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Title: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 18, 2019, 11:21:58 am
This could very well be the only “Christian” thread I ever start on this forum.


When I look at religion, I’m not very interested in:
Who or what created our world and what happens to us when we die.
And aspects of ritual or ceremony, including clothes, should have nothing to do with religion.

In my opinion the most important aspect a religion could “teach” us are morals.
A problem with morals is that people often use these to condemn other, while for some reason the same people are more lenient on themselves.

I think that one of biggest problems in our world is hypocrisy (of course very political correct!).
The following are my favourite quotes from the Bible and deal with “hypocrites” and “hypocrisy”. I have the impression that our current day words “hypocrites” and “hypocrisy” are more narrow than what is described in the following parts of the New Testament.


Matthew 23:14-33
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


Matthew 6:1-6
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Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.


Matthew 15:7-11
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Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

 
Luke 6:41-45
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And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 20, 2019, 11:33:57 am
Here is some more information on hypocrites, hypocrisy (courtesy of Notmartha of Lawfulpath.com)


BIBLE STUDIES

Vincent's New Testament Word Studies (1891), vol. I, p. 150.
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Hypocrites (ὑποκριταί)
From ὑποκρίνω, to separate gradually; so of separating the truth from a mass of falsehood, and thence to subject to inquiry, and, as a result of this, to expound or interpret what is elicited. Then, to reply to inquiry, and so to answer on the stage, to speak in dialogue, to act. From this the transition is easy to assuming, feigning, playing a part. The hypocrite is, therefore, etymologically, an actor.

Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. William Edwy Vine,
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5272. HUPOKRISIS. Hypocrisy. Primarily denotes 'a reply, an answer' (akin to hupokrinomai, 'to answer'); then, 'play-acting,' as the actors spoke in dialogue; hence, 'pretence, hypocrisy'; it is translated 'hypocrisy' in Matt. 23:28; Mark 12:15; Luke 12:1; 1 Tim. 4:2; the plural in 1 Pet. 2:1. For Gal. 2:13 and anupokritos, "without hypocrisy," in Jas. 3:17, see DISSIMULATION."

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5273 HUPOKRITES. Hypocrite. Corresponding to the above, primarily denotes 'one who answers'; then, 'a stage-actor'; it was a custom for Greek and Roman actors to speak in large masks with mechanical devices for augmenting the force of the voice; hence the word became used metaphorically of 'a dissembler, a hypocrite.' It is found only in the Synoptists, and always used by the Lord, fifteen times in Matthew; elsewhere, Mark 7:6; Luke 6:42; 11:44 (in some mss.); 12:56; 13:15


Easton's Bible Dictionary, Matthew George Easton, 1897
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Hypocrite
One who puts on a mask and feigns himself to be what he is not; a dissembler in religion. Our Lord severely rebuked the scribes and Pharisees for their hypocrisy (Mat 6:2, 5, 16). "The hypocrite's hope shall perish" (Job 8:13). The Hebrew word here rendered "hypocrite" rather means the "godless" or "profane," as it is rendered in Jer 23:11, i.e., polluted with crimes.


The Dominion of Providence over the Passions of Men, A Sermon by John Witherspoon
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Many from a real or pretended fear of the imputation of hypocrisy, banish from their conversation and carriage every appearance of respect and submission to the Living God. What a weakness and meanness of spirit does it discover for a man to be ashamed in the presence of his fellow sinners, to profess that reverence to Almighty God which he inwardly feels? The truth is, he makes himself truly liable to the accusation which he means to avoid. It is as genuine and perhaps a more culpable hypocrisy to appear to have less religion than you really have, than to appear to have more. This false shame is a more extensive evil than is commonly apprehended. We contribute constantly, though insensibly, to form each others character and manners; and therefore, the usefulness of a strictly holy and conscientious deportment is not confined to the possessor, but spreads its happy influence to all that are within its reach. I need scarcely add, that in proportion as men are distinguished by understanding, literature, age, rank, office, wealth, or any other circumstance, their example will be useful on the one hand, or pernicious on the other.


Matthew Henry's Commentary On the Whole Bible, (1706) Vol. 5, pp.65 and 66.
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We must take heed of hypocrisy and worldlymindedness in choosing the master we serve. v. 24. No man can serve two masters. Serving two masters is contrary to the single eye; for the eye will be to the master's hand. Ps. 123:1, 2.
Our Lord Jesus here exposes the cheat which those put upon their own souls, who think to divide between God and the world, to have a treasure on earth, and a treasure in Heaven too, to please God and please men too. Why not? says the hypocrite; it is good to have two strings to one's bow.
They hope to make their religion serve their secular interest, and so turn to account both ways. The pretending mother was for dividing the child; the Samaritans will compound between God and idols. No, says Christ, this will not do; it is but a supposition that gain is godliness, 1 Tim. 6:5.


Rev. Jeremy Taylor (1647)
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Force in matters of opinion can do no good, but is very apt to do hurt; for no man can change his opinion when he will, or be satisfied in his reason that his opinion is false because discountenanced. If a man could change his opinion when he lists, he might cure many inconveniences of his life: all his fears and his sorrows would soon disband, if he would but alter his opinion, whereby he is persuaded that such an accident that afflicts him is an evil, and such an object formidable; let him but believe himself impregnable, or that he receives a benefit when he is plundered, disgraced, imprisoned, condemned, and afflicted, neither his sleeps need to be disturbed, nor his quietness discomposed. But if a man cannot change his opinion when he lists, nor ever does heartily or resolutely but when he cannot do otherwise, then to use force may make him an hypocrite but never to be right believer; and so, instead of erecting a trophy to God and true religion, we build a monument for the devil.


Herald of Gospel Liberty,  Elias Smith, January 19, 1810
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As truth is no private man's property, and all Christians are under obligations to propagate it; I do also declare that every Christian has a right to publish and vindicate what he believes is contained in the Scriptures; to speak and write against all corruption of the word, either in doctrine or practice; and to expose the errors of good men, and the wickedness, oppression, and hypocrisy of ungodly men; that every Christian has not only a right, but is commanded to separate from such professors whose doctrine and worship are contrary to what he finds recorded in the Scriptures; and that he has a right to enjoy without disturbance, oppression, or disgrace, or any kind of punishment, civil or ecclesiastical, the liberty of serving God, with any other company of Christians, as he shall judge most expedient and useful to him.



DEFINITIONS

Webster’s Dictionary of the English Language, 1828
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HYP'OCRITE, noun
1. One who feigns to be what he is not; one who has the form of godliness without the power, or who assumes an appearance of piety and virtue, when he is destitute of true religion.
And the hypocrite's hope shall perish. Job 8:1.
2. A dissembler; one who assumes a false appearance.
Fair hypocrite you seek to cheat in vain.

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HYPOC'RISY, noun [Latin hypocrisis; Gr. simulation; to feign; to separate, discern or judge.]
1. Simulation; a feigning to be what one is not; or dissimulation, a concealment of one's real character or motives. More generally, hypocrisy is simulation, or the assuming of a false appearance of virtue or religion; a deceitful show of a good character, in morals or religion; a counterfeiting of religion.
Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy Luke 12:1.
2. Simulation; deceitful appearance; false pretence.
Hypocrisy is the necessary burden of villainy.


The Century Dictionary, an Encyclopedic Lexicon of the English Language, 1895
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hypocrite (hip'o-krit), n.
L., a mimic who accompanied the delivery of an actor by gestures;
One who assumes a false appearance; one who feigns to be what he is not, or to feel or believe what he does not actually feel or believe; especially, a false pretender to virtue or piety.


The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English, 1919
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hypo'crisy, n.
Simulation of virtue or goodness ; dissimulation, pretence, [f. OF ypocrisie f. eccl. L f. Gk hupokrisis lit. acting of a part. f. hupokrinomai (hupo- hypo- + krino decide, judge)]

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hypocrite, n.
Person guilty of hypocrisy; dissembler, pretender. So hypocritiCAL a.,


Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary, 1977
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Hypocrisy
The pretense of having feelings or characteristics one does not possess; especially, the deceitful assumption of praiseworthy qualities; insincerity.

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Hypocrite
One who practices hypocrisy.



MISCELLANEOUS CITATIONS

Stillingfleet, Sermons, II.i.
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The fawning, sneaking, and flattering hypocrite, that will do or be any thing for his own advantage, is despised by those he courts, hated by good men, and at last tormented by his own conscience.


Milton
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And in matters of Religion there is not any thing more intolerable then a learned foole, or a learned Hypocrite.


"The Tragic Era: The Revolution After Lincoln," Claude G. Bowers, 1929
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Never have American public men in responsible positions, directing the destiny of the Nation, been so brutal, hypocritical, and corrupt. The Constitution was treated as a door mat on which politicians and army officers wiped their feet after wading in the muck. Never has the Supreme Court been treated with such ineffable contempt, and never has that tribunal so often cringed before the clamor of the mob.


Mansfield, Chamberlain v. Evans (1767), 16 Parl.Hist 313, 325.
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Conscience is not controlable by human laws, nor amenable to human tribunals. Persecution, or attempts to force consciences, will never produce conviction; and are only calculated to make hypocrites, or martyrs


Rowland Hill, Aug. 30, 1775.
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If a person was to attend the levee of an earthly prince every court day, and pay his obeisance punctually and respectfully, but at other times speak and act in opposition to his sovereign, the king would justly deem such a one a hypocrite and an enemy. Nor will a solemn and stated attendance on the means of grace in the house of God prove us to be God's children and friends if we confine our religion to the church walls, and do not devote our lips and lives to the glory of that Saviour we profess to love.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on January 20, 2019, 11:06:50 pm
Here is some more information on hypocrites, hypocrisy (courtesy of Notmartha of Lawfulpath.com)


BIBLE STUDIES

Vincent's New Testament Word Studies (1891), vol. I, p. 150.
Quote
Hypocrites (ὑποκριταί)
From ὑποκρίνω, to separate gradually; so of separating the truth from a mass of falsehood, and thence to subject to inquiry, and, as a result of this, to expound or interpret what is elicited. Then, to reply to inquiry, and so to answer on the stage, to speak in dialogue, to act. From this the transition is easy to assuming, feigning, playing a part. The hypocrite is, therefore, etymologically, an actor.

Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. William Edwy Vine,
Quote
5272. HUPOKRISIS. Hypocrisy. Primarily denotes 'a reply, an answer' (akin to hupokrinomai, 'to answer'); then, 'play-acting,' as the actors spoke in dialogue; hence, 'pretence, hypocrisy'; it is translated 'hypocrisy' in Matt. 23:28; Mark 12:15; Luke 12:1; 1 Tim. 4:2; the plural in 1 Pet. 2:1. For Gal. 2:13 and anupokritos, "without hypocrisy," in Jas. 3:17, see DISSIMULATION."

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5273 HUPOKRITES. Hypocrite. Corresponding to the above, primarily denotes 'one who answers'; then, 'a stage-actor'; it was a custom for Greek and Roman actors to speak in large masks with mechanical devices for augmenting the force of the voice; hence the word became used metaphorically of 'a dissembler, a hypocrite.' It is found only in the Synoptists, and always used by the Lord, fifteen times in Matthew; elsewhere, Mark 7:6; Luke 6:42; 11:44 (in some mss.); 12:56; 13:15


Easton's Bible Dictionary, Matthew George Easton, 1897
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Hypocrite
One who puts on a mask and feigns himself to be what he is not; a dissembler in religion. Our Lord severely rebuked the scribes and Pharisees for their hypocrisy (Mat 6:2, 5, 16). "The hypocrite's hope shall perish" (Job 8:13). The Hebrew word here rendered "hypocrite" rather means the "godless" or "profane," as it is rendered in Jer 23:11, i.e., polluted with crimes.


