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Title: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on January 27, 2019, 02:19:39 am
Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1 & 2 agree totally and in detail.

Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. At Gen 2:4 the narrative RETURNS to the details of the THIRD Day.

[Isa 46:10 KJV] 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In other words, the first 34 verses of Genesis tell us the ENTIRE History of God's 7 Days of Creation, including events which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. Gen 1:28-31.

Here’s a brief summary of how I read the first five verses of the the Book of Genesis - The Beginning:

Genesis 1:1 Is a Preface or Summary - The Story of the Beginning of our Physical World
Genesis 1:2 Tells us the condition of the deep before the making of our physical world.
Genesis 1:3 The bringing forth of the LIGHT before anything is made that was made.... before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 The division of light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening and the morning the first day of creation process.

As you can see, based on the perspective of the above cited Scripture , our physical heaven and earth that we know of today is still formless and void on the 1st Day of Creation.

The 1st formation of the firmament of Heaven only took place on the 2nd Day - Gen 1:6-8.  The Earth was formed/made on the 3rd Day..... Your thought…..

God bless
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on January 27, 2019, 05:22:29 am
The Son of God was at the bosom of the invisible Almighty God Father before the Making of our Physical Worlds (Plural) in the Beginning.

YHWH or Jesus, the Son, came forth (begotten) into the Physical World from the invisible Spirit of his Father when God commanded His first "Word" in the Beginning and said, “Let there be Light; and there was light” (Gen 1:3). And YHWH became the Only God ever Physically formed or that ever will be Physically formed for us to see and witness. He is the Express Image of the invisible God Father, bodily.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was No God Formed, neither shall there be after me.

He was Not Created, since He was already God himself from the Beginning; from Everlasting.

YHWH or Jesus provided the Light in the Beginning of Creation (Alpha) Gen 1:3, just as He will be the Light of the New Heaven to come (Omega) ref. Rev 21:23... because, the lamb is the light thereof. His image is brighter than the noon day sun.

Rev21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Without YHWH, the Son, was Not anything made that was made, because Everything Physical was formed / made - as a potter would mold a clay - by the Physical Hands of the Only God, the Only Image, the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God.

When we get to Heaven, we will truly understand that the Son is our One God, for In Him dwelleth ALL of the fullness of the Godhead, Bodily.

God bless

Note: The invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit, without physical shape or form that changes not.

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on January 27, 2019, 05:00:03 pm
Gen 1:1-2
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form (Dust), and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Here is what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. 

God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning.  Then, on the 3rd Day, YHWH, the Son, took some of these matters  - air, dust, and water  - and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang,which cooled and became our Cosmos.

That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.

Our God is an Awesome God.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on January 27, 2019, 07:20:39 pm
Gen 1:1-2
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form (Dust), and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Here is what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin.

God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning.  Then, on the 3rd Day, YHWH, the Son, took some of these matters  - air, dust, and water  - and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang,which cooled and became our Cosmos.

That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.

Our God is an Awesome God.


Wow,,,I can guess by what I just read, YOU don't write stories/books for a living.

You went way outside of what GOD's WORD said....

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on January 27, 2019, 07:39:36 pm
Gen 1:1-2
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form (Dust), and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Here is what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin.

God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning.  Then, on the 3rd Day, YHWH, the Son, took some of these matters  - air, dust, and water  - and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang,which cooled and became our Cosmos.

That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.

Our God is an Awesome God.


Wow,,,I can guess by what I just read, YOU don't write stories/books for a living.

You went way outside of what GOD's WORD said....

Blade

Dear Blade,

It's simple to know if one's interpretation is correct. If it agrees with God's Holy Word, true Science, and History, it's as close to the One Truth as is Humanly possible. The fault is Not with God's Truth, but with man's ability to understand it, for His thoughts are far above man's thoughts.

That's why I seek the agreement of every other discovered Truth, to measure against God's Holy Word. There is Only 1 Truth, and every other discovered Truth MUST agree with God's Truth or we have Not found the 1 Truth.

I also love to see other Christian's views, for that is the way we learn. The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs, and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action.

When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know God's Truth, face to face. How bout you.

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on January 27, 2019, 07:48:02 pm
Gen 1:1-2
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form (Dust), and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Here is what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin.

God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning.  Then, on the 3rd Day, YHWH, the Son, took some of these matters  - air, dust, and water  - and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang,which cooled and became our Cosmos.

That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.

Our God is an Awesome God.


Dear Readers,

Energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter. It took scientists thousands of years before Albert Einstein confirmed God's Holy Word with his theory of relativity.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.

Then WHERE did the energy to make 3 Universes or Multiverse come from, you might ask.

Below is the answer for it tells us where God lives:


1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

God bless
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on January 27, 2019, 09:21:42 pm
Gen 1:1-2
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form (Dust), and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Here is what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin.

God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning.  Then, on the 3rd Day, YHWH, the Son, took some of these matters  - air, dust, and water  - and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang,which cooled and became our Cosmos.

That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.

Our God is an Awesome God.


Wow,,,I can guess by what I just read, YOU don't write stories/books for a living.

You went way outside of what GOD's WORD said....

Blade

Dear Blade,

It's simple to know if one's interpretation is correct. If it agrees with God's Holy Word, true Science, and History, it's as close to the One Truth as is Humanly possible. The fault is Not with God's Truth, but with man's ability to understand it, for His thoughts are far above man's thoughts.

That's why I seek the agreement of every other discovered Truth, to measure against God's Holy Word. There is Only 1 Truth, and every other discovered Truth MUST agree with God's Truth or we have Not found the 1 Truth.

I also love to see other Christian's views, for that is the way we learn. The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs, and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action.

When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know God's Truth, face to face. How bout you.



You said:  "It's simple to know if one's interpretation is correct. If it agrees with God's Holy Word, true Science, and History, it's as close to the One Truth as is Humanly possible."

you mean GOD wrote the Bible with the forethought that man's science would agree 3500 years ago?   What about the History..... the same....


Man's science only confirms the Bible nothing else. YOUR interpretation is very dangerous to you for you are probably the only one to believe in it.

Blade






Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on January 27, 2019, 11:18:56 pm
Dear Readers,

Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity.

A Day in Genesis is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind. And the the 7th Day jas no no ending which means Eternity

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc.

A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day and this Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on January 28, 2019, 04:04:46 pm
Dear Readers,

Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity.

A Day in Genesis is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind. And the the 7th Day jas no no ending which means Eternity

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc.

A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day and this Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless


I see your not making any headway with re-writing the Bible.

I suppose you know more about the Hebrew than those scribes that translated the Septuagint LXX and the New Testament.   SO SAD!

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on January 28, 2019, 07:53:31 pm
Dear Readers,

Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity.

A Day in Genesis is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind. And the the 7th Day jas no no ending which means Eternity

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc.

A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day and this Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless


I see your not making any headway with re-writing the Bible.

I suppose you know more about the Hebrew than those scribes that translated the Septuagint LXX and the New Testament.   SO SAD!

Blade

Dear Blade,

Please stop accusing me of re-writing the Bible just because you still can NOT comprehend how to read Genesis 1 & 2...

It's also because God didn't write Genesis so that Ancient Men and Religionist of the Last Days could understand it. The Bible has been sealed until the last days before Jesus returns for His Church.

In fact. Dan 12:4 It is currently being unsealed as scientists learn more and more and knowledge increases which exposes the Author of Genesis as the Holy Spirit. ONLY God knew our future and wrote it in the First Chapter of Genesis more than 3,000 years ago.

1.The traditional religious story of the Creation is False - like yours.
2. God hid His Truth from mankind in the discoveries of today's Science - contrary to your view.
3. God is fulfilling his promise of Isa 42:16

Here’s another reason why knowledge of Biblical wisdom and understanding will increase on these last days of ours according to the promise - based on Biblical prophesies...

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

God also told Daniel the  following events on this last days:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased

Only the born again Christians of the last days will have the increased knowledge, which ancient men who lived thousands of years before Science, could NOT have possibly known.

This insures that ONLY those who come to God by FAITH in His Truth can be saved, since there are so many denominations which CANNOT support their allege "truth" with actual Scripture.

God bless

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on January 28, 2019, 10:40:02 pm
Dear Readers,

Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity.

A Day in Genesis is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind. And the the 7th Day jas no no ending which means Eternity

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc.

A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day and this Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless



I see your not making any headway with re-writing the Bible.

I suppose you know more about the Hebrew than those scribes that translated the Septuagint LXX and the New Testament.   SO SAD!


Dear Blade,

Please stop accusing me of re-writing the Bible just because you still can NOT comprehend how to read Genesis 1 & 2...

It's also because God didn't write Genesis so that Ancient Men and Religionist of the Last Days could understand it. The Bible has been sealed until the last days before Jesus returns for His Church.

In fact. Dan 12:4 It is currently being unsealed as scientists learn more and more and knowledge increases which exposes the Author of Genesis as the Holy Spirit. ONLY God knew our future and wrote it in the First Chapter of Genesis more than 3,000 years ago.

Seve:   You are right in one way, the Holy Spirit is the Author along with "the Father" and "the Son"

God did tell Daniel to seal up the text until the end days. THIS is the END Days and it has been since The Day Jesus died on that Cross. for after the 1st coming and death of Jesus Christ until His 2nd Coming is the "END DAYS". we have been in the End Days for 1900+ years.


1.The traditional religious story of the Creation is False - like yours.
2. God hid His Truth from mankind in the discoveries of today's Science - contrary to your view.
3. God is fulfilling his promise of Isa 42:16

Here’s another reason why knowledge of Biblical wisdom and understanding will increase on these last days of ours according to the promise - based on Biblical prophesies...

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
   

Yes, He is fulfilling Isa 42:16 and has been for a while.... He brings judgement on those who serve false GODS...Judgement is coming for those that place Man's sovereignty (Science) over GOD's sovereignty(His WORD).. You are in a dangerous place for your soul my young friend.

The WORDs written in GENESIS thru REVELATION KJV  are HIS words and you are disputing that.... I believe I would be very careful.


God also told Daniel the  following events on this last days:
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased[/u].

Only the born again Christians of the last days will have the increased knowledge, which ancient men who lived thousands of years before Science, could NOT have possibly known.

Seve, Those Born again Christians have been being reborn for 1900+ years and still counting. To be truthful, the Bible is giving up its secrets every day as the Knowledge of the Bible increases.   NOT the Knowledge of man...........

This insures that ONLY those who come to God by FAITH in His Truth can be saved, since there are so many denominations which CANNOT support their allege "truth" with actual Scripture.

God bless

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Seve, Accordingly, I would add 'your truth about the scriptures'  to those you speak about (above) as false.

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on January 29, 2019, 05:22:08 am
God tells us we live in a Multiverse composed of at least 2 or more Universes or Worlds.

The first was totally destroyed in the Flood (Adam’ world) - dissolved and it’s gone forever . ll Peter 3:6 The present Universe will be burned and will also be dissolved. ll Peter 3:10 The third Heaven or World is forever. Rev. 22:5 No ancient man traditional view could have possibly known this and wrote it 3k years ago.

Here are other Truths in Genesis:

The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End

God also tells us that Adam was made the 3rd Day after the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants grew. Gen. 2:4-7. The Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen. 1:9-10 The plants GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen. 1:12.

This shows that the first Human, Adam, was formed of the dust of the ground LONG BEFORE ANY other living creature, before the plants, herbs, trees, Sun, Moon, Stars of our Cosmos, and "EVERY other living creature that moves" which came forth from the water on Day 5. Adam became Jesus'meet during the the Creation process on the 3rd Day,

There is no interpretation needed since Science has measured the time since the Big Bang at 13.7 Billion years ago, and God shows it was 3 Days or Ages ago, which means that EACH of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time. God's Truth is the Truth Scientifically, Historically, and in EVERY other way, IF you can understand God's Holy Word.

Only God, the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, the Creator who CANNOT Lie would get these things scientifically correct, even today. I like the FACT that Gen 2:4 shows that the Big Bang of our world was on the THIRD Day and the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos did NOT put forth their Light until the FOURTH Day. Gen 1:16

Science has recently learned that it took Hundreds of Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang BEFORE the FIRST Stars put forth their Light. It's PROOF that ONLY God could have written Genesis.

 God and true science discoveries are in agreement.

God bless
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on January 29, 2019, 06:52:14 am
Relevant post of mine taken from the other thread:

Here’s where Adam was physically formed on the 3rd Day BEFORE he was created in the image and likeness of God together with Eve on the 6th Day.

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground on the THIRD Day:

v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

v5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day.

v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed.
v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.

Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul. In fact, Adam wasn't even created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their “original sin by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.

IOW, Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally,…. after A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel… In fact, the actual Creation This Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord as recorded and explained in the Scripture below - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27) - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel; and the creation event took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ...and repent.

Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning could NOT have been made in the image or likeness of God.

Therefore, not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God from natural birth, unless, one is Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living sou l; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Amen?
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 02, 2019, 06:15:19 am
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on February 02, 2019, 06:31:07 am
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless


Yes, we ARE one, The Body Of Christ - The BOC -

1 Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV -

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 06, 2019, 01:36:24 pm
Dear Readers,

Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity.

A Day in Genesis is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind. And the the 7th Day jas no no ending which means Eternity

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc.

A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day and this Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless


Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on February 06, 2019, 01:43:14 pm



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Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?
Teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity. They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.

So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is its meaning in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" (KJV). Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.

The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son.

The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms that help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity. The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some pseudo-Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.





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Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 06, 2019, 09:34:41 pm
Dear Readers,

Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity.

A Day in Genesis is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind. And the the 7th Day jas no no ending which means Eternity

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc.

A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day and this Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless


Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?

Seve, You Said: "Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity."

Seve you are among many who use "yom" as a Day unknowing that it can be translated to 54 other words. However, in the Bible, out of the 1480 times "yom" is used, 1181 of them refer to DAY in the preceding context. In addition, if a number is used with "yom" the result is ALWAYS a LITERAL day.

However, the above may be informative but does not confirm that each day was 24 hours??

In Exodus, God wrote in stone by His own Finger, the Ten Commandments He gave to Moses. 

Exodus 20:11.."For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Here we are told by GOD, to keep the sabbath day holy.

The Hebrew Sabbath Day is the seventh day of the week (God given) and a 24 hour day. This corresponds directly to the seventh day,"wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day,". Thereby, the other six Literal days are also 24 hour in length.

For in Exodus 20:10  we see: "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:.........."

This above has been accepted by the majority of scholars as the definition of Creation Days are: 24 hour in length.

Seve, you are going to have to read the Bible literally and accept the Hebrew/Greek translations as being what GOD wanted us to know or NOT!

It is your Choice!

Blade

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 08, 2019, 04:15:06 am

Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?


Dear Arius,

Like his invisible God Father, the Son already existed at the bosom of the Father from the beginning; from everlasting- BEFORE the World was. He was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world in the beginning of creation of our physical worlds... when God commanded the first “Word” spoken in the Scripture.... and said... "LET THERE BE LIGHT": and there was light. Gen. 1:3

YHWH or Jesus, the Son, became the only God physically formed for us to see and witness. He was sent again into our world in the NT and made flesh ; sacrifice himself and die for us; to save us from our sins.

His Father is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love.... without physical shape or form.… that changes Not.

The brightness of the glory of the the Son of God provided the light in the Beginning (Alpha) as He will also provide the light of new heaven in the End (Omega)

Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

God bless
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 08, 2019, 04:42:21 am
Seve, You Said: "Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity."

Seve you are among many who use "yom" as a Day unknowing that it can be translated to 54 other words. However, in the Bible, out of the 1480 times "yom" is used, 1181 of them refer to DAY in the preceding context. In addition, if a number is used with "yom" the result is ALWAYS a LITERAL day.

However, the above may be informative but does not confirm that each day was 24 hours??

In Exodus, God wrote in stone by His own Finger, the Ten Commandments He gave to Moses. 

Exodus 20:11.."For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Here we are told by GOD, to keep the sabbath day holy.

The Hebrew Sabbath Day is the seventh day of the week (God given) and a 24 hour day. This corresponds directly to the seventh day,"wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day,". Thereby, the other six Literal days are also 24 hour in length.

For in Exodus 20:10  we see: "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:.........."

This above has been accepted by the majority of scholars as the definition of Creation Days are: 24 hour in length.

Seve, you are going to have to read the Bible literally and accept the Hebrew/Greek translations as being what GOD wanted us to know or NOT!

It is your Choice!

Blade

Dear Blade,

Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time.

God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of Genesis. At the end of this 6th Day, Heaven will be complete, and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to Perfection, God will rest for Eternity, the 7th Day, which has No end.

Man's time began on the 4th Day and depends on the movements of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond this Universe, He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars. Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is burned. God's time is Eternal.

A good example of this Scriptural Truth is when YHWH told Adam that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed his commandment. Adam did Not die physically within 24 hours, for he lived to be 930 years old as shown in Gen 5:5. Adam did not die Spiritually because God doesn't make mistakes and those who are born Spiritually are born Eternally.

Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be the 6th Day. All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th Day. God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect.T

Once again, the Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.

Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day (still in the future), when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

IOW - The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow. Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for others - i.e. Unbelievers, Pretenders and Religionist - of the Last Days to comprehend.

In order to understand, they need to study and search the Scripture more seriously and be approved by God ….“Rightly dividing the word of Truth”.

God bless
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 08, 2019, 07:41:37 pm
Seve, You Said: "Each of God's Days in Genesis is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word “Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity."

Seve you are among many who use "yom" as a Day unknowing that it can be translated to 54 other words. However, in the Bible, out of the 1480 times "yom" is used, 1181 of them refer to DAY in the preceding context. In addition, if a number is used with "yom" the result is ALWAYS a LITERAL day.

However, the above may be informative but does not confirm that each day was 24 hours??

In Exodus, God wrote in stone by His own Finger, the Ten Commandments He gave to Moses. 

Exodus 20:11.."For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Here we are told by GOD, to keep the sabbath day holy.

The Hebrew Sabbath Day is the seventh day of the week (God given) and a 24 hour day. This corresponds directly to the seventh day,"wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day,". Thereby, the other six Literal days are also 24 hour in length.

For in Exodus 20:10  we see: "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:.........."

This above has been accepted by the majority of scholars as the definition of Creation Days are: 24 hour in length.

Seve, you are going to have to read the Bible literally and accept the Hebrew/Greek translations as being what GOD wanted us to know or NOT!

It is your Choice!

Blade

Dear Blade,

Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time.

God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of Genesis. At the end of this 6th Day, Heaven will be complete, and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to Perfection, God will rest for Eternity, the 7th Day, which has No end.

Man's time began on the 4th Day and depends on the movements of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond this Universe, He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars. Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is burned. God's time is Eternal.

A good example of this Scriptural Truth is when YHWH told Adam that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed his commandment. Adam did Not die physically within 24 hours, for he lived to be 930 years old as shown in Gen 5:5. Adam did not die Spiritually because God doesn't make mistakes and those who are born Spiritually are born Eternally.

Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be the 6th Day. All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th Day. God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect.T

Once again, the Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.

Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day (still in the future), when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

IOW - The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow. Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for others - i.e. Unbelievers, Pretenders and Religionist - of the Last Days to comprehend.

In order to understand, they need to study and search the Scripture more seriously and be approved by God ….“Rightly dividing the word of Truth”.

God bless


Seve, you said"Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time.

If you referring to the dispensation periods that have happened since the Beginning Day One  of Creation, we are in the general area of 5779 years. This is according to Hebrew Rabbi's and is confirmed by other sources including the Bible.

Therefore we are in the 5th dispensation period and if the seven days of creation are any indication and when we use God's WORD;

2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

We can then determine than we still have the 6th dispensation period to go before the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. That dispensation period would be the Millennium.
The 7th day was a day of rest and GOD did nothing.

Thus, after the Millennium, the 7th dispensation period will begin and the 1st day of the 7,000th year will have come and gone. According to Jesus Christ, this dispensation will continue forever and ever.

Therefore the name for this dispensation period;

ETERNITY


Blade
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Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 08, 2019, 10:35:39 pm
Dear Readers,

Genesis 2:4-7 tell us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" becoming a natural living soul, on the 3rd Day, as Jesus meet…..... The SAME Day the first Earth was made, and the Same Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, BEFORE the plants, herbs, trees, Stars of our Cosmos, and life which came forth from the water on the 5th Day....  and those creatures made by Jesus on the 6th Day from the dust of the ground, which Adam named.

Adam lived for Billions of years with Jesus, as our Lord’s meet during the Making of our present Universe.. Adam was surrounded by a Shekinah Glory similar to the one Jesus have, but lost his Shekinah Glory when he sinned on the 6th Day together with Eve - and found themselves naked - in body of flesh and blood.

In fact, the dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History . A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) on our present planet by Noah's great grandsons some 10k years ago - Gen 10:10 - AFTER Ark arrived here from the 1st world which was totally destroyed / dissolved by the Great Universal Flood.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Scripture also tells us that… God who’s full of Mercy, redeemed Adam and Eve of their sins and were Created in their image and likeness or born again, spiritually during Seth generations..... after Man started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen.4:26) . (Gen. 5:1-3 cross - Gen 1:26-27;).

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Our God is an Awesome God.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 09, 2019, 10:24:08 pm
Dear Readers,

Genesis 2:4-7 tell us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" becoming a natural living soul, on the 3rd Day, as Jesus meet…..... The SAME Day the first Earth was made, and the Same Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, BEFORE the plants, herbs, trees, Stars of our Cosmos, and life which came forth from the water on the 5th Day....  and those creatures made by Jesus on the 6th Day from the dust of the ground, which Adam named.

Adam lived for Billions of years with Jesus, as our Lord’s meet during the Making of our present Universe.. Adam was surrounded by a Shekinah Glory similar to the one Jesus have, but lost his Shekinah Glory when he sinned on the 6th Day together with Eve - and found themselves naked - in body of flesh and blood.

In fact, the dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History . A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) on our present planet by Noah's great grandsons some 10k years ago - Gen 10:10 - AFTER Ark arrived here from the 1st world which was totally destroyed / dissolved by the Great Universal Flood.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Scripture also tells us that… God who’s full of Mercy, redeemed Adam and Eve of their sins and were Created in their image and likeness or born again, spiritually during Seth generations..... after Man started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen.4:26) . (Gen. 5:1-3 cross - Gen 1:26-27;).

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Our God is an Awesome God.


Boy Howdy,  you sure did step in the slop jar this time! GOD made man on the 3rd day??????Hum.....Don't think so....But that one error causes all the other items you have stated as being at the best, suspect..

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 10, 2019, 12:06:05 am

Boy Howdy,  you sure did step in the slop jar this time! GOD made man on the 3rd day??????Hum.....Don't think so....But that one error causes all the other items you have stated as being at the best, suspect..

Blade

Dear Readers,

Here's the REAL TRUTH... contrary to Blade's FALSE assertion....

So far, the relevant PREVIOUS post below is contrary to Blades' misrepresentation of facts above..... and the Post below REMAINS UNCONTESTED... simply because...

Blade could NOT refute it using the Scripture to support his/her FALSE accusation and misrepresentation of my Biblical stand


Here’s where Adam was physically formed on the 3rd Day BEFORE he was created in the image and likeness of God together with Eve on the 6th Day.

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground on the THIRD Day:

v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

v5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day.

v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed.
v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.

Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul. In fact, Adam wasn't even created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their “original sin by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.

IOW, Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally,…. after A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel… In fact, the actual Creation This Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord as recorded and explained in the Scripture below - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27) - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel; and the creation event took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ...and repent.

Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning could NOT have been made in the image or likeness of God.

Therefore, not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God from natural birth, unless, one is Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living sou l; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Amen?


Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 10, 2019, 06:27:44 am

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Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?

Teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity.

"Equal in essence", .. can you find me a Scripture verse that explains, or even hints on such "equality"? I know Jesus never claimed that, and I thought I have exhausted all Scripture references used to justify this equality, but none did justice.
If Jesus is equal to God, then he must have been very confused when this 2/3'ds of God was here on earth by the comments he made, wouldn't you think my brother?
Now the Angel of Fire that appeared to Moses we see was clearly God "in the Angel", yet the Trinitarians ignore that fourth God, .. why?

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Patrick Jane Said: They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.

So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is its meaning in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" (KJV). Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.

The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son.

I don't see it like the JW's, or any other Christian denomination.

Yes, I understand all that, but the Word (before he became flesh and was named Jesus) was the First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega, as John 1- explains, while after him God had many "children", some even became disobedient and left their abode and came flirting with the daughters of men, and married whomever they chose, .. right?

The Bible says "the Only Begotten Son of God", because like Eve, she was the Only begotten of Adam. Adam was created in the Image of God, and it is obvious that Eve was begotten or "taken out of" Adam.

Now Adam and even beget many other children, just as through the son Word, God beget many other children also. It says it right in John and other places who Gods son Word was, and he is always the true one, and unlike Abraham who's first child was of sin through Hagar, (doubting God is a sin, since Abraham allowed his wife to doubt God) we can't use sin begotten children as an example. (I don't want to sound sarcastic my dear brother but) that is a Christian habit to include sin begotten children into the Trinity Apologetic.

