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Title: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on August 11, 2018, 09:54:59 pm
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Fake Moon Landing | As Seen On TV | Movies & Television ▶️️


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I gathered all the movies, tv shows, etc that I possibly could that rub the moon landing hoax in our face constantly. It's called putting the truth in plain sight.

A common practice among the Illuminati/ elite/ freemasons/ jesuits/ zionist jews. I've found over 30 instances of the fake moon landing being shown or talked about in pop culture. It's called PROGRAMMING for a reason. #flatearth


22 minutes
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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on August 14, 2018, 01:58:38 pm
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon
1,778,192 views


Only 45 minutes - Better than a movie
https://youtu.be/xciCJfbTvE4

“All Truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed,
Then it is violently opposed,
Finally it is accepted as self-evident.”
-Arthur Schopenhauer-

“In an age of universal deceit,
telling the Truth is a revolutionary act.”
“Whoever controls the past, controls the future.”
-George Orwell-

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this:
If we’ve been bamboozled long enough,
we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle.
We’re no longer interested in finding out the Truth.
The bamboozle has captured us.
It’s simply too painful to acknowledge,
even to ourselves,
that we’ve been taken.
Once you give a charlatan power over you,
you almost never get it back.”
-Carl Sagan-

“It is easier to fool people,
than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
-Mark Twain-






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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on August 15, 2018, 11:46:18 am
Flat Earth Short Film - High Quality


This is a looping video. The actual video is 7 minutes and begins again. This is practice for bigger productions. Research Jesus Christ and then Research Flat Earth. Join my Flat Earth Forum Free -


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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on August 24, 2018, 04:46:20 pm
Flat earth We didn't land on the Moon Former NASA Scientist admits Game over for NASA



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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on August 25, 2018, 03:22:48 pm
TV From the Moon: Are you INSANE?


The great NASA HOAX continues: TV from the MOON? Yes, when you see the details on the power needs you will realize it is totally insane. The earth is flat, the moon is a light and Apollo nothing went there. Get rid of pride and wake up to the light.

18 minutes
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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on September 01, 2018, 08:02:40 pm
Flat Earth and the Globe Deception | Why It Matters


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Enoch and The Flat Earth - Biblical Cosmology


Must hear the first 4 minutes - Must See the last 3 minutes !!!

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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on September 13, 2018, 12:40:05 pm
BEST NASA FAILS AND FRAUD COMPILATION


Do you have a hard time convincing your friends and loved ones that NASA is fake? So do we, so we've put together this video which contains the best proofs on the internet that NASA is taking our money and used to deceive the world about what the world is. Share this video to wake everyone up to the greatest deception of our time!
The most important question to answer is "WHY THEY LIE"


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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on September 14, 2018, 02:04:43 am
One Giant Lie For Mankind - AstroNots Gone Nowhere


This video covers some of the LIVE telecast for Apollo 11 and touches on many other aspects of the Apollo missions. It touches on various interviews and press conferences as well as on board communication and even covers a bit of Aaron Ranens documentary, "Did We Go?"

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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on September 21, 2018, 10:14:25 pm
FAKING SPACE THEN VS NOW (ONLY THE BEST FAILS INCLUDED!)


There are many people who believe NASA stopped faking space after the moon missions, but this simply isn’t true. You need to share this with all those that have no clue this is still going on or why the elites have to alter our reality in the first place. Watching the world be deceived isn't easy, but the deception must be exposed so that people can see the kind of deceptive powers we are dealing with. The powers of darkness that have put us on a cartoon ball don't plan on stopping with this deception. There is more to come and we need to spread truth while we still can.


Share this with everyone you know to spread awareness of the lies and hidden truth.

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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on December 05, 2018, 07:40:17 am
Landing On A Transparent Moon? ✅


Fascinating Lunar Eclipse From Norway 2018 - Proof The Moon Is Not Solid - Must See !!!


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Title: Astronut going through flag
Post by: Firestarter on December 21, 2018, 11:03:27 am
Just look at the following interesting video from the Apollo 17 hoax.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk4bJqF-ZbQ

My General observations on this video are:
- Most of the video looks like it’s played in slow motion.
- There is no reason to believe that this was one continuous “take”.
- The quality (fidelity) of the footage is very low, which would make special effects much easier.

The astronauts should be conducting scientific experiments and would be on a tight schedule. I would expect them to “act” differently.

In my opinion the most damaging in this video is...
From 0:43-0:45 - First the leg of the astronaut, who is behind the flag, goes through the pole. Then the backpack goes through the flagpole and flag…
(https://archive.is/YQx89/d6aa6592f2d72fc685b27af24b5657875b394676.png)
Title: NASA Nazis - Frederick Ordway and Wernher von Braun
Post by: Firestarter on January 02, 2019, 10:04:38 am
Marcus also addresses researcher Jay Weidner's theory that Stanley Kubrick was responsible for directing fake footage of the lunar surface, and discusses the 1977 movie Capricorn One, whose plot echoes a great many elements of the story - as does a particular sequence of the James Bond movie Diamonds Are Forever.
"Nasa" is an old Hebrew word, meaning something like elevation (if I remember correctly).
If you really want to expose the NASA science fiction program I suggest you investigate the Nazis Frederick Ordway and Wernher von Braun. Some "conspiracy theorists" even claim that Von Braun was involved in the JFK assassination...
If you want to understand how science fiction stories have been used to control the masses, you could research member of the Round Table H.G. Wells.


In 2013, banker’s son Frederick Ira Ordway III (1927-2014) was awarded the Arthur C. Clarke Lifetime Achievement Award.
Ordway had been a huge fan of science fiction on space travel since he since he was 10. In 1941, Ordway became a member of the American Rocket Society, while working for Nazi Germany...
In 1950, Ordway first met science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke, who helped him to become a fellow of the British Interplanetary Society. They became long-time friends.
Ordway became a top official at NASA and worked closely with Wernher von Braun, including on the Apollo program.

