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Title: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on August 14, 2018, 10:20:48 pm
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I'm putting abortion in Theology because I don't want to argue politics and parties but the ethics, morality etc. and the problem strikes at the core of our humanity. I believe life begins at conception and aborting at any time, no matter how early, is the same as murder.

I believe that at conception a new life begins and starts to grow. To knowingly and intentionally end that life or remove that life is murder and should be outlawed worldwide starting in America.


I'm open to hear reasons why I should change my mind.



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Title: Re: Abortion Is Wrong - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on August 15, 2018, 12:20:04 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2PAajlHbnU
Title: Re: Abortion Is Wrong - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on August 15, 2018, 01:11:03 am
I’m Pro-Life | Change My Mind


Change My Mind: Abortion.

In a new segment called "Change My Mind", Steven Crowder takes to the streets to have real conversations with everyday people on hot button issues.


https://youtu.be/OCSZYJywQPM
Title: Re: Abortion Is Wrong - Change My Mind
Post by: Bladerunner on August 15, 2018, 08:54:26 pm
We all know how a New Life ( a baby) is started...

But DO we really know?

At conception, an egg from the woman is sent down the fallopian tube from one of her two ovaries.  There in the Uterus it sits awaiting its opportunity to be
fertilized by a male spermatozoa.Out of the millions in healthy male only one sperm will be lucky enough to find it way into the egg. When this happens, the eggs outer layer immediately hardens to prevent others from getting in.

The above story is common in all mammals on earth. That does not make it any less of a Miracle from GOD!

The Egg now has 46 pairs of Chromosomes. 23 pair from each parent. These contain all the programs necessary to determine male or female, the color of hair, the color of eye, skin tone, etc. The DNA, the software that determines what each human being becomes was written when Adam and EVE were created.

The Egg begins to split. This splitting divided the egg the first time into two eggs. When the egg splits it copies everything thing contain within. Therefore each each egg has the exact same information as the original egg.

As time goes on, the eggs(s) have duplicated to a point that they begin to separate into categories. These categories include  the skin, the hair, Bones. heart, brain, eyeballs, liver, spleen and all other organs of the Body. Yes, also the reproductive organs as well.  These cells instead of the eggs contain the life's information for THIS HUMAN BEING!

What tells the cell to join a specific category and what decides the category it is to join... Is it in the DNA or is it by the Hand of GOD?

Once the cells have separated, they somehow JOIN each other is an intricate maze of nerves, veins, arteries, capillaries, heart valves, etc.etc. etc.....
 
How do cells  do this.. Is it written into the DNA Code or is it by the Hand of GOD?

 As all cells continue to replicate themselves, the body of the fetus becomes a little more noticeable. In fact, the first trimester, the sex can be determined.

The first trimester, 1-12 weeks, Heart is beating. Is the Baby ALIVE?

The Second-trimester, 13-28 weeks, Baby's sucking motion and their first bowel movement, can hear & swallow:  Is the Baby Alive?

The third-Trimester : 29-40 weeks.- eyes opening and closing, lungs, bones and other organs fully formed,    Is the Baby Alive.....?

At up to 20 weeks, abortions are performed on living babies. If they can hear, their brain is working.Their heart is working, their Brain is working as the  nerviest system  and the Brain controls all the body.
 
Notice that the heart is working in the first trimester where most abortions are performed.

 65,000,000 babies have been killed through abortion since ROE vs WADE.

Even in ancient times, abortion was illegal. As the prosperity of a nation  was dependent on its Birthrate.

Blade










 
Title: Re: Abortion Is Wrong - Change My Mind
Post by: joechan82 on August 16, 2018, 11:07:05 am
We all know how a New Life ( a baby) is started...

But DO we really know?

At conception, an egg from the woman is sent down the fallopian tube from one of her two ovaries.  There in the Uterus it sits awaiting its opportunity to be
fertilized by a male spermatozoa.Out of the millions in healthy male only one sperm will be lucky enough to find it way into the egg. When this happens, the eggs outer layer immediately hardens to prevent others from getting in.

The above story is common in all mammals on earth. That does not make it any less of a Miracle from GOD!

The Egg now has 46 pairs of Chromosomes. 23 pair from each parent. These contain all the programs necessary to determine male or female, the color of hair, the color of eye, skin tone, etc. The DNA, the software that determines what each human being becomes was written when Adam and EVE were created.

The Egg begins to split. This splitting divided the egg the first time into two eggs. When the egg splits it copies everything thing contain within. Therefore each each egg has the exact same information as the original egg.

As time goes on, the eggs(s) have duplicated to a point that they begin to separate into categories. These categories include  the skin, the hair, Bones. heart, brain, eyeballs, liver, spleen and all other organs of the Body. Yes, also the reproductive organs as well.  These cells instead of the eggs contain the life's information for THIS HUMAN BEING!

What tells the cell to join a specific category and what decides the category it is to join... Is it in the DNA or is it by the Hand of GOD?

Once the cells have separated, they somehow JOIN each other is an intricate maze of nerves, veins, arteries, capillaries, heart valves, etc.etc. etc.....
 
How do cells  do this.. Is it written into the DNA Code or is it by the Hand of GOD?

 As all cells continue to replicate themselves, the body of the fetus becomes a little more noticeable. In fact, the first trimester, the sex can be determined.

The first trimester, 1-12 weeks, Heart is beating. Is the Baby ALIVE?

The Second-trimester, 13-28 weeks, Baby's sucking motion and their first bowel movement, can hear & swallow:  Is the Baby Alive?

The third-Trimester : 29-40 weeks.- eyes opening and closing, lungs, bones and other organs fully formed,    Is the Baby Alive.....?

At up to 20 weeks, abortions are performed on living babies. If they can hear, their brain is working.Their heart is working, their Brain is working as the  nerviest system  and the Brain controls all the body.
 
Notice that the heart is working in the first trimester where most abortions are performed.

 65,000,000 babies have been killed through abortion since ROE vs WADE.

Even in ancient times, abortion was illegal. As the prosperity of a nation  was dependent on its Birthrate.

Blade
Well done, Blade! The miracle of birth explained. Add to your description that unlike mammals, humans are a living soul contained within that body, and we see that God and only God could possibly do all that. Again, well done, my man!
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: Bladerunner on August 16, 2018, 10:13:48 pm
For those people who don't know how to respond for the many reasons given by Mothers wanting an abortion. Here is the answer!

Most of the reasons for abortions can be narrowed down to one.

"the fetus is dehumanized".

Its easy to get rid of something that is not human. However, this opens up a counter argument that can be used with any of the reasons presented.

The TODDLER EFFECT!

I am sure you have heard this before:

Complaint: Its my body and I can't be tied down right now. 

Reply: I have a toddler here who has a mother that say she cannot be tied down right now... It is ok to go ahead and let her kill the Toddler?

Complaint: If I keep this baby, I will not be able to feed it or anything?

Reply: I have a Toddler whose mother cannot afford to feed it. It is Ok to let the Mother kill the Toddler to solve this problem?

Complaint: My boyfriend does not want any kids running around.

Reply:  I have a Toddler whose mother has a boyfriend who does not like or want kids around him.  It is OK to let the Mother kill the toddler in this case?

BUT you are talking about a Toddler and I am talking about a unborn Baby that I do not want.
 
I have a Toddler whose mother wants to get rid of it because it is in her opinion not human and she does not want it. It is OK for the MOTHER to Kill the Toddler? YES?

As you can see, this approach humanizes the Baby. Just remember, they will give all kind of excuses, scenarios, causes, etc.

Stay with the Toddler approach and it will work... Humanize that unborn Baby!

Blade
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on August 28, 2018, 01:41:16 am
Dr. Levatino Destroys Abortion in 2 Minutes


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Dr. Antony Levatino testifies at a House Judiciary Committee hearing about Planned Parenthood's medical procedures. Planned Parenthood has been under fire after videos were released showing how the mega abortion provider sold fetal tissue to researchers. Dr. Levatino gave this expert testimony in 2015.

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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on August 28, 2018, 06:15:05 am
Doctor Who Did 1,200 Abortions Tells Congress to Ban Them


Dr. Anthony Levatino is a pro-life physician from New Mexico but, before having a change of heart on the issue of abortion he was an OBGYN who also performed abortions.  Levatino did as many as 1,200 abortions — some of them after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

Then, after his daughter died in a tragic automobile accident, he re-evaluated his position on abortion and stopped doing abortions.  Today, Dr. Levatino told members of a Congressional committee that they should support a bill sponsored by Rep. Trent Franks that would ban abortions nationwide aft 20 weeks of pregnancy.


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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: guest13 on August 28, 2018, 07:31:34 am
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I'm putting abortion in Theology because I don't want to argue politics and parties but the ethics, morality etc. and the problem strikes at the core of our humanity. I believe life begins at conception and aborting at any time, no matter how early, is the same as murder.

As an anti-abortion, pro-child femininist, my argument against abortion is very simple: 

Abortion *intentionally* kills a developing, unborn baby.
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on August 28, 2018, 09:46:04 am
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I'm putting abortion in Theology because I don't want to argue politics and parties but the ethics, morality etc. and the problem strikes at the core of our humanity. I believe life begins at conception and aborting at any time, no matter how early, is the same as murder.

As an anti-abortion, pro-child femininist, my argument against abortion is very simple: 

Abortion *intentionally* kills a developing, unborn baby.
Very true and I feel that we need to be vocal and put out the truth as much as possible. People and women in particular have been duped by "society" into thinking they NEED that choice and that freedom to rid themselves, flush their bodies of an unwanted child, a human being with life.

I've never done my part in this travesty called Choice that is murder to be sure. In all that I post covering a wide range of subjects I have always said that even if I only reach one person and lead one person to change, to think and to act and most importantly to be led to Christ, then I have accomplished something, with God's help.
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on September 01, 2018, 03:01:41 am
Pro-abortion Feminists Lose Debates on Campus


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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: truthjourney on September 06, 2018, 11:04:48 pm
I'm pro-life pro-baby all the way. Abortion is evil.
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on September 22, 2018, 12:53:46 pm
21 Quotes by Margaret Sanger


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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: guest13 on September 22, 2018, 02:19:35 pm
I have no desire to change anyone's mind because I agree that abortion should not be an option.  I DO believe that the issue would be served better with so quality thought and discussion on how to solve the problem that doesn't include the KLS argument.

You know ... encouragement and support.
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on September 26, 2018, 01:35:44 pm
VERY REVEALING Margaret Sanger Interview MUST SEE ! PLANNED PARENTHOOD



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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on October 04, 2018, 06:48:17 pm
Abortion: When Does Life Begin?


Pivotal to the Roe versus Wade decision was the question of whether a fetus is a real person who possesses certain inalienable rights that are protected under the U. S. Constitution. Since that decision made more than 45 years ago, over 50 million fetuses have not enjoyed those rights. What qualifies you to be human? Who gives you the right to call yourself a living human person? God? The Church? Or should it be the state?

This video is the third in a series of messages by R.C. Sproul on abortion. See other videos in the series:
-//https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...

30 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgpTIDdONk





Abortion: How Sacred Is Human Life?


Emanuel Kant said that the sacredness of life was self-evident. The framers of the Declaration of Independence shared his conviction as they wrote, “We hold these truths to be self-evident …” Now, things that are self-evident theoretically need no explanation, but we find ourselves in a day where “these truths” are being contested. Terms such as “actual” life and “potential” life are used to draw lines between those who are protected by law and those who are not.

This video is the second in a series of messages by R.C. Sproul on abortion. See other videos in the series:
-//https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...

30 minutes
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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: Scripter on October 21, 2018, 09:34:28 am
re Sanger,
be sure to see the seen in the Irish series LILLIES where the progressives are promoting abortion and vegetarianism etc.  I can't remember the exact line but they came down on the side of Germany biologists.  They believed it was worse to eat pork than to fight Germans in WW1...

The above was an aside.

What I meant to post here was this rather 'ultimate' test of historical poignancy knowledge.  It is that in the book HOW SHOULD WE THEN LIVE?  Dr. Schaeffer reported that it was the generation of West Germans following the Nazi era who appealed to the US Supreme court etc during Roe V Wade not to permit abortion.

Let that sink in--the reaction of a generation to its previous one, etc.   
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on November 26, 2018, 12:14:58 am
‘Heartbeat’ abortion bill passes Ohio House

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ohio-lawmakers-vote-heartbeat-abortion-bill-today/CclNdMcQfRE2aPFG0Vs1iM/

Issue now moves to Ohio Senate


COLUMBUS —
After more than an hour of heated debate, a controversial abortion ban that Gov. John Kasich vetoed two years ago passed the Ohio House on Thursday 60-35 and now heads to the Senate where its fate is unclear.

The ‘heartbeat bill’ would prohibit abortions once a fetal heartbeat can be detected, which is as early as six weeks into a pregnancy.

