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Title: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on January 25, 2019, 09:48:24 pm
"The Battle for your Mind" (full sermon by Adrian Rodgers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=362&v=7oURbbvVSuc

A beautiful Sermon by late Dr. Adrian Rogers, whom my wife and I and my two kids listened to every Sunday morning for years. Oh such wonderful words, the voice, the calm demeanor of that good Pastor, it was truly refreshing to listen to him. Sure got the message out clear too, .. we loved that man for his sermons, and as the Bible says: "he shall receive his reward."

But if we look at this video closer, one thing specially sticks out, it is the New Age, or this; NASA-science-age. Planets, the Globe earth, beautiful CGI tour of the Star Trek space, with quasars exploding creating black holes and eventually evolving over billions of years galaxies filled with planets which are said to be twirling and expanding along the Fabric of Spacetime, all the while he speaks of none other then Jesus the Lord.

Well ask yourself, what does Gods son Word (akas Jesus our Lord) has to do with the Globe earth, and Big-Banged space, and the video also included scenes of biological evolution??

Who is our Lord Jesus Christ?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

What was made?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth

Through whom?

through as it says in John 1:3, .. through the Word, the son of God, who later not just visited the earth, but became flesh.

It was the fourth day that God created the sun, moon and all the stars, and put them in a place called heaven. It does not say God suddenly expanded the sun, moon and the stars, but like he did the grass of the field the daay before, He meticulously created it.

While Christianity is lulled to sleep with each wonderful sermon from the Bible, another conspiracy is taking place in their subconscious, just like it shows in this video, the messages are subliminal, and are bombarding us from everywhere. So just as the subject of this video: Proverbs 23:7 "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:" we too have been conditioned to think a certain way. One major fall is that we were made to believe that Jesus was God.
It is not hard to take us to the next step of this Giant Conspiracy, for if Jesus was God, then the Roman Pontius Pilot under the Emperor Tiberius was able to kill God.
The implication of such a beliefe can be eternal to ones soul, eternal damnation that is.

Look, if jesus was God, and both Jesus and God died, then 2/3 of the trinity died that day, for the Bible is clear that God is our Father, not Jesus.
If Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then they are all Fathers also.
One Christian Minister with his doctorate in Theology tried to explain to me about this paradox, he said: "Yes, God is all three, and all three are then Fathers. Think about it this way:" he continued: "I am a father, and my son is a father, and my grandson will one day be a father. So you see, the Trinity-God is not so hard to understand!"

Well of course I begged to differ, nor would I "agree to disagree", because I told him "that would be being lookwarm, and we know how God feels about us being lookwarnm right?"

But of all the crafty apologetics regarding the Trinity, it was our dear Adrian Rogers responce that starled me and my wife the most. As my family and I were lisstening one Sunday morning to Adrian Rogers "Love Worth Finding" weekly telecast, the announcer asked if before he concluded his service he could briefly explain the Trinity Doctrine; to the younger audience who were listening to his program world wide? This is what he said: (not verbatim, it has been years, and I have failed to find this perticular sermon of his ever since)
"To our younger audience, I would sum up the Trinity is this way: Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king's horses, And all the king's men, Couldn't put Humpty together again ... this speaks to me!"
With this, the Church audience clapped.

Wake up Brothers and Sisters in Christ, for as a man thinketh, ....


2 Corinthians 4:Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

This is why Jesus said: "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" because no one has ever seen Infinite and Eternal "I Am", so God sent His son to reveal Himself to us in "knowledge", to see Him in our minds, feel Him in our hearts. By "faith through evidence with substance", not blindly accepting a man made doctrine that doesn't make any sense.

God bless us all!
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on January 25, 2019, 11:21:29 pm
"The Battle for your Mind" (full sermon by Adrian Rodgers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=362&v=7oURbbvVSuc

A beautiful Sermon by late Dr. Adrian Rogers, whom my wife and I and my two kids listened to every Sunday morning for years. Oh such wonderful words, the voice, the calm demeanor of that good Pastor, it was truly refreshing to listen to him. Sure got the message out clear too, .. we loved that man for his sermons, and as the Bible says: "he shall receive his reward."

But if we look at this video closer, one thing specially sticks out, it is the New Age, or this; NASA-science-age. Planets, the Globe earth, beautiful CGI tour of the Star Trek space, with quasars exploding creating black holes and eventually evolving over billions of years galaxies filled with planets which are said to be twirling and expanding along the Fabric of Spacetime, all the while he speaks of none other then Jesus the Lord.

Well ask yourself, what does Gods son Word (akas Jesus our Lord) has to do with the Globe earth, and Big-Banged space, and the video also included scenes of biological evolution??

Who is our Lord Jesus Christ?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

What was made?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth

Through whom?

through as it says in John 1:3, .. through the Word, the son of God, who later not just visited the earth, but became flesh.

It was the fourth day that God created the sun, moon and all the stars, and put them in a place called heaven. It does not say God suddenly expanded the sun, moon and the stars, but like he did the grass of the field the daay before, He meticulously created it.

While Christianity is lulled to sleep with each wonderful sermon from the Bible, another conspiracy is taking place in their subconscious, just like it shows in this video, the messages are subliminal, and are bombarding us from everywhere. So just as the subject of this video: Proverbs 23:7 "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:" we too have been conditioned to think a certain way. One major fall is that we were made to believe that Jesus was God.
It is not hard to take us to the next step of this Giant Conspiracy, for if Jesus was God, then the Roman Pontius Pilot under the Emperor Tiberius was able to kill God.

Jesus at this time was just a man as He had abdicated His powers. up until the resurrection, Jesus had stated: at 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Therefore the Pharisees sentenced Jesus Christ, their own messiah to Death at the hands of the Romans. Pontius Pilot washed His hands of the matter as He tried to save Jesus from harm. In the end, it was predestined that His soldiers carryout the wishes of the Pharisees over the Jewish synagogue. lAt this time, Jesus was still a man for He thought the Kingdom of Heaven (where He would reign and sit on Kings david's throne) would come. He said:mat 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"   To the time of His death, Jesus Christ was just a man.

The implication of such a beliefe can be eternal to ones soul, eternal damnation that is.

Look, if jesus was God, and both Jesus and God died, then 2/3 of the trinity died that day, for the Bible is clear that God is our Father, not Jesus.
If Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then they are all Fathers also.
One Christian Minister with his doctorate in Theology tried to explain to me about this paradox, he said: "Yes, God is all three, and all three are then Fathers. Think about it this way:" he continued: "I am a father, and my son is a father, and my grandson will one day be a father. So you see, the Trinity-God is not so hard to understand!"

Well of course I begged to differ, nor would I "agree to disagree", because I told him "that would be being lookwarm, and we know how God feels about us being lookwarnm right?"

But of all the crafty apologetics regarding the Trinity, it was our dear Adrian Rogers responce that starled me and my wife the most. As my family and I were lisstening one Sunday morning to Adrian Rogers "Love Worth Finding" weekly telecast, the announcer asked if before he concluded his service he could briefly explain the Trinity Doctrine; to the younger audience who were listening to his program world wide? This is what he said: (not verbatim, it has been years, and I have failed to find this perticular sermon of his ever since)
"To our younger audience, I would sum up the Trinity is this way: Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king's horses, And all the king's men, Couldn't put Humpty together again ... this speaks to me!"
With this, the Church audience clapped.

Wake up Brothers and Sisters in Christ, for as a man thinketh, ....


2 Corinthians 4:Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

This is why Jesus said: "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" because no one has ever seen Infinite and Eternal "I Am", so God sent His son to reveal Himself to us in "knowledge", to see Him in our minds, feel Him in our hearts. By "faith through evidence with substance", not blindly accepting a man made doctrine that doesn't make any sense.

God bless us all!

GOD made man in his own image. Next time you are out in the sunlight, look to the ground where your shaddow is. That is the image of GOD. Small or large, wide or thin, it is still the image of GOD.

Blessings.

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on January 27, 2019, 09:19:21 pm
"The Battle for your Mind" (full sermon by Adrian Rodgers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=362&v=7oURbbvVSuc

Jesus at this time was just a man as He had abdicated His powers. up until the resurrection, Jesus had stated: at 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Thank you my friend Blade, now please I ask you sincerely if you could show me where we could find that God ever abdicated His power? Or that God could do such a thing?

We know Jacob wrestled with a physical man who was actually God in the flesh, but He remained God, only enjoyed wrestling with Jacob, just as I used to do with my son when he was just a young child. And yes, my four year old won every time just so I could see his little face saying: "Ah win, yeah ah win!"

But the son Word is clear that he left his high abode as the co-creator of Heaven and earth (all things were created through him) and became flesh and dwelt amongst us. John 1:1-

Quote
Therefore the Pharisees sentenced Jesus Christ, their own messiah to Death at the hands of the Romans. Pontius Pilot washed His hands of the matter as He tried to save Jesus from harm. In the end, it was predestined that His soldiers carryout the wishes of the Pharisees over the Jewish synagogue. lAt this time, Jesus was still a man for He thought the Kingdom of Heaven (where He would reign and sit on Kings david's throne) would come. He said:mat 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"   To the time of His death, Jesus Christ was just a man.[/shadow]

There was never a time when Jesus was confused about anything, and to think that he was God and confused is even a greater error.
The Kingdom of God did come, only in the spiritual sense:

John 11:23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”


We are baptized not unto death, but unto 'life'. In the baptism we give up our flesh, we lay this old body in that baptismal grave, and take on a New body, where this body we consider as dead with Christ, and alive to the spirit, no longer following the works of the flesh, but we live and walk in that Newness of "life" in Gods Kingdom.
Our old bodies are still with us, and are presented as a living sacrifice to God daily by us giving up the desires of this flesh.

This is what the Jews did not understand, nor does Christianity. The Jews wanted the physical New Kingdom, to have a Messiah rule over their enemies, over the whole earth with them.

Quote
The implication of such a belief can be eternal to ones soul, eternal damnation that is.

Look, if Jesus was God, and both Jesus and God died, then 2/3 of the trinity died that day, for the Bible is clear that God is our Father, not Jesus.
If Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then they are all Fathers also.
One Christian Minister with his doctorate in Theology tried to explain to me about this paradox, he said: "Yes, God is all three, and all three are then Fathers. Think about it this way:" he continued: "I am a father, and my son is a father, and my grandson will one day be a father. So you see, the Trinity-God is not so hard to understand!"

Well of course I begged to differ, nor would I "agree to disagree", because I told him "that would be being lookwarm, and we know how God feels about us being look warm right?"

But of all the crafty apologetics regarding the Trinity, it was our dear Adrian Rogers response that startled me and my wife the most. As my family and I were listening one Sunday morning to Adrian Rogers "Love Worth Finding" weekly telecast, the announcer asked if before he concluded his service he could briefly explain the Trinity Doctrine; to the younger audience who were listening to his program world wide? This is what he said: (not verbatim, it has been years, and I have failed to find this particular sermon of his ever since)
"To our younger audience, I would sum up the Trinity is this way: Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king's horses, And all the king's men, Couldn't put Humpty together again ... this speaks to me!"
With this, the Church audience clapped.

Wake up Brothers and Sisters in Christ, for as a man thinketh, ....

2 Corinthians 4:Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

This is why Jesus said: "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" because no one has ever seen Infinite and Eternal "I Am", so God sent His son to reveal Himself to us in "knowledge", to see Him in our minds, feel Him in our hearts. By "faith through evidence with substance", not blindly accepting a man made doctrine that doesn't make any sense.

God bless us all!

GOD made man in his own image. Next time you are out in the sunlight, look to the ground where your shaddow is. That is the image of GOD. Small or large, wide or thin, it is still the image of GOD.

Blessings.

Blade


Umm, .. OK my friend, .. but how does that prove God being Jesus, and dying?
How does my shadow explain being made in Gods image?
How do you explain God dying, because that is what the Christians believe, and what this OP is about that "God died".

Thank you for your kind response, and God bless you.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on January 27, 2019, 09:47:16 pm
"The Battle for your Mind" (full sermon by Adrian Rodgers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=362&v=7oURbbvVSuc

Jesus at this time was just a man as He had abdicated His powers. up until the resurrection, Jesus had stated: at 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Thank you my friend Blade, now please I ask you sincerely if you could show me where we could find that God ever abdicated His power? Or that God could do such a thing?

We know Jacob wrestled with a physical man who was actually God in the flesh, but He remained God, only enjoyed wrestling with Jacob, just as I used to do with my son when he was just a young child. And yes, my four year old won every time just so I could see his little face saying: "Ah win, yeah ah win!"

But the son Word is clear that he left his high abode as the co-creator of Heaven and earth (all things were created through him) and became flesh and dwelt amongst us. John 1:1-

Quote
Therefore the Pharisees sentenced Jesus Christ, their own messiah to Death at the hands of the Romans. Pontius Pilot washed His hands of the matter as He tried to save Jesus from harm. In the end, it was predestined that His soldiers carryout the wishes of the Pharisees over the Jewish synagogue. lAt this time, Jesus was still a man for He thought the Kingdom of Heaven (where He would reign and sit on Kings david's throne) would come. He said:mat 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"   To the time of His death, Jesus Christ was just a man.[/shadow]

There was never a time when Jesus was confused about anything, and to think that he was God and confused is even a greater error.
The Kingdom of God did come, only in the spiritual sense:

John 11:23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”


We are baptized not unto death, but unto 'life'. In the baptism we give up our flesh, we lay this old body in that baptismal grave, and take on a New body, where this body we consider as dead with Christ, and alive to the spirit, no longer following the works of the flesh, but we live and walk in that Newness of "life" in Gods Kingdom.
Our old bodies are still with us, and are presented as a living sacrifice to God daily by us giving up the desires of this flesh.

This is what the Jews did not understand, nor does Christianity. The Jews wanted the physical New Kingdom, to have a Messiah rule over their enemies, over the whole earth with them.

Quote
The implication of such a belief can be eternal to ones soul, eternal damnation that is.

Look, if Jesus was God, and both Jesus and God died, then 2/3 of the trinity died that day, for the Bible is clear that God is our Father, not Jesus.
If Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then they are all Fathers also.
One Christian Minister with his doctorate in Theology tried to explain to me about this paradox, he said: "Yes, God is all three, and all three are then Fathers. Think about it this way:" he continued: "I am a father, and my son is a father, and my grandson will one day be a father. So you see, the Trinity-God is not so hard to understand!"

Well of course I begged to differ, nor would I "agree to disagree", because I told him "that would be being lookwarm, and we know how God feels about us being look warm right?"

But of all the crafty apologetics regarding the Trinity, it was our dear Adrian Rogers response that startled me and my wife the most. As my family and I were listening one Sunday morning to Adrian Rogers "Love Worth Finding" weekly telecast, the announcer asked if before he concluded his service he could briefly explain the Trinity Doctrine; to the younger audience who were listening to his program world wide? This is what he said: (not verbatim, it has been years, and I have failed to find this particular sermon of his ever since)
"To our younger audience, I would sum up the Trinity is this way: Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king's horses, And all the king's men, Couldn't put Humpty together again ... this speaks to me!"
With this, the Church audience clapped.

Wake up Brothers and Sisters in Christ, for as a man thinketh, ....

2 Corinthians 4:Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

This is why Jesus said: "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" because no one has ever seen Infinite and Eternal "I Am", so God sent His son to reveal Himself to us in "knowledge", to see Him in our minds, feel Him in our hearts. By "faith through evidence with substance", not blindly accepting a man made doctrine that doesn't make any sense.

God bless us all!

GOD made man in his own image. Next time you are out in the sunlight, look to the ground where your shaddow is. That is the image of GOD. Small or large, wide or thin, it is still the image of GOD.

Blessings.

Blade


Umm, .. OK my friend, .. but how does that prove God being Jesus, and dying?
How does my shadow explain being made in Gods image?
How do you explain God dying, because that is what the Christians believe, and what this OP is about that "God died".

Thank you for your kind response, and God bless you.

First the Shaddow is an image of each of us. Being an image, has no facial, color or other features that would identify a individual. We all have God's image. OUR Shadow is a image of GOD himself.