In 1965, Ordway met Clarke who was working with movie director Stanley Kubrick on a science fiction movie based on his story “The Sentinel”. After Clarke called Kubrick, Ordway was swiftly asked to become the “scientific and technical advisor” to the film that became “2001: A Space Odyssey” (1968): http://web.archive.org/web/20180117075245/http://www.clarkefoundation.org/2013/10/lifetime-achievement-frederick-i-ordway-iii/


NASA’s Associate Administrator for Manned Space Flight, George Mueller, nicknamed the film’s production facilities for “2001: A Space Odyssey” - NASA East.
See from left to right NASA officials touring MGM Borehamwood during pre-production of “2001: A Space Odyssey”: Fred Ordway, Deke Slayton (astronaut), Arthur C. Clarke, anonymous NASA assistant, Stanley Kubrick, and George C. Mueller.
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Ordway wasn’t only working on the movie with NASA officials, but also with major corporations like General Electric, Bell Telephone Laboratories and IBM.
The name of the robot star of the movie “HAL” is notably only one letter removed from “IBM”.

Ordway explained about “rocket scientists”:
Quote
They all read H. G. Wells and Jules Verne. Science fiction got us all started in the early days, I think without exception.

In 1949, Arthur C. Clarke helped to make his friend Von Braun an honorary member of the British Interplanetary Society (the other parts of the following story are also worthwhile): http://thetruthseekersguide.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-stanley-kubrick-conspiracy-part-3.html
Title: Moon rocks from earth
Post by: Firestarter on February 13, 2019, 11:10:36 am
The differences in supposed moon rocks and rocks found on our earth are only slight. They’re so very slight that one could argue that the supposed moon rocks were never found on the moon but found right here on earth...

Last month it was reported that Jeremy Bellucci analysed a rock that the Apollo 14 astronuts in 1971 brought back from the moon. Bellucci and his team found out that it´s highly unlikely that the rock was indeed formed on the moon, but that it makes perfect sense that it instead formed on Earth.
What makes this discovery even more amazing, is that it has been dated older, 4.011 billion years old, than any rock that has ever been found and analysed on earth...

Even if it would be possible for a rock on earth to be ejected from the earth with an escape velocity of 40,270 km/h and landing on the moon, which is even more difficult to believe than rocks reaching an escape velocity of 8500 km/h from the moon, it would still seem impossible, statistically speaking, that an earth rock found on the moon would be older than any rock discovered on earth: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/01/earths-oldest-rock-found-on-moon-get-facts-apollo-14-zircons/
(archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20190205060306/https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/01/earths-oldest-rock-found-on-moon-get-facts-apollo-14-zircons/)


This isn´t the first time that it was discovered that a supposed moon rock, was actually an earth rock...

In August 2009, it was found out that a moon rock given to former Dutch prime minister Willem Drees by the Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 was nothing more than petrified wood.
After Drees died in 1988, the rock was donated to the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam and put on display: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html
Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on February 14, 2019, 08:34:07 am
Trump Wonders Why NASA Can't Go To The Moon or Mars



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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on March 03, 2019, 11:30:17 am
NO EXPERIMENT CAN DETECT EARTH'S MOTION - Part 1


14 minutes
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NO EXPERIMENT CAN DETECT EARTH'S MOTION - Part 2


23 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYkx68Yc9qo





NO EXPERIMENT CAN DETECT EARTH'S MOTION - Part 3


6 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYVkdyDCR84&t=13s


No experiment has ever been performed with such excruciating persistence and meticulous precision, and in every conceivable manner, than that of trying to detect and measure the motion of the Earth. Yet they have all consistently and continually yielded a velocity for the Earth of exactly ZERO mph.

The toil of thousands of exasperated researchers, in the extremely varied experiments of Arago, De Coudre's induction, Fizeau, Fresnell drag, Hoek, Jaseja's lasers, Jenkins, Klinkerfuess, Michelson-Morley interferometry, Lord Rayleigh's polarimetry, Troughton-Noble torque, and the famous 'Airy's Failure' experiment, all conclusively failed to show any rotational or translational movement for the earth, whatsoever."

"They want you to believe that the Moon's rotation is perfectly synchronized with its orbit so that's why we only ever see one side of the Moon, rather than conclude the obvious - that the Moon is simply NOT rotating. Moreover, they had to slow down the Moon's speed by 58,870 mph AND reverse its direction to West-East to successfully sell their phony heliocentricity system to a gullible public. I don't think there is one person in many, many thousands - regardless of education - who knows that the Copernican Model had to turn the Moon's observable direction around and give it a new speed to accommodate the phases and eclipses." -Marshall Hall

--- THE EARTH IS AT REST - THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT :

James Bradley was the guy to whom my countryman Ruđer Bošković (forgotten croatian genius) - during his visitation to London - proposed to conduct a decisive experiment in order to determine if the earth orbits the sun!!! Almost 100 years later (In 1871) G. B. Airy (1802-1892) implemented the verification of Bradley's aberration hypothesis proposed by Boscovich. Bošković even designed a telescope filled with water in all its components, which was implemented at the Greenwich observatory in 1871, that is, 84 years after his death.

Of course, Airy's water-filled instrument did not deliver the desired proof of the Copernican paradigm. Agreeing with somewhat similar tests already performed by Hoek and Klinkerfusz, the experiment demonstrated exactly the opposite outcome of that which had to be confidently expected. Actually the most careful measurements gave the same angle of aberration for a telescope with water as for one filled with air.

Airy put water in the telescope to test Bradley's claim that the moving Earth
caused aberration; he saw no change in aberration angle with the water
added.  This was termed a ‘failure’, since Bradley’s theory of receiver motion
predicted a change with the index of refraction – n.

CONCLUSION: The deflection of starlight known as stellar aberration is NOT due
to the Earth’s motion, but is an external bending of light before reaching the
telescope.





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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on May 26, 2019, 09:33:43 am
NASA's Next BIG LOAD of CRAP !!!


If you believe anything in this video please seek help now. MIRROR from Nasa:  https://www.youtube.com/user/NASAtele...
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We are going to the Moon, to stay, by 2024. And this is how.   

Special thanks to William Shatner for lending his voice to this project.