“This bill basically says if there is a heartbeat you cannot abort. If there is a heartbeat, there is life…there is no debating that,” said state Rep. Ron Hood, R-Ashville, a primary sponsor. “We can finally save these babies from being slaughtered before they’re even born.”

Related: Kasich vetoes ‘heartbeat bill,’ signs 20-week abortion ban

“Abortion is an assault on the family. Abortion is an assault on Ohio because it destroys the hearts and minds of women,” said state Rep. Candice Keller, R-Middletown. She said the bill would help save 20,000 babies each year in Ohio.

State Rep. Nickie Antonio, D-Lakewood, said Ohio’s 11 million residents are divided on the issue of abortion. “None of us can know the experiences of all the people of this state.”


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She noted that the bill doesn’t include exemptions for women who are victims of rape, incest or domestic violence. “This is not an easy decision but it should be a survivor’s decision to make,” Antonio said.


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“We all have a beating heart,” said state Rep. Christina Hagan, R-Marlboro Twp., co-sponsor, while holding her twin infants on the House floor. She later added that she doesn’t think the “act of the father” shouldn’t cause the termination of a child.

State Rep. Catherine Ingram, D-Cincinnati, said the decision to terminate a pregnancy is up to the woman and she’ll be judged by God in the after life. She also argued that the ban would bring back dangerous illegal abortions. “I’m old enough to remember hangars, liquids, shotgun pellets,” she said.

The bill is strongly opposed by many Democrats and reproductive rights groups such as Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice. The Ohio Right to Life is neutral on the measure. It still has to win approval from the Ohio Senate before the two-year legislative session ends in late December.

Kasich has signed into law at least 18 abortion restrictions during his eight year tenure as governor. The heartbeat bill is the only abortion restriction he has vetoed.

Miami Valley area lawmakers voting in favor of the heartbeat ban bill were Republicans: Niraj Antani, John Becker, Tom Brinkman, Jim Butler, Keith Faber, Mike Henne, Steve Huffman, Candice Keller, Kyle Koehler, George Lang, Scott Lipps, Rick Perales, Wes Retherford, Todd Smith, Nino Vitale and Paul Zeltwanger. Opposed was House Minority Leader Fred Strahorn, D-Dayton.

Related: Ohio a key battleground in abortion fight

Last year, there were 20,893 induced abortions in Ohio, a 1-percent increase over 2016, according to a report from the Ohio Department of Health. Of those, 11,784 were performed at nine weeks or less of gestation, 6,084 at between nine and 12 weeks, 2,935 at 13 to 20 weeks and 90 at 21 weeks or more, the report showed.

State Rep. Michele Lepore-Hagan, D-Youngstown, offered an amendment that would mandate comprehensive sex education in Ohio’s K-12 schools as a means of reducing unintended preganancies but that idea was tabled on a 62-31 vote.

Ohio Right to Life lobbyist Jessica Warner said the anti-abortion group is pushing for passage of two other restrictions: Senate Bill 28 would require burial or cremation of fetal remains and Senate Bill 145 would outlaw a common surgical procedure used for second trimester abortions.

SB 145 passed the Senate 24-9 in June, less than six weeks after its introduction, and is now pending in the House Criminal Justice Committee. It would make it a fourth degree felony for doctors to perform abortions using dilation and extraction, unless the woman’s life or irreversible bodily harm were at stake. It makes no exception for rape or incest.

The bill’s primary sponsor is state Sen. Steve Wilson, R-Maineville.

SB28 passed the Senate 23-9 in January and is awaiting a House floor vote. If it becomes law, burial or cremation would be required for aborted fetal remains, including zygotes and blastocysts — the earliest stages of development.




Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on December 28, 2018, 11:37:54 am
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https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/december/heartbeat-six-week-abortion-ban-ohio-john-kasich-nrlc-veto.html


Heartbeat Bills Used to Divide Pro-Lifers. Here’s Why That’s Changing.


Even the “most restrictive” abortion laws—like one vetoed this week in Ohio—may now have a place in incrementalist strategy.

 
Two years ago, Ohio Governor John Kasich had the support of the state’s biggest pro-life group when he vetoed a bill to ban abortion after about six weeks, once an unborn baby’s heartbeat is detectable.

Last week, the pro-life politician again vetoed a state “heartbeat bill”—only this time Ohio Right to Life (ORTL) took a different stance.

The organization wanted to see the state legislature override his decision. Though lawmakers failed to do so yesterday, ORTL plans to lobby his successor to sign the ban, considered the most restrictive abortion policy in the country, into law.

What changed over the past few years to prompt their new stance? In short, the Supreme Court.

For years, the pro-life movement has taken on different tactics toward a shared goal of eliminating abortion. ORTL adopted a “strategic incremental approach,” at times supporting more feasible abortion regulations—such as the ban on abortions after 20 weeks Kasich signed in 2016, or the ban on “dismemberment abortions” he signed this year—over more restrictive legislation that risked being turned down in the courts.

Kasich defended his veto with nearly identical wording last week as he did two years prior. “As governor I have worked hard to strengthen Ohio’s protections for the sanctity of human life, and I have a deep respect for my fellow members of the pro-life community and their ongoing efforts in defense of unborn life,” the outgoing Republican stated.

But the ban runs “contrary to the Supreme Court of the United States’ current rulings on abortion,” he said, referring to Roe v. Wade, which allows for the abortion of any child not viable outside the womb.

Back in 2016, ORTL president Mike Gonidakis agreed with Kasich’s assessment of the potential legal challenges, saying:

Given the current makeup of the United States Supreme Court, Governor Kasich got it right by embracing the strategic incremental approach to ending abortion. The current pro-abortion Supreme Court was given the opportunity on two occasions in 2016 to address heartbeat legislation, and both times refused to hear the case allowing the lower court’s ruling to stand. Both of those states’ heartbeat laws have been ruled unconstitutional, never took effect, and saved not one unborn life.

But this year, the organization was quick to point out that the bench is different now. “As we look forward, Ohio Right to Life believes that it is now time to embrace the heartbeat bill as the next incremental approach to end abortion in Ohio,” said Marshal Pitchford, chairman of the ORTL board of trustees.

After years of taking a neutral stance on the policy, “we are now prepared to support our partners in Ohio’s pro-life movement to enact the heartbeat bill,” he said on Thursday. “With the additions of Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the US Supreme Court we believe this is the most pro-life court we have seen in generations. Now is the time to pursue this approach.”

The strategic shift by ORTL, the state chapter of America’s largest and oldest pro-life group, the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC), aligns them with fellow pro-life voices that argued for heartbeat bills on principle even when the court makeup was less favorable.

One of the most vocal critics of Kasich’s earlier veto was James Dobson, president of Family Talk and founder of Focus on the Family.

“This was a cowardly and shameful action,” Dobson said in 2016. “[T]here is a growing movement to finally reject the barbarism of abortion and to fully protect the rights of the unborn. This bill was an important step in that direction, and we mustn't be silent in response to the governor's action.”

However, some abortion-rights advocates did agree—though not happily—with ORTL at the time.

The 20-week-ban “may actually be a bigger threat to the pro-choice movement—a ban on abortion after 20 weeks, with no exceptions for rape, incest, or fetal anomaly, and only very limited exceptions for a woman’s health,” wrote Emily Crockett for Vox.

“Even if Kasich has let the six-week ban become law, it would have had no chance of surviving the inevitable, immediate court challenge that would follow,” she wrote. “But the 20-week ban might survive in court, and could eventually be taken up by the Supreme Court. And if it did, it would directly challenge Roe v. Wade.”

With its “fetal pain” law, Ohio joined 12 other states that have banned abortion after 20 weeks—technically, a few weeks before the viability deadline. The laws lean on the idea that unborn children are capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. This week, it became the 10th state to ban abortion through a procedure known as dilation and evacuation or “D&E.”

No state has successfully implemented a ban as early as Ohio’s heartbeat law, which would be the most restrictive abortion policy in the country if adopted by the next administration.

The incremental approach to stopping abortion has been effective—231 abortion restrictions were enacted in 27 states from 2011 to 2014, according to the Guttmacher Institute. The abortion rate in the United States is now the lowest since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973. Last month, the Centers for Disease Control reported that abortions fell 24 percent from 2006 to 2015.

Pro-lifers on various levels have disagreed over whether to continue relying on incrementalism or to take stronger moral stands on abortion regulations. When the pro-life “born alive” bill—protecting babies who survive abortion attempts—passed in the US House of Representatives a year ago, some advocates were disappointed the legislature hadn’t taken up a less popular national heartbeat bill.

The Christian group Operation Rescue had blamed NRLC for supporting the born-alive bill over the heartbeat bill, calling it “the one obstacle standing in the way of protecting nearly a million children” and “no greater betrayal of innocent blood since Judas.”

“It is not true that National Right to Life has blocked congressional consideration of the heartbeat bill. Nor is it true to say that National Right to Life lobbied congressional leadership against the heartbeat bill,” said Carol Tobias, NRLC president. “National Right to Life does not oppose the heartbeat bill. Divisiveness and attacks on fellow pro-lifers does not save babies.”

Tobias previously praised the US House of Representatives for passing the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act in 2013. Meanwhile the flagship pro-life group, which counts more than 3,000 chapters in all 50 states, jettisoned Georgia Right to Life for encouraging state senators to vote against the bill because it contained exceptions allowing later abortions in dire circumstances.

Some, including CT, argue that instead of contested medical findings, resistance to abortion should be based on the inherent dignity of the personhood of the child.

“If we have any historical memory, we know science is a fickle handmaiden,” wrote former CT managing editor Katelyn Beaty.

“We don't wish this to be true, but research may soon confirm that unborn babies can't experience pain until much later in development. Meanwhile, abortion providers could find ways to perform ‘pain-free’ abortions. Of course, in these cases we would still vehemently oppose the abortion, because we believe it takes a life, not just a life that feels pain.”

Similarly, as CT reported earlier this year, some doctors challenge the existence of a heartbeat as a measure of viability for the pregnancy.

Following the Ohio legislature’s failure to override Kasich’s veto, “Ohio Right to Life is prepared to support the current pro-life organizations working tirelessly to pass the heartbeat bill during the next General Assembly in 2019,” the group stated.

“We will partner with Greater Toledo Right to Life, Cleveland Right to Life, Right to Life of Greater Cincinnati and others to get the heartbeat bill to Governor-elect Mike DeWine’s desk. We make this public commitment today.”


Additional reporting by Kate Shellnutt.


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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on January 31, 2019, 07:34:30 am
Fallen Angels Taught Abortion (It's Demonic, Pagan, and Luciferian)


Fallen Angels Taught Abortion (It's Demonic, Pagan, and Luciferian)
New York Abortion Law


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Title: Re: Abortion Is Wrong - Change My Mind
Post by: truthjourney on January 31, 2019, 11:57:13 am
I’m Pro-Life | Change My Mind


Change My Mind: Abortion.

In a new segment called "Change My Mind", Steven Crowder takes to the streets to have real conversations with everyday people on hot button issues.


https://youtu.be/OCSZYJywQPM
I was watching one of his I'm Pro Life Change My Mind videos and this woman actually said that unborn babies are parasites. I think that's probably the worst thing I've ever heard someone say about an unborn baby.

Whereas scripture says: Psalm 139:13-16 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

Psalm 127:3 Behold, children are a gift of the LORD, The fruit of the womb is a reward.
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: truthjourney on January 31, 2019, 12:15:54 pm
Fallen Angels Taught Abortion (It's Demonic, Pagan, and Luciferian)


Fallen Angels Taught Abortion (It's Demonic, Pagan, and Luciferian)
New York Abortion Law


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The Luciferians/Satanists want to influence and change the way people view abortions to be more in line with the way they think and what they practice when it comes to unborn babies and even babies at full term and unfortunately they are succeeding in doing that. People who support abortions really need to educate themselves about this because I don't think they would want to align themselves with Luciferians/Satanists. But that's what they're doing although they would deny that.
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on February 03, 2019, 03:49:06 am
REBUTTAL: The Left's EVIL Infanticide Agenda! | Louder With Crowder


Steven thoroughly dissects the Democrats' evil push for abortion and infanticide. Brace yourselves for the truth.


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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: Bladerunner on February 04, 2019, 07:45:16 pm
REBUTTAL: The Left's EVIL Infanticide Agenda! | Louder With Crowder


Steven thoroughly dissects the Democrats' evil push for abortion and infanticide. Brace yourselves for the truth.


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Everything just got worse....Now in at least two cities, one can deliver the Baby and then decide if you need to keep it even if it does not have problems. They can abort the baby and the mother is dilated. 

SO SAD.....

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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on February 07, 2019, 05:46:41 am
Ashton Kutcher’s Pro-Life Post Gets 6 MILLION VIEWS In Response To NY Abortion Law


Frank Stevens, a man with Downs Syndrome speaks to Congress - Very Touching

7 minutes
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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on March 07, 2019, 08:56:31 am
I'm Pro-Life (3rd Edition) | Change My Mind


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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on March 19, 2019, 12:26:25 am
I'm Pro-Life (4th Edition) | Change My Mind


Steven Crowder visits a college campus to have real conversations with everyday people on hot-button issues. In this installment, he addresses the ever-controversial topic of abortion.



