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Title: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: Grace_Accepted on February 11, 2019, 07:59:04 pm
Have you ever thought about time.  Each of us only can view a millisecond of it at a time.  Like a projector flipping still pictures on a screen it creates the appearance of motion.

What causes things, all things to exist in the moment we experience them?  Do they exist a millisecond from now?  Do they continue to exist after we have viewed them and are on to the next frame?

Time is measured by change.  When things change very little time rushes by but when there is great change time seems much longer.  That is why when we are kids time seemed like forever but as we matured and changes in our lives slowed down, time seems to rush by.

What if beings were in the time stream a second ahead of us?  We would be aware of them. We could witness any residuals of their actions and see them in their past.  They would not be aware of us.  If they entered the time stream behind us, we would be unaware of them but they could witness our past.

Any way, it is just a thought...angles perhaps...maybe?
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on February 11, 2019, 08:22:56 pm
Have you ever thought about time.  Each of us only can view a millisecond of it at a time.  Like a projector flipping still pictures on a screen it creates the appearance of motion.

What causes things, all things to exist in the moment we experience them?  Do they exist a millisecond from now?  Do they continue to exist after we have viewed them and are on to the next frame?

Time is measured by change.  When things change very little time rushes by but when there is great change time seems much longer.  That is why when we are kids time seemed like forever but as we matured and changes in our lives slowed down, time seems to rush by.

What if beings were in the time stream a second ahead of us?  We would be aware of them. We could witness any residuals of their actions and see them in their past.  They would not be aware of us.  If they entered the time stream behind us, we would be unaware of them but they could witness our past.

Any way, it is just a thought...angles perhaps...maybe?
I kind of obsess over time. I have shaped my life so that I have the absolute most possible free time in the history of all times, Hah !!! No, but seriously, ever since I got tired of my first job when I was 15 at the Fireworks City massive tent, I realized that MY TIME is what I value most of all worldly things. I agree with your observations of time moving slower at times and faster at others. My friend Greg and I were about 13 and just started smoking weed that fall before and it was now Winter and bitter cold with a good amount of snow.

We had built a clubhouse by the creek in the woods behind our friend Tony's house fro wood he stole at a construction site when he snuck out in his parents' car. He was a year younger than us but anyway, on this particular day it we me and Greg and the creek was frozen solid. We got high and started our deep thinking and he explained to me that he imagines time like photographs or snapshots of scenes, like frozen in time. He made a movement quickly and said "see? that's frozen in time forever !!"

I came to the conclusion that only the past actually exists because at the millisecond you do any action whatsoever, it is immediately in the past. The moment of now exists briefly and everything else is in the past. You presented and interesting thought process for me with the possibility of people popping into points in time etc. Great topic brother, thank you.
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: Grace_Accepted on February 11, 2019, 11:04:46 pm
Yea, whatever causes existence for each coming millisecond for us has to be outside of time itself.  The original cause can't be constrained by the time or time would stop.

I think of it as a conveyor belt.  If the thing putting items on the conveyor belt is also on the conveyor belt.  The items would only be placed withing the reach of the thing.  So to populate our time with passing moments, that source must be off the conveyor belt itself. Or outside of or time stream.

I used to work maintenance at a huge old warehouse.  I knew every inch of that building and then it burned down, but I can still walk through every inch of it in my mind.  It doesn't exist yet it does in my mind.  But that is true for everything in my past.  The people and places of yesterday do not exist anymore and it is only the shared memories that keep the past alive.  If no one had memories, would time exist?
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on February 11, 2019, 11:37:11 pm
Yea, whatever causes existence for each coming millisecond for us has to be outside of time itself.  The original cause can't be constrained by the time or time would stop.

I think of it as a conveyor belt.  If the thing putting items on the conveyor belt is also on the conveyor belt.  The items would only be placed withing the reach of the thing.  So to populate our time with passing moments, that source must be off the conveyor belt itself. Or outside of or time stream.

I used to work maintenance at a huge old warehouse.  I knew every inch of that building and then it burned down, but I can still walk through every inch of it in my mind.  It doesn't exist yet it does in my mind.  But that is true for everything in my past.  The people and places of yesterday do not exist anymore and it is only the shared memories that keep the past alive.  If no one had memories, would time exist?
If nobody had memories then we really would be living in the moment but we'd have learn everything all over again each moment we existed, so that would never be feasible. I think in the future there may be a way to time travel. Now that would explain some things perhaps and raise billions of new questions but wouldn't that be fascinating. I have a vivid photographic memory of places and buildings, woods, anywhere I've spent time.

Time itself is so mysterious and unbiased. I think time began when God spoke creation into existence. God doesn't need time and He may not measure time. We measure time but we haven't measured all of it have we? Human history is only 6,000 years old as far as we can tell. I don't believe carbon dating and I don't believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old.
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: Grace_Accepted on February 12, 2019, 08:17:58 am
I think when we are on the other side an activity will be to be able to go back and witness cerian events from the bible and see exactly what happened.

I don't think God is bound by our linear time, but I haven't a clue what that would look like.  I just keep thinking, if he is in our time, then there was a point before he created anything.  That would mean that their was an infinite amount of time before that that he would have existed in total black emptiness...nah!
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on February 21, 2019, 11:13:22 am
Is it just me or is time moving really fast lately? It's almost March and it was just Christmas yesterday. Time marches on.
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: Bladerunner on February 22, 2019, 08:39:16 pm
While Chuck has several other videos more in depth on time, this one is informative for those who are NOT  Mathematicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xym9XFm8F-E

Blade
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on February 23, 2019, 07:11:56 am
Beyond Space and Time Chuck Missler


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Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: Grace_Accepted on February 24, 2019, 10:30:59 am
While Chuck has several other videos more in depth on time, this one is informative for those who are NOT  Mathematicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xym9XFm8F-E

Blade
Great videos.  Thanks
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on February 24, 2019, 12:42:11 pm
While Chuck has several other videos more in depth on time, this one is informative for those who are NOT  Mathematicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xym9XFm8F-E

Blade
Great videos.  Thanks
Yeah, like you watched. Just kiddin' brother. It's hard to watch them all but most times I just listen while doing other stuff. Sometimes I have two things playing at once and I can actually hear much of both, lol.
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on February 26, 2019, 10:29:52 am
So, I turn 50 Friday. I guess I've been dreading it now that I think about it. But just now I thought hey, I'm closer to being with Jesus Christ, another day, another week closer. I like that. I don't mind aging today. Maybe tomorrow I will, God willing.
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on March 09, 2019, 09:05:40 pm
Did God Create Time? (The Nature of Time) (William Lane Craig)


Robert Lawrence Kuhn (host of PBS' "Closer to Truth") interviews William Lane Craig on time in relation to God. Questions explored: How do you deal with God and time? What is the tensed (aka A-Theory or dynamic theory) and tenseless (aka B-Theory or static) theory of time? How do they deal with past, present and future? Who is John Ellis McTaggart? How do scientists use the 4-dimension of time? How does special relativity deal with the A-theory and B-theory of time?


