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Title: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 13, 2021, 06:37:43 am
Parables of Jesus...salt.

Matthew 5...13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt should lose its taste, how can it be made salty? It’s no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled on by men.

The salt of the earth…
   Salt is an interesting nutrient.  It can both heal and kill or make ill. It is a preservative and at the same time gives flavor to that which it is added.  Salt is good for your brain, your heart, your muscles, your oral health, water balance, and digestion.  It cleanses, is antibacterial, and has antiseptic qualities.  So when Jesus uses the term, “you are the salt of the earth”, there is a lot that goes into the statement that can easily be overlooked in a rush to understand His intended meaning.
   In Exodus 19:26 we see that incense was to be made and to that was added salt.  This incense was both pure and holy and not to be used for any purpose but to offer it to God.  Salt was even to be mixed with grain offerings. (Leviticus 2) There is also a covenant of salt talked about in scripture (Numbers 18:19; II Chronicles 13:5)  In Deuteronomy 29:23 the burning waste of sulfur and salt is a representation of God’s anger.  We see salt referring to healing in II Kings 2:19-21 and Ezekiel 16:4.  Mark 9:49 offers an interesting comment about how everyone will be salted with fire.  And then goes on to talk about what if salt loses its flavor.  (Mark 9:49 (HCSB) 49 For everyone will be salted with fire. 50 Salt is good, but if the salt should lose its flavor, how can you make it salty? Have salt among yourselves and be at peace with one another.”)  It is hard to understand how something salted with fire can lose its flavor but maybe the answer to this riddle is at the end of the verse where we are told that salt should lead us to be at peace with one another.  One of the common uses for salt in Biblical days was that it was an indication of fine food.  IOW’s when one was sharing in the dining experience with a friend they used salt on their food thus it was sort of like a symbol of friendship.  Job 6:6 also talks about the flavor of salt as does Luke 14:34.  Even the Roman soldiers were paid in salt since salt was so valuable to society.
   Two additional things  I think will help our understanding of the parable of the salt are found in how it informs our understanding of covenant and speech.  As a covenant, salt, because of its preservative nature symbolizes the binding nature of a covenant whereas as a seasoning, it symbolizes friendship and community.  It is a picture of that which preserves combined with compassion.  The Strong’s online Bible dictionary talks about salt representing wisdom with grace when it comes to our speech.  In fact, James 3:12 talks about salt in relation to our language.  We are told about the need to tame the tongue.  Some of the characteristics of that are 1. We cannot change ourselves  2. Wisdom and understanding are shown in how we conduct our lives and with the wisdom and gentleness, we show.  3.  It requires an examination of self and a refusal to deny things that linger in the old man like bragging, envy, and selfish ambitions.  In fact, these things bring disorder and evil and God wants order not chaos. (I Corinthians 14:40; I Corinthians 14:33; Colossians 2:5)  The wisdom that should be the salt of our speech is that which is pure, peace-loving, gentle, full of mercy and good fruit, not showing favoritism or hypocrisy.  I especially like James 3:18 (HCSB) 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who cultivate peace.  Peace and righteousness go hand in hand, especially when talking about how we are to live as salt to the world.
   Another passage of interest in learning what the parable of the salt means is found in Colossians 4:2-6.  From this passage, we can learn that being salt to or in the world involves devoting ourselves to prayer, staying alert with thanksgiving, praying that the door would be opened to share the gospel.  We see that acting wisely comes back up as we are to act wisely to outsiders, making the most of the time we have.  Our speech once again is to be gracious and ready to give an answer.  (I Peter 3:15; Proverbs 15:28; Proverbs 22:21; Colossians 4:6; II Timothy 2:25)
   In Matthew 5 we see Jesus speaking to a crowd of people.  His message is that of the famous beatitudes.  Immediately after He gives this parable...Matthew 5:13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt should lose its taste, how can it be made salty? It’s no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled on by men.  The audience listening would have been very familiar with the uses for salt as well as their significance to the law and sacrifices.  When we consider that salt is a preservative and that the gospel message of Christ preserves life through salvation, it would seem logical that one of the aspects of being the salt of the world is that of preaching the gospel message of Christ but as a seasoning shared in friendship, it is a message that should be shared with compassion, grace, wisdom, and grace. 
   What happens then when we fail in this calling to be the salt of the earth, those who seek peace?  We are no longer useful.  (II Corinthians 5:20; II Corinthians 6:1; Ephesians 6:20; Malachi 2:1-9)  We are the ambassadors for Christ and thus living a life that exemplifies that in the world is our duty here on earth.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on May 13, 2021, 11:01:44 am
Did I miss it?

I read it fast, so if I missed it please point me back to where you answered the question he posed?

"If salt loses it's saltiness, can it be made salty again?"  He seemed to be saying 'no.'  It becomes no good-- throw it out...

 It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.

Do you agree or disagree?  And what was he talking about exactly? 

https://youtu.be/OgtQj8O92eI
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 13, 2021, 12:12:11 pm
Did I miss it?

I read it fast, so if I missed it please point me back to where you answered the question he posed?

"If salt loses it's saltiness, can it be made salty again?"  He seemed to be saying 'no.'  It becomes no good-- throw it out...

 It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.

Do you agree or disagree?  And what was he talking about exactly? 

https://youtu.be/OgtQj8O92eI
  What happens then when we fail in this calling to be the salt of the earth, those who seek peace?  We are no longer useful.  (II Corinthians 5:20; II Corinthians 6:1; Ephesians 6:20; Malachi 2:1-9)  We are the ambassadors for Christ and thus living a life that exemplifies that in the world is our duty here on earth.

I also realized I didn't talk about how one becomes useless so I am working on that part, starting with the parable of the sower and moving on from there, then I will be looking into being the light...

and yes, I believe what scripture says.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on May 13, 2021, 03:15:08 pm
I think you nailed it Lori.

It's not so much about "saltiness" per se, as it is about "usefulness" -for what good is salt that is no longer salty?  It's value, is in it's purpose.

In the passage/parable you reference Jesus is clearly pointing at the law of Moses as that thing that lost it's value and is no longer worth anything (except to be trod upon).  Similarly Paul, as you note in 2 Corinthians is referencing our earthly tents as that thing that once worn out are no longer of value.  We can talk a great deal about the purpose and properties of salt, but that's sidestepping the actual subject matter of each reference in favor of those characteristics that we all recognize as what gives "salt" it's value.

The conversation includes salt, but goes much deeper and beyond salt. 
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: patrick jane on May 13, 2021, 04:51:12 pm
Ground pepper
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 14, 2021, 12:07:47 pm
I think you nailed it Lori.

It's not so much about "saltiness" per se, as it is about "usefulness" -for what good is salt that is no longer salty?  It's value, is in it's purpose.

In the passage/parable you reference Jesus is clearly pointing at the law of Moses as that thing that lost it's value and is no longer worth anything (except to be trod upon).
where do you get that it is talking about the law of Moses when it talks about the disciples being the salt?  If the disciples are the salt of the earth, are they the law?
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Similarly Paul, as you note in 2 Corinthians is referencing our earthly tents as that thing that once worn out are no longer of value.  We can talk a great deal about the purpose and properties of salt, but that's sidestepping the actual subject matter of each reference in favor of those characteristics that we all recognize as what gives "salt" it's value.
actually, I would say that it is the purpose for which God created man that gives us our value, but that goes back to why or how you see the disciples being salt is actually the law of Moses being the salt...I'm anxious to have you unravel this mystery for me.
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The conversation includes salt, but goes much deeper and beyond salt.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 14, 2021, 12:08:50 pm
Ground pepper
salt, pepper and garlic are our go to spices...can't forget the garlic.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on May 14, 2021, 12:12:16 pm
You read the passage you are pointing to right?

What is it about?  No mystery.  It's about the law.  The whole section.

Jesus is teaching that the law is NOT the preservative, the seasoning, the cure or the thing of value.

YOU ARE.

 13 “You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how 6 can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
 14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a 7 hill cannot be hidden; 15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a 8 basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16 “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
 17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not 9 the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches 10 others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever 11 keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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 21 “You have heard that 12 the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be 13 liable to the court.’ 22 “But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be 14 guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘15 You good-for-nothing,’ shall be 16 guilty before 17 the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be 18 guilty enough to go into the 19 fiery hell. 23 “Therefore if you are presenting your 20 offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your 21 offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your 22 offering. 25 “Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 “Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last 23 cent.
 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 “If your right eye makes you 24 stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you 25 to lose one of the parts of your body, 26 than for your whole body to be thrown into 27 hell. 30 “If your right hand makes you 28 stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you 29 to lose one of the parts of your body, 30 than for your whole body to go into 31 hell.
 31 “It was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who 32 divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a 33 divorced woman commits adultery.
 33 “Again, you have heard that 34 the ancients were told, ‘35 YOU SHALL NOT 36 MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR 37 VOWS TO THE LORD.’ 34 “But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or 38 by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36 “Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 “But let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is 39 of evil.
 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39 “But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 “If anyone wants to sue you and take your 40 shirt, let him have your 41 coat also. 41 “Whoever 42 forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 “Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44 “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may 43 be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 “For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 “If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 “Therefore 44 you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 14, 2021, 03:04:55 pm
You read the passage you are pointing to right?

What is it about?  No mystery.  It's about the law.  The whole section.

Jesus is teaching that the law is NOT the preservative, the seasoning, the cure or the thing of value.

YOU ARE.

 13 “You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how 6 can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
 14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a 7 hill cannot be hidden; 15 nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a 8 basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16 “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
 17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not 9 the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches 10 others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever 11 keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Personal Relationships
 21 “You have heard that 12 the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be 13 liable to the court.’ 22 “But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be 14 guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘15 You good-for-nothing,’ shall be 16 guilty before 17 the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be 18 guilty enough to go into the 19 fiery hell. 23 “Therefore if you are presenting your 20 offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your 21 offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your 22 offering. 25 “Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 “Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last 23 cent.
 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 “If your right eye makes you 24 stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you 25 to lose one of the parts of your body, 26 than for your whole body to be thrown into 27 hell. 30 “If your right hand makes you 28 stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you 29 to lose one of the parts of your body, 30 than for your whole body to go into 31 hell.
 31 “It was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who 32 divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a 33 divorced woman commits adultery.
 33 “Again, you have heard that 34 the ancients were told, ‘35 YOU SHALL NOT 36 MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR 37 VOWS TO THE LORD.’ 34 “But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or 38 by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36 “Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 “But let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is 39 of evil.
 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39 “But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 “If anyone wants to sue you and take your 40 shirt, let him have your 41 coat also. 41 “Whoever 42 forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 “Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44 “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may 43 be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 “For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 “If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 “Therefore 44 you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
actually He is teaching the beatitudes....are the beatitudes the Law of Moses in your way of thinking? He taught the beatitudes then pulled the disciples aside and said, "YOU are the salt of the world"...what part of that says the law to you?  When did the disciples become the Law of Moses?
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on May 14, 2021, 03:12:44 pm
Following this discussion
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on May 14, 2021, 04:39:11 pm
Please do follow along Chappy-- and feel free to chime in.  Lori can't seem to find any mention of the Law in Matthew 5.

Maybe you will have better luck.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on May 15, 2021, 11:44:32 am
In teaching what we have come to call 'the beatitudes' he is presenting ideas that create a contrast between those ideas and the things the people have been taught.  He presents all the 'Blessed are...' statements and then he immediately launches into an exposé on the law of Moses and in doing so he is incriminating those experts in the law that he mentions- the Scribes and Pharisees who were viewed as the top of the heap in all things religious.  They were the lawyers and judges-- think in terms of the judicial system, and more!  From the perspective of the Jewish people living under this system, those same leaders were also law enforcement in the most literal sense of the term.  They kept the law, administered it, enforced it, interpreted it, added to it when they saw fit, judged using it, sentenced with it and upheld it to the fullest.  And, though the people including those leaders were under Roman rule, it was these religious leaders who controlled society wielding religious authority as granted by Rome to maintain order.  In exchange Rome propped up their power and it was through the temple organization that taxes were collected and with every exchange of dollars political influence increased and corruption abounded.  That's just how it works.  That's how it worked then, and that's how it works now.  Money, bankers, politics, lawyers, judges, law enforcement, and religion.

Jesus come along and draws a distinction....it's NOT the law, or keeping the law, or administering the law, or making laws that make you right before God.  It's not riches or power that demonstrate whom the Father has blessed...

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
 “Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
“Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.


You are the salt...   the law is NOT the salt.  Those scribes and Pharisees are not the salt.

You are the light...  the law is NOT the light.  Those scribes and Pharisees are not the light.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 15, 2021, 03:17:40 pm
Please do follow along Chappy-- and feel free to chime in.  Lori can't seem to find any mention of the Law in Matthew 5.

Maybe you will have better luck.
Be careful...I did NOT say that the law was NOT mentioned, I DID say that the parable of the salt is directed at the disciples being the salt of the earth, not the law as you ascribed to.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 15, 2021, 03:21:22 pm
In teaching what we have come to call 'the beatitudes' he is presenting ideas that create a contrast between those ideas and the things the people have been taught.  He presents all the 'Blessed are...' statements and then he immediately launches into an exposé on the law of Moses and in doing so he is incriminating those experts in the law that he mentions- the Scribes and Pharisees who were viewed as the top of the heap in all things religious.  They were the lawyers and judges-- think in terms of the judicial system, and more!  From the perspective of the Jewish people living under this system, those same leaders were also law enforcement in the most literal sense of the term.  They kept the law, administered it, enforced it, interpreted it, added to it when they saw fit, judged using it, sentenced with it and upheld it to the fullest.  And, though the people including those leaders were under Roman rule, it was these religious leaders who controlled society wielding religious authority as granted by Rome to maintain order.  In exchange Rome propped up their power and it was through the temple organization that taxes were collected and with every exchange of dollars political influence increased and corruption abounded.  That's just how it works.  That's how it worked then, and that's how it works now.  Money, bankers, politics, lawyers, judges, law enforcement, and religion.

Jesus come along and draws a distinction....it's NOT the law, or keeping the law, or administering the law, or making laws that make you right before God.  It's not riches or power that demonstrate whom the Father has blessed...

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
 “Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
“Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.


You are the salt...   the law is NOT the salt.  Those scribes and Pharisees are not the salt.

You are the light...  the law is NOT the light.  Those scribes and Pharisees are not the light.
At the end of this you said the exact same thing I did but then argue with me over what I said????  Why? What does that gain you?  The parable of the sower is calling the disciples the salt of the earth, not the law as you claimed above.  So what are you disagreeing with me about if you think that the law is not the salt...you are making no sense at all.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on May 15, 2021, 07:50:54 pm
Be careful?  lol  okay.

Lori

Where did I disagree with you?  What I said was- "I think you nailed it Lori."

You have an argumentative spirit.  That is your nature.  This observation too, you will argue against.  It's okay, I'm used to it and expect nothing but.

My whole point was in agreement with you.  Nowhere did I say (as you've twice now insisted) that the law was the salt.  I said the opposite, so you can cool yer jets or continue on your merry way- did you actually want a discussion and folks to contribute to it, or would you rather not? I'm happy to oblige.

It's one thing to understand what he said and another to understand why he said it.  If you miss the contrast he casts between those humble in spirit, pure in heart, gentle and so on versus those law experts, you miss the purpose of the parable.

Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: patrick jane on May 15, 2021, 08:07:48 pm
 8)
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: patrick jane on May 15, 2021, 11:39:22 pm
Franklin Graham reacts to Biden omitting 'God' from National Day of Prayer



Biden is the first president to omit the word God from proclamation; Reverend and Samaritan's Purse President weighs in


5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsz0NBaA0lk
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: patrick jane on May 15, 2021, 11:43:48 pm
Franklin Graham reacts to Biden omitting 'God' from National Day of Prayer



Biden is the first president to omit the word God from proclamation; Reverend and Samaritan's Purse President weighs in


5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsz0NBaA0lk
Unreal. :'(
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 17, 2021, 08:10:57 am
Be careful?  lol  okay.

Lori

Where did I disagree with you?  What I said was- "I think you nailed it Lori."

You have an argumentative spirit.  That is your nature.  This observation too, you will argue against.  It's okay, I'm used to it and expect nothing but.

My whole point was in agreement with you.  Nowhere did I say (as you've twice now insisted) that the law was the salt.  I said the opposite, so you can cool yer jets or continue on your merry way- did you actually want a discussion and folks to contribute to it, or would you rather not? I'm happy to oblige.

It's one thing to understand what he said and another to understand why he said it.  If you miss the contrast he casts between those humble in spirit, pure in heart, gentle and so on versus those law experts, you miss the purpose of the parable.
I objected to you saying that parable of the salt wasss about the law when as I pointed out Jesus called the disciples salt not the law and asked you to prove the salt was the law...if you were not trying to say the salt was the law then all you had to do was say I misunderstood what your point was...but you see, by you ignoring my question about where you see Jesus calling the law salt, you are the one who is asking for argument...but no matter, I will take the blame even if it does NOT fit, it's called love.

Now back to point.  When I say I am looking at it bit by bit, it means that we are not yet to the point about the law.  We haven't even talked about the disciples being the light of the world yet and what that means.  So in effect you are asking me to ignore my study to look deeper into the parables in exchange for arguing with you over the law.  If you want to talk about the law, start a thread and invite me...if you want to talk about how the parable in question addresses the law, start a thread and invite me.  We will get to the rest of the passage, but when I say bit by bit I mean I am digging deeper into it and am presenting what I find a little at a time so we can discuss the deeper things as they come up...at this point, the law has not come into the study at all.

So if I am argumentative by asking you to show me where Jesus calling the disciples the salt is Him calling the law the salt, then tell me what it is that you want to discuss that is off topic of the construct of the thread so I am at least on board with what it is you are trying to argue with me over.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 17, 2021, 09:12:37 am
against my better judgment since there is so much controversy over who is the salt of the earth, here is the next BIT

When I study quickly like I am doing here and then go back over it, I find things I missed that I want to add it, one of those was who can lose their saltiness, the parable of the sower seemed to be the best choice for this answer and I put it here for review.  There is much much more in this parable but I think it best to circle back to it as we make our way through the parables and so this part is solely about who fits into the group of the salt of the earth and nothing more.





    How does one lose their saltiness?  If we look at the parable of the sower, (Matthew 13:1-30) we see four different kinds of people.  The four groups of people are 1. Those that hear the word of God, His call on their lives but reject it.  In essence, the unbelievers.  This group would not apply to the disciples and thus we will circle back to it when we really dig into this parable.  The second group is those that hear God’s calling on their lives and believe but are not watered or rooted in the word thus quickly die.  It could be argued that Judas fit this category but in light of this passage, Luke 22:3 and John 13:27 it seems more likely to me that Judas fit into the third group.  3. This is the group that believes and grows but is thrown by every difficult situation.  These are those that trouble pulls away from the faith through worry and the belief that God wants to make all their life a bed of roses.  In Matthew 13:36-43 we see that it is the troubles that are sown by the evil one...which is why it is vitally important for the believer to know the schemes of satan and how to combat them, to know how scripture says to avoid being deceived, and to continue to grow in the faith (trust) of God by building their trust muscle according to God’s word.  It is when we fail in these things that we too can lose our saltiness and thus become worthless.  The last group, 4. Are those that remain faithful and growing in faith.