The Dominion of Providence over the Passions of Men, A Sermon by John Witherspoon
Quote
Many from a real or pretended fear of the imputation of hypocrisy, banish from their conversation and carriage every appearance of respect and submission to the Living God. What a weakness and meanness of spirit does it discover for a man to be ashamed in the presence of his fellow sinners, to profess that reverence to Almighty God which he inwardly feels? The truth is, he makes himself truly liable to the accusation which he means to avoid. It is as genuine and perhaps a more culpable hypocrisy to appear to have less religion than you really have, than to appear to have more. This false shame is a more extensive evil than is commonly apprehended. We contribute constantly, though insensibly, to form each others character and manners; and therefore, the usefulness of a strictly holy and conscientious deportment is not confined to the possessor, but spreads its happy influence to all that are within its reach. I need scarcely add, that in proportion as men are distinguished by understanding, literature, age, rank, office, wealth, or any other circumstance, their example will be useful on the one hand, or pernicious on the other.


Matthew Henry's Commentary On the Whole Bible, (1706) Vol. 5, pp.65 and 66.
Quote
We must take heed of hypocrisy and worldlymindedness in choosing the master we serve. v. 24. No man can serve two masters. Serving two masters is contrary to the single eye; for the eye will be to the master's hand. Ps. 123:1, 2.
Our Lord Jesus here exposes the cheat which those put upon their own souls, who think to divide between God and the world, to have a treasure on earth, and a treasure in Heaven too, to please God and please men too. Why not? says the hypocrite; it is good to have two strings to one's bow.
They hope to make their religion serve their secular interest, and so turn to account both ways. The pretending mother was for dividing the child; the Samaritans will compound between God and idols. No, says Christ, this will not do; it is but a supposition that gain is godliness, 1 Tim. 6:5.


Rev. Jeremy Taylor (1647)
Quote
Force in matters of opinion can do no good, but is very apt to do hurt; for no man can change his opinion when he will, or be satisfied in his reason that his opinion is false because discountenanced. If a man could change his opinion when he lists, he might cure many inconveniences of his life: all his fears and his sorrows would soon disband, if he would but alter his opinion, whereby he is persuaded that such an accident that afflicts him is an evil, and such an object formidable; let him but believe himself impregnable, or that he receives a benefit when he is plundered, disgraced, imprisoned, condemned, and afflicted, neither his sleeps need to be disturbed, nor his quietness discomposed. But if a man cannot change his opinion when he lists, nor ever does heartily or resolutely but when he cannot do otherwise, then to use force may make him an hypocrite but never to be right believer; and so, instead of erecting a trophy to God and true religion, we build a monument for the devil.


Herald of Gospel Liberty,  Elias Smith, January 19, 1810
Quote
As truth is no private man's property, and all Christians are under obligations to propagate it; I do also declare that every Christian has a right to publish and vindicate what he believes is contained in the Scriptures; to speak and write against all corruption of the word, either in doctrine or practice; and to expose the errors of good men, and the wickedness, oppression, and hypocrisy of ungodly men; that every Christian has not only a right, but is commanded to separate from such professors whose doctrine and worship are contrary to what he finds recorded in the Scriptures; and that he has a right to enjoy without disturbance, oppression, or disgrace, or any kind of punishment, civil or ecclesiastical, the liberty of serving God, with any other company of Christians, as he shall judge most expedient and useful to him.



DEFINITIONS

Webster’s Dictionary of the English Language, 1828
Quote
HYP'OCRITE, noun
1. One who feigns to be what he is not; one who has the form of godliness without the power, or who assumes an appearance of piety and virtue, when he is destitute of true religion.
And the hypocrite's hope shall perish. Job 8:1.
2. A dissembler; one who assumes a false appearance.
Fair hypocrite you seek to cheat in vain.

Quote
HYPOC'RISY, noun [Latin hypocrisis; Gr. simulation; to feign; to separate, discern or judge.]
1. Simulation; a feigning to be what one is not; or dissimulation, a concealment of one's real character or motives. More generally, hypocrisy is simulation, or the assuming of a false appearance of virtue or religion; a deceitful show of a good character, in morals or religion; a counterfeiting of religion.
Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy Luke 12:1.
2. Simulation; deceitful appearance; false pretence.
Hypocrisy is the necessary burden of villainy.


The Century Dictionary, an Encyclopedic Lexicon of the English Language, 1895
Quote
hypocrite (hip'o-krit), n.
L., a mimic who accompanied the delivery of an actor by gestures;
One who assumes a false appearance; one who feigns to be what he is not, or to feel or believe what he does not actually feel or believe; especially, a false pretender to virtue or piety.


The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English, 1919
Quote
hypo'crisy, n.
Simulation of virtue or goodness ; dissimulation, pretence, [f. OF ypocrisie f. eccl. L f. Gk hupokrisis lit. acting of a part. f. hupokrinomai (hupo- hypo- + krino decide, judge)]

Quote
hypocrite, n.
Person guilty of hypocrisy; dissembler, pretender. So hypocritiCAL a.,


Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary, 1977
Quote
Hypocrisy
The pretense of having feelings or characteristics one does not possess; especially, the deceitful assumption of praiseworthy qualities; insincerity.

Quote
Hypocrite
One who practices hypocrisy.



MISCELLANEOUS CITATIONS

Stillingfleet, Sermons, II.i.
Quote
The fawning, sneaking, and flattering hypocrite, that will do or be any thing for his own advantage, is despised by those he courts, hated by good men, and at last tormented by his own conscience.


Milton
Quote
And in matters of Religion there is not any thing more intolerable then a learned foole, or a learned Hypocrite.


"The Tragic Era: The Revolution After Lincoln," Claude G. Bowers, 1929
Quote
Never have American public men in responsible positions, directing the destiny of the Nation, been so brutal, hypocritical, and corrupt. The Constitution was treated as a door mat on which politicians and army officers wiped their feet after wading in the muck. Never has the Supreme Court been treated with such ineffable contempt, and never has that tribunal so often cringed before the clamor of the mob.


Mansfield, Chamberlain v. Evans (1767), 16 Parl.Hist 313, 325.
Quote
Conscience is not controlable by human laws, nor amenable to human tribunals. Persecution, or attempts to force consciences, will never produce conviction; and are only calculated to make hypocrites, or martyrs


Rowland Hill, Aug. 30, 1775.
Quote
If a person was to attend the levee of an earthly prince every court day, and pay his obeisance punctually and respectfully, but at other times speak and act in opposition to his sovereign, the king would justly deem such a one a hypocrite and an enemy. Nor will a solemn and stated attendance on the means of grace in the house of God prove us to be God's children and friends if we confine our religion to the church walls, and do not devote our lips and lives to the glory of that Saviour we profess to love.

You do present a good amount of Hypocrisy. Now what are you going to do  with it.


Blade
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 21, 2019, 10:54:19 am
You do present a good amount of Hypocrisy. Now what are you going to do  with it.
You´re asking me what I´ll “do with it”...
There are actually 2 possibilities.

1) I´ll try to refrain from hypocrisy myself. I´ve found out that this is hard to do, because:
- It´s tempting to use “charming” lies to get what I want.
- It´s sometimes easier to lie (especially because people are insulted so very fast). I actually have no remorse at all at lying to liars (sometimes their questions even include lies).

2) I´ll try to expose the big hypocrites: the billionaires, the corporate executives, the lawyers, the politicians and the false preachers.
But as I don´t have the media empire to reach the masses, our wonderful “search” engines regularly block the things I write and people rather believe in fairy tales; I sometimes have the idea that I´m fighting a loosing battle and have some problems with motivation (besides finding out that 24 hours in the day just isn´t enough)... :-(
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on January 22, 2019, 11:54:47 pm
You do present a good amount of Hypocrisy. Now what are you going to do  with it.
You´re asking me what I´ll “do with it”...
There are actually 2 possibilities.

1) I´ll try to refrain from hypocrisy myself. I´ve found out that this is hard to do, because:
- It´s tempting to use “charming” lies to get what I want.
- It´s sometimes easier to lie (especially because people are insulted so very fast). I actually have no remorse at all at lying to liars (sometimes their questions even include lies).

2) I´ll try to expose the big hypocrites: the billionaires, the corporate executives, the lawyers, the politicians and the false preachers.
But as I don´t have the media empire to reach the masses, our wonderful “search” engines regularly block the things I write and people rather believe in fairy tales; I sometimes have the idea that I´m fighting a loosing battle and have some problems with motivation (besides finding out that 24 hours in the day just isn´t enough)... :-(

You cannot just let it GO? Lying is no good for anyone. God hates lying, I think as little more than the other sins although they all carry the same weight of Judgement. You are responsible for one persons soul and that is yours. You can tell others about the Gospel and If they do not accept what you say then that is on them, not you. more and more in today's society, the believing of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is getting less and less and less. Most of it caused by various worldviews that attempt to exclude GOD and in some cases, remove Him altogether.

Try letting go....The others Judgement are in GOD's hands and I can guarantee there will be a day of reckoning.

Blade

Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 23, 2019, 12:05:15 pm
You cannot just let it GO? Lying is no good for anyone. God hates lying, I think as little more than the other sins although they all carry the same weight of Judgement. You are responsible for one persons soul and that is yours.
In my life I've never met anybody that never lies...
You sort of insiniuate that you never tell a lie, and don't sin... and I think you're blatantly LYING if you do!


You can tell others about the Gospel and If they do not accept what you say then that is on them, not you. more and more in today's society, the believing of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is getting less and less and less. Most of it caused by various worldviews that attempt to exclude GOD and in some cases, remove Him altogether.
You're talking about some "gospel" and "GOD", while innocent children are drugged senseless by psychopath psychiatrists and Yemeni people are starved to death (hundreds of thousands of dead children since March 2015).
There are people living on the street, who have to beg to survive.

What good is this "gospel" of yours that is going around in circles never going beyond the confines of your limited worldview?!


Try letting go....The others Judgement are in GOD's hands and I can guarantee there will be a day of reckoning.
This is the kind of foolish talk that puts believers to sleep.
If it's all in God's hand and everything has already been planned according to God's plan, why bother standing up against the psychopaths that make our life a living hell?!?

Most of what you write contradicts how I understand the teachings of Jesus Christ.
It sounds to me like you're supporting the kind of hypocrisy, or at the least spreading "gospel", that makes "believers" work hard for the slave drivers, while the rich get richer and the poor keep dying!
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: patrick jane on January 23, 2019, 12:23:31 pm
You cannot just let it GO? Lying is no good for anyone. God hates lying, I think as little more than the other sins although they all carry the same weight of Judgement. You are responsible for one persons soul and that is yours.
In my life I've never met anybody that never lies...
You sort of insiniuate that you never tell a lie, and don't sin... and I think you're blatantly LYING if you do!


You can tell others about the Gospel and If they do not accept what you say then that is on them, not you. more and more in today's society, the believing of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is getting less and less and less. Most of it caused by various worldviews that attempt to exclude GOD and in some cases, remove Him altogether.
You're talking about some "gospel" and "GOD", while innocent children are drugged senseless by psychopath psychiatrists and Yemeni people are starved to death (hundreds of thousands of dead children since March 2015).
There are people living on the street, who have to beg to survive.

What good is this "gospel" of yours that is going around in circles never going beyond the confines of your limited worldview?!


Try letting go....The others Judgement are in GOD's hands and I can guarantee there will be a day of reckoning.
This is the kind of foolish talk that puts believers to sleep.
If it's all in God's hand and everything has already been planned according to God's plan, why bother standing up against the psychopaths that make our life a living hell?!?

Most of what you write contradicts how I understand the teachings of Jesus Christ.
It sounds to me like you're supporting the kind of hypocrisy, or at the least spreading "gospel", that makes "believers" work hard for the slave drivers, while the rich get richer and the poor keep dying!
We can't explain why children are raped and starving and why people suffer so greatly in this world while a smaller percentage of the world lives comfortable blessed lives. This is a fallen world and once sin and death entered the world eternal life has to wait until after this life on earth. This is only temporary and very brief. Christians help to feed and house and clothe the poor all over the world AND provide free medical care. Evil regimes and corrupt leaders cause death starvation and wars, not God. God didn't put sin and death in the earth, we did.

The Bible clearly says that satan is the god of this world right now. This spiritual battle began with the fall of the angels and the garden, the rest is just result of that. You act as though Christians are stupid and ignore suffering and needless death. We have a hope of being with God and wiping away all tears, all pain and all suffering and death. Life on earth is but a moment in eternity. You can deny God or be "angry" with God or maybe you think you could do "better" than God but anybody that understands God's word knows better.