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Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on March 09, 2019, 09:10:36 pm
Gregory Ganssle - Is God Temporal or Timeless?


Is God temporal, existing in time as we humans do? Or is God outside of time, eternal, and living a radically different kind of existence? Does God experience everything simultaneously in no time? Does God experience what is for us every event, every moment, in one ineffable moment?


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Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on March 09, 2019, 09:49:50 pm
God and Time



http://drcraigvideos.blogspot.com - Dr. William Lane Craig gives a brief overview of time in relation to God. Dr. Craig happens to be President of the "Philosophy of Time" society.


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Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on March 16, 2019, 09:47:41 pm
@Grace_Accepted - We need you back here preachin' brother. For the people. We don't have a lot of time.
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on March 20, 2019, 12:11:23 am
Is God Temporal or Timeless? (Part 1 of 2) (William Lane Craig)


Robert Lawrence Kuhn (host of PBS' "Closer to Truth") asks William Lane Craig about God's personal relationship with time. Questions explored: If God is timeless how can He be active in the temporal world? Who is Soren Kierkegaard? Does it makes sense to talk about a timeless person? Does time affect God? Or does God affect time? Does God have a future? How does Evil and time effect one another? How does God work in time if He were in time? How does God work in time if He were timeless? How would God be in a tensed theory of time? How would God be in a tenseless theory of time?



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Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on March 20, 2019, 12:13:15 am
Is God Temporal or Timeless? (Part 2 of 2) (William Lane Craig)


Robert Lawrence Kuhn (host of PBS' "Closer to Truth") interviews William Lane Craig about whether God is temporal or timeless. Questions explored: Why did it take God so long to create us? What did Leibniz argue against Newton? How did this entail that time had a beginning? How did a timeless God create a temporal universe? Does God change His characteristics in creating time? In what sense is God eternal with relation to time? Can God go back in time and undo what was done? If God works in time is he "locked" in time forever? When God works in time is He "limited"?


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Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on April 30, 2019, 09:22:44 am
Feel Like Time Is Speeding Up Lately...?


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Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on June 02, 2019, 11:58:26 pm
Time? We don't have much even when we're blessed with long life. Use your time wisely.









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Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on July 06, 2019, 11:51:16 am
NAKED BEFORE GOD ✝🆗


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Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: Ted T. on January 05, 2020, 05:39:45 pm
Time is measured by change.  When things change very little time rushes by but when there is great change time seems much longer.  That is why when we are kids time seemed like forever but as we matured and changes in our lives slowed down, time seems to rush by.


I do not accept your premise....this speaks to the awareness of time passing which does not affect the nature of time passing in the least. I suggest that time is not measured by change but time measures change. If nothing ever changed, there would be no time.


IF something IS changing, then the rate of change is timed....time measures the rate of change.


This puts the whole theology that GOD is outside of time (theological pentecostalism) into absurdity. Even if the Trinity is denied, GOD could still not have a thought outside of time because there must be a start of the thought, a middle and an end to the thought plus the time between the end of the thought and the next thought. Multiply this by 3 people talking with each other and time is a must.
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on August 10, 2020, 08:31:57 am
Time !!!
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: Bladerunner on August 10, 2020, 08:22:55 pm
Time is measured by change.  When things change very little time rushes by but when there is great change time seems much longer.  That is why when we are kids time seemed like forever but as we matured and changes in our lives slowed down, time seems to rush by.


I do not accept your premise....this speaks to the awareness of time passing which does not affect the nature of time passing in the least. I suggest that time is not measured by change but time measures change. If nothing ever changed, there would be no time.


IF something IS changing, then the rate of change is timed....time measures the rate of change.


This puts the whole theology that GOD is outside of time (theological pentecostalism) into absurdity. Even if the Trinity is denied, GOD could still not have a thought outside of time because there must be a start of the thought, a middle and an end to the thought plus the time between the end of the thought and the next thought. Multiply this by 3 people talking with each other and time is a must.

Time is a dimension. The bible speaks of five of them that I know of. There are those that say it (the Bible) speaks of ten dimensions.

Time began for us when the earth was created. we are close to three and one-half dimensional...We can only view time in the past. The time of the present is only there for a time period of 10 to the (-45 power). The twinkle of an eye.  Our  future cannot be seen.

Jesus Christ is beyond time. He is extra-terrestrial.
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on September 16, 2020, 11:15:25 pm
Time is measured by change.  When things change very little time rushes by but when there is great change time seems much longer.  That is why when we are kids time seemed like forever but as we matured and changes in our lives slowed down, time seems to rush by.


I do not accept your premise....this speaks to the awareness of time passing which does not affect the nature of time passing in the least. I suggest that time is not measured by change but time measures change. If nothing ever changed, there would be no time.


IF something IS changing, then the rate of change is timed....time measures the rate of change.


This puts the whole theology that GOD is outside of time (theological pentecostalism) into absurdity. Even if the Trinity is denied, GOD could still not have a thought outside of time because there must be a start of the thought, a middle and an end to the thought plus the time between the end of the thought and the next thought. Multiply this by 3 people talking with each other and time is a must.

Time is a dimension. The bible speaks of five of them that I know of. There are those that say it (the Bible) speaks of ten dimensions.

Time began for us when the earth was created. we are close to three and one-half dimensional...We can only view time in the past. The time of the present is only there for a time period of 10 to the (-45 power). The twinkle of an eye.  Our  future cannot be seen.

Jesus Christ is beyond time. He is extra-terrestrial.
Good post Bladey
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on September 18, 2020, 10:02:09 am
Time is up
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: Bladerunner on September 18, 2020, 05:25:56 pm
Time is up

time is the 4th dimension as we see in the bible. The Bible suggest 11 dimensions and our scientist agree. God stands outside of time, We are 3 dimensional yet we enjoy one third of the time dimension, the past.

we can measure time and the smallest is 10 to the minus forty-third power. Called a "Plank time" It is the time it takes light traveling at 186,000 mi/hour to travel from the cornea of the eye tor the retina.

Time started on earth when GOD said let there be light. until then the earth was in darkness. Time has to have some way to be measured and with the creation of light to hide the darkness every 12 hours, there would be no time.

