Flat Earth Forums | Conspiracy | Theology | Philosophy

Flat Earth and Conspiracy Theory => (click here) Flat Earth => Topic started by: patrick jane on July 31, 2018, 10:18:46 am

Title: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 31, 2018, 10:18:46 am
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/99/ea/fe/99eafee89a0f2f0c0526a57defa13ac4.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/19/8c/7b/198c7b336085f9aa611002d881ad52c8.jpg)







Biblical Cosmology

We'll get into "science" after this first few posts.


The Ancient Conflict : According to scripture we are all born into a spiritual war. It's an invisible war and it's not broadcast on the evening news. The vast majority of people are oblivious to this.

When the serpent entered the garden and tempted Eve and hence, Adam, to disobey God and as a result, sin and death entered the flat earth and put a curse on humanity. Some time after when mankind continued to populate the earth, the first full assault on humanity was launched.

It could be likened to an alien invasion except these fallen entities didn't come from a distant galaxy or some far off star "system". They descended from above (hard to do on a globe), and together they conspired to abandon their assigned posts in the firmament. Where the ether carried their luminescence to the Four Corners of the earth.

These watcher angels had fallen from their first estate which God set for them (scriptural proof available for all of my Biblical references). They came down and began a sort of colonization or campaign. They sired the Nephilum, their hybrid abomination offspring, who ravaged the land and fed on men. They corrupted the genetics of humanity, animals and plants.

Using the knowledge they had been given by God to perform their original tasks in the heavens, they proceeded to teach mankind many forbidden things. In order to civilize man and equip them to build cities and kingdoms where these fallen angelic beings could rule as gods.

The knowledge bestowed to mankind was presented as being "keys" to enlightenment and the know-how to eventually take our seats beside them as gods, through "technology". These were all lies bringing nothing but destruction, perversion, wickedness and death. God finally became so grieved by man's evil and wickedness and the corruption of His creation He chose to destroy the earth with water and begin again.

Sparing one worthy family and the animals that they took. When the water receded the earth had been cleansed from the evil that was destroying it. God promised Noah that He would never again destroy with water and set a rainbow in the sky as a sign of this covenant. The great empires of the watchers had been erased.

Only 11 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5iaBplT7QI

The angels that conspired against God were banished to the deepest bowels of the earth, held there in darkness until the time of the final judgement of all things. But no sooner than the earth started filling again with trees and plants and animals etc., and mankind was multiplying in the earth again did the enemy start working seeking to rebuild what God destroyed.

satan's beloved empire whose sole purpose was the destruction and enslavement of mankind. But no longer did the enemy have the power to send his minions to the earth to take wives and build cities. No longer could they walk among men and be revered. The satanic kingdom now had to be done though the worshiping of invisible deities forced to orchestrate their rule through interdimensional communication.

Since God had bound them behind a spiritual veil, once again forbidden knowledge was spread among these newly formed nations. So in the courts of all the human kingdoms worked a host of occult priesthoods, sorcerers, mediums, astrologers and practitioners of divination.

People started sacrificing to these false idols to show their loyalty to the false gods, building temples, having orgies and such. The rebellion against God resumed as Nimrod attempted and failed to build a tower into the heavens and throughout all of the kingdoms of the earth the languages were confused by God.

After centuries go by and the wickedness and occult and pagan practices were increasing, God chose to intervene again.




4 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF0uhXrJGTg

The Conspiracy That Is Not
I will create a spoiler to contain this post but for now, this is a basic and short explanation of why there is no huge conspiracy with flat earth. Number one is nobody believes flat earth.

Just an update. I have a lot to cover with this subject and hopefully the first dozen posts give a good overview of Biblical Flat Earth. I haven't gotten to the scriptures yest but I will. Please look at the post at the top of this page also.

The biggest question people have and the biggest reason they will not research flat earth is because they think millions or at least tens of thousands of people would have to be "in on it" - Not so. Only 24 people are alleged to have ever been high enough to see a globe from space. Most are deceased. 24 people and whoever might have seen REAL ACTUAL IMAGES.

Conspiracies work on levels, layers. Like an onion. Everybody already believes in a globe so it's not hard to keep something a secret. Pilots don't goe high enough, satellite employees and contractors each do individual things with no knowledge of what they do in fake space.

The calculations and specifications are set to a globe because that's how they set them. They can easily use the same mathematics in flat earth. They don't know. GPS employees and Direct TV employees don't know. None of the above mentioned people CAN know.

So who is left? Lifetime appointed military and intelligence people and very few I would imagine. No temporary employee politicians will ever know. Trump has no clue. Perhaps certain world leaders and powerful men have know.

Even Einstein had no clue. No picture until 1972 and that's the ONLY one. Make sense? The point is that this is NOT a massive conspiracy involving millions of people that either lie or are just to stupid to know they are being duped.

Think about this. The globe only exists in your mind. No real images exist. Cartoons. CGI. Photo Shop. Artist drawings. Digital Creations. Outer Space is only in the movies and TV. You have NEVER seen it but by looking at the sky. Billions of people are in love with fake space pictures and propaganda. The globe in only in your imagination.

Imagine that the Holy Bible is true and that we are the center and focus of God's creation. We are in an enclosed flat earth and cosmos with a dome firmament above. Exactly like the Bible says. If you research the history of the occult and how it became science and the history of controlled cosmology and all of the numerous connections you'll see what I see. 8 months so far.






PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube back up: patrick jane forums  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute :  https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/patrick_jane_ephesians6/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Gab :  https://gab.com/patrick_jane
Facebook :  https://www.facebook.com/mentalist3169
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/


Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 31, 2018, 10:22:42 am
A New Nation : God intervened again by setting apart a nation, a people, a kingdom to bear His name. From Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, down through Moses, Aaron and Joshua, Judges like Samson and Gideon, Kings like David and Solomon, Prophets like Elijah, Daniel and Samuel. Through the rise and fall of many demonic empires.

The God of all creation revealed Himself and His plan to redeem humanity from the curse of sin (and later as in now, the curse of the law), and death and demonic oppression. Finally, from the town of Nazareth the Promised Messiah emerged, the Son of God, the Word made flesh, whose sacrifice would free the world from the curse, who would save mankind and make it possible for us to be reborn in the Spirit.

Jesus Christ would now live IN us, and from that point until present the spiritual war took on a new twist. For decades and centuries after the resurrection the word of and truth of God began to spread through Christianity. Freeing mankind from the bondage of sin that had held them captive for generations. For the first time since the flood, people began to understand who and what they had been in servitude to the pagan kingdoms.

Throughout Asia, Europe and parts of Africa, the truth of God and Christ kept spreading, increasing, declining and increasing again over centuries. satan used his puppet emperors of the Roman empire to torture, imprison and persecute the first Christians. This only revealed more the power of the gospel of Christ and the hope of eternal life that He brought to bear.

Faith in Christ spread abroad. The Roman empire crumbled under it's own heathen weight. Now satan began to re-brand his agenda from trying to crush the spread of the truth of Christ to usurping it. Now satan began re-branding some of the old demonic kingdoms and demonic occult priesthoods and "Christianizing" them.

Seducing people with wealth, power and earthly pleasures and corrupt the Church of Christ from within. Pagan temples were "re-purposed" as Christian temples, pagan rites and rituals were re-purposed into Christian ceremonies etc. The Catholic church played a big role and still do. But nearer the beginnings and for centuries, scores of thousands of people were kept far from the Bible.

But by the grace of God the truth endured and the gospel spread. The age of Imperialism came and despite the evils of Imperialism, the gospel spread with it's spread though ships and colonization. The kingdom of satan was amplified but he was continually forced to work from the shadows. The occult knowledge and pagan rituals that went back to ancient Babylon were preserved through the centuries by various strains of secret societies, esoteric mystery schools and underground brotherhoods.

This is where it remained for the most part, in the shadows, but as much control over the earth that satan had through governments, military and financial means, the truth of God was so widespread that hardly anyone OPENLY worshiped Lucifer. Witchcraft and Luciferian beliefs were not something that populations as a whole would readily and openly accept.

This is something that satan would have to achieve if he were to rule the world and declare himself to be God. In order to get the world back to where satan wanted it he had to implement another strategy. Something so big that eve those who know that satan exists wouldn't thin he could pull off. In ancient times and even recently people were still aware of the realm that God created for us to live in.

When the truth of Jesus Christ was made known, the Biblical Cosmology had been given it's full context. The distinction between the creator and creation was made clear and the futility of the fallen angels' rebellion was made plain to see. In order for satan to claim he is the supreme being and worthy of our worship, he would have to rewrite the entire script.

He would have to repackage himself and his message he reset the setting and the stage itself like an old Shakespearean play to reintroduce the old characters. satan needed a whole new angle. Yet he did it with an old familiar tactic. Bestowing ancient wisdom and forbidden knowledge to humanity again, playing upon our pride and arrogance.


This occult knowledge and "gnosis" was now called SCIENCE.



Science and the Occult
Much of the groundwork had already been laid in ancient Greece and the "Philosophers" who actually studied the occult practices and mystery schools before Jesus was born. They then proceeded to pontificate on these demonic occult practices and pagan rituals.This effectively sanitized these beliefs and practices because they were legitimized by these philosophers.

Later generations saw these men as wise and educated and simply the profound thoughts and musings of mere men. During the Renaissance in Europe, many of these ideas once again began to take hold as they were increasingly considered harmonious with the Bible, which we know is not true. Slowly these ideas became embedded within theology and theologians and academia, as well as things related to Hermes Trismegistus and the like.

All of this translated into Latin and disseminated among intellectuals with interest in such material. The Kabbala too began being studied anew by many monks and "thinkers" and together with writings on Alchemy which "allegedly" came from Muslim mystics, these three veins of occult knowledge began to spread.

How little do most students realize that the bulk of those individuals revered today as being the pioneers and visionaries of materialistic science were in fact greatly influenced by concepts, teachings of occult manuscripts with the core tenets of Mysticism. Da Vinci, Newton, Francis Bacon, Robert Flood, Copernicus, all names we learn about in "school".