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The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms that help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity.

Please my dearest friends, think how that sounds? Yes, of course God made it so we could understand this Father and son relationship, but How the son Word came to be is clearly shown throughout the Bible, especially in:

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
27 So
God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

So here is God talking to His son Word: “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness" (please notice how the KJV and NKJV capitalizes the word "Our" to keep the Trinity in the readers mind that these are gods talking) So how could we liken this to Abraham and Hagar? We can't, it is about man Adam, and the woman Eve, right?
Now look how clear this is: So[/i] God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. .. man was in Gods image, and how do we know Eve was in the son's Word image?

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

So obviously since All things were created through the son Word, then God created all his other Children through him too, so this fits Eve since all men came through Eve.

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The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some pseudo-Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.

But that is what the Bible says (I disagree on who the JW's say Jesus is and on many other of their way-out doctrines) but have to agree on this one. What's written has to stay, and it is reiterated throughout the Bible, while Jesus being God is not.

Someone Co-equal with God would never say "My Father is greater than I, .. I do what my Father commands me to do, and say what I heard Him say" and so on.
My son will never be equal with me, he will always remain my son, and I will always remain his father. He was never born my equal, nor will he ever be my father as this Christian doctrine try to use:

Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says,

But about the son WHO says? This is David prophesying of the son Word coming into the world:

Psalm 45:2 You are the most excellent of men
    and your lips have been anointed with grace,
    since God has blessed you forever.
3 Gird your sword on your side, you mighty one;
    clothe yourself with splendor and majesty.
4 In your majesty ride forth victoriously
    in the cause of truth, humility and justice;
    let your right hand achieve awesome deeds.
5 Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies;
    let the nations fall beneath your feet.

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And it is here David is saying what the son is fighting for as he comes into this world:

Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says, (the son of God is saying this)
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
    a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.


(now this is David saying about the son Word becoming flesh as Jesus Christ-)

9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
    therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
    by anointing you with the oil of joy.”


(as is explained in Colossians 1:15-17)

Putting all things in perspective, while the Trinity is always taking Scripture out of context to try to justify God dying, which they can only do by making Jesus God.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 10, 2019, 08:01:15 am

Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation, Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing, and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days, to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His tasks.

Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.

God bless you.

PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?

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Dear Arius,

Like his invisible God Father, the Son already existed at the bosom of the Father from the beginning; from everlasting- BEFORE the World was. He was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world in the beginning of creation of our physical worlds... when God commanded the first “Word” spoken in the Scripture.... and said... "LET THERE BE LIGHT": and there was light. Gen. 1:3

YHWH or Jesus, the Son, became the only God physically formed for us to see and witness. He was sent again into our world in the NT and made flesh ; sacrifice himself and die for us; to save us from our sins.

His Father is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love.... without physical shape or form.… that changes Not.

The brightness of the glory of the the Son of God provided the light in the Beginning (Alpha) as He will also provide the light of new heaven in the End (Omega)

Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

God bless


Dear Arius,

Here's how you can also reconcile the bringing forth (begotten) of the Son of God (YHWH) into our physical worlds from the beginning; from everlasting -  coming from the Same Spiritual Essence and attributes of His God Father.... 

He became known as the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. ....... For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily - Col 2:9.  ..... Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:9


Note: I am going to cite 3 different Scriptures as my Biblical Proof Texts that are in harmony together -  acting as my witnesses:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Prov. 8:22

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:2

The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2

I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Prov 8:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

When there were no depths, I was brought forth (begotten); when there were no fountains abounding with water. Prov 8:24

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.Gen.1:4

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Prov 8:25

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:5


Amen?

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 10, 2019, 09:37:58 pm
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless



Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with God. Big difference!

Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and his God, because?

John 5:          The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God? Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 10, 2019, 10:10:42 pm
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless



Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with God. Big difference!

Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and his God, because?

John 5:          The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God? Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 11, 2019, 07:19:06 pm
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless



Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with God. Big difference!

Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and his God, because?

John 5:          The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God? Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


Blade

Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found, I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more then one mentioned in the Bible is

Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
(singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we are many.” (plural)

I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the Christian Religion that has done that!

Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding (please forgive me for saying this) bull ****, hoping to mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s

That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from every Christian Forum for doing it.

May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.

2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.


In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with substance, not blind faith.

Arius
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 11, 2019, 08:10:10 pm
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless



Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with God. Big difference!

Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and his God, because?

John 5:          The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God? Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


Blade

Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found, I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more then one mentioned in the Bible is

Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
(singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we are many.” (plural)

I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the Christian Religion that has done that!

Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding (please forgive me for saying this) bull ****, hoping to mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s

That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from every Christian Forum for doing it.

May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.

2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.


In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with substance, not blind faith.

Arius


Arius, all of the scripture you mentioned was part of the Law God gave Moses for the Israeli people. We at this time are no longer under the LAW but rather the Grace of Jesus Christ.

Did you listen to the POPE about the failure at the cross? I guess you believed him?
NO...then If he does not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ why are you following him (the pope)?

Jesus gave us the laws to follow in the books that Paul wrote.

Hope you change your mind.

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on February 11, 2019, 08:26:59 pm


do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


Blade
[/quote]

Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found, I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more then one mentioned in the Bible is

Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
(singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we are many.” (plural)

I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the Christian Religion that has done that!

Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding (please forgive me for saying this) bull ****, hoping to mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s

That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from every Christian Forum for doing it.

May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.

2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.


In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with substance, not blind faith.

Arius
[/quote]


Arius, all of the scripture you mentioned was part of the Law God gave Moses for the Israeli people. We at this time are no longer under the LAW but rather the Grace of Jesus Christ.

Did you listen to the POPE about the failure at the cross? I guess you believed him?
NO...then If he does not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ why are you following him (the pope)?

Jesus gave us the laws to follow in the books that Paul wrote.

Hope you change your mind.

Blade

[/quote]That pope video was doctored at the end with applause etc. He did say that but he tried to explain it right after he said it at the time. The video is deceptive.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 11, 2019, 09:44:00 pm


do you believe in HELL Arius or is  it your intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath falls upon you?   

you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was."

Your calling GOD the same as demons?


Blade

Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found, I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more then one mentioned in the Bible is

Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
(singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we are many.” (plural)

I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the Christian Religion that has done that!

Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding (please forgive me for saying this) bull ****, hoping to mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s

That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from every Christian Forum for doing it.

May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.

2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.


In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with substance, not blind faith.

Arius
[/quote]


Arius, all of the scripture you mentioned was part of the Law God gave Moses for the Israeli people. We at this time are no longer under the LAW but rather the Grace of Jesus Christ.

Did you listen to the POPE about the failure at the cross? I guess you believed him?
NO...then If he does not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ why are you following him (the pope)?

Jesus gave us the laws to follow in the books that Paul wrote.

Hope you change your mind.

Blade

[/quote]That pope video was doctored at the end with applause etc. He did say that but he tried to explain it right after he said it at the time. The video is deceptive.
[/quote]

Thank you PJ....You never know these days.

DID you hear that Arius.....the pope video was doctored. findings by PJ.

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 16, 2019, 03:09:30 am
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless
Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless

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Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Dear Arius

Sorry, but I am using the Original Old King James Version of the Bible - word for word - from Hebrew to English - UNLIKE your bible rendition of NIV - I believe to be adulterated version already.

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.

That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

Dear Arius,

Your disagreement to my version of Biblical Trinity Stand... is only based on your poor and distorted understanding of the Mystical Union of God as One (collective One, that is) that I have previously posted…  and also  your allege refutation is based only on your own Standard Trinity doctrinal defensive argument which differ with mine obviously. TRY AGAIN?

By the way.... Do you know the meaning and the usage of the Hebrew word "ECHAD" as Collective One?

IN FACT, the Scripture also document us that the Son came forth or proceeded forth - begotten - directly from the Father, in the beginning; from everlasting.

Therefore, how can you NOT see that the Father and the Son have THE SAME ESSENCE.... when you already agree that Adam and Eve became one flesh AFTER their Union of MARRIAGE.... because Eve came from Adam's rib, correct?

Read and learn:

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Even the Spirit of Truth came forth from the Father.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Again, read my post below repeatedly and let me know if you still don’t understand or disagree with it.


Dear Arius,

Here's how you can also reconcile the bringing forth (begotten) of the Son of God (YHWH) into our physical worlds from the beginning; from everlasting -  coming from the Same Spiritual Essence and attributes of His God Father.... 

He became known as the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. ....... For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily - Col 2:9.  ..... Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:9


Note: I am going to cite 3 different Scriptures as my Biblical Proof Texts that are in harmony together -  acting as my witnesses:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Prov. 8:22

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:2

The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2

I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Prov 8:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

When there were no depths, I was brought forth (begotten); when there were no fountains abounding with water. Prov 8:24

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.Gen.1:4

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Prov 8:25

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:5


Amen?

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 21, 2019, 03:00:08 pm
The Plurality of God ("Trinity")  as One, based on the Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.

A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven,  it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a Mystical Union.

One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent.... The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One (echad) God - Collective One that is.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad)LORD.

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense according to John 17:21.

Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless
Here’ another example:

“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are One (Unity). 1John 5:7

Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT in Numeric Number.

God bless

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Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:

1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Dear Arius

Sorry, but I am using the Original Old King James Version of the Bible - word for word - from Hebrew to English - UNLIKE your bible rendition of NIV - I believe to be adulterated version already.

Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite Creator into three persons.

That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about, separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.

God bless you Seve.

Dear Arius,

Your disagreement to my version of Biblical Trinity Stand... is only based on your poor and distorted understanding of the Mystical Union of God as One (collective One, that is) that I have previously posted…  and also  your allege refutation is based only on your own Standard Trinity doctrinal defensive argument which differ with mine obviously. TRY AGAIN?

By the way.... Do you know the meaning and the usage of the Hebrew word "ECHAD" as Collective One?

IN FACT, the Scripture also document us that the Son came forth or proceeded forth - begotten - directly from the Father, in the beginning; from everlasting.

Therefore, how can you NOT see that the Father and the Son have THE SAME ESSENCE.... when you already agree that Adam and Eve became one flesh AFTER their Union of MARRIAGE.... because Eve came from Adam's rib, correct?

Read and learn:

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Even the Spirit of Truth came forth from the Father.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Again, read my post below repeatedly and let me know if you still don’t understand or disagree with it.


Dear Arius,

Here's how you can also reconcile the bringing forth (begotten) of the Son of God (YHWH) into our physical worlds from the beginning; from everlasting -  coming from the Same Spiritual Essence and attributes of His God Father.... 

He became known as the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. ....... For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily - Col 2:9.  ..... Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:9


Note: I am going to cite 3 different Scriptures as my Biblical Proof Texts that are in harmony together -  acting as my witnesses:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Prov. 8:22

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:2

The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2

I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Prov 8:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

When there were no depths, I was brought forth (begotten); when there were no fountains abounding with water. Prov 8:24

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.Gen.1:4

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Prov 8:25

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:5


Amen?


Greetings Seve, and I pray the Lord would open your eyes that you would see/understand what you are reading, because you are adding the Trinity in them verses. I keep saying (as I have for the past 20 years) that Yes, the son Word, the Holy Spirit, the seven Spirits of God, the Angels of the Lord Michael, Gabriel, the Angel of Fire, and yes, even you and me can be "One with God", but the Trinity-gods will never be one with God, .. never, because it is idolatry. They are deities, deified by man just as the Catholic church deifies many saints/gods, just as they have before Christ arrived.

Again: There is a huge difference between my wife and two kids being one with me, or saying that "Arius is actually made up of three persons", or in my case; four persons.

The Word was with God, and the Word 'was' God just as Eve was Adam BEFORE God took her out of him. Does Eve make up Adam?
No.
Eves existence came from Adam, she does not make up who Adam is. Same with God, He Is, or as he told Moses: "I Am".
Let's say you invent three things in your mind like a toaster, a coffeemaker and a pool table. Do these three objects make up who you are?

The Word was the "beginning of All Gods Creation", if you cannot see/understand this, it is because the Spirit of God has not, or could not make you see it, and that would be on your part, not his.
God can do all things, but He will not force anyone to accept Him. He has done and said all there is to say to make anyone willing to see/understand Him. But to do so, we have to give up a few things, starting with our Religion and the gods in said religion.

I can say this all day, but you will not see/understand because you, just like we all have for the past 1,700 years been blinded by this Christian Religion created by the RCC during Constantine.