Experiments have been performed with a person was placed in a room devoid of light, sound, etc. with the only mention of time being the dinner bell (delivery of food) which occurred at different hours.  The person lost their mind.

We (our Fleshly body) needs time to function yet except for the plank time (our present time) , we judge our time by the Past.

God on the other hand is beyond time in so many ways. The Bible not only tells us this through Idioms, but shows us this in its scripture.

Our bodies will be like Him, Bodies of Light for we can see him. Thus what ever dimensions He enjoys, it appears we will enjoy them as well including being Outside of time.


Blade
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Post by: patrick jane on September 18, 2020, 06:29:34 pm
Time is up

time is the 4th dimension as we see in the bible. The Bible suggest 11 dimensions and our scientist agree. God stands outside of time, We are 3 dimensional yet we enjoy one third of the time dimension, the past.

we can measure time and the smallest is 10 to the minus forty-third power. Called a "Plank time" It is the time it takes light traveling at 186,000 mi/hour to travel from the cornea of the eye tor the retina.

Time started on earth when GOD said let there be light. until then the earth was in darkness. Time has to have some way to be measured and with the creation of light to hide the darkness every 12 hours, there would be no time.

Experiments have been performed with a person was placed in a room devoid of light, sound, etc. with the only mention of time being the dinner bell (delivery of food) which occurred at different hours.  The person lost their mind.

We (our Fleshly body) needs time to function yet except for the plank time (our present time) , we judge our time by the Past.

God on the other hand is beyond time in so many ways. The Bible not only tells us this through Idioms, but shows us this in its scripture.

Our bodies will be like Him, Bodies of Light for we can see him. Thus what ever dimensions He enjoys, it appears we will enjoy them as well including being Outside of time.


Blade
So I guess time requires memory because without memories of the past only the present and the future could be experienced, but not remembered.
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on October 09, 2020, 07:57:23 am
Time is up

time is the 4th dimension as we see in the bible. The Bible suggest 11 dimensions and our scientist agree. God stands outside of time, We are 3 dimensional yet we enjoy one third of the time dimension, the past.

we can measure time and the smallest is 10 to the minus forty-third power. Called a "Plank time" It is the time it takes light traveling at 186,000 mi/hour to travel from the cornea of the eye tor the retina.

Time started on earth when GOD said let there be light. until then the earth was in darkness. Time has to have some way to be measured and with the creation of light to hide the darkness every 12 hours, there would be no time.

Experiments have been performed with a person was placed in a room devoid of light, sound, etc. with the only mention of time being the dinner bell (delivery of food) which occurred at different hours.  The person lost their mind.

We (our Fleshly body) needs time to function yet except for the plank time (our present time) , we judge our time by the Past.

God on the other hand is beyond time in so many ways. The Bible not only tells us this through Idioms, but shows us this in its scripture.

Our bodies will be like Him, Bodies of Light for we can see him. Thus what ever dimensions He enjoys, it appears we will enjoy them as well including being Outside of time.


Blade
So I guess time requires memory because without memories of the past only the present and the future could be experienced, but not remembered.
Yes
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Post by: patrick jane on November 17, 2020, 05:31:16 pm
Time Manipulation and Space-Time Theory - ROBERT SEPEHR


Albert Einstein concluded that the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. Is time travel possible? Has anyone built a successful time machine? What classified German UFO technology does the US government posses, and can they manipulate space-time? Is there a Secret Space Program?

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Maximus the Confessor’s ‘
Aeon

’

https://www.academia.edu/21527248/Maximus_the_Confessors_Aeon_as_a_Distinct_Mode_of_Temporality


 as a Distinct Mode of Temporality
Dr Sotiris Mitralexis University of Winchester & City University of Istanbul
Abstract: In this paper, I shall focus on the semantic content of
α
 in Maximus the Confessor
’
s works, particularly in the instances in which he employs it as a distinct form of temporality, i.e. not as simply meaning
‘ἷtἷὄὀity’
. I focus on
α
 as aMaximian
terminus technicus
 in spite of the diverse meanings that he himself ascribes to the word in certain cases
.
 I will also
ἷὀgagἷ with thἷ ὅtatuὅ ὁἸ timἷ aὅ humaὀity’ὅ
slavery
, aὅ humaὀity’ὅ
enemy
 
iὀ εaximuὅ’ thὁught,
for this is integrally connected with the notion of the Aeon and especially with the need to transcend both time as

 and temporality in the form of the Aeon in striving for ever well-being. The greater context of this investigation is the understanding
ὁἸ εaximuὅ’
conception of temporality as a
threefold
one, consisting of (a) time as

, the temporality of the sensible realm and the numbering of motion, (b)
α
 i.e.
thἷ χἷὁὀ, a ‘timἷ withὁut mὁvἷmἷὀt’ aὀἶ thἷ tἷmpὁὄality ὁἸ thἷ iὀtἷlligiἴlἷ ἵὄἷa
tion, and(c) the transformed temporality of the ever-moving repose (

 
ἀ
).
Maximus the Confessor is widely credited with accomplishing a philosophical and theological synthesis of rare depth and fecundity. Among the numerous fields (as we would divide them to today) in which his contributions bear relevance are ontology, cosmology, and philosophical/theological anthropology, to name a few. However, not adequate attention has been given to his complex and nuanced understanding of temporality, despite a number of contributions shedding light to aspects of this subject and to which I shall refer below. It is my
ἵὁὀviἵtiὁὀ that a thὄἷἷἸὁlἶ thἷὁὄy ὁἸ tἷmpὁὄality ἵaὀ ἴἷ tὄaἵἷἶ iὀ εaximuὅ’ wὁὄkὅ
, a theory that, in its threefold structure, has a noticeable degree of originality in spite of the Confessor building on diverse elements from the thought of his predecessors and contemporaries in order to arrive at this synthesis.
1
 This conception of temporality consists of (a) time as

,the temporality of the sensible realm and the numbering of motion, (b)
α
 i.e. the Aeon, a
‘timἷ withὁut mὁvἷmἷὀt’ aὀἶ thἷ tἷmpὁὄality ὁἸ thἷ iὀtἷlligiἴlἷ ἵὄἷatiὁὀ, aὀἶ (ἵ) thἷ
transformed temporality of the ever-moving repose (

