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Title: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: Bladerunner on September 19, 2018, 08:15:02 pm
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]Revelation 4  (KJV)

Rev. 4:1..[/color]”After this  I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. “

 
Note:
 First two Words are “After this” ‘META-TAUTA’
 
Last Word is[/color] “Hereafter” [‘META TAUTA’[/color]

These two words are speaking of events which follows after the Churches in chapters 2-3[/color]

]John[/color] “Looks Up” and a "door was opened in heaven: " and heard a "voice as a trumpet".

This voice of a trumpet was heard before in Exodus 19 by Moses and the people of Israel.[/color]

Exo 19:16[/color]"And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. “

Exo 19:19[/color] “And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice. “

This is no ordinary dream. It was NOT a silent whisper as most visions were in Elijah’s dreams. In fact, John tells us; [/color]“I heard” wenty three times in Revelation.[/color]

In fact, during John’s spiritual trip through heaven, Seventy times did John say; [/color]“I looked” thirty-five times did John say;[/color] “I saw” and seven times John tells us;[/color] “I Beheld”six times.[/color]

The voice told John to[/color] “Come up Hither”.
b] “Come up Hither”[/b] is most likely the very words we will hear when the Rapture does happen.[/color]
While the words [/color]“Come up Hither” occurs  in Revelation 4:1; 11:12.[/color]

Another use of the phrase is Prov 25:7 which provides a strange enlightenment of the phrase.[/color] “For better it is that it be said unto thee, Come up hither; than that thou shouldest be put lower in the presence of the prince whom thine eyes have seen. “

Rev 4:1..[/color]”.....I will shew thee"  is seen again in Rev 21:10”)[/color]"And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, “

ev 4.2..[/color]”And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. “

ohn was transported through time more than 1,900 years and shewed what was to happen then.[/color]

And finds himself in the THRONE ROOM of GOD.[/color]

b]NOTE:[/b]
The very act that John was immediately in the Spirit and taken to heaven is the act of being “Caught-up” or Harpazo or the Rapture in English terms. [/color]

His spirit is physically taken to heaven as was 6 others in the history of the Bible. Enoch[/color] (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:25);Elijah[/color], (2 Kings 2:1, 11);]Philip,[/b][/color] (Acts 8:39 ); Paul, [/color](2 Corinthians 12:2-4 ); John,[/color] (Revelation 4:1 ); Jesus, (Mark 16:19; Acts 1:9-11; Revelation 12:5 );b]the Body of Christ is the Seventh which has YET to happen. [/b][/color](1 Thessalonians 4:17 )

Rev 4:3..[/color]"And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. “

Twelve stones : The Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and the End, The First and Last

Rubin was the 1st born (stone = Sardine, Blood RED) “behold a Son”

Benjamin was the 12th born (Stone = Jasper, Clear ), “Son of my right hand”

Judah was the 4th born (Stone=Emerald, Green), “praise”

Rainbow a type of Halo. Ezra 1:28..[/color]"All around him was a glowing halo, like a rainbow shining in the clouds on a rainy day. ………………………..”

b]Rev 4:4..[/b][/color]”And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. “

b]NOTE:[/b] I do not know why the interpreters of the KJV did not use Throne instead of [/color]"Seats", especially since those seat were reserved for Kings and rulers. (i.e. The Greek word used is the same "Thronos" and allows the use of both words. "assigned in the NT to kings, hence, kingly power or royalty"


hey are clothed in white raiment, representing righteousness of Jesus Christ[/color]

Crowns of Gold (stephanos) or a victors crown vs a ruling crown representing that these Elders and those who they represent have already been Judged.
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NOTE: The only other place the number 24 is in the bible..is where David organizes them (priest) in 24 courses,(1 Chro 24:1-19),,There were 24 thousand priest of Israel (at that time). With this organization each group of 24 priests would serve for one week, twice a year. and would change at shabbat (sabbath), twice a year they would be on duty.. Those twenty four leaders (priest) represented the whole priesthood during the time they were serving.[/color]

]Things the 24 elders cannot be.[/color]

u]Different type of angels, [/u][/color]
Rev 7:11 ..[/color]”And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,”

Tribulation Saints: [/color]
Rev 7:13-14…v14..[/color]”And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. “. Obviously a distinct group of Believers


Nation of Israel: [/color]
Rev 7 ... we see all the twelve tribes of Israel represented.
Rev 12… We see the Woman (representing Israel) with Child in the stars
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Distinguishing Characteristics
of the Elders
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Thrones[/color]
Rev 3:21.[/color]”To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. “


White Raiment
Rev 3:25..[/color]”He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. “

Crowns of Gold
Rev 2:10..[/color]”Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. “


Rev, 3:11..[/color]"Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. “

es, we already hold Crowns of Gold. Jas 1:12, rev 2:10 , 2 Tim 4:8, 1 Pet 5:4, 1 Cor 9:25, 1 Thes 2:19[/color]

And they (the Elders) sing a Song of the Redeemed
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Rev 5: 9, 10..[/color]”And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; v.10. And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. “

NOTE: The Tribulation Saints do not sing and and carry Palms not Harps.[/color]


]Rev 4:5..[/b][/color]”And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. “

Rev 1:20..[/color]"The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. “

“The Seven lamps” ….. introduced in Rev 1:20..as the Churches, are now in the Throne Room.

The[/color] ‘FIRE’ in the lamps represent the Holy Spirit as seen in Acts 2:3 “And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. “ and Mat 3:16..”And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: “

Rev 4:6-8..[/color][/b]”And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. V7. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. V8. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. “

NOTE:
It is unfortunate the wording of the KJV. Beast should have been reserved for Daniel’s beast[/color]

Four beast… Zoon (Greek) our word for Zoo. †ζῶον zōon, dzo'-on; neuter of a derivative of G2198; a live thing (living creature), i.e. an animal:—beast.[/color]

We see these creatures with four faces in Isa 6; Ezk 1,10; the four gospels and Numbers 2. They worship God by repeating HOLY HOLY HOLY,,,in a way as to allude to the trinity.[/color]

Isa 6: 1-3…v2.[/color] "Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. “

Isaiah calls the four beast (living creatures) seraphins There is dispute  between scholars about them being seraphins or Cherubims?[/color]

They are special angels regardless of their names.[/color]

Ezk 10:13-14..[/color]”And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. V14. And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel. “

Ezekial called them Cerubims and speaks of their faces Cherub(ox), Man, Lion, Eagle as did Rev 4:7.[/color]”And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. “

This is consistent with the four tribes of Israel: Judah (Lion), Ephraim (OX), Reuban (Man) and Dan (Eagle)[/color]

]Rev 9-10;[/b] John dropped in on a worship service to GOD (the Father),[/color] "He who sat upon that Throne."

We also see in v10. The 24 elders are worshipping HIM and have removed their Crowns to cast them upon the[/color] ‘Sea of Glass’:

b]Rev 4:11...[/b][/color]”Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. “

Blade[/color]
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Scripter on October 03, 2018, 08:37:05 am
Is there something particular you want us to know out of all this?
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on October 04, 2018, 05:36:20 pm
Is there something particular you want us to know out of all this?

How about ALL of it. 95% of the Churches on earth today, refuse to use Revelation in its teachings. For those that are not TRUE Christians and are LEFT BEHIND; Revelation chapter 6 onward will be a 'road map' to Jesus Christ.

It is predicted that the greatest evangelization will happen during this time, thanks to the 144,000.

Something particular.... If you do not see it, then you may need that road map.

Blade
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Theo102 on October 06, 2018, 01:26:09 am
It's not really accurate to call the ekklesia of the book of Revelation churches because the people of Asia rejected Paul.

John to the seven churches (ἐκκλησία) which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Revelation 1:4

This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
2 Timothy 1:15
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Scripter on October 06, 2018, 06:44:38 pm
None of that is as clear as you are saying because Mt24A (up to v29) took place in 1st century Judea, as it says.

There is a time of the harassment of the believers at the end of 1000.  There is nothing Judaic about it, nor located in one place on earth.  The Lord destroys it (the harassment and its perpetrators) swiftly and replaces the earth with the NHNE (or the earth becomes a lake of fire...). 

The Christian faith was never trying to prognosticate a bunch of events; to do so is junk theology. But it does show how to endure hardship for future glory, as in Rom 5's first verses, or the end of ch 8. 
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on October 06, 2018, 09:51:52 pm
None of that is as clear as you are saying because Mt24A (up to v29) took place in 1st century Judea, as it says.

There is a time of the harassment of the believers at the end of 1000.  There is nothing Judaic about it, nor located in one place on earth.  The Lord destroys it (the harassment and its perpetrators) swiftly and replaces the earth with the NHNE (or the earth becomes a lake of fire...). 

The Christian faith was never trying to prognosticate a bunch of events; to do so is junk theology. But it does show how to endure hardship for future glory, as in Rom 5's first verses, or the end of ch 8.

 ok, it is your decision.,...

Blade

Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Scripter on October 13, 2018, 06:27:34 pm
I did not come to these conclusions by just deciding one system was my fav.  In fact, I hardly ever meet anyone who understands about v29--that he was focused on that generation up to that point.  Instead people do all kinds of acrobatics to make generation mean something other than generation, like it did everywhere else. 

the goal of study is to actually arrive at what they thought then, not what we would now like to say they think. 
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on October 14, 2018, 06:49:47 pm
I did not come to these conclusions by just deciding one system was my fav.  In fact, I hardly ever meet anyone who understands about v29--that he was focused on that generation up to that point.  Instead people do all kinds of acrobatics to make generation mean something other than generation, like it did everywhere else. 

the goal of study is to actually arrive at what they thought then, not what we would now like to say they think.

the verse was v29...care to enhance us by giving the Book and Chapter? Please Kind Sir.

First of all a generation is around 38 years.. They were in the wilderness for 38 years. The difference in 32AD and 70 AD is 38 years. However, you are missing (probably on purpose) the "direction clause" in Matthew and Luke.

In one, He is speaking of the Generation who sees the signs in the future as not dying until the 2nd coming of Christ shall come upon them. Rem. Daniel's 70th week is only 7 yrs long. thus giving plenty of time for the Gap between the "Snatching up"  and Daniel's 70th week.

Blade

Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Scripter on October 21, 2018, 01:05:31 pm
v29
there's only one chapter in Matthew about 'the future' so go find its v29.

Before it, the setting is 1st century Judea; check the details and specifics.  It is about that generation.  There is a biblical numeral importance to 40 and that is roughly the distance from the Gospel event to the destruction.  Good for you to spot the 2.

After it, the setting is the worldwide judgement everywhere. 

As the church historian Lattourrette said (vol 1, p44), after the DofJ happened and settled, and the 2nd coming judgement did not, the apostles must have decided to simply continue on with evangelism and mission.  That is the ONLY thing clear about NT eschatology.  Mt24 to v29 has happened; the worldwide judgement has not; we should continue in evangelism and mission. 
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on October 21, 2018, 07:52:12 pm
v29
there's only one chapter in Matthew about 'the future' so go find its v29.