Now I could go over it again and again, verse by verse and explain every Bible quote you posted to show you that it was God who CREATED or beget all things, and the first of all His creation was His son Word, just as you point it out to me, the only problem is that you will never see/understand what you are actually quoting unless you step outside your box/Religion.

Like this here:

Quote
Seve quoted:
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Prov 8:3

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

Like the words: "I was set up", doesn't mean someone set God up. You cannot "set up" Infinite and Eternal, He simply Is, or as he said: "I Am". Now re-read everything else you quoted, .. and until you see "God creating, God saying, God doing" in those verses, then I have nothing further to say that will make any sense to you. It's not complicated really, all it takes is a unadulterated willing heart, and there is no greater adulterated doctrine than the Trinity. The R.C. Christians have tortured and murdered millions and millions over it in their past 1,700 year rule over the Bible.
I mean come on, WWJD, torture people who don't understand who he is, or who his Father is?
No, of course not, as we can see how the Jews denied who he was even though Jesus fulfilled every prophesy about his coming. Jesus did not torture or murder anyone to accept those prophesies.

God bless you, the One and ONLY possible Infinite and Eternal "I Am" that is.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 21, 2019, 03:47:43 pm
Dear Arius,


Simple questions  just to make sure I understand your Biblical stand correctly.

Who do you think the Father of our Lord YHWH is? What is His name?

Who do you think the Christ is? Whose Son is He?

Thanks

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 21, 2019, 06:27:42 pm
Dear Arius,


Simple questions  just to make sure I understand your Biblical stand correctly.

Who do you think the Father of our Lord YHWH is? What is His name?

Love you brother Seve, first, YHWH is a reference to God, but if you mean the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, then here is how I understand God as revealed by His son Word (in the Bible):

Infinite and Eternal is God, thus by the very definition of Infinite and Eternal there can be No Other gods besides Him. I mean where would you put another god besides Infinite which is borderless, .. right?

I see/understand Infinite as I see and understand my (our) own spirit/mind, which I believe is of God, that "breath of life" He gave into the body of Adam that He made of the dust of the earth, and is passed down to us all, making us living beings, or "mankind".
Our mind/spirit is also Infinite, and belongs to God, and eventually will return to God, the One who gave it.
Gods spirit/breath inside this temple that is made out of quantum dust particles makes us "individuals" from God, with free will, just as our Creator and Father has free will.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (NIV)
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own


God has no name because he is not a created being, but just references to Him, which can be anything from Lord, to;
YHWH.
El.
Eloah.
Elohim.
Elohai.
El Shaddai.
Tzevaot.
Jah.
Heavenly Father, .. etc.

But the name that truly defines Infinite/Mind, which He said was His name forever is: "I Am"
This takes some wisdom to understand since God has many names in the Bible that we can refer to at different time with different needs, like under the law it would be "Lord". When feeling lost or hopeless it would be "Heavenly Father" etc. But what really defines The Infinite/Mind/Spirit is His revelation of consciousness: "I Am", .. which is like Infinite/Spirit, someone who cannot be seen, saying; "I exist".

Quote
Who do you think the Christ is? Whose Son is He?

Thanks

Here, this is exactly how I understand, ..  and because all evidence points to it is how I also believe Jesus Christ is:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Since God is Infinite and Eternal (not to be confused with 'space' someone traveling through infinity and 'time' as in living for an eternity) The above verse is revealing Gods son Word, since all things were created through Him, he is the "beginning and the end" of all creation. Someone who has a "beginning and end cannot be Infinite, nor Eternal, which is God.
God is not a created being parse, but "the Ground of Being", or simply "Infinite".

The son Word -
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

Then, when the time of the prophesies came to be fulfilled:

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Mathew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

God bless you.

Arius
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 21, 2019, 10:02:53 pm
Dear Arius,

Let me rephrase the SIMPLE question for you, my friend... It needs a simple answer!!!

Do you consider our Lord YHWH, known as the great "I AM" of the OT, as God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?

Thanks
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 22, 2019, 06:50:26 pm
Dear Arius,

Let me rephrase the SIMPLE question for you, my friend... It needs a simple answer!!!

Do you consider our Lord YHWH, known as the great "I AM" of the OT, as God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?

Thanks

To you and Arius both.

1 Tom 3:16.(KJV)."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

That manifestation of the Flesh by GOD himself was Jesus Christ!!!!!
Jesus is GOD and GOD is Jesus

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 24, 2019, 02:54:35 am
Dear Readers,

YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been revealed to anyone at this time.

In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically. 

IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ... simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has been revealed to anyone at this time...

YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him, there was none... neither there shall be after him.

Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our world... made flesh...  and became known as Jesus Christ...  and die for us to save us from our sins.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.


God bless

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 24, 2019, 07:35:32 pm
Dear Readers,

YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been revealed to anyone at this time.

In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically. 

IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ... simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has been revealed to anyone at this time...

YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him, there was none... neither there shall be after him.

Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our world... made flesh...  and became known as Jesus Christ...  and die for us to save us from our sins.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.
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God bless

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

Blade

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 24, 2019, 08:28:46 pm

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

Blade



Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....

Read the following texts below... for your additional learning and references:

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER.... contrary to your mistaken view.

God bless
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 24, 2019, 11:27:51 pm

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

Blade



Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....

Read the following texts below... for your additional learning and references:

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER.... contrary to your mistaken view.

God bless

I agree with you on the "spirit", "Unseen", "invisable", etc.   The Bible does tell us that God is a spirit. Yet, there are hints that GOD really does have form of some sort. For a God was speaking to Moses on Mt. Sinai, He tells him the following:

Exodus 33:20.. "You cannot see my face; for no man shall see me, and live v21..And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: v.22..And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: v23..And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."

Here we see all parts of GOD by His WORD. face, hand, back parts.........

In addition, John tells us in Rev. 5.1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."

Gen 32:25..."So Jacob called the place Peniel,[fn] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.

Acts 7:55..."But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Compare the above verse "the glory of GOD"  to Exodus 33.20.."while my glory passeth by"....Could they be the same???????

****

In the following passage, we see Moses tell the people of Israel, the reason why GOD does not show His face?

as we see in Deu 4:14-20.."And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might observe them in the land which you cross over to possess. "Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, "lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female, "the likeness of any animal that is on the earth or the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, "the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground or the likeness of any fish that is in the water beneath the earth. "And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them, which the Lord your God has given to all the peoples under the whole heaven as a heritage. "But the Lord has taken you and brought you out of the iron furnace, out of Egypt, to be his people, an inheritance, as you are this day "


God in His infinite power and understanding/reasoning far beyond our ability to do so, has declined to show us His Face. Yet, As 'Jesus is GOD' we find that in :

1 John 3:2...."Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

As John did in REV 5, one day, the Church (Body/Bride) of Christ and those that have died believing in Jesus Christ will see GOD in all His Glory.

The hintsI have shown are just that. Hints......Spirit Yes, with Hints of a Body no one has seen.

From the bible Verses all-in-all, we cannot know for  sure what kind of body GOD really does have.


Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on February 25, 2019, 12:31:52 am
Dear Blade,

The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you have seen the Father.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.

Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy Spirit  - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was full of Holy Spirit....  simply because...

John 1:18  No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

God bless
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 25, 2019, 10:04:00 am
Dear Blade,

The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you have seen the Father.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.

Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy Spirit  - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was full of Holy Spirit....  simply because...

John 1:18  No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

God bless

of course it is you choice. I prefer to believe the Bible as it is written.

We have our opinions on the subject out there  for others  to read and make their choice.

Have a good day sir.

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 25, 2019, 01:15:54 pm
Dear Arius,

Let me rephrase the SIMPLE question for you, my friend... It needs a simple answer!!!

Do you consider our Lord YHWH, known as the great "I AM" of the OT, as God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?

Thanks

Yes, of course.
God, Infinite and Eternal "I Am" beget His son Word, through whom He created all things (John 1:1 - ) and later His son Word became flesh, was named Jesus and dwelt amongst us.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 25, 2019, 02:08:53 pm
Dear Blade,

The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you have seen the Father.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.

Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy Spirit  - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was full of Holy Spirit....  simply because...

John 1:18  No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

God bless

Brother Seve, I mean you got it perfect, except that the begotten son Word being God, .. or one of the gods that make up God as the Trinity has him, neither which you can justify from Scripture.

There is only One God, the Infinite and Eternal conscious Mind/Spirit whom no one has seen, nor can see, except for His presence, which is like the sun, but much, much brighter.

When the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, he was as the Fiery Angel of the Lord before Moses, only more personal, for he is Gods only begotten, the first of All Gods creations. That is why he is called the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, because he is 'just that'. But God is Infinite and Eternal, which has no beginning nor end.
Then when the son fulfilled his task, God raised him above all principalities and powers, above all Angels, where now the son Word is only second to God Himself, .. just as Joseph was second only to Pharaoh.

So you and I understand it the same, only you confuse Gods son with God. Yes, he is a perfect representation of God where if you see/hear him, it is as God speaking. Remember; Joseph and Pharaoh was a reflection of the son Word later Jesus, and God, but Joseph never claimed to be Pharaoh, just as neither as the son Word, or as Jesus did he ever claim to be God.

In the OT, both God, and the son Word show up at times, like in the Fiery Angel of the Lord, it was definitely God Infinite and Eternal, but in Daniel 3 with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, we see it was the son Word aka Jesus Christ:

Daniel 3:24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?”
They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.”
25 “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the son of God.”


God bless you


Arius
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 25, 2019, 06:20:11 pm
Dear Blade,

The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you have seen the Father.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.

Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy Spirit  - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was full of Holy Spirit....  simply because...

John 1:18  No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

God bless

Brother Seve, I mean you got it perfect, except that the begotten son Word being God, .. or one of the gods that make up God as the Trinity has him, neither which you can justify from Scripture.

There is only One God, the Infinite and Eternal conscious Mind/Spirit whom no one has seen, nor can see, except for His presence, which is like the sun, but much, much brighter.

When the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, he was as the Fiery Angel of the Lord before Moses, only more personal, for he is Gods only begotten, the first of All Gods creations. That is why he is called the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, because he is 'just that'. But God is Infinite and Eternal, which has no beginning nor end.
Then when the son fulfilled his task, God raised him above all principalities and powers, above all Angels, where now the son Word is only second to God Himself, .. just as Joseph was second only to Pharaoh.

So you and I understand it the same, only you confuse Gods son with God. Yes, he is a perfect representation of God where if you see/hear him, it is as God speaking. Remember; Joseph and Pharaoh was a reflection of the son Word later Jesus, and God, but Joseph never claimed to be Pharaoh, just as neither as the son Word, or as Jesus did he ever claim to be God.

In the OT, both God, and the son Word show up at times, like in the Fiery Angel of the Lord, it was definitely God Infinite and Eternal, but in Daniel 3 with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, we see it was the son Word aka Jesus Christ:

Daniel 3:24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?”
They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.”
25 “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the son of God.”


God bless you


Arius

ARius, you said:"When the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, he was as the Fiery Angel of the Lord before Moses, only more personal, for he is Gods only begotten, the first of All Gods creations."


1 Tim 3:16..."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Here we see that GOD himself was manifest in the FLESH, and they called Him Jesus.... The angel of the Lord in Luke 2:11 told Joseph and Mary..

"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Then as the complete birth of Jesus Christ is written by DR. Luke in the 2 chapter verse 13...

"And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,------>

Then in Luke 2:14.."Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men."

We here the angel of the Lord and a heavenly multitude of Heavenly host called the baby Jesus, Glory to GOD in the Highest.

Arius, like Seve, you have a choice to believe or NOT!.......The Choice of course is that you believe the Bible is the Complete WORD of GOD or NOT!

I have given you what I believe to be the WORD of GOD.

Your Choice.

Blade


Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 25, 2019, 08:23:01 pm

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

Blade



Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....

Read the following texts below... for your additional learning and references:

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER.... contrary to your mistaken view.

God bless

This response is also to brothers @patrick jane, @Bladerunner and the rest reading these posts.

Beautifully said brother @Seve, right from Scriptures too. Let's take this another step, .. please consider what I say here next, because I feel that it is both scientifically, and Biblically logical:

We both agree that God is Spirit, and that no one has, nor can see God, just as you pointed it out from Scripture above, .. right? The same way as you cannot see my mind, or me yours, which is of God, and belongs to God. This spirit/breath of God in this physical body is what distinguishes us from God, .. makes us "individuals" with free will.

 Now consider this:

In the beginning of man, God said to His son Word: "Let us make man in our own image", correct?
Now look at us man the image. First, there is the created body/temple that God made out of the dust, .. "CREATED image" emphasis on 'created', just as Gods son Word is the "created image of God", but the Spirit in him remains pure, so the son Word kept the "image" of His Creator and Father, unlike Adam.