 
ἀ
2
) that is both absolute timelessness and the temporality of deification, the consummation of the very nature of time
 —
having thus implications for a number of theological and philosophical subjects beyond temporality itself.
IἸ wἷ uὀἶἷὄὅtaὀἶ εaximuὅ’ ἵὁὀἵἷptiὁὀ ὁἸ tἷmpὁὄalit
y this way, then the ambiguous
α
 cannot be accurately rendered as
‘ἷtἷὄὀity’ iὀ ἷaἵh aὀἶ ἷvἷὄy ἵaὅἷ, aὅ thἷὄἷ wὁulἶ ἴἷ
two
 
kiὀἶὅ ὁἸ ‘ἷtἷὄὀity’ with ἶiἸἸἷὄἷὀt ἵhaὄaἵtἷὄiὅtiἵὅέ Iὀ thiὅ papἷὄ, I ὅhall Ἰὁἵuὅ ὁὀ thἷ ὅἷmaὀtiἵ
content of
α
 
iὀ εaximuὅ’ wὁὄkὅ
 
in the instances in which he employs it as a distinct form of temporality
; I shall focus on
α
 as a Maximian
terminus technicus
 in spite of the diverse meanings that he himself ascribes to the word in certain cases
.
 This polysemy in the
1
 Analyzed extensively in Sotiris Mitralexis,
 Ever-Moving Repose: The notion of time in Maximus the
Confessor’s philosophy through the perspective of a relational ontology
 
(ἐἷὄliὀμ όὄἷiἷ Uὀivἷὄὅitδt ἐἷὄliὀ, ἢhϊ
diss., 2014). Chapter III.5. is devoted to the
ὅtuἶy ὁἸ εaximuὅ’ α
 and formed the basis for the present paper.
2
 E.g. Maximus Confessor,
Quaestiones ad Thalassium II. Quaestiones LVI-LXV
, eds. Carl Laga & Carlos Steel Corpus Christianorum Series Graeca 22 (Turnhout: Brepols, 1990), 65.544-6 for this ambiguous notion


ἑὁὀἸἷὅὅὁὄ’ὅ uὅἷ ὁἸ wὁὄἶὅ wὁulἶ ὀὁt ἴἷ aὀ ἷxἵἷptiὁὀ, ἴut ὄathἷὄ a vἷὄy ἵhaὄaἵtἷὄiὅtiἵ
topos.
 I
will alὅὁ ἴὄiἷἸly mἷὀtiὁὀ thἷ ὅtatuὅ ὁἸ timἷ aὅ humaὀity’ὅ
slavery
, aὅ humaὀity’ὅ
enemy
 in
εaximuὅ’ thὁught, Ἰὁὄ thiὅ iὅ iὀtἷgὄally ἵὁὀὀἷἵtἷ
d with the notion of the Aeon and especially with the need to transcend both time as

 and temporality in the form of the Aeon in striving for ever well-being (
ἀ
 
ὖ
 
α)έ Thuὅ iὅ εaximuὅ’ thὄἷἷἸὁlἶ tἷmpὁὄality ἶiὅἵlὁὅἷἶ
not merely as an idea of exclusively ontological and cosmological relevance, but as crucial for
thἷ ἑὁὀἸἷὅὅὁὄ’ὅ aὀthὄὁpὁlὁgy aὅ wἷll
, to which I will hint towards the end of this paper.
Whilἷ εaximuὅ’ ὀὁtiὁὀ ὁἸ thἷ χἷὁὀ (α
)
3
 as a distinct, second form of temporality is expounded in specific passages of his work, the reader is faced with the problem of
εaximuὅ’ ἶiἸἸἷὄἷὀt uὅagἷ ὁἸ thἷ tἷὄm α
 in different contexts throughout the Maximian corpus.
4
 Apart from the meaning illustrated in the dual definition of

 and
α
 in
 Ambigua
 (PG 91 1164 BC), which will be shown as the primary definition of the Aeon, Maximus also uses the term in different contexts in order to signify eternity as unlimited duration,
5
 or a great amount of time/a century,
6
 
ὁὄ hiὅtὁὄy, ὁὄ ύὁἶ’ὅ tἷmpὁὄality
 in contrast to our own
7
 etc. This becomes quite pronounced in instances where Maximus uses the word
3
 
χὅ wἷ pὁiὀtἷἶ ὁut iὀ thἷ ἴἷgiὀὀiὀg, a pὄὁἴlἷm with maὀy ὅἵhὁlaὄly aἵἵὁuὀtὅ ὁἸ εaximuὅ’ uὀἶἷὄὅtaὀἶiὀg ὁἸ thἷχἷὁὀ iὅ thἷ laἵk ὁἸ ἶiἸἸἷὄἷὀtiatiὁὀ ἴἷtwἷἷὀ thἷ ‘ἷtἷὄὀity’ ὁἸ thἷ χἷὁὀ aὀἶ thἷ ‘ἷtἷὄὀity’ ὁἸ thἷ ἷvἷὄ
-moving repose, r
ἷὅultiὀg iὀ aὀ ἷὄὄὁὀἷὁuὅ aὀἶ iὀἵὁmplἷtἷ ὄἷaἶiὀg ὁἸ thἷ ἑὁὀἸἷὅὅὁὄέ ώὁwἷvἷὄ, ἢaul ἢlaὅὅ’ aὄtiἵlἷ‘Tὄaὀὅἵἷὀἶἷὀt Timἷ iὀ εaximuὅ thἷ ἑὁὀἸἷὅὅὁὄ’,
The Thomist
 44:2 (1980), pp. 259-77, is a valuable
ἵὁὀtὄiἴutiὁὀέ ἠὁtἷ ἢlaὅὅ’ mἷὀtiὁὀ ὁἸ thἷ εaximiaὀ aὀἶ ἑappaἶὁἵia
n notion of
α
 (distance, interval, extension) and its relation to temporality in p. 260, as this plays a major role in our treatment of the subject.
ἢlaὅὅ’ aὄtiἵlἷ ‘Tὄaὀὅἵἷὀἶἷὀt Timἷ aὀἶ Etἷὄὀity iὀ ύὄἷgὁὄy ὁἸ ἠyὅὅa’,
Vigiliae Christianae
 34 (1980), pp. 180-92,
iὅ a gὁὁἶ iὀtὄὁἶuἵtiὁὀ tὁ thἷὅἷ ἵὁὀἵἷptὅ pὄiὁὄ tὁ εaximuὅ’ ὄἷὀἷwal ὁἸ thἷmμ iὀ ἴὁth aὄtiἵlἷὅ, ἢlaὅὅ’
contradistinction of the Neoplatonic understanding of eternity and return to the biblical and patristic one is particularly noteworthy. David
ἐὄaἶὅhaw’ὅ ‘Timἷ aὀἶ Etἷὄὀity iὀ thἷ ύὄἷἷk όathἷὄὅ’,
The Thomist
 70 (2006), pp.311-366, contains a very interesting subchapter on Maximus, but heavily depends on the
Scholia
to the Dionysian Corpus, which are now attributed to Maximus only to a very limited extent and cannot be relied on for
iὀvἷὅtigatiὀg εaximuὅ’ viἷwὅέ
 
