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Title: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 31, 2018, 10:18:46 am
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Biblical Cosmology

We'll get into "science" after this first few posts.


The Ancient Conflict : According to scripture we are all born into a spiritual war. It's an invisible war and it's not broadcast on the evening news. The vast majority of people are oblivious to this.

When the serpent entered the garden and tempted Eve and hence, Adam, to disobey God and as a result, sin and death entered the flat earth and put a curse on humanity. Some time after when mankind continued to populate the earth, the first full assault on humanity was launched.

It could be likened to an alien invasion except these fallen entities didn't come from a distant galaxy or some far off star "system". They descended from above (hard to do on a globe), and together they conspired to abandon their assigned posts in the firmament. Where the ether carried their luminescence to the Four Corners of the earth.

These watcher angels had fallen from their first estate which God set for them (scriptural proof available for all of my Biblical references). They came down and began a sort of colonization or campaign. They sired the Nephilum, their hybrid abomination offspring, who ravaged the land and fed on men. They corrupted the genetics of humanity, animals and plants.

Using the knowledge they had been given by God to perform their original tasks in the heavens, they proceeded to teach mankind many forbidden things. In order to civilize man and equip them to build cities and kingdoms where these fallen angelic beings could rule as gods.

The knowledge bestowed to mankind was presented as being "keys" to enlightenment and the know-how to eventually take our seats beside them as gods, through "technology". These were all lies bringing nothing but destruction, perversion, wickedness and death. God finally became so grieved by man's evil and wickedness and the corruption of His creation He chose to destroy the earth with water and begin again.

Sparing one worthy family and the animals that they took. When the water receded the earth had been cleansed from the evil that was destroying it. God promised Noah that He would never again destroy with water and set a rainbow in the sky as a sign of this covenant. The great empires of the watchers had been erased.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R-a4DmXcAw

The angels that conspired against God were banished to the deepest bowels of the earth, held there in darkness until the time of the final judgement of all things. But no sooner than the earth started filling again with trees and plants and animals etc., and mankind was multiplying in the earth again did the enemy start working seeking to rebuild what God destroyed.

satan's beloved empire whose sole purpose was the destruction and enslavement of mankind. But no longer did the enemy have the power to send his minions to the earth to take wives and build cities. No longer could they walk among men and be revered. The satanic kingdom now had to be done though the worshiping of invisible deities forced to orchestrate their rule through interdimensional communication.

Since God had bound them behind a spiritual veil, once again forbidden knowledge was spread among these newly formed nations. So in the courts of all the human kingdoms worked a host of occult priesthoods, sorcerers, mediums, astrologers and practitioners of divination.

People started sacrificing to these false idols to show their loyalty to the false gods, building temples, having orgies and such. The rebellion against God resumed as Nimrod attempted and failed to build a tower into the heavens and throughout all of the kingdoms of the earth the languages were confused by God.

After centuries go by and the wickedness and occult and pagan practices were increasing, God chose to intervene again.




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t-8t6KAH1c&t=2s


The Conspiracy That Is Not
I will create a spoiler to contain this post but for now, this is a basic and short explanation of why there is no huge conspiracy with flat earth. Number one is nobody believes flat earth.

Just an update. I have a lot to cover with this subject and hopefully the first dozen posts give a good overview of Biblical Flat Earth. I haven't gotten to the scriptures yest but I will. Please look at the post at the top of this page also.

The biggest question people have and the biggest reason they will not research flat earth is because they think millions or at least tens of thousands of people would have to be "in on it" - Not so. Only 24 people are alleged to have ever been high enough to see a globe from space. Most are deceased. 24 people and whoever might have seen REAL ACTUAL IMAGES.

Conspiracies work on levels, layers. Like an onion. Everybody already believes in a globe so it's not hard to keep something a secret. Pilots don't go high enough, satellite employees and contractors each do individual things with no knowledge of what they do in fake space.

The calculations and specifications are set to a globe because that's how they set them. They can easily use the same mathematics in flat earth. They don't know. GPS employees and Direct TV employees don't know. None of the above mentioned people CAN know.

So who is left? Lifetime appointed military and intelligence people and very few I would imagine. No temporary employee politicians will ever know. Trump has no clue. Perhaps certain world leaders and powerful men have know.

Even Einstein had no clue. No picture until 1972 and that's the ONLY one. Make sense? The point is that this is NOT a massive conspiracy involving millions of people that either lie or are just to stupid to know they are being duped.

Think about this. The globe only exists in your mind. No real images exist. Cartoons. CGI. Photo Shop. Artist drawings. Digital Creations. Outer Space is only in the movies and TV. You have NEVER seen it but by looking at the sky. Billions of people are in love with fake space pictures and propaganda. The globe in only in your imagination.

Imagine that the Holy Bible is true and that we are the center and focus of God's creation. We are in an enclosed flat earth and cosmos with a dome firmament above. Exactly like the Bible says. If you research the history of the occult and how it became science and the history of controlled cosmology and all of the numerous connections you'll see what I see. 8 months so far.


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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 31, 2018, 10:22:42 am
A New Nation : God intervened again by setting apart a nation, a people, a kingdom to bear His name. From Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, down through Moses, Aaron and Joshua, Judges like Samson and Gideon, Kings like David and Solomon, Prophets like Elijah, Daniel and Samuel. Through the rise and fall of many demonic empires.

The God of all creation revealed Himself and His plan to redeem humanity from the curse of sin (and later as in now, the curse of the law), and death and demonic oppression. Finally, from the town of Nazareth the Promised Messiah emerged, the Son of God, the Word made flesh, whose sacrifice would free the world from the curse, who would save mankind and make it possible for us to be reborn in the Spirit.

Jesus Christ would now live IN us, and from that point until present the spiritual war took on a new twist. For decades and centuries after the resurrection the word of and truth of God began to spread through Christianity. Freeing mankind from the bondage of sin that had held them captive for generations. For the first time since the flood, people began to understand who and what they had been in servitude to the pagan kingdoms.

Throughout Asia, Europe and parts of Africa, the truth of God and Christ kept spreading, increasing, declining and increasing again over centuries. satan used his puppet emperors of the Roman empire to torture, imprison and persecute the first Christians. This only revealed more the power of the gospel of Christ and the hope of eternal life that He brought to bear.

Faith in Christ spread abroad. The Roman empire crumbled under it's own heathen weight. Now satan began to re-brand his agenda from trying to crush the spread of the truth of Christ to usurping it. Now satan began re-branding some of the old demonic kingdoms and demonic occult priesthoods and "Christianizing" them.

Seducing people with wealth, power and earthly pleasures and corrupt the Church of Christ from within. Pagan temples were "re-purposed" as Christian temples, pagan rites and rituals were re-purposed into Christian ceremonies etc. The Catholic church played a big role and still do. But nearer the beginnings and for centuries, scores of thousands of people were kept far from the Bible.

But by the grace of God the truth endured and the gospel spread. The age of Imperialism came and despite the evils of Imperialism, the gospel spread with it's spread though ships and colonization. The kingdom of satan was amplified but he was continually forced to work from the shadows. The occult knowledge and pagan rituals that went back to ancient Babylon were preserved through the centuries by various strains of secret societies, esoteric mystery schools and underground brotherhoods.

This is where it remained for the most part, in the shadows, but as much control over the earth that satan had through governments, military and financial means, the truth of God was so widespread that hardly anyone OPENLY worshiped Lucifer. Witchcraft and Luciferian beliefs were not something that populations as a whole would readily and openly accept.

This is something that satan would have to achieve if he were to rule the world and declare himself to be God. In order to get the world back to where satan wanted it he had to implement another strategy. Something so big that eve those who know that satan exists wouldn't thin he could pull off. In ancient times and even recently people were still aware of the realm that God created for us to live in.

When the truth of Jesus Christ was made known, the Biblical Cosmology had been given it's full context. The distinction between the creator and creation was made clear and the futility of the fallen angels' rebellion was made plain to see. In order for satan to claim he is the supreme being and worthy of our worship, he would have to rewrite the entire script.

He would have to repackage himself and his message he reset the setting and the stage itself like an old Shakespearean play to reintroduce the old characters. satan needed a whole new angle. Yet he did it with an old familiar tactic. Bestowing ancient wisdom and forbidden knowledge to humanity again, playing upon our pride and arrogance.


This occult knowledge and "gnosis" was now called SCIENCE.



Science and the Occult
Much of the groundwork had already been laid in ancient Greece and the "Philosophers" who actually studied the occult practices and mystery schools before Jesus was born. They then proceeded to pontificate on these demonic occult practices and pagan rituals.This effectively sanitized these beliefs and practices because they were legitimized by these philosophers.

Later generations saw these men as wise and educated and simply the profound thoughts and musings of mere men. During the Renaissance in Europe, many of these ideas once again began to take hold as they were increasingly considered harmonious with the Bible, which we know is not true. Slowly these ideas became embedded within theology and theologians and academia, as well as things related to Hermes Trismegistus and the like.

All of this translated into Latin and disseminated among intellectuals with interest in such material. The Kabbala too began being studied anew by many monks and "thinkers" and together with writings on Alchemy which "allegedly" came from Muslim mystics, these three veins of occult knowledge began to spread.

How little do most students realize that the bulk of those individuals revered today as being the pioneers and visionaries of materialistic science were in fact greatly influenced by concepts, teachings of occult manuscripts with the core tenets of Mysticism. Da Vinci, Newton, Francis Bacon, Robert Flood, Copernicus, all names we learn about in "school".

We learn that these men simply derived their genius discoveries by way of pure observation and logical deduction. However, a further look at the methods and ways they arrived at their "discoveries" and conclusions while all coincidentally reading the same occult mystic materials reveals that no, these "discoveries" were also in ancient mystic teachings.

The Copernican cosmology of a vast universe and planetary systems and even a Big Bang to start it all off can be found in the Kabbalistic texts from long before Copernicus. The concepts of molecules, atoms and chemical reactions, elemental transmutations by way of atomic fusion and fission, were first presented in the more imprecise writings of Alchemy.

The idea that nature and the cosmos were governed by invisible forces and laws which could be discovered and calculated and reapplied through various technological means, are actually underlying precepts of hermeticism. With a lot of help from the well financed occult brotherhoods and secret societies, such as the Rosa Crucians and Freemasons, Jesuits and the Royal Academy, the first institution dedicated to the advancement of "scientific" understanding.

The "universe" suddenly got very very BIG and God became very very removed. To the point that it was believed that the universe could have formed without God. Models of the Copernican THEORY were expanded and refined. Darwin stepped in to explain how LIFE could have emerged from the primordial ooze long after the had formed after billions of years.

Universities and Lecture Halls largely built, staffed and maintained by the same wealthy "brotherhoods", secret societies and organizations, became hostile territory to anyone who opposed the n"newly discovered" science. The "universe was now presented as a vast almost infinite space with our tiny blue planet somewhere in the middle perhaps.

And now we might "control" this "planet" but we may not be alone. In fact, it's now fairly reasonable to believe alien life exists, even extremely intelligent and advanced life forms. So the stage was set and the same set of characters could emerge with new costumes, they exchanged the robes for white lab coats and space suits.

The 20th century
So much happened in a 100 year span compared to all the centuries before, it would be difficult and daunting to try covering it all here. In a nutshell, satan has established a new but old way of doing business and facilitating and "managing" ways to bring the fallen entities back to earth.

In the halls of academia this science so called can now theoretically disperse the idea the "something" could could come down to earth as in "Aliens" for instance, and so the dimensional or spiritual veil must be considered again.

The barrier that God seems to have put in place to stop the watchers before the Flood. Could fallen angels once again reveal themselves to mankind as alien "saviors" and put in place to "govern" satan's earthly kingdom? Can demonic spirits even now, manifest themselves in the physical realm, inhabiting people, moving objects and attacking individuals? Yes, I believe and at least "perhaps".

Yet the ability for the demonic to manifest in the physical world is still very limited. The Bible seems to indicate that this veil will remain in place until shortly before the return of Jesus Christ. When it will be removed and the spirit of the antichrist will have a period of unprecedented access to earth and humanity one last time before satan meets his own end.

I have a lot of questions and certainly don't have all the answers. I'm not an expert on Biblical eschatology or end times prophecy, and the rise of Scientism and it's roots in occultism. But my recent studies tell me and others that quantum physics and quantum mechanics play a significant role in what the Bible refers to and could be the Great Deception.

Atomism and the progression into modern atomic theory, string theory, dark matter and Massive Hadron Colliders. The atom has long been split with fearsome destructive power or energy producing sources. Has this quantum realm been undeniably proven? Has it? Is it simply coincidence that all of these occult connections exist?

Today's researchers, physics researchers and scientists point to an uncanny multitude of similarities with new age quantum ideas and theories and ancient Kabbalistic and ancient forms of hermeticism, Hindu and Alchemist writings.

Through the history of Atomism we see the familiar trend of an original mystical philosophy crafted into what is now considered only a knowledge and materialistic science base.

Ironically, we have been lead back to these original forms of hermeticism. Has mankind been tricked in to building the very "machines" that will serve as the key to unleashing a large number of entities from a dimensional prison. Led to believe that we are reaching for immortality, when really we are "playing God".

None of us had any idea this modern (last 500 years) was all Kabbalism because we were all told it was science. Science tells us now that string theory can't be debunked yet and that every other rival theory fails in exactly the 10th and the 26th dimensions.

No kidding, really? Just believe. Scientists and especially CERN and related fields idolize these occult ancient teachings, they rave about them and think it's magical. Seduced. Strong Delusion.

They admit, "it's as if somebody is playing a trick on us" and "we don't have a good way of looking at it" - Some think CERN is attempting to reach other dimensions and demonic realms. If you understand what divination is and how the Bible forbids it, because it includes contacting the demonic realms and this is what ALL of occultism really is.

Quantum entanglement is now used as a proof that the ancient occult teachings were correct, as a vindication of science. Of course there are many many more real materialistic scientists who disagree with the "leadership" of the scientific "community" and the tension builds.More and more people are looking at quantum physics as a source and a connection to spirituality, instead of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.

As we can see, the reasons for hiding the truth of the shape of the earth and the truth about the Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos are many. I have posted in this thread about how conspiracies work very smoothly and the "levels of knowledge" as well as the VERY FEW who could possibly have ever seen the earth from high enough in space or the REAL unaltered images which must exist.

Christians and non-Christians should be made aware and research these things and search the scriptures.

Youtube channel : - "the Truth is stranger than fiction" - Documentary Aethereal - The Battle For Heaven and Earth.


It's crazy to think that we've all been learning and teaching what is really Babylonian Mysticism.




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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 01, 2018, 12:40:20 pm
So this is the latest lie from NASA - (Never A Straight Answer) - I'm not buying it, are you? Did they just happen to catch the "bright" side of the moon since we can never see the dark side of the moon here on earth? It's totally CGI or photo shop guaranteed, they all are if you examine the images with the needed software.

Antonio Paris
Planetary Scientist and Astronomy Professor at St. Petersburg College
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Earth and Moon as seen from the Messenger spacecraft on its way to Mercury.


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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 02, 2018, 12:16:20 am
From @Gleason92 :

"I would like to add a little more to this (from memory) before I carve out some time in the indeterminate future to fully support this claim. Here's the birds eye view of calculating the Moon distance deception.

After crunching the values you are left with one number, let's say for argument's sake that number is 27,000 (I made this up for argument's sake). Now the last step of the formula is to divide 27000 by a factor. We all know divide means to break the whole into smaller pieces. But there's a catch, if you divide any number into ANY value that's between 0-1 you actually have an answer that is GREATER than original.


For example:

8 pieces divided by 4=2 pieces.

But

8 pieces divided by 0.25=32 pieces.

This is one justification of just how sly and cunning this deception truly is. So if trig value for moon distance is 27000, you would divide by a number>1 and reach an answer<27000, in reality, like I alluded to, about 3000 miles. Ahhh but since we MUST account for curve we inject a variable that reduces our divisor to, surprise, a value in between 0-1 effectively increasing the total to>27000 or in this case the alleged 230 thousand miles or so of pure fantasy that is currently alleged as the distance today.

The videographed proof of this rests on YouTube and was presented by user Jeranism and friends. Here's the catch, I firmly believe Jeranism is cointelpro, BUT to remain credible, even the opposition must filter in truth from time to time. Not only is this a time but they placed video shots of the spreadsheet with the formulas on the screen and provided a detailed breakdown of every step of the calculation. So if you'd rather not wait for me to recreate, there's your source.



Masonic Globe Math

Here's the original globe and curvature math if I'm not mistaken :

8 inches per mile squared means as you add each mile to the formula, the curve gets steeper because it's allegedly a ball

So1 mile=8 inches*(1 mile^2)=8 inch "downward sloping curve" 1 mile out, or let's say we want to express that value in feet. 8 inches/12 inches (one foot)=0.666 feet
10 miles=8 inches*(10^2)=800 inches or 66.6 feet
100 miles=8 inches*(100^2)=80,000 inches or 6,666 feet

And this :



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Fun math related fact readers. I learned that the distance to the Moon, currently alleged to be about 230,000 miles away requires a special "curvature variable" in the trig formula to conclude this ridiculous value. When you apply the directly observed values to the trigonometry formula, surprise the Moon is about 3,000 miles away. I can revisit my source and lay the formula out here if requested, but it could take some time.

Now to Eratosthenes. His stick experiment "works" because you must assume large and far away sun. If you assume local smaller (think 3,000 miles away, same as moon, as also depicted by the Masons) sun and flat Earth, his experiment yields the same results." My Eratosthenes video is coming soon !!!

Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 02, 2018, 11:38:16 am
So basically, the Bible tells us that there is a dome above the earth, that the earth never moves and the sun and moon DO move and many other descriptions in the Bible can only be for an enclosed flat earth. The military nuked the dome and mapped it using nuclear weapons in the early 60s. elevision and radio waves are used in conjuction with the dome. Now, NASA (Never A Straight Answer) comes out with this garbage, as they always do for "damage control". This is a very interesting link that I found.


May 17, 2017
Space Science Reviews.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...-probes-spot-man-made-barrier-shrouding-earth

NASA's Van Allen Probes Spot Man-Made Barrier Shrouding Earth

Humans have long been shaping Earth’s landscape, but now scientists know we can shape our near-space environment as well. A certain type of communications — very low frequency, or VLF, radio communications — have been found to interact with particles in space, affecting how and where they move. At times, these interactions can create a barrier around Earth against natural high energy particle radiation in space. These results, part of a comprehensive paper on human-induced space weather, were recently published in Space Science Reviews.

What a joke - "they believe that . . . Maybe , , Uhh . . Maybe it . . Hah, they have no clue because everything has to be like it is . . . With no God !!!

1 minute

https://youtu.be/cFYoYUBGw4s


“A number of experiments and observations have figured out that, under the right conditions, radio communications signals in the VLF frequency range can in fact affect the properties of the high-energy radiation environment around the Earth,” said Phil Erickson, assistant director at the MIT Haystack Observatory, Westford, Massachusetts.



VLF signals are transmitted from ground stations at huge powers to communicate with submarines deep in the ocean. While these waves are intended for communications below the surface, they also extend out beyond our atmosphere, shrouding Earth in a VLF bubble. This bubble is even seen by spacecraft high above Earth’s surface, such as NASA’s Van Allen Probes, which study electrons and ions in the near-Earth environment.



The probes have noticed an interesting coincidence — the outward extent of the VLF bubble corresponds almost exactly to the inner edge of the Van Allen radiation belts, a layer of charged particles held in place by Earth’s magnetic fields. Dan Baker, director of the University of Colorado’s Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics in Boulder, coined this lower limit the “impenetrable barrier” and speculates that if there were no human VLF transmissions, the boundary would likely stretch closer to Earth. Indeed, comparisons of the modern extent of the radiation belts from Van Allen Probe data show the inner boundary to be much farther away than its recorded position in satellite data from the 1960s, when VLF transmissions were more limited.



With further study, VLF transmissions may serve as a way to remove excess radiation from the near-Earth environment. Plans are already underway to test VLF transmissions in the upper atmosphere to see if they could remove excess charged particles — which can appear during periods of intense space weather, such as when the sun erupts with giant clouds of particles and energy.




Related Links

More information about NASA’s Van Allen Probes
By Mara Johnson-Groh
NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.

Media contact: Sarah Frazier, NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.

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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 02, 2018, 01:24:45 pm
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 03, 2018, 10:12:49 am
From my good friend Gleason92 @ Theology Forums, the BIG Forum that I operate. Gleason is more advanced in his research, study and knowledge of flat earth than me perhaps and has years of experience behind him whereas I'm only 8 months into my study & research. Things are heating up in the top echelons of the flat earth "spokespeople" :


The flood as we know was not simply a rainstorm rather the windows of heaven opened so I would gather the levels could be higher than our current ice wall and could have reached the base of the dome beyond the wall. The ice wall may not have even existed in the days of Noah, before the great flood and the current ice could be a remnant from the great flood.

We will never know because the field of academic science and the longest running treaty in the history of humanity has a vested interest in ensuring we never know.

I mean this flood created the geologic column that academia deceptively uses as proof of old Earth while never admitting the perfectly reasonable alternative....a cataclysmic flood could have caused enough trauma to the sample, in a MUCH shorter timeframe, to yield the same results.

This is why it's silly that we are essentially reduced to "who has the biggest..... College credentials". It's the last vestige of a losing argument that begins with willful ignorance of what's already posted in these 70+ pages.

Of course going the "credential" route also can lead to Dr. Robert Sungenis, who is way more studied in academia than the likes of Cobra and xenn and after about 10 years of digging deep into the material concluded we live in a geocentric universe, which your may ascribe to as well and is just a stone's throw from flat Earth truth.

I must admit I have egg on my face. PJ has been promoting the documentary "the principle" for quite some time. I never carved out the time to watch it and felt a little guilty about that.

Now for those serious about flat Earth truth, this is the place to start.

What I didn't really realize, was this was the Kate Mulgrew narrated documentary and I watched it already in 2015 or 2016. See the documentary came out in in October of 14 I believe but there was this hoopla in MSM the prior April because the geniuses in academia cried they were bamboozled into looking foolish for supporting heliocentricity on a geocentrist documentary.

Those fake news articles the prior April were where I first stumbled on the great documentary. Secondly, I only knew of Dr. Sungenis from his Catholic apologetic work, I didn't know he was both a geocentrist since 2003 and the guy who made the principle.

Now, full disclosure, Dr. Sungenis believes the Earth is NOT flat. But the difference between the likes of him vs. A cobra or xenn is he both understands and respects the position and speaks to it intelligently using his education to engage in actual talking points. What he doesn't do is show silly pictures and handwave away all the ahem *problems* with the globe model.

If you have any interest, the latest developments in flat Earth truth are very intriguing.....

Kent Hovind is sick of addressing flat Earth questions directed to him so he recently partnered with Dr. Sungenis to tell the world how wrong we are. But Hovind is a heliocentrist so it's the old enemy of my enemy is my friend.

They then targeted Rob Skiba as the representative of flat Earth. Hovind then challenged Skiba to a debate, this all unfolded the past 2 weeks or so.

Skiba officially responded with a counter offer since it's not exactly fair with 2 on 1. Skiba said Hovind vs. Sungenis debate first on helio vs Geo and he'll debate the winner on flat Earth.

Hovind is pretending that's a solid no to his debate request so he's pretended to move on. I believe yesterday or today is the deadline for Hovind to respond. So if Hovind is a no to the debate, he loses and Skiba vs. Sungenis.

Well last night Skiba uploaded a one hour 45 minute interview between himself and Sungenis that is very enlightening and I highly recommend everyone watches
it.



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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 04, 2018, 10:52:42 am
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In my mind and with agreement in the flat earth community, the earth is the parts we know and live in surrounded by oceans. In the enclosed flat earth, the oceans are held in by an ice wall that circles what we call earth and thereby containing the water. As the images previous in this thread show and we all know that water MUST BE CONTAINED.

This also lines up perfectly with scripture as shown below as well as in other scriptures. In addition, it is believed that there could be hundreds, at least, or maybe thousands of miles of frozen unreachable land and ice and who knows? BEYOND the 360 degree circle of ice that surrounds us, and are the "bounds" for the waters in the earth, set by God according to scripture. This unknown land and ice and frozen tundra can't be reached and the "edge" can't be found because of distance, temps, weather, fuel capacity, communications and other factors.


People ask about the Four Corners of the earth in scripture and I say the land beyond the ice wall circle COUL D form a square shape with the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, (Isaiah 40:22 KJV - and he knew the difference between a ball and circle , as proven in scripture) and thus forming the Four Corners as shown in the image. Everything makes sense to me in this entire deception and flat earth reality of this earth. Please, never take my word for anything and research for yourself because that's the only way you can decide.



Proverbs 8:23-31 KJV -

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.