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Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on January 23, 2019, 05:26:28 pm
You cannot just let it GO? Lying is no good for anyone. God hates lying, I think as little more than the other sins although they all carry the same weight of Judgement. You are responsible for one persons soul and that is yours.
In my life I've never met anybody that never lies...
You sort of insiniuate that you never tell a lie, and don't sin... and I think you're blatantly LYING if you do!


You can tell others about the Gospel and If they do not accept what you say then that is on them, not you. more and more in today's society, the believing of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is getting less and less and less. Most of it caused by various worldviews that attempt to exclude GOD and in some cases, remove Him altogether.
You're talking about some "gospel" and "GOD", while innocent children are drugged senseless by psychopath psychiatrists and Yemeni people are starved to death (hundreds of thousands of dead children since March 2015).
There are people living on the street, who have to beg to survive.

What good is this "gospel" of yours that is going around in circles never going beyond the confines of your limited worldview?!


Try letting go....The others Judgement are in GOD's hands and I can guarantee there will be a day of reckoning.
This is the kind of foolish talk that puts believers to sleep.
If it's all in God's hand and everything has already been planned according to God's plan, why bother standing up against the psychopaths that make our life a living hell?!?

Most of what you write contradicts how I understand the teachings of Jesus Christ.
It sounds to me like you're supporting the kind of hypocrisy, or at the least spreading "gospel", that makes "believers" work hard for the slave drivers, while the rich get richer and the poor keep dying!
We can't explain why children are raped and starving and why people suffer so greatly in this world while a smaller percentage of the world lives comfortable blessed lives. This is a fallen world and once sin and death entered the world eternal life has to wait until after this life on earth. This is only temporary and very brief. Christians help to feed and house and clothe the poor all over the world AND provide free medical care. Evil regimes and corrupt leaders cause death starvation and wars, not God. God didn't put sin and death in the earth, we did.

The Bible clearly says that satan is the god of this world right now. This spiritual battle began with the fall of the angels and the garden, the rest is just result of that. You act as though Christians are stupid and ignore suffering and needless death. We have a hope of being with God and wiping away all tears, all pain and all suffering and death. Life on earth is but a moment in eternity. You can deny God or be "angry" with God or maybe you think you could do "better" than God but anybody that understands God's word knows better.



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Firestarter...Jesus tells us "as a camel through the eye of a needle" will the rich get to heaven.Mat 19:24"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."   (also said in Mark 10:25)

 He also tells us: Psa 37:11"But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."

I have found that believing in the Word of Jesus, gives me a peace I would not ordinarily have. Neither I nor you can stop the psychopath psychiatrists and other  weirdos out there that would do harm to others.   

Find Jesus and I can guarantee a peace that  cannot be broken by the world's living.......Try it......(1 Cor 15:1-4).

Blade
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 24, 2019, 11:25:13 am
We can't explain why children are raped and starving and why people suffer so greatly in this world while a smaller percentage of the world lives comfortable blessed lives. This is a fallen world and once sin and death entered the world eternal life has to wait until after this life on earth. This is only temporary and very brief. Christians help to feed and house and clothe the poor all over the world AND provide free medical care. Evil regimes and corrupt leaders cause death starvation and wars, not God. God didn't put sin and death in the earth, we did.
It is an important form of HYPOCRISY that "we" - whatever type we like to call ourselves: Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, etc. - seem to prefer to look the other way, while the lucky few orchestrate genocide and slavery.
We - the cowards - simply look the other way, hoping that we can get ahead in our career, often drinking alcohohol or using drugs to quiet our conscience.

As for your claim that "Christians" help...
It is "us" - the poor slaves - who do these atrocities. It is "us" who bomb the innocent in the Middle East for the oil companies, it is "us" who walk around in police uniforms to protect the rich and corrupt, and it is "us", who vote for politicians who only care about the lucky few that can reward them.
It is "us" who walk around with cell phones so that Big Brother knows everything we do.

When my bank accounts were illegally blocked in 2015 by the Dutch "Order of Attorneys" (Orde van advocaten) and Rabobank, I tried to get help. I almost starved to death, losing more than - EDIT correction - 40 pounds of weight in 6 weeks.
The only 2 persons that gave me some food were: 1) a Jew and 2) a Muslim.
I once asked a Christian organisation for help, who blamed me for the blatant undisguised attempt to kill me by blocking my bank accounts. Of course an illegal "confiscation" sounds so much better than attempted homicide.

I eventually survived by eating in shelters for homeless people for a couple of months, before I got hold of some money by another court case and getting my own savings back.


You act as though Christians are stupid and ignore suffering and needless death. We have a hope of being with God and wiping away all tears, all pain and all suffering and death. Life on earth is but a moment in eternity. You can deny God or be "angry" with God or maybe you think you could do "better" than God but anybody that understands God's word knows better.
No you misunderstand I don't blame "Christians" specifically.
We are all guilty for ignoring the pain and suffering.

Christians all over the world are "celebrating" that Jesus was murdered, died for our sins, even wearing the cross in praise for this atrocity. It looks to me that he died in vain, as nobody even tries to follow in his footsteps to fight for what you know is right.
It is "us" who don't stand up against corruption. Is this because we get fooled (by Satan?) to believe that looking the other way will get us a nice spot in heaven?!? Or is it that we hope to profit from the corruption ourselves?
Why is it that the most selfish of "Christians" all seem to believe that they will go to heaven after they die, but when the times comes, most are terrified of death?


Here's information on the more than 400,000 Yemenis that have died since March 2015 as a direct result of the bombs or indirectly of starvation. So anybody that sees this can't use the excuse of "I didn't know".
This ignored genocide is supported by UN, US, UK, UAE and Saudi Arabia (amongst others) and our hypocrisy: https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1146
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on January 24, 2019, 07:43:34 pm
We can't explain why children are raped and starving and why people suffer so greatly in this world while a smaller percentage of the world lives comfortable blessed lives. This is a fallen world and once sin and death entered the world eternal life has to wait until after this life on earth. This is only temporary and very brief. Christians help to feed and house and clothe the poor all over the world AND provide free medical care. Evil regimes and corrupt leaders cause death starvation and wars, not God. God didn't put sin and death in the earth, we did.
It is an important form of HYPOCRISY that "we" - whatever type we like to call ourselves: Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, etc. - seem to prefer to look the other way, while the lucky few orchestrate genocide and slavery.
We - the cowards - simply look the other way, hoping that we can get ahead in our career, often drinking alcohohol or using drugs to quiet our conscience.

As for your claim that "Christians" help...
It is "us" - the poor slaves - who do these atrocities. It is "us" who bomb the innocent in the Middle East for the oil companies, it is "us" who walk around in police uniforms to protect the rich and corrupt, and it is "us", who vote for politicians who only care about the lucky few that can reward them.
It is "us" who walk around with cell phones so that Big Brother knows everything we do.

When my bank accounts were illegally blocked in 2015 by the Dutch "Order of Attorneys" (Orde van advocaten) and Rabobank, I tried to get help. I almost starved to death, losing more than 50 pounds of weight in 6 weeks.
The only 2 persons that gave me some food were: 1) a Jew and 2) a Muslim.
I once asked a Christian organisation for help, who blamed me for the blatant undisguised attempt to kill me by blocking my bank accounts. Of course an illegal "confiscation" sounds so much better than attempted homicide.

I eventually survived by eating in shelters for homeless people for a couple of months, before I got hold of some money by another court case and getting my own savings back.


You act as though Christians are stupid and ignore suffering and needless death. We have a hope of being with God and wiping away all tears, all pain and all suffering and death. Life on earth is but a moment in eternity. You can deny God or be "angry" with God or maybe you think you could do "better" than God but anybody that understands God's word knows better.
No you misunderstand I don't blame "Christians" specifically.
We are all guilty for ignoring the pain and suffering.

Christians all over the world are "celebrating" that Jesus was murdered, died for our sins, even wearing the cross in praise for this atrocity. It looks to me that he died in vain, as nobody even tries to follow in his footsteps to fight for what you know is right.
It is "us" who don't stand up against corruption. Is this because we get fooled (by Satan?) to believe that looking the other way will get us a nice spot in heaven?!? Or is it that we hope to profit from the corruption ourselves?
Why is it that the most selfish of "Christians" all seem to believe that they will go to heaven after they die, but when the times comes, most are terrified of death?


Here's information on the more than 400,000 Yemenis that have died since March 2015 as a direct result of the bombs or indirectly of starvation. So anybody that sees this can't use the excuse of "I didn't know".
This ignored genocide is supported by UN, US, UK, UAE and Saudi Arabia (amongst others) and our hypocrisy: https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1146

Firestarter..... Do YOU have a solution to the problem you have been complaining about. What about the cleansing of the world to come.. It will be GOD's wrath. Billions will die!

 What say you?

Blade
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 25, 2019, 09:20:14 am
Firestarter..... Do YOU have a solution to the problem you have been complaining about. What about the cleansing of the world to come.. It will be GOD's wrath. Billions will die!
If I understand correctly your view is something like: if we just keep our faith in God and worship Him in the right way...
God will make everything alright, and "we" (the good Christians) will be protected by our faith in the good sheppard.

The depopulation agenda is in full swing.
In Europe fertility is at such a low level (because of vaccines?) that hundreds of thousands of migrants are imported every year. These are chased away from their homes by poverty, wars, drugs and corruption. They are lured to Europe with our own version of the "American dream" that things are better over here - everybody can become rich and live the easy life.

I don´t know if there is a "solution".
There are only a couple of thousands of the elites that effectively keep us in chains. They aren´t highly intelligent of highly skilled in any way. The only thing they excel in is EVIL.
Hypothecically speaking it only takes a couple of thousands of brave people to stop them...

The best (theoretical) "solution" I could think of is fighting against mind control. People that think for themselves (after they wake up) are hard to fool (and enslave).
It´s questionable however if this will solve anything, as this might only bring a short period of chaos, anarchy and destruction. Convincing "us" that we need a strong govenment to protect us.
In this scenario nothing will really change.

So I can't even say that we need a "revolution" as most (if not all) "revolutions" in the past where nothing but a sham that even made things worse.
In my opinion "we" all need to take our responsibilities to make a change for the better. Another problem is that all of these "philantropic" organisations are in fact part of the problem - covering up the real scandals, so that people don't lose their trust in the government.
And then use the people that want to make things better, to help them make things worse...

When I first read the Bible, the (for me) surprising result was that I became a fan of Jesus Christ.
I saw in Jesus Christ a great revolutionary.
I can't call myself a genuine follower of His teachings though as I prefer the Taoist "Tao te Ching" and Buddhist "Dhammapada".

See Chapter 18 from the Tao Te Ching on hypocrisy:
Quote
When the great Reason is obliterated, we have benevolence and justice.
Prudence and circumspection appear, and we have much hypocrisy.

When family relations no longer harmonize, we have filial piety and paternal devotion.
When the country and the clans decay through disorder, we have loyalty and allegiance.
https://www.yellowbridge.com/onlinelit/daodejing18.php
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on January 25, 2019, 10:43:12 pm
Firestarter..... Do YOU have a solution to the problem you have been complaining about. What about the cleansing of the world to come.. It will be GOD's wrath. Billions will die!

 If I understand correctly your view is something like: if we just keep our faith in God and worship Him in the right way...
God will make everything alright, and "we" (the good Christians) will be protected by our faith in the good sheppard.
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Firestarter....YOU are CORRECT! You are only lacking the reverence??? Jesus Christ tells us if we believe in His Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4...we will become his 'Bride to be' and will escape the coming judgement of the world and Israel.

The depopulation agenda is in full swing.
In Europe fertility is at such a low level (because of vaccines?) that hundreds of thousands of migrants are imported every year. These are chased away from their homes by poverty, wars, drugs and corruption. They are lured to Europe with our own version of the "American dream" that things are better over here - everybody can become rich and live the easy life.

I don´t know if there is a "solution".
There are only a couple of thousands of the elites that effectively keep us in chains. They aren´t highly intelligent of highly skilled in any way. The only thing they excel in is EVIL.
Hypothecically speaking it only takes a couple of thousands of brave people to stop them...