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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
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New HHS Rule Protects Pro-Life Health Care Workers





UPDATE: Under Trump, federal policy keeps shifting away from abortion rights in favor of religious conscience protections.

 
Update (May 2): A year after establishing a new division to safeguard health care workers’ freedom of religion and freedom of conscience, the Trump Administration has formalized protections for those who decline to participate in certain medical treatments like abortion, sterilization, or assisted suicide due to their faith or moral convictions.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) proposed the new rule last January (see below) and issued a final version in a 440-page document on Thursday. The policy is meant to provide stronger protections and more guidance around enforcing conscience protections passed by Congress, according to HHS.

“This rule ensures that healthcare entities and professionals won’t be bullied out of the health care field because they decline to participate in actions that violate their conscience, including the taking of human life,” said Roger Severino, director of the HHS Office of Civil Rights and former legal council with the religious liberty group Becket Fund. “Protecting conscience and religious freedom not only fosters greater diversity in healthcare, it’s the law.”

This updated policy represents a major religious freedom victory, particularly for pro-life evangelicals who fear being forced to violate their conscience on the issue of abortion.

In a Barna Group survey released last month, the issue of “religious hospitals being required to perform abortions and other services they deem to violate their religious convictions” was US faith leaders’ top religious freedom concern (71% deeming it a “major or extreme” threat). A majority also worried about “religious organizations being required to provide healthcare options they object to” (64%) and “religious owners of businesses being required to provide healthcare options they object to” (61%).

-----

Original post (“New HHS Division Defends Pro-Life Health Care Workers,” January 18, 2018): Ahead of Friday’s annual March for Life, pro-life Christians celebrated new federal protections for health care workers who decline to administer procedures such as abortion, sterilization, or euthanasia on religious or moral grounds.

The Trump administration announced a new division of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) dedicated to hearing complaints from those who face discrimination for refusal to accommodate services that violate their beliefs.

The new Conscience and Religious Freedom Division of the existing Office of Civil Rights (OCR) enforces existing laws designed to protect conscience rights, including new provisions under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that specifically allow providers and insurers to decline abortions and assisted suicide.

Thursday’s announcement continues the administration’s efforts to beef up federal protections for religious liberty, as President Trump laid out in a May 2017 executive order. In contrast, the Obama administration had rescinded conscience protections for health care workers, despite pushback from religious leaders.

“President Trump promised the American people that his administration would vigorously uphold the rights of conscience and religious freedom,” said acting HHS secretary Eric Hargan. “That promise is being kept today. The Founding Fathers knew that a nation that respects conscience rights is more diverse and more free, and OCR’s new division will help make that vision a reality.”

Evangelicals fighting for religious liberty have tried to resist efforts to confine expressions of faith to within church walls, and have pushed for greater protections for their beliefs in the workplace and public life—particularly when it comes to increasingly unpopular ones around LGBT and life issues.

“It’s not the ability to have a religion and practice it in your house of worship; it’s the ability to have a faith and practice your faith wherever you are,” said Sen. James Lankford, a Baptist from Oklahoma who introduced a 2017 bill defending conscience protections.

“There is a long tradition of providing this protection—especially in the abortion context—and that tradition was, until very recently, a bipartisan one,” according to Richard W. Garnett, professor at Notre Dame Law School.

“To me, there should be nothing particularly surprising or troubling about an administration—this one or any other—deciding that the civil rights [office] should allocate resources to make those protections meaningful.”

OCR is already tasked with enforcing several nondiscrimination and conscience protection statutes, including the Church, Coats-Snowe, and Weldon amendments. But the new division indicates that such cases will take greater priority under Trump.

“Unlike the administration’s useless gestures around the Johnson Amendment, these regulations signal meaningful enforcement of existing protections for religious liberty,” said John Inazu, a law professor at Washington University and a First Amendment expert.

“But it’s important to remember that this emphasis is merely executive branch policy that can—and in all likelihood, will—be narrowed or reversed by a subsequent administration.”

Already, the conscience division has drawn criticism from civil groups concerned that the protections will be used as a license to discriminate, particularly against gay or transgender patients, as well as from abortion rights groups.

Everett Piper—the president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University, which sued the federal government over the ACA birth control mandate—and Montse Alvarado—executive director of Becket, a leading religious liberty law firm which represented the Little Sisters of the Poor in their contraceptive fight—spoke at the HHS announcement and applauded the new office, as did Jewish and Muslim representatives.

“I just want to say how good it is to be here thanking [HHS and OCR] rather than suing them,” Piper quipped.

Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, also applauded the move.

“I am thankful that HHS recognizes how imperiled conscience rights have been in recent years in this arena, and is actively working and leading to turn the tide in the other direction,” he said in a statement. “Health care professionals should be freed up to care for the bodies and minds of their patients, not tied up by having their own consciences bound.”

In recent years, Christian pharmacists have fought in court for their right to decline to dispense emergency contraception. A 2015 case in Washington ruled against pharmacists who refused to carry the drugs; however, state law allows that “an individual pharmacist with religious objections may refuse to fill the prescription if another pharmacist working for the pharmacy does so.”

Prior to the new division, the Trump administration had appointed multiple pro-life advocates to positions of leadership within HHS, including former Americans United for Life president Charmaine Yoest and former National Right to Life lobbyist Teresa Manning, who reportedly stepped down last week.



















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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: Bladerunner on May 02, 2019, 07:56:44 pm
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https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/january/hhs-division-conscience-protections-prolife-abortion-trump.html





New HHS Rule Protects Pro-Life Health Care Workers





UPDATE: Under Trump, federal policy keeps shifting away from abortion rights in favor of religious conscience protections.

 
Update (May 2): A year after establishing a new division to safeguard health care workers’ freedom of religion and freedom of conscience, the Trump Administration has formalized protections for those who decline to participate in certain medical treatments like abortion, sterilization, or assisted suicide due to their faith or moral convictions.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) proposed the new rule last January (see below) and issued a final version in a 440-page document on Thursday. The policy is meant to provide stronger protections and more guidance around enforcing conscience protections passed by Congress, according to HHS.

“This rule ensures that healthcare entities and professionals won’t be bullied out of the health care field because they decline to participate in actions that violate their conscience, including the taking of human life,” said Roger Severino, director of the HHS Office of Civil Rights and former legal council with the religious liberty group Becket Fund. “Protecting conscience and religious freedom not only fosters greater diversity in healthcare, it’s the law.”

This updated policy represents a major religious freedom victory, particularly for pro-life evangelicals who fear being forced to violate their conscience on the issue of abortion.

In a Barna Group survey released last month, the issue of “religious hospitals being required to perform abortions and other services they deem to violate their religious convictions” was US faith leaders’ top religious freedom concern (71% deeming it a “major or extreme” threat). A majority also worried about “religious organizations being required to provide healthcare options they object to” (64%) and “religious owners of businesses being required to provide healthcare options they object to” (61%).

-----

Original post (“New HHS Division Defends Pro-Life Health Care Workers,” January 18, 2018): Ahead of Friday’s annual March for Life, pro-life Christians celebrated new federal protections for health care workers who decline to administer procedures such as abortion, sterilization, or euthanasia on religious or moral grounds.

The Trump administration announced a new division of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) dedicated to hearing complaints from those who face discrimination for refusal to accommodate services that violate their beliefs.

The new Conscience and Religious Freedom Division of the existing Office of Civil Rights (OCR) enforces existing laws designed to protect conscience rights, including new provisions under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that specifically allow providers and insurers to decline abortions and assisted suicide.

Thursday’s announcement continues the administration’s efforts to beef up federal protections for religious liberty, as President Trump laid out in a May 2017 executive order. In contrast, the Obama administration had rescinded conscience protections for health care workers, despite pushback from religious leaders.

“President Trump promised the American people that his administration would vigorously uphold the rights of conscience and religious freedom,” said acting HHS secretary Eric Hargan. “That promise is being kept today. The Founding Fathers knew that a nation that respects conscience rights is more diverse and more free, and OCR’s new division will help make that vision a reality.”

Evangelicals fighting for religious liberty have tried to resist efforts to confine expressions of faith to within church walls, and have pushed for greater protections for their beliefs in the workplace and public life—particularly when it comes to increasingly unpopular ones around LGBT and life issues.

“It’s not the ability to have a religion and practice it in your house of worship; it’s the ability to have a faith and practice your faith wherever you are,” said Sen. James Lankford, a Baptist from Oklahoma who introduced a 2017 bill defending conscience protections.

“There is a long tradition of providing this protection—especially in the abortion context—and that tradition was, until very recently, a bipartisan one,” according to Richard W. Garnett, professor at Notre Dame Law School.

“To me, there should be nothing particularly surprising or troubling about an administration—this one or any other—deciding that the civil rights [office] should allocate resources to make those protections meaningful.”

OCR is already tasked with enforcing several nondiscrimination and conscience protection statutes, including the Church, Coats-Snowe, and Weldon amendments. But the new division indicates that such cases will take greater priority under Trump.

“Unlike the administration’s useless gestures around the Johnson Amendment, these regulations signal meaningful enforcement of existing protections for religious liberty,” said John Inazu, a law professor at Washington University and a First Amendment expert.

“But it’s important to remember that this emphasis is merely executive branch policy that can—and in all likelihood, will—be narrowed or reversed by a subsequent administration.”

Already, the conscience division has drawn criticism from civil groups concerned that the protections will be used as a license to discriminate, particularly against gay or transgender patients, as well as from abortion rights groups.

Everett Piper—the president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University, which sued the federal government over the ACA birth control mandate—and Montse Alvarado—executive director of Becket, a leading religious liberty law firm which represented the Little Sisters of the Poor in their contraceptive fight—spoke at the HHS announcement and applauded the new office, as did Jewish and Muslim representatives.

“I just want to say how good it is to be here thanking [HHS and OCR] rather than suing them,” Piper quipped.

Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, also applauded the move.

“I am thankful that HHS recognizes how imperiled conscience rights have been in recent years in this arena, and is actively working and leading to turn the tide in the other direction,” he said in a statement. “Health care professionals should be freed up to care for the bodies and minds of their patients, not tied up by having their own consciences bound.”

In recent years, Christian pharmacists have fought in court for their right to decline to dispense emergency contraception. A 2015 case in Washington ruled against pharmacists who refused to carry the drugs; however, state law allows that “an individual pharmacist with religious objections may refuse to fill the prescription if another pharmacist working for the pharmacy does so.”

Prior to the new division, the Trump administration had appointed multiple pro-life advocates to positions of leadership within HHS, including former Americans United for Life president Charmaine Yoest and former National Right to Life lobbyist Teresa Manning, who reportedly stepped down last week.



















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These protections will go away soon.

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Post by: patrick jane on May 18, 2019, 02:36:52 pm
Missouri House approves 8-week abortion ban, sending it to governor’s desk



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/missouri-house-approves-8-week-abortion-ban-sending-it-to-governors-desk



The Missouri House on Friday approved a restrictive abortion bill that would ban abortions after the eighth week of pregnancy -- one of a slew of similar bills in red states that have sparked a heated national debate on abortion rights.

The bill was passed by the Senate on Thursday, and now with approval from the House goes to Republican Gov. Mike Parson, who is expected to sign it.

GEORGIA GOV. BRIAN KEMP SIGNS CONTROVERSIAL 'HEARTBEAT' BILL INTO LAW

The legislation would make Missouri one of the most restrictive states in the country for abortions. The bill includes exceptions for medical emergencies, but not for rape and incest. It also bans abortions based solely on race, sex or a diagnosis of potential Down Syndrome.

While women who have an abortion would not be prosecuted under the legislation, doctors could face as much as 15 years in prison for performing an abortion at eight weeks and beyond. Democrats opposed to the bill attacked the legislation in blistering terms.

"Laundry, bleach, acid bitter, concoction, knitting needles, bicycle spokes, ballpoint pens, jumping from the top of the stairs or the roof," Democratic Rep. Sarah Unsicker said. "These are ways that women around the world who don't have access to legal abortions perform their own."

The bill’s passage in the House comes after Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey signed a law Wednesday that would outlaw almost all abortions, making performing one punishable by up to 99 years in prison unless the mother’s health is at risk. That law, too, did not grant exemptions in cases of rape or incest.


"This legislation stands as a powerful testament to Alabamians’ deeply held belief that every life is precious and that every life is a sacred gift from God," Ivey said in a statement.

In Georgia, Gov. Brian Kemp this month signed a “heartbeat” bill into law that prohibits abortions in the state after a heartbeat is detected, as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. That bill does allow exceptions in case of rape, incest and if the life of the mother is in danger.