Before it, the setting is 1st century Judea; check the details and specifics.  It is about that generation.  There is a biblical numeral importance to 40 and that is roughly the distance from the Gospel event to the destruction.  Good for you to spot the 2.

After it, the setting is the worldwide judgement everywhere. 

As the church historian Lattourrette said (vol 1, p44), after the DofJ happened and settled, and the 2nd coming judgement did not, the apostles must have decided to simply continue on with evangelism and mission.  That is the ONLY thing clear about NT eschatology.  Mt24 to v29 has happened; the worldwide judgement has not; we should continue in evangelism and mission.


 Care to clue me in on this unrecognized ?     (after the DofJ happened and settled)

Why are you using this verse for? It is not specific or anything?

Don't try and force  you point across as the scripture does not support your version.

Blade


Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: patrick jane on November 21, 2018, 09:56:51 pm
NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR?


At the Time of the End, the wise shall understand. Dan 12:10

Understanding the expression "No man knows the day or hour" is not possible
by simply taking the English translation literally, because in the book of
Daniel and the Book of Revelation, we are given EXACT descriptions of
timing, relative to KEY events - such as the shutting down of the altar
sacrifices in Jerusalem at the MID-POINT of the 70th week. Dan 9:27

Jesus was asked, "When shall these things be?" Matt 24:3

His answer ties us in to a very specific event (The Abomination of
Desolation) which can be measured on our calendars: "When you therefore
shall see the Abomination Of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place, (whoever reads, let him understand:)..." Matt 24:15.

It is now clear that "no man knows the day or hour" does NOT mean "no man
knows the day or hour" as we read it from a modern-day English perspective.

>From his book "Signs In the Heavens" by Avi Ben Mordechai, he devotes a
chapter to explaining what "no man knows the day or hour" truly means from
a rabbinical Hebraic perspective. It is a figure of speech.

The following chapter contains edited excerpts from Avi Ben Mordechai's
commentaries and builds on them aiming to explain that the Holy Bible does
in fact reveal the "day and hour" or "exact timing" of our Lord's Return.

No One Knows the Day or the Hour?

Christians over the centuries have separated themselves from their Hebraic
roots causing the misunderstanding of key Jewish biblical idioms. An idiom
is also a figure of speech. When Y'shua (Jesus) uttered His famous words
concerning the Messianic Era in Mattityahu (Matthew) 24:26,

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but
only the Father", He used a common Jewish figure of speech referring to a
specific Jewish Festival. In essence He was saying, "I am coming for My
Bride on such and such a day! Be watching!" What day could the Jewish idiom
be referring to? Keep reading!

HEBRAIC ROOTS

Y'shua HaMashiach (Jesus the Messiah) was Jewish and lived a
Torah-observant Jewish life. Evidence suggests that He communicated to His
audience in the Hebrew language, in Hebraic ways. What does it mean to
communicate in Hebraic ways?


It means to think and talk like a Jew. In Y'shua's day it meant to speak in the language and idioms of the day.
Those who heard the Lord speak knew what He was saying and usually what He was
alluding to unless He was speaking in parables, which had their own
analogies. Of course, today's generation of believers struggles to
understand His words and concepts.


Speaking, thinking and acting like the
Jewish Rabbi He was helped His mission in bringing the gospel message to
"the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt 15:24).

Y'shua was quoted in Mattityahu (Matthew) 8:11 as saying: "I say to you
that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places
at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven".

Since we are talking about Jewish idioms, have you ever considered the meaning of
these words? Specifically, our Lord used and confirmed common Jewish ideas
about the Day of the Lord - the millennium - and its relation to the Feast
of Sukkot (Tabernacles) in Z'kharyah 14.


In speaking, Y'shua referred to
the Festival and its traditional guests of honour, Avraham, Yitzchak and
Ya'acov, called the ushpizin (uoosh-piz-zin) or seven shepherds (exalted
guests), invited into every succah (tabernacle) at the Feast of Sukkot in
the fall of the year.

The seven shepherds in descending order are
1. Avraham (Abraham), 2. Yitzchak (Isaac), 3. Ya'acov (Jacob), 4. Mosheh
(Moses), 5. Aaron, 6. Yosef (Joseph) and 7. HaMelech David (King David).
By mentioning the feast and three of the seven shepherds,

His audience
immediately understood the allusion to the Messianic age - "Millennium" or
"Day" of the Lord.

"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost" (Luke 19:10).
Again, in this simplistic phrase Y'shua, the Son of Miriyam and Yosef,
spoke of two things: His Deity (by calling Himself the subject of the
prophet Dani'el's vision) and His mission (by calling Himself the One God
Who spoke to Mosheh on Mount Sinai) as it is written in Dani'el and
Yechezk'el (Ezekiel):

In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was One like a Son of
Man, coming with the clouds of Heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days
and was led into His presence (Dani'el 7:13-14).

For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I Myself will search for My sheep
and look after them (Yechezk'el-Ezekiel 34:11ff).

In the Gospel narrative of Luke 23:31, Y'shua said: "For if men do these
things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?" In this
verse Y'shua points His audience, who had portions of the writings of the
Prophets memorized, to the verses in Yechezk'el (Ezekiel) 20:45 to 21:7.
Without question, Y'shua's hearers knew He referred to Chevlei HaMashiach
or Ya'acov's Trouble in the Great Tribulation and warned His audience that
what they do to Him in hardness of heart now, God will do to the nation in
judgement later.

Y'shua's encounter with Natan'el (Nathanael) is recorded in Yochanan (John)
1:47-48: When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, He said of him, "Here is a
true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false". "How do You know me?"
Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, "I saw you while you were still under the
fig tree before Philip called you".

Again, our Lord used a strong figure of speech pointing to a widely taught
Jewish expectation concerning the resurrection and the millennium. In
brief, He told Natan'el that he will be alive on the Last Day to inherit
the land promised to Avraham (Bereshith-Genesis 17:8). From Y'shua's words,
Natan'el understood he would participate in the resurrection since "that
Day" was yet future.


This is understood in the first century Jewish figure
of speech, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree", which
refers to life and study of Torah in the millennium (Midrash Rabbah
Genesis, Rabbah Song of Songs).


Y'shua also told Natan'el that he is like
righteous Avraham who received his reward for trusting God. This is
understood because of the phrase, "Here is a true Israelite, in whom there
is nothing false". The millennial concept of the fig tree is found
throughout the Tanach including Z'kharyah 3:10:


"In that day each of you will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and fig tree", declares the
LORD Almighty. For this reason Natan'el responded emphatically to Y'shua
and His words, saying: "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; You are the King of
Israel!"

God through HaMashiach Y'shua spoke to the Jews in many portions and in
many ways (Hebrews 1:1-2) relying upon known figures of speech, common
expectations and direct thoughts from Talmudic and Pharisaic teachings. The
concepts I addressed only scratch the surface, so-to-speak.


Every phrase
and word from the mouth of the Lord meant something to His audience. He
spoke with precision. With that as a basis, let us go on to one of the most
interesting Jewish figures of speech misunderstood by the Church over the
years. It concerns Y'shua's phrase,


"No one knows about that day or hour,
not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father". In
context, He refers to the home-taking of His bride, the beginning of the
Messianic era and His millennial reign as King of kings over all the earth.
To understand this concept, we begin by examining its foundation.

ROSH HASHANAH

Chapter Five described the annual Jewish Festival of Trumpets or Rosh
HaShanah - the first day of the seventh month. A few themes linked to this
Jewish festival are resurrection, repentance, kingship, corronation and a
marriage feast.


This chapter shows another theme and convincing proof that
Rosh HaShanah is not only the start of "The Day of the Lord" (Millennium),
but is also the day of the resurrection! It has to do with the moon and its
29-day cycle of renewal.

In this period of slightly less than 30 days, the moon goes from darkness
to light and back to darkness again. This is not a haphazard occurrence
attributed to evolution or science.

God planned it for many reasons, one
being as a picture of resurrection and renewal. With each cycle of nearly
30 days the ancient rabbis understood that the moon was being reborn or
"born again" (Sefard siddur, Mussaf for Shabbat and Shabbat Rosh Chodesh,
p. 509 and 646-648).

NEW MOON

In Y'shua's day, the moon was so important that a Jewish festival was
proclaimed at the beginning of every month (Talmud Tractate Chaggigah 17b;
Shavuot 10a; Arachin 10b). This was called the New Moon Festival and in the
B'rit Chadashah, Rabbi Sha'ul (Paul) makes note of it (Colossians 2:16).
Even in the Tanach, King David provoked King Sha'ul (Saul) over it (1
Shmu'el-Samuel 20:5).


In the coming millennium the gate of the inner court
of the Temple facing east shall be opened on the new moon
(Yechezk'el-Ezekiel 46:1).


And finally in the millennium all nations will
celebrate the New Moon festival every month (Yeshayahu-Isaiah 66:23). It is
obvious from the Hebrew Scriptures that in the millennium God has no plans
to do away with His system.

Since it is so important, exactly what is a new moon? It is the opposite of
a full moon. Every month the moon goes through a complete cycle of renewal
called Rosh Chodesh, the head or beginning of the renewed month. Twelve
times a year on Rosh Chodesh, the moon always starts off with its disk
being very dark to the naked eye.


Over the course of 15 days it gets
brighter and brighter until it finally reaches a full white-faced disk or
full moon. Over the next 15 days it becomes darker and darker and finally
becomes invisible to the naked eye again.

The ancient rabbis saw a great lesson in this. Just as the moon has no
light of its own but receives its light from the sun, so we too have no
light of our own and must receive it from God.


As the moon goes through a
near 30-day cycle of dark to light to dark, so we need constant spiritual
renewal and repentance. Like the moon, we too must be reborn or "born
again" into HaMashiach and constantly renewed through repentance. This is
why God called it a faithful witness in the sky (Mizmor-Psalm 89:37).

If the moon is so important to God, why do we pay so little attention to
it? We have lost touch with God's faithful witness in the sky. But Y'shua
and the people of His day never lost touch with it. And as I previously
noted, not only was the new moon necessary for the Jewish calendar, it was
also a monthly festival celebrated with a feast fit for a king!


So, when
Y'shua said His famous words in Mattityahu-Matthew 24:36, it had
far-reaching implications. Here are the words of Y'shua in a few different
translations:

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but
my Father only. (KJV)

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the Father. (NIV) But of that day and hour knoweth no one,
not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. (ASV)
About the exact time, however, and the hour, none knows - not even the
messengers of Heaven; but My Father alone. (Fenton Modern English
Translation)

Failing to think like Y'shua and taking phrases out of Jewish context can
lead one to misunderstand His words. For example, in many places of the
B'rit Chadashah Y'shua knew the future and talked about it openly. In one
instance He warned His talmidim (disciples) about their future saying,
"See, I have told you ahead of time" (Mattityahu-Matthew 24:25). His
context concerned the tribulation, the destruction of the Temple, the rise
and fall of false messiahs (antichrists), etc.