    Now just a quick side note. Jesus is definitely speaking to the disciples in the parable of the salt but I believe from context and totality of scripture it is referring to all true believers thus these words of causation should be taken seriously by all of us.  More to come on this great parable as we move through the parables.  There are some great things in this that we should talk about and incorporate into our daily lives.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 17, 2021, 04:17:56 pm
Light of the world…
Matthew 5:14 “You are the light of the world. A city situated on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 No one lights a lamp and puts it under a basket, but rather on a lampstand, and it gives light for all who are in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine[c] before men, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven.

   When I first began to look into the parable of the Light of the World, I thought it would go one way and in fact, it went a totally different direction from what I expected.  So let’s first touch base on what light in scripture means.  The first thing we want to talk about is that Jesus is the light.  This is the most important part of this parable and we will go into more details about that in a moment.  (John 8:12; John 1:4; John 12:46; John 5:26; Luke 2:32; Isaiah 42:6; I John 2:8; Acts 26:23; II Corinthians 4:6; John 1) When we follow Him, we are walking in the light rather than the darkness. (John 8:12; Romans 13:12) The problem is that man likes darkness more than he likes light. (Job 24:13-16; John 3:19-21)  As we follow Christ, we become children of light and as such need to walk as if we are. (Ephesians 5:8)
   Light exposes what is hidden in darkness. (Luke 8:17; Matthew 10:26; Mark 4:22; Luke 12:2; Proverbs 20:27) Light also keeps us from stumbling.  (Job 12:25)  Light is also a guide. (Psalm 43:3; Psalms 119:105)  But light also gives us understanding to those without experience.(Psalms 119; 130)  Interestingly enough, teaching can and is also a light.  (Proverbs 6:23)   Light is so important to our world and to our walk with Christ and can only be found in Christ.
   So what then is Jesus telling the disciples in Matthew 5:14-16 when He calls them the light of the world?  Well, first, He is calling them His followers, those that are reflecting His light to others.  This is important because as we see in John 9:5, Jesus was not always going to be here on this earth to shine the light into the darkness thus showing men (both Jew and Gentile) the way of salvation.  Thus the disciples were to become the sons of the light. (John 12:36) {again, where Jesus is directly speaking to the disciples I do believe this teaching is for us today as well}
   Matthew 5:14-16 starts out by calling the disciples the light of the world. As we just saw in John 9:5 it was an important job that Jesus would not be able to continue to do on this earth, He needed ambassadors to continue the work.  (II Corinthians 5:20; Colossians 1:24)  If salvation was going to be made available for all people, someone needed to show those in the darkness how to live in the light.  They became the city on the hill, the picture of Zion yet to come. (Isaiah 62:1) 
   Then Jesus explains why His light is within the true believers, why they are given the Holy Spirit.  Because light is used to give all men (and women) guidance, to keep them from stumbling, and to reveal what is hidden in the darkness so that they too can live in the light of Christ.  The early church was a persecuted church.  They needed the power of the Holy Spirit to live out the light that they had been given by Christ as sons of God.  So in order to live in the power of the Holy Spirit as a light to the world, the disciples had to allow themselves to live out the truth openly (II Corinthians 4:1-11) by renouncing hidden things, give up dishonesty, to avoid walking in the craftiness, not handle the word of God deceitfully, and to manifest the truth in the sight of God.  They live in open display of the truth through knowledge of God’s glory in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ.  It was by giving themselves over to death, that they were able to show the light that brings life.  They were focused on the unseen rather than the seen, the eternal rather than the temporal and in that, they became the light to the world.  They were to be the light to the house of Israel as well as the Gentiles.  In living in the light, they were showing the good works of Christ that others might give glory to God as well.
   The light comes from our hearts, (Matthew 6:21-23) so they were to proclaim this light not only in good works, not just in enduring persecution but in how they lived what they taught, with boldness.  They needed to guard themselves from the darkness that might be hidden. (Luke 11:34-36; II Corinthians 11:14)   It was a life that was to be lived in boldness. (I Corinthians 4:5)  There is so much more we can talk about when talking of the light, but let us touch on two last things,  Frist the fruit of the light is goodness, righteousness, and truth, (Ephesians 5:9) it is also justice. (Isaiah 51:4)  Finally, let us talk about why living as a light to the world is so important.   Consider what Habakkuk 3:4 tells us about the light of God.  Habakkuk 3:4 (HCSB) His brilliance is like light; rays are flashing from His hand. This is where His power is hidden.  The power of God is hidden within the light of Christ. A light that is available to all true believers.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on May 18, 2021, 11:05:09 am
Thank you for deciding to love me rather than argue.  I think that if you abide in love, we could have a good discussion- but you'll have to resist the urge to take offense at everything I say.  It's not "IF" I wasn't trying to say the salt was the law....  It's SINCE I didn't say that.  You are correct in saying that you objected to me saying the parable was ABOUT the law.  It is.  -And that's what you objected to. It's about the law and yes, those who follow the law and keep the law and administer the law VERSUS those he was speaking to-- his followers.  If you miss the fact that he is casting a stark contrast, you miss the whole point.  -Kind of important.

I objected to you saying that parable of the salt wasss about the law when as I pointed out Jesus called the disciples salt not the law and asked you to prove the salt was the law...if you were not trying to say the salt was the law then all you had to do was say I misunderstood what your point was...but you see, by you ignoring my question about where you see Jesus calling the law salt, you are the one who is asking for argument...but no matter, I will take the blame even if it does NOT fit, it's called love.

What Jesus is saying-- if you want to review those Beatitudes again, is that the law just ain't good enough.  It ain't tough enough... doesn't go nearly far enough. He is instructing his disciples (beyond the twelve-- all who claim to follow his teachings) that following all the rules and regulations are fine and good, but to what end?  You can follow every jot and tittle--- in modern vernacular- 'dot every i, and cross every t' and keep every point of the law to the finest detail and it's worth nothing, because you have a rotten, stinkin' attitude.  You can never sleep with another person, yet still be an adulterer because you lust in your heart.  You can never kill or strike another person, but still be a murderer because you are full of hate-- DESPITE keeping the law and all it's ordinances.  His point is the law is inadequate.  The haughty Pharisees are the proof--- they major in every minor point and fail where it counts-- in their heart.

You (followers of mine) are the salt.... not them.  So too you followers of mine are the light... not them, he taught.  Elsewhere he called them blind guides leading the blind again in contrast to those who have that spirit of God that the Father gives- that holy spirit called the word of the Father within them.  As you quoted from Ps 119-- 'Thy word is the lamp unto my feet and the light unto my path' and the word of the Father that became flesh in him is the same word that becomes flesh in the soil of every man (here is where the sower parable comes to life)  "I am the light" he said... "You are the light" he also said.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 18, 2021, 11:35:08 am
Thank you for deciding to love me rather than argue.  I think that if you abide in love, we could have a good discussion- but you'll have to resist the urge to take offense at everything I say.  It's not "IF" I wasn't trying to say the salt was the law....  It's SINCE I didn't say that.  You are correct in saying that you objected to me saying the parable was ABOUT the law.  It is.  -And that's what you objected to. It's about the law and yes, those who follow the law and keep the law and administer the law VERSUS those he was speaking to-- his followers.  If you miss the fact that he is casting a stark contrast, you miss the whole point.  -Kind of important.
sometimes, I worry that I am misunderstanding someone that continues to insist on one thing when I have asked them to clarify, like when I asked you to point out where salt was referring to the law and you insisted on talking about the law beyond the parameters of the OP...so when I can, I ask my husband or son (whoever is available) to tell me what I missed in the poster's post...this time I asked my husband and he understood you the exact same way I did...he had no idea how what you said related to what I said nor my asking you for clarification...last time I checked, asking for clarification was an act of love, meaning you were loved long before you even attempted to love me in this situation...but no worries, I am used to it from you.
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I objected to you saying that parable of the salt wasss about the law when as I pointed out Jesus called the disciples salt not the law and asked you to prove the salt was the law...if you were not trying to say the salt was the law then all you had to do was say I misunderstood what your point was...but you see, by you ignoring my question about where you see Jesus calling the law salt, you are the one who is asking for argument...but no matter, I will take the blame even if it does NOT fit, it's called love.

What Jesus is saying-- if you want to review those Beatitudes again, is that the law just ain't good enough.  It ain't tough enough... doesn't go nearly far enough. He is instructing his disciples (beyond the twelve-- all who claim to follow his teachings) that following all the rules and regulations are fine and good, but to what end?  You can follow every jot and tittle--- in modern vernacular- 'dot every i, and cross every t' and keep every point of the law to the finest detail and it's worth nothing, because you have a rotten, stinkin' attitude.  You can never sleep with another person, yet still be an adulterer because you lust in your heart. 
where does the beatitudes talk about adultery?  I think you are confusing the law with the beatitudes which are talking about who is and who is not blessed and it is upside down from the world's understanding of who is blessed...but I will wait and see if you Love me enough to clarify your assertions by showing me where in the beatitudes it talks about adultery.
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You can never kill or strike another person, but still be a murderer because you are full of hate-- DESPITE keeping the law and all it's ordinances.  His point is the law is inadequate.  The haughty Pharisees are the proof--- they major in every minor point and fail where it counts-- in their heart.
no contest on the law, what I want to know is where in the beatitudes you are seeing Jesus talking about adultery and murder, etc.
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You (followers of mine) are the salt.... not them.  So too you followers of mine are the light... not them, he taught.  Elsewhere he called them blind guides leading the blind again in contrast to those who have that spirit of God that the Father gives- that holy spirit called the word of the Father within them.  As you quoted from Ps 119-- 'Thy word is the lamp unto my feet and the light unto my path' and the word of the Father that became flesh in him is the same word that becomes flesh in the soil of every man (here is where the sower parable comes to life)  "I am the light" he said... "You are the light" he also said.
did you even read the study I did and what I said, cause it sounds like you didn't Love me enough to read the OP before going off on some tangents that make good fodder for arguments.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on May 18, 2021, 12:13:04 pm
This tells me that you don't want to study.  You want to teach.

If you can read Matthew 5 and ask the questions you are asking, you simply aren't qualified to teach.

 21 “You have heard that 12 the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be 13 liable to the court.’ 22 “But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be 14 guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘15 You good-for-nothing,’ shall be 16 guilty before 17 the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be 18 guilty enough to go into the 19 fiery hell. 23 “Therefore if you are presenting your 20 offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your 21 offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your 22 offering. 25 “Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 “Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last 23 cent.
 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 “If your right eye makes you 24 stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you 25 to lose one of the parts of your body, 26 than for your whole body to be thrown into 27 hell. 30 “If your right hand makes you 28 stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you 29 to lose one of the parts of your body, 30 than for your whole body to go into 31 hell.
 31 “It was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who 32 divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a 33 divorced woman commits adultery.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 18, 2021, 12:33:16 pm
This tells me that you don't want to study.  You want to teach.

If you can read Matthew 5 and ask the questions you are asking, you simply aren't qualified to teach.

 21 “You have heard that 12 the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be 13 liable to the court.’ 22 “But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be 14 guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘15 You good-for-nothing,’ shall be 16 guilty before 17 the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be 18 guilty enough to go into the 19 fiery hell. 23 “Therefore if you are presenting your 20 offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your 21 offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your 22 offering. 25 “Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 “Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last 23 cent.
 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 “If your right eye makes you 24 stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you 25 to lose one of the parts of your body, 26 than for your whole body to be thrown into 27 hell. 30 “If your right hand makes you 28 stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you 29 to lose one of the parts of your body, 30 than for your whole body to go into 31 hell.
 31 “It was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who 32 divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a 33 divorced woman commits adultery.
so once again you condemn me because you cannot answer the most basic questions from the passage...so sad, where is your Love for me?  Our study here ends at the moment of this discussion with the parable of the salt of the earth...it begins with the beatitudes which you claimed were teaching the law...I asked you to show me where in the beatitudes it says anything about adultery or murder, so let me quote the passage to the point of this discussion and you highlight for me the part that talks about the law.

Since I am anxious to  learn all I can I am looking forward to you showing me the law in this part of the passage which is all that the first study dealt with

5 When He saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain, and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him. 2 Then[a] He began to teach them, saying:

The Beatitudes
3 “The poor in spirit are blessed,
for the kingdom of heaven is theirs.
4 Those who mourn are blessed,
for they will be comforted.
5 The gentle are blessed,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Those who hunger and thirst for righteousness are blessed,
for they will be filled.
7 The merciful are blessed,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 The pure in heart are blessed,
for they will see God.
9 The peacemakers are blessed,
for they will be called sons of God.
10 Those who are persecuted for righteousness are blessed,
for the kingdom of heaven is theirs.

11 “You are blessed when they insult and persecute you and falsely say every kind of evil against you because of Me. 12 Be glad and rejoice, because your reward is great in heaven. For that is how they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Believers Are Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt should lose its taste, how can it be made salty? It’s no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled on by men.

Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on May 18, 2021, 03:10:48 pm
Nah... not gonna play your silly game Lori.  You can flip and flop.  You can cut and paste.  You can mince, slice and dice... but-

THE PASSAGE-- the whole chapter, the beginning, the salt, the light, and everything that follows is given to highlight the difference between those that follow his teaching and those that follow those teachers of the law.  This and every parable.  "You have been taught.... BUT I SAY...."

The things you've claimed I said, what?  Five times now?  -I never said.  I never said the beatitudes were the law.  I never said the law was the salt.

I said the PASSAGE-- the whole thing... is ABOUT the law.  If you can't see it you can't see it.  And if you don't see it what it's about, why do you presume to teach others about things you don't see, much less understand?  You don't see because you won't look.  You don't understand because you won't consider.

So it is. 
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 18, 2021, 03:45:07 pm
Nah... not gonna play your silly game Lori.  You can flip and flop.  You can cut and paste.  You can mince, slice and dice... but-

THE PASSAGE-- the whole chapter, the beginning, the salt, the light, and everything that follows is given to highlight the difference between those that follow his teaching and those that follow those teachers of the law.  This and every parable.  "You have been taught.... BUT I SAY...."

The things you've claimed I said, what?  Five times now?  -I never said.  I never said the beatitudes were the law.  I never said the law was the salt.

I said the PASSAGE-- the whole thing... is ABOUT the law.  If you can't see it you can't see it.  And if you don't see it what it's about, why do you presume to teach others about things you don't see, much less understand?  You don't see because you won't look.  You don't understand because you won't consider.

So it is.
It seems to me that many men on this and other forums do not understand the difference between study and teaching. What Lori has done here is study and share with very little commentary (at the request of another poster). If you have a problem with her studying then admit it. However, I suggest that you reread Luke 10:38-42 where Jesus teaches Martha that learning from Him is better and it will not be taken from her. Too many men, in their pride desire to teach and presume that others want to teach as well. Lori simply wants to learn from Jesus and discuss with other believers His teaching. The entire Sermon on the Mount is about the law this is true but Lori states in her subject heading that she is studying parables of Jesus bit by bit. One of the basics of Exegesis is to begin in the pericope first and then move out to the broader context. If you do it the other way around you can read theology into a passage that is not discussed there but elsewhere. Just a hint by the way. It is much better to ask a question directly that you want to discuss rather than being obtuse about the intent of your fishing expedition.
Brian Bolinger M.Div. Ashland Theological Seminary
Lori's Husband 
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on May 18, 2021, 07:46:24 pm
WONDERFUL!!!

The husband.  Often mentioned, never before seen.  Why don't you grow a pair (if Lori would permit) and create a profile.  I'd LOVE to talk with you.

Are you saying Lori is akin to Mary, or Martha?
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 19, 2021, 06:37:14 am
WONDERFUL!!!

The husband.  Often mentioned, never before seen.  Why don't you grow a pair (if Lori would permit) and create a profile.  I'd LOVE to talk with you.

Are you saying Lori is akin to Mary, or Martha?
actually he was on the other forum for a while...he doesn't have time and predicted you would make such stupid claims simply because he is too busy to post...in fact, he often rants about some of you all and not having time to deal with such false teachers as you...personally, I wouldn't go that far with you but then again, maybe he is onto something.

As to "growing a pair" he is more man than you will ever be since he is determined to grow more and more like Christ and less and less like the world that told you to make such a claim.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 19, 2021, 01:10:33 pm
Moving forward instead of giving into the yeast of the Pharisees...

The Law Fulfilled...
Matthew 5:17 “Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

   As the salt of the earth, the disciples were taught to live Christ but also to speak the gospel with compassion, grace, mercy.  In other words, to not only live Christ but to allow their speech to reflect Christ because they were ambassadors for Christ.  As light, the theme was kind of continued.  They are the only Christ some people will see as the saying goes. They need to make sure that their lives are reflecting the light of Christ to the Jews first and then the Gentiles.  From there, Jesus begins to compare the need to live as an example of truth to the law, especially the Scribes and Pharisees.
   He begins by pointing out that He didn’t come to destroy the law but rather to fulfill it. So many people want to do away with the law, (which we will talk about in more detail in a moment) while failing to understand that Jesus is commanding the people who follow Him to fulfill the law as well.  LOVE that is what fulfills the law.  We like to focus on the details of the law when Love is what sums it all up so that we no longer have to focus all our attention on being righteous and instead can focus our attention on being like Christ.  (Galatians 5:14; Matthew 7:12; Matthew 22:40; Romans 13:10; Galatians 6:2)  When we Love like Christ Loved, we are fulfilling the very law we try to argue about.
   Quick side note and anyone who knows much about me knows that my studies are all flowing out of Biblical, agape Love therefore I want to take a moment to insert the best definition we can find for this Love.  (the chapter on this definition is available upon request, complete with scripture)  Love is putting another above self in an act of humility, creating a covenant whose intent/purpose is reconciliation/restoration.  Thus when talking about Love fulfilling the law, this is the Love we are talking about.
   So, back to our study.  Next, Jesus talks about the preservation of the law.  There are many people today that want to remove parts of the Bible and they have all kinds of reasons, some even sound righteous and noble, but at the end of the day, if we believe what Jesus is teaching, the law/scripture will not fade or be changed.  (II Timothy 3:16; Deuteronomy 29:29; Romans 15:4; II Peter 1:20-21)
   Thus we come to the conclusion that obedience is what makes us great n the Kingdom of God...but there is a bit more to it than that.  This is why it is important to guard our hearts in Christ Jesus.  (Proverbs 4:23; Matthew 12:34; Matthew 15:18-19)  When we guard our hearts, making sure they are right with God, we have peace and that peace allows us to live out what we claim to believe….in the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit (another study another time)  Philippians 4:7-9 tells us that we need to be the reflection of Christ while the peace of God guards us.  So how do we acquire this peace?  Through setting our minds on God because this is a man that trusts God. (Isaiah 26:3) But peace also comes through determination to not be afraid., (John 14:27)  Peace comes when we allow the peace of Christ to rule our lives. (Colossians 3:15)  Allowing Christ to be Lord of our lives is our calling.  This is something we need to be diligent about.   It is diligence that is approved by God and looks like humility, gentleness, patience, and Love.  Living Christ is to NOT argue or fight over words, to teach truth and to avoid empty speech.  (Ephesians 4:1-6; II Timothy 2:15; II Timothy 2:14-16)
   The final admonition here is to NOT be like the Pharisees.  To give a few things that the Pharisees are or did that we are not to do if we are the salt and light of the world are to not do what they do, the Pharisees were hypocrites saying one thing but living out something else.  They put heavy loads on the shoulders of the people with rituals and legalism.  The Pharisee’s attention seekers, observing others for the purpose of setting traps or judging them.  They sought attention, honor, and power.  The Pharisees were actively responsible for keeping others out of the Kingdom, refusing to enter into the rest of Christ and at the same time preventing others from entering.  They devoured widows with their demands, offered long showy prayers, and make converts that resulted in them becoming more worthless to the Kingdom than they were before.  They were blind guides leading the blind, they neglected justice, mercy, and faith in their zeal to be thought of as enlightened.  The Pharisees were greedy and self-indulgent, they were dead inside rather than alive.  They were impure hypocrites that live lawless lives.  They were just like their forefathers who murdered the prophets and in so doing, they shared in the sins of their fathers. The Pharisees gave false testimony, plotted destruction, and demanded signs. They tested Jesus and avoided His teachings.  They were legalistic, doubters who sought excuses to judge, to reject Christ, and to argue. (Matthew 23; Matthew 12:23-25; Matthew 12:14; Matthew 12:38; Matthew 16:1; Matthew 22:15; Mark 7:3; Luke 5:21; Luke 6:7; Luke 7:30; John 8:3; John 11:57; Acts 23:7) 
   So by contrasting the way Jesus taught the people to live, as salt and light, in Love and truth, with the legalism and evil that is revealed by the law, Jesus teaching shows the beauty of His purpose for coming and the calling He places on our lives when we believe unto salvation.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: patrick jane on May 19, 2021, 04:33:20 pm
Nah... not gonna play your silly game Lori.  You can flip and flop.  You can cut and paste.  You can mince, slice and dice... but-

THE PASSAGE-- the whole chapter, the beginning, the salt, the light, and everything that follows is given to highlight the difference between those that follow his teaching and those that follow those teachers of the law.  This and every parable.  "You have been taught.... BUT I SAY...."

