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Christian Theology with DOUG and TED T. => Christian Threads => Topic started by: Olde Tymer on December 24, 2018, 06:31:51 am
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● Luke 2:1-12a . . Now it came about in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the inhabited earth. This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. And all were proceeding to register for the census, everyone to his own city.
. . . And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, in order to register, along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.
. . . And it came about that while they were there, the days were completed for her to give birth. And she gave birth to her first-born son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
● Luke 2:1-12b. . . And in the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened.
. . . And the angel said to them: Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find the babe wrapped in cloths, and lying in a manger.
The koiné Greek word for "savior' is soter (so-tare') which means a rescuer. Most everybody has seen rescuers in action at one time or another, e.g. Fireman, Cops, Emergency Medical teams, snow patrols, mountain rescue units, and the Coast Guard. Rescuers typically help people to safety who are in grave danger and/or distress and completely helpless to do anything about it.
Just how useful would the savior of Luke 2:8-12 really be if he couldn't guarantee a fail-safe, sin proof, commandment proof, human-error proof, God proof rescue from the wrath of God and full time protection from retribution? He'd be no savior at all; he'd be more like a coach or a manager than a rescuer.
But if instead, the savior announced by the angel guarantees anybody who wants it, a completely free of charge, no strings attached, fail-safe, sin proof, commandment proof, human-error proof, God proof rescue from the wrath of God, and full-time protection from retribution; wouldn't he qualify as good news of great joy? I think everyone would have to agree with me that a savior like that would not only most certainly be good news; but also cause for celebration.
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● Luke 2:1-12a . . Now it came about in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the inhabited earth. This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. And all were proceeding to register for the census, everyone to his own city.
. . . And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, in order to register, along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.
. . . And it came about that while they were there, the days were completed for her to give birth. And she gave birth to her first-born son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
● Luke 2:1-12b. . . And in the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened.
. . . And the angel said to them: Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find the babe wrapped in cloths, and lying in a manger.
The koiné Greek word for "savior' is soter (so-tare') which means a rescuer. Most everybody has seen rescuers in action at one time or another, e.g. Fireman, Cops, Emergency Medical teams, snow patrols, mountain rescue units, and the Coast Guard. Rescuers typically help people to safety who are in grave danger and/or distress and completely helpless to do anything about it.
Just how useful would the savior of Luke 2:8-12 really be if he couldn't guarantee a fail-safe, sin proof, commandment proof, human-error proof, God proof rescue from the wrath of God and full time protection from retribution? He'd be no savior at all; he'd be more like a coach or a manager than a rescuer.
But if instead, the savior announced by the angel guarantees anybody who wants it, a completely free of charge, no strings attached, fail-safe, sin proof, commandment proof, human-error proof, God proof rescue from the wrath of God, and full-time protection from retribution; wouldn't he qualify as good news of great joy? I think everyone would have to agree with me that a savior like that would not only most certainly be good news; but also cause for celebration.
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Amen brother, great post !!! Merry Christmas Olde Tymer
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● Luke 2:25-31 . . Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord's Christ. Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts.
. . .When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying: Sovereign Lord, as you have promised; dismiss now your servant in peace, for my eyes have seen your salvation, which you have prepared in the sight of all people.
The Greek word for "salvation" in Simeon's prayer is soterion (so-tay'-ree-on) which basically means defender. In this case, it's no doubt speaking of a public defender; viz: a court-appointed attorney.
God could charge for Jesus' service, but in His kindness, any fee He might have charged is waived; and everyone, regardless of their income level and/or social status, qualifies for assistance.
● John 6:37-38 . . All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will certainly not refuse.
"Whoever" is a pretty big word. It leaves nobody out in the cold with nowhere else to turn.
Q: Defends against what?
A: Rev 20:11-15 depicts a courtroom scene to which people will be subpoenaed to appear and answer charges against them.
Q: So? What can Jesus do for me; make sure I get a fair trial before being thrown alive and screaming into the lake of fire depicted in that scene?
A: Should you enlist Jesus for legal aid, he knows how to get any and all charges against you dropped; so that on the books, it will appear as if you've always been nothing less than 100% innocent. In other words: Jesus knows a perfectly legitimate way to get his clients acquitted regardless of the severity of their sins against God.
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● Luke 2:25-31 . . Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord's Christ. Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts.
. . .When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying: Sovereign Lord, as you have promised; dismiss now your servant in peace, for my eyes have seen your salvation, which you have prepared in the sight of all people.
The Greek word for "salvation" in Simeon's prayer is soterion (so-tay'-ree-on) which basically means defender. In this case, it's no doubt speaking of a public defender; viz: a court-appointed attorney.
God could charge for Jesus' service, but in His kindness, any fee He might have charged is waived; and everyone, regardless of their income level and/or social status, qualifies for assistance.
● John 6:37-38 . . All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will certainly not refuse.
"Whoever" is a pretty big word. It leaves nobody out in the cold with nowhere else to turn.
Q: Defends against what?
A: Rev 20:11-15 depicts a courtroom scene to which people will be subpoenaed to appear and answer charges against them.
Q: So? What can Jesus do for me; make sure I get a fair trial before being thrown alive and screaming into the lake of fire depicted in that scene?
A: Should you enlist Jesus for legal aid, he knows how to get any and all charges against you dropped; so that on the books, it will appear as if you've always been nothing less than 100% innocent. In other words: Jesus knows a perfectly legitimate way to get his clients acquitted regardless of the severity of their sins against God.
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Olde Tymer...you said:"What can Jesus do for me; make sure I get a fair trial before being thrown alive and screaming into the lake of fire depicted in that scene?"
Unless you are talking to those souls that reside in HELL, I am not sure who you are talking to??? Those who believed in Jesus and were part of His Church (Body/Bride) of Christ, have been in heaven for over 1000 years by the time of the White Throne Judgement. They have already been judged and will receive no more judgement..
It appears your ramblings here are dangerous to a person's eternal soul.
The other part is that you have reduced Jesus Christ down to a lawyer?? You said:"Should you enlist Jesus for legal aid, he knows how to get any and all charges against you dropped"
The very title Jesus warns against in:
Luke 14:46....."And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers."
I know you did not mean anything by it but one needs to be a little more careful, I would think?
BladeI concur.
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