If He knew the future in
Mattityahu 24:25, and the context concerns the Day of Trouble, why would He
suddenly speak as though He did not know the future in the same context
just 11 verses later in Mattityahu 24:36? Was He confused? Or was He making
perfect sense in light of the customs of the Jews?

Since the subject of our discussion is the new moon and figures of speech,
realize the phrase, "Of that day and hour no man knows" refers to the
sanctification or setting apart of the new moon. Without this
sanctification, the Jews had no way of determining God's "appointed times"
or moedim.

Twelve times a year a new Jewish month (Rosh Chodesh) was announced to the
people. We have no system like it today. We look at a calendar to determine
the first of the month; the Jews, however, looked at the moon.


This system
of chronology was given to the Jews to know precisely when the Holy
festivals (moedim) would fall (there are still eight of them; seven
appointed times and Shabbat). The moon was the faithful Jewish calendar or
witness in the sky and 12 times a year was sanctified as the basis of the
Jewish stellar calendar.

GOD'S APPOINTED TIMES

Because the moon was so important for Jewish date - setting, the authorities
in charge of announcing the new moon in Y'rushalayim took great care to
ensure the first day of the month was announced on time. To correctly
announce the first day of the month, established by the new moon, was one
of the Sanhedrin's greatest responsibilities. They had to ensure the people
knew when the first of the month began 12 times a year! Therefore God said
to the leaders of Israel:

These are the appointed times of the Lord, holy convocations which you
shall proclaim at the times appointed for them (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:4).

In other words, God gave the Sanhedrin authority to announce and sanctify
the new moon to the people. Its proclamation on earth was supported by God
in Heaven (c.f. Mattityahu 18:18-20 where the Jewish context supports a
believers' Sanhedrin as seen in Acts 15).


As soon as the new moon was
announced, the first day of the month began. Once the beginning of the new
month was established, the festivals and weekly Shabbats for the upcoming
month were sanctified for observance. In Hebrew, those observances have
always been called "appointed  times" or moedim, literally "a sacred and
set time".


From God's perspective, the appointed times belong to Him
(Midrash Rabbah Numbers, Vol 2.21.25, p. 852) and no one has the authority
to change the celebration of an appointed time.


To do so was a serious
matter and great sin. Appointed times had to be kept because of their
Messianic implications.

Further in Vayikrah (Leviticus) 23:4, notice the phrase, "holy
convocation". The phrase in Hebrew is mikraw kodesh, better translated,
"holy convocation and rehearsal". In other words, God's appointed times are
actually "holy rehearsals" set apart to reflect events in the Messianic
era. God said to the people,


"Pay attention! On this day I am going to do
something! Wake-up! The Jews were to know and practice all of God's mikraot
or holy convocations. This is the essence of Rav Sha'ul's words that the
Shabbat, new moons and festivals, "are a shadow of things to come; the body
of Mashiach" (Colossians 2:17).

Twice a year, in the spring and fall, there were several appointed times
and specific days of holy convocation dedicated to the Lord. The new moon
was the key in being able to fulfill those set times, holy convocations and
rehearsals.


For example, when the new moon was announced on the first day
of Nisan, also called Aviv, the people knew when to observe the holy
convocations and set times of the 10th (Shemot-Exodus 12:3), 14th and 15th
(Shemot-Exodus 12:6; Bamidbar-Numbers 33:3), 16th (Vayikrah-Leviticus
23:15), and finally the 21st.


In the same way, when the new moon was
announced on the first day of Tishri also called Ethanim, the people knew
when to observe the Holy convocations of the 1st  (Vayikrah-Leviticus
23:23), 10th  (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:26), 15th  (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:39),
and 22nd  (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:36).


Thus from the announcement of the new
moon to the festival dates which followed, it was only a matter of counting
the right number of days. In a moment you will understand how this applies
to the phrase that Y'shua spoke concerning His coming again.

THE SANHEDRIN AND THE TWO WITNESSES

The Mishnah, also referred to as the Oral Law, dealt with the legal
elements of daily Jewish religious life, in Hebrew called halachah. In the
treasure of the first and second century halachah we find many explanations
to help us understand the Torah particularly in Y'shua's day since it was
still oral then.


In volume two called "moed" or festival, tractate Rosh
HaShanah teaches us about the Sanhedrin and its selection process of two
witnesses who would tell us when the new moon arrived. Once a month the
Sanhedrin discussed when to proclaim the new moon. They did this through
the agency of two witnesses, the element of all legal transactions in
Judaism.

One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any
sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the
mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.   Deut 19:15

The men were important because by their witness, Israel celebrated God's
appointed times. They had to be of good character and were always treated
with great honour.


They had special privileges such as authorization to
ride into Y'rushalayim on horseback on the Shabbat to bring the good news
of the new moon festivities! The men had special status because they were
the confirmation that Y'hudah (Judaea)  depended on for the correct timing
of the new month and the festivals.

Rosh HaShanah Chapter 2, Mishnah 5 reads: There was a large court in
Jerusalem called Beth Ya'azek. There all the witnesses used to assemble and
the Beth Din used to examine them. They used to entertain them lavishly
there so that they should have an inducement to come. (The witnesses were
allowed to break the Shabbat travel restrictions for this one purpose lest
they might be reluctant to come and give the essential evidence of the
sighting of the new moon).

Continuing in Chapter 2, Mishnah 6: How do they test the witnesses? The
pair who arrive first are tested first. The senior of them is brought in
and they say to him, tell us how you saw the moon - in front of the sun or
behind the sun? To the north of it or the south? How big was it, and in
which direction was it inclined?


And how broad was it? If he says (he saw
it) in front of the sun, his evidence is rejected. After that they would
bring in the second and test him.


If their accounts tallied, their evidence
was accepted, and the other pairs were only questioned briefly, not because
they were required at all, but so that they should not be disappointed,
(and) so that they should not be dissuaded from coming.

In qualifying the witnesses, the Sanhedrin used the following criteria:
They never arrived at the same time.
They were never questioned at the same time.
There were always two new witnesses each month.

In short, the two qualified witnesses usually stood before the Nassi or
President of the Sanhedrin (Jewish High Court) to give account of the
moon's appearance prior to its becoming total dark (Moed Rosh HaShanah,
Chapter 3, Mishnah 1).


Just before the moon's disk enters total darkness,
there are tiny slivers of white on the edges of the waning disk. These were
called the "horns" of the moon.

Correctly sighting the "horns" (on the
waning crescent) determined the beginning of the new month. Once the two
witnesses were qualified and questioned, if the President (who had
knowledge of astronomy) was convinced their observation was accurate, he
publicly sanctified the start of the new month.

After careful scrutiny to determine the official arrival of the new moon,
the Nassi or President of the Sanhedrin proclaimed Rosh Chodesh with the
words: "Sanctified", and all the people repeat after him, "Sanctified,
sanctified". After the proclamation, the Sanhedrin ordered watchmen on the
nearby hillsides to light fires and thus inform the Jews in all of Y'hudah
(Judaea), Shomron (Samaria), Egypt, Babylon and the galut (diaspora) that
the new month had begun. That started the festival of the New Moon and
counting of the next 29- days to the next new month proclamation.

Again, once the Sanhedrin set Rosh Chodesh, or the beginning of the new
month by sighting the new moon, the rest of the festivals were calculated.
However, the seventh month, Tishri, was particularly important because it
was the only month that had a holy convocation or appointed time on the
first day of the month.


This posed a unique problem. The first day of
Tishri was the appointed time called Rosh HaShanah, the Feast of Trumpets
(Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:24). Yet no one could begin observing the festival
until they heard those famous words from the President of the Sanhedrin,
"Sanctified!"

No one in Israel could plan for the first day of the seventh month Tishri,
called Yom Teruah or the Feast of Trumpets (also called Rosh HaShanah).
When they knew how many days to count to a festival, that would be easy.
But:

HOW COULD THEY PLAN FOR A FESTIVAL THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW AT WHAT DAY OR
HOUR IT WOULD PUBLICALLY BE ANNOUNCED AND THUS BEGIN?

This was unique to Rosh HaShanah and dependent upon the testimony of the
two witnesses. Prophetically, we are informed of two important witnesses
during the Great Tribulation:

And I will give power unto My Two Witnesses, and they will prophesy 1260
days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:3

Of course, anyone could look up into the twilight or early morning sky and,
if they looked hard enough, see the new moon or at least its "horns". And
certainly an astute observer knew when about 29- days were completed since
the previous Rosh Chodesh.

But recall, ONLY THE SANHEDRIN NASSI had the
authority to proclaim the first of Tishri, which was already established as
a technical procedure.


Once proclaimed, the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh
HaShanah) commenced. Until that public announcement by the Nassi, everyone
had to wait before they could begin the observance of the festival. No one
could begin the festival beforehand!


Thus, we can more clearly see the
analogy Jesus made with His words: "But of that day and hour knoweth no
man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" was in regards to
this important festival of Rosh HaShanah.

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Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on December 01, 2018, 01:34:00 am
NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR?


At the Time of the End, the wise shall understand. Dan 12:10

Understanding the expression "No man knows the day or hour" is not possible
by simply taking the English translation literally, because in the book of
Daniel and the Book of Revelation, we are given EXACT descriptions of
timing, relative to KEY events - such as the shutting down of the altar
sacrifices in Jerusalem at the MID-POINT of the 70th week. Dan 9:27

Jesus was asked, "When shall these things be?" Matt 24:3

His answer ties us in to a very specific event (The Abomination of
Desolation) which can be measured on our calendars: "When you therefore
shall see the Abomination Of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place, (whoever reads, let him understand:)..." Matt 24:15.

It is now clear that "no man knows the day or hour" does NOT mean "no man
knows the day or hour" as we read it from a modern-day English perspective.

>From his book "Signs In the Heavens" by Avi Ben Mordechai, he devotes a
chapter to explaining what "no man knows the day or hour" truly means from
a rabbinical Hebraic perspective. It is a figure of speech.

The following chapter contains edited excerpts from Avi Ben Mordechai's
commentaries and builds on them aiming to explain that the Holy Bible does
in fact reveal the "day and hour" or "exact timing" of our Lord's Return.

No One Knows the Day or the Hour?

Christians over the centuries have separated themselves from their Hebraic
roots causing the misunderstanding of key Jewish biblical idioms. An idiom
is also a figure of speech. When Y'shua (Jesus) uttered His famous words
concerning the Messianic Era in Mattityahu (Matthew) 24:26,

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but
only the Father", He used a common Jewish figure of speech referring to a
specific Jewish Festival. In essence He was saying, "I am coming for My
Bride on such and such a day! Be watching!" What day could the Jewish idiom
be referring to? Keep reading!