We learn that these men simply derived their genius discoveries by way of pure observation and logical deduction. However, a further look at the methods and ways they arrived at their "discoveries" and conclusions while all coincidentally reading the same occult mystic materials reveals that no, these "discoveries" were also in ancient mystic teachings.

The Copernican cosmology of a vast universe and planetary systems and even a Big Bang to start it all off can be found in the Kabbalistic texts from long before Copernicus. The concepts of molecules, atoms and chemical reactions, elemental transmutations by way of atomic fusion and fission, were first presented in the more imprecise writings of Alchemy.

The idea that nature and the cosmos were governed by invisible forces and laws which could be discovered and calculated and reapplied through various technological means, are actually underlying precepts of hermeticism. With a lot of help from the well financed occult brotherhoods and secret societies, such as the Rosa Crucians and Freemasons, Jesuits and the Royal Academy, the first institution dedicated to the advancement of "scientific" understanding.

The "universe" suddenly got very very BIG and God became very very removed. To the point that it was believed that the universe could have formed without God. Models of the Copernican THEORY were expanded and refined. Darwin stepped in to explain how LIFE could have emerged from the primordial ooze long after the had formed after billions of years.

Universities and Lecture Halls largely built, staffed and maintained by the same wealthy "brotherhoods", secret societies and organizations, became hostile territory to anyone who opposed the n"newly discovered" science. The "universe was now presented as a vast almost infinite space with our tiny blue planet somewhere in the middle perhaps.

And now we might "control" this "planet" but we may not be alone. In fact, it's now fairly reasonable to believe alien life exists, even extremely intelligent and advanced life forms. So the stage was set and the same set of characters could emerge with new costumes, they exchanged the robes for white lab coats and space suits.

The 20th century
So much happened in a 100 year span compared to all the centuries before, it would be difficult and daunting to try covering it all here. In a nutshell, satan has established a new but old way of doing business and facilitating and "managing" ways to bring the fallen entities back to earth.

In the halls of academia this science so called can now theoretically disperse the idea the "something" could could come down to earth as in "Aliens" for instance, and so the dimensional or spiritual veil must be considered again.

The barrier that God seems to have put in place to stop the watchers before the Flood. Could fallen angels once again reveal themselves to mankind as alien "saviors" and put in place to "govern" satan's earthly kingdom? Can demonic spirits even now, manifest themselves in the physical realm, inhabiting people, moving objects and attacking individuals? Yes, I believe and at least "perhaps".

Yet the ability for the demonic to manifest in the physical world is still very limited. The Bible seems to indicate that this veil will remain in place until shortly before the return of Jesus Christ. When it will be removed and the spirit of the antichrist will have a period of unprecedented access to earth and humanity one last time before satan meets his own end.

I have a lot of questions and certainly don't have all the answers. I'm not an expert on Biblical eschatology or end times prophecy, and the rise of Scientism and it's roots in occultism. But my recent studies tell me and others that quantum physics and quantum mechanics play a significant role in what the Bible refers to and could be the Great Deception.

Atomism and the progression into modern atomic theory, string theory, dark matter and Massive Hadron Colliders. The atom has long been split with fearsome destructive power or energy producing sources. Has this quantum realm been undeniably proven? Has it? Is it simply coincidence that all of these occult connections exist?

Today's researchers, physics researchers and scientists point to an uncanny multitude of similarities with new age quantum ideas and theories and ancient Kabbalistic and ancient forms of hermeticism, Hindu and Alchemist writings.

Through the history of Atomism we see the familiar trend of an original mystical philosophy crafted into what is now considered only a knowledge and materialistic science base.

Ironically, we have been lead back to these original forms of hermeticism. Has mankind been tricked in to building the very "machines" that will serve as the key to unleashing a large number of entities from a dimensional prison. Led to believe that we are reaching for immortality, when really we are "playing God".

None of us had any idea this modern (last 500 years) was all Kabbalism because we were all told it was science. Science tells us now that string theory can't be debunked yet and that every other rival theory fails in exactly the 10th and the 26th dimensions.

No kidding, really? Just believe. Scientists and especially CERN and related fields idolize these occult ancient teachings, they rave about them and think it's magical. Seduced. Strong Delusion.

They admit, "it's as if somebody is playing a trick on us" and "we don't have a good way of looking at it" - Some think CERN is attempting to reach other dimensions and demonic realms. If you understand what divination is and how the Bible forbids it, because it includes contacting the demonic realms and this is what ALL of occultism really is.

Quantum entanglement is now used as a proof that the ancient occult teachings were correct, as a vindication of science. Of course there are many many more real materialistic scientists who disagree with the "leadership" of the scientific "community" and the tension builds.More and more people are looking at quantum physics as a source and a connection to spirituality, instead of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.

As we can see, the reasons for hiding the truth of the shape of the earth and the truth about the Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos are many. I have posted in this thread about how conspiracies work very smoothly and the "levels of knowledge" as well as the VERY FEW who could possibly have ever seen the earth from high enough in space or the REAL unaltered images which must exist.

Christians and non-Christians should be made aware and research these things and search the scriptures.

Youtube channel : - "the Truth is stranger than fiction" - Documentary Aethereal - The Battle For Heaven and Earth.


It's crazy to think that we've all been learning and teaching what is really Babylonian Mysticism.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6ytIWlIY4&t=972s






Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterst : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : (ftp://[color=teal) https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
My small Forum : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
My Website : https://patrickjane3169.wixsite.com/website
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Vimeo : https://vimeo.com/user87745391



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 01, 2018, 12:40:20 pm
So this is the latest lie from NASA - (Never A Straight Answer) - I'm not buying it, are you? Did they just happen to catch the "bright" side of the moon since we can never see the dark side of the moon here on earth? It's totally CGI or photo shop guaranteed, they all are if you examine the images with the needed software.

Antonio Paris
Planetary Scientist and Astronomy Professor at St. Petersburg College
19h
Earth and Moon as seen from the Messenger spacecraft on its way to Mercury.


(https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/bf5f0f08-af47-43bb-8d8a-c8e11826411e-large.png)
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 02, 2018, 12:16:20 am
From @Gleason92 :

"I would like to add a little more to this (from memory) before I carve out some time in the indeterminate future to fully support this claim. Here's the birds eye view of calculating the Moon distance deception.

After crunching the values you are left with one number, let's say for argument's sake that number is 27,000 (I made this up for argument's sake). Now the last step of the formula is to divide 27000 by a factor. We all know divide means to break the whole into smaller pieces. But there's a catch, if you divide any number into ANY value that's between 0-1 you actually have an answer that is GREATER than original.


For example:

8 pieces divided by 4=2 pieces.

But

8 pieces divided by 0.25=32 pieces.

This is one justification of just how sly and cunning this deception truly is. So if trig value for moon distance is 27000, you would divide by a number>1 and reach an answer<27000, in reality, like I alluded to, about 3000 miles. Ahhh but since we MUST account for curve we inject a variable that reduces our divisor to, surprise, a value in between 0-1 effectively increasing the total to>27000 or in this case the alleged 230 thousand miles or so of pure fantasy that is currently alleged as the distance today.

The videographed proof of this rests on YouTube and was presented by user Jeranism and friends. Here's the catch, I firmly believe Jeranism is cointelpro, BUT to remain credible, even the opposition must filter in truth from time to time. Not only is this a time but they placed video shots of the spreadsheet with the formulas on the screen and provided a detailed breakdown of every step of the calculation. So if you'd rather not wait for me to recreate, there's your source.



Masonic Globe Math

Here's the original globe and curvature math if I'm not mistaken :

8 inches per mile squared means as you add each mile to the formula, the curve gets steeper because it's allegedly a ball

So1 mile=8 inches*(1 mile^2)=8 inch "downward sloping curve" 1 mile out, or let's say we want to express that value in feet. 8 inches/12 inches (one foot)=0.666 feet
10 miles=8 inches*(10^2)=800 inches or 66.6 feet
100 miles=8 inches*(100^2)=80,000 inches or 6,666 feet

And this :



(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/0c/42/f9/0c42f9bd088406d0e906e84ae1e64567.jpg)


Fun math related fact readers. I learned that the distance to the Moon, currently alleged to be about 230,000 miles away requires a special "curvature variable" in the trig formula to conclude this ridiculous value. When you apply the directly observed values to the trigonometry formula, surprise the Moon is about 3,000 miles away. I can revisit my source and lay the formula out here if requested, but it could take some time.

Now to Eratosthenes. His stick experiment "works" because you must assume large and far away sun. If you assume local smaller (think 3,000 miles away, same as moon, as also depicted by the Masons) sun and flat Earth, his experiment yields the same results." My Eratosthenes video is coming soon !!!

Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 02, 2018, 11:38:16 am
So basically, the Bible tells us that there is a dome above the earth, that the earth never moves and the sun and moon DO move and many other descriptions in the Bible can only be for an enclosed flat earth. The military nuked the dome and mapped it using nuclear weapons in the early 60s. elevision and radio waves are used in conjuction with the dome. Now, NASA (Never A Straight Answer) comes out with this garbage, as they always do for "damage control". This is a very interesting link that I found.


May 17, 2017
Space Science Reviews.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...-probes-spot-man-made-barrier-shrouding-earth

NASA's Van Allen Probes Spot Man-Made Barrier Shrouding Earth

Humans have long been shaping Earth’s landscape, but now scientists know we can shape our near-space environment as well. A certain type of communications — very low frequency, or VLF, radio communications — have been found to interact with particles in space, affecting how and where they move. At times, these interactions can create a barrier around Earth against natural high energy particle radiation in space. These results, part of a comprehensive paper on human-induced space weather, were recently published in Space Science Reviews.

What a joke - "they believe that . . . Maybe , , Uhh . . Maybe it . . Hah, they have no clue because everything has to be like it is . . . With no God !!!

1 minute

https://youtu.be/cFYoYUBGw4s


“A number of experiments and observations have figured out that, under the right conditions, radio communications signals in the VLF frequency range can in fact affect the properties of the high-energy radiation environment around the Earth,” said Phil Erickson, assistant director at the MIT Haystack Observatory, Westford, Massachusetts.