ALABAMA GOVERNOR SIGNS RESTRICTIVE ABORTION BILL INTO LAW AS ACLU VOWS TO SUE

"Georgia is a state that values life," Kemp said before putting his signature to the LIFE Act. "We stand up for those who are unable to speak for themselves."

The bills mark the latest shots in a looming fight over the legacy of Roe v Wade. The Alabama bill was written in part to reignite the battle over the controversial 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion across the country. Ivey noted that the bill is unenforceable because of Roe v. Wade and won’t come into force unless it is overturned.

Kentucky, Mississippi and Ohio have also approved abortion bans once a heartbeat can be detected. Laws in North Dakota and Iowa have been struck down by the courts. Some conservatives hope that, with the Supreme Court having shifted to the right in light of the recent appointments of Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, there is now a chance the court will revisit Roe and overturn it.

But GOP Rep. Nick Schroer said the Missouri bill is "made to withstand judicial challenges and not cause them."

"While others are zeroing in on ways to overturn Roe v. Wade and navigate the courts as quickly as possible, that is not our goal," Schroer said. "However, if and when that fight comes we will be fully ready. This legislation has one goal, and that goal is to save lives."

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Planned Parenthood Action Fund President Leana Wen on Thursday accused Gov. Parson of riding the "disgraceful coattails of 25 white men in Alabama who just voted to ban safe, legal abortion.”

If the courts don’t allow Missouri’s legislation to take effect, it includes a series of less-restrictive time limits (14, 18 and 20 weeks) that may be more likely to win favor with the courts.





Fox News' Caleb Parke, Vandana Rambaran and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


















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Post by: patrick jane on May 18, 2019, 04:56:31 pm
TOP 5 Alabama Abortion Lies Debunked! | Louder with Crowder


Steven Crowder debunks the top five liberal lies about the Alabama abortion ban. Prepare for truth.


15 minutes
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Post by: Bladerunner on May 19, 2019, 09:30:10 pm
TOP 5 Alabama Abortion Lies Debunked! | Louder with Crowder


Steven Crowder debunks the top five liberal lies about the Alabama abortion ban. Prepare for truth.


15 minutes
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Missouri also has a new set of laws like Alabama that   will bring about change.

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Post by: patrick jane on May 20, 2019, 05:38:07 am
TOP 5 Alabama Abortion Lies Debunked! | Louder with Crowder


Steven Crowder debunks the top five liberal lies about the Alabama abortion ban. Prepare for truth.


15 minutes
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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on May 24, 2019, 10:57:09 am
Tucker: Democrats go from pro-choice to pro-abortion


Democrats back abortion at any stage of pregnancy


5 minutes
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Post by: patrick jane on August 19, 2019, 04:47:38 pm
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Planned Parenthood Drops Title X Funding Over Abortion



UPDATE: Trump administration upholds Title X funding cuts for abortion providers.

 
Update (August 19): After a court of appeals ruled in favor a Trump administration policy barring federal funding for clinics that offer abortion referrals, Planned Parenthood announced on Monday it will withdraw from a government program that offers low-income women reproductive healthcare.

Title X currently provides 1.5 million women with contraception, pregnancy tests, and STD screenings. It does not fund abortions.

“The news that [Planned Parenthood is] refusing to accept taxpayer funds to target vulnerable women is a good thing for women's health,” said Catherine Glenn Foster, president and CEO of Americans United for Life in a statement. “...Women who need true healthcare will have their needs met by authentic and eager healthcare providers across America."

While policy previously restricted the federal government from covering abortion costs, the new rules go even further in not allowing the funds to go to any clinic that also makes abortion referrals.

Planned Parenthood and other pro-choice groups have spent months in a legal battle against the tighter rules. In a tweet, Planned Parenthood wrote that it serves 40 percent of patients in the Title X program.

Since Trump’s inauguration, the Department of Health and Human Services has once again enabled states to withhold federal family planning funds from Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers and rescinded an Obama administration memo warning states against blocking Medicaid funding for providers that offered abortion.

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Pro-life evangelicals are celebrating another move by the Trump administration to cut federal funding for abortion.

According to reports, the White House is expected to announce new regulations prohibiting Planned Parenthood and other entities that make abortion referrals from receiving grant money through Title X, the government’s quarter-billion-dollar family planning program.

Already, Title X funds cannot be used for abortion itself. But Planned Parenthood still receives more than $50 million every year to cover birth control and other services for low-income and uninsured patients. Under the new policy, clinics could not accept the money at all if they perform or recommend abortions.

Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, called the proposal “a responsible and commendable step toward our goal of totally separating taxpayer funds from Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry.”

The Title X program—which now supports about 4 million patients and 4,000 providers—dates back to 1970. Previously, President Ronald Reagan had put a similar rule in place to restrict the funds from being used to back abortion. The Trump administration’s restriction, drafted by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), is currently being reviewed by the White House budget office, NPR reported.

“President Trump has shown decisive leadership, delivering on a key promise to pro-life voters who worked so hard to elect him,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List, which will host the president at its annual gala in Washington next week.

Trump has moved to restrict federal government funding for abortion since taking office by pushing back the policies put in place by his predecessor—following up on campaign promises to pro-lifers and answering many Christians’ prayers.

A majority of Americans—60 percent—oppose the use of taxpayer dollars to fund abortion, according to a Marist Poll conducted in January.

“I’m grateful that my tax dollars will not fund Planned Parenthood, thanks to the Trump administration, to Vice President Mike Pence, to Kellyanne Conway, and to the many pro-lifers in the Department of Health and Human Services who have worked tirelessly to fulfill their campaign promise, a promise made to the pro-life movement for the past decade,” said Abby Johnson, president of And Then There Were None, a ministry for former abortion clinic staff.

In January, the Trump administration rescinded an Obama administration memo warning states against blocking Medicaid funding for abortion providers. Last year, it reversed an earlier policy barring states from withholding Title X funds for abortion clinics. Trump also reinstated a ban on federal funding for organizations performing abortions abroad.

After the administration freed states to set their own regulations for clinic funding, more than a dozen have moved to defund Planned Parenthood either through diverting federal Medicaid or Title X funding or cutting off state funding to abortion providers. Nebraska and Tennessee were among the most recent states to do so, approving new restrictions just last month.

Some of these state-level efforts have been challenged in court; for example, a federal appeals court ruled last month against Ohio’s policy blocking federal funding from Planned Parenthood was unconstitutional. Last year, a court ruling favored Arkansas’s decision to end Medicaid funding for its two Planned Parenthood affiliates. The governor of South Carolina also directed its state agencies to cut off funding for abortion clinics.

“We thank President Trump for the numerous actions his administration has taken to restore pro-life policies,” said National Right to Life President Carol Tobias. “We are encouraged to see the announcement of Title X regulations that are back in line with previous policy that prevents federal dollars from being used to directly or indirectly promote abortion domestically.”

Christianity Today previously reported how the Trump administration has turned HHS from a pro-life antagonist to an advocate, including adopting new protections for health care workers who refuse to perform abortions.

Planned Parenthood and other pro-choice advocates are expected to counter the latest pro-life policy shift in court, as they’ve done for previous changes, according to Politico. Opponents to the rule say it amounts to a “gag order,” keeping doctors from referring patients to abortion providers even though abortion remains a legal, FDA-approved option.




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Post by: Bladerunner on August 22, 2019, 09:43:08 pm
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Planned Parenthood Drops Title X Funding Over Abortion



UPDATE: Trump administration upholds Title X funding cuts for abortion providers.

 
Update (August 19): After a court of appeals ruled in favor a Trump administration policy barring federal funding for clinics that offer abortion referrals, Planned Parenthood announced on Monday it will withdraw from a government program that offers low-income women reproductive healthcare.

Title X currently provides 1.5 million women with contraception, pregnancy tests, and STD screenings. It does not fund abortions.

“The news that [Planned Parenthood is] refusing to accept taxpayer funds to target vulnerable women is a good thing for women's health,” said Catherine Glenn Foster, president and CEO of Americans United for Life in a statement. “...Women who need true healthcare will have their needs met by authentic and eager healthcare providers across America."

While policy previously restricted the federal government from covering abortion costs, the new rules go even further in not allowing the funds to go to any clinic that also makes abortion referrals.

Planned Parenthood and other pro-choice groups have spent months in a legal battle against the tighter rules. In a tweet, Planned Parenthood wrote that it serves 40 percent of patients in the Title X program.

Since Trump’s inauguration, the Department of Health and Human Services has once again enabled states to withhold federal family planning funds from Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers and rescinded an Obama administration memo warning states against blocking Medicaid funding for providers that offered abortion.

----

Pro-life evangelicals are celebrating another move by the Trump administration to cut federal funding for abortion.

According to reports, the White House is expected to announce new regulations prohibiting Planned Parenthood and other entities that make abortion referrals from receiving grant money through Title X, the government’s quarter-billion-dollar family planning program.

Already, Title X funds cannot be used for abortion itself. But Planned Parenthood still receives more than $50 million every year to cover birth control and other services for low-income and uninsured patients. Under the new policy, clinics could not accept the money at all if they perform or recommend abortions.

Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, called the proposal “a responsible and commendable step toward our goal of totally separating taxpayer funds from Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry.”

The Title X program—which now supports about 4 million patients and 4,000 providers—dates back to 1970. Previously, President Ronald Reagan had put a similar rule in place to restrict the funds from being used to back abortion. The Trump administration’s restriction, drafted by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), is currently being reviewed by the White House budget office, NPR reported.

“President Trump has shown decisive leadership, delivering on a key promise to pro-life voters who worked so hard to elect him,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List, which will host the president at its annual gala in Washington next week.

Trump has moved to restrict federal government funding for abortion since taking office by pushing back the policies put in place by his predecessor—following up on campaign promises to pro-lifers and answering many Christians’ prayers.

A majority of Americans—60 percent—oppose the use of taxpayer dollars to fund abortion, according to a Marist Poll conducted in January.

“I’m grateful that my tax dollars will not fund Planned Parenthood, thanks to the Trump administration, to Vice President Mike Pence, to Kellyanne Conway, and to the many pro-lifers in the Department of Health and Human Services who have worked tirelessly to fulfill their campaign promise, a promise made to the pro-life movement for the past decade,” said Abby Johnson, president of And Then There Were None, a ministry for former abortion clinic staff.

In January, the Trump administration rescinded an Obama administration memo warning states against blocking Medicaid funding for abortion providers. Last year, it reversed an earlier policy barring states from withholding Title X funds for abortion clinics. Trump also reinstated a ban on federal funding for organizations performing abortions abroad.

After the administration freed states to set their own regulations for clinic funding, more than a dozen have moved to defund Planned Parenthood either through diverting federal Medicaid or Title X funding or cutting off state funding to abortion providers. Nebraska and Tennessee were among the most recent states to do so, approving new restrictions just last month.

Some of these state-level efforts have been challenged in court; for example, a federal appeals court ruled last month against Ohio’s policy blocking federal funding from Planned Parenthood was unconstitutional. Last year, a court ruling favored Arkansas’s decision to end Medicaid funding for its two Planned Parenthood affiliates. The governor of South Carolina also directed its state agencies to cut off funding for abortion clinics.

“We thank President Trump for the numerous actions his administration has taken to restore pro-life policies,” said National Right to Life President Carol Tobias. “We are encouraged to see the announcement of Title X regulations that are back in line with previous policy that prevents federal dollars from being used to directly or indirectly promote abortion domestically.”

Christianity Today previously reported how the Trump administration has turned HHS from a pro-life antagonist to an advocate, including adopting new protections for health care workers who refuse to perform abortions.

Planned Parenthood and other pro-choice advocates are expected to counter the latest pro-life policy shift in court, as they’ve done for previous changes, according to Politico. Opponents to the rule say it amounts to a “gag order,” keeping doctors from referring patients to abortion providers even though abortion remains a legal, FDA-approved option.




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Murder in the 1st degree

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Post by: patrick jane on October 08, 2019, 03:51:24 am
Clandestine medical abortions reportedly on the rise in the US

While the number of in-clinic abortions in the United States is reportedly down, the sale of illicitly acquired abortion pills may be up, according to recent data from the pro-choice Guttmacher Institute.

According to data from Guttmacher, a total of 339,640 medication abortions occurred in 2017, making up about 39% of all abortions. But because of the “black market” abortion pills acquired online or otherwise surreptitiously, it is difficult to track exactly how many abortions are occurring this way. Researchers told the New York Times that they estimate that secret medical abortions are making up a growing and “irreversible” portion of abortions in the United States.
“This is happening,” said Jill E. Adams, executive director of If/When/How: Lawyering for Reproductive Justice, told the New York Times. “This is an irreversible part of abortion care here in the United States.”

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Post by: patrick jane on November 19, 2019, 10:55:07 am
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Planned Parenthood Wins $2.2M Suit Against Pro-Life Investigators




The jury said the pro-life activists who exposed the organization’s sale of fetal parts could not use journalism as a defense.