The best (theoretical) "solution" I could think of is fighting against mind control. People that think for themselves (after they wake up) are hard to fool (and enslave).
It´s questionable however if this will solve anything, as this might only bring a short period of chaos, anarchy and destruction. Convincing "us" that we need a strong govenment to protect us.
In this scenario nothing will really change.

So I can't even say that we need a "revolution" as most (if not all) "revolutions" in the past where nothing but a sham that even made things worse.
In my opinion "we" all need to take our responsibilities to make a change for the better. Another problem is that all of these "philantropic" organisations are in fact part of the problem - covering up the real scandals, so that people don't lose their trust in the government.
And then use the people that want to make things better, to help them make things worse...

When I first read the Bible, the (for me) surprising result was that I became a fan of Jesus Christ.
I saw in Jesus Christ a great revolutionary.
I can't call myself a genuine follower of His teachings though as I prefer the Taoist "Tao te Ching" and Buddhist "Dhammapada".

See Chapter 18 from the Tao Te Ching on hypocrisy:
Quote
When the great Reason is obliterated, we have benevolence and justice.
Prudence and circumspection appear, and we have much hypocrisy.

When family relations no longer harmonize, we have filial piety and paternal devotion.
When the country and the clans decay through disorder, we have loyalty and allegiance.
https://www.yellowbridge.com/onlinelit/daodejing18.php

You said:When I first read the Bible, the (for me) surprising result was that I became a fan of Jesus Christ.
I saw in Jesus Christ a great revolutionary.I don´t know if there is a "solution".

I see you were on the right track. I take it that the revolutionary idea you had of Jesus faded and you lost interest.????

and Yes, there is a solution,..,,.Jesus Christ.

The Gospel of Jesus tells us that He DIED on the Cross washing away the sins of the world, for those that would believe in HIM . He was buried according to scripture (God's WORD)and was resurrected according to scripture. By His resurrection, He has the key to death and life. The Bible KJV is God's WORD, from Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21

Forget those other false religions as there is only one true religion and only one true GOD.

If you will place your life in the hands of Jesus Christ, you will find peace and those worries you have expressed about the inequities of the world will abate.

He has told us that those who believe in HIM will not go through the wrath of GOD but rather taken to Heaven where we will receive an immortal body and see Jesus Christ as He is.

Firestarter, All you need to do is to seek Jesus and truly repent your sins(turn in a different direction). Ask Jesus to come into your heart and at the same time, turn control of your life over to him. The good thing, You can do this in the recesses of your mind. Nothing else need be done at this time for:

IF YOU ARE TRUE IN YOUR HEART, Jesus tells us, you will receive 'Salvation', a gift so precious and the Holy Spirit, who will teach you if you will listen, guide you down the path to righteousness and protect you from any outside evil.

All of this, if you will simply trust in HIM for He will deliver you from woes of this world.

I will pray you find your way to the Lord!

Blade







Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 26, 2019, 11:09:13 am
You said:When I first read the Bible, the (for me) surprising result was that I became a fan of Jesus Christ.
I saw in Jesus Christ a great revolutionary.I don´t know if there is a "solution".

I see you were on the right track. I take it that the revolutionary idea you had of Jesus faded and you lost interest.????
No I haven't lost interest in Jesus Christ.
I'm just disgusted by a Christian Church that claims to follow Jesus Christ but in reality is doing the devil's work.

You already know several examples of Jesus Christ opposing the Tanach (for example on the Sabbath that significantly was changed by the sun worshipping founder of the Christian church, Emperor Constantine, to SUNDAY). The Bible is more than 90% against Jesus.

No doubt you also know that the chosen race of the Tanach (a.k.a. Old Testament) are the Jews (or the descendants of the Tribe of Judah, one of the 13 (!) Tribes of Israel).
I guess you don't know that in the New Testament the definition of Jew was significantly changed to include anybody that lives "like a Jew", so according to the New Testament "Jew" isn't even a "race". More than 90% of the people that claim that they are Jews supposedly descend of Ashkenaz (so not even 1 of the Tribes of Israel).

Why would you, a non-Jew I presume, follow a racist ideology that makes you second rate?!?


Forget those other false religions as there is only one true religion and only one true GOD.
You´re the one with a one-dimensional idea of religion. You are in fact supporting mental slavery, mind control, while Jesus Christ was fighting to break the chains...
You are in fact spreading gospel against Jesus (doing the devil´s work). You should be ashamed of yourself!


He has told us that those who believe in HIM will not go through the wrath of GOD but rather taken to Heaven where we will receive an immortal body and see Jesus Christ as He is.
I rather stand up for what I believe in than look the other way while evil destroys our world.


Firestarter, All you need to do is to seek Jesus and truly repent your sins(turn in a different direction). Ask Jesus to come into your heart and at the same time, turn control of your life over to him. The good thing, You can do this in the recesses of your mind. Nothing else need be done at this time for:

IF YOU ARE TRUE IN YOUR HEART, Jesus tells us, you will receive 'Salvation', a gift so precious and the Holy Spirit, who will teach you if you will listen, guide you down the path to righteousness and protect you from any outside evil.

All of this, if you will simply trust in HIM for He will deliver you from woes of this world.
I´m "true" in more ways than you could even imagine. I don´t need to ask anybody´s "forgiveness" as I have a clear conscience.

Don´t tell any psychiatrist that you believe Jesus "tells" you anything, you could be sentenced to schizophrenia...
Please don´t tell me on the notion that God or his one and only Son would speak to anybody (you?) personally, or grants somebody wishes (discriminating against others?) - because this is utterly preposterous!
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on January 26, 2019, 09:51:09 pm
You said:When I first read the Bible, the (for me) surprising result was that I became a fan of Jesus Christ.
I saw in Jesus Christ a great revolutionary.I don´t know if there is a "solution".

I see you were on the right track. I take it that the revolutionary idea you had of Jesus faded and you lost interest.????
No I haven't lost interest in Jesus Christ.
I'm just disgusted by a Christian Church that claims to follow Jesus Christ but in reality is doing the devil's work.

You already know several examples of Jesus Christ opposing the Tanach (for example on the Sabbath that significantly was changed by the sun worshipping founder of the Christian church, Emperor Constantine, to SUNDAY). The Bible is more than 90% against Jesus.

Hey Firestarter, thank you for your reply... I will have to disagree with you in that the Bible is 90% against Jesus Christ. I believe the 66 books of the Bible was written by 40+ penmen and one Author, GOD/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit. 



No doubt you also know that the chosen race of the Tanach (a.k.a. Old Testament) are the Jews (or the descendants of the Tribe of Judah, one of the 13 (!) Tribes of Israel).
I guess you don't know that in the New Testament the definition of Jew was significantly changed to include anybody that lives "like a Jew", so according to the New Testament "Jew" isn't even a "race". More than 90% of the people that claim that they are Jews supposedly descend of Ashkenaz (so not even 1 of the Tribes of Israel).

Firestarter...It may seem like the definition of the 'Jew' is changed but it has not. In the New Testament, The Testament of Jesus Christ, the Law of Moses  (Torah or Pentateuch) has ended (with John the Baptist) and the Gospel of Grace has begun. During the 2nd century around 132-136 AD, the Jews are driven from Jerusalem, the Diaspora , spread the Jewish people around the world. Jerusalem is leveled and built over by a city named...Aelia Capitolina in the first years following the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and is a big reason for the Jewish revolt in 132 AD

The Bar Kokhba revolt of 132–136 AD resulted in the Jewish population, what was left of them, being banned from the area and Jerusalem. Thus the prophecy of Diaspora was fulfilled.

Have no fear, Firestarter, according to GOD, He will not forget His People and will bring them back to the land he gave them. This prophecy happened in part in 1948.

I guess , I want to impress upon you the Bible (KJV) is the whole WORD of GOD. He tells us he has a plan for both JEWS and GENTILES.

One plan for each.


Why would you, a non-Jew I presume, follow a racist ideology that makes you second rate?!?

Forget those other false religions as there is only one true religion and only one true GOD.


You´re the one with a one-dimensional idea of religion. You are in fact supporting mental slavery, mind control, while Jesus Christ was fighting to break the chains...
You are in fact spreading gospel against Jesus (doing the devil´s work). You should be ashamed of yourself!

He has told us that those who believe in HIM will not go through the wrath of GOD but rather taken to Heaven where we will receive an immortal body and see Jesus Christ as He is.
I rather stand up for what I believe in than look the other way while evil destroys our world.

I am sorry you feel that way. God tells us vengeance is his. I can tell you GOD is in CONTROL of all things going on.

Firestarter, All you need to do is to seek Jesus and truly repent your sins(turn in a different direction). Ask Jesus to come into your heart and at the same time, turn control of your life over to him. The good thing, You can do this in the recesses of your mind. Nothing else need be done at this time for:

IF YOU ARE TRUE IN YOUR HEART, Jesus tells us, you will receive 'Salvation', a gift so precious and the Holy Spirit, who will teach you if you will listen, guide you down the path to righteousness and protect you from any outside evil.

All of this, if you will simply trust in HIM for He will deliver you from woes of this world.


I´m "true" in more ways than you could even imagine. I don´t need to ask anybody´s "forgiveness" as I have a clear conscience.

Don´t tell any psychiatrist that you believe Jesus "tells" you anything, you could be sentenced to schizophrenia...
Please don´t tell me on the notion that God or his one and only Son would speak to anybody (you?) personally, or grants somebody wishes (discriminating against others?) - because this is utterly preposterous!

Firestarter.. I really do not know what to tell you. Yo have made it clear you do not need God in your life. For this I am sorry, however, I will still pray that you find HIM before the end.

Blade
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 27, 2019, 11:20:56 am
Hey Firestarter, thank you for your reply... I will have to disagree with you in that the Bible is 90% against Jesus Christ. I believe the 66 books of the Bible was written by 40+ penmen and one Author, GOD/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit. 
I don´t mind to disagree...


Firestarter...It may seem like the definition of the 'Jew' is changed but it has not.
I´ll only add a link on how the definition of “Jew” was changed from Hebrew Tanach (Old Testament) to the Latin New Testament. This has nothing to do with deep philosophy (or “understaning” and I haven´t found this out myself).

The word “Jew” from the English translation of the Tanach refers to “yehûd” – meaning of the Tribe of Judah (according to Nothmartha, also the descendants of Benjamin are Jews).

The word “Jew” from the English translation of the Tanach refers to “Ioudaikōs” – meaning “like” the Jews (so according to his definition Jew isn't a race): https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1376


Have no fear, Firestarter, according to GOD, He will not forget His People and will bring them back to the land he gave them. This prophecy happened in part in 1948.

I guess , I want to impress upon you the Bible (KJV) is the whole WORD of GOD. He tells us he has a plan for both JEWS and GENTILES.
The "race" that rules Israel since 1948 (of course taking their orders from the almighty Order of the Garter) are the Ashkenazi "Jews". These aren't "Jews" according to the Tanach (or even one of the 13 Tribes of Israel).
They claim to descend from Ashkenaz, whose ancestors were (according to the Tanach): Noah > Japheth > Gomer > Ashkenaz.
So they didn't descend from Jacob (a.k.a. Israel), so don't descend from the Tribes of Israel (per definition)...

The Ashkenazis are of Turkish origin (according to the Bible) and have made Israel one of the most anti-Semitic countries in the whole world!
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on January 27, 2019, 09:10:10 pm
Hey Firestarter, thank you for your reply... I will have to disagree with you in that the Bible is 90% against Jesus Christ. I believe the 66 books of the Bible was written by 40+ penmen and one Author, GOD/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit. 
I don´t mind to disagree...


Firestarter...It may seem like the definition of the 'Jew' is changed but it has not.
I´ll only add a link on how the definition of “Jew” was changed from Hebrew Tanach (Old Testament) to the Latin New Testament. This has nothing to do with deep philosophy (or “understaning” and I haven´t found this out myself).

The word “Jew” from the English translation of the Tanach refers to “yehûd” – meaning of the Tribe of Judah (according to Nothmartha, also the descendants of Benjamin are Jews).