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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on May 26, 2019, 09:36:14 am
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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on May 26, 2019, 09:38:48 am
Israel's Moon Landing - small country BIG LIES! ✞


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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: LX200 on May 26, 2019, 01:23:06 pm
Interesting stuff patrick.
Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: Robin on May 27, 2019, 01:50:11 pm
Hahaha, I can still post on your crappy little forum. Real cute making a fake sock puppet of my account. I don't know where the cardboard box you call a home is located, but I hope it's in the midwest right in the path of the next tornado.
Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on May 27, 2019, 03:39:48 pm
It's possible Robin and welcome. Thanks for joining. How did you find us? Remember that just last week NASA announced we're going back to the moon by 2024 to STAY !!! So, that will be the "New Face" for the next generation. The globe is losing though because 35% of Millennials believe in the flat earth.






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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: MichaelC on May 31, 2019, 03:44:50 am
Howdy Patrick!

I am  answering an email that you sent.  I can believe the Earth is a sphere, which is where my heart lies, because of certain experiences that I've had during my life.  I can't say that you are wrong though, because it is possible that you are right and I am not.  I haven't pondered the subject enough, to be fair.  Doesn't really matter to me, though.  I just enjoy chatting with you and you're a very enjoyable, and sincere person.

May God Be There When You Look Over Your Shoulder!

Michael
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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: truthjourney on May 31, 2019, 06:01:39 am
BUZZ ALDRIN REVEALS the MOON LANDING TRUTH!

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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: truthjourney on May 31, 2019, 06:11:18 am
Trump Wonders Why NASA Can't Go To The Moon or Mars



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Maybe he needs to have a talk with Buzz Aldrin.
Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: MichaelC on June 01, 2019, 08:40:11 pm
Hey PJ and TJ,

There is some interesting info here.  I will have to look at it and read it more closely.  I have to find time to watch the videos.  Today, I have to go and get some canned cat food from Petsmart.  It's kind of far.  Then, I've got to make dinner and eat.  We're having Filet Mignons and a nice salad.  It will take me a while to put the salad together.  I've also got to put the new aquarium filter in the tank.  It is for a 90-gal. tank.  I put two of them in my aquarium to keep it extra-clean.

Tomorrow, I am going to try to see my nephew who is in the hospital.  He has a pulmonary embolism and they are giving him strong blood thinners to see if that will help.  I think, otherwise, they will have to take it out of his lung during an operation.  I am also going to watch Bohemian Rhapsody on DVD, which I rented on Fri.  I have it now so that I can watch it without it being unavailable at Walmart.

So. I will try to check out videos here ASAP.  I've watched one and it was pretty interesting.  But, I have to see more videos, yet.

Well, I've got to run now to the store.  They close in an hour.

Much Love Brothers,

Michael



Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on August 12, 2019, 01:36:02 pm
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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on August 12, 2019, 01:43:26 pm
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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: Bladerunner on August 12, 2019, 08:19:15 pm
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My grandfather told me we never went to the moon when happened in the sixtys.

Blade
Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: MichaelC on August 13, 2019, 08:58:25 pm
Dear patrick & blade,

I was told here that I don't have to believe in a flat earth when I subscribed to this Forum.  I do not believe the Earth is flat, nor do I believe that all of the other planets are flat.  If you want to be rid of me, fine.

You don't realize the strength of the great effect of gravity holding the oceans magnetically to the Earth.  The water in them can conduct electricity, just like all of us.  If it's God's Will that He has made them all spheres, then you can understand further how Great He is.

You figure that we are flat here on Earth, and that the Sun, Moon, Venus, etc. are also flat.  Why do you doubt His Power to do this with spheres instead??  I don't know if we made it to the Moon, but I do believe that we did.  I also believe our cameras have taken pictures of the other planets involved and found them to also be spheres.  What about the tectonic plates on moving our land?

Why do the constellations move constantly with the changes in seasons?  Why is it that our satellites/ drones photograph the Earth and they don't show all of the countries in one photo?  Why can't they take a picture of the Earth with ALL of the countries showing on the flat Earth??

I think that Satan has got you all confused badly and no one wants to say anything.  That is how he screws up the wonder of how God has created each planet and star.  You think that the Sun just goes across a Flat Earth??  Where does it go when it sinks below the Flat Earth?  Underneath the Flat Earth?  Also, how about the moon?

The core of the Earth is exceedingly an enormous magnet.  God's Wisdom and Power is greater than some men can perceive, I guess.  I was told by the Lord that the Earth has a Center and a Top, but no Bottom.  That is how the Center of the Earth is also called the Bottomless Pit.  The Earth has no bottom, because it only has a top and a center.

How does the Earth reel to and fro if it's flat?  We are told in the Bible that it will happen when the Latter days come.  We are here, in the latter days right now.  If the Earth moves at a great speed for us to comprehend, why does it mean that it doesn't.  The other planets move slower because their circumference around the Sun is a greater distance to the max.

The uppermost center of the Earth is flowing with molten lava and magma.  Is it under our Flat Earth and our Earth is flat enough, but also thick enough to create the pressure and force up the magma stored in the Earth.  Don't you realize that the Earth's crust is so under pressure from the magnetic properties that it gets so pressurized.  This causes the lava to spew out of certain weak holes in the Earth and make volcanoes.

Hey, I do love you all very much and I hope that you will let me have my own beliefs
without shunning me here.  Of course, you can have your beliefs, also.  I do not want to debate this subject, because I have enough to do.  I am swamped with work to do all day.  I have work to do with Facebook, Twitter, my websites, and 2 Forums, plus all of my regular email.  I have reached over 75,000 persons on just one of my websites.  Then, I have tons of work to do around the house taking care of it and feeding it's occupants, including four cats.

I can imagine that you don't want me here now, but I have kept quiet long enough.  I don't understand how you can believe what you do, except for Daft Dave serving it up  with the whole thing.  How Thick is this flat Earth?  Is China supposed to be on  the Bottom side of the Flat Earth?  What kind of gravity keeps the bottom of the Earth intact if it is flat?  The Flat Earth is thick or deep enough for us to mine for oil and other things?  How deep does this flat earth have to be?  Well, I'm going.

With Concern For You All & With Lots Of Love,

Michael

P.S.  If I didn't love you all so much, I would keep my lips sealed and say nothing.  Just like if you had bad breath.

Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: patrick jane on October 31, 2019, 01:53:51 pm
Dear patrick & blade,

I was told here that I don't have to believe in a flat earth when I subscribed to this Forum.  I do not believe the Earth is flat, nor do I believe that all of the other planets are flat.  If you want to be rid of me, fine.