Pro-life advocates decried an award of more than $2.2 million to Planned Parenthood in a suit involving undercover investigations that provided evidence the country’s leading abortion provider traded in the sale of baby body parts.

A federal jury in San Francisco issued the penalties last Friday against the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) and, among others, two investigators who secretly recorded videos of Planned Parenthood executives discussing their sale of fetal parts, as well as their willingness to manipulate the abortion procedure to preserve organs for sale and use. David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt also clandestinely recorded conversations with officials of fetal tissue procurement businesses that worked with Planned Parenthood.

The jury agreed with Planned Parenthood that the defendants were guilty of fraud, trespassing, illegal recording, racketeering and breach of contract, according to The San Francisco Examiner. It awarded Planned Parenthood $870,000 in punitive damages, about $470,000 in compensatory damages and—under a federal anti-racketeering law—triple compensatory damages of more than $1.4 million, The Examiner reported. The total was $2.28 million.

“Regardless of what any court decides, the videos of Planned Parenthood speak for themselves,” said Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics andn Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC), in written comments for Baptist Press. “They reveal an organization whose profit structure is built on violence against women and their unborn children.

“Whatever questions some may have about the legality of the recordings, we should not forget what the recordings revealed: The cruelty, dishonesty and lawlessness of Planned Parenthood.”

The National Right to Life Committee called the judgment “chilling for anyone acting in good faith to reveal what they feel is criminal activity or behavior. This judgment is a miscarriage of justice and threatens [First Amendment] rights and investigative journalism.”

Planned Parenthood was “thrilled with today’s verdict,” said Alexis McGill Johnson, acting president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA). “The jury recognized today that those behind the campaign broke the law in order to advance their goals of banning safe, legal abortion” in the United States.

The legal organizations representing the pro-life investigators criticized the decision and said they would appeal.

“It is as though the jury completely disregarded every piece of evidence we produced,” said Alexandra Snyder, executive director of the Life Legal Defense Foundation. “Not only does Planned Parenthood engage in illegal and morally repugnant practices, but its agents never bothered to tell the defendants that the conversations about things like ‘crushing above and crushing below’ to get more desirable and salable body parts were confidential.”

Peter Breen, lawyer for the Thomas More Society, said the lawsuit “is payback for Daleiden exposing Planned Parenthood’s dirty business of buying and selling fetal parts and organs. His investigation into criminal activity by America’s largest abortion provider utilized standard investigative journalism techniques, those applied regularly by news outlets across the country.”

(Editor’s note: In the wake of the video clips, Planned Parenthood ended its practice of accepting payment for fetal tissue and parts, and CMP called the move an admission of guilt: “If the money Planned Parenthood has been receiving for baby body parts were truly legitimate ‘reimbursement,’ why cancel it?”)

Following the 2015 release of the first undercover videos, Daleiden, CMP’s founder, spoke at the inaugural Evangelicals for Life conference in January 2016 in Washington, D.C. The ERLC sponsors the event.

At the time, Daleiden explained his ethical approach to the clandestine operation: “I think that undercover work is fundamentally different from lying, because the purpose of undercover work is to serve the truth and to bring the truth to greater clarity and to communicate the truth more strongly.”

Federal Judge William Orrick, who presided over the trial, ruled journalism could not be a defense in the face of Planned Parenthood’s claims, thereby dealing a blow to the defendants’ arguments. Testimony during the six-week trial appeared to affirm statements made by Planned Parenthood officials and others on CMP’s secret videos.

Those undercover videos included evidence of the dissection of live babies outside the womb to remove organs.

Planned Parenthood centers performed more than 332,000 abortions nationwide during the most recent year for which statistics are available. PPFA and its affiliates received $563.8 million in government grants and reimbursements in its latest financial year.
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Planned Parenthood Wins $2.2M Suit Against Pro-Life Investigators




The jury said the pro-life activists who exposed the organization’s sale of fetal parts could not use journalism as a defense.


Pro-life advocates decried an award of more than $2.2 million to Planned Parenthood in a suit involving undercover investigations that provided evidence the country’s leading abortion provider traded in the sale of baby body parts.

A federal jury in San Francisco issued the penalties last Friday against the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) and, among others, two investigators who secretly recorded videos of Planned Parenthood executives discussing their sale of fetal parts, as well as their willingness to manipulate the abortion procedure to preserve organs for sale and use. David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt also clandestinely recorded conversations with officials of fetal tissue procurement businesses that worked with Planned Parenthood.

The jury agreed with Planned Parenthood that the defendants were guilty of fraud, trespassing, illegal recording, racketeering and breach of contract, according to The San Francisco Examiner. It awarded Planned Parenthood $870,000 in punitive damages, about $470,000 in compensatory damages and—under a federal anti-racketeering law—triple compensatory damages of more than $1.4 million, The Examiner reported. The total was $2.28 million.

“Regardless of what any court decides, the videos of Planned Parenthood speak for themselves,” said Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics andn Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC), in written comments for Baptist Press. “They reveal an organization whose profit structure is built on violence against women and their unborn children.

“Whatever questions some may have about the legality of the recordings, we should not forget what the recordings revealed: The cruelty, dishonesty and lawlessness of Planned Parenthood.”

The National Right to Life Committee called the judgment “chilling for anyone acting in good faith to reveal what they feel is criminal activity or behavior. This judgment is a miscarriage of justice and threatens [First Amendment] rights and investigative journalism.”

Planned Parenthood was “thrilled with today’s verdict,” said Alexis McGill Johnson, acting president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA). “The jury recognized today that those behind the campaign broke the law in order to advance their goals of banning safe, legal abortion” in the United States.

The legal organizations representing the pro-life investigators criticized the decision and said they would appeal.

“It is as though the jury completely disregarded every piece of evidence we produced,” said Alexandra Snyder, executive director of the Life Legal Defense Foundation. “Not only does Planned Parenthood engage in illegal and morally repugnant practices, but its agents never bothered to tell the defendants that the conversations about things like ‘crushing above and crushing below’ to get more desirable and salable body parts were confidential.”

Peter Breen, lawyer for the Thomas More Society, said the lawsuit “is payback for Daleiden exposing Planned Parenthood’s dirty business of buying and selling fetal parts and organs. His investigation into criminal activity by America’s largest abortion provider utilized standard investigative journalism techniques, those applied regularly by news outlets across the country.”

(Editor’s note: In the wake of the video clips, Planned Parenthood ended its practice of accepting payment for fetal tissue and parts, and CMP called the move an admission of guilt: “If the money Planned Parenthood has been receiving for baby body parts were truly legitimate ‘reimbursement,’ why cancel it?”)

Following the 2015 release of the first undercover videos, Daleiden, CMP’s founder, spoke at the inaugural Evangelicals for Life conference in January 2016 in Washington, D.C. The ERLC sponsors the event.

At the time, Daleiden explained his ethical approach to the clandestine operation: “I think that undercover work is fundamentally different from lying, because the purpose of undercover work is to serve the truth and to bring the truth to greater clarity and to communicate the truth more strongly.”

Federal Judge William Orrick, who presided over the trial, ruled journalism could not be a defense in the face of Planned Parenthood’s claims, thereby dealing a blow to the defendants’ arguments. Testimony during the six-week trial appeared to affirm statements made by Planned Parenthood officials and others on CMP’s secret videos.

Those undercover videos included evidence of the dissection of live babies outside the womb to remove organs.

Planned Parenthood centers performed more than 332,000 abortions nationwide during the most recent year for which statistics are available. PPFA and its affiliates  a  $563.8 million in government grants and reimbursements in its latest financial year.[rte]
boy are they PPH in for a surprise.
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Post by: patrick jane on January 22, 2020, 12:24:07 pm
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Abortion Regret Isn’t a Myth, Despite New Study




What women may refuse to disclose to researchers at a clinic, they’re confessing in Bible studies decades later.


Pro-life advocates and ministry leaders are challenging the results of a new study that found that most women do not suffer emotionally after an abortion, and that over time, they are less likely to express regret.

Researchers from the University of California at San Francisco followed 667 women across 30 clinics after they received an elective abortion, finding that the majority had either positive feelings or no emotion at all toward their decision both a week later (71%) and five years later (84%), according to a study released last week in the journal Social Science & Medicine.

Corinne Rocca, one of the study’s authors and a professor at UC San Francisco, said that the study proves that the idea that woman will develop negative emotions after an abortion is a “myth” and a “red herring.” Rocca has also participated in multiple research studies and written several articles for the Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood.

While pro-choice advocates have used the findings to suggest that the idea of “abortion regret” is merely a scare tactic from pro-lifers, critics say the sample for the survey doesn’t justify the debunking its authors have touted in the media.

Writing for the National Review, researcher Michael J. New noted that women who volunteer to respond to questions following an abortion are more likely to be the ones who feel positively about it, and therefore the findings do not represent the full spectrum of women who have had abortions. New—a professor at the Catholic University of America and a scholar with the pro-life Charlotte Lozier Institute—noted that of all the women asked to participate, less than 40 percent agreed, and roughly 30 percent of the 667 who participated had stopped responding by the end of the five-year study.

Plus, Christians working in post-abortive ministry have seen abortion regret stir up in women long after the five-year span of the research.

“The majority of women we see are usually 15, 20, 30, 40 years removed,” said Carrie Bond, former national training director for Surrendering the Secret. Counselors and staff like Bond are particularly likely to encounter those who have grown to regret their abortions, or to discover that they had been holding back the emotional weight of the decision.

Abby Johnson, the former Planned Parenthood staffer who went on to become a pro-life advocate, shared a similar observation on Twitter: “Here’s real talk. Trauma doesn’t usually present until 10-15 years post-traumatic event. Those women have NO idea how they will feel about their abortions many years later.”

Bond said most women are culturally conditioned to either hide their abortion or celebrate it. “Those are your two choices,” she said. “Be silent, or say ‘It hasn’t affected me!’” Some may not even realize that some of the negative symptoms they experience in the years following their abortion—nightmares, or an eating disorder, for example—may have been triggered by their experience.

Bond also questioned the researchers’ conclusion that the lack of emotion is positive. Far from a good thing, she said that can be actually evidence of trauma. One of the most common symptoms of post-abortion stress she sees in women is emotional numbness. One study conducted in the early nineties by pro-life researchers found that 92 percent of women experience some level of “emotional deadening” up to 10 years after their procedure. (That study surveyed 260 women who had actively sought post-abortion counseling.)

While post-abortive ministries, by their nature, are likely to draw in women who are experiencing regret and seeking a place for healing—their work is not miniscule. As Julie Roys wrote for CT in 2015:

In the past 20 years, abortion recovery groups have multiplied in churches nationwide. Surrendering the Secret has trained about 2,500 leaders in churches and crisis pregnancy centers. Another leading recovery ministry, Rachel’s Vineyard, hosts about 1,000 retreats annually in 48 states and 57 other countries. Yet, these statistics pale in comparison to the number of post-abortive women in the church (not to mention the men who carry regret over their wives’ or girlfriends’ abortions).

The Silent No More Campaign, a project of Priests for Life and Anglicans for Life, has hosted 6,469 women and men sharing their abortion testimonies. “I Regret My Abortion” is a slogan on its campaign protest signs.

Abortion rates have been falling for the past few years, reaching an “historic low” of 625,000 in 2016, the latest year data from the Centers for Disease Control are available. Statistically, 625,000 abortions means there were 12 abortions for every 1,000 women of child-bearing age in the US that year. That number may be higher, given that reporting abortion numbers to the CDC is voluntary for states. Still, it adds to a staggering total. Researchers from varying ideological backgrounds estimate roughly 60 million abortions have been performed in the United States since the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade in January 1973.

In the UCSF study, researchers approached possible participants at abortion clinic sites. But that potentially left out a subset of women: those who obtain medication abortions. In some states, women can get prescriptions for the abortion medication protocol via a video consultation with a doctor or nurse practitioner and never have to step foot into a clinic.

The Guttmacher Institute reports that medication abortions are on the rise, accounting for more than a third of all abortions recorded in 2017. The most commonly-used medication abortion protocol is only prescribed in the first trimester and includes two drugs: the first blocks the embryo from receiving vital progesterone. The second, taken 24 to 48 hours later, induces labor.

The medications are currently regulated by the Food and Drug Administration and in some states must be administered by a licensed doctor or other medical professional, but pro-choice groups are pushing against such regulations.

Chuck Donovan, president of the Charlotte Lozier Institute, worries that medication abortions have the potential to cause more trauma than an in-clinic procedure, as women may feel more responsibility over the abortion when they have to take the medication themselves. He also said a medication abortion presents the possibility that a woman will see her deceased baby after the medication runs its course.

Bond at Surrendering the Secret said she’s counseled many women who had that exact experience. She agrees the trauma from medication abortions may be even more acute than that experienced after a surgical procedure. “You’re not told the truth, and then left alone to suffer through the trauma: intense cramping, hemorrhaging, delivery of baby,” she said

The UCSF study also reported that 95 percent of the women they spoke to said they were confident that abortion was the right decision for them. But Bond said even women who express strong confidence at the time of their decision (or even shortly afterward) are still at great risk for post-abortion stress. Expressed confidence at the abortion clinic may in fact be denial, she said, and that could fade later.
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Ah you are correct...Abortion is Murder!