4
 Which, to different degrees, is also the case with almost any important term Maximus employs, making it
ἷxἵἷἷἶiὀgly ἶiἸἸiἵult Ἰὁὄ thἷ ὄἷaἶἷὄ tὁ ὅquaὄἷly ὅyὅtἷmatiὐἷ thἷ ἑὁὀἸἷὅὅὁὄ’ὅ uὀἶἷὄ
standing of core notions such as

,
π
 (mode) etc. Throughout the secondary literature concerning Maximus, an abundance of attempts at systematizing Maximian terminology can be found (instead, for example, of accepting the fact that only
approaches
 
tὁ εaximuὅ’ thὁught ἵaὀ ἴἷ attἷmptἷἶ, withὁut ἵlaimὅ ὁἸ ἶἷἸiὀitivἷ aὀὅwἷὄὅ), ὁἸtἷὀ yiἷlἶiὀguὀὅatiὅἸaἵtὁὄy ὄἷὅultὅ aὀἶ lἷaἶiὀg tὁ miὅuὀἶἷὄὅtaὀἶiὀgὅ ὁἸ thἷ ἑὁὀἸἷὅὅὁὄ’ὅ tἷaἵhiὀgὅ—
 a tendency that is gradually being corrected.
5
 E.g. Maximus the Confessor,
 Quaestiones ad Thalassium I. Quaestiones I-LV,
eds. Carl Laga & Carlos Steel,Corpus Christianorum Series Graeca 7 (Turnhout: Brepols, 1980), 38.52:

6
 E.g.
Quaestiones ad Thalassium II
, 56.140-2:
 


7
 Maximus the Confessor,
On Difficulties in the Church Fathers: The Ambigua
, ed. and trans. Nicholas Constas,Vol. I, Dumbarton Oaks Medieval Library 28 (Cambridge, MA and London, 2014), p. 309, which is also PG91,
11κκἐμ ‘It muὅt ἴἷ aἵἵἷptἷἶ that thἷ ἷtἷὄὀally ἷxiὅtiὀg ύὁἶ [
 
ἀ
 
] …’έ Siὀἵἷ ἑὁὀὅtaὅ’ ἵὄitiἵal ἷἶitiὁὀ(vὁlέ I aὀἶ II aὄἷ ϊumἴaὄtὁὀ ἡakὅ εἷἶiἷval δiἴὄaὄy βκ aὀἶ βλ ὄἷὅpἷἵtivἷly) ὀamἷὅ εigὀἷ’ὅ
Patrologia Graeca
 column of ea
ἵh ὄἷὅpἷἵtivἷ paὅὅagἷ, whilἷ maὀy ὅἵhὁlaὄὅ ὅtill ἶἷpἷὀἶ ὁὀ ἢύ’ὅ
 Ambigua
, wἷ will uὅἷ ἑὁὀὅtaὅ’
critically edited text while simply citing
 Ambigua
 
with ἢύλ1 ἵὁlumὀὅ Ἰὁὄ thἷ ὄἷaἶἷὄὅ’ ἵὁὀvἷὀiἷὀἵἷ, aὅ ἢύἵὁlumὀὅ ἵaὀ ἴἷ ἷaὅily tὄaἵἷἶ ἴaἵk tὁ ἑὁὀὅtaὅ’ pagἷὅ, whil
e the opposite is naturally not the case. When directly
uὅiὀg ἑὁὀὅtaὅ’ tὄaὀὅlatiὁὀ, wἷ will ἵitἷ ἑὁὀὅtaὅ’ pagἷ ὀumἴἷὄὅέ Sἷἷ alὅὁ
Scholia in De Divinis Nominibus
,CD4.1 and PG4 229 A-C:

Aeon
 meaning eternity in the sense of unlimited time by employing the word in its plural form
α
, i.e. the ages.
8
 Maximus differentiates between the singular,
α
, and the plural,
α
, in a way suggestive of this by employing both forms in the same sentence with different meanings
9
 —
but again, this is not characteristic of the whole of his work and cannot be systematized in such a way. When speaking o
Ἰ thἷ ‘tἷmpὁὄality’ ὁἸ ύὁἶ iὀ ἵὁὀtὄaὅt tὁ ὁuὄ
own, Maximus sometimes refers to it as Aeon or aeonic and sometimes as
ἀΐ, ἀΐ,ἀ,
10
 
iὀ ὁὄἶἷὄ tὁ ἵὁὀtὄaὅt ύὁἶ’ὅ ‘tἷmpὁὄality’ tὁ thἷ χἷὁὀ aὅ wἷll
11
 —
however, the Confessor does not adopt a systematized distinction of

 /
α
 /
ἀ
, whereas he often clarifies that no kind of temporality whatsoever can be applicable to God. And (to make things worse) there are passages in which Maximus refers to
ἀ
 simply as eternity without change and alteration,
12
 practically equating it with the Aeon (as the state of
tἷmpὁὄality ὁἸ iὀtἷlligiἴlἷ ὄἷalitiἷὅ aὀἶ ‘timἷ withὁut mὁtiὁὀ’) aὀἶ ἷὄaἶiἵatiὀg aὀy hὁpἷ ὁἸ a
solid

 /
α
 /
ἀ
 distinction. However, and apart from this variety in the use of terms, Maximus
does
 propose a second form of temporality beyond normal time (

) and its extensions in duration
(ἷxtἷὀὅiὁὀὅ that ὄἷaἵh up tὁ thἷ ‘agἷὅ ὁἸ thἷ agἷὅ’)έ χ Ἰὁὄm ὁἸ tἷmpὁὄality that iὅ
inverted time
, as it is time without motion
 —
whereas the main characteristic of time is that it is the numbering of motion. I
. Quite logically, due to the numerous different commentators that authored the
 Scholia,
 the differences in the use of the terms
α
 and
α
 throughout the
Scholia
 can be profound, often offering contradictory illustrations thereof.
8
 E.g.
 Ambigua,
1βηβ έ
 
9
 
 Ambigua,
 
1γκλ ϊμ α 
 
α
 
, α
 
αα α
 
αα
.
10
 E.g. Maximus the Confessor,
Capita de caritate
, in Aldo Ceresa-Gastaldo (ed.),
 Massimo Confessore -
Capitoli sulla caritα. Ed. criticamente con introd., versione e note
, Verba Seniorum, collana di testi e studipatristici, n.s. 3 (Rome: Ed. Studium, 1963), 2.27.3, as well as 4.3.1:

