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Title: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
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Answers #26 | Does Trauma Cause Homosexuality?


There's no scientific evidence that  anyone is born gay but there is a lot of evidence that homosexuality is linked to emotional trauma and psychological scarring in developmental years. In this Answers video we take a look at famous examples.
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Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: patrick jane on September 03, 2018, 10:37:36 am
Is Homosexuality a Sin? | Can Christians be Gay?



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Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: patrick jane on September 03, 2018, 10:44:21 am
What The Bible Really Says About Being Gay



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Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Bladerunner on September 03, 2018, 09:06:00 pm
Is Homosexuality a Sin? | Can Christians be Gay?



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It appears that JOE is telling us that scripturally, Homosexuality is a sin but then in the next sentence he tells us it is the same as his sins. Thus as a Christian, (sins are forgiven) including Homosexuality.

I have a problem with that. If a Homosexual repent and turns away from this sin and finds Jesus, OK.... However, it going to be hard to live in 24 hour sin and be a true Christian. I do not believe in Carnal Chrisitans. In a OSAS scenario, homosexuality could not be part of ones life.

Joe also touched on Marriage of Homosexuals and it seems He is OK with it.  WOW....We were designed to be one man and one woman. Marriage is where one Man and One Woman become ONE!.

To me this is 'Sticking it to GOD' and placing Man's  sovereignty over that of GOD's.

Think of it this way for all of you that think this way.  GOD did not destroy Sodom because of Homosexuality itself but because EVERY MAN in the town condoned it. I live with 9it around me because I cannot go anywhere it is not. As far as condoning it, I DO NOT!

Blade

Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: patrick jane on September 03, 2018, 10:01:44 pm
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It appears that JOE is telling us that scripturally, Homosexuality is a sin but then in the next sentence he tells us it is the same as his sins. Thus as a Christian, (sins are forgiven) including Homosexuality.

I have a problem with that. If a Homosexual repent and turns away from this sin and finds Jesus, OK.... However, it going to be hard to live in 24 hour sin and be a true Christian. I do not believe in Carnal Chrisitans. In a OSAS scenario, homosexuality could not be part of ones life.

Joe also touched on Marriage of Homosexuals and it seems He is OK with it.  WOW....We were designed to be one man and one woman. Marriage is where one Man and One Woman become ONE!.

To me this is 'Sticking it to GOD' and placing Man's  sovereignty over that of GOD's.

Think of it this way for all of you that think this way.  GOD did not destroy Sodom because of Homosexuality itself but because EVERY MAN in the town condoned it. I live with 9it around me because I cannot go anywhere it is not. As far as condoning it, I DO NOT!

Blade
I'm with you 100% on this. Homosexuality is an abomination as far as I'm concerned. You may like the other two short videos "What the Bible says about" - Very good study in those vids. The use of Homosexual in the Bible and what the word originally means, as well as the word "unnatural".




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Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Jon Wood on September 05, 2018, 03:15:15 pm
If it’s a choice and it’s described as a sin, then yeah it’s a sin. I definitely agree that it is not this gigantic unforgivable salvation threatening sin. One of those videos seemed to imply that homosexuality may be a sort of “side effect” of trauma and abuse, if you go that route you’ve got to bring psychology into the discussion in a larger capacity than just a passing mention, we would have to look into obsession/compulsion, cognitive function, any disorders that would get lumped into a similar category, maybe even a few more relevant things within that field of study.
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Jon Wood on September 05, 2018, 05:56:47 pm
It appears that JOE is telling us that scripturally, Homosexuality is a sin but then in the next sentence he tells us it is the same as his sins. Thus as a Christian, (sins are forgiven) including Homosexuality.

I have a problem with that. If a Homosexual repent and turns away from this sin and finds Jesus, OK.... However, it going to be hard to live in 24 hour sin and be a true Christian. I do not believe in Carnal Chrisitans. In a OSAS scenario, homosexuality could not be part of ones life.

Joe also touched on Marriage of Homosexuals and it seems He is OK with it.  WOW....We were designed to be one man and one woman. Marriage is where one Man and One Woman become ONE!.

To me this is 'Sticking it to GOD' and placing Man's  sovereignty over that of GOD's.

Think of it this way for all of you that think this way.  GOD did not destroy Sodom because of Homosexuality itself but because EVERY MAN in the town condoned it. I live with 9it around me because I cannot go anywhere it is not. As far as condoning it, I DO NOT!

Blade
I’m not sure I agree with homosexuality as being a thing that is all encompassing in a persons existence. I’m not consciously checking up on my own heterosexuality all day. I’m not thinking about or engaging in sex all of the time. I think the homosexual thoughts and actions are what do it as far as sinning goes, unless you hold a belief that gay people will always be gay and it is outside of their control.

I’m no advocate for gay marriage, I believe a religious leader has the right to turn away people who are gay and want to be officiated by them. If it is legal for them to be married in whatever state they live in, federal and state employees are required to grant them the request if they qualify and should not let bias impede their duty. If you cannot carry out your job because of religious convictions, then state and federal agencies are not the best place to work for you. In those places, the law of the land is what you are hired to carry out, even when it contradicts the law of God. God wins out over state and country to me.
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Bladerunner on September 05, 2018, 08:54:45 pm
It appears that JOE is telling us that scripturally, Homosexuality is a sin but then in the next sentence he tells us it is the same as his sins. Thus as a Christian, (sins are forgiven) including Homosexuality.

I have a problem with that. If a Homosexual repent and turns away from this sin and finds Jesus, OK.... However, it going to be hard to live in 24 hour sin and be a true Christian. I do not believe in Carnal Chrisitans. In a OSAS scenario, homosexuality could not be part of ones life.

Joe also touched on Marriage of Homosexuals and it seems He is OK with it.  WOW....We were designed to be one man and one woman. Marriage is where one Man and One Woman become ONE!.

To me this is 'Sticking it to GOD' and placing Man's  sovereignty over that of GOD's.

Think of it this way for all of you that think this way.  GOD did not destroy Sodom because of Homosexuality itself but because EVERY MAN in the town condoned it. I live with 9it around me because I cannot go anywhere it is not. As far as condoning it, I DO NOT!

Blade
I’m not sure I agree with homosexuality as being a thing that is all encompassing in a persons existence. I’m not consciously checking up on my own heterosexuality all day. I’m not thinking about or engaging in sex all of the time. I think the homosexual thoughts and actions are what do it as far as sinning goes, unless you hold a belief that gay people will always be gay and it is outside of their control.

I’m no advocate for gay marriage, I believe a religious leader has the right to turn away people who are gay and want to be officiated by them. If it is legal for them to be married in whatever state they live in, federal and state employees are required to grant them the request if they qualify and should not let bias impede their duty. If you cannot carry out your job because of religious convictions, then state and federal agencies are not the best place to work for you. In those places, the law of the land is what you are hired to carry out, even when it contradicts the law of God. God wins out over state and country to me.

You said:"unless you hold a belief that gay people will always be gay and it is outside of their control."

Jon, in answer to your question above, I do not KNOW? 

What I believe is GOD's WORD (KJV) and Mankinds Medical Science.

With Science there is no proof whatsoever including DNA that would legitimize Homosexuality.

God's WORD is sovereign above all else. I think you already know the verses that are associated with this behavior.

Here is an article I found... (ex-GAY) http://www.khouse.org/enews_article/2007/1224/print/

I do know that you are taking a terrible chance. For everyone has a Rapture date(death). After that time has passed, no further choices can be made. It will be too late and what if you and your assumptions are wrong?

Blade



Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Jon Wood on September 05, 2018, 11:51:08 pm
You said:"unless you hold a belief that gay people will always be gay and it is outside of their control."

Jon, in answer to your question above, I do not KNOW? 

What I believe is GOD's WORD (KJV) and Mankinds Medical Science.

With Science there is no proof whatsoever including DNA that would legitimize Homosexuality.

God's WORD is sovereign above all else. I think you already know the verses that are associated with this behavior.

Here is an article I found... (ex-GAY) http://www.khouse.org/enews_article/2007/1224/print/

I do know that you are taking a terrible chance. For everyone has a Rapture date(death). After that time has passed, no further choices can be made. It will be too late and what if you and your assumptions are wrong?

Blade

I’m quicker than a good many people to admit the possibility that I could be wrong about something. I may not have come off as clearly as I intended (i’m Not always the clearest speaker), but I was sure that I stated my belief that homosexuality is a choice and a sin. I believe it carries the same repercussions in a Christians life as any other sin.