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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 06, 2018, 02:42:46 pm
On the second page of this thread or maybe the third page of this thread I will devote a whole page of 15 posts with scripture and Biblical evidence for a Flat Motionless Earth and an Enclosed Earth and Cosmos. This thread will not be for debating flat earth but I have a Debunking Flat Earth Thread here where I will debate all comers, even groups of globers.

Until the next two pages get here enjoy the first posts and videos and thank you for thinking on your own. Research in your spare time and in a few months you can make an educated decision based on the evidence and/or lack of evidence from both sides.

Please, if you begin to research this you must know that the Flat Earth Society is a Fake organization and does NOT represent true Flat Earthers. You don't have to be a Christian to believe what the Bible says or to consider the reality of the earth we live in.



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Here is a good video showing what science claims the earth, solar system and galaxy are doing non-stop for 4.7 billion years straight. No fricking way Jose !!! That is NOT what God tells us in the Bible many times over. The video is FOR a globe and is showing what they THINK we are doing. They go sar far as to say - "look the movement of the planets form a Vortex as they fly through space and Vortex means life !!!" What a joke, and most people believe it with no questions. Strong Delusion.


3 minutes
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 07, 2018, 04:05:38 am
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On the second day in the Genesis narrative the Lord calls for there to be a "firmament" in the "midst of the waters" to divide the waters:

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
(Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

The term "firmament" and its identity has been one of the greatest puzzles concerning the Creation account, mostly because of its Hebrew definition:

רָקִיעַ raqiya` raw-kee'-ah
from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.


רָקַע raqa` raw-kah'
a primitive root; to pound the earth (as a sign of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.


Most people interpret this to mean just the expanse of the sky (the atmosphere) or outer space, or both (which it is), but the full meaning goes well beyond that simplistic interpretation. The creation of the firmament is associated with the placement of some sort of structure.

Many modern scholars consign the term "firmament" as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word raqia as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles. It is rendered as "firmament" in the KJV. The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament). That structure and word choice can be explained in the context of the Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation of Genesis.

Young Earth Creationists have interpreted the "waters above the firmament" as a theoretical "water canopy" which once surrounded the Earth but no longer exists. They cite this as their source for the waters of Noah's flood. This is incorrect, and a concept that does not exactly hold water (pun intended) when closely examined within the literal framework of the Bible's Genesis narrative. The reason is because of what is said in this passage:


"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."
(Genesis 1:14-16 KJV)


This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "in" the firmament. Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those waters that are "above the firmament" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. That means these waters are above the visible cosmos. For some this is a hard pill to swallow, but that is exactly what the Bible is saying.

"Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens."
(Psalms 148:4 KJV)

The Bible says that all wisdom and knowledge is found in the Lord Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word of God (see Colossians 2:3). The same holds true for the Holy Scriptures, the written Word of God. According to the Scriptures, there is a physical/spiritual structure to the universe. The Apostle Paul makes reference to the importance of this knowledge in the book of Ephesians where he wrote:

"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."
(Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV)

Pay close attention to the structure of the grammar. Paul is speaking about two different things in this passage. The first is the structure of things, "the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;" and the second is, "to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge." The important key word here is the conjunction "And" which separates the two clauses. In other words, Paul is saying there are two things the believer can and should know. 1) The dimensions and structure of all things, which can be defined. 2) The love of Christ, which is beyond full comprehension by man. A corollary to the truth of this passage is found in this Old Testament proverb:

"The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings [is] unsearchable."
(Proverbs 25:3 KJV)

The firmament deals with the structure of the present heavens and Earth (Genesis 2:1), as opposed to the structure of the original heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). There is presently a three (3) heavens structure. In the old world of the original creation, there was a different configuration. Let's look back to Genesis 1:6 again and more closely examine that verse to determine that present structure and review something that we previously just touched on:

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so."
(Gen 1:6-7 KJV)
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On the second day of the creation, the Lord God "divided" the waters (plural) of the great "deep" into two parts with a "firmament" in the midst. According to Genesis 1:10, both the waters that were upon the face of the Earth and the waters which He placed ABOVE the firmament He called "Seas":

"And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good."
(Gen 1:10 KJV)

This is important to understand. We know that the waters on the Earth are called "Seas" in the Bible, but there is also another "Sea" that is spoken of in the Scriptures, and that one is above the firmament. (Special note: Notice that the word "Sea" is capitalized at Genesis 1:10 in the KJV Bible). But, exactly where is "ABOVE" the firmament? During the seven days of the Genesis regeneration the Lord God defined Three Heavens. The first heaven is the Earth's atmosphere:

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."
(Gen 1:20 KJV)

The second heaven is the vast expanse of the physical universe - outer space as we call it:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
(Gen 1:14 KJV)

These two heavens constitute a continuum called the "firmament," and this firmament is collectively called "Heaven":

"And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
(Gen 1:8 KJV)

The Third Heaven is above this upper "Sea," and this higher sea is below the Throne of God:

"And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind."
(Revelation 4:6 KJV)

Therefore, this particular "Sea" above the firmament is above the known physical universe. Since the sun, moon and stars are "in" the firmament this Sea MUST be above them. This is difficult for the science of man to fathom, but it is a Scriptural fact on cosmology. It represents a firm and impassable barrier between the world of man (below) and the abode of God (above). Here are some additional verses in the Bible which refer to this particular Sea:

"Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens."
(Psalms 148:4 KJV)

This is the "sea" that John saw in his visions:

"And before the throne [there was] a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind."
(Rev 4:6 KJV)

This is a present "sea" of separation that will no longer exist when God destroys the old world and makes all things new after the 1,000-year Kingdom of Heaven and the final judgment that follows:

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
(Revelation 21:1 KJV)

This "sea" is also spoken of in Exodus 20:11, the verse frequently quoted by Young Earth Creationists as a proof text to support their doctrine:


"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
(Exodus 20:11 KJV)

The reference to "the sea" in the above verse is a reference to the sea established above the firmament, NOT to any sea on the Earth's surface. Look at the English grammar of the verse. The heaven and Earth are set apart as separate and distinct entities and so is "the sea." That sea above the firmament was not made until the second day of Genesis. There is something even more important to notice about these waters above the firmament. Look again at the passage concerning the second day:

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
(Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

Something is missing there. Do you remember what was said previously? This work on the second day is the ONLY day in the Genesis narrative where the Lord does NOT say it "was good." Therefore, when you consider the statement the Lord makes in Genesis 1:31where He says that all that was made was "very good"...

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
(Genesis 1:31 KJV)

...it must be considered so in the context of circumstances. The context is the overall work of Reconstruction from Ruin and the preparation of the Earth and a new world for Man. The term "very good" does not mean "perfect," and the sea of separation placed between the world above and the world below was not good, but necessary. It would not be until the work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross that a way would be made for crossing that barrier (the sea, or waters, above the firmament).

The diagram below shows a comparison of these things to the structure and layout of Moses' Tabernacle, which is the same basic arrangement used in the layouts of the First and Second Jewish Temples in Jerusalem.


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The "Sea" under discussion is a barrier between the second and third heavens, represented by the veil between the 'Holy Place' and 'Holiest of All.' The 'Brazen Alter' represents the Earth where the sacrifice was to be made. The 'Laver' in Moses' Tabernacle, and the 'Molten Sea' (see below) in Solomon's Temple, were places for the priests to wash themselves before entering the 'Holy Place'.

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The Third Heaven

This now gives us a better understanding of what the Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he speaks of a place called the "third heaven":

"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven."
(2 Cor. 12:2 KJV)

Although the "third heaven" is not directly mentioned in the Genesis narrative, the established structure of all things is defined in Ezekiel 1:22 KJV)

The reason it appears like a smooth, crystal surface is because it is frozen:

"The waters are hid as [with] a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen."
(Job 38:30 KJV)

"And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness."
(Exodus 24:10 KJV)

It is also likened to glass:

"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."
(Revelation 15:2 KJV)

With this understanding of what exactly the Firmament is and the structure of all things that God made during the seven days, many things that were previously obscure suddenly take on real meaning and enrich the reader's understanding.

In summary, here is the structure of the physical world as it now exists from the face of the Earth upwards:

The lower sea of physical waters (our seas and oceans)
The first heaven (the atmosphere)
The second heaven (outer space)
The sea above outer space and below the third heaven (a sea of separation)
And above it all, there is the Third Heaven.
"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."
(Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV)

The structure of the heavens is a recurring theme throughout the Bible. It is reinforced (in typology) throughout the Bible. For example, it is likened to the floors of a building, which we call "stories" and, sure enough, the same word is even used in the KJV Bible. It is used to describe the design of the heavens:

"[It is] he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name."
(Amos 9:6 KJV)

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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 08, 2018, 10:36:37 am
This is a post by Gleason92 from Theology Forums, the Big Forum that I run. This post is just a glimpse of his expertise in debating this extremely important topic. I'm not even close to his level and he may post here once a month or more, God willing. This is a response from Gleason 92 to a typical "highly" educated (self professed on the interwebnet), FE Troll.


Gleason92 :

Xenn, stand in any hotel hallway, any one, but avoid the super 8s, I learned the hardway a few years back, you get what you pay for.

Standing in the hallway and looking straight to the other end you will notice all the wall lights slightly descending. Follow that perspective logically and the bottom begins to disappear first the further away the light is from the viewer on a flat path. Simple.

8 inches per mile squared is you spherical "curvature gradient", it doesn't change on a ball (and no we're not talking about elevation gradient so save the mountains), pick any one of the infinite points and from that starting point, it's 8 inches per mile squared in any direction; if that cannot be empirically supported, you could be Stephen Hawking trying to convince readers of sphericity to this plane and you'd still be just as wrong.

Xenn, are you the one or interplanner carrying on about the meteor showers? So the point of contention is that due to observable phenomena related to the Perseid shower we can confidently assert the Earth is a sphere traveling through space, revolving around the sun in full once a year, yet every August we pass through this asteroid belt which causes observable phenomena in our skies?

Ps-i almost forgot, we need "credentials" to engage in the discussion, so here's mine. I dropped out of elementary school after first grade. Unfortunately, I can't read or write. So as a result, I use a proxy in my stead to work a computer, read me the comments and dictate my replies back. But I'll put my almost completed first grade education up against your PhD any day when it comes to empirical support of curvature and any actual space imagery that makes sense and includes the objects claimed to exist "up there" and "on Earth", like polar caps or accurately sized continents.

You keep throwing this term gravity around like it's settled (I have a few anthropomorphic helium balloons that may disagree with your assertions) Ok, so let's clear the gravity waves and establish what it is before we point to it as some sort of "proof". I think that's only fair.

So, Scientifically Validate 'gravity', i.e.

1. What Phenomenon was Observed...?
2. Post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then EXPERIMENT that validates your claim...?
3. Highlight the "Independent Variable" that was used in the TEST...?
4. Post the Null Hypothesis that was Rejected/Falsified...?






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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 15, 2018, 08:52:08 pm
Just an update. I have a lot to cover with this subject and hopefully the first dozen posts give a good overview of Biblical Flat Earth. I haven't gotten to the scriptures yest but I will. Please look at the post at the top of this page also.

The biggest question people have and the biggest reason they will not research flat earth is because they think millions or at least tens of thousands of people would have to be "in on it" - Not so. Only 24 people are alleged to have ever been high enough to see a globe from space. Most are deceased. 24 people and whoever might have seen REAL ACTUAL IMAGES.

Conspiracies work on levels, layers. Like an onion. Everybody already believes in a globe so it's not hard to keep something a secret. Pilots don't goe high enough, satellite employees and contractors each do individual things with no knowledge of what they do in fake space.

The calculations and specifications are set to a globe because that's how they set them. They can easily use the same mathematics in flat earth. They don't know. GPS employees and Direct TV employees don't know. None of the above mentioned people CAN know.

So who is left? Lifetime appointed military and intelligence people and very few I would imagine. No temporary employee politicians will ever know. Trump has no clue. Perhaps certain world leaders and powerful men have know.

Even Einstein had no clue. No picture until 1972 and that's the ONLY one. Make sense? The point is that this is NOT a massive conspiracy involving millions of people that either lie or are just to stupid to know they are being duped.

Think about this. The globe only exists in your mind. No real images exist. Cartoons. CGI. Photo Shop. Artist drawings. Digital Creations. Outer Space is only in the movies and TV. You have NEVER seen it but by looking at the sky. Billions of people are in love with fake space pictures and propaganda. The globe in only in your imagination.

Imagine that the Holy Bible is true and that we are the center and focus of God's creation. We are in an enclosed flat earth and cosmos with a dome firmament above. Exactly like the Bible says. If you research the history of the occult and how it became science and the history of controlled cosmology and all of the numerous connections you'll see what I see. 8 months so far.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 03, 2018, 08:49:35 am
Learning Curve | Unveiling the Flat Earth ▶️️



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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 09, 2018, 04:58:20 pm
Journey to the Center of the Flat Earth | North Pole Hidden Land ▶️️



Many ancient cultures shared similar beliefs in a sacred place at the north pole, often described as a harmonious paradise. The Norse would call it Agartha. For Hindus it's referred to as Paradesha. The Greeks knew it as Hyperborea. The Celtics called it Avalon. Buddhists call it Shambhala and in the Bible, it's refered to as the Garden of Eden.

That's just a few of the names. In fact, this place has been dubbed the land of a thousand names. At the center of this paradise is the axis mundi (also called the cosmic axis, world axis, world pillar, center of the world and world tree).

This is said to be the connection between Heaven and Earth. In Norse mythology we have yggdrasil which is the tree of life. Known as Mount Meru in Buddhist, Jain and Hindu cosmology. It's a central world mountain that reaches high into the heavens and resting above it is the north star. Join me as we take a journey to the center of the earth.

We will be going over ancient myths, if you want to call them that, and cosmologies, old maps including the Mercator map of the arctic that showed hidden land, and movies that depict worlds beyond the north pole, including the new Stephen King movie 'The Dark Tower', which depicts a dark tower at the center of the universe that is very similar to the north pole rupes nigra aka black rock.

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Flat Earth Paradise: https://goo.gl/qXPKM7

Agartha: http://www.crystalinks.com/agartha.html

Hollow Earth: http://www.crystalinks.com/holloweart...

In search of Shambhala: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...

Unsolved Mysteries of Shambhala and Agartha:
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Mythology, Paradise, and the Inner World:
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ti...

Detailed description of 1606 Mercator Hondius Map of the Arctic (First Map of the North Pole): https://www.geographicus.com/P/Antiqu...

This may rightly be considered to be the world's first specific map of the North Pole. Mercator later reissued this map in an expanded format for his 1595 atlas. Following a number of important expeditions to the Arctic in subsequent 10 years, Mercator's successor Jodocus Hondius reissued the original 1595 map with a number of revolutionary and highly significant changes.

Our survey of this map must naturally being with the North Pole itself which Mercator envisions as a large black rock, the Rupes Nigra, surrounded by a great whirlpool into which four powerful rapid rivers flow. These rivers divide a massive continent-sized landmass into four distinct islands or countries.

In the midst of the four countries is a Whirl-pool, into which there empty these four indrawing Seas which divide the North. And the water rushes round and descends into the Earth just as if one were pouring it through a filter funnel. It is four degrees wide on every side of the Pole, that is to say eight degrees altogether. Except that right under the Pole there lies a bare Rock in the midst of the Sea. Its circumference is almost 33 French miles, and it is all of magnetic Ston


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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 13, 2018, 12:35:35 pm
BEST NASA FAILS AND FRAUD COMPILATION


Do you have a hard time convincing your friends and loved ones that NASA is fake? So do we, so we've put together this video which contains the best proofs on the internet that NASA is taking our money and used to deceive the world about what the world is. Share this video to wake everyone up to the greatest deception of our time!
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 20, 2018, 03:16:53 am
Is Flat Earth a Controlled Leak? B.o.B, Hollywood, the CIA & Google ▶️️


Is flat earth being pushed out into the consciousness of the masses on purpose? Maybe it is. It's something I always wonder. I always wonder what we can actually do and at times it seems like there's nothing we can do. We've been on lock down since the beginning of time from what I gather. Either way the earth is flat and motionless. We will be going over B.o.B, the CIA, the new Google Commercial with a reference to flat earth and Hollywood programming.


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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 22, 2018, 07:44:06 pm
Joshua 10:12-14 KJV -

Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.



Psalm 19 King James Version (KJV)

19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.


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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 22, 2018, 07:53:44 pm
Job 9 King James Version (KJV)

1 Then Job answered and said,

2 I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?

3 If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.

4 He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?

5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.

6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.

8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.

10 Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without number.

11 Lo, he goeth by me, and I see him not: he passeth on also, but I perceive him not.

12 Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?

13 If God will not withdraw his anger, the proud helpers do stoop under him.

14 How much less shall I answer him, and choose out my words to reason with him?

15 Whom, though I were righteous, yet would I not answer, but I would make supplication to my judge.

16 If I had called, and he had answered me; yet would I not believe that he had hearkened unto my voice.

17 For he breaketh me with a tempest, and multiplieth my wounds without cause.

18 He will not suffer me to take my breath, but filleth me with bitterness.

19 If I speak of strength, lo, he is strong: and if of judgment, who shall set me a time to plead?

20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

21 Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.

22 This is one thing, therefore I said it, He destroyeth the perfect and the wicked.

23 If the scourge slay suddenly, he will laugh at the trial of the innocent.

24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?

25 Now my days are swifter than a post: they flee away, they see no good.

26 They are passed away as the swift ships: as the eagle that hasteth to the prey.

27 If I say, I will forget my complaint, I will leave off my heaviness, and comfort myself:

28 I am afraid of all my sorrows, I know that thou wilt not hold me innocent.

29 If I be wicked, why then labour I in vain?

30 If I wash myself with snow water, and make my hands never so clean;

31 Yet shalt thou plunge me in the ditch, and mine own clothes shall abhor me.

32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

34 Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me:

35 Then would I speak, and not fear him; but it is not so with me.



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Job 26 King James Version (KJV)

1 But Job answered and said,

2 How hast thou helped him that is without power? how savest thou the arm that hath no strength?

3 How hast thou counselled him that hath no wisdom? and how hast thou plentifully declared the thing as it is?

4 To whom hast thou uttered words? and whose spirit came from thee?

5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.

6 Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.

7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.

9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it.

10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.


12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.

13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?



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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 29, 2018, 02:00:41 pm
ELITE SPACE ROCKETS AND ESCAPING THE FIRMAMENT


A recent article suggested that all the elite rich folks investing in space rockets may be to simply leave a dying earth behind. This makes us wonder if the Lord will judge those who go out into space, just like it seems to suggest in Obadiah and those who "dwell among the stars." Also, a little word study on "firmament" or "raqia" in Hebrew, and whether it is solid or not.


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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 05, 2018, 03:24:19 am
Sending Thor to Smash the Firmament?


Full Historic and Famous JFK speech in Houston


So, just when I thought it could not get any stranger, I go to Lubbock to do a conference on Nephilim and I meet a pastor who asks me if I know what the name Dominic means. After he tells me, I could not help but laugh. Again, if "they" are trying to avoid a conspiracy, the globalists are not helping with the names they use for their various "operations."

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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Scripter on October 21, 2018, 11:58:04 am
could you please stop showing cartoons that don't know how to communicate and don't say what they mean?  Is there a necessary connection between a FE and a vortex of movement?  why is the cartoon a fraud that does not show our system in its context with many others?  There is about 30 seconds of content there in over 3 minutes of video. 
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: guest2 on October 21, 2018, 12:35:44 pm
could you please stop showing cartoons that don't know how to communicate and don't say what they mean?  Is there a necessary connection between a FE and a vortex of movement?  why is the cartoon a fraud that does not show our system in its context with many others?  There is about 30 seconds of content there in over 3 minutes of video.
Those 30 seconds are a compilation of Flat Earth information.
Learn it.
How hard could it be?
After all it's only 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 02, 2018, 02:12:57 pm
Job 38 King James Version (KJV)

38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 11, 2018, 07:42:50 am
Ball-Earth Forced Indoctrination


In this video we'll discuss the mandatory indoctrination campaign foisted upon all generations of trusting and gullible toddlers.  While the heliocentric model can easily be shown to disagree with observable reality, the evidence for a flat and motionless Earth is mounting -- Yet there appears to be no end in sight to the forced indoctrination into ball Earth sophism and anti-logic.


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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 16, 2018, 08:19:29 am
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 22, 2018, 08:08:27 pm
Flat Earth Debate : Rob Skiba vs Robert Sungenis At FE2018 In Denver



In the first 30 minutes Rob Skiba gives a great explanation from the Bible about the firmament and a solid structure separating the waters above from the waters below.


Full Debate
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 25, 2018, 07:11:21 am
The heavens have an end and the heavens are measured and can be measured by God alone. Deep endless infinite space does not exist. As God tells here in Psalm 19, the sun's going forth (moving) is from the end of the heaven . . .  The sun moves, the moon moves, stars move, debris in the firmament move, the earth does NOT move.



Psalm 19 King James Version (KJV)

19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 05, 2018, 07:44:08 am
Landing On A Transparent Moon? ✅


Fascinating Lunar Eclipse From Norway 2018 - Proof The Moon Is Not Solid - Must See !!!


16 minutes
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 18, 2018, 03:52:30 pm
Flat Earth & The Mouse-Eared Psychodrama... [Noel Hadley - MIRRORED]



24 minutes and very worth it - watch or at least listen
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 29, 2018, 08:27:26 am
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 29, 2019, 08:33:48 pm
Bursting The GPS Bubble!!!


Watch the whole video



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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 25, 2019, 06:51:55 am
Galileo Was Wrong - The Heliocentric Lie


1. In 1905, Einstein added time dilation to length contraction because it was required to fit his theory, not because he “discovered”  it. It has since been applied  to everything under  the sun so  that  the Einstein advocates can claim that everything works by SRT. So let’s assume that the GPS satellites are in an inertial frame. The fact is, the light beams traveling east-to-west are faster by 50ns than the beams traveling west-to-east. But according to SRT, there should beno difference of the two beams since both are in an inertial frame.  (And if they are not in an inertial frame, then SRT cannot be applied). So, in order to hide this discrepancy to save SRT, the GPS computers are preprogrammed with a Sagnac correction so that it appears that the east bound beam is going the same speed as the westbound beam, and voila! SRT is “proved.”

2. EINSTEIN SAID THAT IF THERE WAS ANY ETHER IN SPACE, THEN HIS THEORY IS NULLIFIED. HE SAID : If Michelson-Morley is wrong, then Relativity is wrong.  (Einstein ; The Life and Times, p. 107.) So, Einstein simply dismissed the fractional ether drift of MMX as a mere artifact. But the sad fact is, scientifically speaking, artifacts would not have appeared in all the dozens of interferometer experiments performed over the next 80 years.

In 1921, Einstein wrote to a friend that if "the Miller experiments" produced positive results *"the whole relativity theory collapses like a house of cards."

Miller's experiments produced consistently positive results.

The experiments of Sagnac and Michelson & Gale are rarely mentioned. Until recently it was quite difficult to find a reference to them. As Dean Turner pointed out "One may scan Einstein's writings in vain to find mention of the Sagnac or Michelson-Gale experiments. The same can be said of general physics text-books and of the McGraw-Hill Encyclopaedia of Science and Technology...Such an oversight constitutes a stinging indictment of professional scientific reporting". It is indeed quite difficult to get information on these experiments. They seem to be such an embarrassment to relativity that those who know about them would rather not say too much.

Quite a number of relativity experts, however, do know about them, and when pressed many admit that they show the Special Theory of Relativity (the theory taught to all science students, and the basis for much of "modern physics") to be inadequate.

3. Not only has General Relativity failed to provide adequate answers for stellar aberration, rotation, and
action-at-a-distance (that is, without resorting to Mach’s “distant rotating masses”), Van  Flandern
reminds us that…

“…it is not widely appreciated that this [General Relativity] is a purely mathematical model,
lacking a physical mechanism to initiate motion. For example, if a “space-time manifold” (like
the rubber sheet) exists near a source of mass, why would a small particle placed at rest in that
manifold  (on  the  rubber  sheet) begin to move toward the source mass? Indeed, why would
curvature of the manifold even have a sense of “down” unless some force such as gravity
already existed. Logically, the small particle at rest on a curved manifold would have no reason
to end its rest unless a force acted on it.”

 “…all existing experimental evidence requires the action of fields to be conveyed much faster
than lightspeed. This situation is ironic because the reason why the geometric interpretation
gained ascendancy over the field interpretation is that the implied faster-than-light action of
fields appeared to allow causality violations [e.g., moving backwards in time, according to the
principles of Special Relativity]….Yet the field interpretation of General Relativity requires
faster than light propagation. So if Special Relativity were a correct model of reality, the field
interpretation would violate the causality principle, which is why it fell from popularity.”

4. It is rather interesting that Relativists, on the one hand, claim that light is limited to 186,000 mps in Special Relativity, but admit that Special Relativity does not incorporate gravity or inertial forces.