VLF signals are transmitted from ground stations at huge powers to communicate with submarines deep in the ocean. While these waves are intended for communications below the surface, they also extend out beyond our atmosphere, shrouding Earth in a VLF bubble. This bubble is even seen by spacecraft high above Earth’s surface, such as NASA’s Van Allen Probes, which study electrons and ions in the near-Earth environment.



The probes have noticed an interesting coincidence — the outward extent of the VLF bubble corresponds almost exactly to the inner edge of the Van Allen radiation belts, a layer of charged particles held in place by Earth’s magnetic fields. Dan Baker, director of the University of Colorado’s Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics in Boulder, coined this lower limit the “impenetrable barrier” and speculates that if there were no human VLF transmissions, the boundary would likely stretch closer to Earth. Indeed, comparisons of the modern extent of the radiation belts from Van Allen Probe data show the inner boundary to be much farther away than its recorded position in satellite data from the 1960s, when VLF transmissions were more limited.



With further study, VLF transmissions may serve as a way to remove excess radiation from the near-Earth environment. Plans are already underway to test VLF transmissions in the upper atmosphere to see if they could remove excess charged particles — which can appear during periods of intense space weather, such as when the sun erupts with giant clouds of particles and energy.




Related Links

More information about NASA’s Van Allen Probes
By Mara Johnson-Groh
NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.

Media contact: Sarah Frazier, NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.

Last Updated: Aug. 6, 2017
Editor: Rob Garner

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/50/3c/0d/503c0d22142f0ec02ddd7f0b8b77290a.jpg)







Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterst : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
My small Forum : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
My Website : https://patrickjane3169.wixsite.com/website
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Vimeo : https://vimeo.com/user87745391



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -




.

Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 02, 2018, 01:24:45 pm
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8a/cf/98/8acf98487ba790f2af5c56abdc3876ba.jpg)


(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/56/16/cf/5616cf7096fcd5613840378543ee9fa8.jpg)


(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/3b/36/bd/3b36bd297378b819493b68e7443d5472.jpg)
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 03, 2018, 10:12:49 am
From my good friend Gleason92 @ Theology Forums, the BIG Forum that I operate. Gleason is more advanced in his research, study and knowledge of flat earth than me perhaps and has years of experience behind him whereas I'm only 8 months into my study & research. Things are heating up in the top echelons of the flat earth "spokespeople" :


The flood as we know was not simply a rainstorm rather the windows of heaven opened so I would gather the levels could be higher than our current ice wall and could have reached the base of the dome beyond the wall. The ice wall may not have even existed in the days of Noah, before the great flood and the current ice could be a remnant from the great flood.

We will never know because the field of academic science and the longest running treaty in the history of humanity has a vested interest in ensuring we never know.

I mean this flood created the geologic column that academia deceptively uses as proof of old Earth while never admitting the perfectly reasonable alternative....a cataclysmic flood could have caused enough trauma to the sample, in a MUCH shorter timeframe, to yield the same results.

This is why it's silly that we are essentially reduced to "who has the biggest..... College credentials". It's the last vestige of a losing argument that begins with willful ignorance of what's already posted in these 70+ pages.

Of course going the "credential" route also can lead to Dr. Robert Sungenis, who is way more studied in academia than the likes of Cobra and xenn and after about 10 years of digging deep into the material concluded we live in a geocentric universe, which your may ascribe to as well and is just a stone's throw from flat Earth truth.

I must admit I have egg on my face. PJ has been promoting the documentary "the principle" for quite some time. I never carved out the time to watch it and felt a little guilty about that.

Now for those serious about flat Earth truth, this is the place to start.

What I didn't really realize, was this was the Kate Mulgrew narrated documentary and I watched it already in 2015 or 2016. See the documentary came out in in October of 14 I believe but there was this hoopla in MSM the prior April because the geniuses in academia cried they were bamboozled into looking foolish for supporting heliocentricity on a geocentrist documentary.

Those fake news articles the prior April were where I first stumbled on the great documentary. Secondly, I only knew of Dr. Sungenis from his Catholic apologetic work, I didn't know he was both a geocentrist since 2003 and the guy who made the principle.

Now, full disclosure, Dr. Sungenis believes the Earth is NOT flat. But the difference between the likes of him vs. A cobra or xenn is he both understands and respects the position and speaks to it intelligently using his education to engage in actual talking points. What he doesn't do is show silly pictures and handwave away all the ahem *problems* with the globe model.

If you have any interest, the latest developments in flat Earth truth are very intriguing.....

Kent Hovind is sick of addressing flat Earth questions directed to him so he recently partnered with Dr. Sungenis to tell the world how wrong we are. But Hovind is a heliocentrist so it's the old enemy of my enemy is my friend.

They then targeted Rob Skiba as the representative of flat Earth. Hovind then challenged Skiba to a debate, this all unfolded the past 2 weeks or so.

Skiba officially responded with a counter offer since it's not exactly fair with 2 on 1. Skiba said Hovind vs. Sungenis debate first on helio vs Geo and he'll debate the winner on flat Earth.

Hovind is pretending that's a solid no to his debate request so he's pretended to move on. I believe yesterday or today is the deadline for Hovind to respond. So if Hovind is a no to the debate, he loses and Skiba vs. Sungenis.

Well last night Skiba uploaded a one hour 45 minute interview between himself and Sungenis that is very enlightening and I highly recommend everyone watches
it.



https://youtu.be/kY4Wkdq0neg







Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterst : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
My small Forum : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
My Website : https://patrickjane3169.wixsite.com/website
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Vimeo : https://vimeo.com/user87745391



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 04, 2018, 10:52:42 am
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/27/40/86/2740869c47716d28137f1e82700a83d6.jpg)



In my mind and with agreement in the flat earth community, the earth is the parts we know and live in surrounded by oceans. In the enclosed flat earth, the oceans are held in by an ice wall that circles what we call earth and thereby containing the water. As the images previous in this thread show and we all know that water MUST BE CONTAINED.

This also lines up perfectly with scripture as shown below as well as in other scriptures. In addition, it is believed that there could be hundreds, at least, or maybe thousands of miles of frozen unreachable land and ice and who knows? BEYOND the 360 degree circle of ice that surrounds us, and are the "bounds" for the waters in the earth, set by God according to scripture. This unknown land and ice and frozen tundra can't be reached and the "edge" can't be found because of distance, temps, weather, fuel capacity, communications and other factors.


People ask about the Four Corners of the earth in scripture and I say the land beyond the ice wall circle COUL D form a square shape with the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, (Isaiah 40:22 KJV - and he knew the difference between a ball and circle , as proven in scripture) and thus forming the Four Corners as shown in the image. Everything makes sense to me in this entire deception and flat earth reality of this earth. Please, never take my word for anything and research for yourself because that's the only way you can decide.



Proverbs 8:23-31 KJV -

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.






Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterst : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
My small Forum : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
My Website : https://patrickjane3169.wixsite.com/website
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Vimeo : https://vimeo.com/user87745391



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17- Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 06, 2018, 02:42:46 pm
On the second page of this thread or maybe the third page of this thread I will devote a whole page of 15 posts with scripture and Biblical evidence for a Flat Motionless Earth and an Enclosed Earth and Cosmos. This thread will not be for debating flat earth but I have a Debunking Flat Earth Thread here where I will debate all comers, even groups of globers.

Until the next two pages get here enjoy the first posts and videos and thank you for thinking on your own. Research in your spare time and in a few months you can make an educated decision based on the evidence and/or lack of evidence from both sides.

Please, if you begin to research this you must know that the Flat Earth Society is a Fake organization and does NOT represent true Flat Earthers. You don't have to be a Christian to believe what the Bible says or to consider the reality of the earth we live in.



(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c5/8c/37/c58c377e17d7b67517932d67cb124a76.jpg) (https://i.pinimg.com/564x/89/36/21/89362164500f17e035ad4de9b7dfaaf9.jpg)




Here is a good video showing what science claims the earth, solar system and galaxy are doing non-stop for 4.7 billion years straight. No fricking way Jose !!! That is NOT what God tells us in the Bible many times over. The video is FOR a globe and is showing what they THINK we are doing. They go sar far as to say - "look the movement of the planets form a Vortex as they fly through space and Vortex means life !!!" What a joke, and most people believe it with no questions. Strong Delusion.


3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HIjy52YZqA

Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 07, 2018, 04:05:38 am
(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvbible.org%2Fimages%2Fpagelogo.png&hash=f3234207ec20129f1c688c3b3551f281)

(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvbible.org%2FLifts%2Ffirmament.png&hash=4389173fb415d62c69f183132031b91d)



On the second day in the Genesis narrative the Lord calls for there to be a "firmament" in the "midst of the waters" to divide the waters:

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
(Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

The term "firmament" and its identity has been one of the greatest puzzles concerning the Creation account, mostly because of its Hebrew definition:

רָקִיעַ raqiya` raw-kee'-ah
from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.

רָקַע raqa` raw-kah'
a primitive root; to pound the earth (as a sign of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.


Most people interpret this to mean just the expanse of the sky (the atmosphere) or outer space, or both (which it is), but the full meaning goes well beyond that simplistic interpretation. The creation of the firmament is associated with the placement of some sort of structure.

Many modern scholars consign the term "firmament" as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word raqia as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles. It is rendered as "firmament" in the KJV. The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament). That structure and word choice can be explained in the context of the Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation of Genesis.

Young Earth Creationists have interpreted the "waters above the firmament" as a theoretical "water canopy" which once surrounded the Earth but no longer exists. They cite this as their source for the waters of Noah's flood. This is incorrect, and a concept that does not exactly hold water (pun intended) when closely examined within the literal framework of the Bible's Genesis narrative. The reason is because of what is said in this passage:


"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."
(Genesis 1:14-16 KJV)


This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "in" the firmament. Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those waters that are "above the firmament" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. That means these waters are above the visible cosmos. For some this is a hard pill to swallow, but that is exactly what the Bible is saying.

"Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens."
(Psalms 148:4 KJV)

The Bible says that all wisdom and knowledge is found in the Lord Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word of God (see Colossians 2:3). The same holds true for the Holy Scriptures, the written Word of God. According to the Scriptures, there is a physical/spiritual structure to the universe. The Apostle Paul makes reference to the importance of this knowledge in the book of Ephesians where he wrote:

"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."
(Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV)

Pay close attention to the structure of the grammar. Paul is speaking about two different things in this passage. The first is the structure of things, "the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;" and the second is, "to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge." The important key word here is the conjunction "And" which separates the two clauses. In other words, Paul is saying there are two things the believer can and should know. 1) The dimensions and structure of all things, which can be defined. 2) The love of Christ, which is beyond full comprehension by man. A corollary to the truth of this passage is found in this Old Testament proverb:

"The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings [is] unsearchable."
(Proverbs 25:3 KJV)

The firmament deals with the structure of the present heavens and Earth (Genesis 2:1), as opposed to the structure of the original heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). There is presently a three (3) heavens structure. In the old world of the original creation, there was a different configuration. Let's look back to Genesis 1:6 again and more closely examine that verse to determine that present structure and review something that we previously just touched on:

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so."
(Gen 1:6-7 KJV)
[/b][/size]

(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvbible.org%2Fimages%2F3heavens.jpg&hash=d87fc70116afe03859191936e249d08e)

http://www.kjvbible.org/firmament.html


On the second day of the creation, the Lord God "divided" the waters (plural) of the great "deep" into two parts with a "firmament" in the midst. According to Genesis 1:10, both the waters that were upon the face of the Earth and the waters which He placed ABOVE the firmament He called "Seas":

"And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good."
(Gen 1:10 KJV)

This is important to understand. We know that the waters on the Earth are called "Seas" in the Bible, but there is also another "Sea" that is spoken of in the Scriptures, and that one is above the firmament. (Special note: Notice that the word "Sea" is capitalized at Genesis 1:10 in the KJV Bible). But, exactly where is "ABOVE" the firmament? During the seven days of the Genesis regeneration the Lord God defined Three Heavens. The first heaven is the Earth's atmosphere:

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."
(Gen 1:20 KJV)

The second heaven is the vast expanse of the physical universe - outer space as we call it:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
(Gen 1:14 KJV)

These two heavens constitute a continuum called the "firmament," and this firmament is collectively called "Heaven":

"And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
(Gen 1:8 KJV)

The Third Heaven is above this upper "Sea," and this higher sea is below the Throne of God:

"And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind."
(Revelation 4:6 KJV)

Therefore, this particular "Sea" above the firmament is above the known physical universe. Since the sun, moon and stars are "in" the firmament this Sea MUST be above them. This is difficult for the science of man to fathom, but it is a Scriptural fact on cosmology. It represents a firm and impassable barrier between the world of man (below) and the abode of God (above). Here are some additional verses in the Bible which refer to this particular Sea:

"Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens."
(Psalms 148:4 KJV)

This is the "sea" that John saw in his visions:

"And before the throne [there was] a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind."
(Rev 4:6 KJV)

This is a present "sea" of separation that will no longer exist when God destroys the old world and makes all things new after the 1,000-year Kingdom of Heaven and the final judgment that follows:

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
(Revelation 21:1 KJV)

This "sea" is also spoken of in Exodus 20:11, the verse frequently quoted by Young Earth Creationists as a proof text to support their doctrine:


"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
(Exodus 20:11 KJV)

The reference to "the sea" in the above verse is a reference to the sea established above the firmament, NOT to any sea on the Earth's surface. Look at the English grammar of the verse. The heaven and Earth are set apart as separate and distinct entities and so is "the sea." That sea above the firmament was not made until the second day of Genesis. There is something even more important to notice about these waters above the firmament. Look again at the passage concerning the second day:

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
(Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

Something is missing there. Do you remember what was said previously? This work on the second day is the ONLY day in the Genesis narrative where the Lord does NOT say it "was good." Therefore, when you consider the statement the Lord makes in Genesis 1:31where He says that all that was made was "very good"...

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
(Genesis 1:31 KJV)

...it must be considered so in the context of circumstances. The context is the overall work of Reconstruction from Ruin and the preparation of the Earth and a new world for Man. The term "very good" does not mean "perfect," and the sea of separation placed between the world above and the world below was not good, but necessary. It would not be until the work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross that a way would be made for crossing that barrier (the sea, or waters, above the firmament).

The diagram below shows a comparison of these things to the structure and layout of Moses' Tabernacle, which is the same basic arrangement used in the layouts of the First and Second Jewish Temples in Jerusalem.


(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvbible.org%2Fimages%2Ftabcompare.jpg&hash=f79c36868b8216ff7c68cbb34dbc468f)

The "Sea" under discussion is a barrier between the second and third heavens, represented by the veil between the 'Holy Place' and 'Holiest of All.' The 'Brazen Alter' represents the Earth where the sacrifice was to be made. The 'Laver' in Moses' Tabernacle, and the 'Molten Sea' (see below) in Solomon's Temple, were places for the priests to wash themselves before entering the 'Holy Place'.

(https://3169.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjvbible.org%2Fimages%2Fmoltensea.jpg&hash=9ce00485331e42c966aa3b8c04422d1e)

The Third Heaven

This now gives us a better understanding of what the Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he speaks of a place called the "third heaven":

"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven."
(2 Cor. 12:2 KJV)

Although the "third heaven" is not directly mentioned in the Genesis narrative, the established structure of all things is defined in Ezekiel 1:22 KJV)

The reason it appears like a smooth, crystal surface is because it is frozen:

"The waters are hid as [with] a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen."
(Job 38:30 KJV)

"And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness."
(Exodus 24:10 KJV)

It is also likened to glass:

"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."
(Revelation 15:2 KJV)

With this understanding of what exactly the Firmament is and the structure of all things that God made during the seven days, many things that were previously obscure suddenly take on real meaning and enrich the reader's understanding.

In summary, here is the structure of the physical world as it now exists from the face of the Earth upwards:

The lower sea of physical waters (our seas and oceans)
The first heaven (the atmosphere)
The second heaven (outer space)
The sea above outer space and below the third heaven (a sea of separation)
And above it all, there is the Third Heaven.
"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."
(Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV)

The structure of the heavens is a recurring theme throughout the Bible. It is reinforced (in typology) throughout the Bible. For example, it is likened to the floors of a building, which we call "stories" and, sure enough, the same word is even used in the KJV Bible. It is used to describe the design of the heavens:

"[It is] he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name."
(Amos 9:6 KJV)

http://www.kjvbible.org/firmament.html

Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterst : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
My small Forum : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
My Website : https://patrickjane3169.wixsite.com/website
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Vimeo : https://vimeo.com/user87745391


Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 08, 2018, 10:36:37 am
This is a post by Gleason92 from Theology Forums, the Big Forum that I run. This post is just a glimpse of his expertise in debating this extremely important topic. I'm not even close to his level and he may post here once a month or more, God willing. This is a response from Gleason 92 to a typical "highly" educated (self professed on the interwebnet), FE Troll.


Gleason92 :

Xenn, stand in any hotel hallway, any one, but avoid the super 8s, I learned the hardway a few years back, you get what you pay for.

Standing in the hallway and looking straight to the other end you will notice all the wall lights slightly descending. Follow that perspective logically and the bottom begins to disappear first the further away the light is from the viewer on a flat path. Simple.

8 inches per mile squared is you spherical "curvature gradient", it doesn't change on a ball (and no we're not talking about elevation gradient so save the mountains), pick any one of the infinite points and from that starting point, it's 8 inches per mile squared in any direction; if that cannot be empirically supported, you could be Stephen Hawking trying to convince readers of sphericity to this plane and you'd still be just as wrong.

Xenn, are you the one or interplanner carrying on about the meteor showers? So the point of contention is that due to observable phenomena related to the Perseid shower we can confidently assert the Earth is a sphere traveling through space, revolving around the sun in full once a year, yet every August we pass through this asteroid belt which causes observable phenomena in our skies?

Ps-i almost forgot, we need "credentials" to engage in the discussion, so here's mine. I dropped out of elementary school after first grade. Unfortunately, I can't read or write. So as a result, I use a proxy in my stead to work a computer, read me the comments and dictate my replies back. But I'll put my almost completed first grade education up against your PhD any day when it comes to empirical support of curvature and any actual space imagery that makes sense and includes the objects claimed to exist "up there" and "on Earth", like polar caps or accurately sized continents.

You keep throwing this term gravity around like it's settled (I have a few anthropomorphic helium balloons that may disagree with your assertions) Ok, so let's clear the gravity waves and establish what it is before we point to it as some sort of "proof". I think that's only fair.

So, Scientifically Validate 'gravity', i.e.

1. What Phenomenon was Observed...?
2. Post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then EXPERIMENT that validates your claim...?
3. Highlight the "Independent Variable" that was used in the TEST...?
4. Post the Null Hypothesis that was Rejected/Falsified...?






Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterst : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
My small Forum : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
My Website : https://patrickjane3169.wixsite.com/website
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Vimeo : https://vimeo.com/user87745391



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 15, 2018, 11:39:33 am
Flat Earth Short Film - High Quality


This is a looping video. The actual video is 7 minutes and begins again. This is practice for bigger productions. Research Jesus Christ and then Research Flat Earth. Join my Flat Earth Forum Free -


7 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSODEOYiemw





Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzj...
Pinterst : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane...
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239...
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-j...
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...
My small Forum : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
My Website : https://patrickjane3169.wixsite.com/w...
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJ...
Vimeo : https://vimeo.com/user87745391



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 15, 2018, 08:52:08 pm
Just an update. I have a lot to cover with this subject and hopefully the first dozen posts give a good overview of Biblical Flat Earth. I haven't gotten to the scriptures yest but I will. Please look at the post at the top of this page also.

The biggest question people have and the biggest reason they will not research flat earth is because they think millions or at least tens of thousands of people would have to be "in on it" - Not so. Only 24 people are alleged to have ever been high enough to see a globe from space. Most are deceased. 24 people and whoever might have seen REAL ACTUAL IMAGES.

Conspiracies work on levels, layers. Like an onion. Everybody already believes in a globe so it's not hard to keep something a secret. Pilots don't goe high enough, satellite employees and contractors each do individual things with no knowledge of what they do in fake space.