I’m unsure what chance I am taking, if I speak with a homosexual on the subject I will make it abundantly clear to them that God has the only authority on the matter and that to look for all answers within Him and His will, just like everybody else. I appreciate your concerns, and I will tell you that I am aware that nothing is negotiable with God. I am well aware that a salvific error means my condemnation if I will not accept the truth. I’ve accepted the possibility of condemnation, I have acknowledged to the Lord that I may misunderstand something that is salvific and that I will raise no fuss with God about the outcome. I don’t worry about my salvation, I make sure that people know how to find theirs.
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Bladerunner on September 06, 2018, 06:18:57 pm
You said:"unless you hold a belief that gay people will always be gay and it is outside of their control."

Jon, in answer to your question above, I do not KNOW? 

What I believe is GOD's WORD (KJV) and Mankinds Medical Science.

With Science there is no proof whatsoever including DNA that would legitimize Homosexuality.

God's WORD is sovereign above all else. I think you already know the verses that are associated with this behavior.

Here is an article I found... (ex-GAY) http://www.khouse.org/enews_article/2007/1224/print/

I do know that you are taking a terrible chance. For everyone has a Rapture date(death). After that time has passed, no further choices can be made. It will be too late and what if you and your assumptions are wrong?

Blade

I’m quicker than a good many people to admit the possibility that I could be wrong about something. I may not have come off as clearly as I intended (i’m Not always the clearest speaker), but I was sure that I stated my belief that homosexuality is a choice and a sin. I believe it carries the same repercussions in a Christians life as any other sin.

I’m unsure what chance I am taking, if I speak with a homosexual on the subject I will make it abundantly clear to them that God has the only authority on the matter and that to look for all answers within Him and His will, just like everybody else. I appreciate your concerns, and I will tell you that I am aware that nothing is negotiable with God. I am well aware that a salvific error means my condemnation if I will not accept the truth. I’ve accepted the possibility of condemnation, I have acknowledged to the Lord that I may misunderstand something that is salvific and that I will raise no fuss with God about the outcome. I don’t worry about my salvation, I make sure that people know how to find theirs.

Now this is out of the way, we can continue to debate other pressing agendas of the Bible. 

Blade
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: patrick jane on July 27, 2020, 10:14:14 am
You said:"unless you hold a belief that gay people will always be gay and it is outside of their control."

Jon, in answer to your question above, I do not KNOW? 

What I believe is GOD's WORD (KJV) and Mankinds Medical Science.

With Science there is no proof whatsoever including DNA that would legitimize Homosexuality.

God's WORD is sovereign above all else. I think you already know the verses that are associated with this behavior.

Here is an article I found... (ex-GAY) http://www.khouse.org/enews_article/2007/1224/print/

I do know that you are taking a terrible chance. For everyone has a Rapture date(death). After that time has passed, no further choices can be made. It will be too late and what if you and your assumptions are wrong?

Blade

I’m quicker than a good many people to admit the possibility that I could be wrong about something. I may not have come off as clearly as I intended (i’m Not always the clearest speaker), but I was sure that I stated my belief that homosexuality is a choice and a sin. I believe it carries the same repercussions in a Christians life as any other sin.

I’m unsure what chance I am taking, if I speak with a homosexual on the subject I will make it abundantly clear to them that God has the only authority on the matter and that to look for all answers within Him and His will, just like everybody else. I appreciate your concerns, and I will tell you that I am aware that nothing is negotiable with God. I am well aware that a salvific error means my condemnation if I will not accept the truth. I’ve accepted the possibility of condemnation, I have acknowledged to the Lord that I may misunderstand something that is salvific and that I will raise no fuss with God about the outcome. I don’t worry about my salvation, I make sure that people know how to find theirs.

Now this is out of the way, we can continue to debate other pressing agendas of the Bible. 

Blade
Yes
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: patrick jane on August 30, 2020, 04:47:41 pm
Joe does a good video on on this
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: patrick jane on September 01, 2020, 12:05:10 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytPAHkNR5Tc&list=WL&index=4&t=0s
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Bladerunner on October 21, 2020, 09:02:12 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
Controversial.

Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under judgement.

Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.  Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.

Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?

In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final step of letting mankind lose his mind.

Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"   

Here GOD "gave them over to" to

Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:"

Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His words...

Blade
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
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Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: patrick jane on March 27, 2021, 09:37:16 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfu70qKNqW8
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: MichaelC on March 27, 2021, 10:47:38 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
Controversial.

Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under judgement.

Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.  Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.

Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?

In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final step of letting mankind lose his mind.

Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"   

Here GOD "gave them over to" to

Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:"

Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His words...

Blade



Dear blade,

Please keep this in mind.  I am in no wise claiming that homosexuality is not a sin.  That's been my stand since I began here.  There are many sins that God and Jesus forgives, and they love the sinners in spite of their errors.  Note that Saul, traveling on the road to Damascus, was visited by the Lord, being forgiven of all of the Christians he had killed.  If Jesus forgave him for those killings, you might understand that there are other circumstances that the Lord considers, also.  Paul was a killer of Christians and the woman whom Jesus forgave for adultery was also a sinner.

BR, the Lord has had to forgive a lot of sins in continuing to love us sinners regardless.  We are ALL sinners, except Jesus.  Jesus was sent to the sinners primarily, but also the righteous.  He has forgiven sinners that have stolen, lied to, divorced, and more, but His love remains for anyone who is suffering from these problems or ways.

Wise it is if you can quit from each sin and do the Lord's will.  The Lord does try to show us how He wants us to live, by certain commandments, like thou shall not kill, or steal, bear false witness {lying}, etc.  If the Lord does not show us each sin, we would not know how to not do it {avoid it}.  Can you understand?  We all know that sin is wrong, but first we must know what is sin and what is not.

When Cain slew Abel, he most likely did not know that hitting his brother with a rock would kill him.  He was angry, upset, and didn't know it would make his brother become nonexistent or dead.  If Cain did not do this horrible thing, we would not know what we were not supposed to do, re killing his brother.  Someone had to kill someone to realize what kind of malice it caused.  This all could happen either way, no matter which sin I addressed.  The secret is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  Jesus taught us to love even our enemies, not necessarily their sins, too.

In the Ten Commandments, God Himself said, "Thou shalt not kill."  It did not come from a disciple or apostle, but instead, God Himself.  Yet it did not stop people to keep from killing others, for the most part.  If a disciple or apostle says to not kill, should we hear it from them first, before God.  In general, if a man does not know what IS a sin, then he will then not know what to keep from doing unless it is at least explained to or shown him, first.

I guess I will just try to quit explaining.  Most of all sins are forgivable.  It is good if it ends with a victory, of course, and a sinner is redeemed/saved.  Jesus loves sinners and the righteous.  Be sure to leave the judging of a soul to God Himself.  It's best that way.  He knows more details about the subject.  He loves us, so God bless you.

MichaelC

Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Bladerunner on March 28, 2021, 09:07:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
Controversial.

Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under judgement.

Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.  Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.

Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?

In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final step of letting mankind lose his mind.

Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"   

Here GOD "gave them over to" to

Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:"

Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His words...

Blade



Dear blade,

Please keep this in mind.  I am in no wise claiming that homosexuality is not a sin.  That's been my stand since I began here.  There are many sins that God and Jesus forgives, and they love the sinners in spite of their errors.  Note that Saul, traveling on the road to Damascus, was visited by the Lord, being forgiven of all of the Christians he had killed.  If Jesus forgave him for those killings, you might understand that there are other circumstances that the Lord considers, also.  Paul was a killer of Christians and the woman whom Jesus forgave for adultery was also a sinner.

BR, the Lord has had to forgive a lot of sins in continuing to love us sinners regardless.  We are ALL sinners, except Jesus.  Jesus was sent to the sinners primarily, but also the righteous.  He has forgiven sinners that have stolen, lied to, divorced, and more, but His love remains for anyone who is suffering from these problems or ways.

Wise it is if you can quit from each sin and do the Lord's will.  The Lord does try to show us how He wants us to live, by certain commandments, like thou shall not kill, or steal, bear false witness {lying}, etc.  If the Lord does not show us each sin, we would not know how to not do it {avoid it}.  Can you understand?  We all know that sin is wrong, but first we must know what is sin and what is not.