The things you've claimed I said, what?  Five times now?  -I never said.  I never said the beatitudes were the law.  I never said the law was the salt.

I said the PASSAGE-- the whole thing... is ABOUT the law.  If you can't see it you can't see it.  And if you don't see it what it's about, why do you presume to teach others about things you don't see, much less understand?  You don't see because you won't look.  You don't understand because you won't consider.

So it is.
It seems to me that many men on this and other forums do not understand the difference between study and teaching. What Lori has done here is study and share with very little commentary (at the request of another poster). If you have a problem with her studying then admit it. However, I suggest that you reread Luke 10:38-42 where Jesus teaches Martha that learning from Him is better and it will not be taken from her. Too many men, in their pride desire to teach and presume that others want to teach as well. Lori simply wants to learn from Jesus and discuss with other believers His teaching. The entire Sermon on the Mount is about the law this is true but Lori states in her subject heading that she is studying parables of Jesus bit by bit. One of the basics of Exegesis is to begin in the pericope first and then move out to the broader context. If you do it the other way around you can read theology into a passage that is not discussed there but elsewhere. Just a hint by the way. It is much better to ask a question directly that you want to discuss rather than being obtuse about the intent of your fishing expedition.
Brian Bolinger M.Div. Ashland Theological Seminary
Lori's Husband
Who requested very little commentary?
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 20, 2021, 06:19:39 am
Nah... not gonna play your silly game Lori.  You can flip and flop.  You can cut and paste.  You can mince, slice and dice... but-

THE PASSAGE-- the whole chapter, the beginning, the salt, the light, and everything that follows is given to highlight the difference between those that follow his teaching and those that follow those teachers of the law.  This and every parable.  "You have been taught.... BUT I SAY...."

The things you've claimed I said, what?  Five times now?  -I never said.  I never said the beatitudes were the law.  I never said the law was the salt.

I said the PASSAGE-- the whole thing... is ABOUT the law.  If you can't see it you can't see it.  And if you don't see it what it's about, why do you presume to teach others about things you don't see, much less understand?  You don't see because you won't look.  You don't understand because you won't consider.

So it is.
It seems to me that many men on this and other forums do not understand the difference between study and teaching. What Lori has done here is study and share with very little commentary (at the request of another poster). If you have a problem with her studying then admit it. However, I suggest that you reread Luke 10:38-42 where Jesus teaches Martha that learning from Him is better and it will not be taken from her. Too many men, in their pride desire to teach and presume that others want to teach as well. Lori simply wants to learn from Jesus and discuss with other believers His teaching. The entire Sermon on the Mount is about the law this is true but Lori states in her subject heading that she is studying parables of Jesus bit by bit. One of the basics of Exegesis is to begin in the pericope first and then move out to the broader context. If you do it the other way around you can read theology into a passage that is not discussed there but elsewhere. Just a hint by the way. It is much better to ask a question directly that you want to discuss rather than being obtuse about the intent of your fishing expedition.
Brian Bolinger M.Div. Ashland Theological Seminary
Lori's Husband
Who requested very little commentary?
No, it was requested I do the study, I refuse to do a study with a lot of commentary since I want to know what God is telling us not what man thinks.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 22, 2021, 10:47:52 am

The Condition of the Heart…

Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to our ancestors,[e] Do not murder,[f] and whoever murders will be subject to judgment. 22 But I tell you, everyone who is angry with his brother[g] will be subject to judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Fool!’[h] will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You moron!’ will be subject to hellfire. 23 So if you are offering your gift on the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Reach a settlement quickly with your adversary while you’re on the way with him, or your adversary will hand you over to the judge, the judge to[j] the officer, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 I assure you: You will never get out of there until you have paid the last penny![k]

   After Jesus taught the people that He was the fulfillment of the law and that they too need to live out the law as a reflection of their faith, He decides to continue teaching on the law.  There are a lot of arguments about which law we are to obey.  So let’s briefly talk about the different laws talked about in scripture. 
The Law of sin and death.  Romans 8
The Mosaic Law.  Deuteronomy 21-23
The Ten Commandments.  Exodus 20
The New Testament Law of Love.  Romans 13:8-10; Galatians 5:14; Matthew 7:12; John 13:34; James 2:8
The command to not murder is found in the Ten Commandments Deuteronomy 5:17 and Exodus 20:13.  This reference makes it clear that the law Jesus is referring to here is the Ten Commandments.  As Jews, the people would not only be familiar with the law but it would have been a large part of their education.  So when Jesus teaches, “you have heard it said,” they would have immediately recognized it as not just a saying but the law itself.
   After reminding the people of the law and the ancestry from which the law came to them, Jesus clarifies the law for them.  It isn’t just murder that is wrong, but murder that is the very heart of what you desire.  (Genesis 6:5; Genesis 8:21; Matthew 15:19)  Man needs a new heart, a clean heart. (Romans 10:9-10; Psalms 37)  All too often, the church teaches belief without explaining that the belief that saves is indeed a belief of the heart.  If evil resides in our hearts, it is replacing that evil with God’s Love that holds the power.  (Proverbs 4:23; Proverbs 23:19; Deuteronomy 4:9; II Kings 10:31; Matthew 12:34; Matthew 15:18-19; Luke 6:45)  It often helps me to understand what this means by thinking about the difference between setting your mind to something versus setting your heart to the thing.  Setting your heart to something is a greater commitment that consumes your whole being whereas setting your mind to something is less of a commitment, less of a covenant. 
   To further illustrate the point, Jesus compares murder (the action) to the feeling of anger.  Anger here is not just being mad, it is the kind of anger that plots and desires evil.  God, Himself gets angry. (Matthew 18:34)  The problem is that man’s anger does not lead to righteousness.  (James 1:19-21) We all have emotions, anger being an emotion is something that will happen now and again but in that anger, we are not to sin. (Ephesians 4:26)  It seems clear from scripture that anger itself is not sin but in anger, we often sin. 
   The point Jesus is making is not about anger but about unchecked anger that leads us into sins. Not just unchecked anger but anger without cause.  But sin always begins with the desires of the heart.  (James 1:14-15; Genesis 3:6)  Since sin begins in the heart even entertaining desires like anger and adultery is sinful because it opens the door for even greater evils. (Matthew 5:22 and Matthew 5:28)  The god of this world uses our lustful desires to try to entice but to sin. (II Corinthians 4:4; I John 2:16)  This is a big deal because even calling someone a fool/moron is a sinful act that shows anger to the degree of murder.  When I looked into these two words I found something curious.  The first word, Racca or in the HCSB fool, means idiot, empty-headed, senseless, and worthless.  I think the word worthless gives us a huge clue as to why this is a big deal since God found us to be so valuable that it cost Jesus His life.  In essence, you are taking away the value God gave the person from the very beginning.  (Matthew 6:26; Matthew 10:31; Matthew 12:12 and 23; Luke 12:24)  The result will be judgment...but not just any old judgment, a judgment equivalent to that which you gave to your brother.  Judgment is God’s alone, not ours.  (Matthew 7:1; Luke 6:37; Romans 2:1; Romans 14:10; and 13; I Corinthians 4:5; James 4:11)
   By the same token, if we in our anger call a brother Moros, in the HCSB Moron we are in danger of hellfire.   Moros meaning foolish but what I found interesting is that it includes the understanding of something that is godless, those that neglect and despise what relates to salvation, an expression of condemnation.  In other words, you are issuing condemnation to the person.  Remember all this is happening to the brother we are angry with for no reason.  The same word is used in Matthew 7:26 when talking about building our house upon the sand.  (Matthew 23:17; Matthew 25:2-8; I Corinthians 1:27)
   The answer is to forgive but more than just forgiving, (Matthew 6:14-15; Matthew 18:35; Matthew 11:25; Luke 6:37; Ephesians 4:32; Colossians 3:13)  reconcile so that God can and will accept your offering. (II Corinthians 5:11-21; Romans 5:10-11; Colossians 1:22)  This is such a big deal that Jesus tells us we are not even worthy to make our sacrifices to God while this anger still separates us from our brother, while our anger separates us because of unforgiveness and reconciliation.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 25, 2021, 11:36:32 am
I've been having computer problems so I will stay on it as best I can as long as anyone is interested, .this portion offers a lot of scripture on how to avoid sin, especially sexual sin.


The Condition of the Heart Continued…


Matthew 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, Do not commit adultery.[l] 28 But I tell you, everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to go into hell!


“As you have heard”...Jesus is continuing to teach on the law, but not just the law but the correct understanding of the law. If you remember, earlier in this study we saw the contrast between what Jesus was teaching about the law and the legalism of the Pharisees. Here Jesus continues the teaching that following, obedience to the law isn’t about the dos and don’t but about the change in heart that comes when we are restored to the image of God that sin stole from us. His first teaching hereon the condition of the heart was about murder.

A brief look at a beautiful woman can cause a man to allow his thoughts to venture into a fantasy world where he desires the woman for his own. When that woman is not his bride, the heart of the law is that the man is committing adultery. This brings us to the first line of defense we have against falling into the sin of adultery in our thoughts. Sin begins with evil desires (James 1:14-15) therefore we need a change of heart, a change that removes evil desires and replaces them with godly ones. This change begins with changing our perspective from the flesh to the spirit through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Psalms 37:4; Psalms 145:19;Philippians 3:19; Romans 8:5; Galatians 5:17) The process of controlling our thoughts begins with renewing our minds in Christ. (Psalms 51:10-12; Romans 12:2; Ephesians 4:23) It is a process of taking our thoughts captive before they can become sin. (II Corinthians 10:5) But it isn’t enough to just take our thoughts captive, we need to replace those thoughts that lead to sin with the things above. (Colossians 10:5) These are not the things that life is a bed of roses, but rather the things of God, goodness, purity, etc. (Philippians 4:8)

After we take our thoughts captive, let us consider contentment. Ezekiel 16:29-31 tells us about another instance of condemnation when Jerusalem engaged in tawdry affairs. But even that did not satisfy the desires of the flesh that they were trying to satisfy. The people needed to learn what Paul learned, to be content with what they have been given. (Philippians 4:11-12; I Timothy 6:6) When our hearts and minds are renewed and focused on God, the evil desires fade away.

Another aspect of learning to follow the heart of the law when it comes to the inward man is to crucify the old man, the sinful desires. (Galatians 5:24; Romans 6:6; Galatians 2:20; Galatians 6:14; Colossians 3:5) It is a cutting away of sinful desires. (Colossians 2:11) It happens when we abstain from sexual desires, (I Peter 2:11) yield ourselves to God, (Romans 12:11) to put on Christ, and make no efforts to indulge in the desires of the flesh. (Romans 13:9-14; Galatians 5:16; Titus 2:12) Abstaining from sexual sin is about fleeing that temptation. Sexual immorality is a sin against our own bodies (I Corinthians 6:18)

With sexual sins being sins against our own bodies it is no wonder that it is a big deal to God. We as His temple, His possession, His body, make sexual sins especially problematic to our Christian walk. (I Corinthians 6:13-19; I Thessalonians 4:3) Unfortunately, adultery is also equated to that which leads to idol worship. (Ezekiel 6:9) but is it also not a problem related to only men or to heterosexual relations or when still married. (Proverbs 6:25; Romans 1:27; Luke 16:18) Maybe one of the least talked about but very important aspects of the Christian life is learning to be self-controlled. Self-control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit but it is also something we are to work on and learn in our everyday lives. (Galatians 5:22-23;Acts 24:25; I Corinthians 7:5-9;I Corinthians 9:25; Titus 2:6; II Peter 1:5-7; II Timothy 3:2-4) Jesus packs so much in so little that it is hard to find all the tidbits of truth but one thing is for sure, Jesus when He taught, taught with an authority that amazed the people. (Matthew 7:29)
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: patrick jane on May 27, 2021, 05:31:34 pm
Please do follow along Chappy-- and feel free to chime in.  Lori can't seem to find any mention of the Law in Matthew 5.

Maybe you will have better luck.
Be careful...I did NOT say that the law was NOT mentioned, I DID say that the parable of the salt is directed at the disciples being the salt of the earth, not the law as you ascribed to.
8)
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Bladerunner on May 27, 2021, 09:36:49 pm
Please do follow along Chappy-- and feel free to chime in.  Lori can't seem to find any mention of the Law in Matthew 5.

Maybe you will have better luck.
Be careful...I did NOT say that the law was NOT mentioned, I DID say that the parable of the salt is directed at the disciples being the salt of the earth, not the law as you ascribed to.
8)
:)
Blade
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on May 31, 2021, 11:26:01 am
Oaths...
Matthew 5:33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to our ancestors,] You must not break your oath, but you must keep your oaths to the Lord.  34 But I tell you, don’t take an oath at all: either by heaven, because it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, because it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither should you swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black. 37 But let your word ‘yes’ be ‘yes,’ and your ‘no’ be ‘no.’[q] Anything more than this is from the evil one.