The calculations and specifications are set to a globe because that's how they set them. They can easily use the same mathematics in flat earth. They don't know. GPS employees and Direct TV employees don't know. None of the above mentioned people CAN know.

So who is left? Lifetime appointed military and intelligence people and very few I would imagine. No temporary employee politicians will ever know. Trump has no clue. Perhaps certain world leaders and powerful men have know.

Even Einstein had no clue. No picture until 1972 and that's the ONLY one. Make sense? The point is that this is NOT a massive conspiracy involving millions of people that either lie or are just to stupid to know they are being duped.

Think about this. The globe only exists in your mind. No real images exist. Cartoons. CGI. Photo Shop. Artist drawings. Digital Creations. Outer Space is only in the movies and TV. You have NEVER seen it but by looking at the sky. Billions of people are in love with fake space pictures and propaganda. The globe in only in your imagination.

Imagine that the Holy Bible is true and that we are the center and focus of God's creation. We are in an enclosed flat earth and cosmos with a dome firmament above. Exactly like the Bible says. If you research the history of the occult and how it became science and the history of controlled cosmology and all of the numerous connections you'll see what I see. 8 months so far.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 19, 2018, 07:12:43 pm
The Devil Is In the Detail | When Science Interprets Scripture (RC Sproul & Flat Earth)



14 minutes
https://youtu.be/ydclWP0khhM



Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 30, 2018, 04:57:30 pm
The Firmament Caught On Video - Sprites





4 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09SPBPRRiaM




Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterst : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Flat Earth Forum : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
My Website : https://patrickjane3169.wixsite.com/website
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Vimeo : https://vimeo.com/user87745391




Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 03, 2018, 08:49:35 am
Learning Curve | Unveiling the Flat Earth ▶️️



40 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1DQSBI42Eg






Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin :  https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 09, 2018, 04:58:20 pm
Journey to the Center of the Flat Earth | North Pole Hidden Land ▶️️



Many ancient cultures shared similar beliefs in a sacred place at the north pole, often described as a harmonious paradise. The Norse would call it Agartha. For Hindus it's referred to as Paradesha. The Greeks knew it as Hyperborea. The Celtics called it Avalon. Buddhists call it Shambhala and in the Bible, it's refered to as the Garden of Eden.

That's just a few of the names. In fact, this place has been dubbed the land of a thousand names. At the center of this paradise is the axis mundi (also called the cosmic axis, world axis, world pillar, center of the world and world tree).

This is said to be the connection between Heaven and Earth. In Norse mythology we have yggdrasil which is the tree of life. Known as Mount Meru in Buddhist, Jain and Hindu cosmology. It's a central world mountain that reaches high into the heavens and resting above it is the north star. Join me as we take a journey to the center of the earth.

We will be going over ancient myths, if you want to call them that, and cosmologies, old maps including the Mercator map of the arctic that showed hidden land, and movies that depict worlds beyond the north pole, including the new Stephen King movie 'The Dark Tower', which depicts a dark tower at the center of the universe that is very similar to the north pole rupes nigra aka black rock.

Links:
Flat Earth Paradise: https://goo.gl/qXPKM7

Agartha: http://www.crystalinks.com/agartha.html

Hollow Earth: http://www.crystalinks.com/holloweart...

In search of Shambhala: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...

Unsolved Mysteries of Shambhala and Agartha:
http://humansarefree.com/2015/09/the-...

Mythology, Paradise, and the Inner World:
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ti...

Detailed description of 1606 Mercator Hondius Map of the Arctic (First Map of the North Pole): https://www.geographicus.com/P/Antiqu...

This may rightly be considered to be the world's first specific map of the North Pole. Mercator later reissued this map in an expanded format for his 1595 atlas. Following a number of important expeditions to the Arctic in subsequent 10 years, Mercator's successor Jodocus Hondius reissued the original 1595 map with a number of revolutionary and highly significant changes.

Our survey of this map must naturally being with the North Pole itself which Mercator envisions as a large black rock, the Rupes Nigra, surrounded by a great whirlpool into which four powerful rapid rivers flow. These rivers divide a massive continent-sized landmass into four distinct islands or countries.

In the midst of the four countries is a Whirl-pool, into which there empty these four indrawing Seas which divide the North. And the water rushes round and descends into the Earth just as if one were pouring it through a filter funnel. It is four degrees wide on every side of the Pole, that is to say eight degrees altogether. Except that right under the Pole there lies a bare Rock in the midst of the Sea. Its circumference is almost 33 French miles, and it is all of magnetic Ston


13 minutes - Great Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRhZI29lr3I&t=0s&list=WL&index=31





Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin :  https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -

Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 13, 2018, 12:35:35 pm
BEST NASA FAILS AND FRAUD COMPILATION


Do you have a hard time convincing your friends and loved ones that NASA is fake? So do we, so we've put together this video which contains the best proofs on the internet that NASA is taking our money and used to deceive the world about what the world is. Share this video to wake everyone up to the greatest deception of our time!
The most important question to answer is "WHY THEY LIE"


29 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-zzqW1WKZE




Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin :  https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 20, 2018, 03:16:53 am
Is Flat Earth a Controlled Leak? B.o.B, Hollywood, the CIA & Google ▶️️


Is flat earth being pushed out into the consciousness of the masses on purpose? Maybe it is. It's something I always wonder. I always wonder what we can actually do and at times it seems like there's nothing we can do. We've been on lock down since the beginning of time from what I gather. Either way the earth is flat and motionless. We will be going over B.o.B, the CIA, the new Google Commercial with a reference to flat earth and Hollywood programming.


10 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ndQIURYlU




Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin :  https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 22, 2018, 07:44:06 pm
Joshua 10:12-14 KJV -

Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.



Psalm 19 King James Version (KJV)

19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.


King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain




Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin :  https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 22, 2018, 07:53:44 pm
Job 9 King James Version (KJV)

1 Then Job answered and said,

2 I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?

3 If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.

4 He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?

5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.

6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.

8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.

10 Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without number.

11 Lo, he goeth by me, and I see him not: he passeth on also, but I perceive him not.

12 Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?

13 If God will not withdraw his anger, the proud helpers do stoop under him.

14 How much less shall I answer him, and choose out my words to reason with him?

15 Whom, though I were righteous, yet would I not answer, but I would make supplication to my judge.

16 If I had called, and he had answered me; yet would I not believe that he had hearkened unto my voice.

17 For he breaketh me with a tempest, and multiplieth my wounds without cause.

18 He will not suffer me to take my breath, but filleth me with bitterness.

19 If I speak of strength, lo, he is strong: and if of judgment, who shall set me a time to plead?

20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

21 Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.

22 This is one thing, therefore I said it, He destroyeth the perfect and the wicked.

23 If the scourge slay suddenly, he will laugh at the trial of the innocent.

24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?

25 Now my days are swifter than a post: they flee away, they see no good.

26 They are passed away as the swift ships: as the eagle that hasteth to the prey.

27 If I say, I will forget my complaint, I will leave off my heaviness, and comfort myself:

28 I am afraid of all my sorrows, I know that thou wilt not hold me innocent.

29 If I be wicked, why then labour I in vain?

30 If I wash myself with snow water, and make my hands never so clean;

31 Yet shalt thou plunge me in the ditch, and mine own clothes shall abhor me.

32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

34 Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me:

35 Then would I speak, and not fear him; but it is not so with me.



King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain



Job 26 King James Version (KJV)

1 But Job answered and said,

2 How hast thou helped him that is without power? how savest thou the arm that hath no strength?

3 How hast thou counselled him that hath no wisdom? and how hast thou plentifully declared the thing as it is?

4 To whom hast thou uttered words? and whose spirit came from thee?

5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.

6 Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.

7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.

9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it.

10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.


12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.

13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?



King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain




Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin :  https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 29, 2018, 02:00:41 pm
ELITE SPACE ROCKETS AND ESCAPING THE FIRMAMENT


A recent article suggested that all the elite rich folks investing in space rockets may be to simply leave a dying earth behind. This makes us wonder if the Lord will judge those who go out into space, just like it seems to suggest in Obadiah and those who "dwell among the stars." Also, a little word study on "firmament" or "raqia" in Hebrew, and whether it is solid or not.


10 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxcr3W4A7nU&t=0s&index=25&list=WL




Theology Forums : https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin :  https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
Bitchute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/



Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 05, 2018, 03:24:19 am
Sending Thor to Smash the Firmament?


Full Historic and Famous JFK speech in Houston


So, just when I thought it could not get any stranger, I go to Lubbock to do a conference on Nephilim and I meet a pastor who asks me if I know what the name Dominic means. After he tells me, I could not help but laugh. Again, if "they" are trying to avoid a conspiracy, the globalists are not helping with the names they use for their various "operations."

33 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kle7BO7Ulxk&index=2&list=WL&t=1124s




Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+


Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection, the gospel of our salvation, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Scripter on October 21, 2018, 11:58:04 am
could you please stop showing cartoons that don't know how to communicate and don't say what they mean?  Is there a necessary connection between a FE and a vortex of movement?  why is the cartoon a fraud that does not show our system in its context with many others?  There is about 30 seconds of content there in over 3 minutes of video. 
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: 1Mind1Spirit on October 21, 2018, 12:35:44 pm
could you please stop showing cartoons that don't know how to communicate and don't say what they mean?  Is there a necessary connection between a FE and a vortex of movement?  why is the cartoon a fraud that does not show our system in its context with many others?  There is about 30 seconds of content there in over 3 minutes of video.
Those 30 seconds are a compilation of Flat Earth information.
Learn it.
How hard could it be?
After all it's only 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 02, 2018, 02:12:57 pm
Job 38 King James Version (KJV)

38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain



Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 11, 2018, 07:42:50 am
Ball-Earth Forced Indoctrination


In this video we'll discuss the mandatory indoctrination campaign foisted upon all generations of trusting and gullible toddlers.  While the heliocentric model can easily be shown to disagree with observable reality, the evidence for a flat and motionless Earth is mounting -- Yet there appears to be no end in sight to the forced indoctrination into ball Earth sophism and anti-logic.