When Cain slew Abel, he most likely did not know that hitting his brother with a rock would kill him.  He was angry, upset, and didn't know it would make his brother become nonexistent or dead.  If Cain did not do this horrible thing, we would not know what we were not supposed to do, re killing his brother.  Someone had to kill someone to realize what kind of malice it caused.  This all could happen either way, no matter which sin I addressed.  The secret is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  Jesus taught us to love even our enemies, not necessarily their sins, too.

In the Ten Commandments, God Himself said, "Thou shalt not kill."  It did not come from a disciple or apostle, but instead, God Himself.  Yet it did not stop people to keep from killing others, for the most part.  If a disciple or apostle says to not kill, should we hear it from them first, before God.  In general, if a man does not know what IS a sin, then he will then not know what to keep from doing unless it is at least explained to or shown him, first.

I guess I will just try to quit explaining.  Most of all sins are forgivable.  It is good if it ends with a victory, of course, and a sinner is redeemed/saved.  Jesus loves sinners and the righteous.  Be sure to leave the judging of a soul to God Himself.  It's best that way.  He knows more details about the subject.  He loves us, so God bless you.

MichaelC

Good evening Michael....Thanks for the info and I agree  and disagree with different parts..  The two parts are Sin and the ten commandments. 

Sin.... I agree sin is in all of us. We lose our ability to chose between sin and Jesus when our bodies die the 1st death. If we have not chosen to Believe in His Gospel (according to scripture), we will be condemned to live eternally away from Him in the Lake of Fire. Therefore the only unforgivable Sin is "Unbelief"

The Ten Commandments.. were KNOWN most likely known long before Exodus was written. It is obvious that Cain and Abel knew about the Sacrifice ritual which is the reason why GOD did not find favor with Cain.

Jesus in the NT repeated seven commandments from the original ten. These were given to us by our Apostle, Paul.  The other three commandments were
ceremonial in nature and with the end of Laws of Moses, they could not be properly followed.

It is good to converse with you my friend...Pray you have a very blessed week.

Blade



Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: MichaelC on March 29, 2021, 12:28:12 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
Controversial.

Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under judgement.

Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.  Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.

Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?

In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final step of letting mankind lose his mind.

Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"   

Here GOD "gave them over to" to

Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:"

Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His words...

Blade



Dear blade,

Please keep this in mind.  I am in no wise claiming that homosexuality is not a sin.  That's been my stand since I began here.  There are many sins that God and Jesus forgives, and they love the sinners in spite of their errors.  Note that Saul, traveling on the road to Damascus, was visited by the Lord, being forgiven of all of the Christians he had killed.  If Jesus forgave him for those killings, you might understand that there are other circumstances that the Lord considers, also.  Paul was a killer of Christians and the woman whom Jesus forgave for adultery was also a sinner.

BR, the Lord has had to forgive a lot of sins in continuing to love us sinners regardless.  We are ALL sinners, except Jesus.  Jesus was sent to the sinners primarily, but also the righteous.  He has forgiven sinners that have stolen, lied to, divorced, and more, but His love remains for anyone who is suffering from these problems or ways.

Wise it is if you can quit from each sin and do the Lord's will.  The Lord does try to show us how He wants us to live, by certain commandments, like thou shall not kill, or steal, bear false witness {lying}, etc.  If the Lord does not show us each sin, we would not know how to not do it {avoid it}.  Can you understand?  We all know that sin is wrong, but first we must know what is sin and what is not.

When Cain slew Abel, he most likely did not know that hitting his brother with a rock would kill him.  He was angry, upset, and didn't know it would make his brother become nonexistent or dead.  If Cain did not do this horrible thing, we would not know what we were not supposed to do, re killing his brother.  Someone had to kill someone to realize what kind of malice it caused.  This all could happen either way, no matter which sin I addressed.  The secret is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  Jesus taught us to love even our enemies, not necessarily their sins, too.

In the Ten Commandments, God Himself said, "Thou shalt not kill."  It did not come from a disciple or apostle, but instead, God Himself.  Yet it did not stop people to keep from killing others, for the most part.  If a disciple or apostle says to not kill, should we hear it from them first, before God.  In general, if a man does not know what IS a sin, then he will then not know what to keep from doing unless it is at least explained to or shown him, first.

I guess I will just try to quit explaining.  Most of all sins are forgivable.  It is good if it ends with a victory, of course, and a sinner is redeemed/saved.  Jesus loves sinners and the righteous.  Be sure to leave the judging of a soul to God Himself.  It's best that way.  He knows more details about the subject.  He loves us, so God bless you.

MichaelC

Good evening Michael....Thanks for the info and I agree  and disagree with different parts..  The two parts are Sin and the ten commandments. 

Sin.... I agree sin is in all of us. We lose our ability to chose between sin and Jesus when our bodies die the 1st death. If we have not chosen to Believe in His Gospel (according to scripture), we will be condemned to live eternally away from Him in the Lake of Fire. Therefore the only unforgivable Sin is "Unbelief"

The Ten Commandments.. were KNOWN most likely known long before Exodus was written. It is obvious that Cain and Abel knew about the Sacrifice ritual which is the reason why GOD did not find favor with Cain.

Jesus in the NT repeated seven commandments from the original ten. These were given to us by our Apostle, Paul.  The other three commandments were
ceremonial in nature and with the end of Laws of Moses, they could not be properly followed.

It is good to converse with you my friend...Pray you have a very blessed week.

Blade


Dear Blade,

Hey Buddy,

Thanks for your pleasant reply.  I don't usually get time to respond this soon, but I've got a dentist appt. after this, so I had to get up early.  I wonder if blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is not the most unforgivable sin.  Disbelief is a real bummer and you can't really get much taught to you because of it.

So, did Cain actually know what he was doing when he struck Abel with a rock and killed him.  Get back to me and let me know more about it.

Dying the first death is dying during this next resurrection, as far as I know.  Dying the second death is after this first resurrection to come when Jesus returns for us.  If you are taken during the first resurrection, you don't have to be concerned with the 2nd.

It was made known to me that the meek shall inherit the Earth after this 1st resurrection and they will populate the Earth one last time.  Note that the 'rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were fulfilled.'  During those thousand years, those who die during this 1st resurrection will rule with Jesus over the people still on Earth.  See Rev. 20:5KJV.

From what I understand, the 2nd death will culminate with the lack of our present Earth and a new Earth provided.  See Rev. 21:1.  There will be a new Heaven and no sea.  As far as I know, there will be a great explosion, possibly of the sun, and it shall dissolve the elements.  I don't know too much about it because God doesn't tell me things that can wait until some other time later.  I have had enough to deal with and it has often not been easy.  There will be two nations:  Gog & Magog.

Blade, you are one of the closest of friends that I know here on FEF.  I would love to be on this forum a lot more often, but so far, I have been having tasks and medical predicaments that keep me busy.  It now takes me a long time just to do a load of laundry.  I was in the hospital for 2 months at once and I only weigh 124 lbs. now.  Perhaps it's soon time to give up the ghost.  Only God knows when.  I used to weigh 173 lbs. a while back.  I'm glad to lose some weight, but Whoa!

If the Lord had not visited me often, I would not know all of the things that I've learned from Him.  I have had a few overwhelming visions also, but they were worth it.  I knew about the CA fires back in 1982.  Now, that was a tremendous vision -- not the most pleasant, but the most heavy.  I saw a great, massive earthquake after the brush fires burned there for quite a while.  It is written about in my book which was published in 1999.  I'd best shut up now and get going.

May Jesus Hold Your Hands & Heart.  Looking forward until we speak again.

With Much Love For A Wonderful Brethren,

MichaelC
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Bladerunner on March 29, 2021, 08:58:01 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
Controversial.

Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under judgement.

Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.  Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.

Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?

In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final step of letting mankind lose his mind.

Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"   

Here GOD "gave them over to" to

Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:"

Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His words...

Blade



Dear blade,

Please keep this in mind.  I am in no wise claiming that homosexuality is not a sin.  That's been my stand since I began here.  There are many sins that God and Jesus forgives, and they love the sinners in spite of their errors.  Note that Saul, traveling on the road to Damascus, was visited by the Lord, being forgiven of all of the Christians he had killed.  If Jesus forgave him for those killings, you might understand that there are other circumstances that the Lord considers, also.  Paul was a killer of Christians and the woman whom Jesus forgave for adultery was also a sinner.