Had you really read the Bible you would know that there are many places where Jesus was not aware of what was going to happen. It shows He actually believed the Kingdom of Heaven (Now a future Millennium) that He was preaching to the Jews would come within their lifetime. At the Cross at the end, He ask His father Why had His Father forsaken  HIM......Had Jesus know He was god, He could have simply walked off or worse.   He did not.. Have you seen the Passion. The beating the Roman soldiers gave him in that film, was a small amount according to scriptures.

But in the end, you interpretation is what you and only you have to answer GOD's judgement with... Be very careful.

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: Firestarter on January 28, 2019, 10:47:38 am
While Christianity is lulled to sleep with each wonderful sermon from the Bible, another conspiracy is taking place in their subconscious, just like it shows in this video, the messages are subliminal, and are bombarding us from everywhere. So just as the subject of this video: Proverbs 23:7 "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:" we too have been conditioned to think a certain way. One major fall is that we were made to believe that Jesus was God.
It is not hard to take us to the next step of this Giant Conspiracy, for if Jesus was God, then the Roman Pontius Pilot under the Emperor Tiberius was able to kill God.
The implication of such a beliefe can be eternal to ones soul, eternal damnation that is.
I have the impression that we have similar views on religion (I hope that doesn't insult you!)...

The following newsletter by Ben Williams reminds me of some of the things you posted:
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Religions affect languages by inventing new words and redefining old words already in use. They need religious words and phrases to facilitate religious rhetoric. Special, often bizarre, words and phrases are employed to give voice to religious tenets.

In the realm of religion, words and phrases are often hijacked from the common vernacular and given new religious meanings that only work in religious venues.

For example, the term “saved” means to be rescued from a bad, or potentially bad, situation. But the same word in religious realms can mean “qualified to go to heaven.”

Likewise, the word “worships" means to admire and honor someone. But in religious circles the term ‘worship” can mean “attending a church meeting.”

Religions require their own sets of words and phrases to facilitate their religious tenets. So they invent words and redefine words. Words of religion become code-like terms, supportive of their particular theologies. In time those religious code words gain general acceptance and are used in the common language. This affects entire cultures.
(...)

They are the words and phrases reinvented and/or redefined by priests and politicians. The public uses these words without knowing what the words mean. Thus a major part of our common language consists of words that have been changed from their original meanings and forgotten.

Americans, for the most part, have no idea what the words mean when they use them. In most cases people resort to popular terms and believe whatever the priests and politicians tell them the words mean.
https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/download/file.php?id=334

For me the most interesting of Williams' remarks is that “Christ” was really the name for “Mithras” (that was the first time I heard that!).

Christians were persecuted by the Romans like Jesus had predicted, while Christianity became ever more popular among the poor people. Then the Romans found a better way to pacify Christians: in the 4 century AD, Roman Emperor Constantine merged the teaching of Jesus with Judaism and Mithraism. So instead Christians fighting against the rich slavedrivers, they learned to respect the elite.
The Romans even made Jesus say that he supported taxes to the Roman mass murderers (give the emperor what is his) and made Pontius Pilate supposedly try to save Jesus from death (which Jesus then supposedly refused)...
Therefore the Pharisees sentenced Jesus Christ, their own messiah to Death at the hands of the Romans. Pontius Pilot washed His hands of the matter as He tried to save Jesus from harm. In the end, it was predestined that His soldiers carryout the wishes of the Pharisees over the Jewish synagogue.

For more information on Mithraism: https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/msg3219/#msg3219
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on January 28, 2019, 03:02:51 pm
"The Battle for your Mind" (full sermon by Adrian Rodgers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=362&v=7oURbbvVSuc

Jesus at this time was just a man as He had abdicated His powers. up until the resurrection, Jesus had stated: at 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Thank you my friend Blade, now please I ask you sincerely if you could show me where we could find that God ever abdicated His power? Or that God could do such a thing?

We know Jacob wrestled with a physical man who was actually God in the flesh, but He remained God, only enjoyed wrestling with Jacob, just as I used to do with my son when he was just a young child. And yes, my four year old won every time just so I could see his little face saying: "Ah win, yeah ah win!"

But the son Word is clear that he left his high abode as the co-creator of Heaven and earth (all things were created through him) and became flesh and dwelt amongst us. John 1:1-

Quote
Therefore the Pharisees sentenced Jesus Christ, their own messiah to Death at the hands of the Romans. Pontius Pilot washed His hands of the matter as He tried to save Jesus from harm. In the end, it was predestined that His soldiers carryout the wishes of the Pharisees over the Jewish synagogue. lAt this time, Jesus was still a man for He thought the Kingdom of Heaven (where He would reign and sit on Kings david's throne) would come. He said:mat 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"   To the time of His death, Jesus Christ was just a man.[/shadow]

There was never a time when Jesus was confused about anything, and to think that he was God and confused is even a greater error.
The Kingdom of God did come, only in the spiritual sense:

John 11:23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”


We are baptized not unto death, but unto 'life'. In the baptism we give up our flesh, we lay this old body in that baptismal grave, and take on a New body, where this body we consider as dead with Christ, and alive to the spirit, no longer following the works of the flesh, but we live and walk in that Newness of "life" in Gods Kingdom.
Our old bodies are still with us, and are presented as a living sacrifice to God daily by us giving up the desires of this flesh.

This is what the Jews did not understand, nor does Christianity. The Jews wanted the physical New Kingdom, to have a Messiah rule over their enemies, over the whole earth with them.

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The implication of such a belief can be eternal to ones soul, eternal damnation that is.

Look, if Jesus was God, and both Jesus and God died, then 2/3 of the trinity died that day, for the Bible is clear that God is our Father, not Jesus.
If Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then they are all Fathers also.
One Christian Minister with his doctorate in Theology tried to explain to me about this paradox, he said: "Yes, God is all three, and all three are then Fathers. Think about it this way:" he continued: "I am a father, and my son is a father, and my grandson will one day be a father. So you see, the Trinity-God is not so hard to understand!"

Well of course I begged to differ, nor would I "agree to disagree", because I told him "that would be being lookwarm, and we know how God feels about us being look warm right?"

But of all the crafty apologetics regarding the Trinity, it was our dear Adrian Rogers response that startled me and my wife the most. As my family and I were listening one Sunday morning to Adrian Rogers "Love Worth Finding" weekly telecast, the announcer asked if before he concluded his service he could briefly explain the Trinity Doctrine; to the younger audience who were listening to his program world wide? This is what he said: (not verbatim, it has been years, and I have failed to find this particular sermon of his ever since)
"To our younger audience, I would sum up the Trinity is this way: Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king's horses, And all the king's men, Couldn't put Humpty together again ... this speaks to me!"
With this, the Church audience clapped.

Wake up Brothers and Sisters in Christ, for as a man thinketh, ....

2 Corinthians 4:Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

This is why Jesus said: "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" because no one has ever seen Infinite and Eternal "I Am", so God sent His son to reveal Himself to us in "knowledge", to see Him in our minds, feel Him in our hearts. By "faith through evidence with substance", not blindly accepting a man made doctrine that doesn't make any sense.

God bless us all!

GOD made man in his own image. Next time you are out in the sunlight, look to the ground where your shaddow is. That is the image of GOD. Small or large, wide or thin, it is still the image of GOD.

Blessings.

Blade


Umm, .. OK my friend, .. but how does that prove God being Jesus, and dying?
How does my shadow explain being made in Gods image?
How do you explain God dying, because that is what the Christians believe, and what this OP is about that "God died".

Thank you for your kind response, and God bless you.

First the Shaddow is an image of each of us. Being an image, has no facial, color or other features that would identify a individual. We all have God's image. OUR Shadow is a image of GOD himself.

Had you really read the Bible you would know that there are many places where Jesus was not aware of what was going to happen. It shows He actually believed the Kingdom of Heaven (Now a future Millennium) that He was preaching to the Jews would come within their lifetime. At the Cross at the end, He ask His father Why had His Father forsaken  HIM......Had Jesus know He was god, He could have simply walked off or worse.   He did not.. Have you seen the Passion. The beating the Roman soldiers gave him in that film, was a small amount according to scriptures.

But in the end, you interpretation is what you and only you have to answer GOD's judgement with... Be very careful.

Blade

you said: "Thank you my friend Blade, now please I ask you sincerely if you could show me where we could find that God ever abdicated His power? "  Jesus was a Man at the time of Crucifixion before He died yet in Mat 24:44. Notice the "NO MAN" part.

Mat 24:44...."But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." [/color]    Jesus at this time was only a man.

If that is not good enough for you, which I doubt, Mar 13:32..."But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

So in two verses of GOD's WORD which you disagree with, Jesus tells us that as a Man He does not know the time (in Jewish terms) the 2nd coming of the Messiah will happen.

THe other verse tells us the same thing except it adds "Neither the SON"  so as to clarify any misgivings you might have.


Have a good day.

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on January 28, 2019, 06:56:47 pm
"The Battle for your Mind" (full sermon by Adrian Rodgers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=362&v=7oURbbvVSuc

A beautiful Sermon by late Dr. Adrian Rogers, whom my wife and I and my two kids listened to every Sunday morning for years. Oh such wonderful words, the voice, the calm demeanor of that good Pastor, it was truly refreshing to listen to him. Sure got the message out clear too, .. we loved that man for his sermons, and as the Bible says: "he shall receive his reward."

But if we look at this video closer, one thing specially sticks out, it is the New Age, or this; NASA-science-age. Planets, the Globe earth, beautiful CGI tour of the Star Trek space, with quasars exploding creating black holes and eventually evolving over billions of years galaxies filled with planets which are said to be twirling and expanding along the Fabric of Spacetime, all the while he speaks of none other then Jesus the Lord.

Well ask yourself, what does Gods son Word (akas Jesus our Lord) has to do with the Globe earth, and Big-Banged space, and the video also included scenes of biological evolution??

Who is our Lord Jesus Christ?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

What was made?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth

Through whom?

through as it says in John 1:3, .. through the Word, the son of God, who later not just visited the earth, but became flesh.

It was the fourth day that God created the sun, moon and all the stars, and put them in a place called heaven. It does not say God suddenly expanded the sun, moon and the stars, but like he did the grass of the field the daay before, He meticulously created it.

While Christianity is lulled to sleep with each wonderful sermon from the Bible, another conspiracy is taking place in their subconscious, just like it shows in this video, the messages are subliminal, and are bombarding us from everywhere. So just as the subject of this video: Proverbs 23:7 "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:" we too have been conditioned to think a certain way. One major fall is that we were made to believe that Jesus was God.
It is not hard to take us to the next step of this Giant Conspiracy, for if Jesus was God, then the Roman Pontius Pilot under the Emperor Tiberius was able to kill God.
The implication of such a beliefe can be eternal to ones soul, eternal damnation that is.

Look, if jesus was God, and both Jesus and God died, then 2/3 of the trinity died that day, for the Bible is clear that God is our Father, not Jesus.
If Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then they are all Fathers also.
One Christian Minister with his doctorate in Theology tried to explain to me about this paradox, he said: "Yes, God is all three, and all three are then Fathers. Think about it this way:" he continued: "I am a father, and my son is a father, and my grandson will one day be a father. So you see, the Trinity-God is not so hard to understand!"

Well of course I begged to differ, nor would I "agree to disagree", because I told him "that would be being lookwarm, and we know how God feels about us being lookwarnm right?"

But of all the crafty apologetics regarding the Trinity, it was our dear Adrian Rogers responce that starled me and my wife the most. As my family and I were lisstening one Sunday morning to Adrian Rogers "Love Worth Finding" weekly telecast, the announcer asked if before he concluded his service he could briefly explain the Trinity Doctrine; to the younger audience who were listening to his program world wide? This is what he said: (not verbatim, it has been years, and I have failed to find this perticular sermon of his ever since)
"To our younger audience, I would sum up the Trinity is this way: Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king's horses, And all the king's men, Couldn't put Humpty together again ... this speaks to me!"
With this, the Church audience clapped.

Wake up Brothers and Sisters in Christ, for as a man thinketh, ....


2 Corinthians 4:Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

This is why Jesus said: "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" because no one has ever seen Infinite and Eternal "I Am", so God sent His son to reveal Himself to us in "knowledge", to see Him in our minds, feel Him in our hearts. By "faith through evidence with substance", not blindly accepting a man made doctrine that doesn't make any sense.

God bless us all!
Thank you Seve !!! I had a short video clip of this sermon but I didn't have the whole thing.


As A Man Thinketh...
"The Battle for your Mind" (full sermon by Adrian Rodgers)

6 minutes - great sermon - it's for you

https://youtu.be/7oURbbvVSuc





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Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on January 28, 2019, 07:33:23 pm
"The Battle for your Mind" (full sermon by Adrian Rodgers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=362&v=7oURbbvVSuc

A beautiful Sermon by late Dr. Adrian Rogers, whom my wife and I and my two kids listened to every Sunday morning for years. Oh such wonderful words, the voice, the calm demeanor of that good Pastor, it was truly refreshing to listen to him. Sure got the message out clear too, .. we loved that man for his sermons, and as the Bible says: "he shall receive his reward."

But if we look at this video closer, one thing specially sticks out, it is the New Age, or this; NASA-science-age. Planets, the Globe earth, beautiful CGI tour of the Star Trek space, with quasars exploding creating black holes and eventually evolving over billions of years galaxies filled with planets which are said to be twirling and expanding along the Fabric of Spacetime, all the while he speaks of none other then Jesus the Lord.

Well ask yourself, what does Gods son Word (akas Jesus our Lord) has to do with the Globe earth, and Big-Banged space, and the video also included scenes of biological evolution??

Who is our Lord Jesus Christ?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

What was made?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth

Through whom?

through as it says in John 1:3, .. through the Word, the son of God, who later not just visited the earth, but became flesh.

It was the fourth day that God created the sun, moon and all the stars, and put them in a place called heaven. It does not say God suddenly expanded the sun, moon and the stars, but like he did the grass of the field the daay before, He meticulously created it.

While Christianity is lulled to sleep with each wonderful sermon from the Bible, another conspiracy is taking place in their subconscious, just like it shows in this video, the messages are subliminal, and are bombarding us from everywhere. So just as the subject of this video: Proverbs 23:7 "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:" we too have been conditioned to think a certain way. One major fall is that we were made to believe that Jesus was God.
It is not hard to take us to the next step of this Giant Conspiracy, for if Jesus was God, then the Roman Pontius Pilot under the Emperor Tiberius was able to kill God.
The implication of such a beliefe can be eternal to ones soul, eternal damnation that is.

Look, if jesus was God, and both Jesus and God died, then 2/3 of the trinity died that day, for the Bible is clear that God is our Father, not Jesus.
If Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then they are all Fathers also.
One Christian Minister with his doctorate in Theology tried to explain to me about this paradox, he said: "Yes, God is all three, and all three are then Fathers. Think about it this way:" he continued: "I am a father, and my son is a father, and my grandson will one day be a father. So you see, the Trinity-God is not so hard to understand!"

Well of course I begged to differ, nor would I "agree to disagree", because I told him "that would be being lookwarm, and we know how God feels about us being lookwarnm right?"

But of all the crafty apologetics regarding the Trinity, it was our dear Adrian Rogers responce that starled me and my wife the most. As my family and I were lisstening one Sunday morning to Adrian Rogers "Love Worth Finding" weekly telecast, the announcer asked if before he concluded his service he could briefly explain the Trinity Doctrine; to the younger audience who were listening to his program world wide? This is what he said: (not verbatim, it has been years, and I have failed to find this perticular sermon of his ever since)
"To our younger audience, I would sum up the Trinity is this way: Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king's horses, And all the king's men, Couldn't put Humpty together again ... this speaks to me!"
With this, the Church audience clapped.

Wake up Brothers and Sisters in Christ, for as a man thinketh, ....


2 Corinthians 4:Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

This is why Jesus said: "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" because no one has ever seen Infinite and Eternal "I Am", so God sent His son to reveal Himself to us in "knowledge", to see Him in our minds, feel Him in our hearts. By "faith through evidence with substance", not blindly accepting a man made doctrine that doesn't make any sense.

God bless us all!
Thank you Seve !!! I had a short video clip of this sermon but I didn't have the whole thing.