On the other hand, they claim gravity is limited to the speed of light because Special Relativity  says nothing can go  faster  than light. But if Special Relativity has nothing to do with gravity, then how can Special Relativity claim that gravity’s speed
is limited to light speed? 
 
Moreover, in General Relativity, light, and we presume gravity, is not limited to 186,000 mps, and that is
because General Relativity deals with frames that  include gravity and inertial forces. But if gravity itself
is a non-inertial frame, then how can it be limited to 186,000 mps by Special Relativity which only deals
with inertial frames? This shows that the two theories of Relativity contradict themselves.

5. Einstein and Infield wrote in The Evolution of Physics (1938) :

“…the theory of relativity resembles a building consisting of two separate storeys (sic), the special  theory and the general theory. The special theory, on which the general theory rests, applies to all physical phenomena with the exception of gravitation.”

On this Dr. Kelly comments :

“So, if the special theory loses its basis, the general theory is also without foundation.”

The only original big idea in “Einstein's” so-called theory of general relativity was curved space. Yet through the 1980s and 1990s, and  today with the Hubble space telescope, astronomers have methodically and painstakingly developed three-dimensional atlases of the universe. However, they  have detected no curvature of space. Theoretical physicist Paul LaViolette observes :

“If space were curved by even the slightest amount, evidence of this would have shown up in astronomical surveys. When the data are checked, however, no evidence of curvature is found. Observations of the density of galaxies found at distant locations of the universe indicate that space is Euclidian out to the farthest limits of observation.”



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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 26, 2019, 08:39:55 pm
This a rock band from St. Louis, my town, from 1975. As a flat earther I find the band name "Head East" and the debut album title of "Flat as a Pancake" rather interesting. I've heard this song all my life and never thought of it until just now. Did they know just like Lennon and Pink Floyd? Anyway, great song.

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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 13, 2019, 10:07:45 am
Tycho Brahe's Arguments (see the comment section)


Comment :

What we have in the history of western science is a fully formed highly detailed geocentric cosmology and mathematical astronomy in the form of the Syntaxis Mathematiké from Ptolemaeus from the middle of the second century CE. This lays out in great detail all of the arguments for and against both the geocentric and heliocentric cosmologies known to the Greek astronomers and cosmologist over a period of about six hundred years. Not exactly fragments of ideas!

These arguments are logically argued scientific hypotheses based on solid empirical observation made by Babylonian and Greek astronomers over a period of approximately nine hundred years. Thanks to Ptolemaeus we know exactly why geocentrism was the standard. A standard that was accepted and defended in the works of Plato, Aristotle and many other Greek philosophers and mathematical commentators. This standard was also maintained and defended by many, many Islamic philosophers and astronomers from about 800 CE into the Early Modern Period.

The geocentric hypotheses of Greek and Islamic cosmology and astronomy were not based on religious beliefs but on solid empirical observations. The religious views of the astronomers and cosmologists who presented those hypotheses did not play a significant role in their work.

However the three main players in the introduction of heliocentric cosmology in the Early Modern Period Copernicus, Kepler and Newton (contrary to popular opinion Galileo only played a very minor role) were all deeply religious and the religious views of two of them did play a highly significant role in their scientific thought.

Copernicus was a cannon of a Catholic cathedral. Kepler trained for the priesthood in a Lutheran seminary and remained devotedly religious all of his life believing that he was serving his God through his astronomical work. Newton was by any standards a religious fanatic who believed that he had been special chosen by God to reveal the secrets of His creation.



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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: guest8 on April 14, 2019, 09:03:18 pm
Tycho Brahe's Arguments (see the comment section)


Comment :

What we have in the history of western science is a fully formed highly detailed geocentric cosmology and mathematical astronomy in the form of the Syntaxis Mathematiké from Ptolemaeus from the middle of the second century CE. This lays out in great detail all of the arguments for and against both the geocentric and heliocentric cosmologies known to the Greek astronomers and cosmologist over a period of about six hundred years. Not exactly fragments of ideas!

These arguments are logically argued scientific hypotheses based on solid empirical observation made by Babylonian and Greek astronomers over a period of approximately nine hundred years. Thanks to Ptolemaeus we know exactly why geocentrism was the standard. A standard that was accepted and defended in the works of Plato, Aristotle and many other Greek philosophers and mathematical commentators. This standard was also maintained and defended by many, many Islamic philosophers and astronomers from about 800 CE into the Early Modern Period.

The geocentric hypotheses of Greek and Islamic cosmology and astronomy were not based on religious beliefs but on solid empirical observations. The religious views of the astronomers and cosmologists who presented those hypotheses did not play a significant role in their work.

However the three main players in the introduction of heliocentric cosmology in the Early Modern Period Copernicus, Kepler and Newton (contrary to popular opinion Galileo only played a very minor role) were all deeply religious and the religious views of two of them did play a highly significant role in their scientific thought.

Copernicus was a cannon of a Catholic cathedral. Kepler trained for the priesthood in a Lutheran seminary and remained devotedly religious all of his life believing that he was serving his God through his astronomical work. Newton was by any standards a religious fanatic who believed that he had been special chosen by God to reveal the secrets of His creation.



10 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEKOyGNLL58&t=384s

The Bible tells us, but nobody wants to believe it.

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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 17, 2019, 11:57:57 pm
YouTube took my main channel down and it killed most of the videos I've posted over the last 8 months. Sorry folks but it will take some time to find these videos again. The censorship is getting really bad now.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: guest73 on April 22, 2019, 01:00:12 pm
YouTube took my main channel down and it killed most of the videos I've posted over the last 8 months. Sorry folks but it will take some time to find these videos again. The censorship is getting really bad now.
That stinks and I have been hearing about that kind of censorship. Good luck.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Faulty on April 22, 2019, 11:39:21 pm
YouTube took my main channel down and it killed most of the videos I've posted over the last 8 months. Sorry folks but it will take some time to find these videos again. The censorship is getting really bad now.

You didn't have backups? Why didn't they take it down, just because of FE content, or were you one of the many hit with frivolous copyright strikes?
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 22, 2019, 11:51:41 pm
YouTube took my main channel down and it killed most of the videos I've posted over the last 8 months. Sorry folks but it will take some time to find these videos again. The censorship is getting really bad now.

You didn't have backups? Why didn't they take it down, just because of FE content, or were you one of the many hit with frivolous copyright strikes?
Yes, mostly because of FE I think but I asked the owner of the video I got a strike for to retract the claim and he did, thank God. So I got all three channels back. Now I have 5 total. They can't stop us, lol.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Faulty on April 23, 2019, 12:11:30 am
Five? Impressive. Why so many? I knew about one, just found two more right away. Not sure about the other two.

I was being reported several times a week on CF, primarily for something related to a FE discussion, or how their cosmology was more science than science fiction. Last night I was actually praying I could break away from that place, because it's an extremely toxic platform. Today, I log in and found they finally got me banned for a month. Anger was the first reaction, then I recalled I had just been praying for something like that. Feeling much better now. At least I won't get any more PM's telling me what an idiot I am and how I shouldn't allowed to breed (and other funny 'suggestions'). The persecution is real.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 23, 2019, 05:31:22 am
Five? Impressive. Why so many? I knew about one, just found two more right away. Not sure about the other two.

I was being reported several times a week on CF, primarily for something related to a FE discussion, or how their cosmology was more science than science fiction. Last night I was actually praying I could break away from that place, because it's an extremely toxic platform. Today, I log in and found they finally got me banned for a month. Anger was the first reaction, then I recalled I had just been praying for something like that. Feeling much better now. At least I won't get any more PM's telling me what an idiot I am and how I shouldn't allowed to breed (and other funny 'suggestions'). The persecution is real.
CF shut down several threads of mine because of reported posts. Then I was permanently banned but I kept appealing and they let me come back after 6 months. You would really like Theology Forums also. Free Speech and I'm the Admin. It's much bigger than here. I have five because I got two quick strikes on my main channel.

I made two back up channels but when my main channel got terminated they closed the other two so I had none. So my mom started a Google account and presto, two new channels. Then the copyright strike was retracted by the owner because I asked him and explained the situation. God blessed me and I got all three of MY channels back giving me five now. YT is out to get me though.



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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 23, 2019, 01:16:42 pm
Five? Impressive. Why so many? I knew about one, just found two more right away. Not sure about the other two.

I was being reported several times a week on CF, primarily for something related to a FE discussion, or how their cosmology was more science than science fiction. Last night I was actually praying I could break away from that place, because it's an extremely toxic platform. Today, I log in and found they finally got me banned for a month. Anger was the first reaction, then I recalled I had just been praying for something like that. Feeling much better now. At least I won't get any more PM's telling me what an idiot I am and how I shouldn't allowed to breed (and other funny 'suggestions'). The persecution is real.
You need an avatar Faulty. I made you a Moderator here. You don't have to do anything but you should be able to see and do more.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 09, 2019, 06:31:56 pm
Cosmology Has Some Big Problems





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https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/cosmology-has-some-big-problems/

What do we really know about our universe?

Born out of a cosmic explosion 13.8 billion years ago, the universe rapidly inflated and then cooled, it is still expanding at an increasing rate and mostly made up of unknown dark matter and dark energy ... right?

This well-known story is usually taken as a self-evident scientific fact, despite the relative lack of empirical evidence—and despite a steady crop of discrepancies arising with observations of the distant universe.

In recent months, new measurements of the Hubble constant, the rate of universal expansion, suggested major differences between two independent methods of calculation. Discrepancies on the expansion rate have huge implications not simply for calculation but for the validity of cosmology's current standard model at the extreme scales of the cosmos.

Another recent probe found galaxies inconsistent with the theory of dark matter, which posits this hypothetical substance to be everywhere. But according to the latest measurements, it is not, suggesting the theory needs to be reexamined.

It's perhaps worth stopping to ask why astrophysicists hypothesize dark matter to be everywhere in the universe? The answer lies in a peculiar feature of cosmological physics that is not often remarked. For a crucial function of theories such as dark matter, dark energy and inflation, which each in its own way is tied to the big bang paradigm, is not to describe known empirical phenomena but rather to maintain the mathematical coherence of the framework itself while accounting for discrepant observations. Fundamentally, they are names for something that must exist insofar as the framework is assumed to be universally valid.

Each new discrepancy between observation and theory can of course in and of itself be considered an exciting promise of more research, a progressive refinement toward the truth. But when it adds up, it could also suggest a more confounding problem that is not resolved by tweaking parameters or adding new variables.

Consider the context of the problem and its history. As a mathematically driven science, cosmological physics is usually thought to be extremely precise. But the cosmos is unlike any scientific subject matter on earth. A theory of the entire universe, based on our own tiny neighborhood as the only known sample of it, requires a lot of simplifying assumptions. When these assumptions are multiplied and stretched across vast distances, the potential for error increases, and this is further compounded by our very limited means of testing.

Historically, Newton's physical laws made up a theoretical framework that worked for our own solar system with remarkable precision. Both Uranus and Neptune, for example, were discovered through predictions based on Newton's model. But as the scales grew larger, its validity proved limited. Einstein's general relativity framework provided an extended and more precise reach beyond the furthest reaches of our own galaxy. But just how far could it go?

The big bang paradigm that emerged in the mid-20th century effectively stretches the model's validity to a kind of infinity, defined either as the boundary of the radius of the universe (calculated at 46 billion light-years) or in terms of the beginning of time. This giant stretch is based on a few concrete discoveries, such as Edwin Hubble's observation that the universe appears to be expanding (in 1929) and the detection of the microwave background radiation (in 1964). But considering the scale involved, these limited observations have had an outsized influence on cosmological theory.

It is of course entirely plausible that the validity of general relativity breaks down much closer to our own home than at the edge of the hypothetical end of the universe. And if that were the case, today's multilayered theoretical edifice of the big bang paradigm would turn out to be a confusing mix of fictional beasts invented to uphold the model along with empirically valid variables, mutually reliant on each other to the point of making it impossible to sort science from fiction.

Compounding this problem, most observations of the universe occur experimentally and indirectly. Today's space telescopes provide no direct view of anything—they produce measurements through an interplay of theoretical predictions and pliable parameters, in which the model is involved every step of the way. The framework literally frames the problem; it determines where and how to observe. And so, despite the advanced technologies and methods involved, the profound limitations to the endeavor also increase the risk of being led astray by the kind of assumptions that cannot be calculated.

After spending many years researching the foundations of cosmological physics from a philosophy of science perspective, I have not been surprised to hear some scientists openly talking about a crisis in cosmology. In the big “inflation debate” in Scientific American a few years ago, a key piece of the big bang paradigm was criticized by one of the theory's original proponents for having become indefensible as a scientific theory.

Why? Because inflation theory relies on ad hoc contrivances to accommodate almost any data, and because its proposed physical field is not based on anything with empirical justification. This is probably because a crucial function of inflation is to bridge the transition from an unknowable big bang to a physics we can recognize today. So, is it science or a convenient invention?

A few astrophysicists, such as Michael J. Disney, have criticized the big bang paradigm for its lack of demonstrated certainties. In his analysis, the theoretical framework has far fewer certain observations than free parameters to tweak them—a so-called “negative significance” that would be an alarming sign for any science. As Disney writes in American Scientist: “A skeptic is entitled to feel that a negative significance, after so much time, effort and trimming, is nothing more than one would expect of a folktale constantly re-edited to fit inconvenient new observations."

As I discuss in my new book, Metaphysical Experiments, there is a deeper history behind the current problems. The big bang hypothesis itself originally emerged as an indirect consequence of general relativity undergoing remodeling. Einstein had made a fundamental assumption about the universe, that it was static in both space and time, and to make his equations add up, he added a “cosmological constant,” for which he freely admitted there was no physical justification.

But when Hubble observed that the universe was expanding and Einstein's solution no longer seemed to make sense, some mathematical physicists tried to change a fundamental assumption of the model: that the universe was the same in all spatial directions but variant in time. Not insignificantly, this theory came with a very promising upside: a possible merger between cosmology and nuclear physics. Could the brave new model of the atom also explain our universe?

From the outset, the theory only spoke to the immediate aftermath of an explicitly hypothetical event, whose principal function was as a limit condition, the point at which the theory breaks down. Big bang theory says nothing about the big bang; it is rather a possible hypothetical premise for resolving general relativity.

On top of this undemonstrable but very productive hypothesis, floor upon floor has been added intact, with vastly extended scales and new discrepancies. To explain observations of galaxies inconsistent with general relativity, the existence of dark matter was posited as an unknown and invisible form of matter calculated to make up more than a quarter of all mass-energy content in the universe—assuming, of course, the framework is universally valid. In 1998, when a set of supernova measurements of accelerating galaxies seemed at odds with the framework, a new theory emerged of a mysterious force called dark energy, calculated to fill circa 70 percent of the mass-energy of the universe.

The crux of today's cosmological paradigm is that in order to maintain a mathematically unified theory valid for the entire universe, we must accept that 95 percent of our cosmos is furnished by completely unknown elements and forces for which we have no empirical evidence whatsoever. For a scientist to be confident of this picture requires an exceptional faith in the power of mathematical unification.

In the end, the conundrum for cosmology is its reliance on the framework as a necessary presupposition for conducting research. For lack of a clear alternative, as astrophysicist Disney also notes, it is in a sense stuck with the paradigm. It seems more pragmatic to add new theoretical floors than to rethink the fundamentals.

Contrary to the scientific ideal of getting progressively closer to the truth, it looks rather like cosmology, to borrow a term from technology studies, has become path-dependent: overdetermined by the implications of its past inventions.






This article is based on edited excerpts from the book Metaphysical Experiments: Physics and the Invention of the Universe, published by University of Minnesota Press.

The views expressed are those of the author(s) and are not necessarily those of Scientific American.














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Jude King James Version (KJV)


1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.



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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 25, 2019, 10:02:01 pm
Job 38 King James Version (KJV)

38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.



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Job 26

He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.

9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it.

10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.

13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?







Job 38

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,





Psalm 19


God measures the heavens and the earth and the have an END and can ONLY be measured by God alone. Deep Space or endless infinite space does not exist. As God tells us here in Psalm 19, the sun's going forth (moving) is from the end of the heaven . . .  The sun and moon move above the stationary earth, stars move, debris in the firmament move, the earth does NOT move. There are the ENDS of Heaven and the ENDS of the Earth, Four Corners, Four Winds and Four Angels.





Psalm 19 King James Version (KJV)

19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.






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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 23, 2019, 08:49:33 pm
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 02, 2019, 07:44:04 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKKqLl_ZEEY

Stand
R.E.M.

Stand in the place where you live
Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before

Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

If you are confused, check with the sun
Carry a compass
🗺🌎🧭👈 to help you along

Your feet are going to be on the ground
Your head is there to move you around
So, stand in the place where you live
Now face north

Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before
Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

Your feet are going to be on the ground
Your head is there to move you around

If wishes were trees the trees would be falling
Listen to reason
Season is calling

Stand in the place where you live
Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before

Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

If wishes were trees the trees would be falling
Listen to reason
Reason is calling

Your feet are going to be on the ground
Your head is there to move you around
So stand (stand)

Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before
Now stand (stand)

Now face west
Think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

Stand in the place where you live
Now face north
Think about direction, wonder why you haven't before

Now stand in the place where you work
Now face west, think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before

Stand in the place where you are (now face north)
Stand in the place where you are (now face west)
Your feet are going to be on the ground (stand in the place where you are)
Your head is there to move you around, so stand


Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Bill Berry / Peter Buck / Michael Mills / Michael Stipe
Stand lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLxpNiF0YKs&list=WL&index=12&t=0s
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 03, 2019, 03:20:54 pm
https://medium.com/@ObamaWhiteHouse/a-new-blue-marble-39c2fe1b5b3c



NASA and the White House admit that no complete images of earth exist and are impossible to take.

https://medium.com/@ObamaWhiteHouse/a-new-blue-marble-39c2fe1b5b3c

https://medium.com/@ObamaWhiteHouse/a-new-blue-marble-39c2fe1b5b3c





The best flat earth video still to this day - watch carefully for many flat earth proofs -

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0llFo8PxJSI/



Banned By YouTube -


https://www.bitchute.com/video/TW7eTD5ve58Z/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 07, 2020, 04:43:02 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sNWSIPHvM4
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 22, 2020, 10:55:06 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSHqrD-7Tfk
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 24, 2020, 05:26:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_b1-J9PSQ
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 28, 2020, 07:48:24 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo8ZaYCyybw
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: guest8 on January 28, 2020, 05:30:28 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo8ZaYCyybw

The signs are there, all one has to do is look.


Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 31, 2020, 08:19:16 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJlHER0AnKQ
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: guest8 on February 07, 2020, 10:38:52 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BwjVMrt-uY

Ah, that serpent of old.
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 16, 2020, 11:40:04 am
NASA and the White House admit that no complete images of earth exist and are impossible to take.

https://medium.com/@ObamaWhiteHouse/a-new-blue-marble-39c2fe1b5b3c




The best flat earth video still to this day - watch carefully for many flat earth proofs -

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0llFo8PxJSI/



Banned By YouTube -


https://www.bitchute.com/video/TW7eTD5ve58Z/
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 16, 2020, 08:46:57 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPoAdfHzRyQ
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 17, 2020, 08:44:03 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoaGb9dBoMM
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 18, 2020, 03:38:51 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QdUhNY6DnY
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 18, 2020, 09:31:58 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K87w1B019s&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 25, 2020, 12:42:20 pm
THIS IS POST NUMBER 10,000 ON THIS FORUM - THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH !!!
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 29, 2020, 08:21:02 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj5Ye6TrqlA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 09, 2020, 08:33:34 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ael_N_HiWSU
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 12, 2020, 08:20:23 am
Maps Show How the Physical Internet Literally Connects the World


Former Alaska Senator Ted Stevens called the Internet “a series of tubes.” Sociologically, it’s something more than that, but on a physical level, he’s basically right. Easy as it is to forget, the information that appears on our screen generally travels first through a vast network of fiber-optic cables.

But where exactly does it go on its journey? A new set of images published in this week’s issue of Fortune provides some of the clearest and prettiest pictures yet. They’re based on maps from GeoTel Communications, a company that specializes in “telecommunications geography.”

GeoTel’s CEO, Dave Drazen, tells me the information is derived from major U.S. based carriers and publically available sources. He notes that the maps aren’t comprehensive—they don’t include military or government installations, for instance. Still: wow.


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This image from GeoTel Communications and Fortune shows some of the major fiber-optic lines that carry Internet traffic between the world’s continents.
GeoTel Communications and Nicolas Rapp/Fortune magazine
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 21, 2020, 11:17:15 am
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Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 08, 2020, 03:46:26 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8vJJOxm2mo
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 10, 2020, 03:23:47 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRqr-eM5mTs
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 14, 2020, 07:52:20 pm
http://[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdjRkHg58B0[/url]
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 23, 2020, 12:12:24 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soMMqSgpJe4
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 30, 2020, 04:36:04 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIJ89PPmByY
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 25, 2020, 07:15:11 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIBXHAD-Ugc
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 25, 2020, 07:16:49 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41EpDcb-uCc
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 02, 2020, 11:59:45 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMpWaBYuJnQ
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 11, 2020, 10:23:12 am
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https://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2020/june/conspiracy-theories-engaging-online-and-wisdom-intersection.html







Conspiracy Theories, Engaging Online, and Wisdom: The Intersection of the Three and How to Respond Biblically










While social media offers amazing opportunities to connect and learn, it seems that every new day brings new stories of awfulness.


One of the things I love about living in a major city like Chicago is that if I miss the train into the city I don’t have to wait long for the next one. Unfortunately, the same is true of examples of bad behavior on social media. While social media offers amazing opportunities to connect and learn, it seems that every new day brings new stories of awfulness. Baptizing the quote often ascribed to Churchill: the greatest argument against humanity’s inherent goodness is five minutes scrolling through the average social media feed.

In recent months this tendency has only increased. Since Ed and I wrote an editorial for the Dallas Morning News on the importance of church leaders’ discipling their people on social media habits, multiple controversies have erupted. Most often these have revolved around conspiracy theories being promoted about the motivations and actions of the protests.

Given the enduring importance of conspiracy theories, I want to circle back to some of the criticism of the DNS article before focusing on few preliminary suggestions on how Christians can begin to think through healthy online habits.

The Problem of the Media

Several responses to my article in the Dallas Morning News pointed out that their suspicion of mainstream media outlets often arises from clear incidents of bias in their reporting. This is fair criticism.

The reality is that the state of reporting on religion—and particularly in reporting on evangelicalism—is quite poor. Major outlets get obvious facts wrong about simple beliefs that betrays both a lack of knowledge about the material they’re reporting on and a laziness to not search out the answer.

Google examples of where outlets have tried to define “Calvinism” and you’ll find answers that range from simplistic to malicious caricatures. It is not hard to pick up the phone and call a pastor or seminary professor for help, but this is somehow deemed not important.

More distressingly, some outlets seem intent upon pointing to outliers as examples of evangelical behavior while ignoring the wide majority. This was evident in March when outlets focused on churches and pastors who defied shelter-at-home orders and tried to pawn miracle cures for the virus.

Literally thousands of pastors led the way on closing their churches and serving their communities, often at significant personal loss, but these were obscured.

Going Too Far

What becomes problematic is when critics of the mainstream media use these examples to push Christians to dismiss all journalism. This is often to the benefit of fringe, sometimes religiously-informed news outlets who feed a narrative that Christians are victims of a conspiracy and only they hold the truth.

Having acknowledged the failures in journalism, it is critical that Christians resist the temptation to reject mainstream reporting altogether. This is a critical mistake that leads us down the pathway to isolation whereby we invalidate any news article we find unfavorable.

Moreover, there are good journalists in major outlets, even religion journalists who strive to understand and report on evangelicalism in all fairness. At times, this leads them to our failures, but in other cases they want to detail the nuance and complexity within the movement. I might not always agree with them, but I respect their integrity and desire to report honestly.

This all-or-nothing mentality also suggests a poor understanding of Christian engagement. Our goal should be a maturity to engage the new reporting of our time with a critical eye rather than to shout bias upon seeing the outlet logo. We need to read critically across a wide range, accepting hard truths that are well supported rather than if they support our political or cultural narrative. We need to resist our temptations to echo chambers; a temptation that is common to many other subcultures across the globe.

Taking Steps

One of the frustrating takeaways from articles on social media is how they can often have great data or insights on to why and how our online platforms are useful and/or destructive but they can leave the reader at a dead end. After outlining the problem, they can often leave people with little insight into how to respond.

Even as they seem indispensable, social media platforms are new and healthy habits remain unclear. In this respect, I believe that the book of James offers a few preliminary insights in thinking through our online presence.

Lesson One: Is Christ Lord of your social media?

At first glance, this is an easy question. Anyone who’s gone through Sunday School will be quick to say that Christ is Lord. Indeed, their social media profile says “Christian” and likely includes a bible verse or two. But Christ being Lord of your social media is less a matter of what your profile says and more a matter of what you say and how you relate to others.