BR, the Lord has had to forgive a lot of sins in continuing to love us sinners regardless.  We are ALL sinners, except Jesus.  Jesus was sent to the sinners primarily, but also the righteous.  He has forgiven sinners that have stolen, lied to, divorced, and more, but His love remains for anyone who is suffering from these problems or ways.

Wise it is if you can quit from each sin and do the Lord's will.  The Lord does try to show us how He wants us to live, by certain commandments, like thou shall not kill, or steal, bear false witness {lying}, etc.  If the Lord does not show us each sin, we would not know how to not do it {avoid it}.  Can you understand?  We all know that sin is wrong, but first we must know what is sin and what is not.

When Cain slew Abel, he most likely did not know that hitting his brother with a rock would kill him.  He was angry, upset, and didn't know it would make his brother become nonexistent or dead.  If Cain did not do this horrible thing, we would not know what we were not supposed to do, re killing his brother.  Someone had to kill someone to realize what kind of malice it caused.  This all could happen either way, no matter which sin I addressed.  The secret is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  Jesus taught us to love even our enemies, not necessarily their sins, too.

In the Ten Commandments, God Himself said, "Thou shalt not kill."  It did not come from a disciple or apostle, but instead, God Himself.  Yet it did not stop people to keep from killing others, for the most part.  If a disciple or apostle says to not kill, should we hear it from them first, before God.  In general, if a man does not know what IS a sin, then he will then not know what to keep from doing unless it is at least explained to or shown him, first.

I guess I will just try to quit explaining.  Most of all sins are forgivable.  It is good if it ends with a victory, of course, and a sinner is redeemed/saved.  Jesus loves sinners and the righteous.  Be sure to leave the judging of a soul to God Himself.  It's best that way.  He knows more details about the subject.  He loves us, so God bless you.

MichaelC

Good evening Michael....Thanks for the info and I agree  and disagree with different parts..  The two parts are Sin and the ten commandments. 

Sin.... I agree sin is in all of us. We lose our ability to chose between sin and Jesus when our bodies die the 1st death. If we have not chosen to Believe in His Gospel (according to scripture), we will be condemned to live eternally away from Him in the Lake of Fire. Therefore the only unforgivable Sin is "Unbelief"

The Ten Commandments.. were KNOWN most likely known long before Exodus was written. It is obvious that Cain and Abel knew about the Sacrifice ritual which is the reason why GOD did not find favor with Cain.

Jesus in the NT repeated seven commandments from the original ten. These were given to us by our Apostle, Paul.  The other three commandments were
ceremonial in nature and with the end of Laws of Moses, they could not be properly followed.

It is good to converse with you my friend...Pray you have a very blessed week.

Blade

Dear Blade,

Hey Buddy,

Thanks for your pleasant reply.  I don't usually get time to respond this soon, but I've got a dentist appt. after this, so I had to get up early.  I wonder if blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is not the most unforgivable sin.  Disbelief is a real bummer and you can't really get much taught to you because of it.

I stand corrected..according to Mat 12:31.."Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

Yet without unbelief, blasphemy would not be possible!


So, did Cain actually know what he was doing when he struck Abel with a rock and killed him.  Get back to me and let me know more about it.

I am sure that Cain knows what killing was. Yet, His jealousy was great because GOD chose Abel's offering over his......did He really know what He was doing or did unrestrained evil take over?

I will say this; I believe that we will see Cain in Heaven when we get there!

Dying the first death is dying during this next resurrection, as far as I know.  Dying the second death is after this first resurrection to come when Jesus returns for us.  If you are taken during the first resurrection, you don't have to be concerned with the 2nd.

It was made known to me that the meek shall inherit the Earth after this 1st resurrection and they will populate the Earth one last time.  Note that the 'rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were fulfilled.'  During those thousand years, those who die during this 1st resurrection will rule with Jesus over the people still on Earth.  See Rev. 20:5KJV.

The first resurrection ended at the beginning of the millennium. Rev 20:5.."But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

From what I understand, the 2nd death will culminate with the lack of our present Earth and a new Earth provided.  See Rev. 21:1.  There will be a new Heaven and no sea.  As far as I know, there will be a great explosion, possibly of the sun, and it shall dissolve the elements.  I don't know too much about it because God doesn't tell me things that can wait until some other time later.  I have had enough to deal with and it has often not been easy.  There will be two nations:  Gog & Magog.

Blade, you are one of the closest of friends that I know here on FEF.  I would love to be on this forum a lot more often, but so far, I have been having tasks and medical predicaments that keep me busy.  It now takes me a long time just to do a load of laundry.  I was in the hospital for 2 months at once and I only weigh 124 lbs. now.  Perhaps it's soon time to give up the ghost.  Only God knows when.  I used to weigh 173 lbs. a while back.  I'm glad to lose some weight, but Whoa!

If the Lord had not visited me often, I would not know all of the things that I've learned from Him.  I have had a few overwhelming visions also, but they were worth it.  I knew about the CA fires back in 1982.  Now, that was a tremendous vision -- not the most pleasant, but the most heavy.  I saw a great, massive earthquake after the brush fires burned there for quite a while.  It is written about in my book which was published in 1999.  I'd best shut up now and get going.

May Jesus Hold Your Hands & Heart.  Looking forward until we speak again.

With Much Love For A Wonderful Brethren,

MichaelC

Thank youi Michael for the conversation.

Blade
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: MichaelC on April 05, 2021, 10:30:11 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
Controversial.

Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under judgement.

Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.  Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.

Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?

In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final step of letting mankind lose his mind.

Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"   

Here GOD "gave them over to" to

Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:"

Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His words...

Blade



Dear blade,

Please keep this in mind.  I am in no wise claiming that homosexuality is not a sin.  That's been my stand since I began here.  There are many sins that God and Jesus forgives, and they love the sinners in spite of their errors.  Note that Saul, traveling on the road to Damascus, was visited by the Lord, being forgiven of all of the Christians he had killed.  If Jesus forgave him for those killings, you might understand that there are other circumstances that the Lord considers, also.  Paul was a killer of Christians and the woman whom Jesus forgave for adultery was also a sinner.

BR, the Lord has had to forgive a lot of sins in continuing to love us sinners regardless.  We are ALL sinners, except Jesus.  Jesus was sent to the sinners primarily, but also the righteous.  He has forgiven sinners that have stolen, lied to, divorced, and more, but His love remains for anyone who is suffering from these problems or ways.

Wise it is if you can quit from each sin and do the Lord's will.  The Lord does try to show us how He wants us to live, by certain commandments, like thou shall not kill, or steal, bear false witness {lying}, etc.  If the Lord does not show us each sin, we would not know how to not do it {avoid it}.  Can you understand?  We all know that sin is wrong, but first we must know what is sin and what is not.

When Cain slew Abel, he most likely did not know that hitting his brother with a rock would kill him.  He was angry, upset, and didn't know it would make his brother become nonexistent or dead.  If Cain did not do this horrible thing, we would not know what we were not supposed to do, re killing his brother.  Someone had to kill someone to realize what kind of malice it caused.  This all could happen either way, no matter which sin I addressed.  The secret is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  Jesus taught us to love even our enemies, not necessarily their sins, too.

In the Ten Commandments, God Himself said, "Thou shalt not kill."  It did not come from a disciple or apostle, but instead, God Himself.  Yet it did not stop people to keep from killing others, for the most part.  If a disciple or apostle says to not kill, should we hear it from them first, before God.  In general, if a man does not know what IS a sin, then he will then not know what to keep from doing unless it is at least explained to or shown him, first.

I guess I will just try to quit explaining.  Most of all sins are forgivable.  It is good if it ends with a victory, of course, and a sinner is redeemed/saved.  Jesus loves sinners and the righteous.  Be sure to leave the judging of a soul to God Himself.  It's best that way.  He knows more details about the subject.  He loves us, so God bless you.

MichaelC

Good evening Michael....Thanks for the info and I agree  and disagree with different parts..  The two parts are Sin and the ten commandments. 

Sin.... I agree sin is in all of us. We lose our ability to chose between sin and Jesus when our bodies die the 1st death. If we have not chosen to Believe in His Gospel (according to scripture), we will be condemned to live eternally away from Him in the Lake of Fire. Therefore the only unforgivable Sin is "Unbelief"

The Ten Commandments.. were KNOWN most likely known long before Exodus was written. It is obvious that Cain and Abel knew about the Sacrifice ritual which is the reason why GOD did not find favor with Cain.