    I do not think it is a coincidence that Jesus goes from teaching about divorce straight into a teaching about making oaths.  God takes truth seriously but He also takes oaths and covenants seriously.  So an oath according to definition is a solemn promise usually with a divine witness.  By contrast, a covenant in scripture is a legally binding agreement.  The teaching here is about oaths not covenants, iow’s an oath is not a legally binding agreement that falls under different rules.  But we will see in a moment, not so different.
   The law teaches that we are not to break an oath.  Sounds good, right?! But Jesus who is teaching the intent of the law says this, “don’t take an oath at all:”  That might seem harsh.  Don’t make a solemn promise at all?  What could possibly be wrong with giving a solemn promise to do something, especially if it is something for someone else.  Jesus reasoning seems a little odd to me, He says the reason is because  by heaven, because it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, because it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King.  Okay, so God owns the heaven’s, the earth, and even Jerusalem, but what if I make a solemn oath or promise that isn’t about God at all?  Jesus continues, 36 Neither should you swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black.  Now we are getting to the heart of what I discovered in the teaching.  It is not in our power to fulfill such a promise. 
   There is a great debate in the church about whether or not God is sovereign or whether or not that sovereignty means that every aspect of our lives is controlled by God.  We read passages like Proverbs 16:9 (HCSB) A man's heart plans his way, but the LORD determines his steps. And wonder if we have any say in how our lives will go.  God definitely has plans and those plans will not be thwart. (Isaiah 46:11; Numbers 23:19; Isaiah 14:24; Isaiah 48:14: Job 42:2; Job 25:2; Daniel 4:35) This gives us part of the reason we are not to make oaths or solemn promises, because we cannot overturn or override what God is going to do in us and through us. The other part is that God is our witness. (Genesis 31:49; Deuteronomy 6:13; Deuteronomy 10:20; I Samuel 20:23; Matthew 5:33) With all authority being Christ’s (Matthew 28:18) and God being both witness and guide we should have enough reason to not make solemn oaths that we may or may not be able to follow through with.  In fact, He ends by saying, let your yes be yes and your no be no.  In other words, make sure that you are true to your words and allow God to have the rest.
   The teaching is rounded out with an understanding from James. James 4 13-17 teaches that since we don’t know what will happen tomorrow, qne since Luke 12:25 teaches that we can’t change our lives, then we need to say, “If God wills I will>” rather than saying I will do this or that. When we understand that our lives are but a vapor, (James 4:13-17; Psalms 39:5) and that God has all authority, (Romans 13:1; Matthew 11:27; John 3:35) we can have no reason or right to make oaths.  If we let our yes be yes and our no be no, in other words, speak truth, we are indeed Loving according to I Corinthians 13 Love, thus fulfilling the law.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 01, 2021, 12:28:39 pm
The second mile…
Matthew 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.39 But I tell you, don’t resist an evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 As for the one who wants to sue you and take away your shirt,let him have your coat as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and don’t turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
   The first verse gives us a clue as to what Jesus is talking about here.  Many people want to turn this into a thread demanding all believers be pacifists but that is not what Jesus is talking about here.  An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is about vengeance.  Again, this teaching comes straight out of the law.  (Leviticus 24:19-21) The law required that the offender repay the one injured.  In fact, retribution is not just about what was taken but interest as well. (Proverbs 6:31)   Remember, Jesus is teaching the law in a way that the people had never heard before.  He is teaching the intent of the law.  By talking about vengeance, we must keep our understanding to that principle.
   The evil doer here is the one that desires to do harm, not that which is accidental. So if someone intends harm to you, we are not to resist them.  This does not mean as some teach, that we cannot defend ourselves but rather that we are not to set ourselves against the one who is desiring to do us harm.  Think here of two aspects of someone wanting to do us harm, let’s say that someone is trying to steal from us.  First we are not to stand against them, in other words, not do something to continue the anger and hostility that is bringing the evil into our lives.  Secondly, we are not to retaliate.  So let’s see it in scripture.
   If God is giving us the words to speak which is consistent with the working of the Holy Spirit within our lives, then our adversaries will have no rebuttal. (Luke 21:15; Acts 6:10; Romans 9:19)  The resisting we are to do is the spiritual resisting that results when we put on the full armor of God. (Ephesians 6:13) Since our battle is not physical, our reaction to it should be spiritual. (Ephesians 6:12) Likewise we are to resist the devil. (James 4:7)  We are not to resist God and the things of God. (Romans 13:2; II Timothy 4:15; I Peter 5:9)
   To understand Jesus better, we can look at the idea of revenge.  We are not to take revenge on those who do us wrong. Vengeance is best left to God. (Proverbs 20:22; Proverbs 24:29; Proverbs 12:17; Proverbs 12:19)  To go a step further, Jesus talks about how we are not to sue each other.  Suing someone in court is to take the issues between brothers to unbelievers for their judgment.  Instead, if we have an unresolved issue with a brother, we are to allow the church to judge.  (Matthew 18; I Corinthians 6:1-11)  John 18:19-24 gives us a beautiful picture of the heart of the law in the case of turning the other cheek.  It is the fullness of time and the final days of Jesus' earthly life are about to come to an end.  He is taken before Annas and there questioned when He answers, one of the guards responds with a slap to His face.  Jesus responded, “23 “If I have spoken wrongly, give evidence about the wrong; but if rightly, why do you hit Me?”  Jesus did not resist, He simply spoke truth in Love.
   To further clarify the context of Jesus teaching here, we come to verse 40 and 41 where Jesus is talking about someone demanding your cloak. (Luke 6:29-30; Proverbs 6:30-31)  Often when studyingI think of real life examples of a Biblical truth.  This is one such time.  Brian was in seminary and we were barely surviving financially.  We had 3 small boys and our only car broke down.  We were stuck.  A friend who was also in seminary and not well off had just sold her old car and bought a newer one.  Finding out our situation (we live in an area where vehicles are pretty much a necessity) she bought back her old car and gifted it to us.  We didn’t ask for it or demand it but the heart of that dear friend is the same heart we are talking about here.  The heart of giving out of Love.  Love puts the other person above the interest of one Loving another.  Love is going the extra mile, it is giving even when it is hard or inconvenient.  Love does not retaliate but instead, Love helps the one who desires to do evil by providing for him what he needs.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Bladerunner on June 01, 2021, 10:17:36 pm
The second mile…
Matthew 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 39 But I tell you, don’t resist an evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 As for the one who wants to sue you and take away your shirt, let him have your coat as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and don’t turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
   The first verse gives us a clue as to what Jesus is talking about here.  Many people want to turn this into a thread demanding all believers be pacifists but that is not what Jesus is talking about here.  An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is about vengeance.  Again, this teaching comes straight out of the law.  (Leviticus 24:19-21) The law required that the offender repay the one injured.  In fact, retribution is not just about what was taken but interest as well. (Proverbs 6:31)   Remember, Jesus is teaching the law in a way that the people had never heard before.  He is teaching the intent of the law.  By talking about vengeance, we must keep our understanding to that principle.
   The evil doer here is the one that desires to do harm, not that which is accidental. So if someone intends harm to you, we are not to resist them.  This does not mean as some teach, that we cannot defend ourselves but rather that we are not to set ourselves against the one who is desiring to do us harm.  Think here of two aspects of someone wanting to do us harm, let’s say that someone is trying to steal from us.  First we are not to stand against them, in other words, not do something to continue the anger and hostility that is bringing the evil into our lives.  Secondly, we are not to retaliate.  So let’s see it in scripture.
   If God is giving us the words to speak which is consistent with the working of the Holy Spirit within our lives, then our adversaries will have no rebuttal. (Luke 21:15; Acts 6:10; Romans 9:19)  The resisting we are to do is the spiritual resisting that results when we put on the full armor of God. (Ephesians 6:13) Since our battle is not physical, our reaction to it should be spiritual. (Ephesians 6:12) Likewise we are to resist the devil. (James 4:7)  We are not to resist God and the things of God. (Romans 13:2; II Timothy 4:15; I Peter 5:9)
   To understand Jesus better, we can look at the idea of revenge.  We are not to take revenge on those who do us wrong. Vengeance is best left to God. (Proverbs 20:22; Proverbs 24:29; Proverbs 12:17; Proverbs 12:19)  To go a step further, Jesus talks about how we are not to sue each other.  Suing someone in court is to take the issues between brothers to unbelievers for their judgment.  Instead, if we have an unresolved issue with a brother, we are to allow the church to judge.  (Matthew 18; I Corinthians 6:1-11)  John 18:19-24 gives us a beautiful picture of the heart of the law in the case of turning the other cheek.  It is the fullness of time and the final days of Jesus' earthly life are about to come to an end.  He is taken before Annas and there questioned when He answers, one of the guards responds with a slap to His face.  Jesus responded, “23 “If I have spoken wrongly, give evidence about the wrong; but if rightly, why do you hit Me?”  Jesus did not resist, He simply spoke truth in Love.
   To further clarify the context of Jesus teaching here, we come to verse 40 and 41 where Jesus is talking about someone demanding your cloak. (Luke 6:29-30; Proverbs 6:30-31)  Often when studying I think of real life examples of a Biblical truth.  This is one such time.  Brian was in seminary and we were barely surviving financially.  We had 3 small boys and our only car broke down.  We were stuck.  A friend who was also in seminary and not well off had just sold her old car and bought a newer one.  Finding out our situation (we live in an area where vehicles are pretty much a necessity) she bought back her old car and gifted it to us.  We didn’t ask for it or demand it but the heart of that dear friend is the same heart we are talking about here.  The heart of giving out of Love.  Love puts the other person above the interest of one Loving another.  Love is going the extra mile, it is giving even when it is hard or inconvenient.  Love does not retaliate but instead, Love helps the one who desires to do evil by providing for him what he needs.

No why would you mark everything you wrote out?

Blade
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 02, 2021, 07:20:04 am
The second mile…
Matthew 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.39 But I tell you, don’t resist an evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 As for the one who wants to sue you and take away your shirt, let him have your coat as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and don’t turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
   The first verse gives us a clue as to what Jesus is talking about here.  Many people want to turn this into a thread demanding all believers be pacifists but that is not what Jesus is talking about here.  An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is about vengeance.  Again, this teaching comes straight out of the law.  (Leviticus 24:19-21) The law required that the offender repay the one injured.  In fact, retribution is not just about what was taken but interest as well. (Proverbs 6:31)   Remember, Jesus is teaching the law in a way that the people had never heard before.  He is teaching the intent of the law.  By talking about vengeance, we must keep our understanding to that principle.
   The evil doer here is the one that desires to do harm, not that which is accidental. So if someone intends harm to you, we are not to resist them.  This does not mean as some teach, that we cannot defend ourselves but rather that we are not to set ourselves against the one who is desiring to do us harm.  Think here of two aspects of someone wanting to do us harm, let’s say that someone is trying to steal from us.  First we are not to stand against them, in other words, not do something to continue the anger and hostility that is bringing the evil into our lives.  Secondly, we are not to retaliate.  So let’s see it in scripture.
   If God is giving us the words to speak which is consistent with the working of the Holy Spirit within our lives, then our adversaries will have no rebuttal. (Luke 21:15; Acts 6:10; Romans 9:19)  The resisting we are to do is the spiritual resisting that results when we put on the full armor of God. (Ephesians 6:13) Since our battle is not physical, our reaction to it should be spiritual. (Ephesians 6:12) Likewise we are to resist the devil. (James 4:7)  We are not to resist God and the things of God. (Romans 13:2; II Timothy 4:15; I Peter 5:9)
   To understand Jesus better, we can look at the idea of revenge.  We are not to take revenge on those who do us wrong. Vengeance is best left to God. (Proverbs 20:22; Proverbs 24:29; Proverbs 12:17; Proverbs 12:19)  To go a step further, Jesus talks about how we are not to sue each other.  Suing someone in court is to take the issues between brothers to unbelievers for their judgment.  Instead, if we have an unresolved issue with a brother, we are to allow the church to judge.  (Matthew 18; I Corinthians 6:1-11)  John 18:19-24 gives us a beautiful picture of the heart of the law in the case of turning the other cheek.  It is the fullness of time and the final days of Jesus' earthly life are about to come to an end.  He is taken before Annas and there questioned when He answers, one of the guards responds with a slap to His face.  Jesus responded, “23 “If I have spoken wrongly, give evidence about the wrong; but if rightly, why do you hit Me?”  Jesus did not resist, He simply spoke truth in Love.
   To further clarify the context of Jesus teaching here, we come to verse 40 and 41 where Jesus is talking about someone demanding your cloak. (Luke 6:29-30; Proverbs 6:30-31)  Often when studying I think of real life examples of a Biblical truth.  This is one such time.  Brian was in seminary and we were barely surviving financially.  We had 3 small boys and our only car broke down.  We were stuck.  A friend who was also in seminary and not well off had just sold her old car and bought a newer one.  Finding out our situation (we live in an area where vehicles are pretty much a necessity) she bought back her old car and gifted it to us.  We didn’t ask for it or demand it but the heart of that dear friend is the same heart we are talking about here.  The heart of giving out of Love.  Love puts the other person above the interest of one Loving another.  Love is going the extra mile, it is giving even when it is hard or inconvenient.  Love does not retaliate but instead, Love helps the one who desires to do evil by providing for him what he needs.

No why would you mark everything you wrote out?

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I didn't know it was, my computer did this before on something and it didn't show it here until I restarted my computer...I will fix it.  Thanks for pointing it out.
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Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 02, 2021, 07:23:58 am
Okay, I have repeatedly tried to correct it and for some reason it will not remove the line...I have requested help if we can't find a way to fix it I can try to repost the study.
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Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 02, 2021, 10:11:31 am

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The second mile…

Matthew 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.[r] 39 But I tell you, don’t resist an evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 As for the one who wants to sue you and take away your shirt,[t] let him have your coat as well. 41 And if anyone forces[v] you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and don’t turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

The first verse gives us a clue as to what Jesus is talking about here. Many people want to turn this into a thread demanding all believers be pacifists but that is not what Jesus is talking about here. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is about vengeance. Again, this teaching comes straight out of the law. (Leviticus 24:19-21) The law required that the offender repay the one injured. In fact, retribution is not just about what was taken but interest as well. (Proverbs 6:31) Remember, Jesus is teaching the law in a way that the people had never heard before. He is teaching the intent of the law. By talking about vengeance, we must keep our understanding to that principle.

The evil doer here is the one that desires to do harm, not that which is accidental. So if someone intends harm to you, we are not to resist them. This does not mean as some teach, that we cannot defend ourselves but rather that we are not to set ourselves against the one who is desiring to do us harm. Think here of two aspects of someone wanting to do us harm, let’s say that someone is trying to steal from us. First we are not to stand against them, in other words, not do something to continue the anger and hostility that is bringing the evil into our lives. Secondly, we are not to retaliate. So let’s see it in scripture.

If God is giving us the words to speak which is consistent with the working of the Holy Spirit within our lives, then our adversaries will have no rebuttal. (Luke 21:15; Acts 6:10; Romans 9:19) The resisting we are to do is the spiritual resisting that results when we put on the full armor of God. (Ephesians 6:13) Since our battle is not physical, our reaction to it should be spiritual. (Ephesians 6:12) Likewise we are to resist the devil. (James 4:7) We are not to resist God and the things of God. (Romans 13:2; II Timothy 4:15; I Peter 5:9)

To understand Jesus better, we can look at the idea of revenge. We are not to take revenge on those who do us wrong. Vengeance is best left to God. (Proverbs 20:22; Proverbs 24:29; Proverbs 12:17; Proverbs 12:19) To go a step further, Jesus talks about how we are not to sue each other. Suing someone in court is to take the issues between brothers to unbelievers for their judgment. Instead, if we have an unresolved issue with a brother, we are to allow the church to judge. (Matthew 18; I Corinthians 6:1-11) John 18:19-24 gives us a beautiful picture of the heart of the law in the case of turning the other cheek. It is the fullness of time and the final days of Jesus' earthly life are about to come to an end. He is taken before Annas and there questioned when He answers, one of the guards responds with a slap to His face. Jesus responded, “23 “If I have spoken wrongly, give evidence about the wrong; but if rightly, why do you hit Me?” Jesus did not resist, He simply spoke truth in Love.

To further clarify the context of Jesus teaching here, we come to verse 40 and 41 where Jesus is talking about someone demanding your cloak. (Luke 6:29-30; Proverbs 6:30-31) Often when studyingI think of real life examples of a Biblical truth. This is one such time. Brian was in seminary and we were barely surviving financially. We had 3 small boys and our only car broke down. We were stuck. A friend who was also in seminary and not well off had just sold her old car and bought a newer one. Finding out our situation (we live in an area where vehicles are pretty much a necessity) she bought back her old car and gifted it to us. We didn’t ask for it or demand it but the heart of that dear friend is the same heart we are talking about here. The heart of giving out of Love. Love puts the other person above the interest of one Loving another. Love is going the extra mile, it is giving even when it is hard or inconvenient. Love does not retaliate but instead, Love helps the one who desires to do evil by providing for him what he needs.

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Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 02, 2021, 10:13:14 am
I have no idea, it only has the stick through here and the mod can't remove it either.
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Post by: Ted T. on June 02, 2021, 11:17:53 am
I have no idea, it only has the stick through here and the mod can't remove it either.
The editor has munched some of my posts also, especially quotes...toggle view and remove formatting are especially erratic.
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Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 02, 2021, 11:20:17 am
There, I think that got it, not sure how it happened, but I think that should fix it.
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Post by: La Shonda on June 02, 2021, 03:56:36 pm
Okay, I have repeatedly tried to correct it and for some reason it will not remove the line...I have requested help if we can't find a way to fix it I can try to repost the study.
Hey Lori I edited your post and took out the line for you hope that helps out...
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Post by: patrick jane on June 02, 2021, 04:01:19 pm
Okay, I have repeatedly tried to correct it and for some reason it will not remove the line...I have requested help if we can't find a way to fix it I can try to repost the study.
Hey Lori I edited your post and took out the line for you hope that helps out...
Thank you hon she fixed it after a while but it's good to know that you can do that @La Shonda - I love you
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Post by: La Shonda on June 02, 2021, 05:08:31 pm
Okay, I have repeatedly tried to correct it and for some reason it will not remove the line...I have requested help if we can't find a way to fix it I can try to repost the study.
Hey Lori I edited your post and took out the line for you hope that helps out...
Thank you hon she fixed it after a while but it's good to know that you can do that @La Shonda - I love you
You're welcome hon, learning as I go wanted to see if I can fix the line and I did ... @patrick jane I love you too hon...🥰
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Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 03, 2021, 06:22:05 am
Okay, I have repeatedly tried to correct it and for some reason it will not remove the line...I have requested help if we can't find a way to fix it I can try to repost the study.
Hey Lori I edited your post and took out the line for you hope that helps out...
thanks
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Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 03, 2021, 02:07:14 pm
Love Your Enemies...
Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, Love your neighbor[w] and hate your enemy. 44 But I tell you, love your enemies
When I read this several questions come to mind that I seldom hear anyone else ask.  Questions like who is my enemy, how or what we should pray for our enemies, does this include self protection from real harm not just discomfort, etc.  So let’s see what we can find in scripture that will inform us on some of these questions.  Exodus 15:9 gives us a picture into the heart of an enemy.  (HCSB) 9The enemy said:  “I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil.k  My desire will be gratified at their expense.
I will draw my sword; my hand will destroy them.”  An enemy is one who wishes to destroy you.  The devil fits this description, so we can definitely say that the devil is our enemy.  (I Peter 5:8) This is important to our spiritual walk but does little for understanding this passage as we are to resist the devil. (James 4:7)  Acts 13:10 talks about the enemy as the one who tries to pervert the straight paths of the Lord. This then would include false teachers and others who try to draw us away from God.  Those who are actively doing the will of the devil.  I Corinthians 15:26 tells us that death is our enemy but again that doesn’t seem to fit here. So then we come to Galatians 4:16 where we see that someone can become an enemy by speaking truth that is not well accepted.  Thus we know that the enemy here is flesh and blood like we are but we also know from this that the enemy being identified is one who is persecuting us.  Persecution would be for the purpose of doing us harm, both physical and spiritual but the emphasis here seems to be spiritual.
   Before we talk about how to pray for our enemy let’s touch on persecution. Persecution does not have to be only physical abuse, it can also be verbal. (Psalms 119:86) Persecution has been part of the gospel since Old Testament times.  (Matthew 5:12; Luke 11:49) It is also prophesied that persecution would be coming. In fact, all believers should expect persecution. (Romans 12:9-21; Matthew 5:10-11; Matthew 5:12; Luke 21:12; John 15:20; II Corinthians 4:9; II Timothy 3:12)  Both men and women are persecuted, (Acts 22:4) but it is also important to endure persecution for Christ’s sake. (I Corinthians 4:12)
   Even the law tells us to care for our enemies. (Exodus 23:4)  The heart of the law extends into the New Testament. (Romans 12:20)  We are also cautioned to not treat a brother who has done us wrong like an enemy. (II Thessalonians 3:6-15)  The passage tells us we are to pray for those who persecute us.  According to the passage it is because they too might come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.  So how then are we to pray for them?  This time of prayer is not a show so that our enemy will take notice, much less the church. (Matthew 6:5)  First, prayer is not just about them but about us also, we need to forgive them.  We need to pray that not only we can forgive but that our brothers and sisters around the world will have the power and desire to forgive those that persecute them and those they love. A forgiveness that is without anger. (Mark 11:24; I Timothy 2:8) From the standpoint of our prayer and our own heart, we need to pray that we will be protected.  Again this protection is more about the spiritual than the flesh though praying for the flesh is not evil. (John 17:9) We need to devote ourselves to prayer in general because this includes the one who is persecuting us. (Acts 6:4; Romans 12:12; I Peter 4:7)  We should be praying that the one who is doing harm will come to salvation thus avoiding the wrath of God. (Acts 8:22-24; Romans 10:1) Our prayers should be in the power of the Holy Spirit. (Jude 1:20; Romans 8:26-27) The whole purpose of the teaching is that the one who is persecuting us might come to Christ as Paul who was a prosecutor did thus become a testimony to the power and Love of God. (Matthew 5:45) This is an act of Love that fulfills the law. (John 15:13) This is a Love that the world cannot understand. (I Corinthians 1:21-27; I Corinthians 2:12; Psalms 8:2) Which brings us back to where we began, being the salt of the earth, the light of the world, the ambassadors that Christ has called us to be, those who show the world a better way.
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Post by: Mr E on June 03, 2021, 09:58:10 pm
Okay, I have repeatedly tried to correct it and for some reason it will not remove the line...I have requested help if we can't find a way to fix it I can try to repost the study.
Hey Lori I edited your post and took out the line for you hope that helps out...
Thank you hon she fixed it after a while but it's good to know that you can do that @La Shonda - I love you
You're welcome hon, learning as I go wanted to see if I can fix the line and I did ... @patrick jane I love you too hon...🥰

Hello peach.... if you might share how you fixed it please?  We have had no Moderator training and some of us are old!!!! -and can't figure out ALL THESE BUTTONS! lol
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Post by: La Shonda on June 04, 2021, 12:31:59 am



Hello peach.... if you might share how you fixed it please?  We have had no Moderator training and some of us are old!!!! -and can't figure out ALL THESE BUTTONS! lol
I clicked on modify when I modified her post and I did her post what it is when you type to get the strike thru like this I took away  what she had was the bracelets right and left [] with the letter s in the middle of it so I took that out when I edited her post and took this away I took anything that had bracelet I had to space so you know what I took out  [ s ] hope this helps out.
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Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 07, 2021, 12:51:22 pm
The Parable of the Builders…
   As I was preparing to study the parable of the builders, I read the first sentence, Matthew 7:24 “Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on the rock.  I suddenly realized that we had to know more in order to fully understand this parable.  We had to know and at least to some degree understand the teachings that precede this parable.  Since the study is centered on the parables, the preceding teachings will be simple and not as deep.  To that end, the first teaching we  have not yet touched on is Matthew 6, the giving to the poor. 

