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Title: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: Lori Bolinger on February 21, 2020, 09:30:26 am
We are told to Love one another....so let's say that Joe comes to you and says, I was just diagnosed with cancer, please pray for me.

Keeping in mind the Lord's prayer as well as the Love Chapter, I Corinthians 13, what would a prayer of Love look like....might be a trick question but should open up some great discussion if we all keep a level head and just have a great discussion.
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: truthjourney on February 21, 2020, 01:45:03 pm
We are told to Love one another....so let's say that Joe comes to you and says, I was just diagnosed with cancer, please pray for me.

Keeping in mind the Lord's prayer as well as the Love Chapter, I Corinthians 13, what would a prayer of Love look like....might be a trick question but should open up some great discussion if we all keep a level head and just have a great discussion.
It would be a prayer of true concern and love from the heart, ...from the heart. Jesus said in prayer "If it is your will, take this cup from me. Yet not my will but your will be done"....So that's the way I would pray for Joe, from the heart with love and I would say, "If it is your will, remove the cancer and heal him. That is what I humbly pray to happen. Yet not my will but your will be done.
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: Lori Bolinger on February 22, 2020, 10:59:16 am
I'm smiling because Brian told me to add the garden prayer which is exactly what you did...nice job.

So many times we pray for what we want to happen and forget what God wants.  For example, I usually and am currently praying for God to reveal Himself to whomever it is I am praying for in that situation.  Why?  Because God wants to be seen (not with fleshly eyes to quench anyone reading who wants to twist what I am saying)  The Lord's prayer shows us that we can pray the things we know God wants for us, like peace, provision, etc.  Likewise, Love has a purpose and that purpose is to bring reconciliation first to God then to others.

Some years ago, Brian got pneumonia (thankful for autocorrect on this one) When he stopped long enough to listen to God, he was made well...Sometimes and he would tell you this, God allows or causes illness in order to get our attention...that is why I often ask that God would be revealed in the situation.

Anyway, thanks
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: truthjourney on February 22, 2020, 11:13:20 am
I'm smiling because Brian told me to add the garden prayer which is exactly what you did...nice job.

So many times we pray for what we want to happen and forget what God wants.  For example, I usually and am currently praying for God to reveal Himself to whomever it is I am praying for in that situation.  Why?  Because God wants to be seen (not with fleshly eyes to quench anyone reading who wants to twist what I am saying)  The Lord's prayer shows us that we can pray the things we know God wants for us, like peace, provision, etc.  Likewise, Love has a purpose and that purpose is to bring reconciliation first to God then to others.

Some years ago, Brian got pneumonia (thankful for autocorrect on this one) When he stopped long enough to listen to God, he was made well...Sometimes and he would tell you this, God allows or causes illness in order to get our attention...that is why I often ask that God would be revealed in the situation.

Anyway, thanks
Someone told me something once that I hadn't thought of before. They said that if we pray for someone about a certain thing, without that person wanting or asking for prayer for what we believe they need help with, that we may be praying against their free will. It would be different if the person asked for prayer and stated exactly what they needed and wanted to be prayed for and are agreeable to be prayed for that reason. But people don't always want or need what we believe or think they want or need in way of prayer.

I may not have explained that very well.
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: patrick jane on February 22, 2020, 11:15:07 am
We are told to Love one another....so let's say that Joe comes to you and says, I was just diagnosed with cancer, please pray for me.

Keeping in mind the Lord's prayer as well as the Love Chapter, I Corinthians 13, what would a prayer of Love look like....might be a trick question but should open up some great discussion if we all keep a level head and just have a great discussion.
What if you don't feel the love?
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: Bladerunner on February 23, 2020, 07:31:13 pm
We are told to Love one another....so let's say that Joe comes to you and says, I was just diagnosed with cancer, please pray for me.

Keeping in mind the Lord's prayer as well as the Love Chapter, I Corinthians 13, what would a prayer of Love look like....might be a trick question but should open up some great discussion if we all keep a level head and just have a great discussion.
What if you don't feel the love?

we all pray a different prayer for those we do not know and for those we do know. a Prayer asking for GOD to give comfort to those  is about all we can ask....The prayer itself gets us involved in the process with GOD....

Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: Lori Bolinger on February 24, 2020, 11:07:46 am
I'm smiling because Brian told me to add the garden prayer which is exactly what you did...nice job.

So many times we pray for what we want to happen and forget what God wants.  For example, I usually and am currently praying for God to reveal Himself to whomever it is I am praying for in that situation.  Why?  Because God wants to be seen (not with fleshly eyes to quench anyone reading who wants to twist what I am saying)  The Lord's prayer shows us that we can pray the things we know God wants for us, like peace, provision, etc.  Likewise, Love has a purpose and that purpose is to bring reconciliation first to God then to others.

Some years ago, Brian got pneumonia (thankful for autocorrect on this one) When he stopped long enough to listen to God, he was made well...Sometimes and he would tell you this, God allows or causes illness in order to get our attention...that is why I often ask that God would be revealed in the situation.