You don't realize the strength of the great effect of gravity holding the oceans magnetically to the Earth.  The water in them can conduct electricity, just like all of us.  If it's God's Will that He has made them all spheres, then you can understand further how Great He is.

You figure that we are flat here on Earth, and that the Sun, Moon, Venus, etc. are also flat.  Why do you doubt His Power to do this with spheres instead??  I don't know if we made it to the Moon, but I do believe that we did.  I also believe our cameras have taken pictures of the other planets involved and found them to also be spheres.  What about the tectonic plates on moving our land?

Why do the constellations move constantly with the changes in seasons?  Why is it that our satellites/ drones photograph the Earth and they don't show all of the countries in one photo?  Why can't they take a picture of the Earth with ALL of the countries showing on the flat Earth??

I think that Satan has got you all confused badly and no one wants to say anything.  That is how he screws up the wonder of how God has created each planet and star.  You think that the Sun just goes across a Flat Earth??  Where does it go when it sinks below the Flat Earth?  Underneath the Flat Earth?  Also, how about the moon?

The core of the Earth is exceedingly an enormous magnet.  God's Wisdom and Power is greater than some men can perceive, I guess.  I was told by the Lord that the Earth has a Center and a Top, but no Bottom.  That is how the Center of the Earth is also called the Bottomless Pit.  The Earth has no bottom, because it only has a top and a center.

How does the Earth reel to and fro if it's flat?  We are told in the Bible that it will happen when the Latter days come.  We are here, in the latter days right now.  If the Earth moves at a great speed for us to comprehend, why does it mean that it doesn't.  The other planets move slower because their circumference around the Sun is a greater distance to the max.

The uppermost center of the Earth is flowing with molten lava and magma.  Is it under our Flat Earth and our Earth is flat enough, but also thick enough to create the pressure and force up the magma stored in the Earth.  Don't you realize that the Earth's crust is so under pressure from the magnetic properties that it gets so pressurized.  This causes the lava to spew out of certain weak holes in the Earth and make volcanoes.

Hey, I do love you all very much and I hope that you will let me have my own beliefs
without shunning me here.  Of course, you can have your beliefs, also.  I do not want to debate this subject, because I have enough to do.  I am swamped with work to do all day.  I have work to do with Facebook, Twitter, my websites, and 2 Forums, plus all of my regular email.  I have reached over 75,000 persons on just one of my websites.  Then, I have tons of work to do around the house taking care of it and feeding it's occupants, including four cats.

I can imagine that you don't want me here now, but I have kept quiet long enough.  I don't understand how you can believe what you do, except for Daft Dave serving it up  with the whole thing.  How Thick is this flat Earth?  Is China supposed to be on  the Bottom side of the Flat Earth?  What kind of gravity keeps the bottom of the Earth intact if it is flat?  The Flat Earth is thick or deep enough for us to mine for oil and other things?  How deep does this flat earth have to be?  Well, I'm going.

With Concern For You All & With Lots Of Love,

Michael

P.S.  If I didn't love you all so much, I would keep my lips sealed and say nothing.  Just like if you had bad breath.
Michael, if you read the Bible accurately you will see that the earth NEVER moves except when God is angry and God does it Himself. Nothing else except God will ever move the earth. Every other "problem" you see with the flat and enclosed earth and cosmos that the Bible clearly describes is easily refuted and explained in detail.








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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: Bladerunner on November 01, 2019, 10:45:53 am
Dear patrick & blade,

I was told here that I don't have to believe in a flat earth when I subscribed to this Forum.  I do not believe the Earth is flat, nor do I believe that all of the other planets are flat.  If you want to be rid of me, fine.

You don't realize the strength of the great effect of gravity holding the oceans magnetically to the Earth.  The water in them can conduct electricity, just like all of us.  If it's God's Will that He has made them all spheres, then you can understand further how Great He is.

You figure that we are flat here on Earth, and that the Sun, Moon, Venus, etc. are also flat.  Why do you doubt His Power to do this with spheres instead??  I don't know if we made it to the Moon, but I do believe that we did.  I also believe our cameras have taken pictures of the other planets involved and found them to also be spheres.  What about the tectonic plates on moving our land?

Why do the constellations move constantly with the changes in seasons?  Why is it that our satellites/ drones photograph the Earth and they don't show all of the countries in one photo?  Why can't they take a picture of the Earth with ALL of the countries showing on the flat Earth??

I think that Satan has got you all confused badly and no one wants to say anything.  That is how he screws up the wonder of how God has created each planet and star.  You think that the Sun just goes across a Flat Earth??  Where does it go when it sinks below the Flat Earth?  Underneath the Flat Earth?  Also, how about the moon?

The core of the Earth is exceedingly an enormous magnet.  God's Wisdom and Power is greater than some men can perceive, I guess.  I was told by the Lord that the Earth has a Center and a Top, but no Bottom.  That is how the Center of the Earth is also called the Bottomless Pit.  The Earth has no bottom, because it only has a top and a center.

How does the Earth reel to and fro if it's flat?  We are told in the Bible that it will happen when the Latter days come.  We are here, in the latter days right now.  If the Earth moves at a great speed for us to comprehend, why does it mean that it doesn't.  The other planets move slower because their circumference around the Sun is a greater distance to the max.

The uppermost center of the Earth is flowing with molten lava and magma.  Is it under our Flat Earth and our Earth is flat enough, but also thick enough to create the pressure and force up the magma stored in the Earth.  Don't you realize that the Earth's crust is so under pressure from the magnetic properties that it gets so pressurized.  This causes the lava to spew out of certain weak holes in the Earth and make volcanoes.

Hey, I do love you all very much and I hope that you will let me have my own beliefs
without shunning me here.  Of course, you can have your beliefs, also.  I do not want to debate this subject, because I have enough to do.  I am swamped with work to do all day.  I have work to do with Facebook, Twitter, my websites, and 2 Forums, plus all of my regular email.  I have reached over 75,000 persons on just one of my websites.  Then, I have tons of work to do around the house taking care of it and feeding it's occupants, including four cats.