The word “Jew” from the English translation of the Tanach refers to “Ioudaikōs” – meaning “like” the Jews (so according to his definition Jew isn't a race): https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1376


Have no fear, Firestarter, according to GOD, He will not forget His People and will bring them back to the land he gave them. This prophecy happened in part in 1948.

I guess , I want to impress upon you the Bible (KJV) is the whole WORD of GOD. He tells us he has a plan for both JEWS and GENTILES.
The "race" that rules Israel since 1948 (of course taking their orders from the almighty Order of the Garter) are the Ashkenazi "Jews". These aren't "Jews" according to the Tanach (or even one of the 13 Tribes of Israel).
They claim to descend from Ashkenaz, whose ancestors were (according to the Tanach): Noah > Japheth > Gomer > Ashkenaz.
So they didn't descend from Jacob (a.k.a. Israel), so don't descend from the Tribes of Israel (per definition)...

The Ashkenazis are of Turkish origin (according to the Bible) and have made Israel one of the most anti-Semitic countries in the whole world!

Oh, well have it your way but in my opinion, you are wrong..... OH, GOD only made one race of Peoples....The Human Race...Again you are wrong!

Blade
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 28, 2019, 10:17:19 am
Oh, well have it your way but in my opinion, you are wrong..... OH, GOD only made one race of Peoples....The Human Race...Again you are wrong!
That was not my interpretation when I read the Bible.
I read that in the Tanach that the "Jews" are the chosen race of the Father, who demands total obedience to everything He orders (including in at least one instance a father being prepared to sacrifice his own son).

If the Tanach wasn't so racist, but would only refer to the human race instead of the "Jews" and other races, I wouldn't find it so horrible.
Other races are certainly mentioned, including the (other) 11 or 12 tribes of Israel, the barbaric Scythians, and many episodes don't only refer to Egyptians (as I read it, more as a race than country) but actually happen in Egypt.

Of course it's strange that there would be more than 1 race, as according to the story of creation we all descend from Adam and Eve (genetically all human males should have the exact identical Y-chromosome) and according to the story on the Arc of Noah we all descend from Noah, his sons and wifes. An interesting piece of information is that according to the Tanach the Arc landed in what is now Turkey...


It looks to me that your current claim of only "one race" contradicts your earlier claim where you discern between Jews and gentiles:
I guess , I want to impress upon you the Bible (KJV) is the whole WORD of GOD. He tells us he has a plan for both JEWS and GENTILES.

One plan for each.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on January 28, 2019, 04:00:25 pm
Oh, well have it your way but in my opinion, you are wrong..... OH, GOD only made one race of Peoples....The Human Race...Again you are wrong!
That was not my interpretation when I read the Bible.
I read that in the Tanach that the "Jews" are the chosen race of the Father, who demands total obedience to everything He orders (including in at least one instance a father being prepared to sacrifice his own son).

If the Tanach wasn't so racist, but would only refer to the human race instead of the "Jews" and other races, I wouldn't find it so horrible.
Other races are certainly mentioned, including the (other) 11 or 12 tribes of Israel, the barbaric Scythians, and many episodes don't only refer to Egyptians (as I read it, more as a race than country) but actually happen in Egypt.

Of course it's strange that there would be more than 1 race, as according to the story of creation we all descend from Adam and Eve (genetically all human males should have the exact identical Y-chromosome) and according to the story on the Arc of Noah we all descend from Noah, his sons and wifes. An interesting piece of information is that according to the Tanach the Arc landed in what is now Turkey...


It looks to me that your current claim of only "one race" contradicts your earlier claim where you discern between Jews and gentiles:
I guess , I want to impress upon you the Bible (KJV) is the whole WORD of GOD. He tells us he has a plan for both JEWS and GENTILES.

One plan for each.

WHY, You, I  and the Jewish people are distant Cousins at best for our families come from the Noah's Children who are Brothers.    Yes, we all have Adams and EVEs DNA in us but our direct fathers, Ham, Shem and Japath are Noah's sons....
 
SO COUZ quite trying to be so mean and bad,.,.,.,.to your kin folk!  Be a little bit more respectful.

Blade
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: truthjourney on January 29, 2019, 01:16:09 pm
Firestarter, I don't think that you're saying that all Christians are the same and look the other way. There are many of us who have made posts exposing the evil and corruption in the world. We certainly don't look the other way. And I'm sure there are many Christians who don't go on the internet to say how they feel about this who don't look the other way.

I've been accused of attacking Christians and Christian churches (not on this forum) because I've posted about church abuse but my motive was to make other Christians aware of what is happening in many churches and I never said all churches as I was accused of saying. But it was interpreted that way.

And even though I've experienced some of the worst abuse in Christian churches, that doesn't affect my faith in God and I don't view all Christians the same as the ones who were involved in the abuse. In reality they weren't Christians anyway. They were just pretending to be Christians to be able to desecrate a church and to have access to Christians to harm them, especially children.  :'(  They were able to move up to high positions in the church, trusted positions, even up to the preacher's position. They know how to bring down a church and take it over. They go after strong churches. They're not concerned with the weak ones.

The fact is, as you know, all levels of society have been infiltrated including many churches and that's something that we as Christians need to be aware of and be on guard against. That's something that I try to make Christians aware of but that doesn't mean that I'm attacking Christians or Christian churches. But there are those who may interpret it that way.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 30, 2019, 09:50:47 am
Firestarter, I don't think that you're saying that all Christians are the same and look the other way. There are many of us who have made posts exposing the evil and corruption in the world. We certainly don't look the other way. And I'm sure there are many Christians who don't go on the internet to say how they feel about this who don't look the other way.
I certainly don´t take aim at "Christians" specifically.
I´ve earlier tried to explain this in reply to a post by Patrick Jane:
It is an important form of HYPOCRISY that "we" - whatever type we like to call ourselves: Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, etc. - seem to prefer to look the other way, while the lucky few orchestrate genocide and slavery.
We - the cowards - simply look the other way, hoping that we can get ahead in our career, often drinking alcohohol or using drugs to quiet our conscience.


And even though I've experienced some of the worst abuse in Christian churches, that doesn't affect my faith in God and I don't view all Christians the same as the ones who were involved in the abuse. In reality they weren't Christians anyway. They were just pretending to be Christians to be able to desecrate a church and to have access to Christians to harm them, especially children.  :'(  They were able to move up to high positions in the church, trusted positions, even up to the preacher's position. They know how to bring down a church and take it over. They go after strong churches. They're not concerned with the weak ones.

The fact is, as you know, all levels of society have been infiltrated including many churches and that's something that we as Christians need to be aware of and be on guard against. That's something that I try to make Christians aware of but that doesn't mean that I'm attacking Christians or Christian churches. But there are those who may interpret it that way.
All organised religions (including "science") aim for mind control. There is no such thing as a "good church".
There are certainly good Christian "preachers" but anybody working for the church, who doesn´t speak out against the abuses of the organisation they work for is - per definition - a hypocrite.

Every single Christian church I´ve visited was decorated with lots of “golden calves”.

About the false preachers in your churches, see the following quote from the New Testament:
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
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For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

On average children are are less innocent and cunning than us adults. Maybe this is the reason why Jesus adviced us to become like children (to receive the Kingdom of God).
Mark 10:14-15
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But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Do you know of any Christian that has followed this?!?
Some of the (hyperactive?) behaviour of children I’ve seen: climbing trees, yelling, running in circles until so dizzy they fall down, stomping their feet in a puddle of water or rolling around in the grass while it’s raining.
I think that Jesus would agree (with me) that Christians could better roll around in the grass in the rain in their good Sunday clothes, than listen to the lies of some false preacher in church that tells them to be a good slave in this life, to get a reward in the eternal life after death.
Title: Erasmus - The praise of folly
Post by: Firestarter on January 30, 2019, 11:24:34 am
There aren’t many Dutch books worth reading. Erasmus’ “The praise of folly” is one of the better philosophy books I´ve read. It’s a first person account of the much underestimated god “folly”...
Errasmus uses this construction to sarcastically ridicule human vanity, stupidity and selfishness (including hypocrisy).
The book got controversial and popular because Erasmus exposed the greed and corruption of the Christian clergymen. Erasmus was understandably expelled from his position as a priest.

Erasmus explains in his introduction that “moria” is really another name for “folly”.
Coincidentally “Moriah” is the land where Abraham went to sacrifice his beloved son Isaac to “God”; he only stops at the last moment when an angel tells him to “lay not thine hand upon the lad” (Genesis 22:1-13).


The following excerpts are relevant in the context of “hypocrisy”.
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Be it as foolish as they would make it, so they confess it proper: and what can be more than that Folly be her own trumpet? For who can set me out better than myself, unless perhaps I could be better known to another than to myself? Though yet I think it somewhat more modest than the general practice of our nobles and wise men who, throwing away all shame, hire some flattering orator or lying poet from whose mouth they may hear their praises, that is to say, mere lies; and yet, composing themselves with a seeming modesty, spread out their peacock's plumes and erect their crests, while this impudent flatterer equals a man of nothing to the gods and proposes him as an absolute pattern of all virtue that's wholly a stranger to it, sets out a pitiful jay in other's feathers, washes the blackamoor white, and lastly swells a gnat to an elephant. In short, I will follow that old proverb that says, "He may lawfully praise himself that lives far from neighbors." Though, by the way, I cannot but wonder at the ingratitude, shall I say, or negligence of men who, notwithstanding they honor me in the first place and are willing enough to confess my bounty, yet not one of them for these so many ages has there been who in some thankful oration has set out the praises of Folly; when yet there has not wanted them whose elaborate endeavors have extolled tyrants, agues, flies, baldness, and such other pests of nature, to their own loss of both time and sleep.

(...)

For even the Stoics themselves that so severely cried down pleasure did but handsomely dissemble, and railed against it to the common people to no other end but that having discouraged them from it, they might the more plentifully enjoy it themselves. But tell me, by Jupiter, what part of man's life is that that is not sad, crabbed, unpleasant, insipid, troublesome, unless it be seasoned with pleasure, that is to say, folly? For the proof of which the never sufficiently praised Sophocles in that his happy elegy of us, "To know nothing is the only happiness," might be authority enough, but that I intend to take every particular by itself.

(...)

And first 'tis agreed of all hands that our passions belong to Folly; inasmuch as we judge a wise man from a fool by this, that the one is ordered by them, the other by reason; and therefore the Stoics remove from a wise man all disturbances of mind as so many diseases. But these passions do not only the office of a tutor to such as are making towards the port of wisdom, but are in every exercise of virtue as it were spurs and incentives, nay and encouragers to well doing: which though that great Stoic Seneca most strongly denies, and takes from a wise man all affections whatever, yet in doing that he leaves him not so much as a man but rather a new kind of god that was never yet nor ever like to be. Nay, to speak plainer, he sets up a stony semblance of a man, void of all sense and common feeling of humanity. And much good to them with this wise man of theirs; let them enjoy him to themselves, love him without competitors, and live with him in Plato's commonwealth, the country of ideas, or Tantalus' orchards. For who would not shun and startle at such a man, as at some unnatural accident or spirit? A man dead to all sense of nature and common affections, and no more moved with love or pity than if he were a flint or rock; whose censure nothing escapes; that commits no errors himself, but has a lynx's eyes upon others; measures everything by an exact line, and forgives nothing; pleases himself with himself only; the only rich, the only wise, the only free man, and only king; in brief, the only man that is everything, but in his own single judgment only; that cares not for the friendship of any man, being himself a friend to no man; makes no doubt to make the gods stoop to him, and condemns and laughs at the whole actions of our life?

(...)

Nor are princes by themselves in their manner of life, since popes, cardinals, and bishops have so diligently followed their steps that they've almost got the start of them. For if any of them would consider what their Albe should put them in mind of, to wit a blameless life; what is meant by their forked miters, whose each point is held in by the same knot, we'll suppose it a perfect knowledge of the Old and New Testaments; what those gloves on their hands, but a sincere administration of the Sacraments, and free from all touch of worldly business; what their crosier, but a careful looking after the flock committed to their charge; what the cross born before them, but victory over all earthly affections—these, I say, and many of the like kind should anyone truly consider, would he not live a sad and troublesome life? Whereas now they do well enough while they feed themselves only, and for the care of their flock either put it over to Christ or lay it all on their suffragans, as they call them, or some poor vicars. Nor do they so much as remember their name, or what the word bishop signifies, to wit, labor, care, and trouble. But in racking to gather money they truly act the part of bishops, and herein acquit themselves to be no blind seers.