6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness[a] in front of people, to be seen by them. Otherwise, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2 So whenever you give to the poor, don’t sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be applauded by people. I assure you: They’ve got their reward! 3 But when you give to the poor, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.  What we want to focus on here is giving to the poor.

 The account of course says not to give to be seen by others but as we study more on giving we learn a bit more.  We also want to see a consistency in scripture which tells us that we are understanding it correctly.  So let’s roll up our sleeves and dig into giving.
 We are to give to the poor without making a show of it.  (Matthew 23:5)  If we make a show of it, we have already received our reward rather than to wait for God’s reward. (Luke 6:24; Luke 16:25; Luke 6:24) We are to give out of a willing heart that gives without reservation. (Matthew  10:8 )  Many people give out of compulsion, Christ teaches that we are to give out of our own hearts conviction not because of anything anyone says or does to try to convince us to give. (II Corinthians 9:7; Exodus 25:2; Deuteronomy 15:10; I Chronicles 29:9; Romans 8:12)
Our giving should be done with lavishness. It’s a giving that is generous. (Matthew 5:42; Luke 6:30)   God lavishes us with Love.  As such we too are to lavish the poor with Love.  In lavishing our Love giving, we will be measured by that same measure. (Luke 6:38)  We do not have to worry about giving it all because God generously gives to us. (Luke 11:3)  Getting away from our bondage to our possessions in exchange for giving as Christ instructs us is building treasures in heaven. (Matthew 19:21; Mark 10:21) One day someone challenged me by claiming that Christian’s don’t give as they are commanded in scripture.  I told him there were some who did and asked him what he wanted from me. He told me and I assured him I didn’t have it to give but if I did it would be his. Our giving needs to be from what God has given us, consider the woman who gave her two mites. (II Corinthians 8:12; Luke 21:1-4; Mark 12:43)
Acts 2:41-47 shows us this principle carried out in an entire body where the early believers were devoting themselves to the apostles teaching, to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer, so much so that they sold all their possessions and held everything in common so that they could care for the poor.  As we move through Acts into chapter 5:1-11 we see that God is more concerned about the truth of our hearts than the amount of our giving. 
When we give to the poor it is like giving to Christ Himself. (Matthew 10:42; Mark 9:41; Matthew 25:31-46)  We can give generously, with a willing heart, we can give for all the right reasons and in all the right ways, but the bottom line is that we need to give out of Love; Love for God and Love for the one whom we are giving to.  (I Corinthians 13:3)  A Love that is the heart of the entire law and teaching of Christ.
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Post by: Mr E on June 08, 2021, 09:38:45 am
Are you sitting down?  I can only offer an alternative perspective.

A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give at all.  'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.  So then do they go give anonymously?  Sometimes.  Some do...  Most do not.  The simply excuse themselves and say things like "I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."

In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others.  -It says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your giving or good works.  Who cares if someone sees or takes notice.  You can only do so much in secret.  Elsewhere scripture teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be seen by others.  But again, don't let that attention be what motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven for earthly accolades.  Bad trade.

The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...  Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is actually a very old principle in which the right hand is considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives) and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand that receives)  --in this the principle is to not consider what you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.  It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
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Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 08, 2021, 10:51:13 am
Are you sitting down?  I can only offer an alternative perspective.

A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give at all.  'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.  So then do they go give anonymously?  Sometimes.  Some do...  Most do not.  The simply excuse themselves and say things like "I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."

In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others.  -It says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your giving or good works.  Who cares if someone sees or takes notice.  You can only do so much in secret.  Elsewhere scripture teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be seen by others.  But again, don't let that attention be what motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven for earthly accolades.  Bad trade.

The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...  Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is actually a very old principle in which the right hand is considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives) and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand that receives)  --in this the principle is to not consider what you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.  It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
Tons of verses in what I posted talked about giving, are you just repeating what I said for emphasis or are you not reading what I post?
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Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 08, 2021, 12:24:14 pm
Matthew 6:5 “Whenever you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by people. I assure you: They’ve got their reward! 6 But when you pray, go into your private room, shut your door, and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.[c] 7 When you pray, don’t babble like the idolaters,[d] since they imagine they’ll be heard for their many words. 8 Don’t be like them, because your Father knows the things you need before you ask Him.

The teaching here about prayer is really at it;s heart,a teaching about being humble. There is a parable coming up that will go into more detail but let’s flush out some basics.  The hypocrites stand on the street corner playing long prayers for the purpose of being seen. They are prideful and arrogant and self seeking. Communal prayers are not being prohibited here.  James 5:14-16 even calls for communal prayers to be offered up.  (Matthew 18:20; Acts 12:12)  Throughout scripture we see communal prayers being offered up and some are quite long or so it feels when reading them but they are also full of humility.  Even the Lord’s prayer (Matthew 6:9-15) uses communal words. In other words, they are not being offered up for show or arrogance. In fact, length of prayer is a relative thing.  My husband was offering a heartfelt prayer one day while leading worship. Our then very young son was tired of waiting and stood on the pew and yelled at the top of his lungs, “amen”.  For him, his dad’s prayer was long and boring.
So if the key here is not the length of prayer but humility why are we to offer humble prayers.  Since God alone sees the heart and will judge on our words and actions, as our witness, we need to go before His throne in humility of heart and words. (James 4:10; I Samuel 2:3; Psalms 31:23; Psalms 101:5) If we do not humble ourselves, (Colossians 3:12; James 4:10) God will humble us. (Deuteronomy 8:2-3; Isaiah 5:15; Isaiah 10:33; II Corinthians 12:21)  In addition to being our witness, it is the prayer offered from a humble heart that God hears. (II Chronicles 7:14; Psalms 10:17)  Humility is also said to turn aways God’s wrath. (II Chronicles 12:12; II Chronicles 32:26) God absolutely cares whether or not we come to Him in humility.  It is in humility that God can work in us and through us and in that we will be exalted. (Matthew 23:12)  In fact, God is against the proud.  He is in opposition to the proud. (James 4:6; I Peter 5:5-6)  It is the arrogant that need to be quiet for they are the ones that are not afraid to lie and slander others. (Psalms 31:18) Pride is the downfall of many. (Proverbs 16:18; Malachi 4:1)  The proud and boastful cannot stand in His presence.  Such pride and arrogance is in fact sin, the same thing that separates us from God in the first place. (Psalms 5:5; Proverbs 21:4)  In fact, arrogance is one of the sinful things that man clings to when God gives them over to their own depravity. (Romans 1:26-32)  The pampered and spoiled will become proud, (Proverbs 29:21) they will never find rest. (Habakkuk 2:5)  The overseer is not to be prideful. (Titus 1:7)  It is not enough to be humble in the eyes of others or compared to others, the example of humility we are to strive for is that of Christ Himself. (Philippians 2:8 ) We instead are to offer prayers that are humble, with few words. (Ecclesiastes 5:2; Proverbs 10:19) 
The teaching ends with our the reason is because our Father already knows what we need. (as before, when we get to the actual parable of the Pharisees praying, there is much more to glean)  Which takes us straight into the Lord’s example of how to pray.  Scripture offers enough on prayer to make a whole LONG study on prayer alone.  So we are just scratching the surface here.
Matthew 6:9 “Therefore, you should pray like this:   Our Father in heaven,  Your name be honored as holy. 
Our prayers are to include worship, praise, and thanksgiving as we come before the throne of God in fear of the Lord (Proverbs 9:10) that produces a humility that allows us to come boldly and with confidence into His presence. (Ephesians 3:12; Hebrews 4:16)
10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Humility gives control over to God so that He can do what He wants in us and through us without us getting in the way. (Ephesians 4:30; Isaiah 63:10; I Thessalonians 5:19)
11 Give us today our daily bread.[e]
 
We are to ask for what we need while trusting God to provide as a young child trust his parents.  (Matthew 6:34; Luke 12:22; Philippians 4:6; I Peter 5:7; Matthew 6:8; Luke 12:34; Matthew 4:4;
12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
Scripture talks much about forgiving but maybe the one that sticks out the most here comes from our previous study, that we need to forgive even our enemy so that God can forgive us. (Matthew 5:44; Matthew 6:14-15)
13 And do not bring us into[f] temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.[g]
[For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.][h]
If our prayer is one of humility, it should be one that is more concerned about remaining righteous than having the comforts of the flesh. (James 4:14; Psalms 39:5; Psalms 78:39; Psalms 102:3; Psalms 144:4)
14 “For if you forgive people their wrongdoing, your heavenly Father will forgive you as well. 15 But if you don’t forgive people,[j] your Father will not forgive your wrongdoing
The prayer of both Love and humility is a prayer of righteousness and all the glory belongs to God never man. 
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on June 08, 2021, 03:50:48 pm
Are you sitting down?  I can only offer an alternative perspective.

A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give at all.  'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.  So then do they go give anonymously?  Sometimes.  Some do...  Most do not.  The simply excuse themselves and say things like "I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."

In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others.  -It says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your giving or good works.  Who cares if someone sees or takes notice.  You can only do so much in secret.  Elsewhere scripture teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be seen by others.  But again, don't let that attention be what motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven for earthly accolades.  Bad trade.

The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...  Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is actually a very old principle in which the right hand is considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives) and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand that receives)  --in this the principle is to not consider what you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.  It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
Tons of verses in what I posted talked about giving, are you just repeating what I said for emphasis or are you not reading what I post?

Is this a trick question?

If I hadn't read what you had wrote, why would I comment on it?

You had said that you were offering your perspective on Matthew 7 (which you referenced as the Parable of the Builders) but not before explaining what was said in Matthew 6 about giving.  You said- "I suddenly realized that we had to know more in order to fully understand this parable.  We had to know and at least to some degree understand the teachings that precede this parable."


I guess I was wondering about your "sudden realization" concerning what it was in the preceding parables (such as the perspective you offer on Matthew 6) that "we had to know" in order to fully understand Matthew 7.  Secondly, considering what you said and highlighted about the need to give (and perform acts of righteousness) in secret... how do you square that idea in Matt 6, with what precedes it in Matt 5?  (where Jesus teaches about setting your light on a stand in order for others to see)?


 
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Bladerunner on June 08, 2021, 07:09:33 pm
Are you sitting down?  I can only offer an alternative perspective.

A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give at all.  'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.  So then do they go give anonymously?  Sometimes.  Some do...  Most do not.  The simply excuse themselves and say things like "I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."

In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others.  -It says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your giving or good works.  Who cares if someone sees or takes notice.  You can only do so much in secret.  Elsewhere scripture teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be seen by others.  But again, don't let that attention be what motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven for earthly accolades.  Bad trade.

The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...  Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is actually a very old principle in which the right hand is considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives) and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand that receives)  --in this the principle is to not consider what you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.  It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
Tons of verses in what I posted talked about giving, are you just repeating what I said for emphasis or are you not reading what I post?

Is this a trick question?

If I hadn't read what you had wrote, why would I comment on it?

You had said that you were offering your perspective on Matthew 7 (which you referenced as the Parable of the Builders) but not before explaining what was said in Matthew 6 about giving.  You said- "I suddenly realized that we had to know more in order to fully understand this parable.  We had to know and at least to some degree understand the teachings that precede this parable."


I guess I was wondering about your "sudden realization" concerning what it was in the preceding parables (such as the perspective you offer on Matthew 6) that "we had to know" in order to fully understand Matthew 7.  Secondly, considering what you said and highlighted about the need to give (and perform acts of righteousness) in secret... how do you square that idea in Matt 6, with what precedes it in Matt 5?  (where Jesus teaches about setting your light on a stand in order for others to see)?


 
whoa!

Blade
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: patrick jane on June 08, 2021, 11:24:33 pm
Are you sitting down?  I can only offer an alternative perspective.

A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give at all.  'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.  So then do they go give anonymously?  Sometimes.  Some do...  Most do not.  The simply excuse themselves and say things like "I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."

In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others.  -It says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your giving or good works.  Who cares if someone sees or takes notice.  You can only do so much in secret.  Elsewhere scripture teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be seen by others.  But again, don't let that attention be what motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven for earthly accolades.  Bad trade.

The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...  Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is actually a very old principle in which the right hand is considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives) and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand that receives)  --in this the principle is to not consider what you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.  It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
I agree, Mr E - Tweedle Deedle Dee
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on June 09, 2021, 03:47:33 am
Are you sitting down?  I can only offer an alternative perspective.

A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give at all.  'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.  So then do they go give anonymously?  Sometimes.  Some do...  Most do not.  The simply excuse themselves and say things like "I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."

In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others.  -It says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your giving or good works.  Who cares if someone sees or takes notice.  You can only do so much in secret.  Elsewhere scripture teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be seen by others.  But again, don't let that attention be what motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven for earthly accolades.  Bad trade.

The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...  Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is actually a very old principle in which the right hand is considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives) and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand that receives)  --in this the principle is to not consider what you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.  It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.

I agree, Mr E - Tweedle Deedle Dee

You agree with Mr E, Tweedle Deedle Dee....  then you see, you see.

All that Lori has written can be simplified and amplified and boiled down and presented by emphasizing just one thing.  Whether you are talking about acts of righteousness, or giving, or praying out loud.... "to be seen by men" is the one and only thing that makes what is otherwise good, 'suddenly' NOT good.

And it's not that you are seen that is the problem at all.  It's that that is the reason you did it.  It's the one that seeks recognition, that seeks praise for whatever it is they do (seen or not) that loses their reward.  It has nothing to do with being seen or not seen, and everything to do with WHY folks do the things they do.

When he taught us to pray for our daily bread-- it wasn't for 'the things we need' in terms of physical sustinence.  This thinking comes from the most basic and common misunderstanding of what "bread" is... He isn't speaking of physical bread here anymore than when he mentions it elsewhere-- or at the least you have to catch that he is talking about so much more than physical bread, because--

Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.  And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry.  And the tempter came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”  But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.’”

This (above) is one of those things that you have to understand, (like that parable in Matt 13) before you can understand other things.  We know this because he told us this exactly.  He said nothing of the sort concerning Matt 7 (and what Lori calls the parable of the Builders) but the principle holds true with all parables so I am looking forward to what Lori might share in this regard.

Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 09, 2021, 07:10:46 am
Are you sitting down?  I can only offer an alternative perspective.

A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give at all.  'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.  So then do they go give anonymously?  Sometimes.  Some do...  Most do not.  The simply excuse themselves and say things like "I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."

In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others.  -It says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your giving or good works.  Who cares if someone sees or takes notice.  You can only do so much in secret.  Elsewhere scripture teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be seen by others.  But again, don't let that attention be what motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven for earthly accolades.  Bad trade.

The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...  Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is actually a very old principle in which the right hand is considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives) and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand that receives)  --in this the principle is to not consider what you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.  It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.
Tons of verses in what I posted talked about giving, are you just repeating what I said for emphasis or are you not reading what I post?

Is this a trick question?

If I hadn't read what you had wrote, why would I comment on it?

You had said that you were offering your perspective on Matthew 7 (which you referenced as the Parable of the Builders) but not before explaining what was said in Matthew 6 about giving.  You said- "I suddenly realized that we had to know more in order to fully understand this parable.  We had to know and at least to some degree understand the teachings that precede this parable."


I guess I was wondering about your "sudden realization" concerning what it was in the preceding parables (such as the perspective you offer on Matthew 6) that "we had to know" in order to fully understand Matthew 7.  Secondly, considering what you said and highlighted about the need to give (and perform acts of righteousness) in secret... how do you square that idea in Matt 6, with what precedes it in Matt 5?  (where Jesus teaches about setting your light on a stand in order for others to see)?


 
The parable itself starts with those who have ears to hear and do the things I'm teaching...how then can we understand what follows if we don't first understand what is being taught that we are to obey?

BTW, my understanding being what God reveals to me through study, not just me taking the topic and saying, "I think it means..." but actually looking at scripture and the consistencies therein.

What is there to reconcile that I didn't already show in the context of scripture?  You lost me in what you are asking about what precedes in Matthew 5 about the light of the world...we are to live out what we believe with a humble heart...what is the inconsistency you want me to address?  It seems straight forward to me.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 09, 2021, 07:19:53 am
Are you sitting down?  I can only offer an alternative perspective.

A great many people use this teaching as an excuse to not give at all.  'I'm sorry... I cannot give (to this, or that) because I don't want anyone to know, or anyone to find out, or anyone to see me giving, because then I would lose my reward in heaven.  So then do they go give anonymously?  Sometimes.  Some do...  Most do not.  The simply excuse themselves and say things like "I give in secret" or "I give elsewhere."

In the parable it does NOT say, don't give (don't practice righteousness) -- don't do good works in front of others.  -It says don't let 'being seen by others' be the reason for your giving or good works.  Who cares if someone sees or takes notice.  You can only do so much in secret.  Elsewhere scripture teaches us to let our light shine so that our good works will be seen by others.  But again, don't let that attention be what motivates or captivates you, because you will become captive to it and in that way you will lose (trade) your reward in heaven for earthly accolades.  Bad trade.

The teaching is to give 'open-handedly' or without thinking...  Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing is actually a very old principle in which the right hand is considered the hand you extend to another (the hand that gives) and the left hand is the hand you keep to yourself (the hand that receives)  --in this the principle is to not consider what you give to be a determining factor in what you have received.  It's kind of the opposite of tithing-- which was the prevalent way of calculating what one was 'required' to give by both lawmakers and tax collectors alike in the temple system.

I agree, Mr E - Tweedle Deedle Dee

You agree with Mr E, Tweedle Deedle Dee....  then you see, you see.