I can imagine that you don't want me here now, but I have kept quiet long enough.  I don't understand how you can believe what you do, except for Daft Dave serving it up  with the whole thing.  How Thick is this flat Earth?  Is China supposed to be on  the Bottom side of the Flat Earth?  What kind of gravity keeps the bottom of the Earth intact if it is flat?  The Flat Earth is thick or deep enough for us to mine for oil and other things?  How deep does this flat earth have to be?  Well, I'm going.

With Concern For You All & With Lots Of Love,

Michael

P.S.  If I didn't love you all so much, I would keep my lips sealed and say nothing.  Just like if you had bad breath.
Michael, if you read the Bible accurately you will see that the earth NEVER moves except when God is angry and God does it Himself. Nothing else except God will ever move the earth. Every other "problem" you see with the flat and enclosed earth and cosmos that the Bible clearly describes is easily refuted and explained in detail.








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Gravity is something NOBODY has found or can prove.

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Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: sneakydove on November 01, 2019, 12:39:28 pm
Dear patrick & blade,

I was told here that I don't have to believe in a flat earth when I subscribed to this Forum.  I do not believe the Earth is flat, nor do I believe that all of the other planets are flat.  If you want to be rid of me, fine.

Hi there MichaelC. I'm not the one you're addressing, but I might be able to help you answer some of your questions.

Quote
You don't realize the strength of the great effect of gravity holding the oceans magnetically to the Earth.  The water in them can conduct electricity, just like all of us.  If it's God's Will that He has made them all spheres, then you can understand further how Great He is.

Gravity, in particular Newton's Universal Gravitation, is only proven under the assumption that the Earth is spherical.

Quote
You figure that we are flat here on Earth, and that the Sun, Moon, Venus, etc. are also flat.  Why do you doubt His Power to do this with spheres instead??  I don't know if we made it to the Moon, but I do believe that we did.  I also believe our cameras have taken pictures of the other planets involved and found them to also be spheres.  What about the tectonic plates on moving our land?

Which is more in accord with what you believe on this topic of spheres: The wisdom of God or the wisdom of Men? Who are more adamant in proclaiming them to be spheres?

Here is what I suspect is true of the matter: Space does not exist. The sky above our heads is a great crystal-glass dome containing water in which the lights of heaven spin. God's throne rests above the seat of the north. All of the "stars" and "planets" and even perhaps the Sun and Moon are about the same distance away from us. Light from the heavens/firmament refracts through the waters/crystal. The "stars" and "planets" are not necessarily spheres but are best described as "lights." Can the stars fall to earth as described in Revelation if they are not above the earth?

If the photographs of the planets are not photographs, then NASA is involved in creating things in the likeness of things in the heaven, in direct violation of the 2nd commandment:

Quote
Quote from: Exodus 20:4
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

I might even suggest that NASA serves them, creating and enforcing belief in them. I would say that this commandment exists for this very reason; to prevent the worship of other gods. In this case nongods or the god of forces; Gravity.

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Why do the constellations move constantly with the changes in seasons?  Why is it that our satellites/ drones photograph the Earth and they don't show all of the countries in one photo?  Why can't they take a picture of the Earth with ALL of the countries showing on the flat Earth??

Question 1: Why can you see the same stars year round if every six months the Earth is supposed to be on the other side of the Sun? Question 2: Two answers: Because they can't and also because they want to maintain the lie. Question 3: Again, because that view is reserved for God and even if they could they would not want you to see that as it would disprove their lie and the atheistic masses would suddenly find out creation is true.

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I think that Satan has got you all confused badly and no one wants to say anything.  That is how he screws up the wonder of how God has created each planet and star.  You think that the Sun just goes across a Flat Earth??  Where does it go when it sinks below the Flat Earth?  Underneath the Flat Earth?  Also, how about the moon?

Your questions are valid only if space still exists. It does not. For all our practical purposes, the Earth, the oceans, and everything under the Sun is all that materially exists. You are attempting to disprove a model of the world we don't claim to believe in. It's a malicious misunderstanding aka a straw man. Not that you are responsible for this misunderstanding, but rather it is those who initially taught this myth that are.

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The core of the Earth is exceedingly an enormous magnet.  God's Wisdom and Power is greater than some men can perceive, I guess.  I was told by the Lord that the Earth has a Center and a Top, but no Bottom.  That is how the Center of the Earth is also called the Bottomless Pit.  The Earth has no bottom, because it only has a top and a center.

Molten metal cannot be magnetic. I agree with, "God's Wisdom and Power is greater than some men can perceive, I guess." Center can mean both a center of a plane and a center of a sphere.

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How does the Earth reel to and fro if it's flat?  We are told in the Bible that it will happen when the Latter days come.  We are here, in the latter days right now.  If the Earth moves at a great speed for us to comprehend, why does it mean that it doesn't.  The other planets move slower because their circumference around the Sun is a greater distance to the max.

If the Earth moves as much as contemporary science (or "science falsely so called" -1Tim 6:20), then it is already moving to and fro around the sun.

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The uppermost center of the Earth is flowing with molten lava and magma.  Is it under our Flat Earth and our Earth is flat enough, but also thick enough to create the pressure and force up the magma stored in the Earth.  Don't you realize that the Earth's crust is so under pressure from the magnetic properties that it gets so pressurized.  This causes the lava to spew out of certain weak holes in the Earth and make volcanoes.

The deepest ever dug is only about 8 miles. Kola superdeep borehole. If I recall right, they found water. You keep repeating contemporary science talking points as though we might be unaware of them. Indeed not. We would have had to de-brainwash ourselves of them.

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Hey, I do love you all very much and I hope that you will let me have my own beliefs
without shunning me here.  Of course, you can have your beliefs, also.  I do not want to debate this subject, because I have enough to do.  I am swamped with work to do all day.  I have work to do with Facebook, Twitter, my websites, and 2 Forums, plus all of my regular email.  I have reached over 75,000 persons on just one of my websites.  Then, I have tons of work to do around the house taking care of it and feeding it's occupants, including four cats.

Love you to! I get that you're busy. You don't have to debate, but you will probably hear our side of things if you stick around here long enough.