Anyway, thanks
Someone told me something once that I hadn't thought of before. They said that if we pray for someone about a certain thing, without that person wanting or asking for prayer for what we believe they need help with, that we may be praying against their free will. It would be different if the person asked for prayer and stated exactly what they needed and wanted to be prayed for and are agreeable to be prayed for that reason. But people don't always want or need what we believe or think they want or need in way of prayer.

I may not have explained that very well.
I think it is more about what God wants for them but I get what you are saying.

I mentioned the young friend who has just had a very bad diagnosis.  I prayed that they would have peace.  Because of an emergency trip out of state, I asked her how she was doing, she said "surprisingly good"...God's will prayer into their life.

I have another friend who was telling me once about marriage problems, we prayed and I prayed that God would be revealed in  their marriage, to heal them so that they could testify to the beauty of God's Love....afterwards, she said to me, "I thought you were suppose to pray for what you want"...I told her I did for those were the things that God wants for them. Often times, our desires and God's will are in contrast with one another.  Thus the question, are our prayers covetous as in what we want, or are they yielding our wills to what God desires for us?  I have no problem saying, we would like you to X but it is when we pray peace, contentment, comfort, spiritual healing, etc. into their lives that we finally grasp "not my will but thine be done."

My two cents
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: Lori Bolinger on February 24, 2020, 11:10:28 am
We are told to Love one another....so let's say that Joe comes to you and says, I was just diagnosed with cancer, please pray for me.

Keeping in mind the Lord's prayer as well as the Love Chapter, I Corinthians 13, what would a prayer of Love look like....might be a trick question but should open up some great discussion if we all keep a level head and just have a great discussion.
What if you don't feel the love?
Love is agape Love and it is emotion, actions, attitude and more.  So we can have action and attitude without emotion etc.  However, I would start such a prayer (me personally) with "Lord, help me to Love them enough to pray your will into their lives with a sincere Love for them.  Show me your will for me in their life and make ME a willing servant even in this...."  or something like that....so that I am NOT hindering the will of God in their lives.
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: patrick jane on February 24, 2020, 11:45:21 am
We are told to Love one another....so let's say that Joe comes to you and says, I was just diagnosed with cancer, please pray for me.

Keeping in mind the Lord's prayer as well as the Love Chapter, I Corinthians 13, what would a prayer of Love look like....might be a trick question but should open up some great discussion if we all keep a level head and just have a great discussion.
What if you don't feel the love?
Love is agape Love and it is emotion, actions, attitude and more.  So we can have action and attitude without emotion etc.  However, I would start such a prayer (me personally) with "Lord, help me to Love them enough to pray your will into their lives with a sincere Love for them.  Show me your will for me in their life and make ME a willing servant even in this...."  or something like that....so that I am NOT hindering the will of God in their lives.
Thank you Lori, I will pray for those qualities and God's will to be done. Excellent reply.
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: truthjourney on February 24, 2020, 01:12:54 pm
I'm smiling because Brian told me to add the garden prayer which is exactly what you did...nice job.

So many times we pray for what we want to happen and forget what God wants.  For example, I usually and am currently praying for God to reveal Himself to whomever it is I am praying for in that situation.  Why?  Because God wants to be seen (not with fleshly eyes to quench anyone reading who wants to twist what I am saying)  The Lord's prayer shows us that we can pray the things we know God wants for us, like peace, provision, etc.  Likewise, Love has a purpose and that purpose is to bring reconciliation first to God then to others.

Some years ago, Brian got pneumonia (thankful for autocorrect on this one) When he stopped long enough to listen to God, he was made well...Sometimes and he would tell you this, God allows or causes illness in order to get our attention...that is why I often ask that God would be revealed in the situation.

Anyway, thanks
Someone told me something once that I hadn't thought of before. They said that if we pray for someone about a certain thing, without that person wanting or asking for prayer for what we believe they need help with, that we may be praying against their free will. It would be different if the person asked for prayer and stated exactly what they needed and wanted to be prayed for and are agreeable to be prayed for that reason. But people don't always want or need what we believe or think they want or need in way of prayer.

I may not have explained that very well.
I think it is more about what God wants for them but I get what you are saying.
Yes, I agree but not everyone sees it that way.

I think the point this person was making is that someone we might pray for would act against and not in harmony with what we prayed for in some way because of their free will. 

I just thought of an example. I was at this woman's home one day. It was really hot, summertime. She began talking in an excited and even happy way about her deceased husband and she said he had been appearing to her. As she was telling me this, the temperature dropped to a chill in the room. She didn't have the air conditioner on. I knew it was time to pray. I told her that we needed to pray for protection and she was disappointed. But I prayed for protection anyway and before finishing the prayer, the temperature returned to normal. I tried to tell her not to seek out that kind of thing again. That it wasn't her husband appearing to her. She was very disappointed. So I don't know if she continued to seek that out but I had prayed for her. She didn't seem to like what I said.
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Often times, our desires and God's will are in contrast with one another.  Thus the question, are our prayers covetous as in what we want, or are they yielding our wills to what God desires for us?  I have no problem saying, we would like you to X but it is when we pray peace, contentment, comfort, spiritual healing, etc. into their lives that we finally grasp "not my will but thine be done."
Yes. Well said. :)

Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: truthjourney on February 24, 2020, 01:15:26 pm
We are told to Love one another....so let's say that Joe comes to you and says, I was just diagnosed with cancer, please pray for me.