1 Corinthians 3:16  (NKJV)
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
   This includes all men, not just those who have received the Holy Spirit which is a whole other story that has to do with 'salvation'.
Then God (not the son Word), but God breathed/placed a bit of Himself into that body/temple;

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

This "breath of life" is not the air, but is none other than our 'mind/spirit'. It is "of God" and is God, and returns to God who gave it.

What we call reality, is not really real, instead, it is our mind/spirit that is real. This is why what we call; "physical reality" has to be transformed into electronic signals through our physical senses (eyes, feel, hearing etc.) and sent to different parts of the brain, where we/mind read it.

This is also why Satan created this Evolution story, to discredit, or downplay who we really are by claiming that; "the mind is nothing but the result of the brain", making the not-real (the created) as if it was the only thing that existed, to hide both who we really are, along with God our Infinite Creator.

Now please consider these verses carefully:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
.. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
- exactly how I see it and explained it above, which is both Biblically and scientifically true, which is that what we see are not what we think they are.

Let's do a scientific test to prove this; Like I said; when we look at a car, or feel the metal of the car, or listen to the engine, this is all turned into electronic signals by the neurons in our fingertips, our eyes, our ears, and sent to our brain. It is these signals in the brain that we interpret with our mind/spirit, so everything about the car are just signals which we interpret with our mind/spirit.

So look, if the world around us exist only by signals, then the reverse, or in this case the car itself must be made of some signals, or vibrations that our senses pick up, right? So is this what the Lord is telling us that; everything in the world were framed by the WORD of God, because obviously the things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

We don't put pieces of metal in our brain when we touch the metal of the car, nor do we put pieces of fabric under our skin to feel the car seats! Our body "digitizes" everything, through the neurons then sends it to our brain, and we "spirit/mind" read it, then respond by sending electronic information into our brain, which travel into, and excites the muscles where we mind/spirit make the body do our biding.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, where we can start to see/understand Gods creation as something far more wonderful and miraculous then one could imagine! Just the possibility of Infinite and Eternal creating something finite is mind boggling itself!

God bless.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 25, 2019, 09:17:37 pm

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

Blade



Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....

Read the following texts below... for your additional learning and references:

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER.... contrary to your mistaken view.

God bless

This response is also to brothers @patrick jane, @Bladerunner and the rest reading these posts.

Beautifully said brother @Seve, right from Scriptures too. Let's take this another step, .. please consider what I say here next, because I feel that it is both scientifically, and Biblically logical:

We both agree that God is Spirit, and that no one has, nor can see God, just as you pointed it out from Scripture above, .. right? The same way as you cannot see my mind, or me yours, which is of God, and belongs to God. This spirit/breath of God in this physical body is what distinguishes us from God, .. makes us "individuals" with free will.

 Now consider this:

In the beginning of man, God said to His son Word: "Let us make man in our own image", correct?
Now look at us man the image. First, there is the created body/temple that God made out of the dust, .. "CREATED image" emphasis on 'created', just as Gods son Word is the "created image of God", but the Spirit in him remains pure, so the son Word kept the "image" of His Creator and Father, unlike Adam.

1 Corinthians 3:16  (NKJV)
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
   This includes all men, not just those who have received the Holy Spirit which is a whole other story that has to do with 'salvation'.
Then God (not the son Word), but God breathed/placed a bit of Himself into that body/temple;

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

This "breath of life" is not the air, but is none other than our 'mind/spirit'. It is "of God" and is God, and returns to God who gave it.

What we call reality, is not really real, instead, it is our mind/spirit that is real. This is why what we call; "physical reality" has to be transformed into electronic signals through our physical senses (eyes, feel, hearing etc.) and sent to different parts of the brain, where we/mind read it.

This is also why Satan created this Evolution story, to discredit, or downplay who we really are by claiming that; "the mind is nothing but the result of the brain", making the not-real (the created) as if it was the only thing that existed, to hide both who we really are, along with God our Infinite Creator.

Now please consider these verses carefully:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
.. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
- exactly how I see it and explained it above, which is both Biblically and scientifically true, which is that what we see are not what we think they are.

Let's do a scientific test to prove this; Like I said; when we look at a car, or feel the metal of the car, or listen to the engine, this is all turned into electronic signals by the neurons in our fingertips, our eyes, our ears, and sent to our brain. It is these signals in the brain that we interpret with our mind/spirit, so everything about the car are just signals which we interpret with our mind/spirit.

So look, if the world around us exist only by signals, then the reverse, or in this case the car itself must be made of some signals, or vibrations that our senses pick up, right? So is this what the Lord is telling us that; everything in the world were framed by the WORD of God, because obviously the things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

We don't put pieces of metal in our brain when we touch the metal of the car, nor do we put pieces of fabric under our skin to feel the car seats! Our body "digitizes" everything, through the neurons then sends it to our brain, and we "spirit/mind" read it, then respond by sending electronic information into our brain, which travel into, and excites the muscles where we mind/spirit make the body do our biding.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, where we can start to see/understand Gods creation as something far more wonderful and miraculous then one could imagine! Just the possibility of Infinite and Eternal creating something finite is mind boggling itself!

God bless.

You said: " God said to His son Word: "or "just as Gods son Word is the "created image of God""

Are you saying GOD's son in named WORD???????........REALLY!!!!!

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 25, 2019, 11:06:19 pm
Dear Readers,

YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been revealed to anyone at this time.

In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically. 

IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ... simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has been revealed to anyone at this time...

I agree partially with this, but God revealed Himself "bodily" in many other instances too. Please reconsider this next part:

YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him, there was none... neither there shall be after him.

Heaven is Not an invisible realm, it was created along with the earth, and there is a lot of visible info of Heaven. Only God is invisible, who manifests Himself through many different created forms, but He Himself has no "form", and we have to stay away from applying one to Him.

Wen God said: "let there be light" was Not "In the beginning" when God created the Heaven and the earth, .. as in Genesis 1:1. That Genesis 1:1 actually follows John 1:1 -. Please look:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. - KJV (have to find the right version that fits with the rest of Scripture) God originally created the Heaven (singular, before the air/atmosphere heaven where the birds fly, and the starry heaven where he put the stars ) and the earth (singular), not a bunch of planets.

We Stop here - from what we read, it is obvious that a lot has happened between here Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

as we read the rest of mans creation story, and earths renovation, none of what God creates is "formless, or empty, or covered in darkness, but everything is 'good'. Because like it says here in the next verse;

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

 .. God distinguishes light from darkness; that which is is chaotic, formless and separates it from His "order", which He calls "light"! He even calls darkness "night", and order "day". We know this continues on till that Last Day when God does a complete clean up and will FOREVER separate not just chaos, confusion and darkness, but those who caused it, and will cast them, and their works into an incinerator of everlasting fire.

The son of God is Not God, please don't make him to be one, this is what the Romans did after they killed Jesus, made him into one of their gods, and we see this today how they still worship their sun-god who the Pope announced is none other than Lucifer!

But I believe I know where you're getting all this from, and I was there too! Like you say here next, but please Brother, listen to another, more proper interpretation, which I believe will make a lot more sense to you!? If you can show me where I am wrong, please do so, I welcome correction, and would never deny my under-education, nor how God revealed things to me. So it's not me, but what we understand of Gods Word, right?

Quote
Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our world... made flesh...  and became known as Jesus Christ...  and die for us to save us from our sins.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.[/size]

God bless

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

You got God down as it is written which is exactly how I understand it also, and the idea that the son Word is the embodiment of God is also tru, but here is the problem, or how this train of thought can lead us into the very same error that the Trinitarians have fallen into.
There is two trains of thought, one is that Christians think the Trinity explains God, and the other is the actual Creators of the Trinity who actually concocted this Doctrine with an evil plan, which was to "kill God", at least in the hearts and minds of men. Once they made people to accept that Jesus was God in the flesh, then they were able to kill God, and this was the plan, and is what Christians actually believe as I did for most of my life.

God's not dead is because He never died, not because His other self resurrected Him.

Yes, God wants us to know Him personally, and we can see how He took Angels, Prophets, the wind, thunder and even a physical body to wrestle with Jacob to try get personal with us, especially having His son Word so obedient to Him, God was able to relay a true-image of Himself through His son Word when the son became flesh.

We could actually say "we seen God" in Christ, and that is what Jesus said also: "You seen me, you've seen the Father"! But he Did Not say "I am God the father, so what do you mean show us the Father?" You see the difference?

Besides that, the son Word had a heavenly, a more Spiritual body before he came to earth, .. and Heaven is a real place, not just Spirit-place, but more spiritual, or more Heavenly. It has streets of gold, it has many mansions, .. Angelic beings, even Principalities and Powers are created individuals, as is the Holy Spirit. He was sent by Christ to help us, he is a being with free will.

I see the Holy Spirit as a "search engine" in our computers. He is there analyzing the world when the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. It was the Spirit of God who moved upon the face of the waters checking out this catastrophe.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

So anyways, the important thing is that God is who He Is, the Only Infinite and Eternal conscious Spirit/Mind "I Am", who can and has used many different physical forms throughout the ages to reveal Himself through, and in the Last days, like 2,000 years ago He revealed himself "through His son Word", who became flesh, giving up his spiritual, that more Heavenly body and has become completely flesh by being born of a physical human woman.

God didn't become flesh, His son Word did. So we are warned not to try to make a physical image of God, because that would be idolatry, right? But it pleased God to see His son Word represent Him, especially being all mortal and vulnerable to all the physical temptations, in a corrupt and evil world like what our world has become, .. and remain in his Fathers True Image.

God remains the invisible Eternal/Infinite/Spirit/Mind "I Am", and His hope is that we too would reveal God through us, just as His son Word aka Jesus did. So when people talk to us, and watch our actions, they would see God.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on February 26, 2019, 06:30:16 pm
Dear Readers,

YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been revealed to anyone at this time.

In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically. 

IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ... simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has been revealed to anyone at this time...

I agree partially with this, but God revealed Himself "bodily" in many other instances too. Please reconsider this next part:

YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him, there was none... neither there shall be after him.

Heaven is Not an invisible realm, it was created along with the earth, and there is a lot of visible info of Heaven. Only God is invisible, who manifests Himself through many different created forms, but He Himself has no "form", and we have to stay away from applying one to Him.

Wen God said: "let there be light" was Not "In the beginning" when God created the Heaven and the earth, .. as in Genesis 1:1. That Genesis 1:1 actually follows John 1:1 -. Please look:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. - KJV (have to find the right version that fits with the rest of Scripture) God originally created the Heaven (singular, before the air/atmosphere heaven where the birds fly, and the starry heaven where he put the stars ) and the earth (singular), not a bunch of planets.

We Stop here - from what we read, it is obvious that a lot has happened between here Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

as we read the rest of mans creation story, and earths renovation, none of what God creates is "formless, or empty, or covered in darkness, but everything is 'good'. Because like it says here in the next verse;

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

 .. God distinguishes light from darkness; that which is is chaotic, formless and separates it from His "order", which He calls "light"! He even calls darkness "night", and order "day". We know this continues on till that Last Day when God does a complete clean up and will FOREVER separate not just chaos, confusion and darkness, but those who caused it, and will cast them, and their works into an incinerator of everlasting fire.

The son of God is Not God, please don't make him to be one, this is what the Romans did after they killed Jesus, made him into one of their gods, and we see this today how they still worship their sun-god who the Pope announced is none other than Lucifer!

But I believe I know where you're getting all this from, and I was there too! Like you say here next, but please Brother, listen to another, more proper interpretation, which I believe will make a lot more sense to you!? If you can show me where I am wrong, please do so, I welcome correction, and would never deny my under-education, nor how God revealed things to me. So it's not me, but what we understand of Gods Word, right?

Quote
Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our world... made flesh...  and became known as Jesus Christ...  and die for us to save us from our sins.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.[/size]

God bless

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

You got God down as it is written which is exactly how I understand it also, and the idea that the son Word is the embodiment of God is also tru, but here is the problem, or how this train of thought can lead us into the very same error that the Trinitarians have fallen into.
There is two trains of thought, one is that Christians think the Trinity explains God, and the other is the actual Creators of the Trinity who actually concocted this Doctrine with an evil plan, which was to "kill God", at least in the hearts and minds of men. Once they made people to accept that Jesus was God in the flesh, then they were able to kill God, and this was the plan, and is what Christians actually believe as I did for most of my life.

God's not dead is because He never died, not because His other self resurrected Him.