As A Man Thinketh...
"The Battle for your Mind" (full sermon by Adrian Rodgers)

6 minutes - great sermon - it's for you

https://youtu.be/7oURbbvVSuc





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you said:"But if we look at this video closer, one thing specially sticks out, it is the New Age, or this; NASA-science-age. Planets, the Globe earth, beautiful CGI tour of the Star Trek space, with quasars exploding creating black holes and eventually evolving over billions of years galaxies filled with planets which are said to be twirling and expanding along the Fabric of Spacetime, all the while he speaks of none other then Jesus the Lord.
"

Rem, None of this is real. God tells us what the world is and it is not according to NASA.

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 01, 2019, 11:00:54 pm
Umm, .. OK my friend, .. but how does that prove God being Jesus, and dying?
How does my shadow explain being made in Gods image?
How do you explain God dying, because that is what the Christians believe, and what this OP is about that "God died".

Thank you for your kind response, and God bless you.

First the Shaddow is an image of each of us. Being an image, has no facial, color or other features that would identify a individual. We all have God's image. OUR Shadow is a image of GOD himself.

Thanks again Blade.

So if I was to create, from the quantum dust particles an image of myself (just the physical part) that wouldn't be an "image"? I understand shadows, but wouldn't a mirror be a better definition of an image, or a sculpture, a painting, a photo?

How is our shadow the image of God himself?

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Had you really read the Bible you would know that there are many places where Jesus was not aware of what was going to happen. It shows He actually believed the Kingdom of Heaven (Now a future Millennium) that He was preaching to the Jews would come within their lifetime. At the Cross at the end, He ask His father Why had His Father forsaken  HIM......Had Jesus know He was god, He could have simply walked off or worse.   He did not.. Have you seen the Passion. The beating the Roman soldiers gave him in that film, was a small amount according to scriptures.

I'm not the one who claims Jesus was God, that would be the Christian Trinity Doctrine, not me.
Jesus understood thing far better than we can, because he was in constant prayer, and kept the commandments to a "t". With such, Gods Spirit is fully on him, instructing him, comforting him and so on. Jesus throughout his ministry said he only speaks of what he heard his Father speak, which is what was written in the Prophets. That's why he kept mentioning: "It was written, .. didn't you read this, and that!?" because the son Word became flesh, and was tempted like we are tempted, he was not some god-man or a sun-god. That's what i was saying.

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But in the end, you interpretation is what you and only you have to answer GOD's judgement with... Be very careful.

Blade [/shadow]

That's right, and this is why I am very careful not to create my own doctrines, but as Jesus taught us to stick with the written Word.
As you claim to be a Believer, then I ask you, remind you as a disciple of Christ of your duty to show me where my interpretation is wrong, especially be liable for judgement? Please?

Thanks again for your response

your friend

Arius.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 02, 2019, 01:09:05 am
While Christianity is lulled to sleep with each wonderful sermon from the Bible, another conspiracy is taking place in their subconscious, just like it shows in this video, the messages are subliminal, and are bombarding us from everywhere. So just as the subject of this video: Proverbs 23:7 "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:" we too have been conditioned to think a certain way. One major fall is that we were made to believe that Jesus was God.
It is not hard to take us to the next step of this Giant Conspiracy, for if Jesus was God, then the Roman Pontius Pilot under the Emperor Tiberius was able to kill God.
The implication of such a beliefe can be eternal to ones soul, eternal damnation that is.

I have the impression that we have similar views on religion (I hope that doesn't insult you!)…

Of course not, have you listened to George Carlin, or the best guy that I have ever heard on Religion was: Christopher Eric Hitchens, who was a British-American author, columnist, essayist, orator, journalist, and social critic. Hitchens was the author, co-author, editor or co-editor of over 30 books, including five collections of essays on culture, politics and literature.

.. whom I so wished to have debated just Once on his show, because the poor man, like his best friend Richard Dawkins were as ignorant about the Bible as they were about the Big-bang and their Evolution theories.
But they were right on with Religion.
My message is NOT against the Bible, and our Creator revealed in the Bible, but hoping to wake up the likes of Dawkins and Hitchens (and you my good man if you think like them) that using one ridiculous Religion (like the Big-Bang Evolution stories) to try to make fun of another Religion like Christianity is, well not as bright as they think they are. And boy them two are, or were proud (Hitchens is dead)
Just because they have a lot of follower, even in the millions, doesn't mean they shouldn't stop and think about their message, because it is out of sheer ignorance.

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The following newsletter by Ben Williams reminds me of some of the things you posted:

You misunderstood me my friend, just as your friend Ben Williams here misunderstood the relationship between Bible-God and the gods in Religion

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Ben Williams - Religions affect languages by inventing new words and redefining old words already in use. They need religious words and phrases to facilitate religious rhetoric. Special, often bizarre, words and phrases are employed to give voice to religious tenets.

In the realm of religion, words and phrases are often hijacked from the common vernacular and given new religious meanings that only work in religious venues.

I agree, especially in the Big-bang Evolution Religions, they rename things "falling" into non existent imaginary thing like "gravity", and make up all kinds of science fiction rhetoric like gravitons, crotons, string cheese theory, leptons, black and white holes, gravitational waves, bosons and a bunch of Star Trek bs. I'm sure you heard the latest, like that NASA discovered Tatooine, or their Star Wars Program, .. Lol. So yeah, I know what he means!

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For example, the term “saved” means to be rescued from a bad, or potentially bad, situation. But the same word in religious realms can mean “qualified to go to heaven.”

Well that doesn't compute. In the Biblical sense, that is exactly what it means.
Look, like in baseball, when the ump yells; "Safe!" we don't take that to mean "it is safe to jump out of a seventh story window", right? I mean I doubt if the umpire seen this dead guy flattened on the cement would yell: "Safe!" right?
We have to keep things in their proper context.
In the context of the Bible according to Jesus teaching, "one saved" means he or she is qualified to go to heaven.
What did he say next?

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Likewise, the word “worships" means to admire and honor someone. But in religious circles the term ‘worship” can mean “attending a church meeting.”

Or when your favorite football team makes a touchdown, I have seen sports fans actually bow down in worship before the Big-screen TV in the Sport Bar. So you see we could also say "worship means a touchdown made by your favorite Football Team". I'm sure you agree that for millions of fans, watching sport has become a Religion, right?

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Religions require their own sets of words and phrases to facilitate their religious tenets. So they invent words and redefine words. Words of religion become code-like terms, supportive of their particular theologies. In time those religious code words gain general acceptance and are used in the common language. This affects entire cultures.
(...)

I mean yeah, .. of course! Just like with sports. Here is some Baseball language that effected entire cultures:

* 6-4-3 Double Play:  Shortstop to second, to first double play.
* Aboard:  Used to refer to “on base,” as in “there are 2 men aboard.”
* Ace:  Term used to refer to a top-notch starting pitcher.
* Alley:  Spaces in the field between the outfielders.
* Around the Horn:  When the fielders throw the ball around from 3rd, to 2nd to 1st during a double play OR when the catcher throws the ball down to third and the fielders toss it around after a strikeout OR when a hitter touches them all after a home run.

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They are the words and phrases reinvented and/or redefined by priests and politicians. The public uses these words without knowing what the words mean. Thus a major part of our common language consists of words that have been changed from their original meanings and forgotten.

Yeah, sure, especially those who are not of the same belief, or Religion. Or like those who hate baseball would never know what those words (baseball slangs) really mean?

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Americans, for the most part, have no idea what the words mean when they use them. In most cases people resort to popular terms and believe whatever the priests and politicians tell them the words mean.
https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/download/file.php?id=334[/quote]

Oh come on, i wouldn't go as far as saying: "Americans, for the most part, have no idea what the words mean when they use them", .. that's silly.

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For me the most interesting of Williams' remarks is that “Christ” was really the name for “Mithras” (that was the first time I heard that!).

.. or, Mithras was created as a False Christ, .. by people that hate baseball, .. I mean hate Jesus and the Bible!? Have you thought of that?
If you want a really good hate-Jesus film documentary, watch the YouTube "Zeitgeist" Hate-on-Jesus and hate-on-the-Bible is everywhere my friend, but most are distorted facts, made up stories written by people who truly hate God. Not because they believe He does not exist, right? No one would go into so much BS if they really didn't believe in God.
My suggestion is that you hear all things out, then investigate. Find out what's really behind their story? You will see that atheism is the biggest hypocritical Religion there is, hands down!

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Christians were persecuted by the Romans like Jesus had predicted, while Christianity became ever more popular among the poor people. Then the Romans found a better way to pacify Christians: in the 4 century AD, Roman Emperor Constantine merged the teaching of Jesus with Judaism and Mithraism. So instead Christians fighting against the rich slavedrivers, they learned to respect the elite.

In reality, if you study the Roman Christian History is that Constantine took over, and copied the books of the Hebrew Prophets, both the OT and the Apostles writings, then took this word "Christian" that the gentiles used to mock the early Disciples of Christ, and added them to their pagan religions and idols. So yes, in the Original RCC-Christian Religion, they did make Jesus as Mithras, and their sun-god which is none other than Lucifer.
I don't think Judaism accepts Jesus yet, but yes, Christianity is a mix a little of all Religions.
There is a big difference between holding and preaching from the Bible and actually believing in it. Would you believe a Used-car Salesman if he swore on a stack of Bibles and quoted scripture?
No, right? You would go and check out the car yourself.

Yes, we as Believers and followers of the Way do respect and honor our rulers, no matter how much they make us suffer, or try to kill me, I mean us.

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The Romans even made Jesus say that he supported taxes to the Roman mass murderers (give the emperor what is his) and made Pontius Pilate supposedly try to save Jesus from death (which Jesus then supposedly refused)...
Therefore the Pharisees sentenced Jesus Christ, their own messiah to Death at the hands of the Romans. Pontius Pilot washed His hands of the matter as He tried to save Jesus from harm. In the end, it was predestined that His soldiers carryout the wishes of the Pharisees over the Jewish synagogue.

For more information on Mithraism: https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/msg3219/#msg3219

You see my friend, God is God over Satan too, as he is over all the other gods who take life into their own hands and murder men, women and children with chemo therapy, or simply "put elderly down" just like sick or unwanted dogs right after they start collecting Social Security.
As for the Romans and the Pharisees, they were no different than our Military Rulers today, they both caused horrible suffering, and terrible crimes against humanity which soon they will have to face up to.

Seek the Lord my friend, but just so you know that "there are many false Christs out there", .. many denominations yelling: "He's here, .. no, he is over there!"
Read the Bible, if there is anything in there (not what some God hater atheist, or Religious Priest who want's to get you in his church told you) that you don't understand, hey, I'm here, I can maybe explain!? If not me, there is a lot of good info out there, all you have to do is look, seek, knock!

God bless you Firestarter.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 02, 2019, 01:26:58 am


you said:"But if we look at this video closer, one thing specially sticks out, it is the New Age, or this; NASA-science-age. Planets, the Globe earth, beautiful CGI tour of the Star Trek space, with quasars exploding creating black holes and eventually evolving over billions of years galaxies filled with planets which are said to be twirling and expanding along the Fabric of Spacetime, all the while he speaks of none other then Jesus the Lord.
"

Rem, None of this is real. God tells us what the world is and it is not according to NASA.

Blade

So do you believe that the earth is a globe spinning up there where the stars are?
Or are you saying nothing is real?

Or do you mean this:

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Thanks.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 03, 2019, 07:04:37 pm
- As a man thinketh -

Just a few years ago I, along with billions of people thought I was up there where the stars are, on a spinning globe as depicted by our science teachers by a paper or plastic globe, and as shown in Disney cartoons and NASA Computer graphic images like we see in science fiction movies.
I believed that NASA were actually exploring other planets up there where the stars are, and was anxious what kind of life they will find on Mars. I was hoping to one day see; "My Favorite Martian".

Oh yeah, and that Jesus and his Apostles were Christians, and that the Roman Catholic Christian Church was a take off from Apostle Peter, and that over time it just became corrupt as Satan took more and more hold of Christs Church.

I accepted all this (and a lot more fantastic stories) through "blind faith" which is what I, and everyone in my old Church thought was how we are to come to Christ, and through listening to Christian Preachers, Teachers, Elders for they were the mouthpiece of God,and that upon my death I will be escorted by winged Angels into Heaven and be with the Lord forever more.

Oh yeah, and having gone to many, many, many funerals in my life of Christians, Atheists, Muslim, Hindu, Mormon, I accepted (or more like never bothered to think about it) that at the end, EVERYONE goes to Heaven, even those who I knew were atheist and didn't believe in God, or His son Jesus Christ. They were all sent off to Heaven to be with all their atheist, Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Mafioso (whatever) loved ones who have passed on before. I have never, ever heard of anyone sent off to become "one with the universe"!?

Adrian Rogers sermons were beautiful, Biblical (for the most part) and really touched my heart every time me and my family listened to him, just like Billy Graham, but now that I woke up to mind boggling conspiracies, I realized that my Christian Religion was the culprit in training me through doctrines, and even MK-ultra to accept everything that TPTB told us, starting with our Teachers, Ministers, Government officials, Presidents etc. What I'm saying is that for the last 1,700 years we have been trained to accept an alternate reality, and there is no better way to describe this than what today our Military Government calls science, and what Religions call God.

Any opinions, comments, suggestions or questions?

Thank you.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on February 03, 2019, 11:22:39 pm
- As a man thinketh -

Just a few years ago I, along with billions of people thought I was up there where the stars are, on a spinning globe as depicted by our science teachers by a paper or plastic globe, and as shown in Disney cartoons and NASA Computer graphic images like we see in science fiction movies.
I believed that NASA were actually exploring other planets up there where the stars are, and was anxious what kind of life they will find on Mars. I was hoping to one day see; "My Favorite Martian".

Oh yeah, and that Jesus and his Apostles were Christians, and that the Roman Catholic Christian Church was a take off from Apostle Peter, and that over time it just became corrupt as Satan took more and more hold of Christs Church.

I accepted all this (and a lot more fantastic stories) through "blind faith" which is what I, and everyone in my old Church thought was how we are to come to Christ, and through listening to Christian Preachers, Teachers, Elders for they were the mouthpiece of God,and that upon my death I will be escorted by winged Angels into Heaven and be with the Lord forever more.

Oh yeah, and having gone to many, many, many funerals in my life of Christians, Atheists, Muslim, Hindu, Mormon, I accepted (or more like never bothered to think about it) that at the end, EVERYONE goes to Heaven, even those who I knew were atheist and didn't believe in God, or His son Jesus Christ. They were all sent off to Heaven to be with all their atheist, Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Mafioso (whatever) loved ones who have passed on before. I have never, ever heard of anyone sent off to become "one with the universe"!?

Adrian Rogers sermons were beautiful, Biblical (for the most part) and really touched my heart every time me and my family listened to him, just like Billy Graham, but now that I woke up to mind boggling conspiracies, I realized that my Christian Religion was the culprit in training me through doctrines, and even MK-ultra to accept everything that TPTB told us, starting with our Teachers, Ministers, Government officials, Presidents etc. What I'm saying is that for the last 1,700 years we have been trained to accept an alternate reality, and there is no better way to describe this than what today our Military Government calls science, and what Religions call God.

Any opinions, comments, suggestions or questions?

Thank you.

you said: "that for the last 1,700, we have been trained" is not exactly right.

Up until the late 1800 and early 1900's the flat earth was real. Until the late 1940 and 1950's did the Military, and NASA (1952) change this. At this time, the schools began teaching the Globe to all children. The Churches did not have much choice but to get on board the 'Globed earth train' after the science came out in support of the GLOBE.   It was either go along with it or be labeled a crazy and have no church.

So don't blame them (Churches) too hard as most of them had rather have a congregation and the ability to save some lives for GOD.

Anyone of us who have decide to follow the WORD of GOD, are labeled as crazy, idiots, etc. our Plight is catching on, for there are more of us today than there were at the beginning of the 21st century.

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 05, 2019, 04:01:17 pm
- As a man thinketh -

Just a few years ago I, along with billions of people thought I was up there where the stars are, on a spinning globe as depicted by our science teachers by a paper or plastic globe, and as shown in Disney cartoons and NASA Computer graphic images like we see in science fiction movies.
I believed that NASA were actually exploring other planets up there where the stars are, and was anxious what kind of life they will find on Mars. I was hoping to one day see; "My Favorite Martian".

