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Title: Melchizedek
Post by: patrick jane on January 14, 2020, 10:56:32 pm
Hebrews 5:1-14 ASV
1 For every high priest, being taken from among men, is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 who can bear gently with the ignorant and erring, for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity;
3 and by reason thereof is bound, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh the honor unto himself, but when he is called of God, even as was Aaron.
5 So Christ also glorified not himself to be made a high priest, but he that spake unto him, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee:
6 as he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchizedek.
7 Who in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear,
8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation;
10 named of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard of interpretation, seeing ye are become dull of hearing.
12 For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food.
13 For every one that partaketh of milk is without experience of the word of righteousness; for he is a babe.
14 But solid food is for fullgrown men, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil.

Hebrews 7:1-8 ASV
1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
2 to whom also Abraham divided a tenth part of all (being first, by interpretation, King of righteousness, and then also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto1 the Son of God), abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man2 was,3 unto whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth out of the chief spoils.
5 And they indeed of the sons of Levi that receive the priest's office have commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though these have come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 but he whose genealogy is not counted from them hath taken tithes of Abraham, and hath blessed him that hath the promises.
7 But without any dispute the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there one, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Notes:
1 αφωμοιωμενος
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 871: ἀφομοιόω
ἀφομοιόω, ἀφομοιῶ: (perfect passive participle ἀφωμοιωμένος (on augment see WH's Appendix, p. 161)); "to cause a model to pass off (ἀπό) into an image or shape like it to express itself in it" (cf. ἀπεικάζειν, ἀπεικονίζειν, ἀποπλάσσειν, ἀπομιμεῖσθαι); to copy; to produce a facsimile: τά καλά εἴδη, of painters, Xenophon, mem. 3, 10, 2; often in Plato. Passive to be made like, rendered similar: so Hebrews 7:3. (Epistle Jeremiah 4 (5), 62 (63), 70 (71); and in Plato.)

2 ουτος - "this one", "that one", "he", (not necessarily "this man" as rendered in the ASV).

3 "was" - only necessary to the ASV rendering because of the way this statement is rendered, (nothing of the kind exists in the Greek text), and if anything it should say "is", not "was", "Now consider how great this one is", (which is evidenced by the fact that the author says Melchizedek abides-remains Priest into the perpetuity, forever).

Assertions based on the Epistle to the Hebrews:

1 Melchizedek is an express facsimile-image of the Word within the Word.
2 Melchizedek abides-remains Priest of the Most High Elohim into the perpetuity, (forever).
3 Melchizedek is the one and only one-of-a-kind Son of Elohim.
4 The Anointed One is High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The author of the Epistle to the Hebrews is teaching Adoption.
Title: Re: Melchizedek
Post by: Bladerunner on January 15, 2020, 05:56:01 pm
Hebrews 5:1-14 ASV
1 For every high priest, being taken from among men, is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 who can bear gently with the ignorant and erring, for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity;
3 and by reason thereof is bound, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh the honor unto himself, but when he is called of God, even as was Aaron.
5 So Christ also glorified not himself to be made a high priest, but he that spake unto him, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee:
6 as he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchizedek.
7 Who in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear,
8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation;
10 named of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard of interpretation, seeing ye are become dull of hearing.
12 For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food.
13 For every one that partaketh of milk is without experience of the word of righteousness; for he is a babe.
14 But solid food is for fullgrown men, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil.

Hebrews 7:1-8 ASV
1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
2 to whom also Abraham divided a tenth part of all (being first, by interpretation, King of righteousness, and then also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto1 the Son of God), abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man2 was,3 unto whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth out of the chief spoils.
5 And they indeed of the sons of Levi that receive the priest's office have commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though these have come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 but he whose genealogy is not counted from them hath taken tithes of Abraham, and hath blessed him that hath the promises.
7 But without any dispute the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there one, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Notes:
1 αφωμοιωμενος
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 871: ἀφομοιόω
ἀφομοιόω, ἀφομοιῶ: (perfect passive participle ἀφωμοιωμένος (on augment see WH's Appendix, p. 161)); "to cause a model to pass off (ἀπό) into an image or shape like it to express itself in it" (cf. ἀπεικάζειν, ἀπεικονίζειν, ἀποπλάσσειν, ἀπομιμεῖσθαι); to copy; to produce a facsimile: τά καλά εἴδη, of painters, Xenophon, mem. 3, 10, 2; often in Plato. Passive to be made like, rendered similar: so Hebrews 7:3. (Epistle Jeremiah 4 (5), 62 (63), 70 (71); and in Plato.)

