned in the resurrection (Acts 2:30+) as foreseen by David.  He is to be preached as above all authority, so that all people--senators and pickpockets--know that they are here by his allowance and they are accountable to him, and will bow to him.  If you do not preach that, or do not attend where your pastor dares to be subversive enough to preach that, move on.

Wrong Kingdom? The Kingdom of GOD is the spiritual Kingdom of the Church (Body of Christ) We true Christians are part of it. Unfortunately, not everyone is part of it.

The Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus preached while on earth would have been the Millennium had the Jewish leadership not rejected God(the father), Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. It was postponed and most-all Jewish people have been blinded until the Church (restrainer) is removed.

I don't teach that and would not pay any attention to those who do. It is another Gospel.

Blade



Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Scripter on October 21, 2018, 11:37:45 am
I don't see anything in disagreement with your last post.  Although the opening question is dangling because I don't know who you are saying it to. 
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on October 29, 2018, 07:42:08 pm
I don't see anything in disagreement with your last post.  Although the opening question is dangling because I don't know who you are saying it to.
A previous quote from Scripter....
"Yes, Daniel's vision did show the kingdom coming.  It was not made with human hands.  It would not be 'on earth' in the same sense as Rome or Babylon.  Christ:  'my kingdom is not of this world (not the same kind).'  He was enthroned in the resurrection (Acts 2:30+) as foreseen by David.  He is to be preached as above all authority, so that all people--senators and pickpockets--know that they are here by his allowance and they are accountable to him, and will bow to him. 

[If you do not preach that, or do not attend where your pastor dares to be subversive enough to preach that, move on.] "

[Then I, Bladerunner posted "I don't teach that and would not pay any attention to those who do. It is another Gospel."]

It seems I was thinking of another post when I wrote this in response to the post above. I Do teach that The Church is the spiritual kingdom of GOD, Jesus Spoke of when He was on earth. The Kingdom of Heaven was rejected by the Jewish leadership and was subsequently postpone for a future time. This will be known as the Millennium yet to come.

Blade
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: patrick jane on June 12, 2019, 04:16:00 am
I don't see anything in disagreement with your last post.  Although the opening question is dangling because I don't know who you are saying it to.
A previous quote from Scripter....
"Yes, Daniel's vision did show the kingdom coming.  It was not made with human hands.  It would not be 'on earth' in the same sense as Rome or Babylon.  Christ:  'my kingdom is not of this world (not the same kind).'  He was enthroned in the resurrection (Acts 2:30+) as foreseen by David.  He is to be preached as above all authority, so that all people--senators and pickpockets--know that they are here by his allowance and they are accountable to him, and will bow to him. 

[If you do not preach that, or do not attend where your pastor dares to be subversive enough to preach that, move on.] "

[Then I, Bladerunner posted "I don't teach that and would not pay any attention to those who do. It is another Gospel."]

It seems I was thinking of another post when I wrote this in response to the post above. I Do teach that The Church is the spiritual kingdom of GOD, Jesus Spoke of when He was on earth. The Kingdom of Heaven was rejected by the Jewish leadership and was subsequently postpone for a future time. This will be known as the Millennium yet to come.

Blade
I agree. I concur.
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: patrick jane on June 29, 2019, 11:05:10 am
I don't see anything in disagreement with your last post.  Although the opening question is dangling because I don't know who you are saying it to.
A previous quote from Scripter....
"Yes, Daniel's vision did show the kingdom coming.  It was not made with human hands.  It would not be 'on earth' in the same sense as Rome or Babylon.  Christ:  'my kingdom is not of this world (not the same kind).'  He was enthroned in the resurrection (Acts 2:30+) as foreseen by David.  He is to be preached as above all authority, so that all people--senators and pickpockets--know that they are here by his allowance and they are accountable to him, and will bow to him. 

[If you do not preach that, or do not attend where your pastor dares to be subversive enough to preach that, move on.] "

[Then I, Bladerunner posted "I don't teach that and would not pay any attention to those who do. It is another Gospel."]

It seems I was thinking of another post when I wrote this in response to the post above. I Do teach that The Church is the spiritual kingdom of GOD, Jesus Spoke of when He was on earth. The Kingdom of Heaven was rejected by the Jewish leadership and was subsequently postpone for a future time. This will be known as the Millennium yet to come.