Yes, God wants us to know Him personally, and we can see how He took Angels, Prophets, the wind, thunder and even a physical body to wrestle with Jacob to try get personal with us, especially having His son Word so obedient to Him, God was able to relay a true-image of Himself through His son Word when the son became flesh.

We could actually say "we seen God" in Christ, and that is what Jesus said also: "You seen me, you've seen the Father"! But he Did Not say "I am God the father, so what do you mean show us the Father?" You see the difference?

Besides that, the son Word had a heavenly, a more Spiritual body before he came to earth, .. and Heaven is a real place, not just Spirit-place, but more spiritual, or more Heavenly. It has streets of gold, it has many mansions, .. Angelic beings, even Principalities and Powers are created individuals, as is the Holy Spirit. He was sent by Christ to help us, he is a being with free will.

I see the Holy Spirit as a "search engine" in our computers. He is there analyzing the world when the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. It was the Spirit of God who moved upon the face of the waters checking out this catastrophe.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

So anyways, the important thing is that God is who He Is, the Only Infinite and Eternal conscious Spirit/Mind "I Am", who can and has used many different physical forms throughout the ages to reveal Himself through, and in the Last days, like 2,000 years ago He revealed himself "through His son Word", who became flesh, giving up his spiritual, that more Heavenly body and has become completely flesh by being born of a physical human woman.

God didn't become flesh, His son Word did. So we are warned not to try to make a physical image of God, because that would be idolatry, right? But it pleased God to see His son Word represent Him, especially being all mortal and vulnerable to all the physical temptations, in a corrupt and evil world like what our world has become, .. and remain in his Fathers True Image.

God remains the invisible Eternal/Infinite/Spirit/Mind "I Am", and His hope is that we too would reveal God through us, just as His son Word aka Jesus did. So when people talk to us, and watch our actions, they would see God.

Whoa: Arius....Which Heaven are you talking about being created with the earth. There are three of them?

Blade

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on February 26, 2019, 11:10:06 pm

You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.

Blade



Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....

Read the following texts below... for your additional learning and references:

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER.... contrary to your mistaken view.

God bless

This response is also to brothers @patrick jane, @Bladerunner and the rest reading these posts.

Beautifully said brother @Seve, right from Scriptures too. Let's take this another step, .. please consider what I say here next, because I feel that it is both scientifically, and Biblically logical:

We both agree that God is Spirit, and that no one has, nor can see God, just as you pointed it out from Scripture above, .. right? The same way as you cannot see my mind, or me yours, which is of God, and belongs to God. This spirit/breath of God in this physical body is what distinguishes us from God, .. makes us "individuals" with free will.

 Now consider this:

In the beginning of man, God said to His son Word: "Let us make man in our own image", correct?
Now look at us man the image. First, there is the created body/temple that God made out of the dust, .. "CREATED image" emphasis on 'created', just as Gods son Word is the "created image of God", but the Spirit in him remains pure, so the son Word kept the "image" of His Creator and Father, unlike Adam.

1 Corinthians 3:16  (NKJV)
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
   This includes all men, not just those who have received the Holy Spirit which is a whole other story that has to do with 'salvation'.
Then God (not the son Word), but God breathed/placed a bit of Himself into that body/temple;

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

This "breath of life" is not the air, but is none other than our 'mind/spirit'. It is "of God" and is God, and returns to God who gave it.

What we call reality, is not really real, instead, it is our mind/spirit that is real. This is why what we call; "physical reality" has to be transformed into electronic signals through our physical senses (eyes, feel, hearing etc.) and sent to different parts of the brain, where we/mind read it.

This is also why Satan created this Evolution story, to discredit, or downplay who we really are by claiming that; "the mind is nothing but the result of the brain", making the not-real (the created) as if it was the only thing that existed, to hide both who we really are, along with God our Infinite Creator.

Now please consider these verses carefully:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
.. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
- exactly how I see it and explained it above, which is both Biblically and scientifically true, which is that what we see are not what we think they are.

Let's do a scientific test to prove this; Like I said; when we look at a car, or feel the metal of the car, or listen to the engine, this is all turned into electronic signals by the neurons in our fingertips, our eyes, our ears, and sent to our brain. It is these signals in the brain that we interpret with our mind/spirit, so everything about the car are just signals which we interpret with our mind/spirit.

So look, if the world around us exist only by signals, then the reverse, or in this case the car itself must be made of some signals, or vibrations that our senses pick up, right? So is this what the Lord is telling us that; everything in the world were framed by the WORD of God, because obviously the things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

We don't put pieces of metal in our brain when we touch the metal of the car, nor do we put pieces of fabric under our skin to feel the car seats! Our body "digitizes" everything, through the neurons then sends it to our brain, and we "spirit/mind" read it, then respond by sending electronic information into our brain, which travel into, and excites the muscles where we mind/spirit make the body do our biding.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, where we can start to see/understand Gods creation as something far more wonderful and miraculous then one could imagine! Just the possibility of Infinite and Eternal creating something finite is mind boggling itself!

God bless.

You said: " God said to His son Word: "or "just as Gods son Word is the "created image of God""

Are you saying GOD's son in named WORD???????........REALLY!!!!!

Blade

Of course my friend, who do you think came down to earth; Infinite and Eternal Himself, .. and died!?
But Gods son Word did come down, turned into DNA code and was implanted in the unfertilized egg of a virgin, and was born in the flesh. The Word was not in Heaven for 30 some years but was here on earth in the flesh, going through everything we go through and was tempted in every way we are.

God cannot die, nor can God/Infinite be tempted, nor does He have a beginning or an end. The son Word does.

John 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
.. 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.


The son of God Word became flesh, and was named Jesus, .. he is not God the Father, or the Christian sun-god, .. Really!

Arius
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on March 02, 2019, 12:48:40 am

Whoa: Arius....Which Heaven are you talking about being created with the earth. There are three of them?

Blade

Yes, the main Heaven and Earth was created in Genesis 1:1
Then chaos happened with Lucifer ruining the whole earth, leaving it in chaos.
Then we have Genesis 1:2 where God sees this chaos and cleans it up, creates the first heaven (going from earths or human perspective) where the birds fly, our atmosphere and makes another heaven separated by a firmament where He creates and puts all the stars. The third Heaven (from mans perspective) is actually the first Heaven God created, where His throne is along with His son Word aka Jesus Christ who has about a hundred other titles.

Arius
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on March 02, 2019, 06:22:50 pm

Whoa: Arius....Which Heaven are you talking about being created with the earth. There are three of them?

Blade

So you are a proponent of the GAP Period between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2.

oh well.....

Blade

Yes, the main Heaven and Earth was created in Genesis 1:1
Then chaos happened with Lucifer ruining the whole earth, leaving it in chaos.
Then we have Genesis 1:2 where God sees this chaos and cleans it up, creates the first heaven (going from earths or human perspective) where the birds fly, our atmosphere and makes another heaven separated by a firmament where He creates and puts all the stars. The third Heaven (from mans perspective) is actually the first Heaven God created, where His throne is along with His son Word aka Jesus Christ who has about a hundred other titles.

Arius
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on March 03, 2019, 06:18:08 am

Whoa: Arius....Which Heaven are you talking about being created with the earth. There are three of them?

Blade

Yes, the main Heaven and Earth was created in Genesis 1:1
Then chaos happened with Lucifer ruining the whole earth, leaving it in chaos.
Then we have Genesis 1:2 where God sees this chaos and cleans it up, creates the first heaven (going from earths or human perspective) where the birds fly, our atmosphere and makes another heaven separated by a firmament where He creates and puts all the stars. The third Heaven (from mans perspective) is actually the first Heaven God created, where His throne is along with His son Word aka Jesus Christ who has about a hundred other titles.

Arius



Dear Arius,

That's NOT True,  my friend, since, NO planet existed BEFORE the first Day, Gen 1:1-5.

Adam's Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:10

What existed was earth/ground without form and void (dust), which was used to make Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 and Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day.

Trying to force the words to mean that God made the first Earth in Gen 1:1 is refuted by Gen 1:10 and Gen 2:4 which BOTH show the formation of the first Earth on the THIRD Day.

Once again, I strongly suggest that you consider the below of how you should read Gen. 1:1-5

Genesis 1:1 Is an Introduction, Preface, or Summary - The Story of the Beginning of our Physical World
Genesis 1:2 Tells us the condition of the deep - empty / void - before the making of our physical world.
Genesis 1:3 The bringing forth of the LIGHT before anything is made that was made before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 The division of light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening and the morning the first day of creation process.

As you can see, based on the perspective of the above cited Scripture , our physical heaven and earth that we know of today is still formless and void on the 1st Day of Creation.

The 1st formation of the firmament of Heaven only took place on the 2nd Day - Gen 1:6-8.  The Earth was formed/made on the 3rd Day.....

Therefore, there could NOT have been anything made or formed in the beginning, ref. Gen 1:1-5 - to be DESTROYED as assumed by our Gap Theorist' subscribers.


God bless




Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on March 04, 2019, 07:16:41 pm

Whoa: Arius....Which Heaven are you talking about being created with the earth. There are three of them?

Blade

Yes, the main Heaven and Earth was created in Genesis 1:1
Then chaos happened with Lucifer ruining the whole earth, leaving it in chaos.
Then we have Genesis 1:2 where God sees this chaos and cleans it up, creates the first heaven (going from earths or human perspective) where the birds fly, our atmosphere and makes another heaven separated by a firmament where He creates and puts all the stars. The third Heaven (from mans perspective) is actually the first Heaven God created, where His throne is along with His son Word aka Jesus Christ who has about a hundred other titles.

Arius



Dear Arius,

That's NOT True,  my friend, since, NO planet existed BEFORE the first Day, Gen 1:1-5.

Adam's Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:10

What existed was earth/ground without form and void (dust), which was used to make Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 and Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day.

Trying to force the words to mean that God made the first Earth in Gen 1:1 is refuted by Gen 1:10 and Gen 2:4 which BOTH show the formation of the first Earth on the THIRD Day.

Once again, I strongly suggest that you consider the below of how you should read Gen. 1:1-5

Genesis 1:1 Is an Introduction, Preface, or Summary - The Story of the Beginning of our Physical World
Genesis 1:2 Tells us the condition of the deep - empty / void - before the making of our physical world.
Genesis 1:3 The bringing forth of the LIGHT before anything is made that was made before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 The division of light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening and the morning the first day of creation process.

As you can see, based on the perspective of the above cited Scripture , our physical heaven and earth that we know of today is still formless and void on the 1st Day of Creation.

The 1st formation of the firmament of Heaven only took place on the 2nd Day - Gen 1:6-8.  The Earth was formed/made on the 3rd Day.....

Therefore, there could NOT have been anything made or formed in the beginning, ref. Gen 1:1-5 - to be DESTROYED as assumed by our Gap Theorist' subscribers.


God bless


Seve yoiu said: "That's NOT True,  my friend, since, NO planet existed BEFORE the first Day, Gen 1:1-5. "

Not sure how you know that unless you consider yourself a GOD!...

The main question should be....."do we have a planet today?, there is a pot full of evidence we do not?

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on March 04, 2019, 08:12:49 pm
Planets as globe shaped physical objects don't exist. The GAP theory is dead wrong. God didn't wait 4.5 billion years to create man on earth and the "universe" you imagine does not exist. Earth is at the center of existence and everything moves above the earth . . . even Polaris just slightly.






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Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on March 04, 2019, 11:07:36 pm
Planets as globe shaped physical objects don't exist. The GAP theory is dead wrong. God didn't wait 4.5 billion years to create man on earth and the "universe" you imagine does not exist. Earth is at the center of existence and everything moves above the earth . . . even Polaris just slightly.

Hi my friend.... let me say something about your excellent post. I don't get to do that very often. However, the only thing that comes to mind, is that I am a geocentrist as you are.

Good post and have a great evening

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Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on March 05, 2019, 06:21:22 am
Dear Readers,

Here is a brief chronology of the 7 Days or Ages of Creation of the THIRD Heaven:.

Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground without form (Dust) and darkness/death was upon everything He had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light. Gen 1:1-3

Day 1- YHWH, the Son of God, came forth into the physical world to defeat the darkness which was upon everything God had created apart from his spiritual realm. His Image (Son of God) is brighter than the Noonday Sun.
Day 2- YHWH or Jesus made a firmament or boundary of Adam's world and placed it in the midst or middle of the Water, and God called it "heaven". Gen 1:6-8
Day 3- Jesus caused the BB to happen with the brightness of his glory  ..... and AFTER it cooled off He made Adam's Earth and another two HeavenS, but before He made the plants, He made man of the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7
Day 4- The first Stars of our 2nd Heaven put forth their light into our Cosmos, which began as the Big Bang, on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4
Day 5- The heaven and the earth which are now is completed. Every living creature that moves was created and brought forth from the waters by the TRINITY, on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21
Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26)

Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image. Gen 1:26 ; Gen 5:1-2  Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.