30 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-mG1QgkfIk



Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 16, 2018, 08:19:29 am
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/3d/ed/6f/3ded6f9eb6bfbc041579410cb1f7c0bc.jpg)



PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 22, 2018, 08:08:27 pm
Flat Earth Debate : Rob Skiba vs Robert Sungenis At FE2018 In Denver



In the first 30 minutes Rob Skiba gives a great explanation from the Bible about the firmament and a solid structure separating the waters above from the waters below.


Full Debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9SRA_Awhbc&index=25&list=WL&t=202s





PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 25, 2018, 07:11:21 am
The heavens have an end and the heavens are measured and can be measured by God alone. Deep endless infinite space does not exist. As God tells here in Psalm 19, the sun's going forth (moving) is from the end of the heaven . . .  The sun moves, the moon moves, stars move, debris in the firmament move, the earth does NOT move.



Psalm 19 King James Version (KJV)

19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain



PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+

Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 05, 2018, 07:44:08 am
Landing On A Transparent Moon? ✅


Fascinating Lunar Eclipse From Norway 2018 - Proof The Moon Is Not Solid - Must See !!!


16 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG1VZbF3xoQ



PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 18, 2018, 03:52:30 pm
Flat Earth & The Mouse-Eared Psychodrama... [Noel Hadley - MIRRORED]



24 minutes and very worth it - watch or at least listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8G3PemVj7w&index=11&list=WL&t=160s



PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 29, 2018, 08:27:26 am
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8e/cc/f0/8eccf0200e7ef71026027711fb435fa3.jpg)
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 29, 2019, 08:33:48 pm
Bursting The GPS Bubble!!!


Watch the whole video



9 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AHC-41Z9QU&t=68s&list=WL&index=22





PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+

Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 14, 2019, 08:34:35 am
Trump Wonders Why NASA Can't Go To The Moon or Mars



15 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_aGqFi4k6w








PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 20, 2019, 07:59:20 pm
Flat Earth Answers - The Video That Convinced Me


25 minutes and worth it - pay attention, watch and read - no narration -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSgQ8tBhfDA






PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Google : https://plus.google.com/u/0/113527239869543729835
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 03, 2019, 10:43:35 am
NO EXPERIMENT CAN DETECT EARTH'S MOTION - Part 1


14 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6stEY3xw5d0





NO EXPERIMENT CAN DETECT EARTH'S MOTION - Part 2


23 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0fQfmR57cA





NO EXPERIMENT CAN DETECT EARTH'S MOTION - Part 3


6 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73fpZg6XVcw


No experiment has ever been performed with such excruciating persistence and meticulous precision, and in every conceivable manner, than that of trying to detect and measure the motion of the Earth. Yet they have all consistently and continually yielded a velocity for the Earth of exactly ZERO mph.

The toil of thousands of exasperated researchers, in the extremely varied experiments of Arago, De Coudre's induction, Fizeau, Fresnell drag, Hoek, Jaseja's lasers, Jenkins, Klinkerfuess, Michelson-Morley interferometry, Lord Rayleigh's polarimetry, Troughton-Noble torque, and the famous 'Airy's Failure' experiment, all conclusively failed to show any rotational or translational movement for the earth, whatsoever."

"They want you to believe that the Moon's rotation is perfectly synchronized with its orbit so that's why we only ever see one side of the Moon, rather than conclude the obvious - that the Moon is simply NOT rotating. Moreover, they had to slow down the Moon's speed by 58,870 mph AND reverse its direction to West-East to successfully sell their phony heliocentricity system to a gullible public. I don't think there is one person in many, many thousands - regardless of education - who knows that the Copernican Model had to turn the Moon's observable direction around and give it a new speed to accommodate the phases and eclipses." -Marshall Hall

--- THE EARTH IS AT REST - THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT :

James Bradley was the guy to whom my countryman Ruđer Bošković (forgotten croatian genius) - during his visitation to London - proposed to conduct a decisive experiment in order to determine if the earth orbits the sun!!! Almost 100 years later (In 1871) G. B. Airy (1802-1892) implemented the verification of Bradley's aberration hypothesis proposed by Boscovich. Bošković even designed a telescope filled with water in all its components, which was implemented at the Greenwich observatory in 1871, that is, 84 years after his death.

Of course, Airy's water-filled instrument did not deliver the desired proof of the Copernican paradigm. Agreeing with somewhat similar tests already performed by Hoek and Klinkerfusz, the experiment demonstrated exactly the opposite outcome of that which had to be confidently expected. Actually the most careful measurements gave the same angle of aberration for a telescope with water as for one filled with air.

Airy put water in the telescope to test Bradley's claim that the moving Earth
caused aberration; he saw no change in aberration angle with the water
added.  This was termed a ‘failure’, since Bradley’s theory of receiver motion
predicted a change with the index of refraction – n.

CONCLUSION: The deflection of starlight known as stellar aberration is NOT due
to the Earth’s motion, but is an external bending of light before reaching the
telescope.






PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/profile/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007669219364+
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 10, 2019, 08:39:00 am
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/76/bd/ec/76bdec90a08560522fc4ebb1992a7468.jpg)
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 10, 2019, 08:43:22 am
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6d/5b/ab/6d5babf9be9f248f9163eb11d2ce4b2c.jpg)
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 10, 2019, 08:47:26 am
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/43/72/44/4372447e74ea1a5e695ff0e4a42ac8a8.jpg?b=t)
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 10, 2019, 08:50:17 am
Antarctic Ice Wall Footage - Encircling The Earth


5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeEW_iNvYf0






Rocket Hits Dome Firmament - You Haven't Seen This


4 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_aK_Ob5WEs










PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube Back-Up Channel :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 12, 2019, 06:10:20 am
Flat Earth AWAKENINGS - People Need to Discover On Their Own



11 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emvm1V1eXfc












PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube Back-Up Channel :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 25, 2019, 06:51:55 am
Galileo Was Wrong - The Heliocentric Lie


1. In 1905, Einstein added time dilation to length contraction because it was required to fit his theory, not because he “discovered”  it. It has since been applied  to everything under  the sun so  that  the Einstein advocates can claim that everything works by SRT. So let’s assume that the GPS satellites are in an inertial frame. The fact is, the light beams traveling east-to-west are faster by 50ns than the beams traveling west-to-east. But according to SRT, there should beno difference of the two beams since both are in an inertial frame.  (And if they are not in an inertial frame, then SRT cannot be applied). So, in order to hide this discrepancy to save SRT, the GPS computers are preprogrammed with a Sagnac correction so that it appears that the east bound beam is going the same speed as the westbound beam, and voila! SRT is “proved.”

2. EINSTEIN SAID THAT IF THERE WAS ANY ETHER IN SPACE, THEN HIS THEORY IS NULLIFIED. HE SAID : If Michelson-Morley is wrong, then Relativity is wrong.  (Einstein ; The Life and Times, p. 107.) So, Einstein simply dismissed the fractional ether drift of MMX as a mere artifact. But the sad fact is, scientifically speaking, artifacts would not have appeared in all the dozens of interferometer experiments performed over the next 80 years.

In 1921, Einstein wrote to a friend that if "the Miller experiments" produced positive results *"the whole relativity theory collapses like a house of cards."

Miller's experiments produced consistently positive results.

The experiments of Sagnac and Michelson & Gale are rarely mentioned. Until recently it was quite difficult to find a reference to them. As Dean Turner pointed out "One may scan Einstein's writings in vain to find mention of the Sagnac or Michelson-Gale experiments. The same can be said of general physics text-books and of the McGraw-Hill Encyclopaedia of Science and Technology...Such an oversight constitutes a stinging indictment of professional scientific reporting". It is indeed quite difficult to get information on these experiments. They seem to be such an embarrassment to relativity that those who know about them would rather not say too much.

Quite a number of relativity experts, however, do know about them, and when pressed many admit that they show the Special Theory of Relativity (the theory taught to all science students, and the basis for much of "modern physics") to be inadequate.

3. Not only has General Relativity failed to provide adequate answers for stellar aberration, rotation, and
action-at-a-distance (that is, without resorting to Mach’s “distant rotating masses”), Van  Flandern
reminds us that…

“…it is not widely appreciated that this [General Relativity] is a purely mathematical model,
lacking a physical mechanism to initiate motion. For example, if a “space-time manifold” (like
the rubber sheet) exists near a source of mass, why would a small particle placed at rest in that
manifold  (on  the  rubber  sheet) begin to move toward the source mass? Indeed, why would
curvature of the manifold even have a sense of “down” unless some force such as gravity
already existed. Logically, the small particle at rest on a curved manifold would have no reason
to end its rest unless a force acted on it.”

 “…all existing experimental evidence requires the action of fields to be conveyed much faster
than lightspeed. This situation is ironic because the reason why the geometric interpretation
gained ascendancy over the field interpretation is that the implied faster-than-light action of
fields appeared to allow causality violations [e.g., moving backwards in time, according to the
principles of Special Relativity]….Yet the field interpretation of General Relativity requires
faster than light propagation. So if Special Relativity were a correct model of reality, the field
interpretation would violate the causality principle, which is why it fell from popularity.”

4. It is rather interesting that Relativists, on the one hand, claim that light is limited to 186,000 mps in Special Relativity, but admit that Special Relativity does not incorporate gravity or inertial forces.

On the other hand, they claim gravity is limited to the speed of light because Special Relativity  says nothing can go  faster  than light. But if Special Relativity has nothing to do with gravity, then how can Special Relativity claim that gravity’s speed
is limited to light speed? 
 
Moreover, in General Relativity, light, and we presume gravity, is not limited to 186,000 mps, and that is
because General Relativity deals with frames that  include gravity and inertial forces. But if gravity itself
is a non-inertial frame, then how can it be limited to 186,000 mps by Special Relativity which only deals
with inertial frames? This shows that the two theories of Relativity contradict themselves.

5. Einstein and Infield wrote in The Evolution of Physics (1938) :

“…the theory of relativity resembles a building consisting of two separate storeys (sic), the special  theory and the general theory. The special theory, on which the general theory rests, applies to all physical phenomena with the exception of gravitation.”