Just like wearing WWJD bracelets in the 1990s did not qualify, social media profiles can be misleading and even destructive if the heart behind them is not submitted to Christ.

In the Dallas Morning News piece, I paraphrased James 3:11-12 in saying that out of the same social media account cannot come professions of the risen Christ and accusations of #pizzagate. My point was, building on James, that Christians need to recognize that they cannot separate their Christian witness from their political posts.

How we speak to one another, the kinds of stories we elevate, and the language we choose all flow out of this question of lordship.

Lesson Two: Ask for Wisdom

I love that James opens with the encouragement for Christians to ask for wisdom. That James leaves it opened ended (“If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God…”) is designed to provoke in the heart of the believer the obvious response that we all lack wisdom.

Indeed, later in James the author circles back to this this theme: “Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth.”

In a climate where truth is often secondary, we would do well to ask God for wisdom in navigating not only what we should read but what we should post. Moreover, we need to recognize how our casualness regarding the truth and brash arrogance are symptoms of rebellion not qualities to be admired. If you are uncertain during this time, bring your need before God in prayer.

Into this, James reminds us that God “gives generously to all without reproach.” If you are struggling to know who to listen to, start with prayer.

Lesson Three: Hit Pause

One of the central lessons of James that social media tends to warp is the importance of being “quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to anger” (1:19). The pace of our news cycles and our exchanges make it nearly impossible to hold off. We think it’s necessary to let others see how angry we are about something someone did or said.

Even as my column encouraged Christians to hear this encouragement and hit pause, it is stunning how quickly we can rush past James’ warning and fire away on social media.

Long ago, my father taught me one of the most valuable lessons when email was still relatively new: never send an angry email. Save it in your drafts and pray on it for at least 24 hours. I currently have dozens of saved emails from the past decade that I wrote in anger but held off on sending.

In some cases, God resolved the situation without my anger; in others, he gave me peace despite a lack of resolution. In every case, I realized that the email would only satisfy my rage and they remain in my drafts as testimonies to the wisdom in James.

It is critical that we understand that just because we’re behind a screen, this does not absolve us from James’ warning regarding anger. Instead, let me encourage you to adopt a similar practice as with my emails: if you’re going to tweet or post something in anger, bitterness, or mean spiritedness, save in your drafts and give it 24 hours.

Let God’s Spirit speak to you about whether the situation really needs this message. At its core, this willingness to submit our anger to God’s voice is a testament that, going back to lesson one, Christ is the Lord of our social media.

Andrew MacDonald is associate director of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Institute.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 12, 2020, 11:49:59 am
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Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 19, 2020, 10:42:20 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHLJ0wXrQhI
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 20, 2020, 03:02:12 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqzlQPlCv44
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 29, 2020, 06:41:19 pm
In other news, the "quantum cube-sat network" keeps pushing forward...


9 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Hi4r_MEQQ
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 19, 2020, 08:43:45 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X10yCRt39bs
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 07, 2020, 07:31:52 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VL37kYuB50
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 10, 2020, 07:44:44 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHljWww1YSA
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 22, 2020, 12:03:49 pm
A New Blue Marble
JULY 20, 2015 AT 12:04 PM ET BY SCOTT KELLY


https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/07/20/new-blue-marble

https://medium.com/@ObamaWhiteHouse/a-new-blue-marble-39c2fe1b5b3c

Summary: NASA releases its new "Blue Marble" photo -- the first such photo since 1972, and the first of many more to come later this year.


Ed. note: This is cross-posted on Medium.

No one on this planet had ever seen a whole picture of the Earth until 1972.

We knew we lived on it, and had a vast amount of useful information about its makeup, its processes, and its place in the solar system. At the time, some of the most insightful individuals had begun to understand that we, the people who live on Earth, actually had the ability to influence the processes taking place on our planet.

But it was hard for many people to grasp this concept. It seemed abstract, distant, hard to visualize.

Enter “Blue Marble”:

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It was the first full photo of the Earth, taken on December 7, 1972, by the American crew of the Apollo 17 spacecraft. The original Blue Marble is thought by many to be the most-reproduced image of all time.


What made the Blue Marble so special? Sure, it might have been the first full photo of the Earth that we took, but we’ve taken a bunch more since then.

Like this one.

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And this one.


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And this one.

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So why is the “Blue Marble” a bigger deal than these? Turns out, it’s quite tricky to take a good photo of the entire Earth.

The first challenge is that our planet is big. The only way to view all of it at once is to get much farther away from the Earth than we do for many of our activities in outer space. The International Space Station, for instance, orbits at a height of just 400 kilometers, or about 249 miles away from Earth.

The second problem is a familiar one that plagues many photographers who are Earthbound: lighting. In order to view the Earth as a fully illuminated globe, a person (or camera) must be situated in front of it, with the sun directly at his or her back. Not surprisingly, it can be difficult to arrange this specific lighting scheme for a camera-set up that’s orbiting in space at speeds approaching thousands of miles per hour.

As a result of these challenges, NASA, NOAA, and other science agencies most often rely on composite images to depict our planet. These images stitch together multiple high-resolution snapshots taken by satellites already in orbit to produce one seamless portrait of the Earth. And that’s what the three photos above are: composite images produced by NASA over the past fifteen years (released respectively in 2002, 2007, and 2012).

Composite imaging is an extremely useful tool for helping people understand the Earth — they allow researchers to capture certain features at higher resolution; reduce the obscuring effect of cloud coverage in certain areas; and overlay various data layers to help identify patterns and trends. Composites can result in some truly remarkable images, like this “Black Marble,” which, by stitching together multiple views of the planet, shows a full global view of the Earth’s city lights.



But there’s something remarkable about a single snapshot of the Earth — an intact view of our planet in its entirety, hanging in space.

Apollo 17 astronaut Eugene Cernan explained:

“…you’re looking at the most beautiful star in the heavens — the most beautiful because it’s the one we understand and we know, it’s home, it’s people, family, love, life — and besides that it is beautiful. You can see from pole to pole and across oceans and continents and you can watch it turn and there’s no strings holding it up, and it’s moving in a blackness that is almost beyond conception.”

That’s why today, I am excited to see that NASA has released its new Blue Marble, the first of many more to come later this year.



This Blue Marble is the first fully illuminated snapshot of the Earth captured by the DSCOVR satellite, a joint NASA, NOAA, and U.S. Air Force mission. After launching in February 2015, DSCOVR spent months rocketing away from Earth before reaching its final orbit position in June 2015 at Lagrange point 1 (L1), about one million miles away from Earth. (A Lagrange point, in case you were wondering, is “a position where the gravitational pull of two large masses precisely equals the centripetal force required for a small object to move with them.” For our purposes, that means that a Lagrange point is a spot at which a satellite can maintain a fixed position relative to the Earth.)



The DSCOVR mission serves several important purposes, including providing scientific data on heat and radiation fluxes across the Earth’s atmosphere, and maintaining the nation’s ability to provide timely alerts and forecasts for space weather events, which can disrupt telecommunications capabilities, power grids, GPS applications, and other systems vital to our daily lives and national and local economies.

And with its Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera (which has an epic acronym. Seriously. It’s EPIC), DSCOVR will capture and transmit full images of the Earth every few hours! The information gathered by EPIC will help us examine a range of Earth properties, such as ozone and aerosol levels, cloud coverage, and vegetation density, supporting a number of climate science applications.

One of the best parts of this mission is that NASA will make all of the data, data products, and images collected by DSCOVR freely available to the public, including the new “Blue Marble” images. Later this year, you’ll be able to view and download new “Blue Marble” images taken by DSCOVR every day.

In addition to providing useful data to scientists and researchers, these images will remind all of us that we live on a planet, in a solar system, in a universe. And that we are not just Americans, but citizens of Earth.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 23, 2020, 11:52:26 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bebl31yOO0
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 29, 2020, 06:41:28 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQYzqS_8Ww
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Wayne Gabler on September 02, 2020, 07:09:18 pm
Does the mileage fit the flat earth model? The distance in the south seas flat earth map do not match the speed records of the racing yachts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su6bhoeHWXY
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 02, 2020, 07:16:10 pm
Post that in the Can you Debunk flat earth Thread
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 02, 2020, 07:43:29 pm
Does the mileage fit the flat earth model? The distance in the south seas flat earth map do not match the speed records of the racing yachts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su6bhoeHWXY
Wrong thread Wayne see the post above. Is this a "globe proof" you found all on your own? It's hogwash and you have no clue what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 03, 2020, 10:16:02 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwelRMZQwns
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 05, 2020, 11:21:20 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWh8PBxkl5c
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 09, 2020, 08:59:14 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em4Kcs3xSJs&list=WL&index=39&t=0s
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 10, 2020, 09:40:38 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5F0tbAXG1c
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 02, 2020, 10:53:14 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGTTYDdx1GI
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 06, 2020, 09:13:26 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ora7lQMdcMo
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 09, 2020, 08:12:05 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4sfJ6POrnA
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 11, 2020, 11:08:16 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG3vnZI8MWU
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 24, 2020, 07:45:41 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDfE1cxt6Is
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 25, 2020, 08:35:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFMYFatpO1k
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 05, 2020, 07:24:13 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNydtpKnz9c


The idea that our planet consists of a hollow, or honeycombed, interior is not new. Some of the oldest cultures speak of civilizations inside of vast cavern-cities, within the bowels of the earth. According to certain Buddhist and Hindu traditions, secret tunnels connect Tibet with a subterranean paradise, and they call this legendary underworld Agartha. In India, this underground oasis is best known by its Sanskrit name, Shambhala, thought to mean 'place of tranquility.'
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 05, 2020, 06:48:39 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX_eBzCdBTk
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 13, 2020, 10:45:00 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KrsahT7bMM
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 15, 2020, 07:19:08 am
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Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 18, 2020, 07:15:27 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS5qOn3TWvY&t=157s
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 25, 2020, 10:10:41 pm
Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.

3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.

4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.

16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.

19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.

20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:

21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:


30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.

33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.

36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 27, 2020, 08:35:36 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkwWp-53Zxg
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 21, 2021, 08:34:17 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_faJN6MNECY
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 28, 2021, 11:48:56 am
Isaiah knew the difference between a "ball" and a "circle" - He used the Hebrew word for ball in his writings but he called earth "the circle of the earth" not a globe flying through space and rotating.


Enoch says the sun and moon are the same size and when measured with a Sextant the sun and moon are approximately 3,000 miles above the earth and both are about 32 miles in diameter. The Bible is 100% true and accurate in every creation account, earth, sun, moon and stars descriptions and the solid firmament separating the waters.


Shall not be "removed" yes indeed, not "moved" but there are many other verses where the earth is never moved - UNLESS God does it in His wrath. It's hard to accept that what we were taught is incorrect but I believe that "science" and the military do not know the true size of the earth and beyond the Antarctic Circle lies tens of thousands of miles of frozen tundra, unexplorable because they can't travel that far to explore in those conditions.


They have known earth is not a globe and is stationary since about 1946 with the first rocket, the V2. They couldn't come out and declare that science and Copernican cosmology is wrong, could they? Tell us all that the Bible is correct and God is right above us? Unthinkable. We never went to the moon either and deep space is fake, all CGI. There are no images of a complete ball earth from space, still in 2021.


So, they keep sending Space X rockets up and out to try to measure the earth. Nearly every astronaut has been or currently IS a Freemason. I have seen the earth from 5 miles above the earth, over 120,000 feet - they see the same thing hundreds of miles - MILES above the earth and they do not see curvature. They see a level plain, endless and immeasurable and the horizon always remains at eye level, which is impossible on a ball. No conspiracies here, although they are real, just basic observation and common sense, knowing the evil human nature of those in power.


Michelson-Morley proved the earth doesn't move in 1887 and it disturbed Einstein who set out to prove Copernican theory, hence Special Relativity. The earth shall be established that it should not be moved Psalm 104:5 - and another one of many - 1 Chronicles 16:30 KJV - “Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.”


Psalm 19 KJV
The sun runs a circuit as a strong man the moon and sun move above the earth, as do the stars. Everything that is above the earth moves yet the earth is fixed and stationary.


Job 26:10 KJV - He hath compassed the waters with bounds until the day and night come to an end. The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at His reproof.


For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.


They are hiding GOD and the globe was satan's creation (deep thought required here) Think of the "globe" and how it changes our entire perception of reality and thus God. I believe the globe is the biggest deception since the garden, and since creation the battle has continued.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: guest73 on February 07, 2021, 09:34:48 pm
Invading Antarctica: Secret South Pole Colony - ROBERT SEPEHR


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLPedQdHAKc

Operation Highjump was commanded by Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd, lasted six-months (Aug 1946 – Feb 1947), and included 4,700 armed personnel, thirteen ships and thirty-three aircraft. Still classified and officially titled the United States Navy Antarctic Developments Program, their covert mission was to seek out and destroy an alleged subterranean South Polar colony established by Germany, before and during WW2, which not only harbored thousands of scientists in a semi-secret secluded base, but free energy technology and advanced propulsion craft (UFOs).
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: guest8 on February 12, 2021, 07:09:13 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqSgv5or8aY

The cosmos is simply a electric light show....


If they can fool you on TV that something is what it is not, then cannot GOD do the same thing only better?

Blade
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 20, 2021, 09:03:16 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t-8t6KAH1c&t=2s
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 20, 2021, 09:21:57 am
Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.

2 I thought it good to shew the signs and wonders that the high God hath wrought toward me.

3 How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.

4 I Nebuchadnezzar was at rest in mine house, and flourishing in my palace:

5 I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts upon my bed and the visions of my head troubled me.

6 Therefore made I a decree to bring in all the wise men of Babylon before me, that they might make known unto me the interpretation of the dream.

7 Then came in the magicians, the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers: and I told the dream before them; but they did not make known unto me the interpretation thereof.

8 But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my God, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying,

9 O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.

10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

12 The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.

13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;

14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:

15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:


16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

18 This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy gods is in thee.

19 Then Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, was astonied for one hour, and his thoughts troubled him. The king spake, and said, Belteshazzar, let not the dream, or the interpretation thereof, trouble thee. Belteshazzar answered and said, My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies.

20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;

21 Whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation:

22 It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.

23 And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;

24 This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the most High, which is come upon my lord the king:

25 That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

26 And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.

27 Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.

28 All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.

29 At the end of twelve months he walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon.

30 The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?

31 While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.

32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.

34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.

37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 27, 2021, 10:05:20 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcXpkkFrb00
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: guest125 on February 28, 2021, 06:13:16 pm
The moon is made of green cheese.

No, not really.... but that's a more credible claim than to say that man has ever walked on the surface of it.

The surface is luciferin.  Before you accuse me of some sort of demonic affiliation- consider what that means.  It means "light-bearing."

Think luminescent, phosphorescent or "glow-in-the-dark" if you prefer.  Don't be fooled.  It isn't a rock in the sky that reflects the light of the sun.  It carries it's own light.  Luciferin.  Translucent in the day-- light emitting in the dark.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: guest8 on February 28, 2021, 08:17:18 pm
The moon is made of green cheese.

No, not really.... but that's a more credible claim than to say that man has ever walked on the surface of it.

The surface is luciferin.  Before you accuse me of some sort of demonic affiliation- consider what that means.  It means "light-bearing."

Think luminescent, phosphorescent or "glow-in-the-dark" if you prefer.  Don't be fooled.  It isn't a rock in the sky that reflects the light of the sun.  It carries it's own light.  Luciferin.  Translucent in the day-- light emitting in the dark.

You do have a unique way of putting things right....Thanks

Blade
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 10, 2021, 12:30:17 pm
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6f/7f/d8/6f7fd8e282f334ad87ef0fbeb0fbcd37.jpg)
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 10, 2021, 12:39:08 pm
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/83/70/a4/8370a403482e09ea9f2d25a8295a0613.jpg)
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 14, 2021, 06:21:24 am
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.

Buddha
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 14, 2021, 10:29:40 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alP_mD704ns
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 20, 2021, 10:48:27 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ4Bnrif9No
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 31, 2021, 08:10:58 pm
Invading Antarctica: Secret South Pole Colony - ROBERT SEPEHR


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLPedQdHAKc

Operation Highjump was commanded by Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd, lasted six-months (Aug 1946 – Feb 1947), and included 4,700 armed personnel, thirteen ships and thirty-three aircraft. Still classified and officially titled the United States Navy Antarctic Developments Program, their covert mission was to seek out and destroy an alleged subterranean South Polar colony established by Germany, before and during WW2, which not only harbored thousands of scientists in a semi-secret secluded base, but free energy technology and advanced propulsion craft (UFOs).
Blade, Mark, TJ if you haven't listened to this you should. Very interesting.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 01, 2021, 07:34:43 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJzJFz5C2XM
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 01, 2021, 07:42:09 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVTQEnAnZt4
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 03, 2021, 05:23:30 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxCj__3b0mw
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 06, 2021, 08:14:22 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V7Z0SZftl0
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 09, 2021, 03:01:50 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sliX_hXWCQw
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 11, 2021, 10:23:10 pm
Antarctica and the Odin Departure - ROBERT SEPEHR



New Swabia (German: Neuschwabenland) was an Antarctic territory  annexed by Germany within the Norwegian claim of Queen Maud Land, an area of Antarctica between 20°E and 10°W . Parties to the Antarctic Treaty have agreed to restrict human access to 16 areas of special scientific or environmental value in Antarctica.

Invading Antarctica: Secret South Pole Colony

Operation Highjump was commanded by Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd, lasted six-months (Aug 1946 – Feb 1947), and included 4,700 armed personnel, thirteen ships and thirty-three aircraft. Still classified and officially titled the United States Navy Antarctic Developments Program, their covert mission may have been to seek out and destroy an alleged subterranean South Polar colony established by Germany, before and during WW2, which not only harbored thousands of scientists in a semi-secret secluded base, but likely free energy technology and advanced propulsion craft (UFOs).

Secret Space Program Disclosure and the Vril Society

Maria Orsic and other women of the Vril Society (Vril Gesellschaft) were part of an esoteric metaphysical group in Berlin that were involved in psychic mediumship, spiritual tantra and occult yogic techniques, free energy research and advanced propulsion technology.



37 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdtHvwV0RV4
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 14, 2021, 06:26:35 pm
Gravity's "Big Proof" - EXPOSED (The Cavendish Effect)


42 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgU3Kect-4
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 16, 2021, 04:54:30 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecnlz7SXDCk
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 22, 2021, 05:23:45 pm
The Final Card


With the alien and UFO deception upon us, it's important that those you care about see what we are really up against and how deceived we've been about this topic. The disclosure should be here June 1st and although we don't know what they are going to release, we do know that it is just a part of the plan we were warned about.


My brother Michael has worked hard compiling all of the information in this video, so you need to checkout the original on his channel and subscribe while you can find it as he is shadow banned worse than we are:
  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDieF0brQdUicgnKomCbpVA


43 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJK1gLHbOxA
Title: Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 29, 2021, 01:17:30 pm
From @Gleason92 :

"I would like to add a little more to this (from memory) before I carve out some time in the indeterminate future to fully support this claim. Here's the birds eye view of calculating the Moon distance deception.

After crunching the values you are left with one number, let's say for argument's sake that number is 27,000 (I made this up for argument's sake). Now the last step of the formula is to divide 27000 by a factor. We all know divide means to break the whole into smaller pieces. But there's a catch, if you divide any number into ANY value that's between 0-1 you actually have an answer that is GREATER than original.


For example:

8 pieces divided by 4=2 pieces.

But

8 pieces divided by 0.25=32 pieces.

This is one justification of just how sly and cunning this deception truly is. So if trig value for moon distance is 27000, you would divide by a number>1 and reach an answer<27000, in reality, like I alluded to, about 3000 miles. Ahhh but since we MUST account for curve we inject a variable that reduces our divisor to, surprise, a value in between 0-1 effectively increasing the total to>27000 or in this case the alleged 230 thousand miles or so of pure fantasy that is currently alleged as the distance today.

The videographed proof of this rests on YouTube and was presented by user Jeranism and friends. Here's the catch, I firmly believe Jeranism is cointelpro, BUT to remain credible, even the opposition must filter in truth from time to time. Not only is this a time but they placed video shots of the spreadsheet with the formulas on the screen and provided a detailed breakdown of every step of the calculation. So if you'd rather not wait for me to recreate, there's your source.



Masonic Globe Math

Here's the original globe and curvature math if I'm not mistaken :

8 inches per mile squared means as you add each mile to the formula, the curve gets steeper because it's allegedly a ball

So1 mile=8 inches*(1 mile^2)=8 inch "downward sloping curve" 1 mile out, or let's say we want to express that value in feet. 8 inches/12 inches (one foot)=0.666 feet
10 miles=8 inches*(10^2)=800 inches or 66.6 feet
100 miles=8 inches*(100^2)=80,000 inches or 6,666 feet

And this :



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Fun math related fact readers. I learned that the distance to the Moon, currently alleged to be about 230,000 miles away requires a special "curvature variable" in the trig formula to conclude this ridiculous value. When you apply the directly observed values to the trigonometry formula, surprise the Moon is about 3,000 miles away. I can revisit my source and lay the formula out here if requested, but it could take some time.

Now to Eratosthenes. His stick experiment "works" because you must assume large and far away sun. If you assume local smaller (think 3,000 miles away, same as moon, as also depicted by the Masons) sun and flat Earth, his experiment yields the same results." My Eratosthenes video is coming soon !!!

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where:

d is the distance between the two points along a great circle of the sphere (see spherical distance),
r is the radius of the sphere.
The haversine formula allows the haversine of θ (that is, hav(θ)) to be computed directly from the latitude (represented by φ) and longitude (represented by λ) of the two points:

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where

φ1, φ2 are the latitude of point 1 and latitude of point 2 (in radians),
λ1, λ2 are the longitude of point 1 and longitude of point 2 (in radians).
Finally, the haversine function hav(θ), applied above to both the central angle θ and the differences in latitude and longitude, is

(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/7f6323f8e404496c8253539689327f5228699935)


The haversine function computes half a versine of the angle θ.

To solve for the distance d, apply the archaversine (inverse haversine) to h = hav(θ) or use the arcsine (inverse sine) function:


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or more explicitly:

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When using these formulae, one must ensure that h does not exceed 1 due to a floating point error (d is only real for 0 ≤ h ≤ 1). h only approaches 1 for antipodal points (on opposite sides of the sphere)—in this region, relatively large numerical errors tend to arise in the formula when finite precision is used. Because d is then large (approaching πR, half the circumference) a small error is often not a major concern in this unusual case (although there are other great-circle distance formulas that avoid this problem). (The formula above is sometimes written in terms of the arctangent function, but this suffers from similar numerical problems near h = 1.)

As described below, a similar formula can be written using cosines (sometimes called the spherical law of cosines, not to be confused with the law of cosines for plane geometry) instead of haversines, but if the two points are close together (e.g. a kilometer apart, on the Earth) one might end up with cos(
d
/
R
) = 0.99999999, leading to an inaccurate answer. Since the haversine formula uses sines, it avoids that problem.

Either formula is only an approximation when applied to the Earth, which is not a perfect sphere: the "Earth radius" R varies from 6356.752 km at the poles to 6378.137 km at the equator. More importantly, the radius of curvature of a north-south line on the earth's surface is 1% greater at the poles (≈6399.594 km) than at the equator (≈6335.439 km)—so the haversine formula and law of cosines cannot be guaranteed correct to better than 0.5%.[citation needed] More accurate methods that consider the Earth's ellipticity are given by Vincenty's formulae and the other formulas in the geographical distance article.


The law of haversines


Given a unit sphere, a "triangle" on the surface of the sphere is defined by the great circles connecting three points u, v, and w on the sphere. If the lengths of these three sides are a (from u to v), b (from u to w), and c (from v to w), and the angle of the corner opposite c is C, then the law of haversines states:[10]

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Since this is a unit sphere, the lengths a, b, and c are simply equal to the angles (in radians) subtended by those sides from the center of the sphere (for a non-unit sphere, each of these arc lengths is equal to its central angle multiplied by the radius R of the sphere).

In order to obtain the haversine formula of the previous section from this law, one simply considers the special case where u is the north pole, while v and w are the two points whose separation d is to be determined. In that case, a and b are
π
/
2
 − φ1,2 (that is, the, co-latitudes), C is the longitude separation λ2 − λ1, and c is the desired
d
/
R
. Noting that sin(
π
/
2
 − φ) = cos(φ), the haversine formula immediately follows.