Jesus in the NT repeated seven commandments from the original ten. These were given to us by our Apostle, Paul.  The other three commandments were
ceremonial in nature and with the end of Laws of Moses, they could not be properly followed.

It is good to converse with you my friend...Pray you have a very blessed week.

Blade

Dear Blade,

Hey Buddy,

Thanks for your pleasant reply.  I don't usually get time to respond this soon, but I've got a dentist appt. after this, so I had to get up early.  I wonder if blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is not the most unforgivable sin.  Disbelief is a real bummer and you can't really get much taught to you because of it.

I stand corrected..according to Mat 12:31.."Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

Yet without unbelief, blasphemy would not be possible!


So, did Cain actually know what he was doing when he struck Abel with a rock and killed him.  Get back to me and let me know more about it.

I am sure that Cain knows what killing was. Yet, His jealousy was great because GOD chose Abel's offering over his......did He really know what He was doing or did unrestrained evil take over?

I will say this; I believe that we will see Cain in Heaven when we get there!

Dying the first death is dying during this next resurrection, as far as I know.  Dying the second death is after this first resurrection to come when Jesus returns for us.  If you are taken during the first resurrection, you don't have to be concerned with the 2nd.

It was made known to me that the meek shall inherit the Earth after this 1st resurrection and they will populate the Earth one last time.  Note that the 'rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were fulfilled.'  During those thousand years, those who die during this 1st resurrection will rule with Jesus over the people still on Earth.  See Rev. 20:5KJV.

The first resurrection ended at the beginning of the millennium. Rev 20:5.."But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

From what I understand, the 2nd death will culminate with the lack of our present Earth and a new Earth provided.  See Rev. 21:1.  There will be a new Heaven and no sea.  As far as I know, there will be a great explosion, possibly of the sun, and it shall dissolve the elements.  I don't know too much about it because God doesn't tell me things that can wait until some other time later.  I have had enough to deal with and it has often not been easy.  There will be two nations:  Gog & Magog.

Blade, you are one of the closest of friends that I know here on FEF.  I would love to be on this forum a lot more often, but so far, I have been having tasks and medical predicaments that keep me busy.  It now takes me a long time just to do a load of laundry.  I was in the hospital for 2 months at once and I only weigh 124 lbs. now.  Perhaps it's soon time to give up the ghost.  Only God knows when.  I used to weigh 173 lbs. a while back.  I'm glad to lose some weight, but Whoa!

If the Lord had not visited me often, I would not know all of the things that I've learned from Him.  I have had a few overwhelming visions also, but they were worth it.  I knew about the CA fires back in 1982.  Now, that was a tremendous vision -- not the most pleasant, but the most heavy.  I saw a great, massive earthquake after the brush fires burned there for quite a while.  It is written about in my book which was published in 1999.  I'd best shut up now and get going.

May Jesus Hold Your Hands & Heart.  Looking forward until we speak again.

With Much Love For A Wonderful Brethren,

MichaelC

Thank you Michael for the conversation.

Blade


Oh Blade,

I don't know what to tell you.  The first resurrection happens when the Lord Jesus raises up the elect into the sky or Heaven during the last days and they are seen by many.  The 1st resurrection happens before the 1,000 years that Christ will reign.  See Rev. 4-6KJV.  A resurrection means some one or more is raised up to Heaven.  God {Jehovah/ Yahweh} is reigning now.  Jesus will reign after Armageddon for 1,000 years.  The Lord God said to the Lord Jesus, 'Sit thou on my right hand until I make your enemies become your footstool.'

Google the word 'resurrection.'  It is that time when Christ returns to the Earth for the Rapture.  The first.  Those who take part in the 1st need not worry about the '2nd death' because they are already judged and saved, whereas those who are not judged and saved yet have to wait until this 2nd death to find out if they are saved after God judges them.  See Rev. 20:13.

The elect can not be deceived during the Last Days.  The elect are those who are predetermined to be saved and they are raised to Heaven first.  The 1st resurrection written of in Rev. 20:5 is not referring to the initial raising of Christ right after His death on the cross. 

How else could the millennium's beginning have to deal with those who did not receive the mark of the beast Rev. 20:4KJV.  That is during the last days, not the 1st millennium.  When Jesus first was resurrected on Easter, it was not during the time that some were supposed to avoid the mark of the beast.

Satan shall be let loose again after the thousand years were fulfilled {See Rev. 20:2KJV}.  The beginning of the 1st millennium is not the same time as during the latter days 2,000 years later.  It refers to 1,000 years after Christ was on Earth.  Satan shall go out to deceive the nations of Gog and Magog.  They aren't established until after Jesus' second coming.

Have I explained this well enough so that you can see what I mean?  Let me know and I will try harder to convince you, if necessary.  I do know what Google says.  This is sort of a tough one, I must admit.  If you can't agree with me, BR, then that is fine.  Just tell me that you feel or think differently about it.  I will not bite your head off, of course.  I do suppose there are others who may interpret it the way that you do.  No big deal really, for we shall find out later in Heaven.  These things are written so that Satan and other evil people will not understand.

I'll get going for now.  May you rest your head on the Lord God's shoulder!

MichaelC

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Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Bladerunner on April 06, 2021, 10:39:22 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
Controversial.

Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under judgement.

Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.  Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.

Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?

In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final step of letting mankind lose his mind.

Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"   

Here GOD "gave them over to" to

Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:"

Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His words...

Blade



Dear blade,

Please keep this in mind.  I am in no wise claiming that homosexuality is not a sin.  That's been my stand since I began here.  There are many sins that God and Jesus forgives, and they love the sinners in spite of their errors.  Note that Saul, traveling on the road to Damascus, was visited by the Lord, being forgiven of all of the Christians he had killed.  If Jesus forgave him for those killings, you might understand that there are other circumstances that the Lord considers, also.  Paul was a killer of Christians and the woman whom Jesus forgave for adultery was also a sinner.

BR, the Lord has had to forgive a lot of sins in continuing to love us sinners regardless.  We are ALL sinners, except Jesus.  Jesus was sent to the sinners primarily, but also the righteous.  He has forgiven sinners that have stolen, lied to, divorced, and more, but His love remains for anyone who is suffering from these problems or ways.

Wise it is if you can quit from each sin and do the Lord's will.  The Lord does try to show us how He wants us to live, by certain commandments, like thou shall not kill, or steal, bear false witness {lying}, etc.  If the Lord does not show us each sin, we would not know how to not do it {avoid it}.  Can you understand?  We all know that sin is wrong, but first we must know what is sin and what is not.

When Cain slew Abel, he most likely did not know that hitting his brother with a rock would kill him.  He was angry, upset, and didn't know it would make his brother become nonexistent or dead.  If Cain did not do this horrible thing, we would not know what we were not supposed to do, re killing his brother.  Someone had to kill someone to realize what kind of malice it caused.  This all could happen either way, no matter which sin I addressed.  The secret is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  Jesus taught us to love even our enemies, not necessarily their sins, too.

In the Ten Commandments, God Himself said, "Thou shalt not kill."  It did not come from a disciple or apostle, but instead, God Himself.  Yet it did not stop people to keep from killing others, for the most part.  If a disciple or apostle says to not kill, should we hear it from them first, before God.  In general, if a man does not know what IS a sin, then he will then not know what to keep from doing unless it is at least explained to or shown him, first.

I guess I will just try to quit explaining.  Most of all sins are forgivable.  It is good if it ends with a victory, of course, and a sinner is redeemed/saved.  Jesus loves sinners and the righteous.  Be sure to leave the judging of a soul to God Himself.  It's best that way.  He knows more details about the subject.  He loves us, so God bless you.

MichaelC

Good evening Michael....Thanks for the info and I agree  and disagree with different parts..  The two parts are Sin and the ten commandments. 

Sin.... I agree sin is in all of us. We lose our ability to chose between sin and Jesus when our bodies die the 1st death. If we have not chosen to Believe in His Gospel (according to scripture), we will be condemned to live eternally away from Him in the Lake of Fire. Therefore the only unforgivable Sin is "Unbelief"

The Ten Commandments.. were KNOWN most likely known long before Exodus was written. It is obvious that Cain and Abel knew about the Sacrifice ritual which is the reason why GOD did not find favor with Cain.