This brings us up to the present TIME, today, 2019 for God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ, TODAY.

The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day.

Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age. The 7th Day or God's rest is FUTURE. Heb 4:9

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Our God is an awesome God.

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on March 05, 2019, 10:50:45 am
Dear Readers,

Here is a brief chronology of the 7 Days or Ages of Creation of the THIRD Heaven:.

Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground without form (Dust) and darkness/death was upon everything He had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light. Gen 1:1-3

Day 1- YHWH, the Son of God, came forth into the physical world to defeat the darkness which was upon everything God had created apart from his spiritual realm. His Image (Son of God) is brighter than the Noonday Sun.
Day 2- YHWH or Jesus made a firmament or boundary of Adam's world and placed it in the midst or middle of the Water, and God called it "heaven". Gen 1:6-8
Day 3- Jesus caused the BB to happen with the brightness of his glory  ..... and AFTER it cooled off He made Adam's Earth and another two HeavenS, but before He made the plants, He made man of the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7
Day 4- The first Stars of our 2nd Heaven put forth their light into our Cosmos, which began as the Big Bang, on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4
Day 5- The heaven and the earth which are now is completed. Every living creature that moves was created and brought forth from the waters by the TRINITY, on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21
Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26)

Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image. Gen 1:26 ; Gen 5:1-2  Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.

This brings us up to the present TIME, today, 2019 for God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ, TODAY.

The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day.

Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age. The 7th Day or God's rest is FUTURE. Heb 4:9

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Our God is an awesome God.
Isaiah 11:6-9 KJV - 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Seve on March 05, 2019, 08:20:22 pm
Dear Readers,

Here is a brief chronology of the 7 Days or Ages of Creation of the THIRD Heaven:.

Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground without form (Dust) and darkness/death was upon everything He had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light. Gen 1:1-3

Day 1- YHWH, the Son of God, came forth into the physical world to defeat the darkness which was upon everything God had created apart from his spiritual realm. His Image (Son of God) is brighter than the Noonday Sun.
Day 2- YHWH or Jesus made a firmament or boundary of Adam's world and placed it in the midst or middle of the Water, and God called it "heaven". Gen 1:6-8
Day 3- Jesus caused the BB to happen with the brightness of his glory  ..... and AFTER it cooled off He made Adam's Earth and another two HeavenS, but before He made the plants, He made man of the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7
Day 4- The first Stars of our 2nd Heaven put forth their light into our Cosmos, which began as the Big Bang, on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4
Day 5- The heaven and the earth which are now is completed. Every living creature that moves was created and brought forth from the waters by the TRINITY, on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21
Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26)

Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image. Gen 1:26 ; Gen 5:1-2  Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.

This brings us up to the present TIME, today, 2019 for God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ, TODAY.

The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day.

Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age. The 7th Day or God's rest is FUTURE. Heb 4:9

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Our God is an awesome God.
Isaiah 11:6-9 KJV - 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.


Dear Patrick,

The posting looks good my friend... WELL DONE.

God bless you and yours
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Arius on March 10, 2019, 11:03:18 pm
Planets as globe shaped physical objects don't exist. The GAP theory is dead wrong. God didn't wait 4.5 billion years to create man on earth and the "universe" you imagine does not exist. Earth is at the center of existence and everything moves above the earth . . . even Polaris just slightly.

Which Gap Theory is wrong Bro? The "millions and billions of years gap"? Because I understand it very differently. I don't see God as a created being, you know, a person, like Angels are beings, the son Word is a being, the Holy Spirit, he is a being, we are beings, and beings are product of creation, the first one of which was Gods son Word, just as it say in John 1:1-14
Father-God is NOT a being, nor can two other beings make up, or be part of Infinite and Eternal Spirit/Mind "I Am", it's an impossibility, no-created-thing can be part of Infinite, nor can anything be besides Infinite because Infinite is without borders.
All things are In God/Infinite.

Remember that there were stars/Angels rejoicing when God set the foundations of the earth. In Genesis 1:1 which says "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth" He did that through and for the son., and I know He did every creation through the son Word, so we know there was at least one created "being" along with God before God created the Heaven.

And since: John 1:3 All things were made through him (the son Word), and without Him nothing was made that was made. then according to scripture, Heaven was made for the son Word, where later God created many other beings like Angels, Cherubim's etc..  and this is where God made His throne too. Here is what we know:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

We know this is separate from verse 2 because the waters and chaos was already there. When did God created the waters that covered the earth, there is no mention of it? We have Heaven and the earth, but it doesn't mention Him creating the earth without form, and void; and darkness upon the face of the deep, only we have Genesis 1:1 God created the Heaven and the earth, so this water must be the result of a previous time, when Lucifer inhabited the earth.

Ezekiel 28: “You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:


When was the King of Tyra in Eden the Garden of God? So this is about Lucifer, because like in Mathew 16:23 Jesus saying to Peter "Get behind me Satan" he wasn't saying Peter was Satan, but that he was acting/speaking like Satan. The same with the King of Tyra, the Prophet was told to remind him he was acting like Lucifer the destroyer, and how he too will be brought down to ruin.

16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
.. 17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
.. 18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;


And we know that the judgements mentioned both in Ezekiel and in Isaiah will come upon Lucifer/Satan when Jesus arrives, and after our Thousand Year reign with him. So since Lucifer ruined the earth and left it in chaos, he must have gone back up to Heaven to cause trouble there, because in Job we see that he was still able to travel between Heaven, and his old home earth as we see it here;

Job 1:6  (KJV)
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.


So Satan and his Angels after leaving the earth in chaos moved back up to Heaven, when God fixed the earth he and his angels who are still considered as sons of God did this:

Genesis 6:Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

so from Eve's deception in the Garden of Eden (lucifer's old home) past Noah's flood, .. past Job, .. past the son Word's birth here on earth and named Jesus the Christ, he was still traveling back and forth between Heaven and earth, because we see him here:

Mathew 4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
.. 8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”


so we see that he's still the god of this earth with authority to give it away when speaking with jesus:  “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.” So then Jesus spoke up to His Disciples: “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." This is not in the past tense, it sounds like Jesus just saw this in a vision. In Revelations 12 we see exactly what happened, and Jesus here from earth seen as the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, like lightning from heaven! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

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References: -
Revelations 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Luke 10:18  (NKJV)
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."


Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
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2 Now the earth was formless and void (empty), darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


let there be order, and there was order, just as Jesus brought light;  order/sense/reason into our time on this earth.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

divided/separated good and bad, because with God in Heaven there is only good, and here God saw chaos, disorder.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

For the first time in creation God seen disorder, and He made a distinction between order and disorder, between good and evil, between light and darkness, between day and night. This is why I believe that God created the sun and the moon, because once the earth was corrupted, He could no longer be the Light of it. But we see that in that New earth and new Heaven, He will once again be its light, so no need for the sun or moon.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

so we see God split the waters in half with a firmament/dome

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

sounds like God used the air to divide the firmament along with the waters above the firmament, from the earth and sea below

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

this is going to be where God puts the stars

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good


So we have the 'waters above, then the firmament holding it, or separating it there called the heaven above, then the air beneath the firmament, and here we have God separating the land from the seas

then it goes on explaining what God made on earth:

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” ..
.. 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.


we see that the "light" here is not the light in verse 3. The light here which are the stars, the sun and the moon are to distinguish our days and nights, this has nothing to do with Gods Days/Nights morning/evenings of fixing up the earth and finishing up the rest of creation on earth. There was no sun or moon when God was doing this, nor does God need them, .. so this light was for us man.

And for Globe earthers;  we see God putting the stars up above the firmament/vault, which means they are in the "waters above", and only German Astronauts can go to planets in the water above the firmament where God put the stars.

Hmm, .. maybe that's why NASA has their Astronauts practicing in giant pools with scuba gear!? Maybe they're hoping to break through the dome/firmament and travel the underwater galaxies to their god-planets? Hey, they could call that "Voyage to the Top of the sea"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXJM0eVrGbY

This is the way I understand this Gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, .. a lot has happened on earth before God decided to make man in His image, and woman to represent His son Word "Let 'us' make man in our own image, in our own likeness"
So just as in the Beginning was the Word, and the son Word was with God, and he was God before God beget/created him, Eve was in the beginning with Adam, and she WAS Adam before God took her out of him (rib).

TIME - Carbon dating - etc.

In the original Heaven and earth creation Genesis 1:1 there was no sun or moon, they were created later for us men made from the dust of the earth, just as there will be no sun or moon on that new earth for the glory of God illuminated it.

No death recorded anywhere in the Bible before the fall of man, and from what we read, Lucifer (or any created being by God who were created to inhabit the earth were not restricted to the earth, but could travel to Heaven, and between Heaven and earth at will.

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. .. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, .. 22 But I saw ]no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.

So carbon dating past the creation of the sun and the moon is worthless, they can claim whatever they want, from 6,000 years which is as far as any accurate time-dating could be possible, ..  to 66.6 trillion years, would depend what story they're trying to prove?
 We live on a refurbished earth, and because of the chaos Lucifer created here, God could no longer be the Light of this now tainted world, which is why God made the sun and the moon .. and the stars.

This is how I understand the Gap theory, which according to the Bible, the whole Bible, is not a theory but fact.

And since they are desperately hiding the chaos, earth without form, what the darkness upon the face of the deep that Satan and his angels caused on earth before our creation here, we are left with many, many questions unanswered. But little by little it's all coming to light, thank the Lord!

You seen this video right? This is for others here to kind of wake up, think of what may have been here before we arrived. Discoveries all being hidden, or defaced, History perverted, we have to look beyond this to see what the Gap really was?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFrLkNrATGA&list=PLbxYtfaixKzAvlLr8L477AC2CwA9QX_sA


Arius.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on March 23, 2019, 02:22:38 am
Planets as globe shaped physical objects don't exist. The GAP theory is dead wrong. God didn't wait 4.5 billion years to create man on earth and the "universe" you imagine does not exist. Earth is at the center of existence and everything moves above the earth . . . even Polaris just slightly.

Which Gap Theory is wrong Bro? The "millions and billions of years gap"? Because I understand it very differently. I don't see God as a created being, you know, a person, like Angels are beings, the son Word is a being, the Holy Spirit, he is a being, we are beings, and beings are product of creation, the first one of which was Gods son Word, just as it say in John 1:1-14
Father-God is NOT a being, nor can two other beings make up, or be part of Infinite and Eternal Spirit/Mind "I Am", it's an impossibility, no-created-thing can be part of Infinite, nor can anything be besides Infinite because Infinite is without borders.
All things are In God/Infinite.

Remember that there were stars/Angels rejoicing when God set the foundations of the earth. In Genesis 1:1 which says "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth" He did that through and for the son., and I know He did every creation through the son Word, so we know there was at least one created "being" along with God before God created the Heaven.

And since: John 1:3 All things were made through him (the son Word), and without Him nothing was made that was made. then according to scripture, Heaven was made for the son Word, where later God created many other beings like Angels, Cherubim's etc..  and this is where God made His throne too. Here is what we know:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

We know this is separate from verse 2 because the waters and chaos was already there. When did God created the waters that covered the earth, there is no mention of it? We have Heaven and the earth, but it doesn't mention Him creating the earth without form, and void; and darkness upon the face of the deep, only we have Genesis 1:1 God created the Heaven and the earth, so this water must be the result of a previous time, when Lucifer inhabited the earth.

Ezekiel 28: “You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:


When was the King of Tyra in Eden the Garden of God? So this is about Lucifer, because like in Mathew 16:23 Jesus saying to Peter "Get behind me Satan" he wasn't saying Peter was Satan, but that he was acting/speaking like Satan. The same with the King of Tyra, the Prophet was told to remind him he was acting like Lucifer the destroyer, and how he too will be brought down to ruin.

16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
.. 17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
.. 18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;


And we know that the judgements mentioned both in Ezekiel and in Isaiah will come upon Lucifer/Satan when Jesus arrives, and after our Thousand Year reign with him. So since Lucifer ruined the earth and left it in chaos, he must have gone back up to Heaven to cause trouble there, because in Job we see that he was still able to travel between Heaven, and his old home earth as we see it here;

Job 1:6  (KJV)
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.