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Pro ALL Life: Why I Protest and Encourage You to Do So Too












I've marched for life like lots of evangelicals. I encourage you to march for black lives as well. Protests are part of who we are.


I’m convinced that Christians need to speak out and to protest at times. And the reality is, all Christians believe this about certain issues. For example, it does not seem controversial when we march for life. But it does seem controversial when we march for racial justice, and I think it’s worth exploring why.

Earlier this week, I marched in the Bronzeville neighborhood of Chicago to join thousands of others in a peaceful protest led by African American faith leaders.

Yesterday, my family and I participated in a lament walk in Wheaton. I tweeted at the time, "At the Wheaton lament walk with my family. Communities all over the country are coming together to mourn and work for justice. I’ve never seen a group like this in Wheaton. It’s encouraging." And I meant it.

Now, mind you, I am doing more than protesting—things like partnering churches together and giving to help impacted communities, but I’m also headed out again right now to be a part of a local protest.

I think protesting matters.

Let me explain.

Our Heritage

As Protestants, protest is a part of our faith heritage. That’s part of why we are called Protestants.

Martin Luther protested abuses in the Catholic Church with his 95 Theses. When he was given a papal bull from Pope Leo X calling him to recant, Luther burned it in protest. He was called a heretic and worse, yet he stood on his convictions. Indeed, we draw Protestantism from those who followed Luther in “protest” after he broke from the Catholic Church at the Diet of Worms in 1529.

Also, as a specific strain within Protestant Christianity, evangelicals have long history of protest. We draw our theological heritage from English Puritans who dissented from the Church of England.

As Americans, it is part of our civic heritage (one which we often venerate in textbooks and through holidays. The one that sticks out in our national conscience is the Boston Tea Party, one of the earliest protests of the American Revolution which rallied people against the oppressive tyranny of King George.

And as Evangelicals, we are people defined in part by our heritage of revival, reform, and renewal. We are at our best when we are calling ourselves, our churches, and our communities to resist both dead orthodoxy and empty moralism. At our core, we are supposed to be people who work to protest spiritual lethargy.

Christians have also protested moral wrongs throughout the years.

Most recently, evangelicals and other Christians have consistently—and against considerable public pressure—protested abortion, including participation in a major national March for Life every year.

Our Call

Far from a recent evolution, modern evangelicalism was born out of a rejection of isolationism of fundamentalism. Carl F.H. Henry’s The Uneasy Conscience of Fundamentalism drew attention to the ways theological conservative Protestants in America had lost sight of the social dimensions of the gospel. Later, in his book A Plea for Evangelical Demonstration, Henry would focus more practically on the issue of public protest in calling evangelicals to take seriously our faith:

This is a call for authentic evangelical protest. A sensitive Christian conscience must openly confront enduring and intractable social injustices. Biblically concerned Christians need not forego a moment of open identification with those of other faiths and alien views in protesting what all together recognize to be unjust."[1]

As Peter Heltzel rightly observed, this was “Henry on fire for lasting social change as a vital expression of our gospel witness.” Drawing a clear parallel to Martin Luther King’s famous exhortation to moderate clergy that "injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere,” Henry pleaded for Christians to protest “what all together recognize to be unjust.”[2]

With unrelenting surgical precision, Henry repeatedly honed in not only on the systemic nature of evil but also on the necessity of a public response by the people of God. The result was an unavoidable call to evangelicals to see the call to protest as intimately and unavoidably connected to their faith.

Our Current Situation

Over the past two weeks, we have witnessed countless marches and demonstrations to protest not only the killing of George Floyd, but also the broader issue of systemic racism., Following other tragic reports of African American deaths in the recent past, Floyd’s death seems to be a tipping point in waking people to action.

But there is a difference it seems between the protests over the past two weeks and the litany of those I just noted above. The difference in these recent protests is that some conservatives (often evangelicals) seem intent upon focusing on other issues so as to bypass the heart of the matter.

It’s worth addressing their argument.

Even as evidence of violence and prejudice mounts and the pleas from their brothers and sisters of color intensify, their social media feeds instead focus on the riots and looting. Tying the protests and riots together, some are trying to dismiss the former by way of the latter.

Here’s the challenge: You can simultaneously speak out against systemic racism and looting and violence. Evangelicals sometimes struggle with the former but demand the latter. Followers of Jesus must do both.

Faith Leaders March

The faith leaders I marched with for justice in Chicago modeled this duality. Walking through the streets, they called out victims by name while proclaiming that black lives do matter.

I’m aware of concerns surrounding the BLM movement (and have published about those concerns here) but that doesn’t negate the significance of the phrase. We should be ashamed we have reached a place where so many in the African American community believe their lives do not matter to us. Regardless of politics, it marks a tragic failure on our part to live out scripture’s imperative to be known for our love.

Moreover, as we marched through Bronzeville for justice and fairness, leaders of that condemned the destructiveness of rioting and looting not only on the goals of the protest but in the very communities we were trying shine lights upon.

No Christian affirms a violent riot but this is the straw man some are using. Yet consider how this same tactic is used against us when applied to other protests. When extremists bomb an abortion clinic and kill an abortion doctor, we are defensive when others try to use the incident to tar the entire pro-life movement. Even as we join in condemning this violence as antithetical to the movement, it can quickly become a talking point to label the movement as violent, hypocritical, and self-defeating.

As we ask for others to avoid straw man tactics to silence our protests, we must resist the same temptation to silence others.

Behind the Protesting

One of the disappointing facts of debates over the nature of protests is that the underlying message can get lost. Yet the reality is that the act of protesting itself is not the issue. Indeed, for too many, focusing on the protests can often be a smokescreen to avoid dealing with the harsh reality.

Instead, we get endless debates of protesting the right way. If only African Americans (and others seeking justice) would protest the right way, then we would understand and deal with the problem, we hear. Well, I can’t think of a righter way than a peaceful protest walking through Bronzeville in a march led by African American pastors.

It must not be lost that so many of these marches are saturated in the gospel and lead by gospel ministers. Indeed, David Neff reminds us that one of the most prominent civil rights song, "We Shall Overcome," was adapted by Peter Seeger from Louise Shropshire's "If My Jesus Wills (I'll Overcome)." That so many white people see only the looting fringe and not their brothers and sisters in Christ speaks to centuries of oppression must be bridged.

It's my hope and prayer that the church today will be building bridges rather than burning them. Otherwise, something far worse than property will be destroyed.

Standing and Marching for Lives that Matter

For me, I stand with the unborn who’ve been ignored. It’s interesting to see so many throw that back up on social media to me, yet I wonder if they’ve joined us at the national March for Life or even the Chicago march.

Many people have tweeted back at me mentioning abortion in the last couple weeks. I’m glad that are concerned for the innocent unborn. I’ve not tweeted back to ask how many have joined us for such marches for life. Tweets are easy— action is hard. I hope they will.

I assure you, it was pretty cold in Chicago when I spoke at that Chicago march. And yet, I saw Anglican Bishop Stewart Ruch there. And I saw him again this week. I tweeted, “I saw Anglican Bishop @StewartRuch at the faith leaders March on Tuesday AND we regularly see one another at pro-life marches. I love his consistency.”

This weekend, many of your African American brothers and sisters need to know you care. I was invited first by James Meeks—Meeks is an evangelical pastor who is a trustee of Moody Bible Institute and grad student in our Wheaton College graduate program. How could I not stand by my brother in Christ when he asked me to stand with him against injustice and stand by him in his community’s pain.

I was surprised that James Meeks insisted I join him at the front of the march—that’s me at the middle holing the Y and James holding the D. (It’s blurry in the article picture at the top, but here we are together—and I am glad to be by his side.)

I did not want to be up front, but he and Charlie Dates explained to me that it is important that white allies be present and evident. So I listened to them.

Lots of evangelical pastors where there that day, and I was glad to be a part of it. You might consider joining such a peaceful event in your own area this weekend yourself, because protesting is what we Protestants have been doing since day one.

Don’t let the fringe voices on Twitter keep you from standing for justice with your neighbor.

You already probably knew that the unborn need your voice. Well, so do your African American brothers and sisters who have been born into a world where they wonder if their lives really do matter.











Endnotes

[1] Carl F. H. Henry, A Plea for Evangelical Demonstration (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1971), 13.

[2] Peter Goodwin Heltzel, Jesus and Justice: Evangelicals, Race, and American Politics, 86.

Ed Stetzer is executive director of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center, serves as a dean at Wheaton College, and publishes church leadership resources through Mission Group. The Exchange Team contributed to this article.
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Supreme Court Rejects Louisiana Abortion Regulations










John Roberts joins liberal justices, citing precedent.


The Supreme Court has ruled that a Louisiana law regulating abortion places an unacceptable obstacle in the path of women who want an abortion.

Pro-life advocates had hoped that the two new conservative justices would swing the court in a different direction than its 2016 ruling on a similar case. Instead, the 5–4 decision solidifies the court’s definition of “undue burden” on women seeking the procedure and further limits states’ abilities to regulate abortion.

“This decision is disappointing and wrong-headed,” said Russell Moore, president of the the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. “The Louisiana law was directed toward the simple goal of protecting women from danger by placing the most minimal restrictions possible on an abortion industry that insists on laissez-faire for itself and its profits.”

The Louisiana law required abortion providers to obtain admitting privileges at a local hospital. Legislators said the requirement would improve the level of care that clinics provide for women. Abortion regulations in Louisiana and other conservative states have resulted in clinic closures and corresponded with falling abortion rates nationwide.

The court struck down similar requirements in Texas in 2016, ruling that the regulation would have no positive effect on the level of treatment women received but would likely cause some clinics to close. The regulation was unconstitutional because it placed an “undue burden” on women’s access to abortion.

On Monday, four liberal justices—Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Sonya Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan—decided in June Medical Services vs. Russo that the Louisiana law was unconstitutional for the same reasons.

“Enforcing the admitting-privileges requirement would drastically reduce the number and geographic distribution of abortion providers, making it impossible for many women to obtain a safe, legal abortion in the State and imposing substantial obstacles on those who could,” wrote Stephen Breyer, for the majority.

Chief Justice John Roberts joined the decision in a concurring opinion. Even though he said the Texas decision was wrong, he thinks the precedent is binding. Roberts appealed to the legal doctrine of stare decisis, a Latin phrase meaning “to stand by things decided.”

“Stare decisis requires us, absent special circumstances, to treat like cases alike,” Roberts wrote. “The Louisiana law imposes a burden on access to abortion just as severe as that imposed by the Texas law, for the same reasons. Therefore Louisiana’s law cannot stand under our precedents.”

The legal argument did not please pro-life advocates.

“Chief Justice Roberts’ vote is a big disappointment,” said James Bopp Jr., general counsel for National Right to Life. “This decision demonstrates how difficult it is to drain the DC swamp and how important it is that President Trump gets re-elected so that he may be able to appoint more pro-life Justices.”

Louisiana—like many conservative states—has passed numerous laws regulating abortion in the last few years. Most abortions are banned after 22 weeks. Every woman seeking abortion is required to get an ultrasound and receive in-person counseling. And girls under 18 are required to get parental consent.

The state has seen a 2 percent drop in abortions since 2016, continuing a nation-wide trend. In the state’s four clinics, there is currently about currently about 1 abortion per 100 reproductive-age women every year.

The Louisiana clinics do not have a good record of caring for women’s health. A lower court—which sided with the abortion providers—described the clinics’ disregard for basic levels of medical care as “horrifying.”

In one case, a doctor did not sterilize the instruments used to perform an abortion. The same doctor used single-use instruments multiple times, court records show. In another case, a women started to hemorrhage during her abortion. The doctor didn’t try to stop the bleeding, according to disciplinary records, but instead told her to “get up and get out.”

June Medical Services, the clinic at the center of the Supreme Court case, was cited for failing to monitor breathing and heartbeats while women were under anesthesia. Its doctors also didn’t check medical histories and performed abortions without documenting anything about prior complications with anesthesia, or issues with menstruation, pregnancy, and childbirth, according to the lower court’s findings.

Pro-choice advocates argued that requiring doctors who perform abortions to maintain admitting privileges at local hospitals will not improve the level of care. Sometimes hospitals evaluate a doctor’s qualifications and record, but admitting privileges can also be denied for bureaucratic reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of care a patient receives. Functionally, they argue, the requirement will only prevent some abortion doctors from working in Louisiana.

Justice Samuel Alito, in his dissent to Monday’s ruling, argued that “there is ample evidence in the record showing that admitting privileges help to protect the health of women by ensuring that physicians who perform abortions meet a higher standard of competence than is shown by the mere possession of a license to practice.”