In like manner cardinals, if they thought themselves the successors of the apostles, they would likewise imagine that the same things the other did are required of them, and that they are not lords but dispensers of spiritual things of which they must shortly give an exact account. But if they also would a little philosophize on their habit and think with themselves what's the meaning of their linen rochet, is it not a remarkable and singular integrity of life? What that inner purple; is it not an earnest and fervent love of God? Or what that outward, whose loose plaits and long train fall round his Reverence's mule and are large enough to cover a camel; is it not charity that spreads itself so wide to the succor of all men? that is, to instruct, exhort, comfort, reprehend, admonish, compose wars, resist wicked princes, and willingly expend not only their wealth but their very lives for the flock of Christ: though yet what need at all of wealth to them that supply the room of the poor apostles? These things, I say, did they but duly consider, they would not be so ambitious of that dignity; or, if they were, they would willingly leave it and live a laborious, careful life, such as was that of the ancient apostles.

Desiderius Erasmus - “The praise of folly” (1511): http://www.gutenberg.org/files/9371/9371-h/9371-h.htm
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: truthjourney on January 30, 2019, 03:43:27 pm
I certainly don´t take aim at "Christians" specifically.
I´ve earlier tried to explain this in reply to a post by Patrick Jane:
It is an important form of HYPOCRISY that "we" - whatever type we like to call ourselves: Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, etc. - seem to prefer to look the other way, while the lucky few orchestrate genocide and slavery.
We - the cowards - simply look the other way, hoping that we can get ahead in our career, often drinking alcohohol or using drugs to quiet our conscience.
I think there are more and more people including Christians who are waking up and recognizing the evil and corruption in the world and are speaking out about it and not supporting it. And by speaking out about it, other people are made more aware. Because many people aren't aware.

People are kept distracted in different ways by design. Mind control is being used on different levels on everybody through so many ways; tv programs, movies, music, the news, even commercials, cartoons, the education system, universities, politics, symbols and images, and yes, mind control is being used on people in many churches. There is also different kinds of technology being used against people.

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All organised religions (including "science") aim for mind control. There is no such thing as a "good church".
There are certainly good Christian "preachers" but anybody working for the church, who doesn´t speak out against the abuses of the organisation they work for is - per definition - a hypocrite.Every single Christian church I´ve visited was decorated with lots of “golden calves”.
There are many Christians who are increasingly meeting in homes for bible studies, worship and prayer. Here where I live, there is a large room downstairs where people have bible studies. Because so many people here are elderly and/or disabled and so that is helpful for them.

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About the false preachers in your churches, see the following quote from the New Testament:
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Yes, the scriptures warn us about that.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on January 31, 2019, 11:46:04 am
I think there are more and more people including Christians who are waking up and recognizing the evil and corruption in the world and are speaking out about it and not supporting it. And by speaking out about it, other people are made more aware. Because many people aren't aware.
I see a lot of claims that people are waking up, but I only see people that are more and more distracted.


People are kept distracted in different ways by design. Mind control is being used on different levels on everybody through so many ways; tv programs, movies, music, the news, even commercials, cartoons, the education system, universities, politics, symbols and images, and yes, mind control is being used on people in many churches. There is also different kinds of technology being used against people.
The technology is a relatively "new" thing, growing up there was only the TV, now there is computer technology, internet, and mobile phones. This has created a state of information overload where Big Brother knows (almost) everything...
And voice-2-skull technology!


There are many Christians who are increasingly meeting in homes for bible studies, worship and prayer. Here where I live, there is a large room downstairs where people have bible studies. Because so many people here are elderly and/or disabled and so that is helpful for them.
I think that people arranging "study", especially if it replaces sitting for the TV as a couch potatoe, as a group outside the church is a good thing.
I really doubt that it's good to have "worshipping" ceremonies in anybody's life.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: truthjourney on January 31, 2019, 12:43:46 pm
I think there are more and more people including Christians who are waking up and recognizing the evil and corruption in the world and are speaking out about it and not supporting it. And by speaking out about it, other people are made more aware. Because many people aren't aware.
I see a lot of claims that people are waking up, but I only see people that are more and more distracted.
Well, I see more and more people waking up. Of course there are still people who are distracted. I mean many people work a full time job or more than one job and trying to survive and so when they get home from work, they want to relax and not be worrying about evil and corruption in the world. They might watch the news but the news isn't going to be giving them the truth about what's really happening. The news presented that way only adds to the distraction. Many people settle for that kind of news while other people question what they're told and do research.


People are kept distracted in different ways by design. Mind control is being used on different levels on everybody through so many ways; tv programs, movies, music, the news, even commercials, cartoons, the education system, universities, politics, symbols and images, and yes, mind control is being used on people in many churches. There is also different kinds of technology being used against people.

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The technology is a relatively "new" thing, growing up there was only the TV, now there is computer technology, internet, and mobile phones. This has created a state of information overload where Big Brother knows (almost) everything...
And voice-2-skull technology!
The technology I was referring to being used against people isn't all new technology. even V2K is not new technology. It's that we're just now being made aware of it but it's been around for at least 50 years along with other technology.

There are many Christians who are increasingly meeting in homes for bible studies, worship and prayer. Here where I live, there is a large room downstairs where people have bible studies. Because so many people here are elderly and/or disabled and so that is helpful for them.
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I think that people arranging "study", especially if it replaces sitting for the TV as a couch potatoe, as a group outside the church is a good thing.
I really doubt that it's good to have "worshipping" ceremonies in anybody's life.
I think it's a good thing too. I personally feel more safe with this kind of worship and study outside of a church building. That doesn't mean that I'm saying that people shouldn't go to a church. I hope it's not interpreted that way.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on February 25, 2019, 07:17:27 pm
I think there are more and more people including Christians who are waking up and recognizing the evil and corruption in the world and are speaking out about it and not supporting it. And by speaking out about it, other people are made more aware. Because many people aren't aware.
I see a lot of claims that people are waking up, but I only see people that are more and more distracted.
Well, I see more and more people waking up. Of course there are still people who are distracted. I mean many people work a full time job or more than one job and trying to survive and so when they get home from work, they want to relax and not be worrying about evil and corruption in the world. They might watch the news but the news isn't going to be giving them the truth about what's really happening. The news presented that way only adds to the distraction. Many people settle for that kind of news while other people question what they're told and do research.


People are kept distracted in different ways by design. Mind control is being used on different levels on everybody through so many ways; tv programs, movies, music, the news, even commercials, cartoons, the education system, universities, politics, symbols and images, and yes, mind control is being used on people in many churches. There is also different kinds of technology being used against people.

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The technology is a relatively "new" thing, growing up there was only the TV, now there is computer technology, internet, and mobile phones. This has created a state of information overload where Big Brother knows (almost) everything...
And voice-2-skull technology!
The technology I was referring to being used against people isn't all new technology. even V2K is not new technology. It's that we're just now being made aware of it but it's been around for at least 50 years along with other technology.

There are many Christians who are increasingly meeting in homes for bible studies, worship and prayer. Here where I live, there is a large room downstairs where people have bible studies. Because so many people here are elderly and/or disabled and so that is helpful for them.
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I think that people arranging "study", especially if it replaces sitting for the TV as a couch potatoe, as a group outside the church is a good thing.
I really doubt that it's good to have "worshipping" ceremonies in anybody's life.
I think it's a good thing too. I personally feel more safe with this kind of worship and study outside of a church building. That doesn't mean that I'm saying that people shouldn't go to a church. I hope it's not interpreted that way.

The problem is , WHAT are they WAKING-UP too????

with a large percentage of the Churches in apostasy, it will be difficult to find the right path. Look at this and TF forum, How many different versions of Salvation are there.

Blade
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: truthjourney on February 26, 2019, 06:56:44 am
The problem is , WHAT are they WAKING-UP too????
with a large percentage of the Churches in apostasy, it will be difficult to find the right path. Look at this and TF forum, How many different versions of Salvation are there.

Blade[/shadow]
In the context that I was referring to, waking up is not a problem. The problem would be not waking up to what's really happening. Every level of society has been infiltrated including many churches. That's why there is apostasy. The problem is recognizing the apostasy and who is causing it.

I believe the right path is found in these scriptures.

Deut. 4:9 But if from there you will seek the LORD your God, you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Ps. 146:3 Do not trust a prince or upon a son of man, for there is no salvation in his hand.

Prov. 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart; and lean not unto your own understanding. 6in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight.…
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on February 26, 2019, 11:53:02 am
In the context that I was referring to, waking up is not a problem. The problem would be not waking up to what's really happening. Every level of society has been infiltrated including many churches. That's why there is apostasy. The problem is recognizing the apostasy and who is causing it.

I believe the right path is found in these scriptures.
I believe that the right path is actually waking up...
The problem is that because of all the mind control techniques, people aren't thinking and get caught up in a circle of automatic responses. I sometimes see teenagers, who are always in a hurry, because they might miss something on their mobile phone!

"Christians" are so used to what's written in the Bible that they aren't even able to think about what's being written anymore and instead get caught up in the explanations of the scribes.

Many Christians say the exact same prayer before and after every meal, which becomes something automatic.
You might have heard Hare Krishnas chanting themselves to sleep, while annoying the people around them.

The alternative to religions, like Christianity, in which "believing" is the ultimate goal (what kind of believe could move a mountain?) is the misconception of "enlightenment", which becomes something like simply ignoring everything so that you can fool yourself that you're some kind of God.

The elite actually see themselves as descendants of the Godhead, which gives them the right to exploit us in any way they can.

Atheistic scientists get caught up by first being brainwashed with some foolish ideas by the scientific scribes and wind up going around in circles "investigating" the scientific theories that are sold as the "truth".

My "solution" is some sort of personal "religion" where you don't take for granted what others tell you but instead find out for yourself.
In this way you will make foolish mistakes, but it will be YOUR mistakes instead of the "policitical correctness" that others fool us with. If you are able to learn from your mistakes (you will make the same mistakes twice), in the end you should become wiser than if you listen to those false preachers that have been brainwashed themselves but play an important role in controlling the masses...
Title: Bono hypocrite
Post by: Firestarter on February 26, 2019, 11:56:18 am
I think that U2 made some great music in the 1980s, but this doesn’t mean that I’m a fan of the HYPOCRITE Bono. Another scumbag knighted by Queen Elizabeth, because he’s not British he’s no “Sir” though but can place “KBE” after his name...

In January 2012, Bono arrived in Mali on a private jet with his wife and daughters. Bono starred at a festival celebrating the “famous” Tuareg tribe. Bono jumped on stage yelling: “We are brothers here!” and “Music is stronger than war!”
The next morning, the Tuaregs took up arms against the regime. Three months later, Al Qaeda usurped the Tuareg rebellion, to rape women, chop off limbs and burn libraries with centuries-old books, which was a little “overlooked” in the western press.

Bono was contacted 6 months after his visit to Mali, with the question on why he kept quiet when he could make this humanitarian disaster a front page story.
His spokesperson replied: “Bono was on a private family vacation and One doesn’t get involved in politics”: https://nypost.com/2017/11/11/the-hypocrisy-of-bono-and-his-one-charity/
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: truthjourney on February 26, 2019, 02:28:14 pm
In the context that I was referring to, waking up is not a problem. The problem would be not waking up to what's really happening. Every level of society has been infiltrated including many churches. That's why there is apostasy. The problem is recognizing the apostasy and who is causing it.

I believe the right path is found in these scriptures.
I believe that the right path is actually waking up...
The problem is that because of all the mind control techniques, people aren't thinking and get caught up in a circle of automatic responses. I sometimes see teenagers, who are always in a hurry, because they might miss something on their mobile phone!

"Christians" are so used to what's written in the Bible that they aren't even able to think about what's being written anymore and instead get caught up in the explanations of the scribes.