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I can imagine that you don't want me here now, but I have kept quiet long enough.  I don't understand how you can believe what you do, except for Daft Dave serving it up  with the whole thing.  How Thick is this flat Earth?  Is China supposed to be on  the Bottom side of the Flat Earth?  What kind of gravity keeps the bottom of the Earth intact if it is flat?  The Flat Earth is thick or deep enough for us to mine for oil and other things?  How deep does this flat earth have to be?  Well, I'm going.

Feel free to stick around. You came here in the first place for a reason, I'm sure. Indeed you don't understand how we can believe it. I'll tell you the bit of choice fact that helped convince me there was something worth looking into.  The tilt of the earth is 66.6 degrees off the horizontal. At ten miles, the Earth is supposed to have curved 66.6... feet away from you, at a hundred miles 666.666... feet away from you. The earth's average speed is exactly 66,600 miles per hour around the sun. Something about these numbers made me think, "Something's not quite right." And so, I looked into it further with the possibility that the globe was wrong. Then I discovered that proof that the world is a globe was very scant and easily had other explanations. I discovered that things that supposedly vanished over the curve could be brought back with a strong zoom. I began to recognize that gravity was based on the model of the globe, and if it was founded with that assumption and that assumption was false, then it is a lie, built atop a foundation of sand.

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With Concern For You All & With Lots Of Love,

Michael

P.S.  If I didn't love you all so much, I would keep my lips sealed and say nothing.  Just like if you had bad breath.

Finding out the world was flat completely dismantled what little faith I had left in men and cemented my faith in the Lord. I do hope you investigate. And by that investigate the claims of the globe model. Prove all things, keep that which is true.
Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: Bladerunner on November 02, 2019, 08:54:34 pm
Dear patrick & blade,

I was told here that I don't have to believe in a flat earth when I subscribed to this Forum.  I do not believe the Earth is flat, nor do I believe that all of the other planets are flat.  If you want to be rid of me, fine.

Hi there MichaelC. I'm not the one you're addressing, but I might be able to help you answer some of your questions.

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You don't realize the strength of the great effect of gravity holding the oceans magnetically to the Earth.  The water in them can conduct electricity, just like all of us.  If it's God's Will that He has made them all spheres, then you can understand further how Great He is.

Gravity, in particular Newton's Universal Gravitation, is only proven under the assumption that the Earth is spherical.

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You figure that we are flat here on Earth, and that the Sun, Moon, Venus, etc. are also flat.  Why do you doubt His Power to do this with spheres instead??  I don't know if we made it to the Moon, but I do believe that we did.  I also believe our cameras have taken pictures of the other planets involved and found them to also be spheres.  What about the tectonic plates on moving our land?

Which is more in accord with what you believe on this topic of spheres: The wisdom of God or the wisdom of Men? Who are more adamant in proclaiming them to be spheres?

Here is what I suspect is true of the matter: Space does not exist. The sky above our heads is a great crystal-glass dome containing water in which the lights of heaven spin. God's throne rests above the seat of the north. All of the "stars" and "planets" and even perhaps the Sun and Moon are about the same distance away from us. Light from the heavens/firmament refracts through the waters/crystal. The "stars" and "planets" are not necessarily spheres but are best described as "lights." Can the stars fall to earth as described in Revelation if they are not above the earth?

If the photographs of the planets are not photographs, then NASA is involved in creating things in the likeness of things in the heaven, in direct violation of the 2nd commandment:

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Quote from: Exodus 20:4
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

I might even suggest that NASA serves them, creating and enforcing belief in them. I would say that this commandment exists for this very reason; to prevent the worship of other gods. In this case nongods or the god of forces; Gravity.

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Why do the constellations move constantly with the changes in seasons?  Why is it that our satellites/ drones photograph the Earth and they don't show all of the countries in one photo?  Why can't they take a picture of the Earth with ALL of the countries showing on the flat Earth??

Question 1: Why can you see the same stars year round if every six months the Earth is supposed to be on the other side of the Sun? Question 2: Two answers: Because they can't and also because they want to maintain the lie. Question 3: Again, because that view is reserved for God and even if they could they would not want you to see that as it would disprove their lie and the atheistic masses would suddenly find out creation is true.

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I think that Satan has got you all confused badly and no one wants to say anything.  That is how he screws up the wonder of how God has created each planet and star.  You think that the Sun just goes across a Flat Earth??  Where does it go when it sinks below the Flat Earth?  Underneath the Flat Earth?  Also, how about the moon?

Your questions are valid only if space still exists. It does not. For all our practical purposes, the Earth, the oceans, and everything under the Sun is all that materially exists. You are attempting to disprove a model of the world we don't claim to believe in. It's a malicious misunderstanding aka a straw man. Not that you are responsible for this misunderstanding, but rather it is those who initially taught this myth that are.

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The core of the Earth is exceedingly an enormous magnet.  God's Wisdom and Power is greater than some men can perceive, I guess.  I was told by the Lord that the Earth has a Center and a Top, but no Bottom.  That is how the Center of the Earth is also called the Bottomless Pit.  The Earth has no bottom, because it only has a top and a center.

Molten metal cannot be magnetic. I agree with, "God's Wisdom and Power is greater than some men can perceive, I guess." Center can mean both a center of a plane and a center of a sphere.

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How does the Earth reel to and fro if it's flat?  We are told in the Bible that it will happen when the Latter days come.  We are here, in the latter days right now.  If the Earth moves at a great speed for us to comprehend, why does it mean that it doesn't.  The other planets move slower because their circumference around the Sun is a greater distance to the max.

If the Earth moves as much as contemporary science (or "science falsely so called" -1Tim 6:20), then it is already moving to and fro around the sun.

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The uppermost center of the Earth is flowing with molten lava and magma.  Is it under our Flat Earth and our Earth is flat enough, but also thick enough to create the pressure and force up the magma stored in the Earth.  Don't you realize that the Earth's crust is so under pressure from the magnetic properties that it gets so pressurized.  This causes the lava to spew out of certain weak holes in the Earth and make volcanoes.

The deepest ever dug is only about 8 miles. Kola superdeep borehole. If I recall right, they found water. You keep repeating contemporary science talking points as though we might be unaware of them. Indeed not. We would have had to de-brainwash ourselves of them.