Oh yeah, and that Jesus and his Apostles were Christians, and that the Roman Catholic Christian Church was a take off from Apostle Peter, and that over time it just became corrupt as Satan took more and more hold of Christs Church.

I accepted all this (and a lot more fantastic stories) through "blind faith" which is what I, and everyone in my old Church thought was how we are to come to Christ, and through listening to Christian Preachers, Teachers, Elders for they were the mouthpiece of God,and that upon my death I will be escorted by winged Angels into Heaven and be with the Lord forever more.

Oh yeah, and having gone to many, many, many funerals in my life of Christians, Atheists, Muslim, Hindu, Mormon, I accepted (or more like never bothered to think about it) that at the end, EVERYONE goes to Heaven, even those who I knew were atheist and didn't believe in God, or His son Jesus Christ. They were all sent off to Heaven to be with all their atheist, Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Mafioso (whatever) loved ones who have passed on before. I have never, ever heard of anyone sent off to become "one with the universe"!?

Adrian Rogers sermons were beautiful, Biblical (for the most part) and really touched my heart every time me and my family listened to him, just like Billy Graham, but now that I woke up to mind boggling conspiracies, I realized that my Christian Religion was the culprit in training me through doctrines, and even MK-ultra to accept everything that TPTB told us, starting with our Teachers, Ministers, Government officials, Presidents etc. What I'm saying is that for the last 1,700 years we have been trained to accept an alternate reality, and there is no better way to describe this than what today our Military Government calls science, and what Religions call God.

Any opinions, comments, suggestions or questions?

Thank you.

you said: "that for the last 1,700, we have been trained" is not exactly right.

Up until the late 1800 and early 1900's the flat earth was real. Until the late 1940 and 1950's did the Military, and NASA (1952) change this. At this time, the schools began teaching the Globe to all children. The Churches did not have much choice but to get on board the 'Globed earth train' after the science came out in support of the GLOBE.   It was either go along with it or be labeled a crazy and have no church.

Again I thank you for your reply my friend

Earliest actual globe used to identify the earth:

The earliest extant terrestrial globe was made in 1492 by Martin Behaim (1459–1537) with help from the painter Georg Glockendon. Behaim was a German mapmaker, navigator, and merchant. Working in Nuremberg, Germany, he called his globe the "Nürnberg Terrestrial Globe." It is now known as the Erdapfel.

Celestial globe was named 天體儀 in Qing Dynasty. The one in Beijing Ancient Observatory was made by Belgian missionary Ferdinand Verbiest (南懷仁) 1673 C.E. Unlike other Chinese celestial globes, it employs 360 degrees rather than the 365.24 degrees (which is a standard in ancient China).

Quote from: Bladerunner
So don't blame them (Churches) too hard as most of them had rather have a congregation and the ability to save some lives for GOD.

You have that backwards brother, .. we "give up our physical lives" for God, not try to save it at any cost. God is not dead for real, He can save a small remnant for himself even with Lucifer/Satan running the world by it's own made up Religious system.

As you can see, it all points to Rome and The Church of Rome, and the Germans.
I mean just look who runs NASA.gov space, also the U.S., .. the UN, .. the World, .. tells us what is science and what is not, ..  it's the Germans.
And who runs the Germans? The Church of Rome, specifically the Jesuits.
The Pope runs and governs the Catholic side of Christianity included ar (atheism, Islam, Luciferianism, and all the other Religions) , and the Germans starting with Luther runs the Protestant side, and they control the main philosophy regarding the Bible, the main idea, which is; how to interpret the God of the Bible and it's the same on both sides; the Catholic and the Protestant, and it is interpreted through Christian Trinity Doctrine!

Who put the first globes into Chine Ming, Qing dynasty?

Ferdinand Verbiest
- Father Ferdinand Verbiest was a Flemish Jesuit missionary in China during the Qing dynasty. He was born in Pittem near Tielt in the County of Flanders. He is known as Nan Huairen in Chinese

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Anyone of us who have decide to follow the WORD of GOD, are labeled as crazy, idiots, etc. our Plight is catching on, for there are more of us today than there were at the beginning of the 21st century.

Yes, that's the "idea" that 'The Church' want's to maintain, that Christianity is crazy, and they even pretended for hundreds of years that they were opposed to the "globe idea", yet we can today see it was always the opposite. The plan was always to slowly change peoples understanding of God, and His creation.
By killing God, and putting His son Word back on the cross, they were able to pass of a New Heaven; space, and a New Globe-earth spinning uncontrollably through it. Man, well we are just animals, evolving apes, not so distant cousins of rats. So to exterminate us, "They (that live)" consider it doing us a favor, giving the rest of us rats a little better life, .. a "more sustainable life".


Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on February 05, 2019, 04:42:11 pm



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Again I thank you for your reply my friend

Earliest actual globe used to identify the earth:

The earliest extant terrestrial globe was made in 1492 by Martin Behaim (1459–1537) with help from the painter Georg Glockendon. Behaim was a German mapmaker, navigator, and merchant. Working in Nuremberg, Germany, he called his globe the "Nürnberg Terrestrial Globe." It is now known as the Erdapfel.

Celestial globe was named 天體儀 in Qing Dynasty. The one in Beijing Ancient Observatory was made by Belgian missionary Ferdinand Verbiest (南懷仁) 1673 C.E. Unlike other Chinese celestial globes, it employs 360 degrees rather than the 365.24 degrees (which is a standard in ancient China).

Quote from: Bladerunner
So don't blame them (Churches) too hard as most of them had rather have a congregation and the ability to save some lives for GOD.

You have that backwards brother, .. we "give up our physical lives" for God, not try to save it at any cost. God is not dead for real, He can save a small remnant for himself even with Lucifer/Satan running the world by it's own made up Religious system.

As you can see, it all points to Rome and The Church of Rome, and the Germans.
I mean just look who runs NASA.gov space, also the U.S., .. the UN, .. the World, .. tells us what is science and what is not, ..  it's the Germans.
And who runs the Germans? The Church of Rome, specifically the Jesuits.
The Pope runs and governs the Catholic side of Christianity included ar (atheism, Islam, Luciferianism, and all the other Religions) , and the Germans starting with Luther runs the Protestant side, and they control the main philosophy regarding the Bible, the main idea, which is; how to interpret the God of the Bible and it's the same on both sides; the Catholic and the Protestant, and it is interpreted through Christian Trinity Doctrine!

Who put the first globes into Chine Ming, Qing dynasty?

Ferdinand Verbiest
- Father Ferdinand Verbiest was a Flemish Jesuit missionary in China during the Qing dynasty. He was born in Pittem near Tielt in the County of Flanders. He is known as Nan Huairen in Chinese

Quote
Anyone of us who have decide to follow the WORD of GOD, are labeled as crazy, idiots, etc. our Plight is catching on, for there are more of us today than there were at the beginning of the 21st century.

Yes, that's the "idea" that 'The Church' want's to maintain, that Christianity is crazy, and they even pretended for hundreds of years that they were opposed to the "globe idea", yet we can today see it was always the opposite. The plan was always to slowly change peoples understanding of God, and His creation.
By killing God, and putting His son Word back on the cross, they were able to pass of a New Heaven; space, and a New Globe-earth spinning uncontrollably through it. Man, well we are just animals, evolving apes, not so distant cousins of rats. So to exterminate us, "They (that live)" consider it doing us a favor, giving the rest of us rats a little better life, .. a "more sustainable life".
Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein. The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 06, 2019, 12:58:33 pm
Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein. The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.

Glad to be here Brother.

You said: ".. and we agree on some things."
This is why I started this O.P. to hopefully get some responses to my way of thinking, and if I'm off, to receive some alternate views with evidence. I want to hear more on what we don't agree on then on what we do!
I know we agree on the globe conspiracy created by the R.C. Christians (aka Jesuits), what do you think of my understanding of the word "Christian"? Do you think the early Believers (before Constantine) called themselves Christian? Or is it just like the Bible says in Acts 11:26 that it was the Gentiles who mock-called the Believers “Christian”, but in the Bible we see that they never referred to themselves as Christians, but of “the Way”!

Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.


Yet later in Acts 19 he says;

Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion about “the Way”.

Why wouldn't the author of Acts who in chapter 11 mentions the disciples being called "Christian" later in Acts 19:3 call them Christian instead of "the Way"?

Here we see King Agrippa mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

I can almost hear the laughter in the court!

And here we see how insulting and annoying it started to become to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the Way”:

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Now I understand that we will suffer for following Christ, but please consider the context this is in? First, why would the author say the word Christian instead of "If anyone suffer for the sake of Christ" let him not be ashamed?

Because no disciple of Christ would ever consider following Jesus a "shame", none. Instead, they rejoiced to eve suffer physical punishment for his name sake.
But, like if people keep calling me a Flattard, it does get on my nerves, and becomes annoying knowing what we know, .. right?
Well the same we see here, the author is reminding Believers, those who referred to themselves as followers of "the Way" that it's not just physical suffering and want that we have to bear, but mocking also.

Now there Is a Group that took that name "Christian", and made a Religion out of it, and we know its history. What more proof do we need not to associate ourselves with that name?

The early disciples never used that name, there is no mention of any Apostles refer to themselves or other "churches" by that name, and knowing the dark and blood drenched history of the R.C. Christians, should be enough to know that Christ would never associate with such Religion.

Or is it my stand against the Trinity doctrine that you don't agree with?

Whenever you have time Brother?
Remember, no matter how much we may disagree, I would never quit because of disagreement, nor would I "agree to disagree". That would not be my Lords will. We have to stand against all opposing thoughts, beliefs and Religions.
It is the Christian Forums that ban me, and that is because they have to defend their Religion, not the truth, and the Moderators even admit that it is not that what I say is not Biblical, but just that it goes against "Christian Doctrine".
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on February 06, 2019, 01:37:30 pm
Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein. The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.

Glad to be here Brother.

You said: ".. and we agree on some things."
This is why I started this O.P. to hopefully get some responses to my way of thinking, and if I'm off, to receive some alternate views with evidence. I want to hear more on what we don't agree on then on what we do!
I know we agree on the globe conspiracy created by the R.C. Christians (aka Jesuits), what do you think of my understanding of the word "Christian"? Do you think the early Believers (before Constantine) called themselves Christian? Or is it just like the Bible says in Acts 11:26 that it was the Gentiles who mock-called the Believers “Christian”, but in the Bible we see that they never referred to themselves as Christians, but of “the Way”!

Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.


Yet later in Acts 19 he says;

Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion about “the Way”.

Why wouldn't the author of Acts who in chapter 11 mentions the disciples being called "Christian" later in Acts 19:3 call them Christian instead of "the Way"?

Here we see King Agrippa mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

I can almost hear the laughter in the court!

And here we see how insulting and annoying it started to become to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the Way”:

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Now I understand that we will suffer for following Christ, but please consider the context this is in? First, why would the author say the word Christian instead of "If anyone suffer for the sake of Christ" let him not be ashamed?

Because no disciple of Christ would ever consider following Jesus a "shame", none. Instead, they rejoiced to eve suffer physical punishment for his name sake.
But, like if people keep calling me a Flattard, it does get on my nerves, and becomes annoying knowing what we know, .. right?
Well the same we see here, the author is reminding Believers, those who referred to themselves as followers of "the Way" that it's not just physical suffering and want that we have to bear, but mocking also.

Now there Is a Group that took that name "Christian", and made a Religion out of it, and we know its history. What more proof do we need not to associate ourselves with that name?

The early disciples never used that name, there is no mention of any Apostles refer to themselves or other "churches" by that name, and knowing the dark and blood drenched history of the R.C. Christians, should be enough to know that Christ would never associate with such Religion.

Or is it my stand against the Trinity doctrine that you don't agree with?

Whenever you have time Brother?
Remember, no matter how much we may disagree, I would never quit because of disagreement, nor would I "agree to disagree". That would not be my Lords will. We have to stand against all opposing thoughts, beliefs and Religions.
It is the Christian Forums that ban me, and that is because they have to defend their Religion, not the truth, and the Moderators even admit that it is not that what I say is not Biblical, but just that it goes against "Christian Doctrine".
Well the Book of Acts is very detailed and intricate, requiring much study. It is not written chronologically necessarily and in some chapters they seem out of order. I can agree with your reading of "Christians" and "Followers of the Way" - The fact is however, that we will never get folks to stop using that word or name to identify with. I admit it would be hard for me to refer to myself as something other than Christian in a theological context. I see nothing wrong with calling yourself a follower of the way and it will get people to think.

There are way too many denominations and doctrines under the "Christian" Umbrella. Paul said that he knew nothing but Christ Crucified. I can certainly accept that they were first called Christians as a  mockery. Originally a negative connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about certain details. I cannot deny the clear words of John chapter 1. Plus the numerous other references to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I can promise that you will never get banned either here or at TF.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 10, 2019, 03:07:40 am
Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein. The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.

Glad to be here Brother.

You said: ".. and we agree on some things."
This is why I started this O.P. to hopefully get some responses to my way of thinking, and if I'm off, to receive some alternate views with evidence. I want to hear more on what we don't agree on then on what we do!
I know we agree on the globe conspiracy created by the R.C. Christians (aka Jesuits), what do you think of my understanding of the word "Christian"? Do you think the early Believers (before Constantine) called themselves Christian? Or is it just like the Bible says in Acts 11:26 that it was the Gentiles who mock-called the Believers “Christian”, but in the Bible we see that they never referred to themselves as Christians, but of “the Way”!

Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.


Yet later in Acts 19 he says;

Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion about “the Way”.

Why wouldn't the author of Acts who in chapter 11 mentions the disciples being called "Christian" later in Acts 19:3 call them Christian instead of "the Way"?

Here we see King Agrippa mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

I can almost hear the laughter in the court!

And here we see how insulting and annoying it started to become to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the Way”:

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Now I understand that we will suffer for following Christ, but please consider the context this is in? First, why would the author say the word Christian instead of "If anyone suffer for the sake of Christ" let him not be ashamed?

Because no disciple of Christ would ever consider following Jesus a "shame", none. Instead, they rejoiced to eve suffer physical punishment for his name sake.
But, like if people keep calling me a Flattard, it does get on my nerves, and becomes annoying knowing what we know, .. right?
Well the same we see here, the author is reminding Believers, those who referred to themselves as followers of "the Way" that it's not just physical suffering and want that we have to bear, but mocking also.

Now there Is a Group that took that name "Christian", and made a Religion out of it, and we know its history. What more proof do we need not to associate ourselves with that name?

The early disciples never used that name, there is no mention of any Apostles refer to themselves or other "churches" by that name, and knowing the dark and blood drenched history of the R.C. Christians, should be enough to know that Christ would never associate with such Religion.

Or is it my stand against the Trinity doctrine that you don't agree with?

Whenever you have time Brother?
Remember, no matter how much we may disagree, I would never quit because of disagreement, nor would I "agree to disagree". That would not be my Lords will. We have to stand against all opposing thoughts, beliefs and Religions.
It is the Christian Forums that ban me, and that is because they have to defend their Religion, not the truth, and the Moderators even admit that it is not that what I say is not Biblical, but just that it goes against "Christian Doctrine".

Well the Book of Acts is very detailed and intricate, requiring much study. It is not written chronologically necessarily and in some chapters they seem out of order. I can agree with your reading of "Christians" and "Followers of the Way" - The fact is however, that we will never get folks to stop using that word or name to identify with. I admit it would be hard for me to refer to myself as something other than Christian in a theological context. I see nothing wrong with calling yourself a follower of the way and it will get people to think.

Ah, thank you Mr. Patrick, I actually found an intellectually superior Moderator, I hope and pray others follow in your footsteps.