Keeping in mind the Lord's prayer as well as the Love Chapter, I Corinthians 13, what would a prayer of Love look like....might be a trick question but should open up some great discussion if we all keep a level head and just have a great discussion.
What if you don't feel the love?
I prayed for an enemy and I didn't feel love. That was the only time I remember praying for someone when I didn't feel love.
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: Lori Bolinger on February 25, 2020, 07:24:41 am
So we can add another layer to this discussion.  That of sacrificial prayers.

On another forum, I was once asked to pray for a woman who needed to move.  We also needed to move (long story) as I was praying, God asked me what I was willing to give that she could move.  I said to God that we both could move, HE was big enough to do that.  To which God said to me, that is not the question.

Hahaha....after sometime, I accepted that I was willing to stay where we were if God would move her...within the week she moved and we were still in our situation.  today we have a miracle house and property but the point is, are we willing to do our part for the person we are praying for?


But another thing we don't think about much is that God hears the prayers of the righteous but turns from the unrighteous.  There is often times a lot of talk about whether or not we have to obey, but if we want power behind our prayers, we need to be obedient and maintain a right relationship with God.

Just some thoughts to think about.
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: patrick jane on February 25, 2020, 10:40:31 am
Lori, I see a pattern with your posts and threads and that's only with glancing briefly at what you post. You are putting heavy emphasis on obeying and you are placing yourself AGAIN under the yoke of bondage.

You will continue to have doubts and you will lack confidence and boldness, just my opinion. I think you compare yourself to others and you think you are righteous and that you obey God. You will be free in Christ when you finally stop thinking this way.
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: Lori Bolinger on February 26, 2020, 07:22:47 am
I definitely don't think I am more righteous than others, in fact, Brian and I were talking this week about how unrighteous I see myself and how hard that is for me, not because I want to be perfect but because I want to be a pleasing aroma to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

That said, not only do I appreciate your words and prayerfully consider them but I also will say this.  I do not feel in bondage at all, I feel passionate about pleasing my Lord and King and there is a huge difference between the two.

Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: patrick jane on February 26, 2020, 08:14:45 am
I definitely don't think I am more righteous than others, in fact, Brian and I were talking this week about how unrighteous I see myself and how hard that is for me, not because I want to be perfect but because I want to be a pleasing aroma to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

That said, not only do I appreciate your words and prayerfully consider them but I also will say this.  I do not feel in bondage at all, I feel passionate about pleasing my Lord and King and there is a huge difference between the two.
I know I seem harsh sometimes, but it's only the impression I got from minimal reading. I see the titles though and I love what you do here and at TF with the great topics you create. God bless you and I'm sure you have some opinions of me that may or may not be completely accurate. I feel really inadequate in righteousness but I have confidence that I am saved and sealed. If I'm wrong in the end at least I enjoyed life believing I am saved and sealed, ha haha !!!
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: Lori Bolinger on February 26, 2020, 08:21:48 am
I appreciate knowing how others see me as long as it is spoken in Love (how I took your comments, no worries)  Sometimes I wonder how people cannot see how much I struggle to be all I can be in Christ since I try to be open about all those struggles.  Yet some see it and others don't...confusing lol

I am just passionate about the Living God and that oozes out of everything I do and say and believe.  That is all....right now I am working on how to train in righteousness so righteousness will come up a lot.  Next (I think, not sure yet) is the OT temple/tabernacle and how the old law informs us of the wonders of Christ's sacrifice and suffering for us being saved by grace.  I was in a class that taught it eons ago and it had a huge impact on me then, I figure it will be even more powerful when I do the study myself but I am also sure that will stir a lot of threads about the symbolism between the old covenant and the new one.
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: truthjourney on February 26, 2020, 10:52:11 am
But another thing we don't think about much is that God hears the prayers of the righteous but turns from the unrighteous.  There is often times a lot of talk about whether or not we have to obey, but if we want power behind our prayers, we need to be obedient and maintain a right relationship with God.

Just some thoughts to think about.
I think what you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that our words, deeds and actions affect our relationship with God. So if we want power behind our prayers, then our words, deeds and actions need to be in harmony with what God would want us to do and say and act in accordance with what the scriptures teach is approved by God and what He wants us to do and how He wants us to live our lives every day. That would be a living faith.; and not act in such a way against what God would want us to do and say and that includes our actions. So by taking this into account, we can maintain a right relationship with God.
Title: Re: How do we pray a prayer of Love?
Post by: Lori Bolinger on February 26, 2020, 11:07:58 am
exactly