HEBRAIC ROOTS

Y'shua HaMashiach (Jesus the Messiah) was Jewish and lived a
Torah-observant Jewish life. Evidence suggests that He communicated to His
audience in the Hebrew language, in Hebraic ways. What does it mean to
communicate in Hebraic ways?


It means to think and talk like a Jew. In Y'shua's day it meant to speak in the language and idioms of the day.
Those who heard the Lord speak knew what He was saying and usually what He was
alluding to unless He was speaking in parables, which had their own
analogies. Of course, today's generation of believers struggles to
understand His words and concepts.


Speaking, thinking and acting like the
Jewish Rabbi He was helped His mission in bringing the gospel message to
"the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt 15:24).

Y'shua was quoted in Mattityahu (Matthew) 8:11 as saying: "I say to you
that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places
at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven".

Since we are talking about Jewish idioms, have you ever considered the meaning of
these words? Specifically, our Lord used and confirmed common Jewish ideas
about the Day of the Lord - the millennium - and its relation to the Feast
of Sukkot (Tabernacles) in Z'kharyah 14.


In speaking, Y'shua referred to
the Festival and its traditional guests of honour, Avraham, Yitzchak and
Ya'acov, called the ushpizin (uoosh-piz-zin) or seven shepherds (exalted
guests), invited into every succah (tabernacle) at the Feast of Sukkot in
the fall of the year.

The seven shepherds in descending order are
1. Avraham (Abraham), 2. Yitzchak (Isaac), 3. Ya'acov (Jacob), 4. Mosheh
(Moses), 5. Aaron, 6. Yosef (Joseph) and 7. HaMelech David (King David).
By mentioning the feast and three of the seven shepherds,

His audience
immediately understood the allusion to the Messianic age - "Millennium" or
"Day" of the Lord.

"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost" (Luke 19:10).
Again, in this simplistic phrase Y'shua, the Son of Miriyam and Yosef,
spoke of two things: His Deity (by calling Himself the subject of the
prophet Dani'el's vision) and His mission (by calling Himself the One God
Who spoke to Mosheh on Mount Sinai) as it is written in Dani'el and
Yechezk'el (Ezekiel):

In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was One like a Son of
Man, coming with the clouds of Heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days
and was led into His presence (Dani'el 7:13-14).

For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I Myself will search for My sheep
and look after them (Yechezk'el-Ezekiel 34:11ff).

In the Gospel narrative of Luke 23:31, Y'shua said: "For if men do these
things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?" In this
verse Y'shua points His audience, who had portions of the writings of the
Prophets memorized, to the verses in Yechezk'el (Ezekiel) 20:45 to 21:7.
Without question, Y'shua's hearers knew He referred to Chevlei HaMashiach
or Ya'acov's Trouble in the Great Tribulation and warned His audience that
what they do to Him in hardness of heart now, God will do to the nation in
judgement later.

Y'shua's encounter with Natan'el (Nathanael) is recorded in Yochanan (John)
1:47-48: When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, He said of him, "Here is a
true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false". "How do You know me?"
Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, "I saw you while you were still under the
fig tree before Philip called you".

Again, our Lord used a strong figure of speech pointing to a widely taught
Jewish expectation concerning the resurrection and the millennium. In
brief, He told Natan'el that he will be alive on the Last Day to inherit
the land promised to Avraham (Bereshith-Genesis 17:8). From Y'shua's words,
Natan'el understood he would participate in the resurrection since "that
Day" was yet future.


This is understood in the first century Jewish figure
of speech, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree", which
refers to life and study of Torah in the millennium (Midrash Rabbah
Genesis, Rabbah Song of Songs).


Y'shua also told Natan'el that he is like
righteous Avraham who received his reward for trusting God. This is
understood because of the phrase, "Here is a true Israelite, in whom there
is nothing false". The millennial concept of the fig tree is found
throughout the Tanach including Z'kharyah 3:10:


"In that day each of you will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and fig tree", declares the
LORD Almighty. For this reason Natan'el responded emphatically to Y'shua
and His words, saying: "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; You are the King of
Israel!"

God through HaMashiach Y'shua spoke to the Jews in many portions and in
many ways (Hebrews 1:1-2) relying upon known figures of speech, common
expectations and direct thoughts from Talmudic and Pharisaic teachings. The
concepts I addressed only scratch the surface, so-to-speak.


Every phrase
and word from the mouth of the Lord meant something to His audience. He
spoke with precision. With that as a basis, let us go on to one of the most
interesting Jewish figures of speech misunderstood by the Church over the
years. It concerns Y'shua's phrase,


"No one knows about that day or hour,
not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father". In
context, He refers to the home-taking of His bride, the beginning of the
Messianic era and His millennial reign as King of kings over all the earth.
To understand this concept, we begin by examining its foundation.

ROSH HASHANAH

Chapter Five described the annual Jewish Festival of Trumpets or Rosh
HaShanah - the first day of the seventh month. A few themes linked to this
Jewish festival are resurrection, repentance, kingship, corronation and a
marriage feast.


This chapter shows another theme and convincing proof that
Rosh HaShanah is not only the start of "The Day of the Lord" (Millennium),
but is also the day of the resurrection! It has to do with the moon and its
29-day cycle of renewal.

In this period of slightly less than 30 days, the moon goes from darkness
to light and back to darkness again. This is not a haphazard occurrence
attributed to evolution or science.

God planned it for many reasons, one
being as a picture of resurrection and renewal. With each cycle of nearly
30 days the ancient rabbis understood that the moon was being reborn or
"born again" (Sefard siddur, Mussaf for Shabbat and Shabbat Rosh Chodesh,
p. 509 and 646-648).

NEW MOON

In Y'shua's day, the moon was so important that a Jewish festival was
proclaimed at the beginning of every month (Talmud Tractate Chaggigah 17b;
Shavuot 10a; Arachin 10b). This was called the New Moon Festival and in the
B'rit Chadashah, Rabbi Sha'ul (Paul) makes note of it (Colossians 2:16).
Even in the Tanach, King David provoked King Sha'ul (Saul) over it (1
Shmu'el-Samuel 20:5).


In the coming millennium the gate of the inner court
of the Temple facing east shall be opened on the new moon
(Yechezk'el-Ezekiel 46:1).


And finally in the millennium all nations will
celebrate the New Moon festival every month (Yeshayahu-Isaiah 66:23). It is
obvious from the Hebrew Scriptures that in the millennium God has no plans
to do away with His system.

Since it is so important, exactly what is a new moon? It is the opposite of
a full moon. Every month the moon goes through a complete cycle of renewal
called Rosh Chodesh, the head or beginning of the renewed month. Twelve
times a year on Rosh Chodesh, the moon always starts off with its disk
being very dark to the naked eye.


Over the course of 15 days it gets
brighter and brighter until it finally reaches a full white-faced disk or
full moon. Over the next 15 days it becomes darker and darker and finally
becomes invisible to the naked eye again.

The ancient rabbis saw a great lesson in this. Just as the moon has no
light of its own but receives its light from the sun, so we too have no
light of our own and must receive it from God.


As the moon goes through a
near 30-day cycle of dark to light to dark, so we need constant spiritual
renewal and repentance. Like the moon, we too must be reborn or "born
again" into HaMashiach and constantly renewed through repentance. This is
why God called it a faithful witness in the sky (Mizmor-Psalm 89:37).

If the moon is so important to God, why do we pay so little attention to
it? We have lost touch with God's faithful witness in the sky. But Y'shua
and the people of His day never lost touch with it. And as I previously
noted, not only was the new moon necessary for the Jewish calendar, it was
also a monthly festival celebrated with a feast fit for a king!


So, when
Y'shua said His famous words in Mattityahu-Matthew 24:36, it had
far-reaching implications. Here are the words of Y'shua in a few different
translations:

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but
my Father only. (KJV)

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the Father. (NIV) But of that day and hour knoweth no one,
not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. (ASV)
About the exact time, however, and the hour, none knows - not even the
messengers of Heaven; but My Father alone. (Fenton Modern English
Translation)

Failing to think like Y'shua and taking phrases out of Jewish context can
lead one to misunderstand His words. For example, in many places of the
B'rit Chadashah Y'shua knew the future and talked about it openly. In one
instance He warned His talmidim (disciples) about their future saying,
"See, I have told you ahead of time" (Mattityahu-Matthew 24:25). His
context concerned the tribulation, the destruction of the Temple, the rise
and fall of false messiahs (antichrists), etc.


If He knew the future in
Mattityahu 24:25, and the context concerns the Day of Trouble, why would He
suddenly speak as though He did not know the future in the same context
just 11 verses later in Mattityahu 24:36? Was He confused? Or was He making
perfect sense in light of the customs of the Jews?

Since the subject of our discussion is the new moon and figures of speech,
realize the phrase, "Of that day and hour no man knows" refers to the
sanctification or setting apart of the new moon. Without this
sanctification, the Jews had no way of determining God's "appointed times"
or moedim.

Twelve times a year a new Jewish month (Rosh Chodesh) was announced to the
people. We have no system like it today. We look at a calendar to determine
the first of the month; the Jews, however, looked at the moon.


This system
of chronology was given to the Jews to know precisely when the Holy
festivals (moedim) would fall (there are still eight of them; seven
appointed times and Shabbat). The moon was the faithful Jewish calendar or
witness in the sky and 12 times a year was sanctified as the basis of the
Jewish stellar calendar.

GOD'S APPOINTED TIMES

Because the moon was so important for Jewish date - setting, the authorities
in charge of announcing the new moon in Y'rushalayim took great care to
ensure the first day of the month was announced on time. To correctly
announce the first day of the month, established by the new moon, was one
of the Sanhedrin's greatest responsibilities. They had to ensure the people
knew when the first of the month began 12 times a year! Therefore God said
to the leaders of Israel:

These are the appointed times of the Lord, holy convocations which you
shall proclaim at the times appointed for them (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:4).

In other words, God gave the Sanhedrin authority to announce and sanctify
the new moon to the people. Its proclamation on earth was supported by God
in Heaven (c.f. Mattityahu 18:18-20 where the Jewish context supports a
believers' Sanhedrin as seen in Acts 15).


As soon as the new moon was
announced, the first day of the month began. Once the beginning of the new
month was established, the festivals and weekly Shabbats for the upcoming
month were sanctified for observance. In Hebrew, those observances have
always been called "appointed  times" or moedim, literally "a sacred and
set time".


From God's perspective, the appointed times belong to Him
(Midrash Rabbah Numbers, Vol 2.21.25, p. 852) and no one has the authority
to change the celebration of an appointed time.


To do so was a serious
matter and great sin. Appointed times had to be kept because of their
Messianic implications.

Further in Vayikrah (Leviticus) 23:4, notice the phrase, "holy
convocation". The phrase in Hebrew is mikraw kodesh, better translated,
"holy convocation and rehearsal". In other words, God's appointed times are
actually "holy rehearsals" set apart to reflect events in the Messianic
era. God said to the people,


"Pay attention! On this day I am going to do
something! Wake-up! The Jews were to know and practice all of God's mikraot
or holy convocations. This is the essence of Rav Sha'ul's words that the
Shabbat, new moons and festivals, "are a shadow of things to come; the body
of Mashiach" (Colossians 2:17).