In the beginning, I really thought I was sinning when I suggested for Believers to get out of Christianity. I prayed about it for months, I double checked myself, I listened to suggestions, to Warnings, but not one pushed me away from my initial understanding that the name "Christian", and what it stands for is bad.
Not only did any suggestion against me "blaspheming" (yes, I was even told I was blaspheming) Christians, instead each added more evidence reassuring me that I was doing the right thing.
Actually, it is almost exactly how I came to realize that the earth was not some globe spinning and wobbling up there amongst the stars.
There too, I read the Bible and it says: God created the Heaven and the Earth. It is much later He put the star up there. Nowhere in the Bible does it say; "God then took the earth and made it into a ball, a globe, and made it orbit the sun along with other earths, or planets held there by gravity. I mean think about it, starting with gravity, to a thousand things that are involved in keeping the globe in this imaginary space, yet Not One is mentioned in creation!?
No quasars, no black holes, no supernovas, as if God wasn't even at His creation. No wonder that this Big Bang theory alienates God from His creation, and why pseudoscience makes Gods creation for the simpleminded. Here is Gods creation:

Genesis 1:1 God created the Heaven and the earth"

And here is the Big Bang Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
Or,
"How to remake a Big-Bang":
https://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html

Now how would anything in the Bible fit in with all the physics and mathematics that go into creating the Big-Bang, right?

Well same with the word "Christian, and Christianity" where God is just way too simple when interpreted from a non-trinitarian Early Disciples perspective, them simple sheepherders and fisherman, simply: "God is Infinite, God is One, and there is no other gods beside Him".

Trinity: Oh, but God is not really One, but is far more complex than that. God is really made up of three individuals with free will, in which any one of them could die. But to understand this is a mystery, no human mind could really comprehend God (noticed that any time anyone tries to understand, or question the Trinity-doctrine, they are right away told that they are questioning and trying to understand God, .. and not the Trinity.

Just like in the Globe-earth, the same with associating ourselves with Cristian and Christian doctrine, when we learn the truth, it will not only become obvious it is not the truth, and not Biblical, but you will see how detrimental it can be to our faith in and walk with Christ.
I mean the word Christ may be in there, but just as with "Flat earth" and "Globe-earth", just because the word "earth" is in both, you have to admit that they don't mean the same.
Just as gravity is part of Globe-earth, the Trinity-gods are part of Christianity.

Remember that other Christian Debating Site we were on? Why was I banned like three or four times? Was it because I mocked God, or said some derogatory things against the validity of the Bible? Of course not, there are atheists there that say all kinds of things against God, against Jesus and against the Bible. As long as they don't go against Christianity and it's Trinity Doctrine, .. they are tolerated even protected, .. right?

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Patrick Jane said: There are way too many denominations and doctrines under the "Christian" Umbrella. Paul said that he knew nothing but Christ Crucified. I can certainly accept that they were first called Christians as a  mockery. Originally a negative connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about certain details.

Yes true; "There are way too many denominations and doctrines under the "Christian" Umbrella", .. but not under Christs Church. A Baptist Christian will not attend a Catholic Christian Church, or a JW, or a Mormon, or a Presbyterian, or any other denomination. Do you think the disciples in the Church of Rome would not visit the disciples in the Church of Corinth, or Philadelphia?

OK brother, let me ask you this: "Are you sure we don't live on a spinning, and wobbling Globe-earth that's up there amongst the stars in space, held in orbit around the sun that we see every day going over our heads, by gravity, .. that God just forgot to mention in all the thousands of letters he had his Prophets, His son Word preach and teach which his Apostles documenting it all"?

Does it say: "God created the Heaven, the stars, and earth amongst the stars?" Because that's what these pseudoscientists are telling us, including the Christian Pope. Well this really took off when Rome took on the Christian name, and reinterpreted God through a Doctrine they made up.

Now let you and me just think about this for a minute brother; a Gentile pagan gods worshiping nation like Rome was, and Rome Is, .. created a very important doctrine to explain who God is. Not just who He is, but "His very Nature"!?
Which for some reason God didn't reveal to one of His chosen Prophets amongst His Chosen People (corrupt as they may be, even Jesus admitted that) or to any of Christs Apostles, but to Rome itself, certified by the gentile pagan gods worshipping Emperor Constantine.
If that right there is not something extremely contradicting to the Bible, then we might as well mock Jesus as Monty Python did in their movies like: "The Life of Brian", and Christians can even claim Jesus was actually a Roman, because Brother, the trinity-gods sure fit in with all the Roman gods, don't they? You know, "sun-god, Christmas on December 25, baby Thammuz as Jesus, then that Christian Easter celebration etc. how can we even blame people confusing the Christian gods with the pagan gods of old?

We CAN'T because they are the same ones.

- Continued -
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 10, 2019, 04:28:38 am
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Patrick Jane said:I can certainly accept that they were first called Christians as a  mockery. Originally a negative connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about certain details. I cannot deny the clear words of John chapter 1. Plus the numerous other references to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

All references to the son Word and to the Holy Ghost are made as "son Word aka Jesus Christ, and Holy Ghost", never as God.

Let's go further, we are all to represent ourselves as if God was in us also, our bodies as the Temple of God, for the Spirit of God lives in us, and it is written that we are to walk as if Christ was in us too, so ight there we could claim to be God, for the three is in us, the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus, .. and since all things are IN God, All hings Are from God, so in reality, all things ARE God since nothing exists outside of Infinite/God. But we don't say a tree is God, right? Well the same with Gods Holy Spirit or His son Word, even though they are all of God, including the Fiery Angel that appeared to Moses.

Who did Moses fall before, was he worshipping the dust of the ground, or a Fiery Angel, or was Moses worshipping God?
If the Fiery Angel was God (that is exactly who Moses talked to; "God") then why is He not included in the Trinity? Why?

Well the same goes with Gods son Word;

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,

It does not say: "In the beginning was God" because God is Infinite, actually Infinite/Eternal Is God and Infinite is borderless, and Eternal is outside of time, thus no beginning nor end. But the son Is the Beginning and the End of all creation.

and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Trinity interpretation would be: "and God was with God, and God was God" totally senseless and wrong.

The Word, that is Gods son Word Was God, just as Eve was Adam. Just as I said a tree was God, Heaven earth was God, everything and everyone was God "before the beginning", or before God created/beget His son Word and created all things through him. But this doesn't mean we worship trees, or the sun or the moon, or even the son Word as God, but as Lord.
And when we worship the son, we worship God, it is Gods will, not the sons to have it this way.
Why?
Because Gods son Word became flesh, so God could reveal Himself to us since the son Word was worthy in heaven, and now he proved his worth on earth being tempted in all things just as we were and remained righteous to His Father making God remain in him.
Why couldn't God just reveal Himself to us?
Because God is invisible, and no one has really seen God himself at any time, only the son reveals Him. Just as the Fiery Angel, or thunder, or whatever and whomever, even dust like us God chooses to reveal Himself through, reveals God.

2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Was God with God in the beginning? No, .. the son Word was with God in the beginning, .. because?
Because: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made"

.. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Again ask ourselves: "who became flesh?" does it say: "God became flesh"?
No.
But the Trinity Doctrine Does Say God became flesh and even died. This is blasphemy, yet it is an accepted Christian Doctrine, right?
Is it Biblical? No, because you will never find anywhere in the Bible saying Jesus is God.

Now even Moses was like God unto Pharaoh, to his brother Aaron and to the Children of Israel, yet none of them, not Pharaoh, not the Egyptians, not the children of Israel, no one confused, or worshipped Moses as God. But here is the Romans, they make Jesus into God, just so they could have God killed (in the minds and hearts of their sheep the; Christians).

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Patrick Jane said: I can promise that you will never get banned either here or at TF.

Ah, thank you Brother, .. and I pray to God through Jesus Christ that I will not make you break that promise!
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on February 10, 2019, 04:55:32 am
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Patrick Jane said:I can certainly accept that they were first called Christians as a  mockery. Originally a negative connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about certain details. I cannot deny the clear words of John chapter 1. Plus the numerous other references to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

All references to the son Word and to the Holy Ghost are made as "son Word aka Jesus Christ, and Holy Ghost", never as God.

Let's go further, we are all to represent ourselves as if God was in us also, our bodies as the Temple of God, for the Spirit of God lives in us, and it is written that we are to walk as if Christ was in us too, so ight there we could claim to be God, for the three is in us, the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus, .. and since all things are IN God, All hings Are from God, so in reality, all things ARE God since nothing exists outside of Infinite/God. But we don't say a tree is God, right? Well the same with Gods Holy Spirit or His son Word, even though they are all of God, including the Fiery Angel that appeared to Moses.

Who did Moses fall before, was he worshipping the dust of the ground, or a Fiery Angel, or was Moses worshipping God?
If the Fiery Angel was God (that is exactly who Moses talked to; "God") then why is He not included in the Trinity? Why?

Well the same goes with Gods son Word;

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,

It does not say: "In the beginning was God" because God is Infinite, actually Infinite/Eternal Is God and Infinite is borderless, and Eternal is outside of time, thus no beginning nor end. But the son Is the Beginning and the End of all creation.

and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Trinity interpretation would be: "and God was with God, and God was God" totally senseless and wrong.

The Word, that is Gods son Word Was God, just as Eve was Adam. Just as I said a tree was God, Heaven earth was God, everything and everyone was God "before the beginning", or before God created/beget His son Word and created all things through him. But this doesn't mean we worship trees, or the sun or the moon, or even the son Word as God, but as Lord.
And when we worship the son, we worship God, it is Gods will, not the sons to have it this way.
Why?
Because Gods son Word became flesh, so God could reveal Himself to us since the son Word was worthy in heaven, and now he proved his worth on earth being tempted in all things just as we were and remained righteous to His Father making God remain in him.
Why couldn't God just reveal Himself to us?
Because God is invisible, and no one has really seen God himself at any time, only the son reveals Him. Just as the Fiery Angel, or thunder, or whatever and whomever, even dust like us God chooses to reveal Himself through, reveals God.

2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Was God with God in the beginning? No, .. the son Word was with God in the beginning, .. because?
Because: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made"

.. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Again ask ourselves: "who became flesh?" does it say: "God became flesh"?
No.
But the Trinity Doctrine Does Say God became flesh and even died. This is blasphemy, yet it is an accepted Christian Doctrine, right?
Is it Biblical? No, because you will never find anywhere in the Bible saying Jesus is God.

Now even Moses was like God unto Pharaoh, to his brother Aaron and to the Children of Israel, yet none of them, not Pharaoh, not the Egyptians, not the children of Israel, no one confused, or worshipped Moses as God. But here is the Romans, they make Jesus into God, just so they could have God killed (in the minds and hearts of their sheep the; Christians).

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Patrick Jane said: I can promise that you will never get banned either here or at TF.

Ah, thank you Brother, .. and I pray to God through Jesus Christ that I will not make you break that promise!
I can see your line of thinking but consider this. God SPOKE everything into existence so in the beginning was the Word with a capital W = Jesus Christ is the Word. So right there you have God and Christ together in the beginning. The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and God CONSISTS of all three. We are IN Christ and Christ in us, the hope of glory, which was a mystery among other mysteries, some secret since the world began, others revealed to the prophets.

The Word is God and the Word is Christ. As God said in the beginning, "Let us, Let US make man in our image" - God's voice and His Word created all things. Read some of Job concerning God and creation and scriptures about God's voice and God speaking. In real life the father gives way to the son who becomes equal to or even greater than the father. Nothing is greater than the Father, as we know yet Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are equal parts of God. To me, that's the only way the Bible makes sense.

Now, at the same time, going back to childhood I have always thought in my mind somehow that God is great than Jesus and the HS. I can't force my mind to think that God is not the greatest. Therefore, I do not condemn those who go against the trinity doctrine because I don't think God will send people to hell if the get the trinity wrong. They can't both be right.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 10, 2019, 02:53:28 pm
I can see your line of thinking but consider this. God SPOKE everything into existence so in the beginning was the Word with a capital W = Jesus Christ is the Word. So right there you have God and Christ together in the beginning.

Ah, Thank You Lord, .. I love you Patrick Jane, you are actually willing to talk more about this man made Doctrine.

OK, now re-read what you said brother, like; "In The Beginning". Yes true, "in the beginning was the Word", but remember this because this is very critical, it is that God has no beginning because He Is Infinite! So this is strictly talking about Gods son Word who not only was there "in the beginning", but is called "the beginning and the End". So we can't really confuse Gods son Word with Infinite/Eternal God even if we tried, .. well not in truth, wouldn't you agree? One IS Infinite and Eternal, and the other IS the beginning and the End.
Creation and the created have a beginning and an end, but Infinite "I Am" does not.

So how would God define Himself if someone were to ask Him; who He was? Let's go back in Exodus where a man actually does ask Him?

Exodus 3:4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.”
5 “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” 6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.


OK, so who was Moses "really" looking at, and talking to?
Well, this is what the Bible says:

Exodus 3:2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.

You notice that the Christian Scholars did not capitalize the word "angel" here, yet it is God speaking. There is no way around this, the Angel of the Lord Is God, do we agree? (Clue: "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.”)
Yet somehow the Trinity doctrine ignores the Angel of Fire, .. why? Because like I said before that, then they would have to deal with not just three, but millions of "God" selves, including trees, because before the tree was created, it was God. In other words we could say: "in the beginning was tree, and the tree was with God, and the tree was God". We could actually say this with EVERYTHING God created, because it is all God. God is all in all, and all is God in the overall sense. But God does not want us to confuse the created, with Himself, so we shouldn't.

Exodus 3:13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
“This is my name forever,
    the name you shall call me
    from generation to generation.


So what is Gods name? is it "The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob", or "I Am"?
It is: "I Am", .. who is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. So God identified Himself by; "I Am" which He says is His name.
How else could the Only Infinite and Eternal God identify Himself other than "I Am"?
"I Am" is the Infinite and Eternal conscious Spirit/Mind. The first Word He spoke he named it His son "Word".

I think of  it like this: Imagine writing a book, and the book takes on free will. Well that is who Gods son Word is, because this book contains all of creation:

Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was NOT made out of things which are visible. (I emphasized the word "not")

Everything God created is by, and for this book called "Word", and the son/Word has free will, and through the son we come to see God, like it says here, that through the created, starting with His son Word, we can see/understand God:

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.

So now what?

2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

Who is both Infinite and Eternal? I don't mean like we shall inherit eternal life, but who is He himself Infinite and Eternal?
We know it's not the son Word, for when he became flesh as Jesus he made it clear who he was: "I am the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and omega", so there is only One who is both Infinite and Eternal with no beginning nor end, and it is God.

In heaven we see Gods presence as Light, and on His right side sits Jesus Christ, the Word of God. Where is the Holy Spirit sitting, .. on Gods left? And think also, where is the Angel of Fire-god, and all the other obvious God-selves? Even Hagar seen God, and she said "I seen God and lived'.

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Patrick Jane said - The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and God CONSISTS of all three. We are IN Christ and Christ in us, the hope of glory, which was a mystery among other mysteries, some secret since the world began, others revealed to the prophets.

The Word is God and the Word is Christ. As God said in the beginning, "Let us, Let US make man in our image" - God's voice and His Word created all things. Read some of Job concerning God and creation and scriptures about God's voice and God speaking. In real life the father gives way to the son who becomes equal to or even greater than the father. Nothing is greater than the Father, as we know yet Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are equal parts of God. To me, that's the only way the Bible makes sense.

No my friend, God does not "consist of" the Holy Spirit, but God IS "Holy and Spirit". But God is not His son Word.

And please don't say: "To me, that's the only way the Bible makes sense", because  what I see you doing is the only way you trying to make this Trinity Doctrine makes sense.  I mean we just barely scratched the surface understanding God.
I mean come on, how would Gods spoken Word, His creation be equal to, or even greater then God who spoke it, .. you know what I mean?

The "let us" part is because God is about to create man in their image, Adam in the image of God, and Eve in the image of His son Word.
Just as God beget His son Word of Himself, God made Eve from what He took out of Adam. I mean doesn't that make sense? because that is what happened, I see a beautiful image of God and His son Word (John 1:1-) here in Adam and Eves creation.

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Patrick said - Now, at the same time, going back to childhood I have always thought in my mind somehow that God is greater than Jesus and the HS. I can't force my mind to think that God is not the greatest. Therefore, I do not condemn those who go against the trinity doctrine because I don't think God will send people to hell if the get the trinity wrong. They can't both be right.