To derive the law of haversines, one starts with the spherical law of cosines:

(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/0a9cb576d5f144c4e95919b4f41f9504c3ba8912)  (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Law-of-haversines.svg/220px-Law-of-haversines.svg.png)


As mentioned above, this formula is an ill-conditioned way of solving for c when c is small. Instead, we substitute the identity that cos(θ) = 1 − 2 hav(θ), and also employ the addition identity cos(a − b) = cos(a) cos(b) + sin(a) sin(b), to obtain the law of haversines, above.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 29, 2021, 01:20:54 pm
The haversine formula allows the haversine of θ (that is, hav(θ)) to be computed directly from the latitude (represented by φ) and longitude (represented by λ) of the two points:




hav(θ) = sin2(θ/2).
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 30, 2021, 04:33:25 pm
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where:

d is the distance between the two points along a great circle of the sphere (see spherical distance),
r is the radius of the sphere.
The haversine formula allows the haversine of θ (that is, hav(θ)) to be computed directly from the latitude (represented by φ) and longitude (represented by λ) of the two points:

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where

φ1, φ2 are the latitude of point 1 and latitude of point 2 (in radians),
λ1, λ2 are the longitude of point 1 and longitude of point 2 (in radians).
Finally, the haversine function hav(θ), applied above to both the central angle θ and the differences in latitude and longitude, is

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The haversine function computes half a versine of the angle θ.

To solve for the distance d, apply the archaversine (inverse haversine) to h = hav(θ) or use the arcsine (inverse sine) function:


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or more explicitly:

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When using these formulae, one must ensure that h does not exceed 1 due to a floating point error (d is only real for 0 ≤ h ≤ 1). h only approaches 1 for antipodal points (on opposite sides of the sphere)—in this region, relatively large numerical errors tend to arise in the formula when finite precision is used. Because d is then large (approaching πR, half the circumference) a small error is often not a major concern in this unusual case (although there are other great-circle distance formulas that avoid this problem). (The formula above is sometimes written in terms of the arctangent function, but this suffers from similar numerical problems near h = 1.)

As described below, a similar formula can be written using cosines (sometimes called the spherical law of cosines, not to be confused with the law of cosines for plane geometry) instead of haversines, but if the two points are close together (e.g. a kilometer apart, on the Earth) one might end up with cos(
d
/
R
) = 0.99999999, leading to an inaccurate answer. Since the haversine formula uses sines, it avoids that problem.

Either formula is only an approximation when applied to the Earth, which is not a perfect sphere: the "Earth radius" R varies from 6356.752 km at the poles to 6378.137 km at the equator. More importantly, the radius of curvature of a north-south line on the earth's surface is 1% greater at the poles (≈6399.594 km) than at the equator (≈6335.439 km)—so the haversine formula and law of cosines cannot be guaranteed correct to better than 0.5%.[citation needed] More accurate methods that consider the Earth's ellipticity are given by Vincenty's formulae and the other formulas in the geographical distance article.


The law of haversines


Given a unit sphere, a "triangle" on the surface of the sphere is defined by the great circles connecting three points u, v, and w on the sphere. If the lengths of these three sides are a (from u to v), b (from u to w), and c (from v to w), and the angle of the corner opposite c is C, then the law of haversines states:[10]

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Since this is a unit sphere, the lengths a, b, and c are simply equal to the angles (in radians) subtended by those sides from the center of the sphere (for a non-unit sphere, each of these arc lengths is equal to its central angle multiplied by the radius R of the sphere).

In order to obtain the haversine formula of the previous section from this law, one simply considers the special case where u is the north pole, while v and w are the two points whose separation d is to be determined. In that case, a and b are
π
/
2
 − φ1,2 (that is, the, co-latitudes), C is the longitude separation λ2 − λ1, and c is the desired
d
/
R
. Noting that sin(
π
/
2
 − φ) = cos(φ), the haversine formula immediately follows.

To derive the law of haversines, one starts with the spherical law of cosines:

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As mentioned above, this formula is an ill-conditioned way of solving for c when c is small. Instead, we substitute the identity that cos(θ) = 1 − 2 hav(θ), and also employ the addition identity cos(a − b) = cos(a) cos(b) + sin(a) sin(b), to obtain the law of haversines, above.

Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 02, 2021, 07:29:07 pm
3114 BC

Mayan astronomers discover an 18.7-year cycle in the rising and setting of the Moon. From this they created the first almanacs – tables of the movements of the Sun, Moon, and planets for the use in astrology. In 6th century BC Greece, this knowledge is used to predict eclipses.
585 BC

Thales of Miletus predicts a solar eclipse.
467 BC

Anaxagoras produced a correct explanation for eclipses and then described the Sun as a fiery mass larger than the Peloponnese , as well as attempting to explain rainbows and meteors . He was the first to explain that the Moon shines due to reflected light from the Sun.[1][2][3]
400 BC

Around this date, Babylonians use the zodiac to divide the heavens into twelve equal segments of thirty degrees each, the better to record and communicate information about the position of celestial bodies.[4]
387 BC

Plato, a Greek philosopher, founds a school (the Platonic Academy) that will influence the next 2000 years. It promotes the idea that everything in the universe moves in harmony and that the Sun, Moon, and planets move around Earth in perfect circles.
270 BC

Aristarchus of Samos proposes heliocentrism as an alternative to the Earth-centered universe. His heliocentric model places the Sun at its center, with Earth as just one planet orbiting it. However, there were only a few people who took the theory seriously.
240 BC

The earliest recorded sighting of Halley's Comet is made by Chinese astronomers. Their records of the comet's movement allow astronomers today to predict accurately how the comet's orbit changes over the centuries.
150 BC

Hipparchus of Nicaea calculates the first model of the solar system based on trigonometry and determines the precession of the equinoxes.
6 BC

The Magi - probably Persian astronomers/astrologers (Astrology) - observed a planetary conjunction on Saturday (Sabbath) April 17, 6 BC that signified the birth of a great Hebrew king: Jesus.[5]
4 BC

The astronomer Shi Shen is believed to have cataloged 809 stars in 122 constellations, and he also made the earliest known observation of sunspots.
140

Ptolemy publishes his star catalogue, listing 48 constellations and endorses the geocentric (Earth-centered) view of the universe. His views go unquestioned for nearly 1500 years in Europe and are passed down to Arabic and medieval European astronomers in his book the Almagest.
400

The Hindu cosmological time cycles explained in the Surya Siddhanta, give the average length of the sidereal year (the length of the Earth's revolution around the Sun) as 365.2563627 days, which is only 1.4 seconds longer than the modern value of 365.256363004 days.[6] This remains the most accurate estimate for the length of the sidereal year anywhere in the world for over a thousand years.
499

Indian mathematician-astronomer Aryabhata, in his Aryabhatiya first identifies the force gravity to explain why objects do not fall when the Earth rotates,[7] propounds a geocentric Solar System of gravitation, and an eccentric elliptical model of the planets, where the planets spin on their axis and follow elliptical orbits, the Sun and the Moon revolve around the Earth in epicycles. He also writes that the planets and the Moon do not have their own light but reflect the light of the Sun and that the Earth rotates on its axis causing day and night and also that the Sun rotates around the Earth causing years.
628

Indian mathematician-astronomer Brahmagupta, in his Brahma-Sphuta-Siddhanta, first recognizes gravity as a force of attraction, and briefly describes the second law of Newton's law of universal gravitation. He gives methods for calculations of the motions and places of various planets, their rising and setting, conjunctions, and calculations of the solar and lunar eclipses.
773

The Sanskrit works of Aryabhata and Brahmagupta, along with the Sanskrit text Surya Siddhanta, are translated into Arabic, introducing Arabic astronomers to Indian astronomy.
777

Muhammad al-Fazari and Yaʿqūb ibn Ṭāriq translate the Surya Siddhanta and Brahmasphutasiddhanta, and compile them as the Zij al-Sindhind, the first Zij treatise.[8]
830

The first major Arabic work of astronomy is the Zij al-Sindh by al-Khwarizimi. The work contains tables for the movements of the Sun, the Moon, and the five planets known at the time. The work is significant as it introduced Ptolemaic concepts into Islamic sciences. This work also marks the turning point in Arabic astronomy. Hitherto, Arabic astronomers had adopted a primarily research approach to the field, translating works of others and learning already discovered knowledge. Al-Khwarizmi's work marked the beginning of nontraditional methods of study and calculations.[9]
850

al-Farghani wrote Kitab fi Jawani ("A compendium of the science of stars"). The book primarily gave a summary of Ptolemic cosmography. However, it also corrected Ptolemy based on findings of earlier Arab astronomers. Al-Farghani gave revised values for the obliquity of the ecliptic, the precessional movement of the apogees of the Sun and the Moon, and the circumference of the Earth. The books were widely circulated through the Muslim world and even translated into Latin.[10]
928

The earliest surviving astrolabe is constructed by Islamic mathematician–astronomer Mohammad al-Fazari. Astrolabes are the most advanced instruments of their time. The precise measurement of the positions of stars and planets allows Islamic astronomers to compile the most detailed almanacs and star atlases yet.
1030

Abū Rayḥān al-Bīrūnī discussed the Indian heliocentric theories of Aryabhata, Brahmagupta and Varāhamihira in his Ta'rikh al-Hind (Indica in Latin). Biruni stated that the followers of Aryabhata consider the Earth to be at the center. In fact, Biruni casually stated that this does not create any mathematical problems.[11]
1031

Abu Sa'id al-Sijzi, a contemporary of Abu Rayhan Biruni, defended the theory that Earth revolves around its axis.
1054

Chinese astronomers record the sudden appearance of a bright star. Native-American rock carvings also show the brilliant star close to the Moon. This star is the Crab supernova exploding.
1070

Abu Ubayd al-Juzjani published the Tarik al-Aflak. In his work, he indicated the so-called "equant" problem of the Ptolemic model. Al-Juzjani even proposed a solution to the problem. In al-Andalus, the anonymous work al-Istidrak ala Batlamyus (meaning "Recapitulation regarding Ptolemy"), included a list of objections to the Ptolemic astronomy.

One of the most important works in the period was Al-Shuku ala Batlamyus ("Doubts on Ptolemy"). In this, the author summed up the inconsistencies of the Ptolemic models. Many astronomers took up the challenge posed in this work, namely to develop alternate models that evaded such errors.
1126

Islamic and Indian astronomical works (including Aryabhatiya and Brahma-Sphuta-Siddhanta) are translated into Latin in Córdoba, Spain in 1126, introducing European astronomers to Islamic and Indian astronomy.
1150

Indian mathematician-astronomer Bhāskara II, in his Siddhanta Shiromani, calculates the longitudes and latitudes of the planets, lunar and solar eclipses, risings and settings, the Moon's lunar crescent, syzygies, and conjunctions of the planets with each other and with the fixed stars, and explains the three problems of diurnal rotation. He also calculates the planetary mean motion, ellipses, first visibilities of the planets, the lunar crescent, the seasons, and the length of the Earth's revolution around the Sun to 9 decimal places.
1190

Al-Bitruji proposed an alternative geocentric system to Ptolemy's. He also declared the Ptolemaic system as mathematical, and not physical. His alternative system spread through most of Europe during the 13th century, with debates and refutations of his ideas continued to the 16th century.[12][13]
1250

Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi develops the Urdi lemma, which is later used in the Copernican heliocentric model.

Nasir al-Din al-Tusi resolved significant problems in the Ptolemaic system by developing the Tusi-couple as an alternative to the physically problematic equant introduced by Ptolemy.[14] His Tusi-couple is later used in the Copernican model.

Tusi's student Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi, in his The Limit of Accomplishment concerning Knowledge of the Heavens, discusses the possibility of heliocentrism.

Najm al-Din al-Qazwini al-Katibi, who also worked at the Maraghah observatory, in his Hikmat al-'Ain, wrote an argument for a heliocentric model, though he later abandoned the idea.[citation needed]
1350

Ibn al-Shatir (1304–1375), in his A Final Inquiry Concerning the Rectification of Planetary Theory, eliminated the need for an equant by introducing an extra epicycle, departing from the Ptolemaic system in a way very similar to what Copernicus later also did. Ibn al-Shatir proposed a system that was only approximately geocentric, rather than exactly so, having demonstrated trigonometrically that the Earth was not the exact center of the universe. His rectification is later used in the Copernican model.
1543

Nicolaus Copernicus publishes De revolutionibus orbium coelestium containing his theory that Earth travels around the Sun. However, he complicates his theory by retaining Plato's perfect circular orbits of the planets.
1572

A brilliant supernova (SN 1572 - thought, at the time, to be a comet) is observed by Tycho Brahe, who proves that it is traveling beyond Earth's atmosphere and therefore provides the first evidence that the heavens can change.
1608

Dutch eyeglass maker Hans Lippershey tries to patent a refracting telescope (the first historical record of one). The invention spreads rapidly across Europe, as scientists make their own instruments. Their discoveries begin a revolution in astronomy.
1609

Johannes Kepler publishes his New Astronomy. In this and later works, he announces his three laws of planetary motion, replacing the circular orbits of Plato with elliptical ones. Almanacs based on his laws prove to be highly accurate.
1610

Galileo Galilei publishes Sidereus Nuncius describing the findings of his observations with the telescope he built. These include spots on the Sun, craters on the Moon, and four satellites of Jupiter. Proving that not everything orbits Earth, he promotes the Copernican view of a Sun-centered universe.
1655

As the power and the quality of the telescopes increase, Christiaan Huygens studies Saturn and discovers its largest satellite, Titan. He also explains Saturn's appearance, suggesting the planet is surrounded by a thin ring.
1663

Scottish astronomer James Gregory describes his "gregorian" reflecting telescope, using parabolic mirrors instead of lenses to reduce chromatic aberration and spherical aberration, but is unable to build one.
1668

Isaac Newton builds the first reflecting telescope, his Newtonian telescope.
1687

Isaac Newton publishes his first copy of the book Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica, establishing the theory of gravitation and laws of motion. The Principia explains Kepler's laws of planetary motion and allows astronomers to understand the forces acting between the Sun, the planets, and their moons.
1705

Edmond Halley calculates that the comets recorded at 76-year intervals from 1456 to 1682 are one and the same. He predicts that the comet will return again in 1758. When it reappears as expected, the comet is named in his honor.
1750

French astronomer Nicolas de Lacaille sails to southern oceans and begins work compiling a catalog of more than 10000 stars in the southern sky. Although Halley and others have observed from the Southern Hemisphere before, Lacaille's star catalog is the first comprehensive one of the southern sky.
1781

Amateur astronomer William Herschel discovers the planet Uranus, although he at first mistakes it for a comet. Uranus is the first planet to be discovered beyond Saturn, which was thought to be the most distant planet in ancient times.
1784

Charles Messier publishes his catalog of star clusters and nebulas. Messier draws up the list to prevent these objects from being identified as comets. However, it soon becomes a standard reference for the study of star clusters and nebulas and is still in use today.
1800

William Herschel splits sunlight through a prism and with a thermometer, measures the energy given out by different colours. He notices a sudden increase in energy beyond the red end of the spectrum, discovering invisible infrared and laying the foundations of spectroscopy.
1801

Italian astronomer Giuseppe Piazzi discovers what appears to be a new planet orbiting between Mars and Jupiter, and names it Ceres. William Herschel proves it is a very small object, calculating it to be only 320 km in diameter, and not a planet. He proposes the name asteroid, and soon other similar bodies are being found. We now know that Ceres is 932 km in diameter, and is now considered to be a dwarf planet.
1814

Joseph von Fraunhofer builds the first accurate spectrometer and uses it to study the spectrum of the Sun's light. He discovers and maps hundreds of fine dark lines crossing the solar spectrum. In 1859 these lines are linked to chemical elements in the Sun's atmosphere. Spectroscopy becomes a method for studying what stars are made of.
1838

Friedrich Bessel successfully uses the method of stellar parallax, the effect of Earth's annual movement around the Sun, to calculate the distance to 61 Cygni, the first star other than the Sun to have its distance from Earth measured. Bessel's is a truly accurate measurement of stellar positions, and the parallax technique establishes a framework for measuring the scale of the universe.
1843

German amateur astronomer Heinrich Schwabe, who has been studying the Sun for the past 17 years, announces his discovery of a regular cycle in sunspot numbers - the first clue to the Sun's internal structure.
1845

Irish astronomer William Parsons, 3rd Earl of Rosse completes the first of the world's great telescopes, with a 180-cm mirror. He uses it to study and draw the structure of nebulas, and within a few months discovers the spiral structure of the Whirlpool Galaxy.

French physicists Jean Foucault and Armand Fizeau take the first detailed photographs of the Sun's surface through a telescope - the birth of scientific astrophotography. Within five years, astronomers produce the first detailed photographs of the Moon. Early film is not sensitive enough to image stars.
1846

A new planet, Neptune, is identified by German astronomer Johann Gottfried Galle while searching in the position suggested by Urbain Le Verrier. Le Verrier has calculated the position and size of the planet from the effects of its gravitational pull on the orbit of Uranus. An English mathematician, John Couch Adams, also made a similar calculation a year earlier.
1868

Astronomers notice a new bright emission line in the spectrum of the Sun's atmosphere during an eclipse. The emission line is caused by an element's giving out light, and British astronomer Norman Lockyer concludes that it is an element unknown on Earth. He calls it helium, from the Greek word for the Sun. Nearly 30 years later, helium is found on Earth.
1872

An American astronomer Henry Draper takes the first photograph of the spectrum of a star (Vega), showing absorption lines that reveal its chemical makeup. Astronomers begin to see that spectroscopy is the key to understanding how stars evolve. William Huggins uses absorption lines to measure the redshifts of stars, which give the first indication of how fast stars are moving.
1901

A comprehensive survey of stars, the Henry Draper Catalogue, is published. In the catalog, Annie Jump Cannon proposes a sequence of classifying stars by the absorption lines in their spectra, which is still in use today.
1906

Ejnar Hertzsprung establishes the standard for measuring the true brightness of a star. He shows that there is a relationship between color and absolute magnitude for 90% of the stars in the Milky Way Galaxy. In 1913, Henry Norris Russell published a diagram that shows this relationship. Although astronomers agree that the diagram shows the sequence in which stars evolve, they argue about which way the sequence progresses. Arthur Eddington finally settles the controversy in 1924.
1910

Williamina Fleming publishes her discovery of white dwarf stars.
1912

Henrietta Swan Leavitt discovers the period-luminosity relation for Cepheid variables, whereas the brightness of a star is proportional to its luminosity oscillation period. It opened a whole new branch of possibilities of measuring distances on the universe, and this discovery was the basis for the work done by Edwin Hubble on extragalactic astronomy.
1916

German physicist Karl Schwarzschild uses Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity to lay the groundwork for black hole theory. He suggests that if any star collapse to a certain size or smaller, its gravity will be so strong that no form of radiation will escape from it.
1923

Edwin Hubble discovers a Cepheid variable star in the "Andromeda Nebula" and proves that Andromeda and other nebulas are galaxies far beyond our own. By 1925, he produces a classification system for galaxies.
1925

Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin discovers that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the Sun's atmosphere, and accordingly, the most abundant element in the universe by relating the spectral classes of stars to their actual temperatures and by applying the ionization theory developed by Indian physicist Meghnad Saha. This opens the path for the study of stellar atmospheres and chemical abundances, contributing to understand the chemical evolution of the universe.
1929

Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe is expanding and that the farther away a galaxy is, the faster it is moving away from us. Two years later, Georges Lemaître suggests that the expansion can be traced to an initial "Big Bang".
1930

By applying new ideas from subatomic physics, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar predicts that the atoms in a white dwarf star of more than 1.44 solar masses will disintegrate, causing the star to collapse violently. In 1933, Walter Baade and Fritz Zwicky describe the neutron star that results from this collapse, causing a supernova explosion.

Clyde Tombaugh discovers the dwarf planet Pluto at the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona. The object is so faint and moving so slowly that he has to compare photos taken several nights apart.
1932

Karl Jansky detects the first radio waves coming from space. In 1942, radio waves from the Sun are detected. Seven years later radio astronomers identify the first distant source - the Crab Nebula, and the galaxies Centaurus A and M87.
1938

German physicist Hans Bethe explains how stars generate energy. He outlines a series of nuclear fusion reactions that turn hydrogen into helium and release enormous amounts of energy in a star's core. These reactions use the star's hydrogen very slowly, allowing it to burn for billions of years.


1948

The largest telescope in the world, with a 5.08m (200 in) mirror, is completed at Palomar Mountain in California. At the time, the telescope pushes single-mirror telescope technology to its limits - large mirrors tend to bend under their own weight.
1958

July 29 marks the beginning of the NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration), agency newly created by the United States to catch up with Soviet space technologies. It absorbs all research centers and staffs of the NACA (National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics), an organization founded in 1915.
1959

Russia and the US both launch probes to the Moon, but NASA's Pioneer probes all failed. The Russian Luna program was more successful. Luna 2 crash-lands on the Moon's surface in September, and Luna 3 returns the first pictures of the Moon's farside in October.
1960

Cornell University astronomer Frank Drake performed the first modern SETI experiment, named "Project Ozma", after the Queen of Oz in L. Frank Baum's fantasy books.[15]
1962

Mariner 2 becomes the first probe to reach another planet, flying past Venus in December. NASA follows this with the successful Mariner 4 mission to Mars in 1965, both the US and Russia send many more probes to planets through the rest of the 1960s and 1970s.
1963

Dutch-American astronomer Maarten Schmidt measures the spectra of quasars, the mysterious star-like radio sources discovered in 1960. He establishes that quasars are active galaxies, and among the most distant objects in the universe.
1965

Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson announce the discovery of a weak radio signal coming from all parts of the sky. Scientists figure out that this must be emitted by an object at a temperature of -270 °C. Soon it is recognized as the remnant of the very hot radiation from the Big Bang that created the universe 13 billion years ago, see Cosmic microwave background. This radio signal is emitted by the electron in hydrogen flipping from pointing up or down and is approximated to happen once in a million years for every particle. Hydrogen is present in interstellar space gas throughout the entire universe and most dense in nebulae which is where the signals originate. Even though the electron of hydrogen only flips once every million years the mere quantity of hydrogen in space gas makes the presence of these radio waves prominent.
1966

Russian Luna 9 probe makes the first successful soft landing on the Moon in January, while the US lands the far more complex Surveyor missions, which follows up to NASA's Ranger series of crash-landers, scout sites for possible manned landings.
1967

Jocelyn Bell Burnell and Antony Hewish detected the first pulsar, an object emitting regular pulses of radio waves. Pulsars are eventually recognized as rapidly spinning neutron stars with intense magnetic fields - the remains of a supernova explosion.
1970

The Uhuru satellite, designed to map the sky at X-ray wavelengths, is launched by NASA. The existence of X-rays from the Sun and a few other stars has already been found using rocket-launched experiments, but Uhuru charts more than 300 X-ray sources, including several possible black holes.


1972

Charles Thomas Bolton was the first astronomer to present irrefutable evidence of the existence of a black hole.
1975

The Russian probe Venera 9 lands on the surface of Venus and sends back the first picture of its surface. The first probe to land on another planet, Venera 7 in 1970, had no camera. Both break down within an hour in the hostile atmosphere.
1976

NASA's Viking 1 and Viking 2 space probes arrive at Mars. Each Viking mission consists of an orbiter, which photographs the planet from above, and a lander, which touches down on the surface, analyzes the rocks, and searches unsuccessfully for life.
1977

On August 20 the Voyager 2 space probe launched by NASA to study the Jovian system, Saturnian system, Uranian system, Neptunian system, the Kuiper belt, the heliosphere and the interstellar space.

On September 5 The Voyager 1 space probe launched by NASA to study the Jovian system, Saturnian system and the interstellar medium.
1983

The first infrared astronomy satellite, IRAS, is launched. It must be cooled to extremely low temperatures with liquid helium, and it operates for only 300 days before the supply of helium is exhausted. During this time it completes an infrared survey of 98% of the sky.
1986

The returning Halley's Comet is met by a fleet of five probes from Russia, Japan, and Europe. The most ambitious is the European Space Agency's Giotto spacecraft, which flies through the comet's coma and photographs the nucleus.
1990

The Magellan probe, launched by NASA, arrives at Venus and spends three years mapping the planet with radar. Magellan is the first in a new wave of probes that include Galileo, which arrives at Jupiter in 1995, and Cassini which arrives at Saturn in 2004.

The Hubble Space Telescope, the first large optical telescope in orbit, is launched using the Space Shuttle, but astronomers soon discovered that it is crippled by a problem with its mirror. A complex repair mission in 1993 allows the telescope to start producing spectacular images of distant stars, nebulae, and galaxies.
1992

The Cosmic Background Explorer satellite produces a detailed map of the background radiation remaining from the Big Bang. The map shows "ripples", caused by slight variations in the density of the early universe – the seeds of galaxies and galaxy clusters.

The 10-meter Keck telescope on Mauna Kea, Hawaii, is completed. The first revolutionary new wave of telescopes, the Keck's main mirror is made of 36 six-sided segments, with computers to control their alignment. New optical telescopes also make use of interferometry – improving resolution by combining images from separate telescopes.
1995

The first exoplanet, 51 Pegasi b, is discovered by Michel Mayor and Didier Queloz.