Twice a year, in the spring and fall, there were several appointed times
and specific days of holy convocation dedicated to the Lord. The new moon
was the key in being able to fulfill those set times, holy convocations and
rehearsals.


For example, when the new moon was announced on the first day
of Nisan, also called Aviv, the people knew when to observe the holy
convocations and set times of the 10th (Shemot-Exodus 12:3), 14th and 15th
(Shemot-Exodus 12:6; Bamidbar-Numbers 33:3), 16th (Vayikrah-Leviticus
23:15), and finally the 21st.


In the same way, when the new moon was
announced on the first day of Tishri also called Ethanim, the people knew
when to observe the Holy convocations of the 1st  (Vayikrah-Leviticus
23:23), 10th  (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:26), 15th  (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:39),
and 22nd  (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:36).


Thus from the announcement of the new
moon to the festival dates which followed, it was only a matter of counting
the right number of days. In a moment you will understand how this applies
to the phrase that Y'shua spoke concerning His coming again.

THE SANHEDRIN AND THE TWO WITNESSES

The Mishnah, also referred to as the Oral Law, dealt with the legal
elements of daily Jewish religious life, in Hebrew called halachah. In the
treasure of the first and second century halachah we find many explanations
to help us understand the Torah particularly in Y'shua's day since it was
still oral then.


In volume two called "moed" or festival, tractate Rosh
HaShanah teaches us about the Sanhedrin and its selection process of two
witnesses who would tell us when the new moon arrived. Once a month the
Sanhedrin discussed when to proclaim the new moon. They did this through
the agency of two witnesses, the element of all legal transactions in
Judaism.

One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any
sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the
mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.   Deut 19:15

The men were important because by their witness, Israel celebrated God's
appointed times. They had to be of good character and were always treated
with great honour.


They had special privileges such as authorization to
ride into Y'rushalayim on horseback on the Shabbat to bring the good news
of the new moon festivities! The men had special status because they were
the confirmation that Y'hudah (Judaea)  depended on for the correct timing
of the new month and the festivals.

Rosh HaShanah Chapter 2, Mishnah 5 reads: There was a large court in
Jerusalem called Beth Ya'azek. There all the witnesses used to assemble and
the Beth Din used to examine them. They used to entertain them lavishly
there so that they should have an inducement to come. (The witnesses were
allowed to break the Shabbat travel restrictions for this one purpose lest
they might be reluctant to come and give the essential evidence of the
sighting of the new moon).

Continuing in Chapter 2, Mishnah 6: How do they test the witnesses? The
pair who arrive first are tested first. The senior of them is brought in
and they say to him, tell us how you saw the moon - in front of the sun or
behind the sun? To the north of it or the south? How big was it, and in
which direction was it inclined?


And how broad was it? If he says (he saw
it) in front of the sun, his evidence is rejected. After that they would
bring in the second and test him.


If their accounts tallied, their evidence
was accepted, and the other pairs were only questioned briefly, not because
they were required at all, but so that they should not be disappointed,
(and) so that they should not be dissuaded from coming.

In qualifying the witnesses, the Sanhedrin used the following criteria:
They never arrived at the same time.
They were never questioned at the same time.
There were always two new witnesses each month.

In short, the two qualified witnesses usually stood before the Nassi or
President of the Sanhedrin (Jewish High Court) to give account of the
moon's appearance prior to its becoming total dark (Moed Rosh HaShanah,
Chapter 3, Mishnah 1).


Just before the moon's disk enters total darkness,
there are tiny slivers of white on the edges of the waning disk. These were
called the "horns" of the moon.

Correctly sighting the "horns" (on the
waning crescent) determined the beginning of the new month. Once the two
witnesses were qualified and questioned, if the President (who had
knowledge of astronomy) was convinced their observation was accurate, he
publicly sanctified the start of the new month.

After careful scrutiny to determine the official arrival of the new moon,
the Nassi or President of the Sanhedrin proclaimed Rosh Chodesh with the
words: "Sanctified", and all the people repeat after him, "Sanctified,
sanctified". After the proclamation, the Sanhedrin ordered watchmen on the
nearby hillsides to light fires and thus inform the Jews in all of Y'hudah
(Judaea), Shomron (Samaria), Egypt, Babylon and the galut (diaspora) that
the new month had begun. That started the festival of the New Moon and
counting of the next 29- days to the next new month proclamation.

Again, once the Sanhedrin set Rosh Chodesh, or the beginning of the new
month by sighting the new moon, the rest of the festivals were calculated.
However, the seventh month, Tishri, was particularly important because it
was the only month that had a holy convocation or appointed time on the
first day of the month.


This posed a unique problem. The first day of
Tishri was the appointed time called Rosh HaShanah, the Feast of Trumpets
(Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:24). Yet no one could begin observing the festival
until they heard those famous words from the President of the Sanhedrin,
"Sanctified!"

No one in Israel could plan for the first day of the seventh month Tishri,
called Yom Teruah or the Feast of Trumpets (also called Rosh HaShanah).
When they knew how many days to count to a festival, that would be easy.
But:

HOW COULD THEY PLAN FOR A FESTIVAL THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW AT WHAT DAY OR
HOUR IT WOULD PUBLICALLY BE ANNOUNCED AND THUS BEGIN?

This was unique to Rosh HaShanah and dependent upon the testimony of the
two witnesses. Prophetically, we are informed of two important witnesses
during the Great Tribulation:

And I will give power unto My Two Witnesses, and they will prophesy 1260
days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:3

Of course, anyone could look up into the twilight or early morning sky and,
if they looked hard enough, see the new moon or at least its "horns". And
certainly an astute observer knew when about 29- days were completed since
the previous Rosh Chodesh.

But recall, ONLY THE SANHEDRIN NASSI had the
authority to proclaim the first of Tishri, which was already established as
a technical procedure.


Once proclaimed, the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh
HaShanah) commenced. Until that public announcement by the Nassi, everyone
had to wait before they could begin the observance of the festival. No one
could begin the festival beforehand!


Thus, we can more clearly see the
analogy Jesus made with His words: "But of that day and hour knoweth no
man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" was in regards to
this important festival of Rosh HaShanah.

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The  statement of Mat 24:36.."But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." has nothing to do with Rosh HaShanah but rather the Harpozo Mr. Avi Ben Mordechai's alluded to in the first paragraphs of his article.

In Romans 11:25.."For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

This Blindness of Israel is in my opinion covers all of Israel including those interpretations of the Hebrew manuscripts. Note, because of these interpretations even when partial Blindness was not a part of the package , they did not recognize the Messiah.

If we go back in verses to Mat 24:32:35, we find the Parable of the FIG TREE. "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: v33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. v34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. v35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

**Now before everybody starts posting that the Fig Tree is either Israel or Jerusalem; **
We need to look at a parallel passage in Luke 21:29.."And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;"

The part "and all the Trees"removes any doubt of what the Fig Tree is alluding to. A TREE!  There is NO Metaphor of Israel or Jerusalem here.

In Mat 24:32, we find the trees are sprouting leaves (Springtime) as the coming of summer is Nigh (near).

In Mat 24:33, Jesus tells us: "when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors."    You shall see WHAT?  and What is NEAR? (time period) and Where and what are the DOORS?

If we go on to Mat 24:34.....We can see a little more of what is unfolding here. "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
A Biblical Generation is 38-40 years. This is the Generation God spoke of to Moses followed by the 38 years in the wilderness. The "Prophecies" will be fulfilled are in the following verse 35.

In Mat 24:35.."Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."   Here Jesus is telling us the Heaven (1st Heaven is our SKY) and the Earth will pass (destroyed)  but He will still be here with us. 

We see this prophecy take place  in REV 21:1..."And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
Then in Mat 24:36.."But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Is this verse speaking of the 2nd coming of Christ?

There are only two events that are normally compared to each other and debated about when they are likely to happen. These two are the Harpozo (Rapture of the Body of Christ) and the 2nd Advent of Jesus Christ.

Lets look at each of them.

First the 2nd Advent.... we know more about this event that we do about all the years that Jesus walked the earth as a mortal man. We know through the prophecies told to Daniel by God's Angel Gabriel in Chapter 9,  there will be a final week of years (7 Years) where the Wrath of GOD will come down on the earth bringing an end to sin (REV, ISA, etc). Only then will Jesus Christ come back (2nd Advent) to earth to do battle (Armageddon) and set up a 1000 years of His reign on David's Throne in Jerusalem.

The Harpazo (Rapture) does not have any event preceding it but it does have to happen in order for the "Man of Sin, Son of Perdition" to make his appearance, according to 2 Thes 2:3.."Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

When the trees in the spring begin to bud and millions of people disappear without any  plausible explaination except the Harpozo: The people of the world who see these events will be: The generation that shall not pass and most likely will see the 2nd coming of  Lord Jesus Christ when He returns to Earth (2nd Advent). That is if they live through Daniel's 70th week.

There are those that preach Daniel's 70th year will begin immediately after the Rapture.

However, using the model above there appears to be a GAP  of some 33 years  (40-7) following the Harpozo and before the opening of Daniel's 70th week by the antichrist. This leads us to a timeline that is rather unexpected but just might be our future and gives the verse 36 .."But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."  a new meaning and direction.

Blade
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: patrick jane on December 01, 2018, 04:27:10 pm
Excellent study Blade, really good.
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: patrick jane on December 07, 2018, 03:35:07 pm
Do NETANYAHU & POPE Identify the TWO WITNESSES?! Antichrist in 2019? Prophecy News & Prophecy Update


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Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on December 17, 2018, 08:15:16 pm
Do NETANYAHU & POPE Identify the TWO WITNESSES?! Antichrist in 2019? Prophecy News & Prophecy Update


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A lot of good information about the coming Witnesses from an aspect of Israel. Thank you

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Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: patrick jane on March 06, 2019, 09:47:55 pm
*AGE OF DECEIT 3* (FULL) Remnants in the Cyber_Hive Earth



In this third film in the AGE OF DECEIT series, we explore the massive and rapid changes from the economy, the infrastructure of cities, communities, families, and even our own biology, and how it's all beginning to look/sound/feel/become eerily similar to what was recorded in the ancient Scriptures.

Understanding the circumstances surrounding the Tower of Babel helps us properly analyze and assess our current conflict laden society regarding everything from politics, geopolitics, science and technology, among a variety of spiritual issues like metaphysics, angels, demons, gods, and God.

The human rebellion has been part of the issue concerning our current state of affairs. But too many do not consider the divine rebellion as the primary source of our situation. Agents of the divine rebellion seem to be all over the emergence of computing technology and cybernetics in the 20th century. As the 21st century marches on, we expect to see the tangible effects emerge more and more.