 
ἀυ
 
υ
 
 π
 

 
Θ
. As mentioned earlier, Maximus attributes
ἀ
 to the uncreated

 (
Capita de caritate
, 1.100, 2.27), thus differentiating
ἀ
 from the Aeon, the beings in whom had had a beginning and a generation, while the

 had not.
11
 
Iὀ εaximuὅ’
Capita theologica et oeconomica
 (located in PG90, 1084-1173), PG90 1086 B
 ,
1.6, we find a clear example of the
ἀΐ
 attributed to God and the Aeon attributed to the creatures that are not under time:
 ‘χἴὅὁlutἷly ὀὁthiὀg that iὅ ἶiἸἸἷὄἷὀt Ἰὄὁ
m [God] by substance is seen together with him from all eternity [

 
ἀυ
]: neither the Aeon, nor time, nor anything dwelling in them
’, tὄaὀὅlέ ύἷὁὄgἷ ἑέ
Berthold,
 Maximus the Confessor: Selected Writings
 (New York: Paulist Press, 1985), p. 130. And:
 Ambigua,
11κκ ἐμ ‘[ύὁἶ] iὅ thἷ ἵὄἷatὁὄ aὀἶ Ἰaὅhiὁὀἷὄ ὁἸ ἷvἷὄy agἷ [α
] and time along with everything that exists in them. Yet [one] will not conclude from this that any of these things has in any way existed together with God from eternity [

 
ἀυ
], for [one] knows that it is impossible for either of two eternally coexisting [
 ἀυ] pὄiὀἵiplἷὅ tὁ ἴἷ thἷ ἵauὅἷ ὁἸ thἷ ὁthἷὄ’ (tὄaὀὅlέ ἑὁὀὅtaὅ, vὁlέ I, pέ γίλ)έ
12
 E.g.
 Ambigua,
11ἄλ ϊμ ‘it iὅ ὀὁt pὁὅὅiἴlἷ, ὀὁὄ ὄatiὁὀally ἵὁhἷὄἷὀt, tὁ ἵὁὀὅiἶἷὄ aὅ ἷt
ernal that which is not always the same [

 

 
ὡα
 
ἔ
 
ἀ
], nor immune from change and alteration, but instead is scattered and
ἵhaὀgἷἶ iὀ a myὄiaἶ ὁἸ wayὅ’ (tὄaὀὅlέ ἑὁὀὅtaὅ, vὁlέ I, pέ βἅἅ)έ



 
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transformation of the temporality in which that person is operating. Contemplating the

 while being in the temporality of

 would not make sense in a Maximian framework: a(seeming)
cessation of motion
 would be necessary, a
time devoid of motion
; the participation in the Aeon, i.e. the temporality of the intelligible realm. Our conclusion is that, from the perspective of theological anthropology, the Aeon as
εaximuὅ’ ὅἷἵὁὀἶ mὁἶἷ ὁἸ tἷmpὁὄality wὁulἶ ἴἷ iὀἶiὅpἷὀὅaἴlἷ Ἰὁὄ hiὅ ὁvἷὄall ἵὁὀἵἷpt
ion to
havἷ philὁὅὁphiἵal ἵὁhἷὄἷὀἵἷέ ώumaὀity’ὅ aὅἵἷὀt Ἰὄὁm thἷ ὅlavἷὄy ὁἸ timἷ tὁ thἷ ὄaἶiἵal
ontological freedom of deification and the ever-moving repose cannot be effected in a single
‘jump iὀ tἷmpὁὄalityήmὁtiὁὀ’έ χἷὁὀiἵ tἷmpὁὄality wὁulἶ ἴἷ a lὁgiἵal
and necessary stage between these extreme realities of the human person. From the sensible realm to the intelligible creation and then beyond createdness, to the uncreated God. From practical philosophy to natural contemplation and then to theological mystagogy. From time as

 
tὁ thἷ χἷὁὀ’ὅ ἵἷὅὅatiὁὀ ὁἸ mὁtiὁὀ aὀἶ ἴἷyὁὀἶ, tὁ thἷ ἷxaltἷἶ 
 
ἀ
. The Aeon is
thuὅ ἶiὅἵlὁὅἷἶ aὅ thἷ ἴaὅiὅ Ἰὁὄ thἷ ὄἷaliὅm aὀἶ ἵὁhἷὄἷὀἵἷ ὁἸ εaximuὅ’ thἷὁlὁgiἵal viὅiὁὀ ὁἸ aὀ
anthropology of deification, that is, the
ἑὁὀἸἷὅὅὁὄ’ὅ aὀthὄὁpὁlὁgy
 par excellence
.VCONCLUSIONS AND REMARKSAs noted at the beginning of this paper, Maximus uses the word
α
 with different meanings in different contexts
 —
most notably, he often employs its plural
α
 meaning
‘thἷ agἷὅ’, a vἷὄy lὁὀg ἶuὄatiὁὀ iὀ timἷ, hiὅtὁὄyέ ώὁwἷvἷὄ, thἷ χἷὁὀ aὅ a ὅἷἵὁὀἶ mὁἶἷ ὁἸ
temporality beyond time (
) iὅ ἵlἷaὄly tὁ ἴἷ ἶiὅἵἷὄὀἷἶ iὀ εaximuὅ’ wὁὄk aὀἶ ἵἷὄtaiὀἵhaὄaἵtἷὄiὅtiἵὅ thἷὄἷὁἸ ἷmἷὄgἷ iὀ thἷ ἑὁὀἸἷὅὅὁὄ’ὅ paὅὅagἷὅέ
 (i)
 
The Aeon
iὅ ‘timἷ ἶἷpὄivἷἶ ὁἸ mὁtiὁὀ’, iὀ a ἶual aὀἶ iὀtἷὄtwiὀἷἶ ἶἷἸiὀitiὁὀ ὁἸtἷmpὁὄality iὀ whiἵh timἷ iὅ ‘thἷ χἷὁὀ, whἷὀ mἷaὅuὄἷἶ iὀ itὅ mὁtiὁὀ’έ
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 This definition does not merely provide us with an understanding of the Aeon through our more familiar notion of time; rather than that, the interrelation of the Aeon and time establishes both of them as dependent on one another, as two irreplaceable sides of the same reality.(ii)
 