Jesus in the NT repeated seven commandments from the original ten. These were given to us by our Apostle, Paul.  The other three commandments were
ceremonial in nature and with the end of Laws of Moses, they could not be properly followed.

It is good to converse with you my friend...Pray you have a very blessed week.

Blade

Dear Blade,

Hey Buddy,

Thanks for your pleasant reply.  I don't usually get time to respond this soon, but I've got a dentist appt. after this, so I had to get up early.  I wonder if blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is not the most unforgivable sin.  Disbelief is a real bummer and you can't really get much taught to you because of it.

I stand corrected..according to Mat 12:31.."Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

Yet without unbelief, blasphemy would not be possible!


So, did Cain actually know what he was doing when he struck Abel with a rock and killed him.  Get back to me and let me know more about it.

I am sure that Cain knows what killing was. Yet, His jealousy was great because GOD chose Abel's offering over his......did He really know what He was doing or did unrestrained evil take over?

I will say this; I believe that we will see Cain in Heaven when we get there!

Dying the first death is dying during this next resurrection, as far as I know.  Dying the second death is after this first resurrection to come when Jesus returns for us.  If you are taken during the first resurrection, you don't have to be concerned with the 2nd.

It was made known to me that the meek shall inherit the Earth after this 1st resurrection and they will populate the Earth one last time.  Note that the 'rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were fulfilled.'  During those thousand years, those who die during this 1st resurrection will rule with Jesus over the people still on Earth.  See Rev. 20:5KJV.

The first resurrection ended at the beginning of the millennium. Rev 20:5.."But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

From what I understand, the 2nd death will culminate with the lack of our present Earth and a new Earth provided.  See Rev. 21:1.  There will be a new Heaven and no sea.  As far as I know, there will be a great explosion, possibly of the sun, and it shall dissolve the elements.  I don't know too much about it because God doesn't tell me things that can wait until some other time later.  I have had enough to deal with and it has often not been easy.  There will be two nations:  Gog & Magog.

Blade, you are one of the closest of friends that I know here on FEF.  I would love to be on this forum a lot more often, but so far, I have been having tasks and medical predicaments that keep me busy.  It now takes me a long time just to do a load of laundry.  I was in the hospital for 2 months at once and I only weigh 124 lbs. now.  Perhaps it's soon time to give up the ghost.  Only God knows when.  I used to weigh 173 lbs. a while back.  I'm glad to lose some weight, but Whoa!

If the Lord had not visited me often, I would not know all of the things that I've learned from Him.  I have had a few overwhelming visions also, but they were worth it.  I knew about the CA fires back in 1982.  Now, that was a tremendous vision -- not the most pleasant, but the most heavy.  I saw a great, massive earthquake after the brush fires burned there for quite a while.  It is written about in my book which was published in 1999.  I'd best shut up now and get going.

May Jesus Hold Your Hands & Heart.  Looking forward until we speak again.

With Much Love For A Wonderful Brethren,

MichaelC

Thank you Michael for the conversation.

Blade

Oh Blade,

I don't know what to tell you.  The first resurrection happens when the Lord Jesus raises up the elect into the sky or Heaven during the last days and they are seen by many.  The 1st resurrection happens before the 1,000 years that Christ will reign.  See Rev. 4-6KJV.  A resurrection means some one or more is raised up to Heaven.  God {Jehovah/ Yahweh} is reigning now.  Jesus will reign after Armageddon for 1,000 years.  The Lord God said to the Lord Jesus, 'Sit thou on my right hand until I make your enemies become your footstool.'

Hi Michael...The 1st resurrection would include His Church (body of Christ)and will culminate in the removal of all those believers during the Rapture. Yes, Jesus will reign 1,000 years after Daniel's 70 th week has been completed



Google the word 'resurrection.'  It is that time when Christ returns to the Earth for the Rapture.  The first.  Those who take part in the 1st need not worry about the '2nd death' because they are already judged and saved, whereas those who are not judged and saved yet have to wait until this 2nd death to find out if they are saved after God judges them.  See Rev. 20:13.

The elect can not be deceived during the Last Days.  The elect are those who are predetermined to be saved and they are raised to Heaven first.  The 1st resurrection written of in Rev. 20:5 is not referring to the initial raising of Christ right after His death on the cross.

I agree with you on the deceiving part however, the elect were not all taken at the Rapture. There were many elect left behind (I believe) who will become the Tribulation Saints. These Saints are also of the 1st Resurrection which ends right before the Great Tribulation (the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week). For at this time there will be no believers left on earth including the 144,000 Jewish Evangelist. I might add, it is apparent the 144,000 and the tribulation saints will have to die in their faith of Jesus. Rev 20:4

The 1st resurrection did indeed begin with the initial resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Church, 144,000 and the Tribulations Saints will be considered in the 1st Resurrection.
 




How else could the millennium's beginning have to deal with those who did not receive the mark of the beast Rev. 20:4KJV.  That is during the last days, not the 1st millennium.  When Jesus first was resurrected on Easter, it was not during the time that some were supposed to avoid the mark of the beast.

When Jesus was resurrected it is considered the 1st resurrection. In fact, I believe the 144,000 Jewish evangelist may also have been resurrected during this time. We know that those in Abram's Bosom (Old Testament Saints) were take to heaven (Paradise) to await the Rapture.  This would include the Apostles as well.

After the 144,000 and Tribulation saints are removed from the earth, there are no believers remaining on earth and the "Bowels"/ "Vials are yet to come.  Those who survive (some in all nations)will be the Gentiles that will live during the Millennium. Of course, those who Jewish believers who fled Judah during the Abomination of Abomination will also live and rule Israel during the Millennium.




Satan shall be let loose again after the thousand years were fulfilled {See Rev. 20:2KJV}.  The beginning of the 1st millennium is not the same time as during the latter days 2,000 years later.  It refers to 1,000 years after Christ was on Earth.  Satan shall go out to deceive the nations of Gog and Magog.  They aren't established until after Jesus' second coming.

The beginning of the millennium or the 1,000 years of Jesus Christ's (physical) Reign on earth will indeed begin soon. The previous 2,000 years after the resurrection of Christ should not be considered any part of the Millennium.



Have I explained this well enough so that you can see what I mean?  Let me know and I will try harder to convince you, if necessary.  I do know what Google says.  This is sort of a tough one, I must admit.  If you can't agree with me, BR, then that is fine.  Just tell me that you feel or think differently about it.  I will not bite your head off, of course.  I do suppose there are others who may interpret it the way that you do.  No big deal really, for we shall find out later in Heaven.  These things are written so that Satan and other evil people will not understand.

I'll get going for now.  May you rest your head on the Lord God's shoulder!

MichaelC

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MichaelC, you have explained thing very well and Yes, we will find the truth out in Heaven. May God Bless you Michael. good evening to you.



Blade
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on April 07, 2021, 01:14:59 pm
THis has been a very excellent discussion.  Thank you both for all the information and viewpoints you have posted.   I have learned from this.
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Bladerunner on April 07, 2021, 08:28:00 pm
THis has been a very excellent discussion.  Thank you both for all the information and viewpoints you have posted.   I have learned from this.

Hi Mark , Yes Michael always has many interesting points.

Have a great evening....won't be long before it is too hot to sit outside and listen to the wonderful sounds of creation.
Blade
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: MichaelC on April 11, 2021, 02:54:37 am
Dear Blade {& Chaplain Mark},

I want to jot a note to you both to clarify that you should love each other as you love yourselves, for Jesus taught us to do that.  This does not mean that you should love their sins and take them to be your own, also.  Jesus did not tell Paul that He was going to kill some Christians, too, like he {Paul} had done, just because He forgave him.

Homosexuals should be forgiven; thieves, and adulterers, yes, but don't become totally like them just because you should love them.  Do you know what I mean here??  Anal intercourse is not the answer here whatsoever, and I would be inclined to stay away from oral intercourse, too.  One might lead to another.

I love man very much, but not having sex with them.  I put myself in their shoes, and can know what they are going through.  Some men like to dress up like women, too, but that doesn't mean that I have to do it.  Too many of us need love and that's okay.  God is there for us to learn about love and how we should treat others fairly.

It's so easy to make such a mistake.  We men can have love towards each other without being derided about it by some others.  It is a travesty for other men to have to hide their feelings of love for each other just because they are looked down upon or it might be thought that they are gay.  I'm not talking about sex, so don't get mixed up on me.