In our contemporary milieu where philosophical propositions like the "simulation theory" are becoming the common perception of the world, it becomes obvious that sin itself is akin to a computer virus, attempting to derail the intended purpose, will and work of God's creation. The effects of the sin virus is decay, with the goal of death.

But our reality is not left to dust. Embedded in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, are all the necessary pieces of information to declare the reversal of the sin virus (remission of sin/repentance) and hence the eradication of death. His bodily resurrection also declares the promised state of our own resurrection, when we will get to reign with God as heirs to Christ.


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Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on April 29, 2019, 09:27:43 pm
*AGE OF DECEIT 3* (FULL) Remnants in the Cyber_Hive Earth



In this third film in the AGE OF DECEIT series, we explore the massive and rapid changes from the economy, the infrastructure of cities, communities, families, and even our own biology, and how it's all beginning to look/sound/feel/become eerily similar to what was recorded in the ancient Scriptures.

Understanding the circumstances surrounding the Tower of Babel helps us properly analyze and assess our current conflict laden society regarding everything from politics, geopolitics, science and technology, among a variety of spiritual issues like metaphysics, angels, demons, gods, and God.

The human rebellion has been part of the issue concerning our current state of affairs. But too many do not consider the divine rebellion as the primary source of our situation. Agents of the divine rebellion seem to be all over the emergence of computing technology and cybernetics in the 20th century. As the 21st century marches on, we expect to see the tangible effects emerge more and more.

In our contemporary milieu where philosophical propositions like the "simulation theory" are becoming the common perception of the world, it becomes obvious that sin itself is akin to a computer virus, attempting to derail the intended purpose, will and work of God's creation. The effects of the sin virus is decay, with the goal of death.

But our reality is not left to dust. Embedded in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, are all the necessary pieces of information to declare the reversal of the sin virus (remission of sin/repentance) and hence the eradication of death. His bodily resurrection also declares the promised state of our own resurrection, when we will get to reign with God as heirs to Christ.


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I get back to it. have copied the link.

Blade
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: patrick jane on June 12, 2019, 04:53:58 am
It's a long one Blade.
Title: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: patrick jane on June 29, 2019, 11:21:10 am
It's a long one Blade.
yes
Title: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: Bladerunner on July 20, 2019, 09:57:13 pm
It's a long one Blade.
yes

yes it is long....hard to digest.

Blade
Title: Re: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on September 10, 2019, 08:21:21 pm
*******

I'll give a brief outline of REV. starting at 4.1. The Church (body of Christ ) is in Heaven. WHY? because the 24 Elders represent the Church. The Elders cast their crowns to the throne in Rev 4:10, they are the church for in Rev 5.8.. "for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"    These elders are also the same ones that had Harps , vial full of odour (prayers of the saints). I might add those prayers of those saints (church, Body of Christ).  Here the saints under the alter are not yet!

Chapter four and Five happen in the Throne room of GOD and is
seen then by JOHN.   In Chapter 6, Jesus Opens the Seals. This is prior to the Daniel's 70th week as the antichrist (man of sin, son of perdition) has not yet signed a covenant (enforcement) of treaty between Israel and "Death and Hell" (Isa 28:14-18)

* GOD's WRATH follows with Seals, Trumpets and Viles(Bowls).  Rem, GOD is always in control!

Jesus  opens the 1st seal and send the white horse and rider (antichrist) to earth to conquer....Not to kill for he has a bow but no arrows, but to conquer in peace. He will help bring a small amount of peace to the earth before the 2nd horse (RED) and Rider are loosed on the earth .

Jesus opens the Second Seal  (Rev 6:3) and sends the Red horse and rider to earth to take the peace away so that man will kill each other.  Wars on earth are increased under this seal.

NOTE: There is a GAP during the time of the Rapture of the Church and the signing (antichrist) of the covenant with Israel. This time I believe to be somewhere around 29-33 years. WHY? in Matthew 24: 34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."  While most people look at this from the generation (38-40 years) of the people at that time... What Jesus tells them is the parable in Mat 24:32-33. When you see the signs happen? What signs,,,,, The disappearance of 300,000,000 people in a twinkle of a eye, the  resulting wars caused by the Rapture and Seal 2. These people (this Generation) will see the 2nd coming of Christ.  Somewhere during this time period, the antichrist (Seal 1) has come to power and secured his place as the leader to become a leader of the world.

Jesus opens the Third Seal (Rev 6:5) and sent the Black horse and rider to take away the  food of the earth. Barley is a  horses feed yet only it and wheat are available for food and bread. NOTICE..He is ordered (by Jesus) NOT to HURT the OIL and WINE. This represents the wealthy few. They of course will not be starving as the general population will be at this time.  As with all wars, hunger, pestilence and death follows.

Jesus opens the Fourth Seal  (Rev 6:7) and sends the PALE (Green) Horse and Jesus tells us who the riders are. Death and Hell..... Death of the Body and Hell for the Soul. For THEY were given 1/4 of the earth to kill with a sword or  hunger or another type of death or death by the beast of earth.   It appears it has to be GOD's wrath for the Beast to kill the people on a large scale. 1/4 of the earth's population is 7 billion.. This amounts to 1.75 BILLION PEOPLE will die by this Seal.

*This ends the Horsemen of the Seals yet the seals are far from finished.

 Yes, sir,,,, it is a local event.

Jesus opens the Fifth Seal  (Rev 6:9) and John see those who were slain for their testimony of the lord Jesus before their death. After the Rapture of the Church, the period of Grace as we know it today will be over, The new gospel will by the "Everlasting Gospel". During this gospel we find in the WORDs of GOD; that to become a Saint, one will have to Die in the name of Jesus Christ.  This is what is the subject  in the next two verses. Rev 6:10-11.

Notice there are two types of connections (Fellow servants and Brethren) to those that are martyred under the altar.  Later on in Revelation we are told of a multitude of those that died in the name of Jesus. This happens just before the start of the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week and just prior to the vials (Bowls) of judgment.

Jesus opens the Sixth Seal (Rev 6:12) and ********************
Title: Re: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: patrick jane on December 03, 2019, 11:32:16 am
*******

I'll give a brief outline of REV. starting at 4.1. The Church (body of Christ ) is in Heaven. WHY? because the 24 Elders represent the Church. The Elders cast their crowns to the throne in Rev 4:10, they are the church for in Rev 5.8.. "for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"    These elders are also the same ones that had Harps , vial full of odour (prayers of the saints). I might add those prayers of those saints (church, Body of Christ).  Here the saints under the alter are not yet!

Chapter four and Five happen in the Throne room of GOD and is
seen then by JOHN.   In Chapter 6, Jesus Opens the Seals. This is prior to the Daniel's 70th week as the antichrist (man of sin, son of perdition) has not yet signed a covenant (enforcement) of treaty between Israel and "Death and Hell" (Isa 28:14-18)

* GOD's WRATH follows with Seals, Trumpets and Viles(Bowls).  Rem, GOD is always in control!

Jesus  opens the 1st seal and send the white horse and rider (antichrist) to earth to conquer....Not to kill for he has a bow but no arrows, but to conquer in peace. He will help bring a small amount of peace to the earth before the 2nd horse (RED) and Rider are loosed on the earth .

Jesus opens the Second Seal  (Rev 6:3) and sends the Red horse and rider to earth to take the peace away so that man will kill each other.  Wars on earth are increased under this seal.

NOTE: There is a GAP during the time of the Rapture of the Church and the signing (antichrist) of the covenant with Israel. This time I believe to be somewhere around 29-33 years. WHY? in Matthew 24: 34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."  While most people look at this from the generation (38-40 years) of the people at that time... What Jesus tells them is the parable in Mat 24:32-33. When you see the signs happen? What signs,,,,, The disappearance of 300,000,000 people in a twinkle of a eye, the  resulting wars caused by the Rapture and Seal 2. These people (this Generation) will see the 2nd coming of Christ.  Somewhere during this time period, the antichrist (Seal 1) has come to power and secured his place as the leader to become a leader of the world.

Jesus opens the Third Seal (Rev 6:5) and sent the Black horse and rider to take away the  food of the earth. Barley is a  horses feed yet only it and wheat are available for food and bread. NOTICE..He is ordered (by Jesus) NOT to HURT the OIL and WINE. This represents the wealthy few. They of course will not be starving as the general population will be at this time.  As with all wars, hunger, pestilence and death follows.

Jesus opens the Fourth Seal  (Rev 6:7) and sends the PALE (Green) Horse and Jesus tells us who the riders are. Death and Hell..... Death of the Body and Hell for the Soul. For THEY were given 1/4 of the earth to kill with a sword or  hunger or another type of death or death by the beast of earth.   It appears it has to be GOD's wrath for the Beast to kill the people on a large scale. 1/4 of the earth's population is 7 billion.. This amounts to 1.75 BILLION PEOPLE will die by this Seal.

*This ends the Horsemen of the Seals yet the seals are far from finished.

 Yes, sir,,,, it is a local event.

Jesus opens the Fifth Seal  (Rev 6:9) and John see those who were slain for their testimony of the lord Jesus before their death. After the Rapture of the Church, the period of Grace as we know it today will be over, The new gospel will by the "Everlasting Gospel". During this gospel we find in the WORDs of GOD; that to become a Saint, one will have to Die in the name of Jesus Christ.  This is what is the subject  in the next two verses. Rev 6:10-11.

Notice there are two types of connections (Fellow servants and Brethren) to those that are martyred under the altar.  Later on in Revelation we are told of a multitude of those that died in the name of Jesus. This happens just before the start of the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week and just prior to the vials (Bowls) of judgment.

Jesus opens the Sixth Seal (Rev 6:12) and ********************
I'm going to read this on my live streams and read the book of Revelation to the guests. Maybe today or tonight.
Title: Re: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on December 03, 2019, 06:18:41 pm
*******

I'll give a brief outline of REV. starting at 4.1. The Church (body of Christ ) is in Heaven. WHY? because the 24 Elders represent the Church. The Elders cast their crowns to the throne in Rev 4:10, they are the church for in Rev 5.8.. "for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"    These elders are also the same ones that had Harps , vial full of odour (prayers of the saints). I might add those prayers of those saints (church, Body of Christ).  Here the saints under the alter are not yet!

Chapter four and Five happen in the Throne room of GOD and is
seen then by JOHN.   In Chapter 6, Jesus Opens the Seals. This is prior to the Daniel's 70th week as the antichrist (man of sin, son of perdition) has not yet signed a covenant (enforcement) of treaty between Israel and "Death and Hell" (Isa 28:14-18)

* GOD's WRATH follows with Seals, Trumpets and Viles(Bowls).  Rem, GOD is always in control!

Jesus  opens the 1st seal and send the white horse and rider (antichrist) to earth to conquer....Not to kill for he has a bow but no arrows, but to conquer in peace. He will help bring a small amount of peace to the earth before the 2nd horse (RED) and Rider are loosed on the earth .