So Satan and his Angels after leaving the earth in chaos moved back up to Heaven, when God fixed the earth he and his angels who are still considered as sons of God did this:

Genesis 6:Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

so from Eve's deception in the Garden of Eden (lucifer's old home) past Noah's flood, .. past Job, .. past the son Word's birth here on earth and named Jesus the Christ, he was still traveling back and forth between Heaven and earth, because we see him here:

Mathew 4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
.. 8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”


so we see that he's still the god of this earth with authority to give it away when speaking with jesus:  “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.” So then Jesus spoke up to His Disciples: “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." This is not in the past tense, it sounds like Jesus just saw this in a vision. In Revelations 12 we see exactly what happened, and Jesus here from earth seen as the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, like lightning from heaven! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

****************************
References: -
Revelations 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Luke 10:18  (NKJV)
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."


Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
***************************

2 Now the earth was formless and void (empty), darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


let there be order, and there was order, just as Jesus brought light;  order/sense/reason into our time on this earth.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

divided/separated good and bad, because with God in Heaven there is only good, and here God saw chaos, disorder.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

For the first time in creation God seen disorder, and He made a distinction between order and disorder, between good and evil, between light and darkness, between day and night. This is why I believe that God created the sun and the moon, because once the earth was corrupted, He could no longer be the Light of it. But we see that in that New earth and new Heaven, He will once again be its light, so no need for the sun or moon.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

so we see God split the waters in half with a firmament/dome

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

sounds like God used the air to divide the firmament along with the waters above the firmament, from the earth and sea below

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

this is going to be where God puts the stars

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good


So we have the 'waters above, then the firmament holding it, or separating it there called the heaven above, then the air beneath the firmament, and here we have God separating the land from the seas

then it goes on explaining what God made on earth:

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” ..
.. 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.


we see that the "light" here is not the light in verse 3. The light here which are the stars, the sun and the moon are to distinguish our days and nights, this has nothing to do with Gods Days/Nights morning/evenings of fixing up the earth and finishing up the rest of creation on earth. There was no sun or moon when God was doing this, nor does God need them, .. so this light was for us man.

And for Globe earthers;  we see God putting the stars up above the firmament/vault, which means they are in the "waters above", and only German Astronauts can go to planets in the water above the firmament where God put the stars.

Hmm, .. maybe that's why NASA has their Astronauts practicing in giant pools with scuba gear!? Maybe they're hoping to break through the dome/firmament and travel the underwater galaxies to their god-planets? Hey, they could call that "Voyage to the Top of the sea"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXJM0eVrGbY

This is the way I understand this Gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, .. a lot has happened on earth before God decided to make man in His image, and woman to represent His son Word "Let 'us' make man in our own image, in our own likeness"
So just as in the Beginning was the Word, and the son Word was with God, and he was God before God beget/created him, Eve was in the beginning with Adam, and she WAS Adam before God took her out of him (rib).

TIME - Carbon dating - etc.

In the original Heaven and earth creation Genesis 1:1 there was no sun or moon, they were created later for us men made from the dust of the earth, just as there will be no sun or moon on that new earth for the glory of God illuminated it.

No death recorded anywhere in the Bible before the fall of man, and from what we read, Lucifer (or any created being by God who were created to inhabit the earth were not restricted to the earth, but could travel to Heaven, and between Heaven and earth at will.

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. .. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, .. 22 But I saw ]no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.

So carbon dating past the creation of the sun and the moon is worthless, they can claim whatever they want, from 6,000 years which is as far as any accurate time-dating could be possible, ..  to 66.6 trillion years, would depend what story they're trying to prove?
 We live on a refurbished earth, and because of the chaos Lucifer created here, God could no longer be the Light of this now tainted world, which is why God made the sun and the moon .. and the stars.

This is how I understand the Gap theory, which according to the Bible, the whole Bible, is not a theory but fact.

And since they are desperately hiding the chaos, earth without form, what the darkness upon the face of the deep that Satan and his angels caused on earth before our creation here, we are left with many, many questions unanswered. But little by little it's all coming to light, thank the Lord!

You seen this video right? This is for others here to kind of wake up, think of what may have been here before we arrived. Discoveries all being hidden, or defaced, History perverted, we have to look beyond this to see what the Gap really was?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFrLkNrATGA&list=PLbxYtfaixKzAvlLr8L477AC2CwA9QX_sA


Arius.

well said PJ

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Ted T. on March 29, 2019, 05:40:55 pm
Gen 1:1-2
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form (Dust), and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Well ok, but if this was the  beginning, then there must have been another beginning or another part of this beginning not mentioned here because when speaking about this creation YHWH had written:   Job 38:7 ...while the morning stars sang together and ALL the Sons of GOD shouted for joy? 

Just when were these morning stars and Sons of GOD created? Even if this is a poetic way to refer to only one group, the Sons of GOD, the question needs to be answered. I am a son of GOD so if they were ALL there, so was I!!! Shouting my heart out!!!

Prove I'm wrong.

 

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Ted T. on March 29, 2019, 06:07:17 pm
Dear Readers,
...

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless



Or not...   IF the false doctrine of our being created on earth was made up to support the blasphemy that we are created inheriting Adam's sin, but in fact we were ALL created at least 6000 years ago in the spirit world (what is or became Sheol) and became sinners  by our own free will decisions about where to put  our faith,


then the blasphemy of our being created as sinners (GOD CANNOT CREATE EVIL!) on earth is done, over, dead in the water...a blessing to all who believe in GOD's righteousness in their hearts not just on their lips.



Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on March 29, 2019, 07:52:06 pm
Dear Readers,
...

Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

God bless



Or not...   IF the false doctrine of our being created on earth was made up to support the blasphemy that we are created inheriting Adam's sin, but in fact we were ALL created at least 6000 years ago in the spirit world (what is or became Sheol) and became sinners  by our own free will decisions about where to put  our faith,


then the blasphemy of our being created as sinners (GOD CANNOT CREATE EVIL!) on earth is done, over, dead in the water...a blessing to all who believe in GOD's righteousness in their hearts not just on their lips.

Hi Ted...... You said:"but in fact we were ALL created at least 6000 years ago in the spirit world (what is or became Sheol) and became sinners  by our own free will decisions about where to put  our faith,"

In otherwords, God created everyone from Adam till today as a spirit and does what with them? You said, they await in Sheol?  and Became sinner by our own free will?

Just wanted to make sure that was what you were talking about.

Blade

Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Ted T. on March 30, 2019, 01:50:48 pm
 
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In otherwords, God created everyone from Adam till today as a spirit and does what with them? You said, they await in Sheol?  and Became sinner by our own free will?


Those elect who never sinned stayed in the heavenly realms and some serve GOD as HIS messengers…angel meaning sent out one or messenger, NOT a race or species of being. My suggestion is that those elect who chose by their free will to rebel against the call for the judgment upon their Satanic friends were sent to one of the rooms of Sheol.



The Satanic non-elect were flung to earth, Rev 12:9  The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. .
These people of the evil one are sown into the world by the devil, Matt 13:38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil,…where did they come from?
Then they die and return to where they came from, Sheol: Ps 9:17  The wicked shall return to Sheol, all the nations that forget God. It is logical that this is where the sinful good seed, the sinful people of the kingdom also came from as Job suggests when he states that when he dies he is returning to where he was before his birth...(he is not suggesting he return to the womb nor annihilation).

The sinful elect were flung to the earth by Satan, Rev 12:4 His tail swept a third of the stars from the sky, tossing them to the earth. It is not logical thing for him to send away any of his cohorts just before his big battle with Michael and since the world flung has a violent, hateful, implication, it seems likely that these stars were the sinful elect, sent down into Sheol by Satan’s luring them into sin.

All sinners were sent to Sheol in the center of the earth to sequester them from polite heavenly society. From there everyone is sown into the world by their fathers, that is, either by the Son of Man (GOD) or the devil, for the redemption of HIS sinful elect, the good but sinful seed.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on March 30, 2019, 01:57:54 pm
 
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I know it takes an extra minute or two but we don't have the scripture reading app here so if you could just copy/paste the verses from the Bible version of your choice it would help me personally and everybody else. I like where this is going Ted.
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Done!
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Ted T. on March 30, 2019, 02:11:56 pm
That's some pretty deep thinking even though you were just summarizing. I can understand what you're describing and I'd also like to ask a favor of you. I know it takes an extra minute or two but we don't have the scripture reading app here so if you could just copy/paste the verses from the Bible version of your choice it would help me personally and everybody else. I like where this is going Ted.
I'd be glad to do that with every verse, no problem at all.


But I cannot figure out how to use the go to my last post, I can't find the link. IF I reply to post 4 and the topic is 9 pages long and then I leave, when I come back it is 16 pages long and I am lost...I don't remember where I was reading  but I could get to it from my last post if I could find it. <sigh>
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Ted T. on March 30, 2019, 02:14:48 pm
I was going to go back and include full quotes but I can't find a modify or edit link in that or my latest post at all...
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on March 30, 2019, 03:07:15 pm
I was going to go back and include full quotes but I can't find a modify or edit link in that or my latest post at all...
I will check your permissions. Yeah, I'm sorry brother but this is an older format and we don't get notifications if somebody quotes us or posts in a thread we started. All new posts are shown at the right side of the screen and on the far left in the statistics section, at the top you can click All Unread Posts. It just takes a little more effort here to navigate and post correctly but you'll get it.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on March 31, 2019, 01:01:23 am
 
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In otherwords, God created everyone from Adam till today as a spirit and does what with them? You said, they await in Sheol?  and Became sinner by our own free will?


Those elect who never sinned stayed in the heavenly realms and some serve GOD as HIS messengers…angel meaning sent out one or messenger, NOT a race or species of being. My suggestion is that those elect who chose by their free will to rebel against the call for the judgment upon their Satanic friends were sent to one of the rooms of Sheol.



The Satanic non-elect were flung to earth, Rev 12:9.
These people of the evil one are sown into the world by the devil, Matt 13:38-39…where did they come from?
Then they die and return to where they came from, Sheol: Ps 9:17. It is logical that this is where the sinful good seed, the sinful people of the kingdom also came from as Job suggests when he states that when he dies he is returning to where he was before his birth...(he is not suggesting he return to the womb nor annihilation).


The sinful elect were flung to the earth by Satan, Rev 12:4. His tail swept a third of the stars from the sky, tossing them to the earth. It is not logical thing for him to send away any of his cohorts just before his big battle with Michael and since the world flung has a violent, hateful, implication, it seems likely that these stars were the sinful elect, sent down into Sheol by Satan’s luring them into sin.


All sinners were sent to Sheol in the center of the earth to sequester them from polite heavenly society. From there everyone is sown into the world by their fathers, that is, either by the Son of Man (GOD) or the devil, for the redemption of HIS sinful elect, the good but sinful seed.
That's some pretty deep thinking even though you were just summarizing. I can understand what you're describing and I'd also like to ask a favor of you. I know it takes an extra minute or two but we don't have the scripture reading app here so if you could just copy/paste the verses from the Bible version of your choice it would help me personally and everybody else. I like where this is going Ted.

Am not sure TED, why you are calling the angels "elect". Care to elaborate?

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Ted T. on April 01, 2019, 02:22:07 pm
Am not sure TED, why you are calling the angels "elect". Care to elaborate?



If all the eternally evil angels were flung to the earth then who is left? 1 Timothy 5:21 I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the ELECT angels...

 AND

the holy angels: Luke 9:26 If anyone is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory and in the glory of the Father and of the HOLY angels.

The parable of the good seed tells us there are sinful elect on earth and in Luke and 1 Timothy we find there are holy elect angels in heaven...

I wonder when the holy and elect were separated from the sinful elect so the sinful elect could be sent to earth as Matt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. Where sown cannot mean create as the devil does it too so it must mean to move.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: Bladerunner on April 01, 2019, 09:57:50 pm
Am not sure TED, why you are calling the angels "elect". Care to elaborate?



If all the eternally evil angels were flung to the earth then who is left? 1 Timothy 5:21 I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the ELECT angels...

 AND

the holy angels: Luke 9:26 If anyone is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory and in the glory of the Father and of the HOLY angels.

The parable of the good seed tells us there are sinful elect on earth and in Luke and 1 Timothy we find there are holy elect angels in heaven...

I wonder when the holy and elect were separated from the sinful elect so the sinful elect could be sent to earth as Matt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. Where sown cannot mean create as the devil does it too so it must mean to move.


Thank you

Blade
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on June 12, 2019, 04:41:34 am
Great topic.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on June 29, 2019, 11:15:28 am
Great topic.
Good thread.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on July 11, 2019, 05:52:53 am
Great topic.
Good thread.
Awesome.
Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on August 04, 2020, 01:34:53 pm
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Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
Post by: patrick jane on December 15, 2021, 10:55:35 am
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Title: Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
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