2005

Mike Brown and his team discovered Eris a large body in the outer Solar System[16] which was temporarily named as (2003) UB313. Initially, it appeared larger than Pluto and was called the tenth planet.[17]
2006

International Astronomical Union (IAU) adopted a new definition of planet. A new distinct class of objects called dwarf planets was also decided. Pluto was redefined as a dwarf planet along with Ceres and Eris, formerly known as (2003) UB313. Eris was named after the IAU General Assembly in 2006.[18][19]
2008

2008 TC3 becomes the first Earth-impacting meteoroid spotted and tracked prior to impact.
2012

(May 2) First visual proof of the existence of black holes is published. Suvi Gezari's team in Johns Hopkins University, using the Hawaiian telescope Pan-STARRS 1, record images of a supermassive black hole 2.7 million light-years away that is swallowing a red giant.[20]
2013

In October 2013, the first extrasolar asteroid is detected around white dwarf star GD 61. It is also the first detected extrasolar body which contains water in liquid or solid form.[21][22][23]
2015

On July 14, with the successful encounter of Pluto by NASA's New Horizons spacecraft, the United States became the first nation to explore all of the nine major planets recognized in 1981. Later on September 14, LIGO was the first to directly detect gravitational waves.[24]
2016

Exoplanet Proxima Centauri b is discovered around Proxima Centauri by the European Southern Observatory, making it the closest known exoplanet to the Solar System as of 2016.
2017

In August 2017, a neutron star collision that occurred in the galaxy NGC 4993 produced the gravitational wave signal GW170817, which was observed by the LIGO/Virgo collaboration. After 1.7 seconds, it was observed as the gamma-ray burst GRB 170817A by the Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope and INTEGRAL, and its optical counterpart SSS17a was detected 11 hours later at the Las Campanas Observatory. Further optical observations e.g. by the Hubble Space Telescope and the Dark Energy Camera, ultraviolet observations by the Swift Gamma-Ray Burst Mission, X-ray observations by the Chandra X-ray Observatory and radio observations by the Karl G. Jansky Very Large Array complemented the detection. This was the first instance of a gravitational wave event that was observed to have a simultaneous electromagnetic signal, thereby marking a significant breakthrough for multi-messenger astronomy.[25] Non-observation of neutrinos is attributed to the jets being strongly off-axis.[26]
2019

China's Chang'e 4 became the first spacecraft to perform a soft landing on the lunar far side.

In April 2019, the Event Horizon Telescope Collaboration obtained the first image of a black hole which was at the center of galaxy M87, providing more evidence for the existence of supermassive black holes in accordance with general relativity.[27]

India launched its second lunar probe called Chandrayaan 2 with an orbiter that was successful and a lander called Vikram along with a rover called Pragyan which failed just 2.1 km above the lunar south pole.
2020
NASA launches Mars 2020 to Mars with a Mars rover that was named Perseverance by seventh grader Alexander Mather in a naming contest
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 04, 2021, 03:39:01 am
Round Earth distance to the sun, and therefore the size of the solar system, relies on the idea that the earth is a sphere. The triangulation method depends on an assumption about the shape of the earth.

Distance to the Sun
Q. Why are the celestial bodies and the sun so close to the earth's surface in the Flat Earth Model?

A. The celestial bodies must be close because if the shape of the earth changes, the distance to the celestial bodies must change as well. Astronomers use two different observations on far off points on earth to triangulate the distance of celestial bodies. When the shape of the earth changes, the triangulation changes, and our perception of the universe must therefore change as well.

Eratosthenes' stick experiment can not only tell us about the size of the earth, but can also be used to compute the distance to the sun as well. If the earth is round, the celestial bodies are computed to be millions of miles distant. If the earth is flat, the celestial bodies are triangulated to be relatively close to the earth's surface.

In his experiment Eratosthenes assumes that the earth is a globe and that the sun is very far away in his computations for the size of the earth and the distance to the sun. However, if we use his data with the assumption that the earth is flat we can come up with a wildly different calculation for the distance of the sun, showing it to be close to the earth. The sun changes its distance depending on the model of the earth we assume for the experiment.

Millersville University goes over the two ways of interpreting Eratosthenes' data. The first part of the article goes over the interpretation of his data under a Round Earth model, and the bottom part of the article goes over an interpretation of the data under a Flat Earth model.

Here's a link which explains the idea: http://www.millersville.edu/physics/experiments/058/index.php. The first part goes over the Round Earth explanation for how the sun can be computed millions of miles distant. At the bottom there is a Flat Earth explanation for how the sun can be computed as being very close to the earth's surface. Scroll all the way to the bottom to the "alternative model" section. You will find that we can use Eratosthenes' data, in conjunction with the assumption of a Flat Earth, to confirm that in FET the sun is very near to the earth's surface.

Hence, if we assume that the earth is flat, triangles and trigonometry can demonstrate that the celestial bodies are fairly close to the earth.

  “ Eratosthenes' model depends on the assumption that the earth is a globe and that the sun is far away and therefore produces parallel rays of light all over the earth. If the sun is nearby, then shadows will change length even for a flat earth. A flat earth model is sketched below. The vertical stick casts shadows that grow longer as the stick moves to the left, away from the closest point to the sun. (The sun is at height h above the earth.) ”


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  “ A little trigonometry shows that ”

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 “ Using the values 50 degrees and 60 degrees as measured on the trip, with b=1000 miles, we find that h is approximately 2000 miles. This relatively close sun would have been quite plausible to the ancients.

Continuing the calculation, we find that a is approximately 2400 miles and the two distances R1 and R2 are approximately 3000 and 3900 miles, respectively. ”

There is no other way to get a distance for the sun. Just looking at it from a single point on earth will not tell you its distance, you must look at it from several points and account for the curvature or non-curvature of the distance between those points.

Please note: The writer of that article makes a unrelated side comment about the Flat Earth model --

  “ That is, as we move from Florida to Pennsylvania, our distance from the sun increases by about 30%. As a consequence the apparent size of the sun should decrease by 30%. We see no noticeable change in the apparent size of the sun as we make the trip. We conclude that the flat earth/near sun model does not work. ”

This has little to do with the distance from the sun via triangulation methods. The writer of the above statement apparently did not read Chapter 10 of Earth Not a Globe. See: Magnification of the Sun at Sunset

Sun's Distance - Zetetic Cosmogony
Thomas Winship, author of Zetetic Cosmogony, provides a calculation demonstrating that the sun can be computed to be relatively close to the earth's surface if one assumes that the earth is flat and that light travels in straight lines --

  “ On March 21-22 the sun is directly overhead at the equator and appears 45 degrees above the horizon at 45 degrees north and south latitude. As the angle of sun above the earth at the equator is 90 degrees while it is 45 degrees at 45 degrees north or south latitude, it follows that the angle at the sun between the vertical from the horizon and the line from the observers at 45 degrees north and south must also be 45 degrees. The result is two right angled triangles with legs of equal length. The distance between the equator and the points at 45 degrees north or south is approximately 3,000 miles. Ergo, the sun would be an equal distance above the equator. ”

Sun's Distance - Modern Mechanics
Modern Mechanics describes how on a Flat Earth the sun can be computed to 3,000 miles via triangulation, whereas on a globe earth those same angles can calculate the sun to nearly 93 million miles away --



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Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 04, 2021, 03:45:34 pm
Angles
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With Refraction
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No Refraction
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http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=advanced+earth+curvature+calculator


Parameter Descriptions

Note: Values marked with a * are not dependent on Refraction in reality. The marked values show the apparent values if refraction is not zero. So to display the real values, set Refraction = 0. This is true for all Horizon Data as well.

Basic Panel
Observer Height: Height of the observer above sea level.

Target Distance: Distance from observer to target along the surface.

Target Size: Height of the target from sea level to the top of the target.

Refraction: Refraction Coefficient k. See Panel Refraction for more parameters. If you click on Std then standard refraction is calculated according to the observer height and standard atmospheric conditions. For show k is calculated see Refraction-Coefficient k.

Zoom, View∠: Zoom factor f = focal length in 35 mm equivalent units or viewing angle can be used to magnify the image. This two parameters are linked by the following equation (see Angle of view):


f = { 43{.}2\ \mathrm{mm} \over 2 \cdot \tan( \theta / 2 ) }


Nearest Target Data Panel

In this panel some calculated object data is displayed. If multiple objects are selected, the data for the nearest object is displayed.

Visible, Hidden: how much of the object size is hidden behind the horizon and how much is visible.

Angular Size, Angular Visible, Angular Hidden: like above but in angular size. The angular size is arctan( size / distance ) in degrees.

Refraction Angle: How much of the object is lifted due to refraction expressed as an angular size. See Refraction-Angle ρ how this angle is calculated.

Lift Absolute: absolute amount of apparent lift of the object with respect to eye level due to refraction.

Relative to Horizon: amount of apparent lift of the object with respect to the horizon due to refraction. The horizon appears lifted with respect to eye level by refraction too. If an object lies behind the horizon, its lift relative to the horizon is smaller than the absolute lift of the object with respect to eye level.

Target Top Angle, Target Top Angle FE: Angle α between target top and eye level for globe and flat earth (FE) respectively. The angle is positive if the target top is above eye level. Some theodolites measure a so called zenith angle ζ. The zenith angle is the angle between the vertical up and the target top. The correlation between this angles is α = 90° − ζ.

Angular Distance θ, Tilt θ: is the angle between the observer, the center of the earth and the nearest target. This angle is used in some Drop calculators, as the Drop x is:

x = R \cdot \big( 1 - \cos( \theta )



where'   
 '   x ='   'drop from the surface level
 '   R ='   'radius of the earth
 '   \theta ='   'angle between observer, the center of the earth and the target

Note that  is the same angle as the Tilt of the target object.

Drop: is the amount the surface at the target has dropped from the tangent plane at the surface of the observer. This amount depends on the surface distance between observer and target. This distance is dependent on the Target Distance and the Side Pos of the target via Pythagoras.

Bulge Height: is the maximal amount the surface appears to bulge up from the direct line through the earth from the surface at the observer and the surface at the target. This distance is dependent on the Target Distance and the Side Pos of the target via Pythagoras. Note, because the surface bends down in every direction on the globe, the bulge is always lower than the plane tangential at the surface of observer.

Distance: is the distance along the surface from the base of the observer to the base of the target. It is dependent on the Target Distance and the Side Pos of the target via Pythagoras.

Horizon Data Panel
Dist on Surf: is the distance of the horizon line from the base of the observer along the surface.

Dip Angle: is the angle between the horizon line and the eye level line as measured at the observer.

Dist from Eye: is the line of sight distance of the horizon line from the observer.

Dist on Eye-Lvl: is the distance of the horizon measured on the eye level plane.

Drop from Surf: is the drop of the horizon line as measured down from the tangential plane with origin at the surface of the obsever.

Drop from Eye-Lvl: is the drop of the horizon line as measured down from the tangential plane with origin at the observer height. Drop from Eye−Lvl = Drop from Surf + Height.

Frame Width: Is the width of the frame as measured with a scale at the center of the horizon. This amount depends on the distance of the horizon and the viewing angle or focal length. Compare with Left-Right Width.

Grid Spacing: is the distance between the grid lines of the globe model.

Left-Right Width specifies the horizontal distance between the 2 points where the curved horizon meets the border of the frame. The line between the 2 points passes through the earth. The distance of the line between this 2 points is smaller than the distance to the center of the horizon Dist from Eye.

Left-Right Drop (Angle) are the apparent drop height and angle respectively from the horizon tangent to the line between the 2 points where the curved horizon meets the border of the frame. The drop height is calculated from the drop angle using the distance to the center of the horizon Dist from Eye.

For a derivation of how Left-Right values are calculated see Calculating left-right Horizon Drop.

Radius Earth: is the radius of the earth used for all calculations. This value can be changed.




Exact Equations for the Hidden Height
How much of an object is hidden behind the curvature of the earth, the so called hidden height hh, depends on the distance of the object from the observer and from the height of the observers eye above the surface hO. The distance can be expressed as the line of sight d to the object, tangent to the horizon, or as the arc length s along the surface of the earth between observer and target.

Note: To calculate the hidden height you must not use the famous equation 8 inches per miles squared! This equation is an approximation to calculate the drop of the earth surface from a tangent line on the surface at the observer. It calculates not the hidden part of an object.

Depending on whether you know the line of sight distance d or the distance along the surface s the following equations calculate the hidden height exactly:


h_\mathrm{h} = \sqrt{ { \left[ d - \sqrt{ { ( R + h_\mathrm{O} ) }^2 - { R }^2 } \right] }^2 + { R }^2 } - R

h_\mathrm{h} = { R \over \cos\left[ { s \over R } - \arccos\left( { R \over R + h_\mathrm{O} } \right) \right] } - R


where'   
 '   h_\mathrm{h} ='   'hidden height
 '   d ='   'line of sight distance between observer and target, tangential to the surface of the globe
 '   s ='   'distance between observer and target along the surface of the globe
 '   h_\mathrm{O} ='   'eye height of the observer measured from the surface of the globe
 '   R ='   '6371 km = radius of the earth without refraction; 7433 km = radius to use for standard refraction 7/6 Rearth; 7681 km = radius for standard refraction k = 0.17 (sea level)


The same equations can be used to calculate the hidden height with and without refraction. You simply have to choose the corresponding value for R. Because under standard refraction the earth looks less curved, you can use a bigger radius for the earth than it is in reality. For standard refraction 7/6 · Rearth use R = 7433 km. For standard refraction k = 0.17 use R = 7681 km.

There are multiple slightly different values for standard refraction in use. Near the ground the bigger value is more accurate. For higher altitudes the smaller value is more accurate. If you press the button Std the App calculates refraction depending on the observer altitude. Near sea level refraction is about k = 0.17.

The hidden height equations are only valid if the object lies behind the horizon. That is if the distance to the horizon dH or sH is less than the distance to the target d or s.

The exact distances to the horizon can be calculated with the following equations:



d_\mathrm{H} = \sqrt{ { ( R + h_\mathrm{O} ) }^2 - { R }^2 }

s_\mathrm{H} = R \cdot \arccos\left( { R \over R + h_\mathrm{O} } \right)

where'   
 '   d_\mathrm{H} ='   'line of sight distance to the horizon
 '   s_\mathrm{H} ='   'distance to the horizon along the surface of the globe
 '   h_\mathrm{O} ='   'eye height of the observer measured from the surface of the globe
 '   R ='   '6371 km = radius of the earth without refraction; 7433 km = radius to use for standard refraction 7/6 Rearth; 7681 km = radius for standard refraction k = 0.17 (sea level)


Approximation Equations for the Hidden Height

If the observer height hO is much smaller than the radius of the earth R, the Exact Equations for the Hidden Height can be simplified by the following approximation:


h_\mathrm{h} \approx { { \left( d - \sqrt{ 2 \cdot R \cdot h_\mathrm{O} } \right) }^2 \over 2 \cdot R }

for   h_\mathrm{O} \ll R

where'   
 '   h_\mathrm{h} ='   'hidden height
 '   h_\mathrm{O} ='   'eye height of the observer measured from the surface of the globe
 '   d ='   'distance between observer and target, line of sight or along the surface
 '   R ='   '6371 km = radius of the earth without refraction; 7433 km = radius to use for standard refraction 7/6 R earth; 7681 km = radius for standard refraction k = 0.17 (sea level)
Note: for observer height much less than the radius of the earth, the line of sight distance d and the surface distance s are identical for all practical purposes. So the equation above holds for both cases.

The distance to the horizon can also be approximated by the following equation:


d_\mathrm{H} \approx \sqrt{ 2 \cdot R \cdot h_\mathrm{O} }

where'   
 '   d_\mathrm{H} ='   'distance to the horizon
 '   h_\mathrm{O} ='   'eye height of the observer measured from the surface of the globe
 '   R ='   '6371 km = radius of the earth without refraction; 7433 km = radius to use for standard refraction 7/6 Rearth; 7681 km = radius for standard refraction k = 0.17 (sea level)

Conclusion: For all practical purposes while the observer is within the troposphere, so that the observer height hO is much less than the radius of the earth R, you can use the approximation equations. In this case for the distance between observer and target you can use the line of sight or the distance along the surface. They are practically identical.

Apparent Horizon Radius

How much the horizon drops at each end of the image depends on the focal length (zoom) of the camera. The curve of the horizon is barely noticable if the viewing angle is narrow (high zoom value). Due to perspective distortions, if we are not thousands of kilometers away from earth, the apparent curve of the horizon is only approximately a circular arc. This gets obvious on very wide angle lenses beyond a viewing angle of 70°. But at the center of each image the apparent radius of the horizon is exactly the refracted radius of the earth (about 7/6 R for standard refraction). The reason is because we are looking tangential to a great circle passing through the horizon point from left to right.

Why does the curvature appear different from different altitudes? Because as we increase the observer altitude the horizon distance gets bigger. Due to perspective, everything at the horizon appears smaller. This includes the radius of the earth at the horizon, which is the apparent radius mentioned here. So although the curvature of the horizon is always the refracted R, it appears different due to perspective and the distance to the horizon.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 16, 2021, 12:15:40 pm
The People of Other Worlds - ROBERT SEPEHR


Dr. Hermann Oberth was a respected Austro-Hungarian-born German physicist and engineer, internationally-known rocket pioneer, and head of the US CALTECH Laboratories until 1955. Considered one of the founding fathers of rocketry and astronautics, Oberth eventually came to work for one of his students, former SS officer Wernher von Braun, who was developing space rockets for NASA.


1 hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qqR5dJOpRo
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 01, 2021, 08:29:41 pm
Uniform Circular Motion is Constant Acceleration



5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAI3RNlMiFE


Consult any mainstream science publication or ask any science teacher "why can't we feel the Earth spinning?" and they will unanimously reply that it is because the globe spins at a perfect constant speed, and we can only feel acceleration or deceleration.  As CoolCosmos writes: "Earth moves very fast. It spins at a speed of about 1,000 miles per hour and orbits around the Sun at a speed of about 67,000 miles per hour.


We do not feel any of this motion because these speeds are constant. You can only feel motion if your speed changes. For example, if you are in a car which is moving at a constant speed on a smooth surface, you will not feel much motion. However, when the car accelerates or when the brakes are applied, you do feel motion."  The glaring problem with this claim rarely ever addressed is that the globe and everything on it, if it existed, would be undergoing constant acceleration, because uniform circular motion IS constant acceleration.

As published on physicsclassroom.com, "Uniform circular motion can be described as the motion of an object in a circle at a constant speed. As an object moves in a circle, it is constantly changing its direction. At all instances, the object is moving tangent to the circle. Since the direction of the velocity vector is the same as the direction of the object's motion, the velocity vector is directed tangent to the circle as well. An object moving in a circle is accelerating. An object undergoing uniform circular motion is moving with a constant speed.


Nonetheless, it is accelerating due to its change in direction. The direction of the acceleration is inwards. With the inward net force directed perpendicular to the velocity vector, the object is always changing its direction and undergoing an inward acceleration."  Therefore the globe's theoretical astronomy is at odds with demonstrable physics.  Uniform (and even moreso with non-uniform) circular motion creates a centripetal force which entails constant acceleration in constantly changing directions. 


The heliocentric models claims the Earth rotates in uniform circular motion at a constant speed while revolving an elliptical orbit around the Sun at another constant speed, while the entire solar system makes a circular orbit around the Milky Way galaxy at another constant speed, and the Milky Way galaxy shoots off in a straight line from their Big Bang beginning at yet another constant speed.  In other words, we are actually supposedly undergoing 4 different circular, elliptical and straight line motions simultaneously, but being told that we quote "do not feel any of this motion because these speeds are constant." 


They always give the example of a car or train going straight at a constant velocity and claim we cannot feel that motion, but what if the car is speeding along an elevated uniform circular racetrack, while that entire elevated racetrack is making an elliptical circuit around the racing grounds, while simultaneously the entire racing grounds themselves are on a gigantic moving circular foundation, while that foundation itself shoots straight off into the universe?  These are the actual variables involved with the globe's supposed constant speed that no one in history has ever demonstrated, measured, felt or experienced whatsoever. 


So the next time someone claims you cannot feel the Earth's motion because it spins a constant speed, remind them that uniform circular motion IS acceleration and acceleration IS felt, and when they give you the example of a car driving down a straight road, remind them that the car is actually driving on a circular racetrack, while the racetrack is making an elliptical circuit around the racing grounds, while the entire racing grounds themselves are circling around a larger foundation, and that foundation itself is traveling in a straight line. 


These 4 simultaneous varying motions the globe is subjected to in the heliocentric model create multiple acceleration vectors and destroy any possibility that they wouldn't be felt or measurable due to traveling at a constant speed.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 17, 2021, 05:34:37 pm
Space Virgins Get Lucky?


3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G4udHtgJYo


Space fantasy fan-boys and fan-girls have just received their latest damage-control propaganda update from actor Richard Branson where he claims to have gone to space and filmed the spinning-ball Earth for us (but really he just did some parabolic maneuvers simulating free-fall while in a fancy plane)! 


Unfortunately for old Dick and his riders, rather than use a normal lens to film the Earth, like all honest amateurs do when sending up their high altitude balloons, these space virgins, just like NASA, Space X, the Red Bull dive and all other so-called "official" sources, always suspiciously choose to use a fish-eye lens causing the horizon to constantly and radically warp from convex, to flat, to concave. 


As the camera tilts relative to the horizon the ends warp up or down respectively, but when held still and level the horizon is flat.  As the normal back camera shows, the horizon actually remains perfectly flat and rises to the eye-level of the camera all the way up. 


If the Earth was actually a globe, no matter how large, the surface of the globe would curve downwards in all directions away from the observer causing them to necessarily tilt their heads down more and more the further they ascended to be able to see the horizon.  In reality, which is only consistent with rising over a flat plane, the horizon rises along with the observer and remains precisely at eye-level for the entire ascent! 


This trick is apparent both in Branson's trip this week as well as Baumgartner's Red Bull dive from several years ago.  The fish-eye lens cameras show a constantly warping horizon which was already curving the picture at ground level the very same amount of so-called "Earth curve" that it showed at 128,000 feet just before diving. 


The trick is given away however when they switch to the regular non-fish eye lens camera inside the craft which shows a perfectly flat horizon still perfectly at eye-level while hovering over 20 miles above a supposed globe.  Do you see something wrong with this picture?  If you do, then welcome to the truth of your hoaxed reality.  If you don't, then enjoy watching these terrible slack-jawed actors with their mouths gaping wide open at how ridiculously gullible you sheeple are.

Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 22, 2021, 05:52:25 am
BECOME A FLAT EARTHER IN 13 MINUTES


13 minutes
Only available on my BitChute channel
https://www.bitchute.com/video/iaMV4bzmJdw/
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 14, 2021, 09:21:23 am
As The World Turns - A Documentary


https://odysee.com/@ShakingMyHead2:8/as-the-world-turns-a-documentary:2?
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 14, 2021, 05:40:49 pm
Organized Religion Is Destroying The Earth | Prophecy



36 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueSJUIxfeNA
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 02, 2021, 07:44:01 pm
Mercury and Venus at Night Debunk Heliocentrism



2 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5N_pSSNMlc



In the heliocentric model of the universe, our Sun is at the center of a solar system, orbited by the planets in the order of Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. Due to this arrangement, as you can see in the following image, since Mercury and Venus are situated closer to the Sun than the Earth, an observer on Earth would have to always be facing the Sun in order to view them.

If an Earth observer was on the dark half facing away from the Sun, it would of course be impossible to see Mercury or Venus because the entire mass of the globe-Earth they believe they're standing on would be in the way blocking their ability to see Mercury, Venus and the Sun. This means that in the heliocentric model, the only time an observer on Earth should ever be able to see Mercury and Venus is during the day when the Sun is also visible.

For an observer on the globe-Earth to be able to see Mercury and/or Venus at night time is simply impossible. As you can see in the following clips, however, and you can find by filming or searching for yourself, depending where and when you're shooting from, Mercury and Venus can and are both visible at night. For hours before dawn and hours after dusk, these luminaries can be seen shining bright with the Sun nowhere to be found.

Again, if these luminaries were truly orbiting around the heliocentric solar system, the ONLY times they could be visible to an observer on Earth, the Sun would also be visible. Naysayers will claim that seeing these luminaries before dawn or after dusk is due to some perfect angle achieved where the Sun is being totally blocked by their ball-Earth but the inner planets are somehow still visible.

When we film Venus two hours before sunrise or two hours after sunset, however, the reality is that the globe-Earth would be 210 degrees away from the Sun, with hundreds of miles of curved Earth blocking their view to anything on the other side and no line of sight possible.

This is just one of hundreds of such proofs that you are not living on a tilting, wobbling, spinning space-ball in a CGI solar system. When ready to finally cure your chronic vertigo and cease your dizzying spin around the galaxy, please sit down with an open-mind and humble-heart.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 04, 2021, 01:07:21 pm
WHAT'S NEXT & HOW TO BE READY: A LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE HEADED



I have been doing some searching into what it means to be ready as my first given mission was to get everybody ready. When I was first told to do this, I thought it would be simple, but I've found that it requires more than just knocking on doors and saying "get ready." We must build each other up in these last days as the persecution ramps up.