On this Dr. Kelly comments :

“So, if the special theory loses its basis, the general theory is also without foundation.”

The only original big idea in “Einstein's” so-called theory of general relativity was curved space. Yet through the 1980s and 1990s, and  today with the Hubble space telescope, astronomers have methodically and painstakingly developed three-dimensional atlases of the universe. However, they  have detected no curvature of space. Theoretical physicist Paul LaViolette observes :

“If space were curved by even the slightest amount, evidence of this would have shown up in astronomical surveys. When the data are checked, however, no evidence of curvature is found. Observations of the density of galaxies found at distant locations of the universe indicate that space is Euclidian out to the farthest limits of observation.”



26 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9hG96pDEtY







Please Subscribe! Join my Free Forums for discussion, debate and fellowship
PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube Back-Up Channel :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 25, 2019, 06:57:10 am
Flat Earth Disinfo Campaign - Why, if it's Only Fantasy?


10 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78O4D5oLxrs


Please Subscribe! Join my Free Forums for discussion, debate and fellowship
PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube Back-Up Channel :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 26, 2019, 08:39:55 pm
This a rock band from St. Louis, my town, from 1975. As a flat earther I find the band name "Head East" and the debut album title of "Flat as a Pancake" rather interesting. I've heard this song all my life and never thought of it until just now. Did they know just like Lennon and Pink Floyd? Anyway, great song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8EnxkTda6Q










Please Subscribe! Join my Free Forums for discussion, debate and fellowship
PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube Back-Up Channel :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 13, 2019, 10:07:45 am
Tycho Brahe's Arguments (see the comment section)


Comment :

What we have in the history of western science is a fully formed highly detailed geocentric cosmology and mathematical astronomy in the form of the Syntaxis Mathematiké from Ptolemaeus from the middle of the second century CE. This lays out in great detail all of the arguments for and against both the geocentric and heliocentric cosmologies known to the Greek astronomers and cosmologist over a period of about six hundred years. Not exactly fragments of ideas!

These arguments are logically argued scientific hypotheses based on solid empirical observation made by Babylonian and Greek astronomers over a period of approximately nine hundred years. Thanks to Ptolemaeus we know exactly why geocentrism was the standard. A standard that was accepted and defended in the works of Plato, Aristotle and many other Greek philosophers and mathematical commentators. This standard was also maintained and defended by many, many Islamic philosophers and astronomers from about 800 CE into the Early Modern Period.

The geocentric hypotheses of Greek and Islamic cosmology and astronomy were not based on religious beliefs but on solid empirical observations. The religious views of the astronomers and cosmologists who presented those hypotheses did not play a significant role in their work.

However the three main players in the introduction of heliocentric cosmology in the Early Modern Period Copernicus, Kepler and Newton (contrary to popular opinion Galileo only played a very minor role) were all deeply religious and the religious views of two of them did play a highly significant role in their scientific thought.

Copernicus was a cannon of a Catholic cathedral. Kepler trained for the priesthood in a Lutheran seminary and remained devotedly religious all of his life believing that he was serving his God through his astronomical work. Newton was by any standards a religious fanatic who believed that he had been special chosen by God to reveal the secrets of His creation.



10 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEKOyGNLL58&t=384s
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Bladerunner on April 14, 2019, 09:03:18 pm
Tycho Brahe's Arguments (see the comment section)


Comment :

What we have in the history of western science is a fully formed highly detailed geocentric cosmology and mathematical astronomy in the form of the Syntaxis Mathematiké from Ptolemaeus from the middle of the second century CE. This lays out in great detail all of the arguments for and against both the geocentric and heliocentric cosmologies known to the Greek astronomers and cosmologist over a period of about six hundred years. Not exactly fragments of ideas!

These arguments are logically argued scientific hypotheses based on solid empirical observation made by Babylonian and Greek astronomers over a period of approximately nine hundred years. Thanks to Ptolemaeus we know exactly why geocentrism was the standard. A standard that was accepted and defended in the works of Plato, Aristotle and many other Greek philosophers and mathematical commentators. This standard was also maintained and defended by many, many Islamic philosophers and astronomers from about 800 CE into the Early Modern Period.

The geocentric hypotheses of Greek and Islamic cosmology and astronomy were not based on religious beliefs but on solid empirical observations. The religious views of the astronomers and cosmologists who presented those hypotheses did not play a significant role in their work.

However the three main players in the introduction of heliocentric cosmology in the Early Modern Period Copernicus, Kepler and Newton (contrary to popular opinion Galileo only played a very minor role) were all deeply religious and the religious views of two of them did play a highly significant role in their scientific thought.

Copernicus was a cannon of a Catholic cathedral. Kepler trained for the priesthood in a Lutheran seminary and remained devotedly religious all of his life believing that he was serving his God through his astronomical work. Newton was by any standards a religious fanatic who believed that he had been special chosen by God to reveal the secrets of His creation.



10 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEKOyGNLL58&t=384s

The Bible tells us, but nobody wants to believe it.

Blade
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 17, 2019, 11:57:57 pm
YouTube took my main channel down and it killed most of the videos I've posted over the last 8 months. Sorry folks but it will take some time to find these videos again. The censorship is getting really bad now.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Jesus Truth on April 22, 2019, 01:00:12 pm
YouTube took my main channel down and it killed most of the videos I've posted over the last 8 months. Sorry folks but it will take some time to find these videos again. The censorship is getting really bad now.
That stinks and I have been hearing about that kind of censorship. Good luck.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Faulty on April 22, 2019, 11:39:21 pm
YouTube took my main channel down and it killed most of the videos I've posted over the last 8 months. Sorry folks but it will take some time to find these videos again. The censorship is getting really bad now.

You didn't have backups? Why didn't they take it down, just because of FE content, or were you one of the many hit with frivolous copyright strikes?
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 22, 2019, 11:51:41 pm
YouTube took my main channel down and it killed most of the videos I've posted over the last 8 months. Sorry folks but it will take some time to find these videos again. The censorship is getting really bad now.

You didn't have backups? Why didn't they take it down, just because of FE content, or were you one of the many hit with frivolous copyright strikes?
Yes, mostly because of FE I think but I asked the owner of the video I got a strike for to retract the claim and he did, thank God. So I got all three channels back. Now I have 5 total. They can't stop us, lol.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Faulty on April 23, 2019, 12:11:30 am
Five? Impressive. Why so many? I knew about one, just found two more right away. Not sure about the other two.

I was being reported several times a week on CF, primarily for something related to a FE discussion, or how their cosmology was more science than science fiction. Last night I was actually praying I could break away from that place, because it's an extremely toxic platform. Today, I log in and found they finally got me banned for a month. Anger was the first reaction, then I recalled I had just been praying for something like that. Feeling much better now. At least I won't get any more PM's telling me what an idiot I am and how I shouldn't allowed to breed (and other funny 'suggestions'). The persecution is real.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 23, 2019, 05:31:22 am
Five? Impressive. Why so many? I knew about one, just found two more right away. Not sure about the other two.

I was being reported several times a week on CF, primarily for something related to a FE discussion, or how their cosmology was more science than science fiction. Last night I was actually praying I could break away from that place, because it's an extremely toxic platform. Today, I log in and found they finally got me banned for a month. Anger was the first reaction, then I recalled I had just been praying for something like that. Feeling much better now. At least I won't get any more PM's telling me what an idiot I am and how I shouldn't allowed to breed (and other funny 'suggestions'). The persecution is real.
CF shut down several threads of mine because of reported posts. Then I was permanently banned but I kept appealing and they let me come back after 6 months. You would really like Theology Forums also. Free Speech and I'm the Admin. It's much bigger than here. I have five because I got two quick strikes on my main channel.

I made two back up channels but when my main channel got terminated they closed the other two so I had none. So my mom started a Google account and presto, two new channels. Then the copyright strike was retracted by the owner because I asked him and explained the situation. God blessed me and I got all three of MY channels back giving me five now. YT is out to get me though.



Please Subscribe! Join my Free Forums for discussion, debate and fellowship
PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube Back-Up Channel :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/





Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 23, 2019, 01:16:42 pm
Five? Impressive. Why so many? I knew about one, just found two more right away. Not sure about the other two.

I was being reported several times a week on CF, primarily for something related to a FE discussion, or how their cosmology was more science than science fiction. Last night I was actually praying I could break away from that place, because it's an extremely toxic platform. Today, I log in and found they finally got me banned for a month. Anger was the first reaction, then I recalled I had just been praying for something like that. Feeling much better now. At least I won't get any more PM's telling me what an idiot I am and how I shouldn't allowed to breed (and other funny 'suggestions'). The persecution is real.
You need an avatar Faulty. I made you a Moderator here. You don't have to do anything but you should be able to see and do more.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 09, 2019, 06:31:56 pm
Cosmology Has Some Big Problems





(https://static.scientificamerican.com/blogs/cache/file/7DAF801B-9AED-4B63-B7EAD43F5E9B1B2D_source.jpg?w=590&h=800&D658BB8D-B20A-45F9-ACB0EB79FD66CAAB)
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/cosmology-has-some-big-problems/

What do we really know about our universe?

Born out of a cosmic explosion 13.8 billion years ago, the universe rapidly inflated and then cooled, it is still expanding at an increasing rate and mostly made up of unknown dark matter and dark energy ... right?

This well-known story is usually taken as a self-evident scientific fact, despite the relative lack of empirical evidence—and despite a steady crop of discrepancies arising with observations of the distant universe.

In recent months, new measurements of the Hubble constant, the rate of universal expansion, suggested major differences between two independent methods of calculation. Discrepancies on the expansion rate have huge implications not simply for calculation but for the validity of cosmology's current standard model at the extreme scales of the cosmos.

Another recent probe found galaxies inconsistent with the theory of dark matter, which posits this hypothetical substance to be everywhere. But according to the latest measurements, it is not, suggesting the theory needs to be reexamined.