The Aeon is also defined as constituting the temporality of the intelligible realm, the temporality of intelligible beings. All beings are divided into sensible and intelligible beings, and while time constitutes the temporality of the sensible, the Aeon corresponds to the intelligible. Here, again, both of these (sensible and intelligible, time and the Aeon) are vitally
iὀtἷὄὄἷlatἷἶ aὀἶ iὀtἷὄἵὁὀὀἷἵtἷἶμ ‘Thἷ ἷὀtitiἷὅ ὁὀ ἷaἵh ὅiἶἷ ὁἸ thiὅ ἶiviὅiὁὀ aὄἷ ὀatuὄally ὄἷlatἷἶtὁ ἷaἵh ὁthἷὄ thὄὁugh aὀ iὀἶiὅὅὁluἴlἷ pὁwἷὄ that ἴiὀἶὅ thἷm tὁgἷthἷὄ’έ
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 (iii)
 
To be created is to have a beginning and to be in temporality. Both the sensible and the
iὀtἷlligiἴlἷ aὄἷ gἷὀἷὄatἷἶ, ἴut thἷ ὅἷὀὅiἴlἷ havἷ ἴἷἷὀ gἷὀἷὄatἷἶ aὀἶ havἷ thἷiὄ ἴἷgiὀὀiὀg ‘iὀtimἷ’, whilἷ thἷ iὀtἷlligiἴlἷ ‘iὀ thἷ χἷὁὀ’έ Thὁὅἷ that aὄἷ ἵὁὀtἷmplatἷἶ ‘iὀ thἷ χἷὁὀ’, iέἷέ
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 Ambigua,
1164 BC.
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 Ambigua,
 1153

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intelligible beings, possess beginning, middle, and end as well. To be created is to possess temporality: this elevates temporality to one of the primary criteria and characteristics of createdness,
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 a status that does not fully apply to spatiality as such, which is only a characteristic of the sensible world.(iv)
 
The Aeon cannot be described as the temporality of the uncreated, for it has had a beginning, as well as everything in it.
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ώὁwἷvἷὄ, Ἰὄὁm humaὀity’ὅ aὀἶ thἷ ὅἷὀὅiἴlἷ ἵὄἷatiὁὀ’ὅ
point of view, the Aeon
iconizes
the absolute timelessness of the uncreated and
refers
to it.The apparent changelessness of the intelligible
 —
from the perspective of the sensible
 —
reflects the absolute motionlessness of the uncreated. And the temporality of the apparently changeless intelligible world, the Aeon, reflects the absolute timelessness of the uncreated.
Thἷ humaὀ pἷὄὅὁὀ’ὅ ἷvἷὄ Ἰullἷὄ paὄtiἵipatiὁὀ iὀ thἷ χἷὁὀ aὀἶ iὀ thἷ iὀtἷlligiἴlἷ ὄἷalm iὅ thἷ
first step towards the cessation of motion and deification, due to their function as imperfect icons of the uncreated.(v)
 
Thἷ χἷὁὀ iὅ ‘timἷ ἶἷpὄivἷἶ ὁἸ mὁtiὁὀ’ aὀἶ ἵὁὀὅtitutἷὅ thἷ tἷmpὁὄality ὁἸ thἷ
intelligible, which, however, are in some sorts of motion. While intelligible beings are in
mὁtiὁὀ (‘ἷxpaὀὅiὁὀ’, ‘ἵὁὀtὄaἵtiὁὀ’ ἷtἵέ), thἷ χἷὁὀ it
self
 —
their mode of temporality
 —
is not susceptible to change. Intelligible beings are beings in motion that is generated and situated within a stable form of temporality, the Aeon. The Aeon is stable in that it cannot be
‘ἵiὄἵumὅἵὄiἴἷἶ ἴy a ὀumἴἷὄ’έ
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 This i
ὅ a tὄait ὁἸ thἷ χἷὁὀ that iὅ iὀ ἵὁὀtὄaὅt tὁ timἷ’ὅ Ἰlὁatiὀg
and unstable nature.
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 (vi)
 
The interrelation of time and space, time and spatiality is quite prominent in Maximus
 —
see, for example, sections 36-39 from the tenth
 Ambiguum ad Johannem
(PG91,1176D-1184A).This is a major difference of time and the sensible to the Aeon and the intelligible, for there is no spatiality, no dimension of space (e.g. in the emergence of
‘qualitiἷὅ’, iὀ thἷ ἶiὅtiὀἵtiὁὀ ὁἸ ‘ὅuἴὅtaὀἵἷὅ’ ἷtἵέ) iὀ what εaximuὅ ἶiὅtiὀguiὅhἷὅ aὅ ‘thἷ
 
iὀtἷlligiἴlἷ’
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 —
which accordingly modifies what motion can mean when applied to intelligible beings. While the sensible move and change in space and time, the absence of the dimension of space accounts for the intelligible moving and changing against the background of the changeless Aeon.
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Capita theologica et oeconomica,
1085 A
 ,
1.5.
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 Ibid.
87
 Ibid.
88
 
 Ambigua,
11βί χ μ  υα 
 
υ φέ
 
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 We must here repeat that the sensible/intelligible distinction is a philosophical distinction that does not
aἴὅἵὁὀἶ itὅ ἶἷlimitἷἶ ὄἷalitiἷὅ ἴut ‘ἴiὀἶὅ thἷm tὁgἷthἷὄ thὄὁugh aὀ iὀἶiὅὅὁluἴlἷ pὁwἷὄ’έ Thἷ iὀtἷlligiἴlἷ iὅ vἷὄyἸaὄ Ἰὄὁm ἴἷiὀg ‘aὀὁthἷὄ wὁὄlἶ’ aὅ
 
uὀἶἷὄὅtὁὁἶ iὀ myὅtiἵal ὁὄ ἷὅὁtἷὄiἵ ἵὁὀtἷxtὅέ With thἷ wὁὄἶ ‘iὀtἷlligiἴlἷ’,
Maximus denotes all beings and all of reality that are not perceived through sense-
 pἷὄἵἷptiὁὀ, whilἷ ‘thἷ ἷὀtitiἷὅ
on each side of this division are naturally related to each other
’έ όὁὄ ἷxamplἷ, iὀ thἷ ἶiὅtiὀἵtiὁὀ ὁἸ ὅuἴὅtaὀἵἷ aὀἶ
hypostasis, i.e. of homogeneity and the particular, it is only the particular that is sensible, that is accessible through the sense
 —
 not the homogeneity of the particulars itself, which is merely deducted from the hypostases(or, for those that attain to a fuller access to reality, contemplated as its

 
α)έ ώἷὄἷ, thἷ ‘ὅuἴὅtaὀἵἷ’ iὅ,ὁἸ ἵὁuὄὅἷ, ‘iὀtἷlligiἴlἷ’—
 without this making it less real, merely hypothetical or simply imaginary. The homogeneity of the particulars is neither unreal nor hypothetical nor imaginary: it is as real as the particulars of
whiἵh it iὅ thἷ ὅuἴὅtaὀἵἷέ ώὁwἷvἷὄ, ὀἷithἷὄ ‘hὁmὁgἷὀἷitiἷὅ’ ὀὁὄ ‘qualitiἷὅ’ (ἷέgέ tὁ ἴἷ ἵὁlἶ, tὁ ἴἷ ὀἷw, tὁ ἴἷ
colored, to be moist) occupy spaces. The intelligible is deprived of spatiality.