17 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9JVJsejX_M
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 04, 2021, 10:43:28 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB2wrxIf40E
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 18, 2021, 05:55:14 pm
Sirach 43 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)


The Splendor of the Sun


43 The pride of the higher realms is the clear vault of the sky,
as glorious to behold as the sight of the heavens.
2 The sun, when it appears, proclaims as it rises
what a marvelous instrument it is, the work of the Most High.
3 At noon it parches the land,
and who can withstand its burning heat?
4 A man tending[a] a furnace works in burning heat,
but three times as hot is the sun scorching the mountains;
it breathes out fiery vapors,
and its bright rays blind the eyes.
5 Great is the Lord who made it;
at his orders it hurries on its course.


The Splendor of the Moon
6 It is the moon that marks the changing seasons,
governing the times, their everlasting sign.
7 From the moon comes the sign for festal days,
a light that wanes when it completes its course.
8 The new moon, as its name suggests, renews itself;[c]
how marvelous it is in this change,
a beacon to the hosts on high,
shining in the vault of the heavens!


The Glory of the Stars and the Rainbow
9 The glory of the stars is the beauty of heaven,
a glittering array in the heights of the Lord.
10 On the orders of the Holy One they stand in their appointed places;
they never relax in their watches.
11 Look at the rainbow, and praise him who made it;
it is exceedingly beautiful in its brightness.
12 It encircles the sky with its glorious arc;
the hands of the Most High have stretched it out.

The Marvels of Nature
By his command he sends the driving snow
and speeds the lightnings of his judgment.
14 Therefore the storehouses are opened,
and the clouds fly out like birds.
15 In his majesty he gives the clouds their strength,
and the hailstones are broken in pieces.
17a The voice of his thunder rebukes the earth;
16 when he appears, the mountains shake.
At his will the south wind blows;
17b so do the storm from the north and the whirlwind.
He scatters the snow like birds flying down,
and its descent is like locusts alighting.
18 The eye is dazzled by the beauty of its whiteness,
and the mind is amazed as it falls.
19 He pours frost over the earth like salt,
and icicles form like pointed thorns.
20 The cold north wind blows,
and ice freezes on the water;
it settles on every pool of water,
and the water puts it on like a breastplate.
21 He consumes the mountains and burns up the wilderness,
and withers the tender grass like fire.
22 A mist quickly heals all things;
the falling dew gives refreshment from the heat.


23 By his plan he stilled the deep
and planted islands in it.
24 Those who sail the sea tell of its dangers,
and we marvel at what we hear.
25 In it are strange and marvelous creatures,
all kinds of living things, and huge sea-monsters.
26 Because of him each of his messengers succeeds,
and by his word all things hold together.

27 We could say more but could never say enough;
let the final word be: “He is the all.”
28 Where can we find the strength to praise him?
For he is greater than all his works.
29 Awesome is the Lord and very great,
and marvelous is his power.
30 Glorify the Lord and exalt him as much as you can,
for he surpasses even that.
When you exalt him, summon all your strength,
and do not grow weary, for you cannot praise him enough.
31 Who has seen him and can describe him?
Or who can extol him as he is?
32 Many things greater than these lie hidden,
for I[d] have seen but few of his works.
33 For the Lord has made all things,
and to the godly he has given wisdom.








Footnotes:
Sirach 43:4 Other ancient authorities read blowing upon
Sirach 43:6 Heb: Meaning of Gk uncertain
Sirach 43:8 Heb: Gk The month is named after the moon
Sirach 43:32 Heb: Gk we
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 18, 2021, 06:00:04 pm
Sirach 48 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)





Isaiah
23 In Isaiah’s[h] days the sun went backward,
and he prolonged the life of the king.
24 By his dauntless spirit he saw the future,
and comforted the mourners in Zion.
25 He revealed what was to occur to the end of time,
and the hidden things before they happened.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: guest8 on September 18, 2021, 10:45:42 pm
Sirach 48 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)





Isaiah
23 In Isaiah’s[h] days the sun went backward,
and he prolonged the life of the king.
24 By his dauntless spirit he saw the future,
and comforted the mourners in Zion.
25 He revealed what was to occur to the end of time,
and the hidden things before they happened.


some say it was not the sun that was stopped but the earth that goes around it...OK, we are going around  and around at roughly 1,000 miles per hour and go around the sun at around at roughly 67,000 miles per hour....That all had to be stopped for the sun to stop, unless the earth does not turn and circle the son but rather the sun is rotating around the earth. Then the sun could be stopped, or backed up, slowed down, etc.

Blade
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 19, 2021, 10:28:43 pm
ENDURING THE PERSECUTION & PLAGUES WE WERE WARNED ABOUT



As prophecies are being fulfilled the world will continue to intensify its persecution against the elect. It's a tough new reality, but I am hearing testimonies from some of you that has given me a reminder of how the Father has always provided for those who love Him and keep his commands.



16 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N6pJmTR-lQ
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on September 21, 2021, 10:02:19 am
Daylight Debunks the Globe


5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlNhPXCH5cA




One simple and definitive proof that you are not living on a spinning ball orbiting around the Sun is the fact that daytime and nighttime never switch places as they must for the heliocentric model to be true.  According to the globe doctrine, Earth makes one complete rotation on its axis every 24 hours, while simultaneously orbiting around the Sun and completing one full revolution every 365 days. 





If this was truly happening however, as you can see from the following image, the daytime and nighttime sides of the globe would have to flip every 6 months. For a more detailed illustration of this, imagine the Sun rising at 6am in New York on the Summer solstice.  After 3 months of 24 hour rotations, the globe would be 90 degrees from its previous position and a quarter turn away from the Sun, meaning that sunrise in New York during the Autumnal equinox should now be happening at midnight. 





After 3 more months of 24 hour rotations, the globe would be on the complete opposite side of the Sun, 180 degrees from its starting position, so that sunrise in New York during the Winter solstice should be happening at 6pm, or in other words, daytime and nighttime would have completely flipped from 6 months earlier.  After 3 more months of 24 hour rotations, the globe would be 270 degrees from its original position, and sunrise in New York during the Spring equinox should be happening at noon. In reality, as you can test and observe for yourself, this simply does not happen and remains yet another nail in the globe's coffin. 





Globe apologist naysayers make either one of two ridiculous claims in an attempt to excuse away this clear problem in their model.  Their first defense is to claim that days are not actually 24 hours long, but instead only 23:56 long, and this 4 minute difference per day fixes the math allowing day and night to flip.  Now it is true that there are two kinds of days known as solar days and sidereal days, and sidereal days are in fact 23:56 minutes long, but solar days, which everyone on Earth sets their clocks by, are exactly 24 hours in duration. 





Sidereal days, which nobody sets their clocks by, are actually how long the fixed stars take to make one revolution over and around our Earth plane.  As you can observe and measure for yourself, the constellations rotate just slightly faster than the Sun, so that they take exactly 23:56 minutes to come back to their starting point, while the Sun takes exactly 24 hours to come back to its starting point.   





Firstly, the fact that sidereal and solar days both exist and are not exactly the same duration, is yet another proof that the stars and Sun are moving and not the Earth.  If the apparent movement of the stars and Sun was actually the result of us living on a spinning globe, as we're told, then there would and could only be one duration of day, namely, the amount of time it takes to complete one full rotation. 





The fact that there are two different durations of rotation time for the Sun and stars just further proves that they are moving at their own unique speeds over and around a motionless, fixed Earth.  Secondly, if globe apologists want to claim solar days are now suddenly only 23:56 minutes, then why hasn't anyone in history ever noticed that our 24 hour clocks, which billions of people have used for thousands of years, actually fall behind reality 4 minutes every single day!?  The reason is because it doesn't happen, and trying to claim solar days are the same duration as sidereal days just shows the disingenuous lengths these zealots will go to cling onto their false cosmology.   





Their next defense, even more ridiculous than the first, is to claim that the Earth actually must complete 361 degrees of rotation per day, and that that somehow makes up for it.  They completely redefine what a "day" means and claim, instead of a day being one full 24 hour rotation of the globe as we have always been taught, a "day" now suddenly means "the amount of rotation until the Sun reaches the same point in the sky," which they say is approximately 361 degrees. 





With this excuse, however, new problems arise because the globe's supposed orbit around the Sun is actually elliptical, so depending where/when during its revolution around the Sun, the Earth's rotation on its axis would have to be both speeding up and slowing down at different times of the year just to maintain their new definition of what a "day" means. 





But of course in their own model, the Earth's alleged rotation never speeds up or slows down and remains constant always.  They cannot have it both ways, but like the kid who wants to have his cake and eat it too, these leaps of logic pose no problem for the willfully ignorant.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 06, 2021, 11:19:02 pm
Why Flat Earth Matters


3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNVVBVfO-KA


When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 500 year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have all been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses.

The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve.

Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years!

Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally all of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 09, 2021, 07:06:56 am
Supporting Natural Immunity makes you a flat earther / The fact checkers' conflict of interest.



If you support science, you are a flat earther. Fact checkers are funded by J&J.



7 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vnO-22iD58
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 14, 2021, 09:17:14 am
Flatlantis (Full Audiobook)




Flatlantis is an exploration into the history of Flat Earth, the mythology of Atlantis, and the mystery of Mount Meru, the alleged magnetic mountain ancient cultures worldwide believed existed at the North Pole.

Beginning with a complete history of the geocentric flat Earth cosmology and subsequent gradual adoption of the heliocentric globe Earth model, Flatlantis then delves into ancient polar mythologies, early polar history/cartography, modern polar expeditions, and the myriad problems with claims made by Cook, Peary, Byrd, Scott, Amundsen, and other explorers.

Finally, in a metaphysical twist, the book ends with research into Freemasonry, Christian esotericism, the Atlantean legend, Kundalini Yoga, ancient advanced civilizations and how they are all intimately connected to the North Pole.




5 hours 30 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFxTQJu9KLQ
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 14, 2021, 09:44:46 am
Every Flat Earth Question Answered - Flat Earth Model 2022




6 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhAjG-AaB8c
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 15, 2021, 07:46:29 am
Hello Family, I just received the saddest news that the one our Father used to bring me and countless others to His truth has passed away. Rob Skiba is without a doubt the most influential person in the truth movement and the best at making the Bible interesting and fun to study.

I can't put together any words that would do him justice due to the shock and sadness, but I wanted to share a link I found that will allow those of you who want to support his wife and family a chance to do so.

I found the link to his paypal on his fb page and hope that it is the best place to help his wife Sheila with anything she needs. If you feel led to support her, please do so. Thanks!


https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=VWUBTW2R6W4GY



(https://yt3.ggpht.com/OKILvhXHw7UkOBR28qpB96lvT8Jmew114koR2zLBFEwpCq_Q1NkL1Vsyv1Aepl43V63QqQyx8UDoOqo=s640-c-fcrop64=1,2acb0000ec9dffff-nd)



ROB SKIBA'S WISDOM AND WARNING FROM 2013 ABOUT TODAY'S REALITY





This is by no means a full length tribute to Rob as it would take me months to create anything that does his ministry justice. However, I did want to share some of the things that have brought me comfort since learning of his passing.




12 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCyJ0I9w59c


Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 18, 2021, 07:52:39 am
William Shatner's rocket launch: real or fake?



Dear Captain Kirk: if the earth appeared flat to you at 350,000 feet, then there is no globe. Just come out and tell everyone the earth is flat, it's the right thing to do.



3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9TkQIA3UxQ
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 23, 2021, 10:59:53 pm
Earth's Heartbeat: Seasons explained.



3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mndaF10qf6Y



The sun is a plasmoid caught in earth's magnetic field and its path is affected by the Schumann resonance. Lightning excites the Schumann resonance causing oscillations every year.

This model demonstrates seasons but does not include the moon or wandering stars. I believe the wandering stars aka planets would be in the outer radiation belt. This is not meant to be 100% accurate and merely illustrates my theory
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on October 25, 2021, 12:04:37 pm
Flat Earth - Volcanoes and Earthquakes



7 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw5Uq4M0yf0



One question I am often asked is how earthquakes and volcanoes work on a flat Earth. The short answer is however earthquakes and volcanoes work on an Earth with curvature, they work exactly the same on an Earth without curvature. No special explanation for these phenomena are necessary because the theories that exist for their occurrences are irrelevant to the shape of the Earth.

Having said that, the prevailing theory for the cause of earthquakes actually makes more sense on a planar Earth than a spherical one. Plate Tectonics theory holds that large adjacent grinding plates of land build up friction until one fault plane slips under the other causing an Earthquake. This could theoretically happen regardless of the shape of the Earth, but even the mainstream images and terminology employed from "PLATE" tectonics to fault "PLANES," all suggest the geology of a level plane and not a spherical ball.

As for volcanoes, the globe model purports that the lava which erupts and is ejected from volcanoes comes from deep inside the magical magma tootsie-roll center of their tootsie-pop Earth. In reality however the longest and deepest drilling operation in history, the Russian Kola Superdeep, after over 20 years and busting several drills managed to bore only 8 miles down, so the entire ball-Earth model taught in schools showing a crust, outer-mantle, inner-mantle, outer-core and inner-core layers where this molten magma supposedly rests are all purely speculation as we have never actually even penetrated through beyond the crust.

What we do know is that Earth's matter gets denser and more pressurized, therefore more heated, the further down you go. At its greatest depth of just under 8 miles, the Kola Superdeep bore hole registered a blazing temperature of 356 degrees Fahrenheit. As you drill downwards, the temperature constantly increases approximately 1 degree Fahrenheit per 50 feet, so that after only 1.5 miles down it is already the temperature of boiling water, and by the time you reached 15 miles down all rocks would be melted down and molten.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 11, 2021, 12:49:16 pm
Pseudo-Scientific Moon Mathe-Magic


3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcsazyX1fwg



In the heliocentric model of the cosmos, the Moon revolves around the Earth 13 times per year traveling at 2,288 mph, while the Earth revolves around the Sun once per year traveling at 67,000mph.  The following model and animation illustrate how this is supposed to occur.  As you can see, since the Moon is revolving around the Earth, which itself is revolving around the Sun, in order to maintain its regular orbit, the Moon would have to be constantly and drastically changing its speed in ways completely unaccounted for by the model.

In the outer part of its orbit, the Moon would have to speed up 67,000mph in addition to its regular speed of 2,288mph just to keep up with the Earth.  So the Moon would then be traveling at 69,288mph when it reached the front of the Earth.  At this point, since the Moon is allegedly 240,000 miles away from Earth, the Earth would catch up in just 4 hours, so the Moon must continue traveling 67,000mph along Earth's trajectory while simultaneously continuing its now perpendicular 2,288mph second trajectory.  Then as it turns to reach the inner part of its orbit, the Moon must slow back down to its original speed allowing the Earth to pass by.  Lastly, as it passes behind the Earth, the Moon must once again quickly accelerate back up to nearly 70,000mph before getting left in the dust.

In addition to all of this, the Sun itself is allegedly orbiting the Milky Way galaxy at 448,000mph further compounding the problems and calculations of the heliocentric model.  If this were true, then the Earth, Moon, and other planets would all have yet another set of ridiculous and impossible corkscrewing accelerations and decelerations necessary just to keep up with the Sun.  And for the cherry on top, all of these calculations have been assuming perfectly circular orbits, but the actual heliocentric model claims that the Moon's orbit around the Earth, the Earth's orbit around the Sun, and the Sun's orbit around the Milky Way, are all elliptical, not circular, meaning there would be even more additional accelerations and decelerations to calculate depending where each one is along its elliptical path.

These constant and drastic accelerations and decelerations necessitated by the heliocentric model are rarely if ever mentioned by globe believers because they have always been taught that the reason we do not feel or experience any of this supposed motion is because we always travel at a constant velocity.  In their own model however, due to their elliptical orbits and revolving around other revolving bodies, the Moon, Sun, Earth and other planets, could not maintain constant velocities and would instead be regularly accelerating and decelerating.  Yet meanwhile you can stack a house of cards, make a rock cairn, or play a game of Jenga all without any of this motion, acceleration and deceleration ever being felt or experienced.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 16, 2021, 06:09:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3xJ6i7ZRGw
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on November 28, 2021, 04:29:01 pm
How I Learned About Flat Earth





10 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXzNeCC9fTc


All children naturally assume and believe we live on a level stationary Earth with the Sun, Moon and stars revolving over and around us because that is what we actually experience every day of our lives. No children before heliocentric indoctrination would ever assume or believe they lived on a tilting, wobbling, spinning oblate spheroid hurdling incredible speeds through infinite vacuum space, because none of that is present in our lived experience. Only after thorough indoctrination through mainstream media and government education do children slowly begin to abandon their actual natural every day lived experience of the world, and adopt the new imaginative model espoused by their teachers and televisions.


I remember the moment we began studying the solar system in elementary school and were taught that Earth was a giant blue ball floating in space spinning circles around the Sun. The entire concept sounded ridiculous to me as I sat clearly still and motionless in my chair while being told the ground beneath me was actually tilting, wobbling, rotating and revolving many thousands of miles per hour in various directions.


I could see the flat horizon out the window, at the beach, and from mountain tops clearly never curving downwards in the slightest, yet I was being told the Earth was a ball and that if I dug a hole straight down far enough I would pop out in China and find more sky below me! 


When the teacher then insisted that everyone in Australia was actually living their lives upside-down relative to people on the Northern Hemisphere, I remember raising my hand confused and asking, "why don't people in the Southern Hemisphere fall off of the ball?" to which my teacher readily replied with the heliocentric model's one word magical answer for all critical questions: gravity - An invisible force strong enough to hold the world's oceans, buildings and people stuck to a rapidly spinning ball, while simultaneously weak enough to allow birds, bugs, smoke, steam, and helium balloons to completely evade its grasp...
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 02, 2021, 10:09:57 pm
All these meta-human highways that can never lead you home...




33 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wxH3Kt3enI
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 02, 2021, 10:41:37 pm
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 04, 2021, 11:41:51 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nIxnXHOdg
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 24, 2021, 11:03:46 am
Eratosthenes Experiment Debunks Flat Earth?



3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH4PW0Y0wY8


One of the most common alleged proofs quoted for the spherical Earth theory is the Eratosthenes sticks and shadows experiment.  Many people may remember NASA spokesman Carl Sagan presenting this experiment by using a map of Egypt with two obelisks attached and showing their resulting shadows. 

The story goes that around 250 B.C. a Greek mathematician and philosopher named Eratosthenes noted that at noon during the Summer Solstice in Syene, the Sun cast no shadow and the rays could reach straight to the bottom of his well, yet meanwhile in Alexandria a vertically standing metal rod cast a significant shadow. 

Eratosthenes, Carl Sagan, and other globe proponents reason that this result is impossible on a flat Earth.  To quote Carl Sagan, "If at a certain moment each stick casts no shadow at all, that is perfectly easy to understand provided the Earth is flat. 

If the shadow at Syene is a certain length, and the shadow at Alexandria is the same length, that also makes sense on a flat Earth.  But how could it be, Eratosthenes asked, that at the same instant there was no shadow at Syene and a very substantial shadow at Alexandria? 

The only answer (he claimed) was that the surface of the Earth is curved."  After reaching this conclusion, Eratosthenes then famously factored the length of the two shadows with his assumed distance to the Sun and recorded a measurement of the globe Earth's circumference close to what heliocentrist astronomers still use today. 

The fact of the matter is, however, that Eratosthenes, Sagan, and others are simply incorrect in their assumption that this would only be possible on a curved Earth. 

In reality, the exact same results occur on a flat Earth with a local Sun.  Eratosthenes’ calculations were made assuming the Sun to be millions of miles away so that its rays would fall perfectly parallel even in points as divergent as Syene and Alexandria. 

Anyone familiar with the phenomenon known as crepuscular rays, however, knows full well that the Sun's rays simply do NOT fall perfectly parallel, especially at such distant points, rendering the entire argument moot.  Furthermore, using sextants and plane trigonometry, by measuring the Sun’s angle at two points on

Earth simultaneously and factoring their distance from each other, the Pythagorean theorum reveals that the Sun is NOT millions of miles away, but instead less than a few thousand.  High altitude balloon footage has also filmed lighting hot-spots on clouds further proving the Sun to be local and acting as a spotlight. 

Therefore if globe believers wish to be honest, they must admit it is their faulty assumption that only a distant Sun with parallel rays could produce such results which has led to their faulty conclusion of a curved Earth, because Flat Earthers have always maintained that the Sun was local, and the very existence of crepuscular rays render the entire experiment invalid.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 25, 2021, 04:47:28 am
WHY "THEY" LIE & WHO THEY ARE



The most common questions asked are "why would they lie" and "who are they" so I thought I'd piece together some of the many connections throughout history. This isn't going to answer the questions entirely due to time constraints, but I will be back with more answers to the "who" "why" and what else they're hiding.



25 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mWPuTqGI1I
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 30, 2021, 04:22:42 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R-a4DmXcAw
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on December 30, 2021, 09:45:57 pm
20 Reasons Against Newtonianism (Videobook)




13 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJsoUUYQAuw


In the interest of preserving for posterity the wealth of flat Earth knowledge and research done during the late 19th and early 20th century, I am continuing a series of audiobook and PDF downloads to make them more easily and widely available. Today's selection is Ebenezer Breach's 1898 booklet "20 Reasons Against Newtonianism."
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 02, 2022, 08:11:09 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu2EuPeS9y8
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 06, 2022, 09:59:18 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrqIoBaFxcE
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 07, 2022, 07:43:01 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX7awxLobfU
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 10, 2022, 08:35:00 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS0YQx_pKZw&list=WL&index=1
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 14, 2022, 09:39:04 am
Flat Earth: "Through the Looking Glass" - The Bible/Enoch on the Planets...



So if the stars are not burning balls of gas, millions of light years away, but rather, angelic "luminations"...

And these angels can fall...

And there are those who have fallen...
Those who have wandered.  Transgressed...

What I find myself wondering at this point, is this;
How can we even trust the lights we see with eyes, through our telescopes, if they are being projected from such fallen, wandering angelic luminaries...?

For some time now, I have been exploring the idea that the entire false heliocentric Copernican system was conceived of and perpetuated by Satan, in order to essentially craft a new narrative through which he and his fallen minions could once again present themselves to humanity as our "saviors" and "gods".  (This is the entire purpose of the whole "ancient aliens" meme).  So in that light, the notion that these fallen luminaries, these deceivers, might in fact deceive the entire human race, for hundreds of years, into believing there are other "worlds" out there, (and thus providing a premise from which "extra-terrestrials" could then come from) honestly, to me, doesn't seem as far-fetched as one might think...





12 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYbT4MFYwJ0&list=WL&index=12
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 23, 2022, 05:39:01 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPtIW0-fQ8E
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on January 27, 2022, 04:50:41 pm
The Dauntless Astronomy (Videobook)




In the interest of preserving for posterity the wealth of flat Earth knowledge and research done during the late 19th and early 20th century, I am continuing a series of audiobook and PDF downloads to make them more easily and widely available. Today's selection is Ebenezer Breach's 1894 speech, "The Dauntless Astronomy."


Please Note:  Ebenezer Breach was a literalist Christian and used biblical references along with scientific.  He also made his own astronomical measurements and had his own figures for the diameter and distance of the Sun, Moon and stars which differed from other 19th century flat Earthers, who themselves didn't have a consensus, other than to always be working with tens, hundreds and thousands, rather than the heliocentrist's millions, billions and trillions
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20 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZmDZlQtCCY
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 05, 2022, 09:55:54 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO9XQXIPGe4
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 25, 2022, 12:13:06 pm
Call to Duty Fight The Good Fight #1



THANK YOU WesBlaze FOR LETTING ME MIRROR YOUR VIDEO!
(This is Sheila) I wanted to post this video because I know Rob would of loved it! It's time to be "CALLED TO DUTY!"





30 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOUQXuimjqc
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on February 27, 2022, 01:35:31 pm
A CLOSER LOOK AT THE FIRMAMENT IN THE WORD




44 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHphD1VidXY
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 06, 2022, 09:58:10 pm
Cavendish Experiment Proves Gravity?




3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB-_A1AIEjo




In 1797, Henry Cavendish, the British scientist, Freemason, and wealthy grandson of the Duke of Devonshire, created an experiment which he claimed successfully proved the existence of gravity, measured its constant, and provided accurate figures for the exact masses of the Earth, Sun, Moon, and Planets.  How did Cavendish achieve this quantum leap for heliocentric pseudo-science?  He fixed two large lead balls on opposite ends of a torsion balance and hung them from the roof of his shed. 



By watching and recording slight motions of the contraption via telescope through his shed window so his mass would not affect the reading, Cavendish claimed to have proven gravity.  Two small lead balls were hung near the large ones and any motion observed towards one another was touted as being the influence of gravity. Now, the Cavendish experiment has been widely criticized by the scientific community because never in over two centuries since its creation has anyone been able to replicate it! 