All that Lori has written can be simplified and amplified and boiled down and presented by emphasizing just one thing.  Whether you are talking about acts of righteousness, or giving, or praying out loud.... "to be seen by men" is the one and only thing that makes what is otherwise good, 'suddenly' NOT good.
I was asked to present a study on the parables of Christ, how can I do that if all I am asked by you to do is read the parable then say what seems obvious without scripture to back it up and expand on the truth of scripture?
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And it's not that you are seen that is the problem at all.  It's that that is the reason you did it.  It's the one that seeks recognition, that seeks praise for whatever it is they do (seen or not) that loses their reward.  It has nothing to do with being seen or not seen, and everything to do with WHY folks do the things they do.
again, that is in the study, I even talk about examples in scripture where public prayer was offered and accepted by God...you know, scripture, not opinion...
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When he taught us to pray for our daily bread-- it wasn't for 'the things we need' in terms of physical sustinence.  This thinking comes from the most basic and common misunderstanding of what "bread" is... He isn't speaking of physical bread here anymore than when he mentions it elsewhere-- or at the least you have to catch that he is talking about so much more than physical bread, because--
which is why I included in the study the passage about man not living by bread alone...so again I wonder if you even read what I posted since all this "summary" is included in the study but you act like it isn't.
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Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.  And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry.  And the tempter came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”  But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.’”
a passage I once again included in the study...here is the thing you are missing...I welcome discussion, I am not fond of people making baseless accusations when the evidence is right there to begin with.
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This (above) is one of those things that you have to understand, (like that parable in Matt 13) before you can understand other things.  We know this because he told us this exactly.  He said nothing of the sort concerning Matt 7 (and what Lori calls the parable of the Builders) but the principle holds true with all parables so I am looking forward to what Lori might share in this regard.
I don't even know what that means...the parable of the builders...first line...24 “Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on the rock. ...now how can we continue in the parable and understand it if we don't know what teaching He is referring to to begin with?
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 09, 2021, 09:54:17 am
Fasting...
Matthew 6:16 “Whenever you fast, don’t be sad-faced like the hypocrites. For they make their faces unattractive[l] so their fasting is obvious to people. I assure you: They’ve got their reward! 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head, and wash your face, 18 so that you don’t show your fasting to people but to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.[m]

This teaching seems straight forward, don’t fast for the sake of others seeing what you are doing.  A very similar teaching to that of prayer, do so in humility not for show but for the Lord.  The first thing I want to point out here is about anointing the head with oil.  This is like a perfumed custom of the time, kind of like saying today, get up, wash your face, put on deodorant and get dressed.  If we look throughout scripture, fasting is often associated with sackcloth and ashes or even mourning which makes this significant to the teaching.  (Nehemiah 1:4; Nehemiah 9:1; Esther 9:31; Psalms 35:13; Psalms 109:24) Where we may be mourning the sin, repenting in sackcloth and ashes, we are not to make a show of it. 
The fast is for seeking the Lord, turning all the attention to Him. (Jeremiah 36:6; Daniel 9:3; Joel 2:12)  If up to this point you have not been reading the passages that go along with the text, I urge you to do so with this one.  Isaiah 58 is all about fasting, the wrong way and the right way.  Let’s start by reviewing verses 3 and 4.  We are told that the people were fasting but complaining because God wasn’t doing what they wanted.  Their fasts were about self denial all the while they were doing what they wanted.  In other words, they were denying themselves food but nothing else.  When we crucify self, (Galatians 5:24; Romans 8:13-14) we are to deny ourselves of the sinful desires, the passions of the flesh, we are to crucify the sin nature that we were born with.  The people however were only denying themselves of food and were in fact, doing anything else they wanted to do, including but not limited to oppressing their slaves, with contention and strife in their hearts, and with vicious fighting.  As we move on through the passage we come to verses 6-8 where we are told what fasting should be.  The fasting that God wants from us is about breaking the chains of wickedness, to lighten the yoke that we wear.  (Matthew 11:30; I John 5:3) It is to set the oppressed free, to share your food with the hungry, to clothe those that are naked.  It is about doing God’s business, Loving the least of these.  (Matthew 25:40-45)  So once again, the teaching Jesus is referring to is to serve Him in humility, not for self glory but to the glory of the Living God.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 11, 2021, 11:39:37 am
God and Possessions
Matthew 6:19 “Don’t collect for yourselves treasures[n] on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But collect for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves don’t break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
   We know what earthly treasures are, money, possessions like cars, boats, houses, even heirlooms, things that we cannot take with us when we die. (James 5:1-6)  But what are the treasures of heaven?  Psalms 83:3 talks about God’s treasured ones, people are treasures which took me back to the parable (not yet looked at) of the Lost Sheep.  In the parable, the shepherd has 100 sheep but one is lost.  The shepherd leaves the 99 to go look for the one that is lost and when it is found, the real rejoicing begins. (Matthew 18:10-14) Of course there are other such accounts in scripture but the key point here is that true believers are treasures to God and worthy of our rejoicing.  We touched on how believers are treasures in heaven and how rejoicing with God over the lost who become saved is important, but also consider this passage in Mark 16:15-16 and the previous study we did on the salt and light.  We are God’s ambassadors for a reason.  (II Corinthians 5:20)
God’s word is also a treasure we need to store up in our hearts, (Psalms 119:11) as are the promises of God.  (Psalms 119:162) It is little wonder that scripture tells us to study the word, (II Timothy 2:15) as well as hiding His word in our hearts.  (Psalms 119:11-16)  Interestingly enough Jesus is one of the promises of God, the Messiah. (Colossians 2:3)
Another treasure is wisdom from God, (Proverbs 2:1-5) even knowledge of the Living God is a heavenly treasure. (Proverbs 20:15; Proverbs 24:3-4)  The fear of the Lord is not only a heavenly treasure but enhances our heavenly treasures. (Isaiah 33:6; Proverbs 15:16)  The wisdom of God is not out of reach however, it is given to all who ask for it without God finding fault. (James 1:5-6)  Wisdom begins with our fear of the Lord. (Proverbs 9:10)
   The fear of the Lord is not only the beginning of wisdom but is a treasure all on it’s own..  Many people do not understand what the fear of the Lord is.  Psalms 34:11-22 tells us that the fear of the Lord is that which stirs us, drives us to righteousness.  I once heard a Rabbi say that to the Jews, sin was temporary insanity because you would have to be insane to know who God is and still sin.  This is the mentality that is presented in the teaching on the fear of the Lord.  So one of the treasures we can lay up for ourselves is the fear of the Lord, well, the righteousness that follows that fear.
   One of the ways to lay up for yourself treasures in heaven is to give to the poor, but not just giving to the poor but giving from all that you own not just the excess. (Matthew 19:21; Mark 10:21; Luke 12:33; Luke 18:22)  Hebrews 11:26 even tells us that reproach because of Christ, is a treasure as well.  We need to Love God more than the wealth we can store up on earth, wealth that we cannot take with us and will eventually disappear.
   Finally, consider II Corinthians 4:7-18, the treasures that are from above, treasures like Christ and the word of God, are stored in earthen vessels.  What are earthen vessels?  Our flesh.  This was designed by God so that the power of God could be revealed through our weakness.  (II Corinthians 12:9-11) which once again takes us back where we started, living out the faith that we have, but let us add here that it is living it out in power and might. (II Timothy 3:5; II Thessalonians 3:6) This happens because our flesh shares in Jesus' suffering so that the life of Christ might also be witnessed.  (I Peter 2:21; I Peter 4:13; Romans 8:17-18; II Corinthians 1:5; II Corinthians 4:10; Philippians 3:10; II Corinthians 6:3-13) Life on earth is not suppose to be heaven on earth, (John 16:33; Acts 14:22) but rather an opportunity to show the world not just tell the world the Love and power of the Living God.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 14, 2021, 09:54:01 am
The Lamp of the body...
Matthew 6:22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. So if the light within you is darkness—how deep is that darkness!
   I expected when I did this one to find it exceptionally easy.  The problem was that grief overtook me as to those who are living in this darkness, a darkness they don’t even realize they are living in.  So I took extra time to not only pray for them and to examine myself to look for any hidden darkness, but also to look for ways to combat it.  There is a saying, ‘there are none so blind as those who will not see.’  This saying applies here.  For the one who willingly allows himself to be blind, it’s a double whammy which we ware about to find out. 
   My grandfather became blind later in life. One day after Christmas, it was my job to lead him to the car while we waited for my grandmother and  aunt to finish their business at a lock department store (chain store)  The crowds were so massive that even though I held his hand, he ended up on one side of the door and I on the other, desperately trying to hold on so he knew I was there while the crowds pushed on through without caring or helping us to be together so we could get out of their way.  Deuteronomy 27:18 tells us that the one who leads a blind person astray is cursed.  More times than not, the willingly blind is the one who thinks they are not blind but furthermore they think they are great teachers who cannot learn anything.  Romans 2:17-24 talks about the blind who are hypocrites because they do not learn from what they teach to others.  Meanwhile, like the Pharisees, many of the blind presume it is their job and calling to teach. (Matthew 23:1-39)  God takes them seriously. (Matthew 18:6) leading others astray is not tolerated and will be punished.
   So who are the blind? Isaiah 29:9-24 talks about the blind being those that worship God with their words but their hearts are far from Him, but remember it is from our hearts that our actions flow, so they are the hypocrites that say do this, follow that, but then act as if they themselves are above the law. (Luke 6:45)  It goes on to say that the blind person is the one that worship man made rules.  They are legalistic and follow teachers rather than the One True Teacher, Jesus Christ.  They try to hide what they are doing from God, doing their works in darkness all the while blaming God and making excuses.  The Pharisees are a perfect example of the willfully blind. (Matthew 23:16-17)  II Peter 1:9 adds to our understanding of who the blind are when it talks about the blind are those that lack faith, goodness, knowledge, self control, endurance, godliness, brotherly affection, and Love. There are all things the faithful will be growing in but are found lacking in the blind.  It further says that the blind have forgotten the cleansing they had from their past sins.  The blind hate their brother. (I John 2:11) The darkness has blinded their eyes and they cannot see because of the hate they harbor in their hearts.  Likewise the blind see themselves as the provider of their needs. (Revelation 3:14-22) They are those who knew God but neither glorified Him as God or showed any gratitude to Him.  (Romans 1:21)
   The blind stay blind because they love darkness more than the light since their deeds are evil. (John 3:19) Sometimes it is because of ignorance or hardened hearts that keeps them blind, (Ephesians 4:18) which takes us back to the  previous teaching on the need to be humble. If they/we stay in darkness, it will overtake us like a thief. (I Thessalonians 5:4-5)  As sad of a state of blindness is, these have a hope and that hope is the Lord Jesus Christ.  (Matthew 4:16)  If however, they remain in their darkness, they themselves will be thrown into outer darkness. (Matthew 8:12) 
The problem is that we need to have our whole body full of light and this is an ongoing thing in which we are to work it out daily. (Luke 11:36; Philippians 2:12; John 1:5; John 12:46)  Jesus Christ is the light that we need to chase the darkness from within.  (I John 1:5-6)  When we follow Jesus, (John 8:12) when we believe in Him and the power of His Love, (John 12:46) the blindness sees the light.  Sometimes we need someone who is sent by God Himself to share Christ with us. (Acts 26:12-23) It takes discarding the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light that chases away the darkness that causes our blindness. (Romans 13:12) Those in the light, walk with decency, putting off the things of the world. (Romans 13:11-14) If we are the one’s living in darkness, we need to be rescued from the darkness by Christ, no one else can do it for us. (Colossians 1:13; I Peter 2:9)
Finally, the one living in light will live in an open display of truth. (II Corinthians 4:1-6) We not only will walk as children of the light, but we will expose the darkness around us. (Ephesians 5:8) We are not fighting a battle of this earthly making but of the spiritual. (Ephesians 6:12) and as such, we live in the Light of Christ. (I Peter 2:9)
I think the last line of this teaching is a haunting reminder of why this is so important.  So if the light within you is darkness—how deep is that darkness!  Indeed there are few things in this world that are sadder than those who have deceived themselves in their pride, to think they have the light when the darkness within is so consuming that they no longer look to or for the light.  This is a consuming darkness that they willingly accept and live in.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on June 25, 2021, 12:39:08 pm
Slave to Two Masters...
Matthew 6:24 “No one can be a slave of two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot be slaves of God and of money.
First some background.  In Biblical times the most common form of slavery was that of the indentured servant.  The person would owe money and thus “sell” himself out as a slave to pay for the debt.  One example of this though it was not a debt but what Jacob wanted is found in Genesis 28.  Jacob is in love with Rachel and wants to marry her so he gives himself to her father as a servant in exchange for her hand in marriage.  Of course, as the story goes, he is tricked into marrying her sister and thus pledges himself to her father for another seven years of service in order to marry Rachel.  When talking about slavery in Biblical days this is the most common and well-understood meaning for what a servant is, a bondservant who is paying of a debt of some kind or in the case of Jacob, purchasing something. 
There are many teachings in scripture about being a slave, things like submitting to your master.  (Titus 2:9; I Peter 2:18) Consider your master worthy of honor. (I Timothy 2:9; I Timothy 6:1) Even obedience to the master. (Ephesians 6:5-6; Colossians 3:22)  In a world that sees slavery as an evil thing, something that is detestable, the early church taught that being a slave was another opportunity to live out our faith. The teaching doesn’t stop there though, it goes on to talk about those who want to be first must become slaves. (Matthew 20:27; Mark 10:44)  That the slave cannot become greater than the master, thus a place of humility. (Matthew 10:25)  The Lord’s servant is not to be unequally yoked with wickedness, or the fruitless deeds of darkness. Rather wickedness is to be exposed. (II Corinthians 6:14-17; Ephesians 5:11)
One of the most intriguing passages to me about the slave or bondservant is found in the law. Deuteronomy 15:16-17 (HCSB) 12 “If your fellow Hebrew, a man or woman, is sold to you and serves you six years, you must set him free in the seventh year. 13 When you set him free, do not send him away empty-handed. 14 Give generously to him from your flock, your threshing floor, and your winepress. You are to give him whatever the Lord your God has blessed you with. 15 Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you; that is why I am giving you this command today. 16 But if your slave says to you, ‘I don’t want to leave you,’ because he loves you and your family, and is well off with you, 17 take an awl and pierce through his ear into the door, and he will become your slave for life. Also treat your female slave the same way. 18 Do not regard it as a hardship[d] when you set him free, because he worked for you six years—worth twice the wages of a hired hand. Then the Lord your God will bless you in everything you do. (Exodus 21:5) The slave has a right to choose if he stays with the master or leaves.  A pierced ear is a sign of willful slavery. 
When we apply this understanding of slavery to passages about being a slave to sin or to righteousness, it enhances our understanding of these passages.  For example, Romans 6:20 tells us that if we are a slave to sin, we are free from the obligation to righteousness.  Likewise, Romans 6:16 tells us we are a slave to whatever we obey, whether a slave to sin or to righteousness.  We choose which to have as our master, whose doorpost so to speak we want to be pierced on.  We can give ourselves to God or to wickedness, but not both. (Romans 6:13)  We begin by being sold into slavery to sin, but choose to remain a slave to sin or to be a slave of the Living God. (Romans 7:14)
The Pharisees who were lovers of money show us the dangers of piercing our ears on the doorpost of money. (Luke 16:14) They sold God for profit. (II Corinthians 2:17; Titus 1:10-16)  This love of money is only going to get worse as the day of the Lord approaches. (II Timothy 3:1-3) The key to being free from the Love of money is to learn to be satisfied with what you have (Hebrews 13:5; Philippians 4:11-13; Luke 3:14; Luke 12:15; I Timothy 6:6-8; Hebrews 13:5) and to trust God to provide you with what you need. (Matthew 6:8; Matthew 6:25-34; Luke 12:29-31)
Christ sets us free from our slavery to sin. (II Peter 2:19) In order to remain free from sin and slaves to Christ, we need to stand firm, refrain from submitting ourselves to sin again.  It is to not make excuses to indulge the flesh. It means we live in the obedience Love. (Galatians 5; John 8:32)  Our slavery is one in which we proclaim freedom to the captives and recover sight to the blind. (Luke 4:18)  When we enslave ourselves to God, we become sons of God, a son that is forever part of the household, just as the slave that pierces his ear on the master’s doorpost. (John 8:30-47)  So how can we learn to be satisfied and trust God so that we do not love money and allow ourselves to be slaves only to God?  We learn to be satisfied (Hebrews 13:5)  and trust by accepting the Lord Jesus Christ and living in that freedom He gives. (Romans 8:1-2; I Corinthians 7:22; II Corinthians 3:17; Revelation 1:5) By understanding that we received Christ free of charge, therefore we need to share Him free of charge as well. (Matthew 10:8; I Corinthians 9:18-19)  It involves crucifying the fleshly desires. (Romans 6:6-8; I Peter 2:16)  Eventually, all of creation will be set free from the bondage of corruption but our freedom can begin in this life as we grow into maturity of the faith. (Romans 8:21)
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on July 02, 2021, 11:35:31 am
The Cure for Anxiety...
Matthew 6:25 “This is why I tell you: Don’t worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Isn’t life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the sky: They don’t sow or reap or gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Aren’t you worth more than they? 27 Can any of you add a single cubit to his height
 