Many Christians say the exact same prayer before and after every meal, which becomes something automatic.
You might have heard Hare Krishnas chanting themselves to sleep, while annoying the people around them.

The alternative to religions, like Christianity, in which "believing" is the ultimate goal (what kind of believe could move a mountain?) is the misconception of "enlightenment", which becomes something like simply ignoring everything so that you can fool yourself that you're some kind of God.

The elite actually see themselves as descendants of the Godhead, which gives them the right to exploit us in any way they can.

Atheistic scientists get caught up by first being brainwashed with some foolish ideas by the scientific scribes and wind up going around in circles "investigating" the scientific theories that are sold as the "truth".

My "solution" is some sort of personal "religion" where you don't take for granted what others tell you but instead find out for yourself.
In this way you will make foolish mistakes, but it will be YOUR mistakes instead of the "policitical correctness" that others fool us with. If you are able to learn from your mistakes (you will make the same mistakes twice), in the end you should become wiser than if you listen to those false preachers that have been brainwashed themselves but play an important role in controlling the masses...
I wouldn't be able to make it through the day, to survive, without faith and trust in God. That's what keeps me going, gives me hope, courage and strength. In fact, I wouldn't be alive right now without it. I would have given up a long time ago.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Theo102 on February 26, 2019, 10:27:46 pm
Hypocrite
One who puts on a mask and feigns himself to be what he is not; a dissembler in religion. Our Lord severely rebuked the scribes and Pharisees for their hypocrisy (Mat 6:2, 5, 16)

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1 Corinthian 9:20-21

But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men [and] brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
Acts 23:6
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on February 27, 2019, 08:58:38 am
I wouldn't be able to make it through the day, to survive, without faith and trust in God. That's what keeps me going, gives me hope, courage and strength. In fact, I wouldn't be alive right now without it. I would have given up a long time ago.
But the Bible and the Church you get brainwashed have nothing to do with God (unless you consider it just another name for Satan)...

Hypothetically speaking somebody could even "wake up" through the Bible, by "understanding" of the teachings of Joshua of Nazarethm leaving the Trinity doctrine and all of the "magick" out of it!

You must have heard of the "wise men" visiting "Jesus Christ", according to the Roman New Testament falsification of Joshua's teachings...
They were not 3 according to the New Testament. The Latin word used was "magi" to which "wise men" is a false translation.
"Magi" are really the pagan leaders of witchcraft covens, magicians, druidhes or (male) witches.

Whoever told you that the Bible is God's word was lying. Not necessarily "hypocrites" but (at the very least) misguided.
Have you ever met a "Christian" who tries to live with a child's heart?!?
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: patrick jane on February 27, 2019, 11:40:02 am
I wouldn't be able to make it through the day, to survive, without faith and trust in God. That's what keeps me going, gives me hope, courage and strength. In fact, I wouldn't be alive right now without it. I would have given up a long time ago.
But the Bible and the Church you get brainwashed have nothing to do with God (unless you consider it just another name for Satan)...

Hypothetically speaking somebody could even "wake up" through the Bible, by "understanding" of the teachings of Joshua of Nazarethm leaving the Trinity doctrine and all of the "magick" out of it!

You must have heard of the "wise men" visiting "Jesus Christ", according to the Roman New Testament falsification of Joshua's teachings...
They were not 3 according to the New Testament. The Latin word used was "magi" to which "wise men" is a false translation.
"Magi" are really the pagan leaders of witchcraft covens, magicians, druidhes or (male) witches.

Whoever told you that the Bible is God's word was lying. Not necessarily "hypocrites" but (at the very least) misguided.
Have you ever met a "Christian" who tries to live with a child's heart?!?
What makes you think what you have read is the truth over what the Bible actually says? There are NO contradictions or falsifications in the King James Bible. You are being brainwashed by pagan propaganda created to lead people away from Christ. You have some nerve lecturing any Christian or any person about hypocrisy. Look in the mirror first.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: truthjourney on February 27, 2019, 01:36:54 pm
I wouldn't be able to make it through the day, to survive, without faith and trust in God. That's what keeps me going, gives me hope, courage and strength. In fact, I wouldn't be alive right now without it. I would have given up a long time ago.
But the Bible and the Church you get brainwashed have nothing to do with God (unless you consider it just another name for Satan)...

Hypothetically speaking somebody could even "wake up" through the Bible, by "understanding" of the teachings of Joshua of Nazarethm leaving the Trinity doctrine and all of the "magick" out of it!

You must have heard of the "wise men" visiting "Jesus Christ", according to the Roman New Testament falsification of Joshua's teachings...
They were not 3 according to the New Testament. The Latin word used was "magi" to which "wise men" is a false translation.
"Magi" are really the pagan leaders of witchcraft covens, magicians, druidhes or (male) witches.

Whoever told you that the Bible is God's word was lying. Not necessarily "hypocrites" but (at the very least) misguided.
Have you ever met a "Christian" who tries to live with a child's heart?!?
What I said came straight from my heart and is exactly how I feel. I didn't mention any doctrines for you to disagree with so I am not going to debate that with you. I have faith and trust in the Most High God, the Creator. I believed this way long before I even learned to read a bible or understand what was taught in church.

And, believe it or not, I've learned some things over the last 60 years. I wish you wouldn't generalize all Christians the way you appear to. 

Yes, I have met a Christian who tries to live with a child's heart. I've met many Christians over the years who try to live with a child's heart. See, that's the thing. God doesn't judge the way that man does. He sees our hearts.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on February 28, 2019, 10:34:22 am
There are NO contradictions or falsifications in the King James Bible. You are being brainwashed by pagan propaganda created to lead people away from Christ. You have some nerve lecturing any Christian or any person about hypocrisy. Look in the mirror first.
Obviously you don't follow the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth, which clearly states that you shouldn't judge others.
That you even write that there are no contradictions in the KJV as if that means anything shows how misguided you really are.

The Mithras, sun worshipping Roman emperor Constantine renamed the Tanach (and reshuffled the order of the books a little) the Old Testament and had the New Testament compiled after the scriptures of the followers of Joshua of Nazareth were destroyed in which the pagan Trinity was introduced. This was proclaimed the "Word of God" by the Satanic Council of Nicea in 325 AD.
The Tanach was written in Hebrew and the New Testament in Latin.

When Joshua was crucified, Romans ruled Israel.
Besides the Trinity Constantine also had some other ridiculous ideas corrupt the teachings of Joshua:
- The virgin Mary;
- Jesus getting up after he had been dead for 3 days;
- That Jesus had told the Jews to pay taxes to the mass murdering Romans (give the Emperor what is his);
- And that Pontius Pilate actually tried to save Joshua, but couldn't even though he ruled supreme.

Even the story of Noah's ark was an imitation of the Sumerian (actually Scythian) of the Annunaki Enlil who decides to flood earth to exterminate all beings.
His half-brother and/or son Enki doesn’t agree, so warns Atra-hasis (a.k.a. Utnapishtim) to build an Ark and fill it with animals. After the waters receded, he released the animals to repopulate the planet: https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1093&start=20#p5810


See the follwing Sumerian image, including Enki; note the planets revolving around the Sun, ca. 2,500 BC.
(https://archive.is/GG13N/450e73615ee750e58f087d4f4d74f04507294f3b)
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on February 28, 2019, 08:20:21 pm
There are NO contradictions or falsifications in the King James Bible. You are being brainwashed by pagan propaganda created to lead people away from Christ. You have some nerve lecturing any Christian or any person about hypocrisy. Look in the mirror first.
Obviously you don't follow the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth, which clearly states that you shouldn't judge others.
That you even write that there are no contradictions in the KJV as if that means anything shows how misguided you really are.

The Mithras, sun worshipping Roman emperor Constantine renamed the Tanach (and reshuffled the order of the books a little) the Old Testament and had the New Testament compiled after the scriptures of the followers of Joshua of Nazareth were destroyed in which the pagan Trinity was introduced. This was proclaimed the "Word of God" by the Satanic Council of Nicea in 325 AD.
The Tanach was written in Hebrew and the New Testament in Latin.

When Joshua was crucified, Romans ruled Israel.
Besides the Trinity Constantine also had some other ridiculous ideas corrupt the teachings of Joshua:
- The virgin Mary;
- Jesus getting up after he had been dead for 3 days;
- That Jesus had told the Jews to pay taxes to the mass murdering Romans (give the Emperor what is his);
- And that Pontius Pilate actually tried to save Joshua, but couldn't even though he ruled supreme.

Even the story of Noah's ark was an imitation of the Sumerian (actually Scythian) of the Annunaki Enlil who decides to flood earth to exterminate all beings.
His half-brother and/or son Enki doesn’t agree, so warns Atra-hasis (a.k.a. Utnapishtim) to build an Ark and fill it with animals. After the waters receded, he released the animals to repopulate the planet: https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1093&start=20#p5810


See the follwing Sumerian image, including Enki; note the planets revolving around the Sun, ca. 2,500 BC.
(https://archive.is/GG13N/450e73615ee750e58f087d4f4d74f04507294f3b)

Firestarter..I believe you are a little out there in left field but it is your choice.  The Bible does not give that information. If you want to believe other than GOD's WORD ok; It is your choice.

Blade

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Title: Bob Geldof
Post by: Firestarter on March 15, 2019, 11:39:29 am
Maybe an even bigger hypocrite than Bono is Bob Geldof...

Do you remember Live Aid, when we were all so united in saving the world through music?
Live Aid brought in more than $100 million and in July 1986 was still raising funds through follow-ups like — Fashion Aid, School-Aid, OnLine Aid and  Sport Aid. It got Bob Geldof a nice knighthood from Queen Elizabeth II, so he may place “KBE” after his name. It also made Bono and U2 into superstars...

In July 1986, the little known reporter Robert Keating exposed that the Live Aid millions were really supporting the genocide in Ethiopia! Keating discovered that the Ethiopian dictator, Mengistu, used the money from the west to buy weapons from the Soviets, giving him the largest, best equipped army in Africa so he could viciously crush the opposition.
Keating showed that Geldof was warned about Mengistu. According to Medicins Sans Frontiers, Geldof famously ignored the warnings and said: “I’ll shake hands with the Devil on my left and on my right to get to the people we are meant to help”.

Jason Clay, who studied the famine in Ethiopia explained:
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People are dying because of their government. And what groups like Live Aid are doing is helping the government set up a system that is going to cause people to die for decades to come.
Claude Malhuret of Medicins sans Frontieres said:
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Western governments and humanitarian groups like Live Aid are fueling an operation that will be described with hindsight in a few years time as one of the greatest slaughters in the history of the twentieth century.

The reality is that the massive amounts of deaths in Ethiopia wasn’t caused by nature but mostly by war. At the time Ethiopia was fighting 4 internal wars, the major fighting  in the northern provinces of Tigre and Eritrea.
The Ethiopian government brutally forced mass resettlements of millions and bombings killed more Ethiopians than the famine ever did. The Ethiopian army systematically destroyed farmlands, killed oxen, and used napalm on the starving population.

US “help” was coordinated by the National Security Council. A secret White House report dated 5 May 1984, shows that the Reagan Administration knew of the “disaster situation” in Ethiopia, but chose to keep their hands off for political reasons.
The US government accused the Ethiopians of selling the little grain from the US to the Soviets to buy military supplies.

In 1985, hundreds of thousands of tons of food from Live Aid rotted on the docks beside the Red Sea. Little food and medicine left the port cities of Assab and Massawa, because priority was given to unloading military hardware.
The Band Aid Trust finally chartered ships to transport goods into Ethiopia, 19 voyages brought in more than 100,000 tons of food. But then the Ethiopian government confiscated tons of food to pay its army in grain or to trade for arms.

The food was also used to lure Ethiopians to resettlement camps, to be “relocated”. More than 600,000 victims were relocated this way, and some 100,000 died in the savage transport.
In the spring of 1986, 70,000 people were being moved each week. The resettlement program would move 33 million Ethiopians, more than three-quarters of the population, to state villages.
 