It's perhaps worth stopping to ask why astrophysicists hypothesize dark matter to be everywhere in the universe? The answer lies in a peculiar feature of cosmological physics that is not often remarked. For a crucial function of theories such as dark matter, dark energy and inflation, which each in its own way is tied to the big bang paradigm, is not to describe known empirical phenomena but rather to maintain the mathematical coherence of the framework itself while accounting for discrepant observations. Fundamentally, they are names for something that must exist insofar as the framework is assumed to be universally valid.

Each new discrepancy between observation and theory can of course in and of itself be considered an exciting promise of more research, a progressive refinement toward the truth. But when it adds up, it could also suggest a more confounding problem that is not resolved by tweaking parameters or adding new variables.

Consider the context of the problem and its history. As a mathematically driven science, cosmological physics is usually thought to be extremely precise. But the cosmos is unlike any scientific subject matter on earth. A theory of the entire universe, based on our own tiny neighborhood as the only known sample of it, requires a lot of simplifying assumptions. When these assumptions are multiplied and stretched across vast distances, the potential for error increases, and this is further compounded by our very limited means of testing.

Historically, Newton's physical laws made up a theoretical framework that worked for our own solar system with remarkable precision. Both Uranus and Neptune, for example, were discovered through predictions based on Newton's model. But as the scales grew larger, its validity proved limited. Einstein's general relativity framework provided an extended and more precise reach beyond the furthest reaches of our own galaxy. But just how far could it go?

The big bang paradigm that emerged in the mid-20th century effectively stretches the model's validity to a kind of infinity, defined either as the boundary of the radius of the universe (calculated at 46 billion light-years) or in terms of the beginning of time. This giant stretch is based on a few concrete discoveries, such as Edwin Hubble's observation that the universe appears to be expanding (in 1929) and the detection of the microwave background radiation (in 1964). But considering the scale involved, these limited observations have had an outsized influence on cosmological theory.

It is of course entirely plausible that the validity of general relativity breaks down much closer to our own home than at the edge of the hypothetical end of the universe. And if that were the case, today's multilayered theoretical edifice of the big bang paradigm would turn out to be a confusing mix of fictional beasts invented to uphold the model along with empirically valid variables, mutually reliant on each other to the point of making it impossible to sort science from fiction.

Compounding this problem, most observations of the universe occur experimentally and indirectly. Today's space telescopes provide no direct view of anything—they produce measurements through an interplay of theoretical predictions and pliable parameters, in which the model is involved every step of the way. The framework literally frames the problem; it determines where and how to observe. And so, despite the advanced technologies and methods involved, the profound limitations to the endeavor also increase the risk of being led astray by the kind of assumptions that cannot be calculated.

After spending many years researching the foundations of cosmological physics from a philosophy of science perspective, I have not been surprised to hear some scientists openly talking about a crisis in cosmology. In the big “inflation debate” in Scientific American a few years ago, a key piece of the big bang paradigm was criticized by one of the theory's original proponents for having become indefensible as a scientific theory.

Why? Because inflation theory relies on ad hoc contrivances to accommodate almost any data, and because its proposed physical field is not based on anything with empirical justification. This is probably because a crucial function of inflation is to bridge the transition from an unknowable big bang to a physics we can recognize today. So, is it science or a convenient invention?

A few astrophysicists, such as Michael J. Disney, have criticized the big bang paradigm for its lack of demonstrated certainties. In his analysis, the theoretical framework has far fewer certain observations than free parameters to tweak them—a so-called “negative significance” that would be an alarming sign for any science. As Disney writes in American Scientist: “A skeptic is entitled to feel that a negative significance, after so much time, effort and trimming, is nothing more than one would expect of a folktale constantly re-edited to fit inconvenient new observations."

As I discuss in my new book, Metaphysical Experiments, there is a deeper history behind the current problems. The big bang hypothesis itself originally emerged as an indirect consequence of general relativity undergoing remodeling. Einstein had made a fundamental assumption about the universe, that it was static in both space and time, and to make his equations add up, he added a “cosmological constant,” for which he freely admitted there was no physical justification.

But when Hubble observed that the universe was expanding and Einstein's solution no longer seemed to make sense, some mathematical physicists tried to change a fundamental assumption of the model: that the universe was the same in all spatial directions but variant in time. Not insignificantly, this theory came with a very promising upside: a possible merger between cosmology and nuclear physics. Could the brave new model of the atom also explain our universe?

From the outset, the theory only spoke to the immediate aftermath of an explicitly hypothetical event, whose principal function was as a limit condition, the point at which the theory breaks down. Big bang theory says nothing about the big bang; it is rather a possible hypothetical premise for resolving general relativity.

On top of this undemonstrable but very productive hypothesis, floor upon floor has been added intact, with vastly extended scales and new discrepancies. To explain observations of galaxies inconsistent with general relativity, the existence of dark matter was posited as an unknown and invisible form of matter calculated to make up more than a quarter of all mass-energy content in the universe—assuming, of course, the framework is universally valid. In 1998, when a set of supernova measurements of accelerating galaxies seemed at odds with the framework, a new theory emerged of a mysterious force called dark energy, calculated to fill circa 70 percent of the mass-energy of the universe.

The crux of today's cosmological paradigm is that in order to maintain a mathematically unified theory valid for the entire universe, we must accept that 95 percent of our cosmos is furnished by completely unknown elements and forces for which we have no empirical evidence whatsoever. For a scientist to be confident of this picture requires an exceptional faith in the power of mathematical unification.

In the end, the conundrum for cosmology is its reliance on the framework as a necessary presupposition for conducting research. For lack of a clear alternative, as astrophysicist Disney also notes, it is in a sense stuck with the paradigm. It seems more pragmatic to add new theoretical floors than to rethink the fundamentals.

Contrary to the scientific ideal of getting progressively closer to the truth, it looks rather like cosmology, to borrow a term from technology studies, has become path-dependent: overdetermined by the implications of its past inventions.






This article is based on edited excerpts from the book Metaphysical Experiments: Physics and the Invention of the Universe, published by University of Minnesota Press.

The views expressed are those of the author(s) and are not necessarily those of Scientific American.














Please Subscribe! Discord Sucks! Join my Forums for discussion, debate and fellowship - FREE
PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube Back-Up Channel :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 10, 2019, 05:41:16 pm
South Pole Deception Revealed

4 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJwkTPPEjNY&t=156s
























Please Subscribe! Discord Sucks! Join my Forums for discussion, debate and fellowship - FREE
PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube Back-Up Channel :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 12, 2019, 02:00:39 pm
Devil Don't "Fight Fair", Jeran... (Flat Earth & Fakex/Google Collusion)


40 minutes - Better Than a Movie !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNq096-K_Es&list=WL&index=10&t=0s
















Please Subscribe! Discord Sucks! Join my Forums for discussion, debate and fellowship - FREE
PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube Back-Up Channel :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 18, 2019, 03:15:02 pm
The Flat Earth Journey - The Wheel In The Sky That Keeps On Turning


5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3zRdmHqVuI

















PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzjN3dF-_PnAc81SQVjqhg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube Back-Up Channel :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute : https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 21, 2019, 01:01:43 pm
Jude King James Version (KJV)


1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.



King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 30, 2019, 02:24:10 pm
Thomas Dolby "The Flat Earth"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNIQrIXlrNw
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 25, 2019, 10:02:01 pm
Job 38 King James Version (KJV)

38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.



King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 06, 2019, 11:39:40 am
BILL NYE LOSES CONTROL AGAIN - MELTDOWN !!!


5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdvYa1vS5Vs





PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg?view_as=subscriber
BitChute :  https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/patrick_jane_ephesians6/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Gab :  https://gab.com/patrick_jane
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 06, 2019, 11:40:58 am
FLAT EARTH IN 5 MINUTES ▶️️📺🌹👀



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJQoys4J08g





PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg?view_as=subscriber
BitChute :  https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/patrick_jane_ephesians6/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Gab :  https://gab.com/patrick_jane
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 06, 2019, 11:43:03 am
FLAT EARTH HIDDEN LAND MENTIONED IN LOST BOOKS


9 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAU1P3fBko8





PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg?view_as=subscriber
BitChute :  https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/patrick_jane_ephesians6/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Gab :  https://gab.com/patrick_jane
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 06, 2019, 11:44:54 am
NAKED BEFORE GOD ✝🆗


9 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4dXowPE13g




PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg?view_as=subscriber
BitChute :  https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/patrick_jane_ephesians6/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Gab :  https://gab.com/patrick_jane
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 12, 2019, 07:14:10 am
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/36dd1a_d83b5bb19da14f2d8d07bde0603f9b1c~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_958,h_958,al_c,q_85/36dd1a_d83b5bb19da14f2d8d07bde0603f9b1c~mv2.webp)
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 14, 2019, 07:52:18 pm
The Book Of Enoch The Courses Of The Luminaries

23 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4a3g5Wx0zA&list=WL&index=3&t=579s





PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg?view_as=subscriber
BitChute :  https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/patrick_jane_ephesians6/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Gab :  https://gab.com/patrick_jane
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Bladerunner on July 14, 2019, 08:34:21 pm
The Book Of Enoch The Courses Of The Luminaries

23 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4a3g5Wx0zA&list=WL&index=3&t=579s





PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg?view_as=subscriber
BitChute :  https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/patrick_jane_ephesians6/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Gab :  https://gab.com/patrick_jane
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/

Like the new picture on forums.

Blade
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 12, 2019, 01:43:09 pm
She Wants To Be Your Girl Not One Of Your Girls


33 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh8t7KYeFPo&list=WL&index=9&t=189s





PayPal Donations : https://paypal.me/ThankYou3169
Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/patrick_jane3169
Flat Earth Forums : https://3169.createaforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Theology Forums :  https://theologyforums.com/index.php
Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg?view_as=subscriber
YouTube back up: patrick jane forums  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMt94y3SDxgjpoucj6Yc_Xg
BitChute :  https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xUZJpNWUz2T4/
Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/patrick_jane_ephesians6/
Twitter : https://twitter.com/patrickjane3169
Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-jane-833769164/
Gab :  https://gab.com/patrick_jane
Facebook :  https://www.facebook.com/mentalist3169
Pinterest : https://www.pinterest.com/patrickjane3169/