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Hey, I do love you all very much and I hope that you will let me have my own beliefs
without shunning me here.  Of course, you can have your beliefs, also.  I do not want to debate this subject, because I have enough to do.  I am swamped with work to do all day.  I have work to do with Facebook, Twitter, my websites, and 2 Forums, plus all of my regular email.  I have reached over 75,000 persons on just one of my websites.  Then, I have tons of work to do around the house taking care of it and feeding it's occupants, including four cats.

Love you to! I get that you're busy. You don't have to debate, but you will probably hear our side of things if you stick around here long enough.

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I can imagine that you don't want me here now, but I have kept quiet long enough.  I don't understand how you can believe what you do, except for Daft Dave serving it up  with the whole thing.  How Thick is this flat Earth?  Is China supposed to be on  the Bottom side of the Flat Earth?  What kind of gravity keeps the bottom of the Earth intact if it is flat?  The Flat Earth is thick or deep enough for us to mine for oil and other things?  How deep does this flat earth have to be?  Well, I'm going.

Feel free to stick around. You came here in the first place for a reason, I'm sure. Indeed you don't understand how we can believe it. I'll tell you the bit of choice fact that helped convince me there was something worth looking into.  The tilt of the earth is 66.6 degrees off the horizontal. At ten miles, the Earth is supposed to have curved 66.6... feet away from you, at a hundred miles 666.666... feet away from you. The earth's average speed is exactly 66,600 miles per hour around the sun. Something about these numbers made me think, "Something's not quite right." And so, I looked into it further with the possibility that the globe was wrong. Then I discovered that proof that the world is a globe was very scant and easily had other explanations. I discovered that things that supposedly vanished over the curve could be brought back with a strong zoom. I began to recognize that gravity was based on the model of the globe, and if it was founded with that assumption and that assumption was false, then it is a lie, built atop a foundation of sand.

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With Concern For You All & With Lots Of Love,

Michael

P.S.  If I didn't love you all so much, I would keep my lips sealed and say nothing.  Just like if you had bad breath.

Finding out the world was flat completely dismantled what little faith I had left in men and cemented my faith in the Lord. I do hope you investigate. And by that investigate the claims of the globe model. Prove all things, keep that which is true.

Good evening sneakydove. I hope this finds you well today.

NO, you do not have to believe the Earth is Flat to be in this forum!!!!!
 
What we do best is help with the Bible (KJV) and GOD's WORD.

God's Word (every Syllable) is pure and true and if we follow it, all will be known when  we are with Him (Jesus) in heaven.

Here I can debate and/or help you with God's Sovereignty over man's evil finality.

Again, welcome to FFE, I hope you enjoy your stay.

Blade
Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: MichaelC on November 05, 2019, 06:35:53 pm
Dear Sneakydove,

I read all of your post and commend you for your hard work typing it here.  I hope that you will understand that I cannot go into your post's depth as much as I'd like because of time limitations.  I will do my best here.  I also do not know how to answer you paragraph by paragraph, so I have to answer you in general.  Do you know what I mean?

The Earth is a sphere because, as the Earth compresses on itself, it condenses and forces the circular sphere to keep growing tighter and tighter together, because being a circle, it locks together very tight indeed.  It can only compress only so much that the shape of a sphere cannot be drawn inward so much more.  Volcanoes and earthquakes solve the pressure emanating from being a condensed sphere.

The magnetism and gravity of the Earth are resultant of a circle condensed solidly around a core.  Where do we get magnetism?  This compressing of the land and sea around the circumference of the Earth causes the great heat at the center.  If the Earth didn't have moving plates, the Earth would compress upon itself.

I doubt that we have tons of flat heavenly bodies that we call planets, stars, and black holes strewn throughout the Universe.  But it is according to what each of us believes.

The light from the stars is caused by the energy from God's spirit within them, just like Jesus' soul/ spirit glowed during His transfiguration.  This is what I was told.  God's spirit does have a lot of energy in it.  This energy gives off great light.

The result of the spheres compressing on themselves causes heat.  I don't know how else to explain this to you right now because I am out of time.  Will chat with you again soon.

I will tell you though, that the Lord told me about the bottomless pit being hell, that the Earth was round, and there would be no bottomless pit if the Earth was flat.  Well, He just told me that Earth was a sphere when He told me about hell being the bottomless pit and where that pit was.  It was a shocking revelation from Him, to say the least.  It's up to you to believe what you want to, of course.

Okay, got to run.  It's been a life for me so far.  May God Increase Your Love Considerably!!

Michael

Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: sneakydove on November 10, 2019, 07:59:48 pm
@Blade:  Thanks! 

@Michael:  I know all about volcanoes and gravity and the stars are also suns and other planets and NASA and everything like that.  That stuff helped to deceive me away from Christ. I grew up loosely Anglican.  I went to a Christian summer camp which thankfully gave me something of a grounding.  But everything I was learning in school was contrary to what was here.  Even though I was at a Christian camp I never really understood the gospel. 

Then it's off to University with all sorts of sins and temptations everywhere and nobody thinks the bible is good for anything, bar one or two people in my immediate circle.  Whatever the case, I have a crisis of faith and start looking for other books.  I end up going into science texts.  However I seem to see errors there that others don't, but since everybody seems to agree on this stuff I'll go along with it, but mostly I just follow Sci-Fi.

Then I have an encounter with truly evil occulted stuff going on in very close proximity to where I live.  I brush it off, but within six months things get very weird.  Now I'm suddenly deep into conspiracies and lo and be hold, thanks to my encounter, I discover that there are actual evil people in the world, and more than that devils and unclean spirits and etcetera are actually real things.  I repent and ask Jesus into my heart.  I broke out into cold sweats and there was some other presence inside me that did not like what was happening.  It was soon over and I'm in a cold sweat wondering what just happened?

So now I have a far more direct experience that yes, God and Jesus and the Bible are definitely real and so then I try to reconcile that with what I (think) I know of the world.  I try mushing science into the Bible.  Things aren't fitting and just don't make sense.  Eventually after a rough week spiritually speaking I pray and say something to the effect of, "God, I trust you.  I don't understand what's going on, but I trust you.  If there's anything else for me to see and tell others about, let me see it if you're willing."  The next day, I see a flat earth video.  I think, Yeah, why not.  I watch it. 