2 ουτος - "this one", "that one", "he", (not necessarily "this man" as rendered in the ASV).

3 "was" - only necessary to the ASV rendering because of the way this statement is rendered, (nothing of the kind exists in the Greek text), and if anything it should say "is", not "was", "Now consider how great this one is", (which is evidenced by the fact that the author says Melchizedek abides-remains Priest into the perpetuity, forever).

Assertions based on the Epistle to the Hebrews:

1 Melchizedek is an express facsimile-image of the Word within the Word.
2 Melchizedek abides-remains Priest of the Most High Elohim into the perpetuity, (forever).
3 Melchizedek is the one and only one-of-a-kind Son of Elohim.
4 The Anointed One is High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The author of the Epistle to the Hebrews is teaching Adoption.


NO to "Melchizedek is the one and only one-of-a-kind Son of Elohim."

We do not know very much about him but the fact He was a King and Priest is a type of Jesus Christ.....Jesus was/is a King, was/is a priest and is also a prophet..

There is another? the 'Type of Melchizedek' encompasses. That will be those in the Church (body of Christ). We will rule the earth through Jesus Christ as Kings and Priest.

Blade
Title: Re: Melchizedek
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on January 19, 2020, 10:41:47 pm
I find it interesting that the ancient Hebrew historian Josephus calls Melchizedek two different titles.  In his book called the "War of the Jews", he calls him a Canaanite Chief.  Then in his book "The Antiquities of the Jews", he referred to him as Priest.   

The two references in the bible to Melchizedek referred to him as a King of Salem in Genisis 14  then is referred to as a Priest in Psalms 110.

In one other historical writing type of book they note that he thought he was the first coming of the Messiah and that he would return in the future to fulfill his duties.

This is definitely going to be on my read a research list after I finish working on my writing on Esther.
Title: Re: Melchizedek
Post by: Bladerunner on January 29, 2020, 08:05:44 pm
I find it interesting that the ancient Hebrew historian Josephus calls Melchizedek two different titles.  In his book called the "War of the Jews", he calls him a Canaanite Chief.  Then in his book "The Antiquities of the Jews", he referred to him as Priest.   

The two references in the bible to Melchizedek referred to him as a King of Salem in Genisis 14  then is referred to as a Priest in Psalms 110.

In one other historical writing type of book they note that he thought he was the first coming of the Messiah and that he would return in the future to fulfill his duties.

This is definitely going to be on my read a research list after I finish working on my writing on Esther.

Melchizedek is a type for Jesus and the (Church (body of Christ))

Why....He was the King of Salem and was also a Priest the Abraham had given Tithes to.

The Type of Jesus is that Jesus is a King, He is the High Priest and Prophet.

The Type of Church is  that the Body of Christ (all of them) will become Kings and Priest as written in Revelation.

Other than what Josephus states in His writings, Nothing else is known about Melchizedek.


Blade
Title: Re: Melchizedek
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on January 29, 2020, 09:07:02 pm
Philo mentions  Melchizedek five times in his writings.  I am still trying to decipher what he is trying to express.  Philo is hard for me.  I know others find him easy to follow.
Title: Re: Melchizedek
Post by: Bladerunner on January 29, 2020, 11:10:49 pm
Philo mentions  Melchizedek five times in his writings.  I am still trying to decipher what he is trying to express.  Philo is hard for me.  I know others find him easy to follow.

In the book I have of Philo, he mentions Melchizedek, three times with Paul exalting Jesus Christ above Melchizedek as a King and Priest. Still does not tell us anything about this man that spoke to Abraham.

Heard you were feeling better...Good to hear.

Blade
Title: Re: Melchizedek
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on January 29, 2020, 11:14:58 pm
Yeah, that seems to be a real issue is from what I can tell there is nothing written about him  He seems to be somewhat important in the timeline so to speak but not enough to give background detail. 

Yes feeling better thank you.
Title: Re: Melchizedek
Post by: Bladerunner on January 30, 2020, 06:33:05 pm
Yeah, that seems to be a real issue is from what I can tell there is nothing written about him  He seems to be somewhat important in the timeline so to speak but not enough to give background detail. 

Yes feeling better thank you.

He is indeed a type of Jesus Christ as a King and Priest.....also the Church (Body of Christ) will also be Kings and Priest.....

In Israel it was forbidden against the law to be both a King and Priest.  The Church (Wife of Christ) will be in good company.

Blade