Blade
I agree. I concur.
I still do.
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: patrick jane on July 11, 2019, 05:47:02 am
Me too.
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Billy Evmur on April 03, 2020, 10:14:09 am
The idea that you automatically go the Rev because of Dan 9 is not sound.  There is only one interp of Dan 9 and it is locked into the 1st century Judean text, as it should be because it is about Messiah's accomplishments, and being cut off, and about the destruction of Israel at the same time, roughly.


Israel was not destroyed, the Jews were driven out among the nations as God had foretold them ... they will return and build the temple as told by the mouth of all the prophets
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on April 03, 2020, 03:09:49 pm
The idea that you automatically go the Rev because of Dan 9 is not sound.  There is only one interp of Dan 9 and it is locked into the 1st century Judean text, as it should be because it is about Messiah's accomplishments, and being cut off, and about the destruction of Israel at the same time, roughly.


Israel was not destroyed, the Jews were driven out among the nations as God had foretold them ... they will return and build the temple as told by the mouth of all the prophets

Correct Billy..They were drove out around 135AD.  They are already ready to rebuild the temple today. They just need permission and where to build it..As we both know, the Antichrist will enforce the rebuilding of the this temple...time is close.


Blade

We are very close to agreement here Blady boy. I don't think Ac will be in Jerusalem at the time but he will be in a pact with Israel

Israel is about to become a super power.

While Ac is busy stamping out all religion [especially the church] the Jews will be building their temple ... I don't believe Ac will appear until the prospect of the temple hoves into view.

As soon as the temple is complete he will reneg his pact and invade.

That is my understanding. Israel is saved from the great trib by that pact.
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Billy Evmur on April 04, 2020, 04:37:43 am
The idea that you automatically go the Rev because of Dan 9 is not sound.  There is only one interp of Dan 9 and it is locked into the 1st century Judean text, as it should be because it is about Messiah's accomplishments, and being cut off, and about the destruction of Israel at the same time, roughly.


Israel was not destroyed, the Jews were driven out among the nations as God had foretold them ... they will return and build the temple as told by the mouth of all the prophets

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Bladerunner:
Correct Billy..They were drove out around 135AD.  They are already ready to rebuild the temple today. They just need permission and where to build it..As we both know, the Antichrist will enforce the rebuilding of the this temple...time is close.


Blade

We are very close to agreement here Blady boy. I don't think Ac will be in Jerusalem at the time but he will be in a pact with Israel

Israel is about to become a super power.

While Ac is busy stamping out all religion [especially the church] the Jews will be building their temple ... I don't believe Ac will appear until the prospect of the temple hoves into view.

As soon as the temple is complete he will reneg his pact and invade.

That is my understanding. Israel is saved from the great trib by that pact.
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on April 04, 2020, 04:23:35 pm
The idea that you automatically go the Rev because of Dan 9 is not sound.  There is only one interp of Dan 9 and it is locked into the 1st century Judean text, as it should be because it is about Messiah's accomplishments, and being cut off, and about the destruction of Israel at the same time, roughly.


Israel was not destroyed, the Jews were driven out among the nations as God had foretold them ... they will return and build the temple as told by the mouth of all the prophets

Quote
Bladerunner:
Correct Billy..They were drove out around 135AD.  They are already ready to rebuild the temple today. They just need permission and where to build it..As we both know, the Antichrist will enforce the rebuilding of the this temple...time is close.


Blade

We are very close to agreement here Blady boy. I don't think Ac will be in Jerusalem at the time but he will be in a pact with Israel

Israel is about to become a super power.

While Ac is busy stamping out all religion [especially the church] the Jews will be building their temple ... I don't believe Ac will appear until the prospect of the temple hoves into view.

As soon as the temple is complete he will reneg his pact and invade.

That is my understanding. Israel is saved from the great trib by that pact.

I do have faith in GOD, just not your god or gospel.

Blade
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Billy Evmur on April 05, 2020, 05:00:42 pm
Miserable
Title: Re: The Millennial Jews
Post by: Bladerunner on April 06, 2020, 07:13:36 pm
Miserable

???

Blade