You said it Brother: "They can't both be right"!
So either God is made up of three individual gods, one of which is clearly His "begotten son Word", a created being, or Infinite/Eternal conscious Spirit/Mind who defined Himself to Moses as "I Am" Is God and there is "No Other gods Besides Him"!? because the Bible is clear that we will see Jesus sitting on the right hand side of God in Heaven. So if we went by the gentile Roman created Trinity Doctrine, then most definitely God would have at least one more god besides Him.

The Ten Commandments

20 And God spoke all these words:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Isaiah 45:5  (NIV)
5 I am the Lord, and there is no other;
    apart from me there is no God.


Joshua 24:15  (NIV)
15 But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

God bless you my Brother.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on February 10, 2019, 03:22:22 pm
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 10, 2019, 07:01:40 pm
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord

I know, .. that's what I'm talking about, if Jesus is a god, the Holy Spirit is another god, the Father is yet another, then why not the Angel of the Lord?

When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

All three are Biblically legitimate answers.

If you choose "a" above, then why do Trinitarians misunderstand the verse 28 here in John?

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them.
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,
“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Love you all.


PS
Remember that;

I'm just a fool whose intentions are good
Oh Lord,
Please don't let me be misunderstood!
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on February 10, 2019, 08:58:25 pm
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord

I know, .. that's what I'm talking about, if Jesus is a god, the Holy Spirit is another god, the Father is yet another, then why not the Angel of the Lord?

When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

All three are Biblically legitimate answers.

If you choose "a" above, then why do Trinitarians misunderstand the verse 28 here in John?

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them.
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,
“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Love you all.


PS
Remember that;

I'm just a fool whose intentions are good
Oh Lord,
Please don't let me be misunderstood!



If you would read the Bible literally, you would find out Jesus Christ has many names.

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 10, 2019, 10:30:51 pm
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord

I know, .. that's what I'm talking about, if Jesus is a god, the Holy Spirit is another god, the Father is yet another, then why not the Angel of the Lord?

When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

All three are Biblically legitimate answers.

If you choose "a" above, then why do Trinitarians misunderstand the verse 28 here in John?

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them.
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,
“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Love you all.


PS
Remember that;

I'm just a fool whose intentions are good
Oh Lord,
Please don't let me be misunderstood!



If you would read the Bible literally, you would find out Jesus Christ has many names.

Blade

I agree, something like 50 names, here is a few,

* Alpha and Omega – “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Rev. 22:13
* Advocate – “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1
* Author and Perfecter of Our Faith – “Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Heb. 12:2
* Authority – “Jesus said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt. 28:18
* Bread of Life – “Then Jesus declared, ‘I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.’” John 6:35
* Beloved Son of God – “And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matt. 3:17
* Bridegroom – “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.” Matt. 9:15
* Chief Cornerstone – “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone.” Ps. 118:22
* Deliverer – “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.” 1 Thess.1:10
* Immanuel – “…She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel, which means 'God with us.’” Is. 7:14
* Indescribable Gift – “Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.” 2 Cor. 9:15
* Judge – “…he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.” Acts 10:42
* King of Kings – “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.” Rev. 17:14
* Lamb of God – “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29
* Light of the World – "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12
* Lion of the Tribe of Judah – “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” Rev. 5:5
* Lord of All – “For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Phil. 2:9-11

Here is what Jesus is not: God the Father, even though many Bible versions put that in like in Revelations, and other NT books, to keep the Trinity-gods alive.

* Christ is our Mediator – “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Tim. 2:5

the above would make no sense through Trinity translation: For there is one God, and mediator God between God and men, the man-God Christ Jesus.

What I have noticed over the years is that even those who oppose the Bible, even the ones who claim to be atheist have defended the Trinity Doctrine!? Why is that?

God bless

Arius
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on February 10, 2019, 10:52:44 pm
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord

I know, .. that's what I'm talking about, if Jesus is a god, the Holy Spirit is another god, the Father is yet another, then why not the Angel of the Lord?

When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

All three are Biblically legitimate answers.

If you choose "a" above, then why do Trinitarians misunderstand the verse 28 here in John?

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them.
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,
“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Love you all.


PS
Remember that;

I'm just a fool whose intentions are good
Oh Lord,
Please don't let me be misunderstood!



If you would read the Bible literally, you would find out Jesus Christ has many names.

Blade

I agree, something like 50 names, here is a few,

* Alpha and Omega – “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Rev. 22:13
* Advocate – “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1
* Author and Perfecter of Our Faith – “Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Heb. 12:2
* Authority – “Jesus said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt. 28:18
* Bread of Life – “Then Jesus declared, ‘I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.’” John 6:35
* Beloved Son of God – “And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matt. 3:17
* Bridegroom – “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.” Matt. 9:15
* Chief Cornerstone – “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone.” Ps. 118:22
* Deliverer – “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.” 1 Thess.1:10
* Immanuel – “…She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel, which means 'God with us.’” Is. 7:14
* Indescribable Gift – “Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.” 2 Cor. 9:15
* Judge – “…he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.” Acts 10:42
* King of Kings – “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.” Rev. 17:14
* Lamb of God – “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29
* Light of the World – "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12
* Lion of the Tribe of Judah – “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” Rev. 5:5
* Lord of All – “For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Phil. 2:9-11

Here is what Jesus is not: God the Father, even though many Bible versions put that in like in Revelations, and other NT books, to keep the Trinity-gods alive.

* Christ is our Mediator – “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Tim. 2:5

the above would make no sense through Trinity translation: For there is one God, and mediator God between God and men, the man-God Christ Jesus.

What I have noticed over the years is that even those who oppose the Bible, even the ones who claim to be atheist have defended the Trinity Doctrine!? Why is that?

God bless

Arius

You left out something. No not a name but just as important. 

Isa 22:23..."And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house."

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 12, 2019, 05:57:43 pm
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord

I know, .. that's what I'm talking about, if Jesus is a god, the Holy Spirit is another god, the Father is yet another, then why not the Angel of the Lord?

When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

All three are Biblically legitimate answers.

If you choose "a" above, then why do Trinitarians misunderstand the verse 28 here in John?

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them.
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,
“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Love you all.


PS
Remember that;

I'm just a fool whose intentions are good
Oh Lord,
Please don't let me be misunderstood!



If you would read the Bible literally, you would find out Jesus Christ has many names.

Blade

I agree, something like 50 names, here is a few,

* Alpha and Omega – “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Rev. 22:13
* Advocate – “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1
* Author and Perfecter of Our Faith – “Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Heb. 12:2
* Authority – “Jesus said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt. 28:18
* Bread of Life – “Then Jesus declared, ‘I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.’” John 6:35
* Beloved Son of God – “And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matt. 3:17
* Bridegroom – “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.” Matt. 9:15
* Chief Cornerstone – “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone.” Ps. 118:22
* Deliverer – “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.” 1 Thess.1:10
* Immanuel – “…She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel, which means 'God with us.’” Is. 7:14
* Indescribable Gift – “Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.” 2 Cor. 9:15
* Judge – “…he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.” Acts 10:42
* King of Kings – “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.” Rev. 17:14
* Lamb of God – “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29
* Light of the World – "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12
* Lion of the Tribe of Judah – “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” Rev. 5:5
* Lord of All – “For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Phil. 2:9-11

Here is what Jesus is not: God the Father, even though many Bible versions put that in like in Revelations, and other NT books, to keep the Trinity-gods alive.

* Christ is our Mediator – “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Tim. 2:5

the above would make no sense through Trinity translation: For there is one God, and mediator God between God and men, the man-God Christ Jesus.

What I have noticed over the years is that even those who oppose the Bible, even the ones who claim to be atheist have defended the Trinity Doctrine!? Why is that?

God bless

Arius

You left out something. No not a name but just as important. 

Isa 22:23..."And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house."

Blade

Yes, I guess I did leave  "throne to his Fathers house" out, thank you.
I guess that does make him God.

Can you answer my previous question?

Quote
arius asked - When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up


Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on February 15, 2019, 08:11:06 pm
I had to stop reading when you said that the angel of the Lord is God. That right there takes a bigger leap of faith than the trinity because the words are clear, It was an angel OF the Lord - NOT The Lord

I know, .. that's what I'm talking about, if Jesus is a god, the Holy Spirit is another god, the Father is yet another, then why not the Angel of the Lord?

When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

All three are Biblically legitimate answers.

If you choose "a" above, then why do Trinitarians misunderstand the verse 28 here in John?

John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them.
Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,
“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Love you all.


PS
Remember that;

I'm just a fool whose intentions are good
Oh Lord,
Please don't let me be misunderstood!



If you would read the Bible literally, you would find out Jesus Christ has many names.

Blade

I agree, something like 50 names, here is a few,

* Alpha and Omega – “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Rev. 22:13
* Advocate – “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1
* Author and Perfecter of Our Faith – “Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Heb. 12:2
* Authority – “Jesus said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt. 28:18
* Bread of Life – “Then Jesus declared, ‘I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.’” John 6:35
* Beloved Son of God – “And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matt. 3:17
* Bridegroom – “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.” Matt. 9:15
* Chief Cornerstone – “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone.” Ps. 118:22
* Deliverer – “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.” 1 Thess.1:10
* Immanuel – “…She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel, which means 'God with us.’” Is. 7:14
* Indescribable Gift – “Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.” 2 Cor. 9:15
* Judge – “…he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.” Acts 10:42
* King of Kings – “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.” Rev. 17:14
* Lamb of God – “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29
* Light of the World – "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12
* Lion of the Tribe of Judah – “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” Rev. 5:5
* Lord of All – “For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Phil. 2:9-11

Here is what Jesus is not: God the Father, even though many Bible versions put that in like in Revelations, and other NT books, to keep the Trinity-gods alive.

* Christ is our Mediator – “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Tim. 2:5

the above would make no sense through Trinity translation: For there is one God, and mediator God between God and men, the man-God Christ Jesus.

What I have noticed over the years is that even those who oppose the Bible, even the ones who claim to be atheist have defended the Trinity Doctrine!? Why is that?

God bless

Arius

You left out something. No not a name but just as important. 

Isa 22:23..."And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house."

Blade

Yes, I guess I did leave  "throne to his Fathers house" out, thank you.
I guess that does make him God.

Can you answer my previous question?

Quote
arius asked - When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

A trick question to be sure.

In Exodus 3:2.."And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."

In Exodus 3:3.."And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."

In Exodus 3:4..."And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."

In Exodus 3:6.."Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."

So the answer to you question is all of the above>

Am going to wait and see where you are going to take this.

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 16, 2019, 03:12:08 am

Can you answer my previous question?

Quote
arius asked - When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

Quote
A trick question to be sure.

In Exodus 3:2.."And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."

In Exodus 3:3.."And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."

In Exodus 3:4..."And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."

In Exodus 3:6.."Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."

So the answer to you question is all of the above>

So why isn't the "Bush on Fire that didn't burn up, and the Angel of the Lord are not included in the Trinity-gods as well as all the other Angels/Thunder/Still Small Voice etc. that God was speaking through?

Deuteronomy 4:14 And the Lord directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.
Idolatry Forbidden

15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

Quote
Am going to wait and see where you are going to take this.

Blade[/shadow]

Well, I was hoping that you see that in the Trinity-gods God is a God, the son is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God, and now you say, the two others above are God also?

How about this; remember Jesus saying:

John 14:9  (NIV)
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?


Now imagine Moses up on the Mountain of God as he is trembling and kneeling before the Fiery Angel of the Lord in the Bush that won't burn up asking the Angel: "Can you show me God, so I could tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked to their Heavenly Father God?"

What do you think the Angel of the Lord would tell Moses? Maybe something like this?

"Don’t you know me, Moses, even after I have been talking to you on this mountain for such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen God. So how can you say, ‘Show me the Father so when I go back to Egypt I could tell the Children of Israel I seen Him’!?

Do you see it now my friend?

John 1:14 (NKJV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

… 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has
declared Him.

So just as the Fiery Angel of the Lord declared/revealed God to Moses, the son Word came down, became flesh and declared/revealed God to us.
In both cases it was God speaking, but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is, right?

I mean we hope when people see and talk to us, that they "see God in us", .. right?

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

Take care my friend!

in the spirit of

Arius
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on February 16, 2019, 10:17:56 am

Can you answer my previous question?

Quote
arius asked - When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

Quote
A trick question to be sure.

In Exodus 3:2.."And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."

In Exodus 3:3.."And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."

In Exodus 3:4..."And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."

In Exodus 3:6.."Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."

So the answer to you question is all of the above>

So why isn't the "Bush on Fire that didn't burn up, and the Angel of the Lord are not included in the Trinity-gods as well as all the other Angels/Thunder/Still Small Voice etc. that God was speaking through?

Deuteronomy 4:14 And the Lord directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.
Idolatry Forbidden

15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

Quote
Am going to wait and see where you are going to take this.

Blade[/shadow]

Well, I was hoping that you see that in the Trinity-gods God is a God, the son is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God, and now you say, the two others above are God also?

How about this; remember Jesus saying:

John 14:9  (NIV)
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?


Now imagine Moses up on the Mountain of God as he is trembling and kneeling before the Fiery Angel of the Lord in the Bush that won't burn up asking the Angel: "Can you show me God, so I could tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked to their Heavenly Father God?"

What do you think the Angel of the Lord would tell Moses? Maybe something like this?

"Don’t you know me, Moses, even after I have been talking to you on this mountain for such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen God. So how can you say, ‘Show me the Father so when I go back to Egypt I could tell the Children of Israel I seen Him’!?

Do you see it now my friend?

John 1:14 (NKJV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

… 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has
declared Him.


I mean we hope when people see and talk to us, that they "see God in us", .. right?

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

Take care my friend!

in the spirit of

Arius

Interesting Arius....you are now recognizing Jesus as GOD?  BUT then you try to turn it into ---> three are separate GODs!.

****
you said:" "Can you show me God, so I could tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked to their Heavenly Father God?""

Maybe you could contact those who write the NIV Version of the Bible and sell them the above statement. It would fit right in that book!

****
you said:"So just as the Fiery Angel of the Lord declared/revealed God to Moses, the son Word came down, became flesh and declared/revealed God to us.
In both cases it was God speaking, but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is, right?"


According to you, I must call the "Angel of the Lord" another GOD
 
John 14:7.."If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."


If you will back up 2 verses of John 14, you will see what Jesus is telling you. Then, if you back another verse, you can see what Jesus is telling you, what you have to do to get Salvation?

John 14:6.."Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."


Here again, you are speaking in circles: "In both cases it was God speaking" Yes, in both cases it was GOD speaking. I agree to this!

"but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is, right?""

Wrong!!! Jesus is GOD as is the Holy Spirit.   In many places of the NT, Jesus tells the apostles:

Mat 28:19.."Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"


The bottom line is, you do not believe in GOD, The SON and the HOLY Spirit. Yet, you claim salvation?    Interesting


Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 21, 2019, 03:59:16 pm

Can you answer my previous question?

Quote
arius asked - When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

Quote
A trick question to be sure.

In Exodus 3:2.."And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."

In Exodus 3:3.."And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."

In Exodus 3:4..."And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."

In Exodus 3:6.."Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."

So the answer to you question is all of the above>

So why isn't the "Bush on Fire that didn't burn up, and the Angel of the Lord are not included in the Trinity-gods as well as all the other Angels/Thunder/Still Small Voice etc. that God was speaking through?

Deuteronomy 4:14 And the Lord directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.
Idolatry Forbidden

15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

Quote
Am going to wait and see where you are going to take this.

Blade[/shadow]

Well, I was hoping that you see that in the Trinity-gods God is a God, the son is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God, and now you say, the two others above are God also?

How about this; remember Jesus saying:

John 14:9  (NIV)
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?


Now imagine Moses up on the Mountain of God as he is trembling and kneeling before the Fiery Angel of the Lord in the Bush that won't burn up asking the Angel: "Can you show me God, so I could tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked to their Heavenly Father God?"

What do you think the Angel of the Lord would tell Moses? Maybe something like this?

"Don’t you know me, Moses, even after I have been talking to you on this mountain for such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen God. So how can you say, ‘Show me the Father so when I go back to Egypt I could tell the Children of Israel I seen Him’!?

Do you see it now my friend?

John 1:14 (NKJV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

… 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has
declared Him.