Often, it is what is unsaid that causes the problems.  I'm trying to find the best words to explain this.  I hope that you can understand all of this without misunderstanding me.  Well, this is short for tonight, but it really hit home tonight that I should be more explicit.  It is now almost 1 a.m., so I should hit the sack.  May God Bless Your Journeys To Him During Your Lives,

MichaelC


Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Bladerunner on April 11, 2021, 09:36:57 pm
Dear Blade {& Chaplain Mark},

I want to jot a note to you both to clarify that you should love each other as you love yourselves, for Jesus taught us to do that.  This does not mean that you should love their sins and take them to be your own, also.  Jesus did not tell Paul that He was going to kill some Christians, too, like he {Paul} had done, just because He forgave him.

Homosexuals should be forgiven; thieves, and adulterers, yes, but don't become totally like them just because you should love them.  Do you know what I mean here??  Anal intercourse is not the answer here whatsoever, and I would be inclined to stay away from oral intercourse, too.  One might lead to another.

I love man very much, but not having sex with them.  I put myself in their shoes, and can know what they are going through.  Some men like to dress up like women, too, but that doesn't mean that I have to do it.  Too many of us need love and that's okay.  God is there for us to learn about love and how we should treat others fairly.

It's so easy to make such a mistake.  We men can have love towards each other without being derided about it by some others.  It is a travesty for other men to have to hide their feelings of love for each other just because they are looked down upon or it might be thought that they are gay.  I'm not talking about sex, so don't get mixed up on me.

Often, it is what is unsaid that causes the problems.  I'm trying to find the best words to explain this.  I hope that you can understand all of this without misunderstanding me.  Well, this is short for tonight, but it really hit home tonight that I should be more explicit.  It is now almost 1 a.m., so I should hit the sack.  May God Bless Your Journeys To Him During Your Lives,

MichaelC

Michael, the Lord wants us to love the person not the sin as you say, yet if we do not tell it like it is, is that really loving them. Not telling the truth about faces them is not loving them....Not telling them what the judgement will be is not loving them.

Jesus tells us in no uncertain terms what awaits the LGPTQ????? person unless the repent and turn toward HIM in both testaments. It is not judging them that is the problem. It is seeing the sin for what it is and not telling them the truth.

Blade
Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: MichaelC on April 12, 2021, 05:17:46 am
Dear Blade {& Chaplain Mark},

I want to jot a note to you both to clarify that you should love each other as you love yourselves, for Jesus taught us to do that.  This does not mean that you should love their sins and take them to be your own, also.  Jesus did not tell Paul that He was going to kill some Christians, too, like he {Paul} had done, just because He forgave him.

Homosexuals should be forgiven; thieves, and adulterers, yes, but don't become totally like them just because you should love them.  Do you know what I mean here??  Anal intercourse is not the answer here whatsoever, and I would be inclined to stay away from oral intercourse, too.  One might lead to another.

I love man very much, but not having sex with them.  I put myself in their shoes, and can know what they are going through.  Some men like to dress up like women, too, but that doesn't mean that I have to do it.  Too many of us need love and that's okay.  God is there for us to learn about love and how we should treat others fairly.

It's so easy to make such a mistake.  We men can have love towards each other without being derided about it by some others.  It is a travesty for other men to have to hide their feelings of love for each other just because they are looked down upon or it might be thought that they are gay.  I'm not talking about sex, so don't get mixed up on me.

Often, it is what is unsaid that causes the problems.  I'm trying to find the best words to explain this.  I hope that you can understand all of this without misunderstanding me.  Well, this is short for tonight, but it really hit home tonight that I should be more explicit.  It is now almost 1 a.m., so I should hit the sack.  May God Bless Your Journeys To Him During Your Lives,

MichaelC

Michael, the Lord wants us to love the person not the sin as you say, yet if we do not tell it like it is, is that really loving them. Not telling the truth about faces them is not loving them....Not telling them what the judgement will be is not loving them.

Jesus tells us in no uncertain terms what awaits the LGPTQ????? person unless the repent and turn toward HIM in both testaments. It is not judging them that is the problem. It is seeing the sin for what it is and not telling them the truth.

Blade



Dear Blade,

It is really good to hear from you so soon!  It will help me in trying to explain it to others on Twitter.  I do favor your reply here and agree with you.  We should identify which areas of being gay are sins and, perhaps, help them find a way to overcome them.  BR, of course I plan to fill the Internet with disdains towards what actions to cease from if they are having anal or oral sex with other men or women.  I believe that the oral sex is less volatile than anything else.  I want to let them know that such sex is not necessary in order to show them that you love them tons as an excellent friend.

In this way, I can also warn them why they should put wrong actions away from them and just instead live in love, which is so good for the heart, mind and soul.  Of course, telling other LGBTQ persons will help them with their lives and the world as a whole.

Love is tricky sometimes.  I would also tell them to refrain from wearing a dress if you are serious about it and get rid of the prissy sound of their voices which some gay men have.  It is very unpleasant listening to it, to say the least.

Some people have very big hearts and I am one of them.  I love just about everybody, but sometimes each have a way or more that I don't like, yet I still love the person they are, despite their sins.  I know it seems unlikely plausible.  It's not so hard to do, but at times, I know it can be.  I guess you are the same way as me.

Some "macho" guys will simply not try this approach and come down hard on other males or females.  They don't realize that it just hurts themselves also, in the long run and is not the way we're taught by Jesus.  Jesus must have been touched in His heart by the adulteress and forgave her, telling to go and sin no more.  He accomplished a lot for her and all of us by revealing such actions and words.  It gives us all a heads up on how we should respond to sinners.

Jesus gets all of His ways from His Father, our God.  So with the both of them loving us regardless of the sinning is quite an admirable, yet unexpected, action.  I long to be with God ASAP so that I can ask even more questions about everything.  And just to love Him and Jesus, His Son.  I must have TONS of patience.  It is like a monkey on my back.  Do I explain this okay?

Yes, the world will not be as white, soon, if the sins & evil are not beaten out of the nations.  God wants to give Jesus an Earth that is in great shape and it will be a wonderful present.  See Rev. 19:7KJV.  BR, the righteous, clean Earth and it's people will BE the bride offered to the Lamb.  You don't have to believe me now, but go and read it again.

O well, I should get going from here now and go on Twitter for awhile.  It's 3 a.m. here already and it will be 4 a.m. or so before I get to go to bed.  Will chat again soon and I hope that all is very well with you and yours today.  You take good care and enjoy the week.

God's Very Best, Full Of His And Jesus' Love & Understanding,

MichaelC


Title: Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
Post by: Bladerunner on April 13, 2021, 08:54:00 pm
Dear Blade {& Chaplain Mark},

I want to jot a note to you both to clarify that you should love each other as you love yourselves, for Jesus taught us to do that.  This does not mean that you should love their sins and take them to be your own, also.  Jesus did not tell Paul that He was going to kill some Christians, too, like he {Paul} had done, just because He forgave him.

Homosexuals should be forgiven; thieves, and adulterers, yes, but don't become totally like them just because you should love them.  Do you know what I mean here??  Anal intercourse is not the answer here whatsoever, and I would be inclined to stay away from oral intercourse, too.  One might lead to another.

I love man very much, but not having sex with them.  I put myself in their shoes, and can know what they are going through.  Some men like to dress up like women, too, but that doesn't mean that I have to do it.  Too many of us need love and that's okay.  God is there for us to learn about love and how we should treat others fairly.

It's so easy to make such a mistake.  We men can have love towards each other without being derided about it by some others.  It is a travesty for other men to have to hide their feelings of love for each other just because they are looked down upon or it might be thought that they are gay.  I'm not talking about sex, so don't get mixed up on me.

Often, it is what is unsaid that causes the problems.  I'm trying to find the best words to explain this.  I hope that you can understand all of this without misunderstanding me.  Well, this is short for tonight, but it really hit home tonight that I should be more explicit.  It is now almost 1 a.m., so I should hit the sack.  May God Bless Your Journeys To Him During Your Lives,

MichaelC

Michael, the Lord wants us to love the person not the sin as you say, yet if we do not tell it like it is, is that really loving them. Not telling the truth about faces them is not loving them....Not telling them what the judgement will be is not loving them.

Jesus tells us in no uncertain terms what awaits the LGPTQ????? person unless the repent and turn toward HIM in both testaments. It is not judging them that is the problem. It is seeing the sin for what it is and not telling them the truth.