Alito also argued the ruling shifts the standard for regulations in favor of abortion providers, allowing them to say what counts as an undue burden.

There has been much debate about what regulations are “substantial obstacles” since the court established that standard in 1992 with Planned Parenthood vs. Casey. Many abortion rights advocates see all regulations as an undue burden. They argue the state laws are just back-door attempts to ban abortion.

During oral arguments, the attorney representing June Medical Services said that even if there was no evidence that the Louisiana law made it harder for a woman to get an abortion, the regulation should not be allowed unless it was shown it made a positive impact on women’s health.

Pro-life groups, on the other hand, have argued a state law should be allowed unless it prevents all or nearly all abortions from occurring. In a friend-of-the-court brief, Bopp argued that regulations are not substantial obstacles until they rise to the level of “absolute obstacles” and when a law incidentally increases the cost or decrease the availability of abortion that is not “undue as a matter of law.” He suggested the court clarify its standard, to say that a regulation is permissible unless it deprives women of abortion access “in a real sense” or is clearly “designed to strike at the right itself.”

Justice Clarence Thomas, in his dissent, said the debates about what regulations are acceptable do not go to the heart of the matter.

“Today’s decision is wrong for a far simpler reason,” he wrote. “The Constitution does not constrain the States’ ability to regulate or even prohibit abortion. This Court created the right to abortion based on an amorphous, unwritten right to privacy, which it grounded in the ‘legal fiction’ of substantive due process … the putative right to abortion is a creation that should be undone.”

The case has been seen by many as a proxy battle over abortion, despite the fact that the legal status of abortion wasn’t at issue and abortions would continue to happen, regardless of the court’s ruling.

The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association filed a brief with the court arguing the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of the right to legal due process should protect the unborn. “It is now well known that a unique human being, a person, begins life at conception,” the association’s lawyer wrote to the court. “That has been indisputably established scientifically since the early 1800s.”

On the other side, the representative for 28 pro-choice religious groups including the Methodist Federation for Social Action, Presbyterians Affirming Reproductive Choice, and the United Church of Christ, took the opportunity to argue for the importance of abortion access.

“Being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term not only exposes a woman to greater health risks, but is also an affront to her right to decide whether to terminate a pregnancy, in accordance with her faith and values,” the lawyer wrote. “Religious commitments to the marginalized in our society, including poor women, women of color, rural women, young women, women in abusive relationships, and women unable to travel to obtain abortion care, add to these concerns.”

The court’s ruling does not address the personhood of the unborn, though. Nor did it challenge the question of a women’s right to access abortion.

At least one justice wonders whether any Supreme Court decision could get at the real issue dividing the nation and address the deep ideological conflict over abortion.

“I have read the briefs. I understand there are good arguments on both sides,” Breyer said during oral arguments in March. “Indeed, in the country people have very strong feelings and a lot of people morally think it’s wrong and a lot of people morally think the opposite is wrong. … I think personally the court is struggling with the problem of what kind of rule of law do you have in a country that contains both sorts of people.”

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Supreme Court Rejects Louisiana Abortion Regulations










John Roberts joins liberal justices, citing precedent.


The Supreme Court has ruled that a Louisiana law regulating abortion places an unacceptable obstacle in the path of women who want an abortion.

Pro-life advocates had hoped that the two new conservative justices would swing the court in a different direction than its 2016 ruling on a similar case. Instead, the 5–4 decision solidifies the court’s definition of “undue burden” on women seeking the procedure and further limits states’ abilities to regulate abortion.

“This decision is disappointing and wrong-headed,” said Russell Moore, president of the the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. “The Louisiana law was directed toward the simple goal of protecting women from danger by placing the most minimal restrictions possible on an abortion industry that insists on laissez-faire for itself and its profits.”

The Louisiana law required abortion providers to obtain admitting privileges at a local hospital. Legislators said the requirement would improve the level of care that clinics provide for women. Abortion regulations in Louisiana and other conservative states have resulted in clinic closures and corresponded with falling abortion rates nationwide.

The court struck down similar requirements in Texas in 2016, ruling that the regulation would have no positive effect on the level of treatment women received but would likely cause some clinics to close. The regulation was unconstitutional because it placed an “undue burden” on women’s access to abortion.

On Monday, four liberal justices—Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Sonya Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan—decided in June Medical Services vs. Russo that the Louisiana law was unconstitutional for the same reasons.

“Enforcing the admitting-privileges requirement would drastically reduce the number and geographic distribution of abortion providers, making it impossible for many women to obtain a safe, legal abortion in the State and imposing substantial obstacles on those who could,” wrote Stephen Breyer, for the majority.

Chief Justice John Roberts joined the decision in a concurring opinion. Even though he said the Texas decision was wrong, he thinks the precedent is binding. Roberts appealed to the legal doctrine of stare decisis, a Latin phrase meaning “to stand by things decided.”

“Stare decisis requires us, absent special circumstances, to treat like cases alike,” Roberts wrote. “The Louisiana law imposes a burden on access to abortion just as severe as that imposed by the Texas law, for the same reasons. Therefore Louisiana’s law cannot stand under our precedents.”

The legal argument did not please pro-life advocates.

“Chief Justice Roberts’ vote is a big disappointment,” said James Bopp Jr., general counsel for National Right to Life. “This decision demonstrates how difficult it is to drain the DC swamp and how important it is that President Trump gets re-elected so that he may be able to appoint more pro-life Justices.”

Louisiana—like many conservative states—has passed numerous laws regulating abortion in the last few years. Most abortions are banned after 22 weeks. Every woman seeking abortion is required to get an ultrasound and receive in-person counseling. And girls under 18 are required to get parental consent.

The state has seen a 2 percent drop in abortions since 2016, continuing a nation-wide trend. In the state’s four clinics, there is currently about currently about 1 abortion per 100 reproductive-age women every year.

The Louisiana clinics do not have a good record of caring for women’s health. A lower court—which sided with the abortion providers—described the clinics’ disregard for basic levels of medical care as “horrifying.”

In one case, a doctor did not sterilize the instruments used to perform an abortion. The same doctor used single-use instruments multiple times, court records show. In another case, a women started to hemorrhage during her abortion. The doctor didn’t try to stop the bleeding, according to disciplinary records, but instead told her to “get up and get out.”

June Medical Services, the clinic at the center of the Supreme Court case, was cited for failing to monitor breathing and heartbeats while women were under anesthesia. Its doctors also didn’t check medical histories and performed abortions without documenting anything about prior complications with anesthesia, or issues with menstruation, pregnancy, and childbirth, according to the lower court’s findings.

Pro-choice advocates argued that requiring doctors who perform abortions to maintain admitting privileges at local hospitals will not improve the level of care. Sometimes hospitals evaluate a doctor’s qualifications and record, but admitting privileges can also be denied for bureaucratic reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of care a patient receives. Functionally, they argue, the requirement will only prevent some abortion doctors from working in Louisiana.

Justice Samuel Alito, in his dissent to Monday’s ruling, argued that “there is ample evidence in the record showing that admitting privileges help to protect the health of women by ensuring that physicians who perform abortions meet a higher standard of competence than is shown by the mere possession of a license to practice.”

Alito also argued the ruling shifts the standard for regulations in favor of abortion providers, allowing them to say what counts as an undue burden.

There has been much debate about what regulations are “substantial obstacles” since the court established that standard in 1992 with Planned Parenthood vs. Casey. Many abortion rights advocates see all regulations as an undue burden. They argue the state laws are just back-door attempts to ban abortion.

During oral arguments, the attorney representing June Medical Services said that even if there was no evidence that the Louisiana law made it harder for a woman to get an abortion, the regulation should not be allowed unless it was shown it made a positive impact on women’s health.

Pro-life groups, on the other hand, have argued a state law should be allowed unless it prevents all or nearly all abortions from occurring. In a friend-of-the-court brief, Bopp argued that regulations are not substantial obstacles until they rise to the level of “absolute obstacles” and when a law incidentally increases the cost or decrease the availability of abortion that is not “undue as a matter of law.” He suggested the court clarify its standard, to say that a regulation is permissible unless it deprives women of abortion access “in a real sense” or is clearly “designed to strike at the right itself.”

Justice Clarence Thomas, in his dissent, said the debates about what regulations are acceptable do not go to the heart of the matter.

“Today’s decision is wrong for a far simpler reason,” he wrote. “The Constitution does not constrain the States’ ability to regulate or even prohibit abortion. This Court created the right to abortion based on an amorphous, unwritten right to privacy, which it grounded in the ‘legal fiction’ of substantive due process … the putative right to abortion is a creation that should be undone.”

The case has been seen by many as a proxy battle over abortion, despite the fact that the legal status of abortion wasn’t at issue and abortions would continue to happen, regardless of the court’s ruling.

The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association filed a brief with the court arguing the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of the right to legal due process should protect the unborn. “It is now well known that a unique human being, a person, begins life at conception,” the association’s lawyer wrote to the court. “That has been indisputably established scientifically since the early 1800s.”

On the other side, the representative for 28 pro-choice religious groups including the Methodist Federation for Social Action, Presbyterians Affirming Reproductive Choice, and the United Church of Christ, took the opportunity to argue for the importance of abortion access.

“Being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term not only exposes a woman to greater health risks, but is also an affront to her right to decide whether to terminate a pregnancy, in accordance with her faith and values,” the lawyer wrote. “Religious commitments to the marginalized in our society, including poor women, women of color, rural women, young women, women in abusive relationships, and women unable to travel to obtain abortion care, add to these concerns.”

The court’s ruling does not address the personhood of the unborn, though. Nor did it challenge the question of a women’s right to access abortion.

At least one justice wonders whether any Supreme Court decision could get at the real issue dividing the nation and address the deep ideological conflict over abortion.

“I have read the briefs. I understand there are good arguments on both sides,” Breyer said during oral arguments in March. “Indeed, in the country people have very strong feelings and a lot of people morally think it’s wrong and a lot of people morally think the opposite is wrong. … I think personally the court is struggling with the problem of what kind of rule of law do you have in a country that contains both sorts of people.”



There was a piece of legislation in Texas that was put down last year. Sadly, the justices did not look to the words of the Lousianna Legislation but rather put it down because of Precedent...Yet, it was different all together. So sad.   

When a nations leaders, Scotus is one of those leaders.....They have not change is 100 years.

Bill Graham once said that "If God did not Judge America, He would owe Sodom and Gamorrah an apology"

unfortunately, we have become a nation of monsters that Kills Children for what....The IDOL of ME-ME-ME.   Wow....Beware ..Judgement is coming soon,......

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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on August 04, 2020, 01:42:52 pm
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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on September 21, 2020, 04:00:51 pm
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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on September 24, 2020, 02:06:05 pm
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https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2020/september-web-only/supreme-court-evangelical-issues-ruth-bader-ginsburg-trump.html








Why the Supreme Court Makeup Matters Beyond Abortion









Legal experts cite religious freedom and free speech among the major issues for evangelicals in a post–Ruth Bader Ginsburg court.


Last week’s death of Ruth Bader Ginsberg represents the third opportunity for President Donald Trump to nominate a Supreme Court justice.

A third of evangelicals by belief cited Supreme Court nominees and abortion stance as reasons for voting for Trump in 2016. Many evangelicals and pro-life Americans have celebrated the possibility that another conservative justice could shift the Court toward overturning Roe v. Wade and reshaping abortion law in the country. Yet the new makeup of the Court will address crucial issues for the church that extend far beyond abortion.

CT asked legal experts how a new Supreme Court appointment replacing Ginsburg stands to affect evangelicals outside of Roe v. Wade. Here are their responses, calling out issues such as religious freedom, racial equality, child protection, and free speech.

Barry P. McDonald, law professor at Pepperdine University:

As it stands, the Supreme Court is controlled by a majority of five solid conservative justices who either have a strong record of supporting religious freedom rights or give every indication that they will develop such a record. If President Trump succeeds in appointing Justice Ginsburg’s successor, that will likely add one more justice to this coalition. While an additional vote is not necessary to maintain this trend, it could prove important to religious freedom proponents in cases where Chief Justice John Roberts might moderate his vote in an attempt to shield the Court as an institution from charges that it has become too political and divisive (or where any conservative justice moderates his or her vote for whatever reason). This is most likely to occur in cases where religious beliefs might conflict with laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual and gender orientation. Indeed, both Roberts and Justice Neil Gorsuch recently alluded to such future contests in voting to interpret federal workplace laws as barring such discrimination.

Kim Colby, director of the Christian Legal Society’s Center of Law and Religious Freedom:
Justice Ginsburg’s replacement potentially could provide a more secure footing for our basic human right of religious freedom. In 27 years on the Supreme Court, Justice Ginsburg heard over 30 religious freedom cases. Unfortunately, her support for religious freedom was lackluster.