I mean we hope when people see and talk to us, that they "see God in us", .. right?

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

Take care my friend!

in the spirit of

Arius

Interesting Arius....you are now recognizing Jesus as GOD?  BUT then you try to turn it into ---> three are separate GODs!.

****

Whaaa?? You didn't read what I said? If I was to claim Jesus as God, I shown you that I would have to claim the Fiery Angel of the Lord as God also, so why is the Fiery Angel of the Lord not part of the Trinity-gods?

Quote
Blade said - you said:" "Can you show me God, so I could tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked to their Heavenly Father God?""

Maybe you could contact those who write the NIV Version of the Bible and sell them the above statement. It would fit right in that book!

I proposed that question to you, as referring to the trinity-gods, which you would have to add all the other manifestations of God on earth, not just Jesus and the holy Spirit.

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you said:"So just as the Fiery Angel of the Lord declared/revealed God to Moses, the son Word came down, became flesh and declared/revealed God to us.
In both cases it was God speaking, but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is, right?"


According to you, I must call the "Angel of the Lord" another GOD
 
John 14:7.."If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."


If you will back up 2 verses of John 14, you will see what Jesus is telling you. Then, if you back another verse, you can see what Jesus is telling you, what you have to do to get Salvation?

So how will you receive salvation by making Jesus into a sun-god, and worship three gods instead of One?
Jesus said: "No one comes to the Father except by/through me", .. he did not say the "me" was God, never.

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John 14:6.."Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Here again, you are speaking in circles: "In both cases it was God speaking" Yes, in both cases it was GOD speaking. I agree to this!

.. so was the Angel of Fire that appeared to Moses God also? If you make Jesus God, the Holy Spirit God, then why not the Angel of Fire?

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"but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is, right?""

Wrong!!! Jesus is GOD as is the Holy Spirit.   In many places of the NT, Jesus tells the apostles:

Mat 28:19.."Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Sorry, that's a Trinity baptism over babies before they are able to accept, or refuse anything. For us Believers there is only One Baptism, .. unless someone will go as far as claiming they were baptized in Arius.


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The bottom line is, you do not believe in GOD, The SON and the HOLY Spirit. Yet, you claim salvation?    Interesting


Blade

I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.

You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".

Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism, this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?

http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNdsQHUEI8


Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:

Arius.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on February 22, 2019, 08:19:57 pm

Can you answer my previous question?

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arius asked - When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or did he come before God Himself?

a) Moses spoke to God
b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up

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A trick question to be sure.

In Exodus 3:2.."And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."

In Exodus 3:3.."And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."

In Exodus 3:4..."And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."

In Exodus 3:6.."Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."

So the answer to you question is all of the above>

So why isn't the "Bush on Fire that didn't burn up, and the Angel of the Lord are not included in the Trinity-gods as well as all the other Angels/Thunder/Still Small Voice etc. that God was speaking through?

Deuteronomy 4:14 And the Lord directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.
Idolatry Forbidden

15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

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Am going to wait and see where you are going to take this.

Blade[/shadow]

Well, I was hoping that you see that in the Trinity-gods God is a God, the son is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God, and now you say, the two others above are God also?

How about this; remember Jesus saying:

John 14:9  (NIV)
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?


Now imagine Moses up on the Mountain of God as he is trembling and kneeling before the Fiery Angel of the Lord in the Bush that won't burn up asking the Angel: "Can you show me God, so I could tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked to their Heavenly Father God?"

What do you think the Angel of the Lord would tell Moses? Maybe something like this?

"Don’t you know me, Moses, even after I have been talking to you on this mountain for such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen God. So how can you say, ‘Show me the Father so when I go back to Egypt I could tell the Children of Israel I seen Him’!?

Do you see it now my friend?

John 1:14 (NKJV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

… 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has
declared Him.


I mean we hope when people see and talk to us, that they "see God in us", .. right?

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

Take care my friend!

in the spirit of

Arius

Interesting Arius....you are now recognizing Jesus as GOD?  BUT then you try to turn it into ---> three are separate GODs!.

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Whaaa?? You didn't read what I said? If I was to claim Jesus as God, I shown you that I would have to claim the Fiery Angel of the Lord as God also, so why is the Fiery Angel of the Lord not part of the Trinity-gods?

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Blade said - you said:" "Can you show me God, so I could tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked to their Heavenly Father God?""

Maybe you could contact those who write the NIV Version of the Bible and sell them the above statement. It would fit right in that book!

I proposed that question to you, as referring to the trinity-gods, which you would have to add all the other manifestations of God on earth, not just Jesus and the holy Spirit.

Quote
****
you said:"So just as the Fiery Angel of the Lord declared/revealed God to Moses, the son Word came down, became flesh and declared/revealed God to us.
In both cases it was God speaking, but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is, right?"


According to you, I must call the "Angel of the Lord" another GOD
 
John 14:7.."If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."


If you will back up 2 verses of John 14, you will see what Jesus is telling you. Then, if you back another verse, you can see what Jesus is telling you, what you have to do to get Salvation?

So how will you receive salvation by making Jesus into a sun-god, and worship three gods instead of One?
Jesus said: "No one comes to the Father except by/through me", .. he did not say the "me" was God, never.

Quote
John 14:6.."Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Here again, you are speaking in circles: "In both cases it was God speaking" Yes, in both cases it was GOD speaking. I agree to this!

.. so was the Angel of Fire that appeared to Moses God also? If you make Jesus God, the Holy Spirit God, then why not the Angel of Fire?

Quote
"but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is, right?""

Wrong!!! Jesus is GOD as is the Holy Spirit.   In many places of the NT, Jesus tells the apostles:

Mat 28:19.."Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Sorry, that's a Trinity baptism over babies before they are able to accept, or refuse anything. For us Believers there is only One Baptism, .. unless someone will go as far as claiming they were baptized in Arius.


Quote
The bottom line is, you do not believe in GOD, The SON and the HOLY Spirit. Yet, you claim salvation?    Interesting


Blade

I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.

You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".

Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism, this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?

http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNdsQHUEI8


Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:

Arius.



In  1 TIM 3:16.(KJV)..."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh. (Jesus is God and God is Jesus)

Blade

Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on February 27, 2019, 03:05:54 pm
……………

I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.

You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".

Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism, this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?

http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNdsQHUEI8

Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:

Arius.



In  1 TIM 3:16.(KJV)..."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh. (Jesus is God and God is Jesus)

Blade



My friend, you said: Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh.

I agree, and never denied that.

Manifest
past tense: manifested; past participle: manifested
display or show (a quality or feeling) by one's acts or appearance; demonstrate.
"Jesus manifested/demonstrated/revealed/declared signs of his Father"
synonyms:
display, show, exhibit, demonstrate, betray, present, evince, reveal, indicate, make plain, express, declare

then you put in quote: (Jesus is God and God is Jesus)
Which is what I'm waiting for you to show Scripturally, .. right? Otherwise we could, like the J.W's did with "Gods-name", or how the Mormons did included the divinations of Mormo, Christians too can re-write the whole Bible accord to the Trinity. Here would be a few examples starting with Mathew 1

Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV)
1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ God, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

.. 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ God was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of God
(Holy Ghost whom the trinity claims is also God).

John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word God, and the Word God was with God, and the Word God was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
.. 14 And the Word God was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son God, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


The rest is the Trinity Translation according to the gentile nation Rome, as approved by the Holiest of Fathers the Pope would go something like this:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten God, that whosoever believeth in God should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not Himself into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through God might be saved.
18 He that believeth on God is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten God of God.


Colossians 1:12 giving thanks to the Father-God who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the God of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through Gods blood, the forgiveness of sins. (for God shed His blood and died)
15 God is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by God all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through God and for God.

19 For it pleased God that in God all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by God to reconcile all things to Himself, by God, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of Gods cross.



Now these next verses loose the core message through the Trinity:

Colossians 2:4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in God.
6 As you therefore have received God the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in God and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to God. 9 For in God dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in God, who is the head of all principality and power.

Colossians 3:If then you were raised with God, seek those things which are above, where God is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with God in God. 4 When God who is our life appears, then you also will appear with God in glory.
.. 17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord God, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.


Don't you see, that if Jesus is God, then you make God turn into flesh/sin for us, shed His blood and died by the hands of the Romans who now call themselves Christians. Thus the Romans not only killed Jesus the son of God, but God Himself.
So with God dead, they can fill the gap with stories which they call scientific theories like the Big Bang and Evolution, creating a new Heaven (space full of planets) and a new earth (a spinning, evolving paper-globe) with apes created in their Gods image.

I pray to the Lord that you would see that this is blasphemy, all of it!

Arius
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on February 27, 2019, 10:51:29 pm
……………

I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.

You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".

Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism, this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?

http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNdsQHUEI8

Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:

Arius.



In  1 TIM 3:16.(KJV)..."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh. (Jesus is God and God is Jesus)

Blade



My friend, you said: Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh.

I agree, and never denied that.

Manifest
past tense: manifested; past participle: manifested
display or show (a quality or feeling) by one's acts or appearance; demonstrate.
"Jesus manifested/demonstrated/revealed/declared signs of his Father"
synonyms:
display, show, exhibit, demonstrate, betray, present, evince, reveal, indicate, make plain, express, declare

then you put in quote: (Jesus is God and God is Jesus)
Which is what I'm waiting for you to show Scripturally, .. right? Otherwise we could, like the J.W's did with "Gods-name", or how the Mormons did included the divinations of Mormo, Christians too can re-write the whole Bible accord to the Trinity. Here would be a few examples starting with Mathew 1

Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV)
1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ God, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

.. 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ God was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of God
(Holy Ghost whom the trinity claims is also God).

John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word God, and the Word God was with God, and the Word God was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
.. 14 And the Word God was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son God, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


The rest is the Trinity Translation according to the gentile nation Rome, as approved by the Holiest of Fathers the Pope would go something like this:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten God, that whosoever believeth in God should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not Himself into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through God might be saved.
18 He that believeth on God is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten God of God.


Colossians 1:12 giving thanks to the Father-God who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the God of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through Gods blood, the forgiveness of sins. (for God shed His blood and died)
15 God is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by God all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through God and for God.

19 For it pleased God that in God all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by God to reconcile all things to Himself, by God, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of Gods cross.



Now these next verses loose the core message through the Trinity:

Colossians 2:4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in God.
6 As you therefore have received God the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in God and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to God. 9 For in God dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in God, who is the head of all principality and power.

Colossians 3:If then you were raised with God, seek those things which are above, where God is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with God in God. 4 When God who is our life appears, then you also will appear with God in glory.
.. 17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord God, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.


Don't you see, that if Jesus is God, then you make God turn into flesh/sin for us, shed His blood and died by the hands of the Romans who now call themselves Christians. Thus the Romans not only killed Jesus the son of God, but God Himself.
So with God dead, they can fill the gap with stories which they call scientific theories like the Big Bang and Evolution, creating a new Heaven (space full of planets) and a new earth (a spinning, evolving paper-globe) with apes created in their Gods image.

I pray to the Lord that you would see that this is blasphemy, all of it!

Arius

Arius, I gave you one scripture and you wanted more for you did not believe the scriptures I gave you. Yes,  GOD is Jesus and Jesus is GOD.

Your Blasphemy: (God's son WORD)... is So SAD!

Your said:" Thus the Romans not only killed Jesus the son of God, but God Himself."

Jesus was a MAN at the time of His Crucifixion. "God was manifest in the Flesh".

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest2 on February 28, 2019, 03:15:58 pm
You shouldn't cut that out of context, Blade.
The context is the mystery of godliness.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on February 28, 2019, 08:13:33 pm
You shouldn't cut that out of context, Blade.
The context is the mystery of godliness.

I agree, 1Mind1Spirit, Have no excuse fro not including it as well. Glad you said something about it..

Thanks my friend

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on March 12, 2019, 06:04:33 am
……………

I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.

You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".

Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism, this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?

http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNdsQHUEI8

Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:

Arius.



In  1 TIM 3:16.(KJV)..."And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh. (Jesus is God and God is Jesus)

Blade



My friend, you said: Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh.

I agree, and never denied that.

Manifest
past tense: manifested; past participle: manifested
display or show (a quality or feeling) by one's acts or appearance; demonstrate.
"Jesus manifested/demonstrated/revealed/declared signs of his Father"
synonyms:
display, show, exhibit, demonstrate, betray, present, evince, reveal, indicate, make plain, express, declare

then you put in quote: (Jesus is God and God is Jesus)
Which is what I'm waiting for you to show Scripturally, .. right? Otherwise we could, like the J.W's did with "Gods-name", or how the Mormons did included the divinations of Mormo, Christians too can re-write the whole Bible accord to the Trinity. Here would be a few examples starting with Mathew 1

Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV)
1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ God, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

.. 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ God was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of God
(Holy Ghost whom the trinity claims is also God).

John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word God, and the Word God was with God, and the Word God was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
.. 14 And the Word God was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son God, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


The rest is the Trinity Translation according to the gentile nation Rome, as approved by the Holiest of Fathers the Pope would go something like this:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten God, that whosoever believeth in God should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not Himself into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through God might be saved.
18 He that believeth on God is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten God of God.


Colossians 1:12 giving thanks to the Father-God who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the God of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through Gods blood, the forgiveness of sins. (for God shed His blood and died)
15 God is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by God all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through God and for God.

19 For it pleased God that in God all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by God to reconcile all things to Himself, by God, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of Gods cross.



Now these next verses loose the core message through the Trinity:

Colossians 2:4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in God.
6 As you therefore have received God the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in God and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to God. 9 For in God dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in God, who is the head of all principality and power.

Colossians 3:If then you were raised with God, seek those things which are above, where God is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with God in God. 4 When God who is our life appears, then you also will appear with God in glory.
.. 17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord God, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.


Don't you see, that if Jesus is God, then you make God turn into flesh/sin for us, shed His blood and died by the hands of the Romans who now call themselves Christians. Thus the Romans not only killed Jesus the son of God, but God Himself.
So with God dead, they can fill the gap with stories which they call scientific theories like the Big Bang and Evolution, creating a new Heaven (space full of planets) and a new earth (a spinning, evolving paper-globe) with apes created in their Gods image.

I pray to the Lord that you would see that this is blasphemy, all of it!

Arius

Arius, I gave you one scripture and you wanted more for you did not believe the scriptures I gave you. Yes,  GOD is Jesus and Jesus is GOD.

Your Blasphemy: (God's son WORD)... is So SAD!

Your said:" Thus the Romans not only killed Jesus the son of God, but God Himself."

Jesus was a MAN at the time of His Crucifixion. "God was manifest in the Flesh".

Blade

Now you say that our Infinite and Eternal God can become all flesh and actually die? It's because how over the history the word Infinite was changed into a "size", instead of "I Am".
Look:

Infinite
adjective
1. limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate.
synonyms:
boundless, unbounded, unlimited, limitless, without limit, without end, never-ending

Once we think of God/Infinite as space, we loose our concept of God. Space has to have borders to be called "space"
How much space do you have left in your car, .. etc.

Think of Infinite as your Mind, for our mind/spirit is of God, it too is Infinite. You cannot fill your mind with things, never, there will always be room for more. You could think of infinite number of imaginary expanding universes and since our mind has no borders, it remains infinite.

Now think of a car, it's in your mind, and with your spirit you can check this car out, you can re-design it, enlarge it to any size, this proves that our mind is conscious. That "we exist" and it's separate of our limited body.

This is why God told Moses as to who He was: "I Am", because He Is The Conscious Infinite and Eternal Mind/Spirit
We are In God, meticulously created just like an engineer creates a car, or whatever, in his mind, and then, manifests it through Gods creation of materials we find in our little world. But God has to create every material atom by atom, design it and retain that info so it won't change. This is what we make inventions out of, the materials that God has created for us. These are set by rules
and laws. That's what reality is, that's what the physical universe, Heaven and earth and everything in it is made of, rules ans laws created by our Creator God.

Now imagine yourself, your spirit/mind without your body, you would be just spirit. You will still exist in God as information, only without a body, everything about you is retained in God/Spirit/Mind, .. who you are, and everything you have ever done or thought of is there in God/Infinite.
Now God will give us New bodies for our mind/spirit to possess, and a new place to dwell.