Jesus opens the Second Seal  (Rev 6:3) and sends the Red horse and rider to earth to take the peace away so that man will kill each other.  Wars on earth are increased under this seal.

NOTE: There is a GAP during the time of the Rapture of the Church and the signing (antichrist) of the covenant with Israel. This time I believe to be somewhere around 29-33 years. WHY? in Matthew 24: 34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."  While most people look at this from the generation (38-40 years) of the people at that time... What Jesus tells them is the parable in Mat 24:32-33. When you see the signs happen? What signs,,,,, The disappearance of 300,000,000 people in a twinkle of a eye, the  resulting wars caused by the Rapture and Seal 2. These people (this Generation) will see the 2nd coming of Christ.  Somewhere during this time period, the antichrist (Seal 1) has come to power and secured his place as the leader to become a leader of the world.

Jesus opens the Third Seal (Rev 6:5) and sent the Black horse and rider to take away the  food of the earth. Barley is a  horses feed yet only it and wheat are available for food and bread. NOTICE..He is ordered (by Jesus) NOT to HURT the OIL and WINE. This represents the wealthy few. They of course will not be starving as the general population will be at this time.  As with all wars, hunger, pestilence and death follows.

Jesus opens the Fourth Seal  (Rev 6:7) and sends the PALE (Green) Horse and Jesus tells us who the riders are. Death and Hell..... Death of the Body and Hell for the Soul. For THEY were given 1/4 of the earth to kill with a sword or  hunger or another type of death or death by the beast of earth.   It appears it has to be GOD's wrath for the Beast to kill the people on a large scale. 1/4 of the earth's population is 7 billion.. This amounts to 1.75 BILLION PEOPLE will die by this Seal.

*This ends the Horsemen of the Seals yet the seals are far from finished.

 Yes, sir,,,, it is a local event.

Jesus opens the Fifth Seal  (Rev 6:9) and John see those who were slain for their testimony of the lord Jesus before their death. After the Rapture of the Church, the period of Grace as we know it today will be over, The new gospel will by the "Everlasting Gospel". During this gospel we find in the WORDs of GOD; that to become a Saint, one will have to Die in the name of Jesus Christ.  This is what is the subject  in the next two verses. Rev 6:10-11.

Notice there are two types of connections (Fellow servants and Brethren) to those that are martyred under the altar.  Later on in Revelation we are told of a multitude of those that died in the name of Jesus. This happens just before the start of the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week and just prior to the vials (Bowls) of judgment.

Jesus opens the Sixth Seal (Rev 6:12) and ********************
I'm going to read this on my live streams and read the book of Revelation to the guests. Maybe today or tonight.

Title: Re: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on December 03, 2019, 06:19:53 pm
*******

I'll give a brief outline of REV. starting at 4.1. The Church (body of Christ ) is in Heaven. WHY? because the 24 Elders represent the Church. The Elders cast their crowns to the throne in Rev 4:10, they are the church for in Rev 5.8.. "for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"    These elders are also the same ones that had Harps , vial full of odour (prayers of the saints). I might add those prayers of those saints (church, Body of Christ).  Here the saints under the alter are not yet!

Chapter four and Five happen in the Throne room of GOD and is
seen then by JOHN.   In Chapter 6, Jesus Opens the Seals. This is prior to the Daniel's 70th week as the antichrist (man of sin, son of perdition) has not yet signed a covenant (enforcement) of treaty between Israel and "Death and Hell" (Isa 28:14-18)

* GOD's WRATH follows with Seals, Trumpets and Viles(Bowls).  Rem, GOD is always in control!

Jesus  opens the 1st seal and send the white horse and rider (antichrist) to earth to conquer....Not to kill for he has a bow but no arrows, but to conquer in peace. He will help bring a small amount of peace to the earth before the 2nd horse (RED) and Rider are loosed on the earth .

Jesus opens the Second Seal  (Rev 6:3) and sends the Red horse and rider to earth to take the peace away so that man will kill each other.  Wars on earth are increased under this seal.

NOTE: There is a GAP during the time of the Rapture of the Church and the signing (antichrist) of the covenant with Israel. This time I believe to be somewhere around 29-33 years. WHY? in Matthew 24: 34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."  While most people look at this from the generation (38-40 years) of the people at that time... What Jesus tells them is the parable in Mat 24:32-33. When you see the signs happen? What signs,,,,, The disappearance of 300,000,000 people in a twinkle of a eye, the  resulting wars caused by the Rapture and Seal 2. These people (this Generation) will see the 2nd coming of Christ.  Somewhere during this time period, the antichrist (Seal 1) has come to power and secured his place as the leader to become a leader of the world.

Jesus opens the Third Seal (Rev 6:5) and sent the Black horse and rider to take away the  food of the earth. Barley is a  horses feed yet only it and wheat are available for food and bread. NOTICE..He is ordered (by Jesus) NOT to HURT the OIL and WINE. This represents the wealthy few. They of course will not be starving as the general population will be at this time.  As with all wars, hunger, pestilence and death follows.

Jesus opens the Fourth Seal  (Rev 6:7) and sends the PALE (Green) Horse and Jesus tells us who the riders are. Death and Hell..... Death of the Body and Hell for the Soul. For THEY were given 1/4 of the earth to kill with a sword or  hunger or another type of death or death by the beast of earth.   It appears it has to be GOD's wrath for the Beast to kill the people on a large scale. 1/4 of the earth's population is 7 billion.. This amounts to 1.75 BILLION PEOPLE will die by this Seal.

*This ends the Horsemen of the Seals yet the seals are far from finished.

 Yes, sir,,,, it is a local event.

Jesus opens the Fifth Seal  (Rev 6:9) and John see those who were slain for their testimony of the lord Jesus before their death. After the Rapture of the Church, the period of Grace as we know it today will be over, The new gospel will by the "Everlasting Gospel". During this gospel we find in the WORDs of GOD; that to become a Saint, one will have to Die in the name of Jesus Christ.  This is what is the subject  in the next two verses. Rev 6:10-11.

Notice there are two types of connections (Fellow servants and Brethren) to those that are martyred under the altar.  Later on in Revelation we are told of a multitude of those that died in the name of Jesus. This happens just before the start of the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week and just prior to the vials (Bowls) of judgment.

Jesus opens the Sixth Seal (Rev 6:12) and ********************
I'm going to read this on my live streams and read the book of Revelation to the guests. Maybe today or tonight.
you have access to my work, use it, may it bring someone to Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Wayne Gabler on February 02, 2020, 09:08:38 pm
I'm going to promote that Revelations is written in the same format as Daniel in that a prophecy in a vision is given. Da:2 comes with an explanation and following chapters explain the vision in more detail. Revelation uses the trumps as the explanation. The coals from the altar being tossed onto the earth is the first event that is part of the sequence that is set out for the 'latter days' of De:4:30

Re:6:1:
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals,
and I heard,
as it were the noise of thunder,
one of the four beasts saying,
Come and see.

This would be the start of the day that only God knows when it begins. By start that means at the first prophecy that has to unfold to mark the day starting. The additional verse is a companion verse that pretty much eliminates all other explanations. Christ is the angel with the coals. That is the sealing of the 144,000 from the 12 Tribes , the two witnesses and the ones counted as  being in the Re:11 Temple.

Isa:49:2:
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;

Re:6:2:
And I saw,
and behold a white horse:
and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him:
and he went forth conquering,
and to conquer.

Re:7:2:
And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God:
and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels,
to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Re:7:3:
Saying,
Hurt not the earth,
neither the sea,
nor the trees,
till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Re:8:2-6:
And I saw the seven angels which stood before God;
and to them were given seven trumpets.
And another angel came and stood at the altar,
having a golden censer;
and there was given unto him much incense,
that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
And the smoke of the incense,
which came with the prayers of the saints,
ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
And the angel took the censer,
and filled it with fire of the altar,
and cast it into the earth:
and there were voices,
and thunderings,
and lightnings,
and an earthquake.
And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Both the Gentiles in the courtyard and the two witnesses have the same amount of days allotted as 42 months is exactly 1260 days. The beast that kills them starts his 42 months when the 5th trump sounds and the 1260 days is over when the 7th trump sounds and that is on the 4th day after the two witnesses have entered the grave. The points to the first 4 trumps having to sound at the rate of 1 per day for 4 consecutive days and the 5th trump sounds on the 5th day that starts a period of time that runs for 1260 days.
Romans:13 was when Jesus gave the authority to control a sword that was designed to protect the citizens from evil, a red sword is the same sword but it brings evil on the very people it was meant to be protecting

Re:6:3:
And when he had opened the second seal,
I heard the second beast say,
Come and see.
Re:6:4:
And there went out another horse that was red:
and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth,
and that they should kill one another:
and there was given unto him a great sword.

Ro:13:1-4:
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.
For there is no power but of God:
the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power,
resisteth the ordinance of God:
and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works,
but to the evil.
Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power?
do that which is good,
and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil,
be afraid;
for he beareth not the sword in vain:
for he is the minister of God,
a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Re:8:7:
The first angel sounded,
and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood,
and they were cast upon the earth:
and the third part of trees was burnt up,
and all green grass was burnt up.

In a literalist fulfillment that would happen so it was fulfilled by the end of the 4th day. The red sword and the black horse (food) points to Military Law being called on a global scale.


Re:6:5:
And when he had opened the third seal,
I heard the third beast say,
Come and see.
And I beheld,
and lo a black horse;
and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Re:6:6:
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say,
A measure of wheat for a penny,
and three measures of barley for a penny;
and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

That global army surrenders within one four of the 5th trumps sounding and that would be to Satan and the Beast from the PIT, 2 fallen angels that are the iron in Daniel's iron/clay kingdom. The 5th trump is hell on earth for 5 months and the the 37 months (1110 days), death comes to 1/3 of all the people on the planet. The full break-down will be in the 'day of the lord' part. Literalism is still the rule, the 4 fallen angels in the 6th trump manifest into 200M horsemen and their fate is documented quite well

Re:6:7:
And when he had opened the fourth seal,
I heard the voice of the fourth beast say,
Come and see.
Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

Re:9:1-12:
And the fifth angel sounded,
and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit;
and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
as the smoke of a great furnace;
and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth:
and unto them was given power,
as the scorpions of the earth have power.
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth,
neither any green thing,
neither any tree;
but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
And to them it was given that they should not kill them,
but that they should be tormented five months:
and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion,
when he striketh a man.
And in those days shall men seek death,
and shall not find it;
and shall desire to die,
and death shall flee from them.
And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle;
and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold,
and their faces were as the faces of men.
And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
And they had breastplates,
as it were breastplates of iron;
and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
And they had tails like unto scorpions,
and there were stings in their tails:
and their power was to hurt men five months.
And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit,
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
One woe is past;
and,
behold,
there come two woes more hereafter.