   When I first began looking at this teaching, I wondered what could be added to our understanding of such a simple truth, GOD is our PROVIDER.  It didn’t take long to figure out that there was more to glean if we just looked.  So let’s jump in.  Don’t worry...we already talked about this and how we can’t add anything to our lives by worrying.  (Luke 10:38-42; Luke 12:11; Philippians 4:6; I Peter 5:7)  Each of these passages deserves our full attention but there is more to get to so I will leave that to the reader. 
   We are not to worry about what to eat or drink.  Food and water are essential to life yet we are not to worry about them.  I remember the day our three oldest kids were young and we had left everything to follow God’s call on our life.  That particular day we had a can of green beans and a little bread and nothing more for three growing and hungry boys.  I know full well how hard it is to trust God with our daily bread, I have lived it many times over but I can also testify to how liberating it is to simply trust Him with our needs.  Didn’t He send manna and quail?  (Exodus 15:22-16:1-36)  But Deuteronomy 8:3 puts a unique spin on the entire account when it says, (HCSB) He humbled you by letting you go hungry; then He gave you manna to eat, which you and your fathers had not known, so that you might learn that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.  There was a greater purpose to God providing manna, quail, even water and that greater purpose was to teach the children of Israel that there is so much more to life than simple survival and that greater is God Himself and every word that He speaks.  Throughout scripture we see this teaching but it would seem we seldom spend time meditating on what it means. (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; I Corinthians 10:1-13) Consider I Corinthians 10:31 (HCSB) Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for God’s glory.  When we go back to the previous lessons, what we see is that it is about God NOT about us.  When we get this right, all things fall into place.  When we figure out that it is about God not about us and our fleshly needs we begin to seek God and when we seek Him and His Kingdom, ALL these things will be added.  (Matthew 6:33)
   Next we come to clothes, we are not to worry about what we will wear.  What a beautiful picture of the birds of the air and flowers of the field, some of each are so beautiful that it is hard to describe in words just how brilliant the colors, how clear the contrasts and compliments and yet we are more important than these.  Like the food and drink that is talking about more than just our fleshly needs, the clothes we wear is not just about the flesh.  We are to put on sackcloth and ashes.  In Biblical days, one used sackcloth and ashes to demonstrate their brokenness and repentance of the sins they had committed.  It was an outward show of an inward condition.  (Genesis 37:34)  When we wash our clothes in the blood of the Lamb, in other words come to Christ broken, in sackcloth and ashes for garments, He gives us a white robe, wedding clothes.  (Exodus 19:14; Matthew 22:12; Mark 9:3; I Peter 3:3; Revelation 3:4-18)  When we fail to grasp these concepts, it is because we lack faith. (Matthew 6:30)  When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25)
   So what then is the lesson...obviously the lesson is not to worry, but it is the why that is most intriguing to me.  Matthew 6:32 For the idolaters eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
First because God already knows what we need, even before we ask Him.  (Jeremiah 45:5; Matthew 6:8; Philippians 4:19; Romans 2:4; II Corinthians 9:8)  When we are able to shift our focus from the things of the flesh to the things of God we begin to discover freedom and life beyond our wildest dreams.  It’s about trust.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you.
Secondly, He has made a promise to you and He will keep His promises.  That promise is that if you do shift your focus and seek Him and His Kingdom which is wherever the Spirit is, all these things, the food, drink, and clothes that the flesh needs will be given to you.  One of the ways God shows His Love to us is by being our Father, a Father that looks out for us and cares for us.  (Matthew 7:11; Psalms 84:11; Luke 11:13; Romans 8:32; James 1:17)
34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
And lastly, because today has enough struggle and difficulties, there is nothing beneficial from looking ahead to the struggles yet to come.  Focus in the moment of finding a way to glorify God in the current struggle and let that struggle yet to come be dealt with when God takes you to that moment.  (John 16:33; John 14:27; John 15:18; Acts 14:22; Romans 8:37) Trusting God to be the provider of all that is good,  (I Timothy 6:17-19) not just with the things of the flesh but the things of both the flesh and the spirit.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Bladerunner on July 03, 2021, 09:31:24 pm
The Cure for Anxiety...
Matthew 6:25 “This is why I tell you: Don’t worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Isn’t life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the sky: They don’t sow or reap or gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Aren’t you worth more than they? 27 Can any of you add a single cubit to his height
  • by worrying? 28 And why do you worry about clothes? Learn how the wildflowers of the field grow: they don’t labor or spin thread. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was adorned like one of these! 30 If that’s how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and thrown into the furnace tomorrow, won’t He do much more for you—you of little faith? 31 So don’t worry, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ 32 For the idolaters[p] eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God[q] and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you. 34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 
   When I first began looking at this teaching, I wondered what could be added to our understanding of such a simple truth, GOD is our PROVIDER.  It didn’t take long to figure out that there was more to glean if we just looked.  So let’s jump in.  Don’t worry...we already talked about this and how we can’t add anything to our lives by worrying.  (Luke 10:38-42; Luke 12:11; Philippians 4:6; I Peter 5:7)  Each of these passages deserves our full attention but there is more to get to so I will leave that to the reader. 
   We are not to worry about what to eat or drink.  Food and water are essential to life yet we are not to worry about them.  I remember the day our three oldest kids were young and we had left everything to follow God’s call on our life.  That particular day we had a can of green beans and a little bread and nothing more for three growing and hungry boys.  I know full well how hard it is to trust God with our daily bread, I have lived it many times over but I can also testify to how liberating it is to simply trust Him with our needs.  Didn’t He send manna and quail?  (Exodus 15:22-16:1-36)  But Deuteronomy 8:3 puts a unique spin on the entire account when it says, (HCSB) He humbled you by letting you go hungry; then He gave you manna to eat, which you and your fathers had not known, so that you might learn that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.  There was a greater purpose to God providing manna, quail, even water and that greater purpose was to teach the children of Israel that there is so much more to life than simple survival and that greater is God Himself and every word that He speaks.  Throughout scripture we see this teaching but it would seem we seldom spend time meditating on what it means. (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; I Corinthians 10:1-13) Consider I Corinthians 10:31 (HCSB) Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for God’s glory.  When we go back to the previous lessons, what we see is that it is about God NOT about us.  When we get this right, all things fall into place.  When we figure out that it is about God not about us and our fleshly needs we begin to seek God and when we seek Him and His Kingdom, ALL these things will be added.  (Matthew 6:33)
   Next we come to clothes, we are not to worry about what we will wear.  What a beautiful picture of the birds of the air and flowers of the field, some of each are so beautiful that it is hard to describe in words just how brilliant the colors, how clear the contrasts and compliments and yet we are more important than these.  Like the food and drink that is talking about more than just our fleshly needs, the clothes we wear is not just about the flesh.  We are to put on sackcloth and ashes.  In Biblical days, one used sackcloth and ashes to demonstrate their brokenness and repentance of the sins they had committed.  It was an outward show of an inward condition.  (Genesis 37:34)  When we wash our clothes in the blood of the Lamb, in other words come to Christ broken, in sackcloth and ashes for garments, He gives us a white robe, wedding clothes.  (Exodus 19:14; Matthew 22:12; Mark 9:3; I Peter 3:3; Revelation 3:4-18)  When we fail to grasp these concepts, it is because we lack faith. (Matthew 6:30)  When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25)
   So what then is the lesson...obviously the lesson is not to worry, but it is the why that is most intriguing to me.  Matthew 6:32 For the idolaters eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
First because God already knows what we need, even before we ask Him.  (Jeremiah 45:5; Matthew 6:8; Philippians 4:19; Romans 2:4; II Corinthians 9:8)  When we are able to shift our focus from the things of the flesh to the things of God we begin to discover freedom and life beyond our wildest dreams.  It’s about trust.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you.
Secondly, He has made a promise to you and He will keep His promises.  That promise is that if you do shift your focus and seek Him and His Kingdom which is wherever the Spirit is, all these things, the food, drink, and clothes that the flesh needs will be given to you.  One of the ways God shows His Love to us is by being our Father, a Father that looks out for us and cares for us.  (Matthew 7:11; Psalms 84:11; Luke 11:13; Romans 8:32; James 1:17)
34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
And lastly, because today has enough struggle and difficulties, there is nothing beneficial from looking ahead to the struggles yet to come.  Focus in the moment of finding a way to glorify God in the current struggle and let that struggle yet to come be dealt with when God takes you to that moment.  (John 16:33; John 14:27; John 15:18; Acts 14:22; Romans 8:37) Trusting God to be the provider of all that is good,  (I Timothy 6:17-19) not just with the things of the flesh but the things of both the flesh and the spirit.

You said and wrongly so:"When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25) "

God does not need our Help...It is we who needs His help. As a servant, we follow his commands in obedience not help him out out of the goodness of our heart.

"Help" is used 126 time in 117 verses  in the KJV and not once does it say that We are to Help God!
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on July 04, 2021, 12:43:18 pm
The Cure for Anxiety...
Matthew 6:25 “This is why I tell you: Don’t worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Isn’t life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the sky: They don’t sow or reap or gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Aren’t you worth more than they? 27 Can any of you add a single cubit to his height
  • by worrying? 28 And why do you worry about clothes? Learn how the wildflowers of the field grow: they don’t labor or spin thread. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was adorned like one of these! 30 If that’s how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and thrown into the furnace tomorrow, won’t He do much more for you—you of little faith? 31 So don’t worry, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ 32 For the idolaters[p] eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God[q] and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you. 34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 
   When I first began looking at this teaching, I wondered what could be added to our understanding of such a simple truth, GOD is our PROVIDER.  It didn’t take long to figure out that there was more to glean if we just looked.  So let’s jump in.  Don’t worry...we already talked about this and how we can’t add anything to our lives by worrying.  (Luke 10:38-42; Luke 12:11; Philippians 4:6; I Peter 5:7)  Each of these passages deserves our full attention but there is more to get to so I will leave that to the reader. 
   We are not to worry about what to eat or drink.  Food and water are essential to life yet we are not to worry about them.  I remember the day our three oldest kids were young and we had left everything to follow God’s call on our life.  That particular day we had a can of green beans and a little bread and nothing more for three growing and hungry boys.  I know full well how hard it is to trust God with our daily bread, I have lived it many times over but I can also testify to how liberating it is to simply trust Him with our needs.  Didn’t He send manna and quail?  (Exodus 15:22-16:1-36)  But Deuteronomy 8:3 puts a unique spin on the entire account when it says, (HCSB) He humbled you by letting you go hungry; then He gave you manna to eat, which you and your fathers had not known, so that you might learn that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.  There was a greater purpose to God providing manna, quail, even water and that greater purpose was to teach the children of Israel that there is so much more to life than simple survival and that greater is God Himself and every word that He speaks.  Throughout scripture we see this teaching but it would seem we seldom spend time meditating on what it means. (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; I Corinthians 10:1-13) Consider I Corinthians 10:31 (HCSB) Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for God’s glory.  When we go back to the previous lessons, what we see is that it is about God NOT about us.  When we get this right, all things fall into place.  When we figure out that it is about God not about us and our fleshly needs we begin to seek God and when we seek Him and His Kingdom, ALL these things will be added.  (Matthew 6:33)
   Next we come to clothes, we are not to worry about what we will wear.  What a beautiful picture of the birds of the air and flowers of the field, some of each are so beautiful that it is hard to describe in words just how brilliant the colors, how clear the contrasts and compliments and yet we are more important than these.  Like the food and drink that is talking about more than just our fleshly needs, the clothes we wear is not just about the flesh.  We are to put on sackcloth and ashes.  In Biblical days, one used sackcloth and ashes to demonstrate their brokenness and repentance of the sins they had committed.  It was an outward show of an inward condition.  (Genesis 37:34)  When we wash our clothes in the blood of the Lamb, in other words come to Christ broken, in sackcloth and ashes for garments, He gives us a white robe, wedding clothes.  (Exodus 19:14; Matthew 22:12; Mark 9:3; I Peter 3:3; Revelation 3:4-18)  When we fail to grasp these concepts, it is because we lack faith. (Matthew 6:30)  When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25)
   So what then is the lesson...obviously the lesson is not to worry, but it is the why that is most intriguing to me.  Matthew 6:32 For the idolaters eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
First because God already knows what we need, even before we ask Him.  (Jeremiah 45:5; Matthew 6:8; Philippians 4:19; Romans 2:4; II Corinthians 9:8)  When we are able to shift our focus from the things of the flesh to the things of God we begin to discover freedom and life beyond our wildest dreams.  It’s about trust.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you.
Secondly, He has made a promise to you and He will keep His promises.  That promise is that if you do shift your focus and seek Him and His Kingdom which is wherever the Spirit is, all these things, the food, drink, and clothes that the flesh needs will be given to you.  One of the ways God shows His Love to us is by being our Father, a Father that looks out for us and cares for us.  (Matthew 7:11; Psalms 84:11; Luke 11:13; Romans 8:32; James 1:17)
34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
And lastly, because today has enough struggle and difficulties, there is nothing beneficial from looking ahead to the struggles yet to come.  Focus in the moment of finding a way to glorify God in the current struggle and let that struggle yet to come be dealt with when God takes you to that moment.  (John 16:33; John 14:27; John 15:18; Acts 14:22; Romans 8:37) Trusting God to be the provider of all that is good,  (I Timothy 6:17-19) not just with the things of the flesh but the things of both the flesh and the spirit.

You said and wrongly so:"When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25) "

God does not need our Help...It is we who needs His help. As a servant, we follow his commands in obedience not help him out out of the goodness of our heart.

"Help" is used 126 time in 117 verses  in the KJV and not once does it say that We are to Help God!
So you disagree with Matthew 25...thanks for letting us know that scripture is not your authority, I will disagree with you and trust that Matthew 25 was intended by God to be included in scripture because it is there.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on July 04, 2021, 01:30:43 pm
He’s right Lori— Matt 25 has nothing to do with the point you are trying to make.

‘To him who has much, more will be given and to him who has little, the little he has, even that will be taken away.’

I’ve heard other false teachers use this same passage to say ‘God helps those who help themselves’ and also by prosperity teachers to convince folks to “invest” in their ministry.

God has no need of your money. He has no need of your help.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on July 04, 2021, 01:33:15 pm
The Cure for Anxiety...
Matthew 6:25 “This is why I tell you: Don’t worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Isn’t life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the sky: They don’t sow or reap or gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Aren’t you worth more than they? 27 Can any of you add a single cubit to his height
  • by worrying? 28 And why do you worry about clothes? Learn how the wildflowers of the field grow: they don’t labor or spin thread. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was adorned like one of these! 30 If that’s how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and thrown into the furnace tomorrow, won’t He do much more for you—you of little faith? 31 So don’t worry, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ 32 For the idolaters[p] eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God[q] and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you. 34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 
   When I first began looking at this teaching, I wondered what could be added to our understanding of such a simple truth, GOD is our PROVIDER.  It didn’t take long to figure out that there was more to glean if we just looked.  So let’s jump in.  Don’t worry...we already talked about this and how we can’t add anything to our lives by worrying.  (Luke 10:38-42; Luke 12:11; Philippians 4:6; I Peter 5:7)  Each of these passages deserves our full attention but there is more to get to so I will leave that to the reader. 
   We are not to worry about what to eat or drink.  Food and water are essential to life yet we are not to worry about them.  I remember the day our three oldest kids were young and we had left everything to follow God’s call on our life.  That particular day we had a can of green beans and a little bread and nothing more for three growing and hungry boys.  I know full well how hard it is to trust God with our daily bread, I have lived it many times over but I can also testify to how liberating it is to simply trust Him with our needs.  Didn’t He send manna and quail?  (Exodus 15:22-16:1-36)  But Deuteronomy 8:3 puts a unique spin on the entire account when it says, (HCSB) He humbled you by letting you go hungry; then He gave you manna to eat, which you and your fathers had not known, so that you might learn that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.  There was a greater purpose to God providing manna, quail, even water and that greater purpose was to teach the children of Israel that there is so much more to life than simple survival and that greater is God Himself and every word that He speaks.  Throughout scripture we see this teaching but it would seem we seldom spend time meditating on what it means. (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; I Corinthians 10:1-13) Consider I Corinthians 10:31 (HCSB) Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for God’s glory.  When we go back to the previous lessons, what we see is that it is about God NOT about us.  When we get this right, all things fall into place.  When we figure out that it is about God not about us and our fleshly needs we begin to seek God and when we seek Him and His Kingdom, ALL these things will be added.  (Matthew 6:33)
   Next we come to clothes, we are not to worry about what we will wear.  What a beautiful picture of the birds of the air and flowers of the field, some of each are so beautiful that it is hard to describe in words just how brilliant the colors, how clear the contrasts and compliments and yet we are more important than these.  Like the food and drink that is talking about more than just our fleshly needs, the clothes we wear is not just about the flesh.  We are to put on sackcloth and ashes.  In Biblical days, one used sackcloth and ashes to demonstrate their brokenness and repentance of the sins they had committed.  It was an outward show of an inward condition.  (Genesis 37:34)  When we wash our clothes in the blood of the Lamb, in other words come to Christ broken, in sackcloth and ashes for garments, He gives us a white robe, wedding clothes.  (Exodus 19:14; Matthew 22:12; Mark 9:3; I Peter 3:3; Revelation 3:4-18)  When we fail to grasp these concepts, it is because we lack faith. (Matthew 6:30)  When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25)
   So what then is the lesson...obviously the lesson is not to worry, but it is the why that is most intriguing to me.  Matthew 6:32 For the idolaters eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
First because God already knows what we need, even before we ask Him.  (Jeremiah 45:5; Matthew 6:8; Philippians 4:19; Romans 2:4; II Corinthians 9:8)  When we are able to shift our focus from the things of the flesh to the things of God we begin to discover freedom and life beyond our wildest dreams.  It’s about trust.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you.
Secondly, He has made a promise to you and He will keep His promises.  That promise is that if you do shift your focus and seek Him and His Kingdom which is wherever the Spirit is, all these things, the food, drink, and clothes that the flesh needs will be given to you.  One of the ways God shows His Love to us is by being our Father, a Father that looks out for us and cares for us.  (Matthew 7:11; Psalms 84:11; Luke 11:13; Romans 8:32; James 1:17)
34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
And lastly, because today has enough struggle and difficulties, there is nothing beneficial from looking ahead to the struggles yet to come.  Focus in the moment of finding a way to glorify God in the current struggle and let that struggle yet to come be dealt with when God takes you to that moment.  (John 16:33; John 14:27; John 15:18; Acts 14:22; Romans 8:37) Trusting God to be the provider of all that is good,  (I Timothy 6:17-19) not just with the things of the flesh but the things of both the flesh and the spirit.

You said and wrongly so:"When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25) "

God does not need our Help...It is we who needs His help. As a servant, we follow his commands in obedience not help him out out of the goodness of our heart.

"Help" is used 126 time in 117 verses  in the KJV and not once does it say that We are to Help God!
You might want to correct Mr. E's misrepresentation of what was said. Since he has forbidden me from speaking to him it's on your shoulders until as PJ says, HE GROWS UP.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Mr E on July 04, 2021, 01:47:26 pm
Another lie by Lori.  Actually the same lie, 3 times.

3 strikes.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on July 04, 2021, 01:55:33 pm
The Cure for Anxiety...
Matthew 6:25 “This is why I tell you: Don’t worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Isn’t life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the sky: They don’t sow or reap or gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Aren’t you worth more than they? 27 Can any of you add a single cubit to his height
  • by worrying? 28 And why do you worry about clothes? Learn how the wildflowers of the field grow: they don’t labor or spin thread. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was adorned like one of these! 30 If that’s how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and thrown into the furnace tomorrow, won’t He do much more for you—you of little faith? 31 So don’t worry, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ 32 For the idolaters[p] eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God[q] and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you. 34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 
   When I first began looking at this teaching, I wondered what could be added to our understanding of such a simple truth, GOD is our PROVIDER.  It didn’t take long to figure out that there was more to glean if we just looked.  So let’s jump in.  Don’t worry...we already talked about this and how we can’t add anything to our lives by worrying.  (Luke 10:38-42; Luke 12:11; Philippians 4:6; I Peter 5:7)  Each of these passages deserves our full attention but there is more to get to so I will leave that to the reader. 
   We are not to worry about what to eat or drink.  Food and water are essential to life yet we are not to worry about them.  I remember the day our three oldest kids were young and we had left everything to follow God’s call on our life.  That particular day we had a can of green beans and a little bread and nothing more for three growing and hungry boys.  I know full well how hard it is to trust God with our daily bread, I have lived it many times over but I can also testify to how liberating it is to simply trust Him with our needs.  Didn’t He send manna and quail?  (Exodus 15:22-16:1-36)  But Deuteronomy 8:3 puts a unique spin on the entire account when it says, (HCSB) He humbled you by letting you go hungry; then He gave you manna to eat, which you and your fathers had not known, so that you might learn that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.  There was a greater purpose to God providing manna, quail, even water and that greater purpose was to teach the children of Israel that there is so much more to life than simple survival and that greater is God Himself and every word that He speaks.  Throughout scripture we see this teaching but it would seem we seldom spend time meditating on what it means. (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; I Corinthians 10:1-13) Consider I Corinthians 10:31 (HCSB) Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for God’s glory.  When we go back to the previous lessons, what we see is that it is about God NOT about us.  When we get this right, all things fall into place.  When we figure out that it is about God not about us and our fleshly needs we begin to seek God and when we seek Him and His Kingdom, ALL these things will be added.  (Matthew 6:33)
   Next we come to clothes, we are not to worry about what we will wear.  What a beautiful picture of the birds of the air and flowers of the field, some of each are so beautiful that it is hard to describe in words just how brilliant the colors, how clear the contrasts and compliments and yet we are more important than these.  Like the food and drink that is talking about more than just our fleshly needs, the clothes we wear is not just about the flesh.  We are to put on sackcloth and ashes.  In Biblical days, one used sackcloth and ashes to demonstrate their brokenness and repentance of the sins they had committed.  It was an outward show of an inward condition.  (Genesis 37:34)  When we wash our clothes in the blood of the Lamb, in other words come to Christ broken, in sackcloth and ashes for garments, He gives us a white robe, wedding clothes.  (Exodus 19:14; Matthew 22:12; Mark 9:3; I Peter 3:3; Revelation 3:4-18)  When we fail to grasp these concepts, it is because we lack faith. (Matthew 6:30)  When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25)
   So what then is the lesson...obviously the lesson is not to worry, but it is the why that is most intriguing to me.  Matthew 6:32 For the idolaters eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
First because God already knows what we need, even before we ask Him.  (Jeremiah 45:5; Matthew 6:8; Philippians 4:19; Romans 2:4; II Corinthians 9:8)  When we are able to shift our focus from the things of the flesh to the things of God we begin to discover freedom and life beyond our wildest dreams.  It’s about trust.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you.
Secondly, He has made a promise to you and He will keep His promises.  That promise is that if you do shift your focus and seek Him and His Kingdom which is wherever the Spirit is, all these things, the food, drink, and clothes that the flesh needs will be given to you.  One of the ways God shows His Love to us is by being our Father, a Father that looks out for us and cares for us.  (Matthew 7:11; Psalms 84:11; Luke 11:13; Romans 8:32; James 1:17)
34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
And lastly, because today has enough struggle and difficulties, there is nothing beneficial from looking ahead to the struggles yet to come.  Focus in the moment of finding a way to glorify God in the current struggle and let that struggle yet to come be dealt with when God takes you to that moment.  (John 16:33; John 14:27; John 15:18; Acts 14:22; Romans 8:37) Trusting God to be the provider of all that is good,  (I Timothy 6:17-19) not just with the things of the flesh but the things of both the flesh and the spirit.