Blade



Dear Blade,

It is really good to hear from you so soon!  It will help me in trying to explain it to others on Twitter.  I do favor your reply here and agree with you.  We should identify which areas of being gay are sins and, perhaps, help them find a way to overcome them.  BR, of course I plan to fill the Internet with disdains towards what actions to cease from if they are having anal or oral sex with other men or women.  I believe that the oral sex is less volatile than anything else.  I want to let them know that such sex is not necessary in order to show them that you love them tons as an excellent friend.

In this way, I can also warn them why they should put wrong actions away from them and just instead live in love, which is so good for the heart, mind and soul.  Of course, telling other LGBTQ persons will help them with their lives and the world as a whole.

Love is tricky sometimes.  I would also tell them to refrain from wearing a dress if you are serious about it and get rid of the prissy sound of their voices which some gay men have.  It is very unpleasant listening to it, to say the least.

Some people have very big hearts and I am one of them.  I love just about everybody, but sometimes each have a way or more that I don't like, yet I still love the person they are, despite their sins.  I know it seems unlikely plausible.  It's not so hard to do, but at times, I know it can be.  I guess you are the same way as me.

Some "macho" guys will simply not try this approach and come down hard on other males or females.  They don't realize that it just hurts themselves also, in the long run and is not the way we're taught by Jesus.  Jesus must have been touched in His heart by the adulteress and forgave her, telling to go and sin no more.  He accomplished a lot for her and all of us by revealing such actions and words.  It gives us all a heads up on how we should respond to sinners.

Jesus gets all of His ways from His Father, our God.  So with the both of them loving us regardless of the sinning is quite an admirable, yet unexpected, action.  I long to be with God ASAP so that I can ask even more questions about everything.  And just to love Him and Jesus, His Son.  I must have TONS of patience.  It is like a monkey on my back.  Do I explain this okay?

Yes, the world will not be as white, soon, if the sins & evil are not beaten out of the nations.  God wants to give Jesus an Earth that is in great shape and it will be a wonderful present.  See Rev. 19:7KJV.  BR, the righteous, clean Earth and it's people will BE the bride offered to the Lamb.  You don't have to believe me now, but go and read it again.

O well, I should get going from here now and go on Twitter for awhile.  It's 3 a.m. here already and it will be 4 a.m. or so before I get to go to bed.  Will chat again soon and I hope that all is very well with you and yours today.  You take good care and enjoy the week.

God's Very Best, Full Of His And Jesus' Love & Understanding,

MichaelC


sounds like you got a plan Michael.....thank you.

Blade
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‘Pray Away the Gay’ Has Gone Away. Why Are Governments Trying to Stop It?







Nations around the globe are pushing bans on conversion therapy, some without defining what it is.


When the Evangelical Alliance of the United Kingdom wrote Prime Minister Boris Johnson about the country’s push to ban conversion therapy, its first request was that lawmakers define the term.

Conversion therapy has become a vague catchall that can refer to abusive and even violent efforts to change someone’s sexual orientation but also can be construed to mean any religious act that doesn’t affirm LGBT identities. In addition to proposals in the UK and Canada, bans have been enacted in Malta, Germany, Spain, Ecuador, Brazil, Taiwan, Australia, and 20 US states—some carefully defining conversion therapy, some not.

The term often evokes the most extreme attempts to eliminate unwanted same-sex attraction: shock therapy, exorcisms, forced heterosexual marriages, and even rape. More commonly, conversion therapy ministries have promised that people could overcome their desires through prayer, discipleship, and counseling.

In the past decade, however, even that kind of conversion therapy has mostly disappeared. Exodus International, evangelicalism’s flagship ex-gay ministry, shut down in 2013 after former leader Alan Chambers said it had caused pain and harm to too many people and that more than 99 percent of those who’d sought help there hadn’t actually experienced an orientation change. No major organization has emerged to take its place, and conversion therapy has fallen out of practice.

Psychologist Mark Yarhouse, director of Wheaton College’s Sexual and Gender Identity Institute, said that while some smaller organizations persist in prayer ministries aimed at changing people’s sexual orientation, he’s not aware of any major groups, mainstream evangelical ministries, or professional Christian counselors who practice any version of conversion therapy.

And yet, as the practice itself has all but disappeared, public campaigns to ban it are growing around the world. Some Christians worry that new regulations with poor definitions will take aim at what the UK Evangelical Alliance calls “everyday aspects” of church life.

A new law in Victoria, Australia, for example, will ban “religious practices, including but not limited to a prayer-based practice” aimed at “changing or suppressing the sexual orientation.” The government also says conversion therapy is illegal “with or without the person’s consent.” It is not yet clear how the law, which goes into effect in February 2022, will be applied, but it could criminalize praying for people who ask for prayer.

Australian pastor and writer Stephen McAlpine says the law is intended to challenge Christian teachings on sexuality.

“They’re looking for churches to self-censor,” he said. “It’s not like there’s churches doing lots of conversion therapy. It’s prayer groups where someone comes to you and says, ‘I’ve got unwanted same-sex desires. Could you pray for me?’ ”

McAlpine worries that Victoria’s new law will prompt pastors to say no. “Churches are going to actually pastor people less,” he said.

While ministries including Exodus International and Focus on the Family used to preach that homosexual desire should be eliminated, most evangelical churches, pastors, and mental health professionals today emphasize chastity amid desires that might last a lifetime. “Conversion” is no longer the goal—faithfulness is.

“There’s a greater proportion [of Christians] today that see it as more of an enduring reality,” Yarhouse said. “The person may experience same-sex sexuality, but now it’s, ‘How do I live with it?’ ”

Even the Nashville Statement, a 14-point manifesto by the complementarian Council of Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, maintains that homosexual desire may never change. “We affirm that people who experience sexual attraction for the same sex may live a rich and fruitful life pleasing to God through faith in Jesus Christ, as they, like all Christians, walk in purity of life,” it reads.

Licensed counselor Jen Simmons says she has counseled clients and walked alongside friends who are same-sex attracted but have chosen celibacy or to marry someone of the opposite sex. She doesn’t try to change their orientation, but helps them develop skills to cope with unwanted same-sex attraction.

Simmons says therapy that promises to change a person’s sexual orientation is unethical, harmful, and simply impossible.

“Just like if someone has a genetic and biological propensity to anxiety, and they came in saying, ‘I want you to make my anxiety go away,’ ” she said. “I could never promise that.”

Still, Simmons is concerned about conversion therapy bans, since some of them, such as Australia’s, could target her work and prohibit “even just introducing a biblical ethic or talking about the biblical view of marriage,” she said.

Jayne Ozanne, founder of the Ozanne Foundation and the Global Interfaith Commission on LGBTQ+ Lives, which advocates for a national conversion therapy ban in the UK, said such a law is necessary to curb self-harm and suicide among those who identify as LGBT. A 2019 government survey found that only 2 percent of LGBT people in the UK had undergone conversion therapy, but she believes it still happens widely.

Ozanne, a lesbian evangelical, says she was repeatedly told while growing up in church that God would change her orientation if she prayed hard enough. When it didn’t happen, she not only felt shamed, but it shook her faith.

She pushes back on concerns that conversion therapy bans would muzzle therapists, but she has confirmed some evangelicals’ fears: She believes the bans need to focus on what’s going on inside churches. She says that prayer ministry teams “aren’t as regulated as we’d like to think they are” and untrained professionals, like pastors or lay ministers, shouldn’t be talking to people about things like sexual orientation. Ozanne hopes the conversion therapy ban in Victoria, Australia, will be used as a model in the rest of the world.


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In the US, where there are lots of protections for speech, federal courts have struck down bans in two Florida cities on First Amendment grounds. The bans that have withstood challenges have been more narrowly focused: In Virginia and other jurisdictions, the therapy is banned only for minors.

Most bans in the US also explicitly exempt churches and pastors, though they can still threaten Christian professionals, according to Matt Sharp, an attorney with Alliance Defending Freedom.

At the same time, licenced counselors are rarely trying to change orientation. Simmons said that when issues of sexuality come up, she is more likely to appeal to the science of trauma and attachment than she is to cite Scripture.

“We can rely on what’s true,” she said. “We can rely on a lot that’s being discovered in science...all truth is God’s truth.”

Maria Baer is a contributing writer for CT and is based in Columbus, Ohio.