Bonnie Holcomb commented:
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More lives can be saved by stopping aid.
Food has been given to Ethiopia for humanitarian purposes, but it has served as bait in a trap that is part of an ongoing program to restructure Ethiopia’s society.
https://www.spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/
(archived here: http://archive.is/68riE)
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Billy Evmur on March 16, 2019, 09:51:44 am
I have always found that the biggest hypocrites are the ones who call everybody else hypocrites
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: patrick jane on May 03, 2019, 08:37:00 pm
Come on back Firestarter, we miss you. Don't be a hypocrite !!!  ;D

Seriously, we can get past this. I'm not angry or upset that you attacked me personally because I said the word fake or whatever the reason you first slandered me.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on May 03, 2019, 11:30:43 pm
Come on back Firestarter, we miss you. Don't be a hypocrite !!!  ;D

Seriously, we can get past this. I'm not angry or upset that you attacked me personally because I said the word fake or whatever the reason you first slandered me.

I do believe you got Billy E. started now?  :o

Blade
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Billy Evmur on May 20, 2019, 06:21:35 pm
Come on back Firestarter, we miss you. Don't be a hypocrite !!!  ;D

Seriously, we can get past this. I'm not angry or upset that you attacked me personally because I said the word fake or whatever the reason you first slandered me.

I do believe you got Billy E. started now?  :o

Blade

Billy Evmur says:
He starts by saying that [in his opinion] the purpose of religion is to teach morals.

Jesus came to give us LIFE, this life is in Christ Himself, when we receive Christ we receive His life.

All his gripes are about the DEATH he sees in the world and all the woe that accompanies death, death by starving is pure misery, death at the hands of a murderer etc

But nobody is more up front and honest about death than God … from the very beginning He warned that sin would bring death, He has not ceased to warn about sin and death rising up early.

Look at a map of the world … where there is least to none gospel is where the most death is.

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Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: patrick jane on June 29, 2019, 11:03:34 am
Come on back Firestarter, we miss you. Don't be a hypocrite !!!  ;D

Seriously, we can get past this. I'm not angry or upset that you attacked me personally because I said the word fake or whatever the reason you first slandered me.

I do believe you got Billy E. started now?  :o

Blade

Billy Evmur says:
He starts by saying that [in his opinion] the purpose of religion is to teach morals.

Jesus came to give us LIFE, this life is in Christ Himself, when we receive Christ we receive His life.

All his gripes are about the DEATH he sees in the world and all the woe that accompanies death, death by starving is pure misery, death at the hands of a murderer etc

But nobody is more up front and honest about death than God … from the very beginning He warned that sin would bring death, He has not ceased to warn about sin and death rising up early.

Look at a map of the world … where there is least to none gospel is where the most death is.

[/quote]He started posting the Koran Bill. I had to spank him.
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on May 25, 2020, 10:30:35 am
The Bronfman sisters’ World Ethical Foundation invited the Dalai Lama (he came on 6 May 2009) in return for a donation of more than $1 million.
See his hypocriticalness, after he placed a Tibetan scarf round the neck of Keith Raniere.
(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2018%2F01%2F23%2F23%2F48822B2700000578-5230067-image-a-50_1516751827635.jpg&hash=d40dad9033aedcd341772780fc3f704a7b2727fc)

The deal was made by Sara Bronfman and Lama Tenzin Dhonden, head of the Dalai Lama's US trust.
See the Dalai Lama on stage at the NXIVM event, with Sara Bronfman circled (I think her sister Clare is sitting to her left), Albany, New York.
(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2018%2F01%2F22%2F19%2F4877FED200000578-5230067-image-a-1_1516648179619.jpg&hash=b01ea240ec3645f4a4cc2375749d6b50bd8b1d15)

Sara first met Dhonden, in Idaho in 2007. In 2008, Dhonden visited Sara in Albany and met other NXIVM members, including Raniere.
According to Susan Dones, a former top ranking member of NXIVM, everybody in the cult knew that Sara and Dhonden were having an affair (even though Dhonden made a vow of chastity):
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They travelled together to California, to Seattle, to Silver Bay, and Necker Island.
They were clearly a couple, but this was hidden to outsiders, and probably the Dalai Lama, since Lama Tenzin was supposed to be a monk, and he would have been defrocked if they found out.

Frank Parlato said:
Quote
He's clearly not a true monk because we all knew he was having an affair with Sara and it was ill disguised.
NXIVM members have said they had seen Lama Tenzin at Sara's house coming out of her bedroom, it was an open secret that they were having an affair, everyone was talking about it. Keith [Raniere] would call him Sara's 'husband'.

Sara Bronfman travelled with her mother Georgina Bronfman, Allison Mack and Lama Tonzin Dohnden to the private island of Virgin billionaire Richard Branson, Necker in the British Virgin Islands.
It’s also claimed that Sara bought Dhonden a house.

On 13 April 2009 the Dalai Lama wrote the foreword to a book co-authored by Raniere to boost sales.
(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2018%2F01%2F22%2F19%2F4876C40200000578-5230067-image-m-8_1516648249313.jpg&hash=24b088b5c0d683f03c95042b0b58ebaef5e88aca)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5230067/Dalai-Lamas-1-MILLION-women-branding-sex-cult.html
(http://archive.is/mnXbj)


Keith Raniere graduated in Troy, New York, in 1982, having majored in physics, math, and biology.
In 1990, Raniere founded Consumers’ Buyline, a multi-level marketing company.
In 1998, together with NLP trainer Nancy Salzman, he founded Executive Success Programs (ESP).
ESP was a corporate self-help program. Many of its “graduates” reported amazing results. Its alumni include Sheila Johnson (co-founder of Black Entertainment Television); Antonia Novello (former U.S. surgeon general); Emiliano Salinas (son of Mexico’s former president Carlos Salinas); and Richard Branson.

In the fall of 2002, Sara Bronfman joined ESP (now called NXIVM) later joined by her sister Clare Bronfman.
In 2003, Sara’s and Clare’s billionaire father, Edgar Bronfman Sr, signed up for a five-day “V.I.P.” course, later he began private therapy sessions with Nancy Salzman.
When Clare told Edgar Sr. Bronfman that NXIVM had borrowed $2 million from her, Bronfman soon cut his ties with NXIVM. Sara and Clare Bronfman have donated as much as $150 million to NXIVM.
Most articles claim that Keith Raniere caused a rift between the sisters and daddy Edgar Bronfman Sr.

After a less than flattering article on NXIVM appeared, Toni Natalie warned Edgar Bronfman Sr for Keith Raniere.
Natalie learned that NXIVM hired the controversial Israeli-born private investigator Juval Aviv to spy on her private life and business activities.
Sara joined NXIVM’s executive board and was given the title of minister of humanities.

In 2003, 35-year-old Kristin Snyder disappeared after a NXIVM session in Alaska. Her body was never found, but in her truck a note was found:
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I was brainwashed and my emotional center of the brain was killed/turned off ... Please contact my parents ... if you find me or this note. I am sorry ... I didn’t know I was already dead.

In May 2009, Sara and Clare Bronfman arranged an appearance by the Dalai Lama for the NXIVM. Because both Skidmore College and Rensselaer Polytechnic declined to host the event, it was first cancelled, but then went ahead anyway (on 6 May 2009).
At one point his hypocriticalness Dalai Lama placed a scarf around Raniere’s neck to show his support for NXIVM.

Two weeks before the Dalai Lama in Albany event, NXIVM was threatened by a letter to Raniere and Salzman by 9 senior members, who resigned from the group, and demanded that NXIVM pay them $2.1 million it owed them. Clare and Sara’s financial manager, Barbara Bouchey, was among those who resigned. Bouchey was swiftly fired by the Bronfman sisters.
Bouchey copied evidence, before giving the originals back, because she believed that the Bronfmans were planning to “set me up”. Bouchey says she has evidence of “potentially illegal activities”. But was forbidden by the court from speaking about the Bronfmans’ financial dealings, so could offer no evidence.

In 2010, Joe O’Hara, NXIVM’s former consultant, alleged that NXIVM was involved in a variety of illegal activities, including tax evasion, money laundering, and immigration violations.
He also claimed that 2 Bronfman foundations misused tax-exempt funds, spending them on non-charitable purposes, including purchasing an expensive piano for Raniere: https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2010/11/bronfman-201011
(http://archive.is/VsHtt)


For more on the Bronfmans and the NXIVM money laundering, sex cult: https://3169.createaforum.com/firestarter-on-fire/bronfman-mega-paedophilia-nxivm-and-syria/msg2779/#msg2779
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Firestarter on June 22, 2020, 11:11:43 am
These Royals are such great preservers of nature!

The World Wildlife Fund since it was founded has actively orchestrated genocide against the population of sub-Saharan Africa.
WWF and UN parks serve 2 main purposes (this doesn’t include protecting nature or endangered species):
Taking land out of circulation for economic productive purposes.
Staging grounds for insurgencies.

Prince Bernhard had to resign as chairman of the WWF, and was replaced by Queen Elizabeth II’s husband, Prince Philip, who was replaced as WWF-UK head by Princess Alexandra, first cousin to Elizabeth.
See Prince Bernhard with one of his “trophies”.
(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FcywEr%2F054a0fe6abf9a1c6c420364bd46568cf98a8b467.webp&hash=ed3975e5ef13645f73076aaa83376b3cc4de6fae)

In January 1961, Prince Philip accompanied his wife Queen Elizabeth II on a royal tour of India. According to the WWF's Ian MacPhail, Philip shot and killed a very rare Indian rhinoceros,.
Among the attractions for the royal party was a tiger hunt. Philip and his troop shot several Indian tigers that day.
(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20150719215223if_%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bibliotecapleyades.net%2Fimagenes_sociopol%2Fblacknobil12_01_small.jpg&hash=7a7ad689898ca9407b481ffe35b268e29443dfa9)

On Friday, 13 April 2012, (then) King Juan Carlos of Spain ended up in hospital after taking a fall while hunting elephants in Botswana. After the uproar Juan Carlos was forced to resign as president of Spain's chapter of the WWF.
Earlier Juan Carlos had been pictured standing proudly in front of a killed elephant, on another safari.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/16/article-0-129AB55C000005DC-860_634x518.jpg)
https://3169.createaforum.com/firestarter-on-fire/rwanda-genocide-kagame-the-rpf-and-looting-the-congo/msg11330/#msg11330
Title: Re: Hypocrisy
Post by: Bladerunner on June 23, 2020, 09:25:40 pm
These Royals are such great preservers of nature!

The World Wildlife Fund since it was founded has actively orchestrated genocide against the population of sub-Saharan Africa.
WWF and UN parks serve 2 main purposes (this doesn’t include protecting nature or endangered species):
Taking land out of circulation for economic productive purposes.
Staging grounds for insurgencies.

Prince Bernhard had to resign as chairman of the WWF, and was replaced by Queen Elizabeth II’s husband, Prince Philip, who was replaced as WWF-UK head by Princess Alexandra, first cousin to Elizabeth.
See Prince Bernhard with one of his “trophies”.
(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FcywEr%2F054a0fe6abf9a1c6c420364bd46568cf98a8b467.webp&hash=ed3975e5ef13645f73076aaa83376b3cc4de6fae)

In January 1961, Prince Philip accompanied his wife Queen Elizabeth II on a royal tour of India. According to the WWF's Ian MacPhail, Philip shot and killed a very rare Indian rhinoceros,.
Among the attractions for the royal party was a tiger hunt. Philip and his troop shot several Indian tigers that day.
(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20150719215223if_%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bibliotecapleyades.net%2Fimagenes_sociopol%2Fblacknobil12_01_small.jpg&hash=7a7ad689898ca9407b481ffe35b268e29443dfa9)

On Friday, 13 April 2012, (then) King Juan Carlos of Spain ended up in hospital after taking a fall while hunting elephants in Botswana. After the uproar Juan Carlos was forced to resign as president of Spain's chapter of the WWF.
Earlier Juan Carlos had been pictured standing proudly in front of a killed elephant, on another safari.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/16/article-0-129AB55C000005DC-860_634x518.jpg)
https://3169.createaforum.com/firestarter-on-fire/rwanda-genocide-kagame-the-rpf-and-looting-the-congo/msg11330/#msg11330

do you reckon they are profess Christians?