Well now, this makes actual sense and accords with the Bible!  The sun and the moon are the same size. They are not material objects but are lights.  The earth was made before the sun and the moon.  The flood could be real.  Evolution absolutely cannot be!  It makes for a very swift "don't let the door kick you on the way out" type of exit from strict Materialism and into Biblical Literalism.  I then understood what it means when Jesus tells us we must be like children.  I tried bringing all of my understanding of the world and things just didn't mesh.  I had to start my mind and world view totally afresh. 

I'm not the only one either.  Flat earth as a concept has booted many an Atheist or otherwise Materialist swiftly into the arms of The Lord.  The channel The Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction has a good video on that which I can link to you if you are willing to make time to watch it. The argument that if the tree bears good fruit goes along way if it's drawing people to Jesus rather than away from Him.

Normally I debate these sorts of topics with atheists in the hopes it will make them analyze what effectively amounts to their holy books in the form of Newton's Principia, Einstein's General Relativity, or anything by Carl Sagan.  Broaching these subjects with Christians I thought would be easier as I would have to spend less of my Humanities background learning mathematical engineering concepts just to talk with these guys and more time with actual textual analysis or even just a few simple Bible verses.  Of course, as I can see from the efforts of others, it's not that simple.

That said, I don't think Flat Earth is entirely a salvational issue, however I don't have much truck in the theology of anyone who doesn't entertain it and still follows the Anti-Gospel of Jet Propulsion Labs and NASA (which was run by a practicing satanist if you're wondering.) 

As an aside, I'm a natural typist and wordsmith so don't think my typing a lot of words necessarily takes me a great deal of effort.  It's one of those gifts God's allowed me to have.

Cheers Michael.  I understand your time is precious and I don't really feel I need to convince you.  Just know that when you try to talk the flat earth out of me you're not getting anywhere.  Once you know the truth, you don't let it go.  If you find that sentiment offensive, that I don't consider the globe to be the truth, why?
Title: Re: We Never Went To The Moon - Fake NASA
Post by: MichaelC on November 11, 2019, 08:02:42 pm
Dear Sneakydove,

I can't answer you completely today, but wanted to say that the Lord can stop the rotation of the Earth for long enough to help Joshua.  God can certainly do that.  Will chat soon, hopefully tomorrow or so.  I will probably add to this post ASAP.  Thanks!


Hey Sneakydove,

I have some time tonight, so I'll post a little.  What I'd like to know is how deep or thick is this Flat Earth?  How is extreme pressure built up so much that it has to release and spew out of the Earth, if there is no gravity.  A round Earth means that gravity is constantly trying to pull the top of the sphere toward or into the middle.

Being a sphere, the crust gets extreme resistance upon itself, because a sphere compacting upon itself is where the Pressure begins and a sphere has nowhere to go if it is sinking towards it's center.  Things stabilize by the Earth coming inward and also flying outward while it spins so fast.

A sphere is round and so it cannot go anywhere inward.  Spheres can't contract because they have no spacers anywhere.  The sidewalk can expand and contract to ease it's problems of winter and summer.  Do you know what I am saying here?  That's why a round circumference stays the same and doesn't cave in on itself.

I was told that the center of the Earth was the bottomless pit, or Hell.  It is very hot there because of the compacting and pressure of Earth trying to fall back into it's center, caused by strong gravity.  If gravity is strong enough to move the ocean tides, than we must realize that gravity exists on the Earth and also the Moon.  It's the moon that moves the waves by it rotating on the Earth.

How about Saturn being a sphere, also?  Does it have only constant fixed rainbows or are they rings instead?  It Saturn is a sphere, then why not the Earth?  If you go far to the East of Earth, why don't you drop off the shelf of it?  Why don't we hear about persons taking a step too far over the edge of the Flat Earth and falling?

A pit on a Flat Earth would have a bottom if it were flat.  Why does the Lord God say instead, the 'bottomless' pit?  A pit on a Flat Earth would have a bottom.  But, being a sphere, the bottom is instead a 'center' and the top of the Earth is the top, where everyone is living.  Where is the End or most West land on the Earth before ending and which country is there to butt up to another country?  Why does a ship sailing West not fall off the edge of the land, if it is Flat?  Where does that ship go?  When does West end??  Where does East end?  How come we can keep traveling around the Earth without coming to the Edge?

The Moon creates gravity on the ocean waves so that they are rushing.  The moon circling the Earth makes the tides move a certain way.  The Earth must be moving with tons of gravity in the center, to spin around, which throws water and land on the circumference outward and slings whatever is on top outward from the spinning around.  Strong gravity from the Earth's iron core is magnetically locking the Earthly magnet to compact with great force.

If this was a Flat Earth, why would there be any gravity at all?  There would be no sphere trying to compact upon itself and so no extraordinary friction or great heat at the center would even matter.  Why do we see countries continuing as we travel West and we never fall off the Flat Earth or the sea.  The sea conducts electricity or magnetism and stays where it is because of gravity and the magnetic core.

Which countries are located on each Edge of this Flat Earth?  How do we continue to travel West endlessly without falling off?  What is there, gravity underneath the Flat Earth?  How is it created to travel from country to country back to the same country that you passed earlier if it is flat and not round?  Why do we see different views of the countries according to a picture that is produced by a satellite?  Why can't the satellite take one picture that includes all of the countries and seas of the World in one pose?

How deep is the ground on this Flat Earth?  If it is deep or not deep, and it is not round, then it must be like a humongous rectangle or box.  It must have a flat bottom, unless it has a semicircular bottom.  You see how the pressure and gravity increases as you travel further down in the ocean.  The water starts crushing in on your body to where it is a final destruction.  That is gravity and the heaviness of the water.

I could go on with more, most likely, but this will have to do for starters.  Let me know what you think.  Someone is not playing with a full deck here.  God could make the Earth be a sphere, for He is spectacular and quite able to do it.  Or He could make it Flat, but how would there be a bottomless pit in the center, not a top or bottom.  Without gravity, how does the feather and snow, or hail, fall from the top of the air above to the ground?  What makes 'down' the way that things should fall?  There Must be gravity.  How does this gravity exist in the first place?

Hey, I could go on, but I digress.  I want to know what you think of this info. 

Michael