You said and wrongly so:"When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25) "

God does not need our Help...It is we who needs His help. As a servant, we follow his commands in obedience not help him out out of the goodness of our heart.

"Help" is used 126 time in 117 verses  in the KJV and not once does it say that We are to Help God!
BTW Blade, I would love to hear your take on Colossians 1:24...it clearly says something was lacking in Christ's sacrifice,.  The passage tells us what was lacking, but you claimed that there is nothing HE needs from us...so prove it in scripture...explain how something was lacking but isn't lacking...that would be double talk.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on July 04, 2021, 06:02:53 pm
The Cure for Anxiety...
Matthew 6:25 “This is why I tell you: Don’t worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Isn’t life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the sky: They don’t sow or reap or gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Aren’t you worth more than they? 27 Can any of you add a single cubit to his height
  • by worrying? 28 And why do you worry about clothes? Learn how the wildflowers of the field grow: they don’t labor or spin thread. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was adorned like one of these! 30 If that’s how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and thrown into the furnace tomorrow, won’t He do much more for you—you of little faith? 31 So don’t worry, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ 32 For the idolaters[p] eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God[q] and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you. 34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 
   When I first began looking at this teaching, I wondered what could be added to our understanding of such a simple truth, GOD is our PROVIDER.  It didn’t take long to figure out that there was more to glean if we just looked.  So let’s jump in.  Don’t worry...we already talked about this and how we can’t add anything to our lives by worrying.  (Luke 10:38-42; Luke 12:11; Philippians 4:6; I Peter 5:7)  Each of these passages deserves our full attention but there is more to get to so I will leave that to the reader. 
   We are not to worry about what to eat or drink.  Food and water are essential to life yet we are not to worry about them.  I remember the day our three oldest kids were young and we had left everything to follow God’s call on our life.  That particular day we had a can of green beans and a little bread and nothing more for three growing and hungry boys.  I know full well how hard it is to trust God with our daily bread, I have lived it many times over but I can also testify to how liberating it is to simply trust Him with our needs.  Didn’t He send manna and quail?  (Exodus 15:22-16:1-36)  But Deuteronomy 8:3 puts a unique spin on the entire account when it says, (HCSB) He humbled you by letting you go hungry; then He gave you manna to eat, which you and your fathers had not known, so that you might learn that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.  There was a greater purpose to God providing manna, quail, even water and that greater purpose was to teach the children of Israel that there is so much more to life than simple survival and that greater is God Himself and every word that He speaks.  Throughout scripture we see this teaching but it would seem we seldom spend time meditating on what it means. (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; I Corinthians 10:1-13) Consider I Corinthians 10:31 (HCSB) Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for God’s glory.  When we go back to the previous lessons, what we see is that it is about God NOT about us.  When we get this right, all things fall into place.  When we figure out that it is about God not about us and our fleshly needs we begin to seek God and when we seek Him and His Kingdom, ALL these things will be added.  (Matthew 6:33)
   Next we come to clothes, we are not to worry about what we will wear.  What a beautiful picture of the birds of the air and flowers of the field, some of each are so beautiful that it is hard to describe in words just how brilliant the colors, how clear the contrasts and compliments and yet we are more important than these.  Like the food and drink that is talking about more than just our fleshly needs, the clothes we wear is not just about the flesh.  We are to put on sackcloth and ashes.  In Biblical days, one used sackcloth and ashes to demonstrate their brokenness and repentance of the sins they had committed.  It was an outward show of an inward condition.  (Genesis 37:34)  When we wash our clothes in the blood of the Lamb, in other words come to Christ broken, in sackcloth and ashes for garments, He gives us a white robe, wedding clothes.  (Exodus 19:14; Matthew 22:12; Mark 9:3; I Peter 3:3; Revelation 3:4-18)  When we fail to grasp these concepts, it is because we lack faith. (Matthew 6:30)  When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25)
   So what then is the lesson...obviously the lesson is not to worry, but it is the why that is most intriguing to me.  Matthew 6:32 For the idolaters eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
First because God already knows what we need, even before we ask Him.  (Jeremiah 45:5; Matthew 6:8; Philippians 4:19; Romans 2:4; II Corinthians 9:8)  When we are able to shift our focus from the things of the flesh to the things of God we begin to discover freedom and life beyond our wildest dreams.  It’s about trust.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you.
Secondly, He has made a promise to you and He will keep His promises.  That promise is that if you do shift your focus and seek Him and His Kingdom which is wherever the Spirit is, all these things, the food, drink, and clothes that the flesh needs will be given to you.  One of the ways God shows His Love to us is by being our Father, a Father that looks out for us and cares for us.  (Matthew 7:11; Psalms 84:11; Luke 11:13; Romans 8:32; James 1:17)
34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
And lastly, because today has enough struggle and difficulties, there is nothing beneficial from looking ahead to the struggles yet to come.  Focus in the moment of finding a way to glorify God in the current struggle and let that struggle yet to come be dealt with when God takes you to that moment.  (John 16:33; John 14:27; John 15:18; Acts 14:22; Romans 8:37) Trusting God to be the provider of all that is good,  (I Timothy 6:17-19) not just with the things of the flesh but the things of both the flesh and the spirit.

You said and wrongly so:"When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25) "

God does not need our Help...It is we who needs His help. As a servant, we follow his commands in obedience not help him out out of the goodness of our heart.

"Help" is used 126 time in 117 verses  in the KJV and not once does it say that We are to Help God!
Blade, my husband pointed out that because of how I worded the text, you have an opportunity that you took to twist what I said into something different, something you could use to feel offended....so here is a corrected version for you...God gives us good things so that we can show His Love by giving those things to those in need.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Bladerunner on July 04, 2021, 08:22:57 pm
The Cure for Anxiety...
Matthew 6:25 “This is why I tell you: Don’t worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Isn’t life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the sky: They don’t sow or reap or gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Aren’t you worth more than they? 27 Can any of you add a single cubit to his height
  • by worrying? 28 And why do you worry about clothes? Learn how the wildflowers of the field grow: they don’t labor or spin thread. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was adorned like one of these! 30 If that’s how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and thrown into the furnace tomorrow, won’t He do much more for you—you of little faith? 31 So don’t worry, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ 32 For the idolaters[p] eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God[q] and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you. 34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 
   When I first began looking at this teaching, I wondered what could be added to our understanding of such a simple truth, GOD is our PROVIDER.  It didn’t take long to figure out that there was more to glean if we just looked.  So let’s jump in.  Don’t worry...we already talked about this and how we can’t add anything to our lives by worrying.  (Luke 10:38-42; Luke 12:11; Philippians 4:6; I Peter 5:7)  Each of these passages deserves our full attention but there is more to get to so I will leave that to the reader. 
   We are not to worry about what to eat or drink.  Food and water are essential to life yet we are not to worry about them.  I remember the day our three oldest kids were young and we had left everything to follow God’s call on our life.  That particular day we had a can of green beans and a little bread and nothing more for three growing and hungry boys.  I know full well how hard it is to trust God with our daily bread, I have lived it many times over but I can also testify to how liberating it is to simply trust Him with our needs.  Didn’t He send manna and quail?  (Exodus 15:22-16:1-36)  But Deuteronomy 8:3 puts a unique spin on the entire account when it says, (HCSB) He humbled you by letting you go hungry; then He gave you manna to eat, which you and your fathers had not known, so that you might learn that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.  There was a greater purpose to God providing manna, quail, even water and that greater purpose was to teach the children of Israel that there is so much more to life than simple survival and that greater is God Himself and every word that He speaks.  Throughout scripture we see this teaching but it would seem we seldom spend time meditating on what it means. (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4; I Corinthians 10:1-13) Consider I Corinthians 10:31 (HCSB) Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for God’s glory.  When we go back to the previous lessons, what we see is that it is about God NOT about us.  When we get this right, all things fall into place.  When we figure out that it is about God not about us and our fleshly needs we begin to seek God and when we seek Him and His Kingdom, ALL these things will be added.  (Matthew 6:33)
   Next we come to clothes, we are not to worry about what we will wear.  What a beautiful picture of the birds of the air and flowers of the field, some of each are so beautiful that it is hard to describe in words just how brilliant the colors, how clear the contrasts and compliments and yet we are more important than these.  Like the food and drink that is talking about more than just our fleshly needs, the clothes we wear is not just about the flesh.  We are to put on sackcloth and ashes.  In Biblical days, one used sackcloth and ashes to demonstrate their brokenness and repentance of the sins they had committed.  It was an outward show of an inward condition.  (Genesis 37:34)  When we wash our clothes in the blood of the Lamb, in other words come to Christ broken, in sackcloth and ashes for garments, He gives us a white robe, wedding clothes.  (Exodus 19:14; Matthew 22:12; Mark 9:3; I Peter 3:3; Revelation 3:4-18)  When we fail to grasp these concepts, it is because we lack faith. (Matthew 6:30)  When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25)
   So what then is the lesson...obviously the lesson is not to worry, but it is the why that is most intriguing to me.  Matthew 6:32 For the idolaters eagerly seek all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
First because God already knows what we need, even before we ask Him.  (Jeremiah 45:5; Matthew 6:8; Philippians 4:19; Romans 2:4; II Corinthians 9:8)  When we are able to shift our focus from the things of the flesh to the things of God we begin to discover freedom and life beyond our wildest dreams.  It’s about trust.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you.
Secondly, He has made a promise to you and He will keep His promises.  That promise is that if you do shift your focus and seek Him and His Kingdom which is wherever the Spirit is, all these things, the food, drink, and clothes that the flesh needs will be given to you.  One of the ways God shows His Love to us is by being our Father, a Father that looks out for us and cares for us.  (Matthew 7:11; Psalms 84:11; Luke 11:13; Romans 8:32; James 1:17)
34 Therefore don’t worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
And lastly, because today has enough struggle and difficulties, there is nothing beneficial from looking ahead to the struggles yet to come.  Focus in the moment of finding a way to glorify God in the current struggle and let that struggle yet to come be dealt with when God takes you to that moment.  (John 16:33; John 14:27; John 15:18; Acts 14:22; Romans 8:37) Trusting God to be the provider of all that is good,  (I Timothy 6:17-19) not just with the things of the flesh but the things of both the flesh and the spirit.

You said and wrongly so:"When we go back to previously taught lessons, we also see that as God’s ambassadors, it is up to us to help Him by providing food, water, clothing to the least. (Matthew 25) "

God does not need our Help...It is we who needs His help. As a servant, we follow his commands in obedience not help him out out of the goodness of our heart.

"Help" is used 126 time in 117 verses  in the KJV and not once does it say that We are to Help God!

Blade, my husband pointed out that because of how I worded the text, you have an opportunity that you took to twist what I said into something different, something you could use to feel offended....so here is a corrected version for you...God gives us good things so that we can show His Love by giving those things to those in need.

you said:"Blade, my husband pointed out that because of how I worded the text, "

Lori, you are a teacher of the WORD of GOD...If you word it wrong, then the people listening to your wording will remember it....Will it steer them in the wrong direction, I don't know?

I spoke those words not to twist it into something else but to as I said, to enhance....My apologies to your and your husband for interfering with your teaching of the Word of GOD..

Blade
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on July 05, 2021, 11:21:41 am
you said:"Blade, my husband pointed out that because of how I worded the text, "

Lori, you are a teacher of the WORD of GOD...[/quote] please show me where I taught anything to anyone????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I simply did a study and presented it as per what God showed me...if you learn something that is between you and God.
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If you word it wrong, then the people listening to your wording will remember it....Will it steer them in the wrong direction, I don't know?
so after praying and talking to my husband we decided that I was right in the wording. 

So let me lay it out for you....I used the word ambassador which is a word scripture uses, I could have just as easily used the word slave...which by the way you left out of your critic and my husband wonders if you leave out important words in what I say, are you doing the same in scripture to disagree with scripture...oh well that you will have to decide in prayer.  So what does a servant/slave/ambassador do?  The obey their Master, right?  In obeying their Master, what are they doing?  They are helping the Master with whatever task they are given...iow's as ambassadors of Christ, we are helping Him to spread the gospel of Love when we give to the poor...just like I said...if you want to take on the question of whether or not God needs us, let me know, that is a different discussion but one I can show you in scripture if you decide to learn something.
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I spoke those words not to twist it into something else but to as I said, to enhance....My apologies to your and your husband for interfering with your teaching of the Word of GOD..

Blade
Blade, where did I teach anything?  I posted scriptures it's a directed bible study...if any learning happened it was purely God...if any lack of learning, it is pride and arrogance that prevented it because it is just scripture after scripture after scripture....btw, I notice you didn't answer my question about Colossians and what was missing in Christ's afflictions, it really is amazingly beautiful if you take the time to look into it.
Title: Re: Parables of Jesus bit by bit
Post by: Lori Bolinger on July 06, 2021, 04:02:54 pm
Do Not Judge...
Matthew 7:7 “Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged. 2 For with the judgment you use,[a] you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye but don’t notice the log in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and look, there’s a log in your eye? 5 Hypocrite! First take the log out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. 6 Don’t give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them with their feet, turn, and tear you to pieces.
   Most of this teaching seems like common sense, at least till we get to the last line of it.  Then suddenly it seems like it doesn’t fit that maybe we got something wrong.  Jesus starts out by telling us that we are not to judge.  The Webster’s dictionary definition that would fit here is: one who gives an authoritative opinion.  There’s an old saying that opinions are a dime a dozen.  People as a general rule want to be heard and what they want heard is their opinions because their opinions are in their own mind truth that should not be challenged.  It happens all the time in all different walks of life.  Politics is a big one where we see it.  The political view of the one speaking is assumed by the speaker to be true and there is no compromise in their one mind.  It isn’t just politics or theology or even religion where this happens.  Unfortunately it also happens when it comes to the character or nature of a person.  Jesus warns us against judging others.  The reason He gives us for not judging is because if we judge others, we also will be judged. 
   As an elementary teacher by trade, one of my pet beliefs is that kids are in the classroom way way too long.  I am so passionate about this that when I taught my own kids, I would use anything, even play time that I could use to justify time in class so that their education fit the government guidelines but was on my terms of understanding of what is a good education.  Anyone who knows me at all knows how strictly I hold to the idea that kids spend too much time in formal education and yet someone close to me once accused me of putting my kids in school all day long and even past bedtime...lol.  The judgment of me was not based on anything that even resembled my beliefs and passion and yet the judgment was made, as unbelievable as it was.  Jesus warns us here that if we judge others, we will be judged by the same judgments.  In other words, the person who judged me on emotion rather than facts will himself be judged on emotions rather than facts.  It is a hard lesson to learn to be sure especially in the heat of battle so to speak when our emotions are going crazy and we want to hurt the other person and so we make judgments to do harm, never thinking about the harm that will come to us as a result. (Romans 2:1) If we take the time to consider what is wise, we will refrain from judging others.  First, we ourselves are not without sin. (John 8:7)  Even non active things can be sin if we allow our thoughts to venture where they should not go. (Matthew 5:28; Proverbs 6:25)  Sometimes, in the heat of our emotional judgments, we speak out of our own sin, our own jealousy and covetous desires. (Exodus 20:17)  In fact, instead of judging, we are to forgive. (Luke 6:37) God is our judge and is the only one qualified to judge. (John 8:15-16; I Corinthians 10:29; Luke 12:57; Acts 4:19; I Corinthians 4:5; John 7:24; Romans 14:3)  Thus we also need to guard ourselves against man’s judgments of us. (Colossians 2:16; Romans 14:22) 
   Measuring is somewhat different from judgment.  When we measure another we have a ruler or guide for which we use.  For example, there are a set of rules in the classroom.  If your behavior does not conform to the rules, you are measured and found wanting.  (Daniel 5:27) but again, this is something that God should do. (Job 31:6; Proverbs 16:2; Proverbs 21:2; I Samuel 2:3; I Samuel 16:7; Ephesians 4:7)  This does not mean that we cannot correct someone caught in sin, it simply means there is a right way and wrong way to do so. (Galatians 6:1; Psalms 141:5; I Corinthians 2:15; II Corinthians 2:7; Matthew 18:15)  Again, whatever measure we use on others will be used on us so make sure it is a measure you can and are living by. (Mark 4:24)
   Jesus' teaching goes on to say that the judges among us are hypocrites.  The Pharisees were being so legalistic with the people that they put unnecessary burdens on them because they thought that it was their job and right to judge and measure what they themselves were not willing to live by. (Matthew 23:4; Luke 11:46) The Pharisees were not the only ones who were hypocrites, all who judge are hypocrites according to Jesus teaching here.  (Romans 2:1; Matthew 23:31-33)  If you must measure, be sure to make it a measure you yourself can measure up to. (Mark 4:24; Romans 7:13) We can remain pure by examining ourselves not others with sober judgment, (Romans 12:3; II Corinthians 13:5; Lamentations 3:40; I Corinthians 9:27; I Corinthians 11:28; Psalms 17:3; Psalms 26:2; Psalms 119:59; Psalms 139:23-24; Psalms 19:12) through the power of the Living God who reveals to us where we ourselves fall short. (Psalms 143:10; Psalms 51:2; Psalms 90:8; I Thessalonians 2:4; Job 31:6)  Until or unless we allow God to cleanse us from all unrighteousness, we cannot even begin to help our brother (or sister in Christ) who might not meet up to our desired height of righteousness or idealism.
   Then comes the line that gives so much trouble.  Don’t give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them with their feet, turn, and tear you to pieces.
If we read the sentence using common literary rules for comprehension we see that holy and pearls are referring to the same thing.  Just like dogs and pigs are both referring to the same thing.  So what is holy?  Holy is that which is hallowed, sacred, or sanctified.  God is holy, (Revelation 4:8; Exodus 15:11; Isaiah 6:3) and everything that is of God is holy. (Exodus 3:5; Joshua 5:15; Acts 7:33; Mark 6:20; Mark 8:38; Luke 1:72)  There are a couple of different ways dogs are used but the one that seems to fit here is that of a dog being an evil person. (Philippians 3:1-11) So don’t put what is holy before evil men and women.  In the case of this teaching, don’t put correction before men and women who are evil and want to do evil because they will simply return to that evil as a dog returns to his vomit or a washed pig returns to the mud.  Only God can change a heart and thus judge in such a way as to cleanse the one in sin.  (II Peter 2:22; Revelation 22:15) There are many passages that talk about a foolish man not adhering to God’s correction or wise counsel, some I found especially interesting. (Proverbs 9:8-9; Proverbs 1:5; Proverbs 10:8, 18-19, 21;  and 14; Ecclesiastes 10:12; Proverbs 12:15; Proverbs 26: 7, 8, 11,12, 17, 20, 21, 23; Psalms 39:8; Proverbs 1:7 and 32; Proverbs 13:19; Proverbs 14:8 and 9; Proverbs 16:22; Ecclesiastes 5:1)