You see, once we understand God, we understand how silly it is to say God/Infinite/Mind can become flesh and die. Impossible.
But a created being can give up eternity, jump into time here on earth, ..  and age, and even be killed, which is really the ruining of the body beyond our mind/spirit ability to control it, like a wrecked car, nothing works on it anymore, then our spirit/mind just leaves it, since it's useless.


Arius
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: Firestarter on March 21, 2019, 10:31:18 am
Seek the Lord my friend, but just so you know that "there are many false Christs out there", .. many denominations yelling: "He's here, .. no, he is over there!"
Read the Bible, if there is anything in there (not what some God hater atheist, or Religious Priest who want's to get you in his church told you) that you don't understand, hey, I'm here, I can maybe explain!? If not me, there is a lot of good info out there, all you have to do is look, seek, knock!
Why would I restrict myself to one book, doctrine?!?

I’m more curious in how a man “thinketh” than religion. I believe that a man that thinks for himself doesn’t need any religious scripture. I also think that all organised religion is evil, mind control - per definition.
I DO believe that the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth can be used as an antidote to mind control...

When I read the Quran, I was surprised how similar it was to the Bible – very similar to the Tanach (Old Testament).
My interpretation of the Quran is that it is no more or less than Mohammed’s interpretation of the Bible. This doesn’t make him a prophet of course, and he was lying when he told his gullible followers that it was told to him by the archangle Gabriel.

Reading some of your posts on the Trinity made me realise that there is no Trinity in the Quran.
I’m curious what you “thinketh” about Islam.

The following excerpts from the Quran are against the Trinity doctrine of the New Testament.

— Sura 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 171[3]
Quote
O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

— Sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 72-75[4]
Quote
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
   
— Sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 116-118[5]
Quote
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on March 21, 2019, 12:44:07 pm
@Firestarter - I don't know where that crap you posted came from and I don't want to. That's apparently another one of many problems you have. You reject the Bible for some reason and instead you read and post fiction.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: Firestarter on March 22, 2019, 10:07:55 am
@Firestarter - I don't know where that crap you posted came from and I don't want to. That's apparently another one of many problems you have. You reject the Bible for some reason and instead you read and post fiction.
There you go again accusing me of making fake posts!
Those are quotes from the Quran that you call fake...

You once asked me for assistance in getting you some cannabis seeds. This confirmed to me that you regularly smoke a joint. Possibly every single day, even posting when you´re stoned...
This also confirms the "quality" of your posts, as you apparently live in a dreamworld unable to see the difference between truth or fiction.

When I replied to a post of yours calling mine "fake", I replied that you should keep away from the drugs, because you'll never find the truth if you numb your brain like that.
In reply you blatantly denied that you use drugs at all!

You never answered my following post in which I explained why I think you use drugs on a regular basis, to which you never answered.

I´ve just tried to find back these posts of yours, but couldn´t. You didn´t delete your posts did you?
If you did you´re an even worse liar than the Letsrollforums scum!

Good luck with numbing your brain. You probably also get drunk more than once a week.
I advise you to stop destroying your mind. I don´t think that you´re a bad person at all, but the drugs makes you immune from reality and an easy victim of mind control.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on March 22, 2019, 10:16:36 am
@Firestarter - I don't know where that crap you posted came from and I don't want to. That's apparently another one of many problems you have. You reject the Bible for some reason and instead you read and post fiction.
There you go again accusing me of making fake posts!
Those are quotes from the Quran that you call fake...

You once asked me for assistance in getting you some cannabis seeds. This confirmed to me that you regularly smoke a joint. Possibly every single day, even posting when you´re stoned...
This also confirms the "quality" of your posts, as you apparently live in a dreamworld unable to see the difference between truth or fiction.

When I replied to a post of yours calling mine "fake", I replied that you should keep away from the drugs, because you'll never find the truth if you numb your brain like that.
In reply you blatantly denied that you use drugs at all!

You never answered my following post in which I explained why I think you use drugs on a regular basis, to which you never answered.

I´ve just tried to find back these posts of yours, but couldn´t. You didn´t delete your posts did you?
If you did you´re even worse liar than the Letsrollforums scum!

Good luck with numbing your brain. You probably also get drunk more than once a week.
I advise you to stop destroying your mind. I don´t think that you´re a bad person at all, but the drugs makes you immune from reality and an easy victim of mind control.
You quote from a false gospel, simple as that. I smoke pot for medical reasons and not joints. I don't drink or do other drugs so stop trying to paint a picture that you're more credible by attacking my character. If I deleted a post I had a reason but I don't think I did because I remember telling you this **** about the pot before. Don't worry about my mind or what I do, worry about your **** up beliefs.

25 minutes - Listen to it Firestarter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqoReAY-np0
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest43 on March 22, 2019, 07:44:38 pm
Seek the Lord my friend, but just so you know that "there are many false Christs out there", .. many denominations yelling: "He's here, .. no, he is over there!"
Read the Bible, if there is anything in there (not what some God hater atheist, or Religious Priest who want's to get you in his church told you) that you don't understand, hey, I'm here, I can maybe explain!? If not me, there is a lot of good info out there, all you have to do is look, seek, knock!

Why would I restrict myself to one book, doctrine?!?

You and I are more alike in our theology than you think, .. for me also, it was when my atheist coworker, then later on Best friend introduced me to the New Age ideologies. It was only then when I was able to start thinking for myself.

I got into the New Age (70's - 90's) pretty heavy. I'm talking about having private sessions with famous New Age Authors at their home and stuff like that. It is about 6 years of going in and out of that (and spending some months alone in the wilderness surviving/relaxing/contemplating) is when I returned back to the 12 hour a day grind/work, and picking up the Bible again, is when I realized something strange? It was as if this was not the Bible I was reading all my life!?
I got a few other versions just to make sure, and what do you know, it Was the same Bible, only I was reading it with an open mind. God does work in mysterious ways. This is why He allows all these other Religious ideologies to flourish so we would not be stuck in One Religious Ideology of Him, like I realized Christianity was: a Mental Trap!

I found out that the name "Christian" was a derogatory word used to mock the Early Believers, and that the actual Christian Religion was invented by the Gentiles, and not by Gods Chosen Prophets, or Christs chosen Apostles. It was by the Romans, who hated the Jews and their "One God" (like the Arabs who still hold on to the One God of Abraham, Isaak and Jacob) and took the Holy writings of both the OT and the NT books/letters and reinterpreted their version of our Creator God, and His Ten Commandments allowing for idol worship. Our Infinite and Eternal "I Am" they turned into their Trinity-gods.
1. sun-god,
2. the holy father-god (the Pope)
3. and the spirit-god which is their queen of heaven now called Mary, which they pray to as the "Mother of All gods".

Quote from: Firestarter
]I’m more curious in how a man “thinketh” than religion. I believe that a man that thinks for himself doesn’t need any religious scripture.

Yes, .. Yes my friend, but just as for me, different Religious ideologies can open your mind too, as long as you don't get stuck in one, like I and about 2.5 Billion others have been stuck in Christianity. The same with the Arabs, now they are stuck in Islam and forgot who their One True God even was?

Did you know that the same Romans that invented the Christian Religion, also invented the Koran, where Islam comes from? That's why the similarities. Only the Arabs refused the plural-gods ideology, so they stayed with One God, the same One God of their brothers, from the same father Abraham, ..  the Jews.

The Bible is the Only Book that is Not Religious Scripture, but is the History of man, and how man kept turning from God and inventing their own Organized Religions and the gods along with them. This is why I encourage everyone to Go back and read the Bible outside of their Religious indoctrinations, .. read it as if for the very first time!
But of course, you will have to get your mind ready for something like that, and you are on the right track my friend, don't let anyone take you off this narrow path that few are willing to travel on.
If your heart truly is on Finding the right answers, the true desire to see the "Big Picture" to Know God and who you really are, then don't join in any of todays Religions, and get stuck back in the box.
Keep searching my friend!!!

Quote from: Firestarter
I also think that all organised religion is evil, mind control - per definition.
I DO believe that the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth can be used as an antidote to mind control...

You and me both buddy, and I agree 100% that the unadulterated doses of Jesus of Nazareth will cure any mind control.

Quote from: Firestarter
When I read the Quran, I was surprised how similar it was to the Bible – very similar to the Tanach (Old Testament).
My interpretation of the Quran is that it is no more or less than Mohammed’s interpretation of the Bible. This doesn’t make him a prophet of course, and he was lying when he told his gullible followers that it was told to him by the archangle Gabriel.

Yes, the Quran is not much different than the Book of Mormon, or reading the Bible from a Christian-perspective. These Religions use the Bible as sheepskin to hide the real wolf under it. We agree brother, just keep searching.

Quote from: Firestarter
Reading some of your posts on the Trinity made me realise that there is no Trinity in the Quran.
I’m curious what you “thinketh” about Islam.

Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and the millions of takeoffs from them are created by Lucifer the Devil to keep us away from the Truth. They all offer other gods, like Hindu, they offer millions of gods, Buddhists offer "you" as the god self, and then there are the mixture of all this. It's just like the internet; It's there which can either keep people occupied with religion, or we can use it as information to seek out and find our One True and Only Creator.
If you listen carefully, many Religious leaders admit Jesus is the only one that did not come to organize a Religion. Matter of fact, He came to dissolve all Religions and their gods, and was here to "reveal God" to us all, which is why he was so against the Jews and their tainted Religion.
He called them "a synagogue of Satan, children of the devil"

Quote
The following excerpts from the Quran are against the Trinity doctrine of the New Testament.

— Sura 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 171[3]
Quote
O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

— Sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 72-75[4]
Quote
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
   
— Sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 116-118[5]
Quote
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

Yes, the Arabs knew about Arianism Arius was the last of the Mohicans who kept away from Christianity and their perverted interpretation of God. The RCC has burnt most of Arius's works he wrote against their Trinity, and then after his death/murder they changed History to say he was a Christian, just as they do with the Apostles and even Jesus, make him as if he was a Christian too, .. lol

God bless you, keep on searching.

Arius
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: guest8 on April 15, 2019, 09:16:27 pm
Seek the Lord my friend, but just so you know that "there are many false Christs out there", .. many denominations yelling: "He's here, .. no, he is over there!"
Read the Bible, if there is anything in there (not what some God hater atheist, or Religious Priest who want's to get you in his church told you) that you don't understand, hey, I'm here, I can maybe explain!? If not me, there is a lot of good info out there, all you have to do is look, seek, knock!

Why would I restrict myself to one book, doctrine?!?

You and I are more alike in our theology than you think, .. for me also, it was when my atheist coworker, then later on Best friend introduced me to the New Age ideologies. It was only then when I was able to start thinking for myself.

I got into the New Age (70's - 90's) pretty heavy. I'm talking about having private sessions with famous New Age Authors at their home and stuff like that. It is about 6 years of going in and out of that (and spending some months alone in the wilderness surviving/relaxing/contemplating) is when I returned back to the 12 hour a day grind/work, and picking up the Bible again, is when I realized something strange? It was as if this was not the Bible I was reading all my life!?
I got a few other versions just to make sure, and what do you know, it Was the same Bible, only I was reading it with an open mind. God does work in mysterious ways. This is why He allows all these other Religious ideologies to flourish so we would not be stuck in One Religious Ideology of Him, like I realized Christianity was: a Mental Trap!

I found out that the name "Christian" was a derogatory word used to mock the Early Believers, and that the actual Christian Religion was invented by the Gentiles, and not by Gods Chosen Prophets, or Christs chosen Apostles. It was by the Romans, who hated the Jews and their "One God" (like the Arabs who still hold on to the One God of Abraham, Isaak and Jacob) and took the Holy writings of both the OT and the NT books/letters and reinterpreted their version of our Creator God, and His Ten Commandments allowing for idol worship. Our Infinite and Eternal "I Am" they turned into their Trinity-gods.
1. sun-god,
2. the holy father-god (the Pope)
3. and the spirit-god which is their queen of heaven now called Mary, which they pray to as the "Mother of All gods".

Quote from: Firestarter
]I’m more curious in how a man “thinketh” than religion. I believe that a man that thinks for himself doesn’t need any religious scripture.

Yes, .. Yes my friend, but just as for me, different Religious ideologies can open your mind too, as long as you don't get stuck in one, like I and about 2.5 Billion others have been stuck in Christianity. The same with the Arabs, now they are stuck in Islam and forgot who their One True God even was?

Did you know that the same Romans that invented the Christian Religion, also invented the Koran, where Islam comes from? That's why the similarities. Only the Arabs refused the plural-gods ideology, so they stayed with One God, the same One God of their brothers, from the same father Abraham, ..  the Jews.

The Bible is the Only Book that is Not Religious Scripture, but is the History of man, and how man kept turning from God and inventing their own Organized Religions and the gods along with them. This is why I encourage everyone to Go back and read the Bible outside of their Religious indoctrinations, .. read it as if for the very first time!
But of course, you will have to get your mind ready for something like that, and you are on the right track my friend, don't let anyone take you off this narrow path that few are willing to travel on.
If your heart truly is on Finding the right answers, the true desire to see the "Big Picture" to Know God and who you really are, then don't join in any of todays Religions, and get stuck back in the box.
Keep searching my friend!!!

Quote from: Firestarter
I also think that all organised religion is evil, mind control - per definition.
I DO believe that the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth can be used as an antidote to mind control...

You and me both buddy, and I agree 100% that the unadulterated doses of Jesus of Nazareth will cure any mind control.

Quote from: Firestarter
When I read the Quran, I was surprised how similar it was to the Bible – very similar to the Tanach (Old Testament).
My interpretation of the Quran is that it is no more or less than Mohammed’s interpretation of the Bible. This doesn’t make him a prophet of course, and he was lying when he told his gullible followers that it was told to him by the archangle Gabriel.

Yes, the Quran is not much different than the Book of Mormon, or reading the Bible from a Christian-perspective. These Religions use the Bible as sheepskin to hide the real wolf under it. We agree brother, just keep searching.

Quote from: Firestarter
Reading some of your posts on the Trinity made me realise that there is no Trinity in the Quran.
I’m curious what you “thinketh” about Islam.

Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and the millions of takeoffs from them are created by Lucifer the Devil to keep us away from the Truth. They all offer other gods, like Hindu, they offer millions of gods, Buddhists offer "you" as the god self, and then there are the mixture of all this. It's just like the internet; It's there which can either keep people occupied with religion, or we can use it as information to seek out and find our One True and Only Creator.
If you listen carefully, many Religious leaders admit Jesus is the only one that did not come to organize a Religion. Matter of fact, He came to dissolve all Religions and their gods, and was here to "reveal God" to us all, which is why he was so against the Jews and their tainted Religion.
He called them "a synagogue of Satan, children of the devil"

Quote
The following excerpts from the Quran are against the Trinity doctrine of the New Testament.

— Sura 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 171[3]
Quote
O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

— Sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 72-75[4]
Quote
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
   
— Sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 116-118[5]
Quote
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

Yes, the Arabs knew about Arianism Arius was the last of the Mohicans who kept away from Christianity and their perverted interpretation of God. The RCC has burnt most of Arius's works he wrote against their Trinity, and then after his death/murder they changed History to say he was a Christian, just as they do with the Apostles and even Jesus, make him as if he was a Christian too, .. lol

God bless you, keep on searching.

Arius
You have got to separate Christians from the RCC

Blade
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on June 12, 2019, 04:45:25 am
I concur, Blade.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on June 29, 2019, 11:16:37 am
I concur, Blade.
Absolutely.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on July 11, 2019, 05:53:25 am
I concur, Blade.
Absolutely.
Indeed.
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on August 04, 2020, 01:35:09 pm
yes
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on September 21, 2020, 03:52:39 pm
yes
Good opening post video
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on October 11, 2020, 10:12:27 am
yes
Good opening post video
:o
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on October 14, 2020, 03:58:59 pm
yes
Good opening post video
:o
;D
Title: Re: As A Man Thinketh...
Post by: patrick jane on October 16, 2020, 08:50:15 am
yes
Good opening post video
:o
;D
:o
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Post by: guest73 on October 18, 2020, 08:48:05 am
yes
Good opening post video
:o
;D
:o
So he is