 
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(vii)
 
Temporality, while being a
α
 
φ
 characteristic of createdness, is also an
ὁἴὅtaἵlἷ tὁ ἴἷ ὁvἷὄἵὁmἷ, alὁὀg with all ὁthἷὄ ἶiviὅiὁὀὅ aὀἶ ‘ἶiὅtaὀἵἷὅ’έ Thiὅ appliἷὅ tὁ ἴὁth
time and the Aeon. Even the Aeon must be
tὄaὀὅἵἷὀἶἷἶ ἴy humaὀity iὀ humaὀity’ὅ taὅk aὅ a
mediator.(viii)
 
Thuὅ, thἷ χἷὁὀ ἴἷἵὁmἷὅ a ἵὄuἵial paὄt ὁἸ εaximuὅ’ aὀthὄὁpὁlὁgy ὁἸ ἶἷiἸiἵatiὁὀ, aὅ it
is in this mode of temporality that the contemplation of the

 can be achieved, opening the way to the uncreated God. The participation in the a temporality of the uncreated is beyond time and the Aeon, beyond any conception of temporality, which is in itself a delimitation of createdness. However and as we have noted in the beginning, in speaking about deification Maximus introduces the notion of the
ever-moving repose
 (

 
ἀ
) which, being the end and perfection of motion beyond motionlessness itself, constitutes the
third
 mode of temporality, i.e. the transcendence and annihilation of
any
 temporality. Thus, a threefold conception of temporality can be traced in Maximus the Confessor, consisting of time, the Aeon, and the ever-moving repose.
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: Ted T. on May 19, 2021, 11:28:00 am
Time is only a measurement method for measuring movement, change. There is no time only when there is no movement. Since our physical universe from the smallest particles to the very largest galaxies are in constant flow and flux, there is always time.


And talking about our awareness of the passage of time as time itself is pretty suspect as it measure us, our perception, not time itself.


So, was anything moving, changing before the creation of the physical universe. Oh, yes, the Trinity with their constant communication with each other! Unless we  consider that THEY weren't thinking nor communicating in some unchanging state of suspended life so to speak, then time is as eternal as the Trinity itself.


GOD being outside of time is a blather and whatever problem that seemed to need that idea as its reconciliation should be studied for a resolution by a different way. GOD is aware of the beginning and the end at the same time because, as every reference to such things is about the physical universe, HE created it to be that way and HE knows everything that HE created perfectly, every movement and change in what HE created...except for the intrusion of those things into HIS creation that HE did not create, ie, the results of our free will decisions which we created, but that is a different topic.


Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on September 17, 2021, 09:05:10 pm
The Mystery of Time and How to Master It for Self Development [Occult Lecture]


The Mystery of Time and How to Master It for Self Development by Manly P. Hall


1 hour 20 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIhrygjzHQc
Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: garee on September 18, 2021, 09:38:44 am
Have you ever thought about time.  Each of us only can view a millisecond of it at a time.  Like a projector flipping still pictures on a screen it creates the appearance of motion.

What causes things, all things to exist in the moment we experience them?  Do they exist a millisecond from now?  Do they continue to exist after we have viewed them and are on to the next frame?

Time is measured by change.  When things change very little time rushes by but when there is great change time seems much longer.  That is why when we are kids time seemed like forever but as we matured and changes in our lives slowed down, time seems to rush by.

What if beings were in the time stream a second ahead of us?  We would be aware of them. We could witness any residuals of their actions and see them in their past.  They would not be aware of us.  If they entered the time stream behind us, we would be unaware of them but they could witness our past.

Any way, it is just a thought...angles perhaps...maybe?

God is light and not that he can only create light   as a temporal source.  When he said in the beginning “let there be light” he made is unseen glorious  presence known

I would offer In time, and outside of time. Mixing of the two things seen the temporal with the unseen Faith eternal working together   brings the gospel. Called the mixing of faith in Hebrews 4 ,

Time winding down began of Day 4 .When the glory of God departed day 3  .With 3 used to denote the end of a matter throughout the Bible .  What the Bible calls under the Sun sensitive to time

There he set two witnesses to represent the father (Sun) and Son (moon ), the gospel.

The Sun is used as a parable to represent the power of God the greater position. . and the moon the reflected power, the lesser position.

When the last day on earth comes Then order will be retuned to the way it was  the first three days


 Revelation 21:And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.



Title: Re: Time? What is it? How does it work? Is there existence without it?
Post by: patrick jane on September 18, 2021, 10:04:58 am
Have you ever thought about time.  Each of us only can view a millisecond of it at a time.  Like a projector flipping still pictures on a screen it creates the appearance of motion.

What causes things, all things to exist in the moment we experience them?  Do they exist a millisecond from now?  Do they continue to exist after we have viewed them and are on to the next frame?

Time is measured by change.  When things change very little time rushes by but when there is great change time seems much longer.  That is why when we are kids time seemed like forever but as we matured and changes in our lives slowed down, time seems to rush by.

What if beings were in the time stream a second ahead of us?  We would be aware of them. We could witness any residuals of their actions and see them in their past.  They would not be aware of us.  If they entered the time stream behind us, we would be unaware of them but they could witness our past.

Any way, it is just a thought...angles perhaps...maybe?

God is light and not that he can only create light   as a temporal source.  When he said in the beginning “let there be light” he made is unseen glorious  presence known

I would offer In time, and outside of time. Mixing of the two things seen the temporal with the unseen Faith eternal working together   brings the gospel. Called the mixing of faith in Hebrews 4 ,

Time winding down began of Day 4 .When the glory of God departed day 3  .With 3 used to denote the end of a matter throughout the Bible .  What the Bible calls under the Sun sensitive to time

There he set two witnesses to represent the father (Sun) and Son (moon ), the gospel.

The Sun is used as a parable to represent the power of God the greater position. . and the moon the reflected power, the lesser position.

When the last day on earth comes Then order will be retuned to the way it was  the first three days


 Revelation 21:And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
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