Justice Ginsburg previously voted in favor of religious schools’ freedom to choose their teachers but then voted against that right in a recent case. She voted once for—and three times against—robust application of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Her two votes in favor of prisoners’ religious freedom, as well as a Muslim employee’s right to wear a hijab, were commendable. But four times, she voted to uphold the government’s exclusion of religious speech from the public square.

Justice Ginsburg advanced a theory of the Establishment Clause that excluded religious students from government programs funding education. Several times she voted to remove religious symbols from public property. When comparing her votes in recent cases to votes by Justice Neil Gorsuch and Justice Brett Kavanaugh, the comparison suggests that someone nominated by President Trump likely will be a good steward of religious freedom.

Lynne Marie Kohm, law professor at Regent University:
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s replacement can make a dynamic difference for America’s children in three key cases—one past, one present, and one (hopefully) future.

Past: Transgender rights—Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia. The Court held that firing an individual for being transgender violates Title VII. Ginsburg’s replacement could alter future transgender rulings, particularly as biological female athletes seek to protect their rights in girls’ sports.

Present: Foster care—Fulton v. Philadelphia. First Amendment rights of Christians who provide foster care are at stake as the Court soon determines whether the government can condition a religious agency’s ability to participate in the foster care system on practices that contradict its religious beliefs.

Future (hopefully): Child pornography. In 2002, Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition struck down two provisions of the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 as overbroad, giving a tremendous win to the adult-entertainment industry. Child pornography has since proliferated. Children need protections that a Ginsburg replacement could help deliver.

Beyond Roe, American evangelicals want to see all children protected, born and unborn.

Thomas Berg, law professor at the University of St. Thomas:
One obvious evangelical priority for the Court’s new justice (beyond abortion) is religious freedom, which the Court already strongly supports. Majorities of 5–7 justices have protected religious schools’ right to hire the religion teachers they choose, employers’ right to object to covering employees’ contraception, and families’ right to choose religious schools for their children and still receive government educational assistance. Justice Ginsburg dissented from all those rights; the new nominee will strengthen them.

But the nominee should also be questioned about another priority: racial equality. Christians must care about this because racism denies that some fellow humans have their full God-given dignity. And justices should care because the Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment was meant to eliminate practices that had kept black people constricted even after their formal enslavement ended. Republican appointees typically commit to enforcing a provision’s “original meaning.” The next justice should apply the amendment vigorously to racially unjust practices of our day.

Carl H. Esbeck, law professor emeritus at the University of Missouri:
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was an effective legal activist, first for the ACLU and later as a high court justice. To admire her work depends on whether one believes the role of a judge is to align the law with one’s sense of justice or is it to subordinate the self to the nation’s organic documents and the rule of law. Unlike Justice Ginsburg, we can aspire to a successor who will interpret the US. Constitution in accord with the original meaning of the adopted text. I also hope for reconsideration of the free speech case of Hastings Chapter of the Christian Legal Society v. Martinez. Authored by Justice Ginsburg, this was a 5-4 decision denying student religious organizations access to meeting space at a state university campus without first agreeing that there be no qualification that the organization’s student officers and members conform to a statement of faith.

Rena M. Lindevaldsen, law professor at Liberty University:


Conservative justices view the Constitution as a source of, and limit on, their power, recognizing that the separation of powers best protects our God-given liberties and that the Constitution contains an amendment provision to make changes when necessary. Liberal justices circumvent that amendment provision and simply change or create law to suit what they believe the culture desires. But when those justices promote the “right” of people to do whatever pleases them amidst a culture that promotes “godlessness and wickedness” (Rom. 1:18), government punishes those who proclaim the unchanging truth of Scripture.

That punishment takes many forms, including firing employees who will not promote a particular agenda, arresting sidewalk counselors, singling out churches for censorship, labeling the truth of Scripture as hate speech, or stripping people of the right to self-defense against a despotic government. Appointing the right justice helps us, as Justice Scalia said, guard “against the black-robed supremacy.”
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Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on September 24, 2020, 07:46:02 pm
I got hate mail for a college newspaper column I wrote on abortion.  Neither side then or now likes facts they just want to defend a made-up controversy from way back that one party needed to deflect the news to something else.

The bottom line for me is while I do not like abortion, I will not force my feelings on others that I know nothing about their situation.  That is not how I was raised as a Christian, not to force others to conform with my thinking.

I am however pro-education.  If we as a nation would suck it up, make young men responsible for their actions, make both genders have good sex education including reproductive and history information including the horror of abortion you could reduce abortion by as much as 85%. 

That is a fact that has existed for a long time everyone wishes  to avoid.    That said I think Roe v Wade needs upheld strictly on health reasons.  I am from era of back alley abortions that killed lots of ladies.  Neither should have had to die, baby or mom.  But I think some strong common sense regulations need put in place country wide and not longer leave it to the states.

Just a humble opinion.
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on September 24, 2020, 07:58:37 pm
I got hate mail for a college newspaper column I wrote on abortion.  Neither side then or now likes facts they just want to defend  a mde up controversy from way back the one party  needed to deflect the news to something else.

The bottom line for me, is while I do not like abortion, I will not force my feelings on others that I know nothing about the situation.  That is not how I was raised as a Christian to force others to conform with my thinking.

I am however pro-education.  If we as a nation would suck it up, make young men responsible for their action, make both genders have good sex education include reproductive and history information including the horror of abortion you could reduce abortion by as much as 85%. 

Thank is a fact that has existed for a long time everyone wishes  to avoid.    That said I think Roe v Wade needs upheld strictly on health reasons.  I am from era of back alley abortions that killed lots of ladies.  Neither should have had to die baby or mom.  But I think some strong common sense regulations need put in place country wide and not longer leave it to the states.

Just a humble opinion.
Thank you brother, good post.
Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on October 11, 2020, 10:20:00 am
I got hate mail for a college newspaper column I wrote on abortion.  Neither side then or now likes facts they just want to defend  a mde up controversy from way back the one party  needed to deflect the news to something else.

The bottom line for me, is while I do not like abortion, I will not force my feelings on others that I know nothing about the situation.  That is not how I was raised as a Christian to force others to conform with my thinking.

I am however pro-education.  If we as a nation would suck it up, make young men responsible for their action, make both genders have good sex education include reproductive and history information including the horror of abortion you could reduce abortion by as much as 85%. 

Thank is a fact that has existed for a long time everyone wishes  to avoid.    That said I think Roe v Wade needs upheld strictly on health reasons.  I am from era of back alley abortions that killed lots of ladies.  Neither should have had to die baby or mom.  But I think some strong common sense regulations need put in place country wide and not longer leave it to the states.

Just a humble opinion.
Thank you brother, good post.
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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: patrick jane on October 13, 2020, 04:46:28 pm
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https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2020/october/trump-covid-fetal-cell-lines-regeneron-vaccines-pro-life.html








Amid COVID-19, Pro-Lifers Push to Avoid Abortive Fetal Cells in Medicine




Despite the ethical challenges, most still concede to using old cell lines in life-saving drugs.


President Donald Trump has praised the treatments he received for the coronavirus, including an experimental COVID-19 drug cocktail, as “miracles coming down from God.” But in the week after his hospitalization, some questioned the president’s endorsement of the medication—which he says he wants to make more widely available for free—since it was tested using aborted fetal tissue and his administration promotes a pro-life platform.

This is an ethical dilemma that pro-life Christians have wrestled through long before the coronavirus. Given the role of old fetal cell lines in more than half a century of vaccine development—including options for a COVID-19 vaccine—many have been able to reconcile the use of fetal tissue from decades-old abortions while opposing the use of fetal tissue from new abortions for further testing.

That’s actually the current position of the Trump administration as well. Last year, the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced plans to discontinue research “that requires new acquisition of fetal tissue from elective abortions,” though it will still allow the use of abortive fetal tissue through older cell lines, of which there is plenty in supply.

Trump’s treatment included an antibody developed by Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, which used a fetal tissue cell line from an abortion in the 1970s to test the efficacy of the drug. Several COVID-19 vaccine candidates also use this cell line.

The actual drug cocktail contains two antibodies. The first uses embryonic mouse stem cell lines—not human ones—genetically altered to contain human antibodies from previously recovered patients, a research technique often termed “humanized mice.” The second antibody is produced in hamster cells.

The Charlotte Lozier Institute, affiliated with the pro-life Susan B. Anthony List, deemed it an “ethical treatment” because of the composition of the drug. The institute has not advocated against the use of animal stem cells.

As far as the testing, “there are ethically derived cell lines that could be used instead,” said David Prentice, the institute’s vice president and research director. “It’s disappointing that they chose to do the tests with the old fetal cell line.”

But Lozier, like other religious groups that oppose abortion, sees a distinction between testing a treatment using the old cell lines and using abortions to obtain further fetal tissue for research.

Researchers sought fetal tissue from elective abortions dating back to the 1960s, creating cell lines that are still used today, after having been multiplied in a lab and frozen. Two of these older fetal cell lines are used mainly to manufacture vaccines, including those for rubella (in the MMR) and chickenpox. The other two are immortalized cell lines, meaning they will grow continuously. Some of these are used in current COVID-19 vaccine candidates.

The Lozier Institute tracks pharmaceutical companies’ use of these abortive cell lines in the development, production, and testing of COVID-19 vaccine options; some use them throughout the development process, and others only in testing.

Prentice felt that the same reasoning for the moral good of vaccines holds true for the Regeneron treatment the president receivd.

Though a growing number of individual Christians refuse vaccines on moral grounds, many institutions, such as the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and the Catholic church, support immunizations while acknowledging their dismaying history. They make the case that the use of older fetal cell lines, while not ideal, is not creating additional harm. As the Catholic church concluded for vaccines: Beneficiaries of the drug are not culpable in the original sin of the abortion.

In a previous CT interview, Francis Collins, the director of the NIH and a committed Christian, suggested comparing it to an organ donation after a tragic shooting, saying that the giving of tissue would still be considered “a noble and honorable action” even though we acknowledge an evil was done.

An evangelical Protestant, Prentice weighs other ethical questions against arguments to refuse vaccines: “Is there a grave reason to use it (such as preventing death or serious illness)? If yes, is there any alternative?” If not, he says, people should feel free to ethically receive the vaccine or drug in question.

The Catholic church wrote that doctors and families may determine it necessary to use vaccines developed using the fetal cell lines to prevent illness and death. It suggested that they also have a duty to oppose the use of the fetal cells and pressure the medical industry to use alternative methods.

Prentice offers a similar support. “Future directions for use of fetal tissue from ongoing abortion will hopefully be to move swiftly to better, modern techniques that do not use fetal tissue from elective abortion,” he said.

While most pro-life groups remain unenthused about the use of the abortive tissue in the COVID-19 vaccine candidates, as with other vaccines, they have not suggested people to refuse treatments or immunizations that are developed with the cell lines.

Prentice, who joined the first fetal tissue ethics board formed by a presidential administration, said those who feel the use of abortive fetuses is morally repugnant “should also feel a duty to advocate for a licitly-produced alternative.” That board includes many others who have publicly expressed pro-life views.

Per the new direction of the HHS, the board met in July to review present-day research proposals requiring acquisition of fetal tissue. It recommended only one proposal out of 14, though final decisions lie with the HHS. The recommended proposal—approved by two-thirds of the board—planned to use existing tissue, and if successful, wouldn’t require its future use.

The criteria the board used included review of the procedures for informed consent, which were not satisfying to some members in a number of cases. Though there are National Institutions of Health procedures in place today, to some, lack of consent tainted the process of obtaining the original fetal cell lines.

Some also raised issue with an NIH call for research proposals that originally required scientists to use fetal tissue to compare their treatment with alternatives. “This was an unfortunate specification, as there is neither ethical nor scientific justification for a specific fetal tissue comparator,” said Prentice, suggesting there are other possibilities.

Kathleen Schmainda, a Catholic and a biophysicist at the Medical College of Wisconsin who also served on the ethics board, said that alternatives “are proven to be scientifically viable and often scientifically preferable.”

She pointed to the list of COVID-19 vaccine candidates in trials that do not use fetal tissue cells as evidence that scientists are preferring not to use them in some cases. For example, several Chinese vaccine candidates use vero monkey cells. The Moderna and Pfizer candidates use no cells in the design or production instead creating the vaccine with a genetic sequencing on computers, though they use fetal cell lines in lab testing.

One avenue for ethically obtaining fetal tissue could be the use of banks that maintain fetal tissue from miscarriages, said Schmainda. While some scientists will say they prefer abortive fetal tissue because it is healthier, Schmainda maintains that most miscarriages are due to pregnancy complications, not genetic abnormalities.









Board chair Paige Comstock Cunningham, who is also the interim president at Taylor University, could not be reached for comment. The ethics board is dissolved each year. If President Trump is reelected, a new ethics board will assess proposals in coming years.
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Post by: patrick jane on October 14, 2020, 09:41:33 am
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Post by: patrick jane on October 16, 2020, 08:16:43 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUhzyvNeSrU
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Title: Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
Post by: Jesus Truth on October 18, 2020, 08:40:55 am
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