Firstly, the balls simply do not always attract one another as they must for the so-called gravitational constant to be constant at all.  Sometimes the torsion balance turns towards the balls and sometimes away as it is impossible not to give some slight tremulous motion when interacting with it. Henry even complained in his notes how often as he was performing the measurement the contraption was still in oscillation. 



Secondly, since his calculated force of gravity was 10^39 weaker than the force of electro-magnetism, from which all material objects are composed, there is no control for the experiment which can factor out and positively differentiate the alleged gravitational force, from the known stronger electro-magnetic force. 



In other words, the balls could simply be attracting each other through static electricity, a known force existing in all things, billions of times stronger than gravity, and impossible to control for the experiment.  Even though no one could replicate Cavendish’s findings, the experiment went down in history as a great success, and is still taught as veritable proof of universal gravitation in science textbooks today.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 22, 2022, 10:26:39 am
Coriolis Effect Debunks Flat Earth?




5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Zge7YgON4



In the mid-19th century, a Frenchman named Gaspard-Gustave Coriolis performed several experiments showing the effect of kinetic energy on rotating systems, which have ever since become mythologized as proof of the heliocentric theory of the cosmos. The “Coriolis Effect” is often said to cause sinks and toilet bowls in the Northern Hemisphere to drain spinning in one direction while in the Southern Hemisphere causing them to spin the opposite way, thus providing proof of the spinning ball-Earth.


Once again, however, just like Foucault’s Pendulums spinning either which way, sinks and toilets in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres do not consistently spin in any one direction! Sinks and toilets in the very same household are often found to spin opposite directions, depending entirely upon the shape of the basin and the angle of the water’s entry, not the supposed rotation of the Earth.


NOTE:  For people who have seen my other similar videos on these subjects, I am updating them with new information, new visuals, and higher quality audio/video, also giving them different titles to to work around the algorithm.  You can help by liking, commenting, sharing, and subscribing, thanks!
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on March 31, 2022, 11:02:32 pm
20 Proofs NASA Faked the Moon Landings




Between 1969-1972 NASA, the American National Aeronautics and Space Administration, allegedly flew 6 successful manned missions to the Moon where they did everything from playing golf, to speeding around in a dune buggy, to receiving a live phone call From President Nixon.  In reality, when examined in-depth with a critical eye however, these staged events are found to be nothing but a monumental hoax perpetrated upon a gullible and unsuspecting public.




23 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkpOwRzmvPk
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 13, 2022, 09:38:12 am
Ships Disappear Beyond Earth's Curvature?



4 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrfFn-nZ3ns



One of the most commonly cited alleged proofs of the globe Earth is the disappearance of ships sailing beyond the horizon as seen from an observer on shore.  Globe Earthers since Aristotle have claimed the reason that ship hulls disappear before their mast-heads when sailing away is due to the physical curvature of the Earth obfuscating their view. 

This simple supposed proof is still cited today by Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Michelle Thaller and other NASA spokespeople, but is easily shown invalid with the use of modern zoom technology.  By fixing a good telescope or super-zoom camera aimed at the horizon on a clear day it is possible to bring ships that have completely disappeared beyond the supposed curvature of the Earth fully back into view.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 18, 2022, 05:43:38 pm
Why Can't Everyone See Mount Everest on a Flat Earth?




3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqvH0Y1L41s


Globe Earthers often ask, "if the Earth is flat, then why can't people from anywhere in the world zoom with a telescope and see Mount Everest?"  To begin with, this question pre-supposes the errant assumption that we can see indefinitely far with the use of a telescope.  This idea has been indoctrinated into people due to modern astronomers claiming that the stars and planets shown through their telescopes are millions and billions and trillions of miles away, making many people assume that a telescope pointed horizontally should also be able to see equally far, or at least as far as Mount Everest.  In reality, however, as you can test for yourself using a telescope or camera with just 100x - 200x zoom capability, the stars and planets are not nearly that far away and can be zoomed into incredible detail beyond what would be possible of something so absurdly distant. 

Furthermore, when looking horizontally across the Earth there are a number of visibility and atmospheric limitations present that don't factor when looking upwards towards the stars, namely perspective and convergence, angular resolution and the vanishing point, as well as pollution, haze, humidity, fog, mist and more.  Most people asking about seeing Mount Everest through a telescope have never actually experimented with one themselves or else would already know that visibility gets progressively more distorted the further you zoom until nothing can be discernibly resolved.  There are also of course hills, mountains, buildings, trees and innumerable other objects in the way obstructing any possible view to Mount Everest.

If you stand on the beach, a plain or prairie, you will find the horizon extends about three to six miles around you depending on the weather and your eyesight. The range of the human eye, our field of vision is from 110 to 1 degree, and the smallest angle under which an object can still be seen is 1/60 of 1 degree, so that when an object is 3000 times its own diameter away from an observer, it will cease to be visible. So for example, the farthest distance at which one can see a 1 inch diameter penny, is 3000 inches, or 250 feet.  With the aid of the best telescopes on the clearest days, we can resolve objects a few hundred times smaller and/or further away, but anything on the scale of seeing Everest from anywhere on Earth is simply not possible.





Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 20, 2022, 04:47:05 pm
GALACTIC GROOMING (why time is running out, for the tourists...)





This channel produces great content and very good videos





47 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWH7tEkg7xc
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 22, 2022, 06:57:56 am
Jack Parsons and Esoteric Templar Science - ROBERT SEPEHR



Jack Parsons was an American rocket engineer, chemist, and occultist. Associated with the California Institute of Technology, Parsons was one of the principal founders of both the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the Aerojet Engineering Corporation.





24 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYIMPpzvbU
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 27, 2022, 03:26:28 pm
Why is Earth the Only Flat Planet?






3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5UvtaFE-0k






Another common question posed by Globe Earthers is, "if the Earth is flat, then why are all the other planets round?"  To begin with, the Earth is a plane, not a planet, and by simply adding a "t" on the end modern astronomers have linguistically transformed our Earth plane into a globe spun around the Sun. 


The word "round" is also deceiving, because most Flat Earthers would agree that the Earth is round like a coin, just not round like a ball.  When making this argument online, Globe Earthers will often present a picture of the traditional heliocentric model with eight spherical planets and a Flat Earth among them floating in space. 


This entire concept is a strawman, however, as no Flat Earthers believe in a flat planet floating in space third from the Sun in a heliocentric solar system.   In NASA's many CGI depictions the planets do indeed appear spherical, but when looking at them for yourself through a telescope or super-zoom camera, it is certainly contestable whether or not the planets are spherical.  Every time I have personally observed the planets they look like small, relatively flat, round lights and nothing like huge spherical terra firma worlds. 


Only in NASA and other "official" space agency footage do the planets appear like three-dimensional globular worlds; in amateur footage they look more like two-dimensional lights, similar to all the other stars.  In fact, before they were called "planets," the ancients referred to them as "wandering stars" because they only differed from the other "fixed stars" in their relative motions. 


They each have their own unique appearance, but none of them look like spherical worlds, even Saturn which appears more like a circular luminary with a halo of light around it.   Ultimately, however, it is completely irrelevant what shape the other planets are when looking to prove the shape of the Earth.  Modern astronomers constantly repeat this red herring that I have dubbed the "appeal to the sky" fallacy. 


Imagine inviting a contractor over to your house to measure the dimensions of your floor and instead they immediately get out their tape-measure and start measuring all the recessed lights in the ceiling!  This is exactly what Globe Earthers are doing by claiming to provide scientific proof for the shape of the Earth under our feet by looking at lights in the sky over our head. 


Like magicians distracting you with one hand while fooling you with the other, globe apologists when asked for empirical, measurable proof of the shape of the Earth beneath their feet, invariably inevitably instead turn their noses up to the sky and start talking about the shape of things up there.  But even if all the other planets really were spheres, what on Earth does that have to do with the shape of the Earth?
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 27, 2022, 11:27:31 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ep829C4sA
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 30, 2022, 10:11:19 pm
HOW ROME HID THE FATHER & SON BEFORE THE HE-LIE-O-SIN-TRICK MODEL.




This is by far the most important and challenging subject we've ever covered. There is no way to cover everything with one video, so I only included the basics. I have been researching this topic for over 20 years, but I continue to learn more and wanted to share the latest things with you all.

I don't want this to cause us to lose fellowship with one another, but I know how angry this will make some of you and understand if you choose to leave.

I highly recommend you watch our series "WHO THEY ARE & WHY THEY LIE" so that you'll better understand what we're up against and who "they" are.






38 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiVBCqI1l_U
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 12, 2022, 01:49:39 pm
The FIRMAMENT | Waters Above?!




Day two is the most overlooked day in creation week. It's important to understand the home/setting that God created for Himself, the angels/spirits and for us. Join me as I explore the overall significance of day two, while also hinting at its eschatological implications nearing the end of the video. #firmament #biblicalcosmology 





15 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uSwFdcnkuw
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 25, 2022, 11:02:08 pm
Greetings, this is just a post to state my conclusions of the earth. I believe the bible is literal in God's descriptions of the earth and cosmos. This means the earth does not move, no rotation and no revolutions around the sun. I don't believe the sun is a star, as well. I believe the sun and moon are the same size and when measured with a sextant, both are about 33 miles in diameter.


The sun and moon are measured and calculated with the sextant to be about 4 to 5 thousand miles above the earth. Without even posting scriptural support for a stationary, extended plane earth with the oceans contained and the continents above sea level, the evidence is clear. I do not believe Antarctica is a continent. The famous experiment in 1887 proves the earth doesn't move.


I think the earth extends beyond the Antarctic Circle for thousands or even tens of thousands of miles. the military and science have likely not been to "the edge" which is not an edge but the firmament, the solid barrier that encloses the earth and cosmos.


They are still sending rockets up and out to attempt to measure the earth and gather data. I have explained in previous posts with great detail, how the "conspiracy" works and WHY the people in control hide the true nature of earth, they are hiding God and creation just for starters. I care about this because untold millions of people have denied God because of the big bang, evolution and certain areas of "science" that are deceptive at minimum.


Cosmology is not science and neither is theoretical physics. Gravity is a force but not as influential as depicted and taught. Only a handful of people at most know the whole truth and are likely acting in positions with permanent, lifelong appointments.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on May 26, 2022, 04:26:25 pm
The Lake Pontchartrain Bridge Shows Earth's Curvature?




There are several photographs and videos of the Louisiana Lake Pontchartrain causeway and transmission lines showing what globe enthusiasts claim to be visual proof of the curvature of the Earth.  In the footage, the bridge and transmission lines, when viewed from a certain angle and height, appear to curve downward as they tend toward the horizon, and this apparent curvature is claimed to be proof of the globe...




4 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4i__Mh30PY
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 01, 2022, 11:02:52 pm
Why are There No Photographs of the Flat Earth?





4 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pV2FBrUWWM



One of the more bizarre and confusing questions frequently asked by globe believers is, "why are there no photographs showing a Flat Earth?"  What they mean by this is why are there no photographs taken from "outer-space" which show the entire flat Earth in one frame similar to how NASA images show the entire globe Earth? 


To begin with, we do not pretend to know how far our Earth plane extends outwards, whether it terminates with an edge, some kind of barrier, or reaches out into infinity, so when globe believers ask this question they are making an assumption that the flat Earth is just some object floating in space similar to the way NASA presents the globe. 


There are many cartoon depictions of such silly flat Earth's floating in space put out by the farcical gate-keepers at The Flat Earth Society and others, but these images do not represent the claims of genuine globe skeptics.  We simply posit that through objective and empirical means the Earth is demonstrably a stationary level plane devoid of any curvature which proves the prevailing globe Earth theory to be scientifically impossible...
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 05, 2022, 08:39:11 pm
"Spacecraft with Wheels": Giga-chariots for the wannabe gods...





37 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIob28zTJAw
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 08, 2022, 11:03:44 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDH6a3TJqpA
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: Magz on June 27, 2022, 02:27:16 am
Did John Lennon know the earth was flat ?


https://youtu.be/1HQIC8yTJhQ

Ezekiel's wheel.

Help, how do I insert pictures ?












Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 27, 2022, 06:43:41 am
Did John Lennon know the earth was flat ?


https://youtu.be/1HQIC8yTJhQ

Ezekiel's wheel.

Help, how do I insert pictures ?
When making a post there's a header above for fonts, colors etc. it's the box in the bottom row second from the left, before the globe icon. Paste the url in between (img) Also, you need to "Copy Image Address" not Copy Image.
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 29, 2022, 09:18:15 am
Earth's Curvature Visible from your Airplane Window?





4 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXebSjdH5G0



When confronted with the question of the shape of the world, many people are quick to assert that they live on a globe because they believe they have personally seen the curvature of the Earth from their airplane window.  Some people even believe when they visit the beach or climb atop a mountain that they are able to see the horizon curve downwards far in the distance.  The reality is, however, that anyone thinking they can see curvature on the horizon from any altitude is suffering from a serious case of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance. 

To begin with, the glass used in all commercial airplane passenger windows is actually round, layered and slightly curved which distorts the edges giving the impression that the horizon and other straight lines curve downwards.  These rounded windows have the effect of evenly distributing pressure and reducing the likelihood of cracks or breaks because they have no corners for stress to concentrate making them better at withstanding pressure.  Unfortunately though, these windows also have the strange side-effect of causing people to believe that the Earth is a globe because they mistake the curvature of the glass for that of the horizon... 
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on June 29, 2022, 11:20:07 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwQJaBGc9Dk
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 05, 2022, 10:36:10 am
What is Above, Below and Beyond the Flat Earth?





4 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qszn9d-NvYQ



Three related questions frequently asked by people first coming across this subject, all of which share similar answers, are what is over, under, and outside of the Flat Earth?  The shortest and most honest answer is that ultimately we don't know what is above, below, and beyond the Earth. 

In reality, globe believers themselves also don't know what exists in the deep recesses of the Earth anymore than they know what exists in the depths of their infinite vacuum space, but they are given definitive answers about both in the form of stories and CGI images by their heliocentric priests. 

As one of their own, Richard Feynman, eloquently stated however: "I would rather have questions that cannot be answered, than answers that cannot be questioned".
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 13, 2022, 12:13:44 pm
Why Does the Moon Appear Upside-Down in the Southern Hemisphere?




Globe defenders often claim that since the Moon appears right-side up when viewed from the Northern Hemisphere and upside-down when viewed from the Southern Hemisphere that this is proof positive of a spherical Earth.  They believe that observers standing in the Southern Hemisphere of their spinning ball are literally upside-down relative to observers in the North, and that this is the only possible reason the Moon could appear inverted when viewed from opposite hemispheres. 

Anyone can easily debunk this flimsy claim for themselves however by simply taping a picture of the Moon to their ceiling and viewing it from opposite sides of the room.  The Moon will appear right-side up when viewed from one end of the room and upside-down when viewed from the other.  There is no need for the entire room to be spherical, nor for observers to be standing physically upside-down relative to one another to explain this simple phenomenon. 

On the Flat Earth model, the Moon as well as the Sun, are always located somewhere between the Tropics spending the majority of their time on or near the equator.  So just like the picture taped in the middle of the room, people viewing from the North will see the Moon appearing right-side up while people viewing from the South will see it appearing upside-down. 

This phenomenon is therefore easily explainable regardless of whether the observers are assumed to be standing upside-down on a ridiculous spinning ball or right-side up on a logical level plane.  Deeper investigation into the matter, however, reveals details that definitively determine which one it is.






5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC9uOyg0eq4
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 15, 2022, 12:43:03 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxgVpXTo9so
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 16, 2022, 10:05:18 pm
ALL THE SCIENTIFIC MARBLES... (Time-travel space cameras vs. the lucrative flat-earth-nazi cult...)




21 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-hqqwvuQA
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 19, 2022, 11:51:25 pm
How do Flights Like Sydney-Santiago Work on Flat Earth?




Another supposed proof often offered up by globe debaters involves alleged time and path issues with long-haul Southern Hemisphere flights.  For example, the direct flight route from Sydney, Australia to Santiago, Chile, takes an average of only 13 hours to reach its destination, a duration which globe Earthers claim is impossible over a flat Earth. 


They say that since the Sydney-Santiago flights with U.S. stop-overs take twice as long to reach their destinations as the non-stop flights, that this proves the direct flights are not traversing the U.S., and could not be completed so quickly over a flat Earth.  As with all globe arguments, however, this hasty conclusion does not follow from their spurious reasoning.





7 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kajiKy06bu0
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 21, 2022, 01:59:35 pm
IF THE ILLUMINATI WROTE THE BIBLE...



This is just a few questions to ask when confronted with the statement that the Bible was created to control us instead of delivering us like it has so many.




5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFnGgjzp_qM
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 27, 2022, 11:24:51 pm
The Portals of Heaven (And What Comes Out of Them) (Book of Enoch Explained) [Chapters 33-36]



In the final section before Enoch's Parables, we take a look at the portals of heaven that Enoch sees and discuss what they might've been. In some ideas, where Enoch sees 'stars', it might be said that he was seeing 'angels' (stars being something of a metaphor for angels). With this, some have theorised that the angels used these portals as means of transport, hence why Enoch speaks of them.





12 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m-LmguOEAo
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on July 30, 2022, 11:21:22 pm
PBS & NAT GEO EXPOSED FOR FAKING THE CURVE BY TABOO CONSPIRACY



After seeing the PBS video resurfacing on other social media platforms, I decided it was time to upload Ben's breakdown of this footage.




5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gMnQBhS64E
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 01, 2022, 05:45:41 am
How MANY Worlds, does the Bible teach..?



CBS News Special: The Week In Space, June 3, 1966 (Gemini IX space walk simulation -




36 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJh0xk_dFxw
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 08, 2022, 10:49:52 am
Flights that prove flat earth.



*** Important thing to note *** we still use radar to track planes and ships. Radar does not work over the southern oceans or polar regions. If a glober tells you that a flight over the southern ocean proves the globe, it CANNOT be proven! Funny enough, the only flights that globers claim to prove the globe, are in dead zones. Watch the comments below, at least one glober will parrot a flight over the southern ocean. Funny little guys lol.




3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nFiH1me-kg
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 16, 2022, 09:30:38 am
Why are There No Flat Earth Whistle-Blowers?



When confronted with objective, demonstrable, empirical proof that Earth is not a fantastical tilting, wobbling, spinning space-ball, one sticking point that globe defenders consistently revert back to is, if the evidence flat Earthers are presenting is true, then why has there not been a single whistle-blower to come forward and expose this mother of all conspiracies?  How is it possible that not one of the hundreds of thousands of people that NASA has employed over the decades has come forward and admitted the hoax? 

What about the Russians, the Chinese, the Japanese and all the other government space agencies along with SpaceX, Virgin Galactic, Blue Origin and other corporate space enterprises?  If Earth is not a globe and we never went to the Moon, why haven't these governments or corporations tattletaled on each other and exposed this massive lie to the masses?





8 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFfSDrJeb0c
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 23, 2022, 10:00:22 am
How Can Ushuaia Get 17 Hours of Daylight on a Flat Earth?




During December every year Ushuaia, Argentina, the southern-most city in the world, just below the 54th southern latitude receives over 17 hours of daylight with a maximum of 17 hours and 20 minutes occurring on the Winter Solstice.  Globe Earthers often claim this would be impossible on a flat Earth arguing that a local, revolving, spotlight Sun should not be able to illuminate such a southern location for so long...





5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqr02ZmqRbQ
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 31, 2022, 12:42:17 am
Why isn't Polaris Visible from Australia?




Globe Earthers are taught the reason that the North Pole Star cannot be seen from southern locations like Australia or New Zealand is because it is hidden behind the supposed curvature of their globular Earth.  Similar to what is taught about boats disappearing beyond the horizon, they claim these boats and the Pole Star are disappearing behind the physical curvature of a globe, and insist if the Earth was truly a stationary plane that Australians should have no trouble viewing Polaris... 





4 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_RceH0-hSk
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on August 31, 2022, 04:07:54 pm
IT'S A WONDERFUL LIE




2 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rubmUrxrE4c
Title: Re: Biblical Flat Earth and Cosmos
Post by: patrick jane on April 13, 2023, 05:18:58 am
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Biblical Cosmology

We'll get into "science" after this first few posts.


The Ancient Conflict : According to scripture we are all born into a spiritual war. It's an invisible war and it's not broadcast on the evening news. The vast majority of people are oblivious to this.

When the serpent entered the garden and tempted Eve and hence, Adam, to disobey God and as a result, sin and death entered the flat earth and put a curse on humanity. Some time after when mankind continued to populate the earth, the first full assault on humanity was launched.

It could be likened to an alien invasion except these fallen entities didn't come from a distant galaxy or some far off star "system". They descended from above (hard to do on a globe), and together they conspired to abandon their assigned posts in the firmament. Where the ether carried their luminescence to the Four Corners of the earth.

These watcher angels had fallen from their first estate which God set for them (scriptural proof available for all of my Biblical references). They came down and began a sort of colonization or campaign. They sired the Nephilum, their hybrid abomination offspring, who ravaged the land and fed on men. They corrupted the genetics of humanity, animals and plants.

Using the knowledge they had been given by God to perform their original tasks in the heavens, they proceeded to teach mankind many forbidden things. In order to civilize man and equip them to build cities and kingdoms where these fallen angelic beings could rule as gods.

The knowledge bestowed to mankind was presented as being "keys" to enlightenment and the know-how to eventually take our seats beside them as gods, through "technology". These were all lies bringing nothing but destruction, perversion, wickedness and death. God finally became so grieved by man's evil and wickedness and the corruption of His creation He chose to destroy the earth with water and begin again.

Sparing one worthy family and the animals that they took. When the water receded the earth had been cleansed from the evil that was destroying it. God promised Noah that He would never again destroy with water and set a rainbow in the sky as a sign of this covenant. The great empires of the watchers had been erased.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R-a4DmXcAw

The angels that conspired against God were banished to the deepest bowels of the earth, held there in darkness until the time of the final judgement of all things. But no sooner than the earth started filling again with trees and plants and animals etc., and mankind was multiplying in the earth again did the enemy start working seeking to rebuild what God destroyed.

satan's beloved empire whose sole purpose was the destruction and enslavement of mankind. But no longer did the enemy have the power to send his minions to the earth to take wives and build cities. No longer could they walk among men and be revered. The satanic kingdom now had to be done though the worshiping of invisible deities forced to orchestrate their rule through interdimensional communication.

Since God had bound them behind a spiritual veil, once again forbidden knowledge was spread among these newly formed nations. So in the courts of all the human kingdoms worked a host of occult priesthoods, sorcerers, mediums, astrologers and practitioners of divination.

People started sacrificing to these false idols to show their loyalty to the false gods, building temples, having orgies and such. The rebellion against God resumed as Nimrod attempted and failed to build a tower into the heavens and throughout all of the kingdoms of the earth the languages were confused by God.

After centuries go by and the wickedness and occult and pagan practices were increasing, God chose to intervene again.




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The Conspiracy That Is Not
I will create a spoiler to contain this post but for now, this is a basic and short explanation of why there is no huge conspiracy with flat earth. Number one is nobody believes flat earth.

Just an update. I have a lot to cover with this subject and hopefully the first dozen posts give a good overview of Biblical Flat Earth. I haven't gotten to the scriptures yest but I will. Please look at the post at the top of this page also.

The biggest question people have and the biggest reason they will not research flat earth is because they think millions or at least tens of thousands of people would have to be "in on it" - Not so. Only 24 people are alleged to have ever been high enough to see a globe from space. Most are deceased. 24 people and whoever might have seen REAL ACTUAL IMAGES.

Conspiracies work on levels, layers. Like an onion. Everybody already believes in a globe so it's not hard to keep something a secret. Pilots don't go high enough, satellite employees and contractors each do individual things with no knowledge of what they do in fake space.

The calculations and specifications are set to a globe because that's how they set them. They can easily use the same mathematics in flat earth. They don't know. GPS employees and Direct TV employees don't know. None of the above mentioned people CAN know.

So who is left? Lifetime appointed military and intelligence people and very few I would imagine. No temporary employee politicians will ever know. Trump has no clue. Perhaps certain world leaders and powerful men have know.

Even Einstein had no clue. No picture until 1972 and that's the ONLY one. Make sense? The point is that this is NOT a massive conspiracy involving millions of people that either lie or are just to stupid to know they are being duped.

Think about this. The globe only exists in your mind. No real images exist. Cartoons. CGI. Photo Shop. Artist drawings. Digital Creations. Outer Space is only in the movies and TV. You have NEVER seen it but by looking at the sky. Billions of people are in love with fake space pictures and propaganda. The globe in only in your imagination.

Imagine that the Holy Bible is true and that we are the center and focus of God's creation. We are in an enclosed flat earth and cosmos with a dome firmament above. Exactly like the Bible says. If you research the history of the occult and how it became science and the history of controlled cosmology and all of the numerous connections you'll see what I see. 8 months so far.


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