Re:9:13-21:
And the sixth angel sounded,
and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet,
Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
and a day,
and a month,
and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.
And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand:
and I heard the number of them.
And thus I saw the horses in the vision,
and them that sat on them,
having breastplates of fire,
and of jacinth,
and brimstone:
and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions;
and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
By these three was the third part of men killed,
by the fire,
and by the smoke,
and by the brimstone,
which issued out of their mouths.
For their power is in their mouth,
and in their tails:
for their tails were like unto serpents,
and had heads,
and with them they do hurt.
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands,
that they should not worship devils,
and idols of gold,
and silver,
and brass,
and stone,
and of wood:
which neither can see,
nor hear,
nor walk:
Neither repented they of their murders,
nor of their sorceries,
nor of their fornication,
nor of their thefts.

Re:14:20:
And the winepress was trodden without the city,
and blood came out of the winepress,
even unto the horse bridles,
by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Isa:63:3:
I have trodden the winepress alone;
and of the people there was none with me:
for I will tread them in mine anger,
and trample them in my fury;
and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments,
and I will stain all my raiment.

Eze:39:11-16:
And it shall come to pass in that day,
that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel,
the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea:
and it shall stop the noses of the passengers:
and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude:
and they shall call it The valley of Hamon-gog.
And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them,
that they may cleanse the land.
Yea,
all the people of the land shall bury them;
and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified,
saith the Lord GOD.
And they shall sever out men of continual employment,
passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth,
to cleanse it:
after the end of seven months shall they search.
And the passengers that pass through the land,
when any seeth a man's bone,
then shall he set up a sign by it,
till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamon-gog.
And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah.
Thus shall they cleanse the land.

Re:20:7:
And when the thousand years are expired,
Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Re:20:8:
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,
Gog and Magog,
to gather them together to battle:
the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


Re:6:9:
And when he had opened the fifth seal,
I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God,
and for the testimony which they held:
Re:6:10:
And they cried with a loud voice,
saying,
How long,
O Lord,
holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Re:6:11:
And white robes were given unto every one of them;
and it was said unto them,
that they should rest yet for a little season,
until their fellowservants also and their brethren,
that should be killed as they were,
should be fulfilled.

Re:11:7-11:
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them,
and kill them.
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.
And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them,
and make merry,
and shall send gifts one to another;
because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet;
and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Re:6:12-17:
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,
and, lo,
there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,
even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;
and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth,
and the great men,
and the rich men,
and the chief captains,
and the mighty men,
and every bondman,
and every free man,
hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks,
Fall on us,
and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of his wrath is come;
and who shall be able to stand?

The 3rd woe is coming when Re:11 ends and the 7 vials are one punishment that is poured on as a collective and it is over in a few hours after it starts. It would be all of Re:16


Title: Re: Re: Revelation (KJV)
Post by: Bladerunner on February 02, 2020, 09:40:22 pm
I'm going to promote that Revelations is written in the same format as Daniel in that a prophecy in a vision is given. Da:2 comes with an explanation and following chapters explain the vision in more detail. Revelation uses the trumps as the explanation. The coals from the altar being tossed onto the earth is the first event that is part of the sequence that is set out for the 'latter days' of De:4:30

Re:6:1:
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals,
and I heard,
as it were the noise of thunder,
one of the four beasts saying,
Come and see.

This would be the start of the day that only God knows when it begins. By start that means at the first prophecy that has to unfold to mark the day starting. The additional verse is a companion verse that pretty much eliminates all other explanations. Christ is the angel with the coals. That is the sealing of the 144,000 from the 12 Tribes , the two witnesses and the ones counted as  being in the Re:11 Temple.

Isa:49:2:
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;

Re:6:2:
And I saw,
and behold a white horse:
and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him:
and he went forth conquering,
and to conquer.

Re:7:2:
And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God:
and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels,
to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Re:7:3:
Saying,
Hurt not the earth,
neither the sea,
nor the trees,
till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Re:8:2-6:
And I saw the seven angels which stood before God;
and to them were given seven trumpets.
And another angel came and stood at the altar,
having a golden censer;
and there was given unto him much incense,
that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
And the smoke of the incense,
which came with the prayers of the saints,
ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
And the angel took the censer,
and filled it with fire of the altar,
and cast it into the earth:
and there were voices,
and thunderings,
and lightnings,
and an earthquake.
And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Both the Gentiles in the courtyard and the two witnesses have the same amount of days allotted as 42 months is exactly 1260 days. The beast that kills them starts his 42 months when the 5th trump sounds and the 1260 days is over when the 7th trump sounds and that is on the 4th day after the two witnesses have entered the grave. The points to the first 4 trumps having to sound at the rate of 1 per day for 4 consecutive days and the 5th trump sounds on the 5th day that starts a period of time that runs for 1260 days.
Romans:13 was when Jesus gave the authority to control a sword that was designed to protect the citizens from evil, a red sword is the same sword but it brings evil on the very people it was meant to be protecting

Re:6:3:
And when he had opened the second seal,
I heard the second beast say,
Come and see.
Re:6:4:
And there went out another horse that was red:
and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth,
and that they should kill one another:
and there was given unto him a great sword.

Ro:13:1-4:
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.
For there is no power but of God:
the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power,
resisteth the ordinance of God:
and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works,
but to the evil.
Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power?
do that which is good,
and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil,
be afraid;
for he beareth not the sword in vain:
for he is the minister of God,
a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Re:8:7:
The first angel sounded,
and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood,
and they were cast upon the earth:
and the third part of trees was burnt up,
and all green grass was burnt up.

In a literalist fulfillment that would happen so it was fulfilled by the end of the 4th day. The red sword and the black horse (food) points to Military Law being called on a global scale.


Re:6:5:
And when he had opened the third seal,
I heard the third beast say,
Come and see.
And I beheld,
and lo a black horse;
and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Re:6:6:
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say,
A measure of wheat for a penny,
and three measures of barley for a penny;
and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

That global army surrenders within one four of the 5th trumps sounding and that would be to Satan and the Beast from the PIT, 2 fallen angels that are the iron in Daniel's iron/clay kingdom. The 5th trump is hell on earth for 5 months and the the 37 months (1110 days), death comes to 1/3 of all the people on the planet. The full break-down will be in the 'day of the lord' part. Literalism is still the rule, the 4 fallen angels in the 6th trump manifest into 200M horsemen and their fate is documented quite well

Re:6:7:
And when he had opened the fourth seal,
I heard the voice of the fourth beast say,
Come and see.
Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

Re:9:1-12:
And the fifth angel sounded,
and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit;
and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
as the smoke of a great furnace;
and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth:
and unto them was given power,
as the scorpions of the earth have power.
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth,
neither any green thing,
neither any tree;
but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
And to them it was given that they should not kill them,
but that they should be tormented five months:
and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion,
when he striketh a man.
And in those days shall men seek death,
and shall not find it;
and shall desire to die,
and death shall flee from them.
And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle;
and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold,
and their faces were as the faces of men.
And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
And they had breastplates,
as it were breastplates of iron;
and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
And they had tails like unto scorpions,
and there were stings in their tails:
and their power was to hurt men five months.
And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit,
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
One woe is past;
and,
behold,
there come two woes more hereafter.

Re:9:13-21:
And the sixth angel sounded,
and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet,
Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
and a day,
and a month,
and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.
And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand:
and I heard the number of them.
And thus I saw the horses in the vision,
and them that sat on them,
having breastplates of fire,
and of jacinth,
and brimstone:
and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions;
and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
By these three was the third part of men killed,
by the fire,
and by the smoke,
and by the brimstone,
which issued out of their mouths.
For their power is in their mouth,
and in their tails:
for their tails were like unto serpents,
and had heads,
and with them they do hurt.
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands,
that they should not worship devils,
and idols of gold,
and silver,
and brass,
and stone,
and of wood:
which neither can see,
nor hear,
nor walk:
Neither repented they of their murders,
nor of their sorceries,
nor of their fornication,
nor of their thefts.

Re:14:20:
And the winepress was trodden without the city,
and blood came out of the winepress,
even unto the horse bridles,
by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Isa:63:3:
I have trodden the winepress alone;
and of the people there was none with me:
for I will tread them in mine anger,
and trample them in my fury;
and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments,
and I will stain all my raiment.

Eze:39:11-16:
And it shall come to pass in that day,
that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel,
the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea:
and it shall stop the noses of the passengers:
and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude:
and they shall call it The valley of Hamon-gog.
And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them,
that they may cleanse the land.
Yea,
all the people of the land shall bury them;
and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified,
saith the Lord GOD.
And they shall sever out men of continual employment,
passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth,
to cleanse it:
after the end of seven months shall they search.
And the passengers that pass through the land,
when any seeth a man's bone,
then shall he set up a sign by it,
till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamon-gog.
And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah.
Thus shall they cleanse the land.

Re:20:7:
And when the thousand years are expired,
Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Re:20:8:
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,
Gog and Magog,
to gather them together to battle:
the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


Re:6:9:
And when he had opened the fifth seal,
I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God,
and for the testimony which they held:
Re:6:10:
And they cried with a loud voice,
saying,
How long,
O Lord,
holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Re:6:11:
And white robes were given unto every one of them;
and it was said unto them,
that they should rest yet for a little season,
until their fellowservants also and their brethren,
that should be killed as they were,
should be fulfilled.

Re:11:7-11:
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them,
and kill them.
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.
And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them,
and make merry,
and shall send gifts one to another;
because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet;
and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Re:6:12-17:
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,
and, lo,
there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,
even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;
and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth,
and the great men,
and the rich men,
and the chief captains,
and the mighty men,
and every bondman,
and every free man,
hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks,
Fall on us,
and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of his wrath is come;
and who shall be able to stand?

The 3rd woe is coming when Re:11 ends and the 7 vials are one punishment that is poured on as a collective and it is over in a few hours after it starts. It would be all of Re:16

First ,,,why would it be the same format as Daniel???

Second, in the outline your order was Shewed....Coals????, You lost me here....

Rev. tells a story of the Revelation (unveiling) of the Glory of Jesus Christ, the claiming of His wife (the Church) and  the acts as a mediator who brings back the estranged wife (remnant of Israel) to His father.

Rem, If you are part of the Church (body of Christ) you will not go through the Wrath of GOD. Only the unbelievers and the evangelized martyred believers will live and die within Daniel's 70th week.

Blade


Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: patrick jane on March 23, 2020, 07:51:20 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75lbjYm0dME
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: patrick jane on March 24, 2020, 09:48:11 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr0WOpu1QNI
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: patrick jane on April 03, 2020, 09:25:30 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUR90GtKk0
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: patrick jane on April 19, 2020, 06:13:48 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjFYSfBsAc
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: Bladerunner on April 19, 2020, 06:27:10 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjFYSfBsAc

Also the church has not been removed from the earth.

Blade
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: Bladerunner on June 02, 2020, 08:26:00 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CajaGNyb9l8&list=WL&index=22&t=5s


A very good addition to this thread.

Thanks PJ.

Blade
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: patrick jane on June 18, 2020, 08:01:05 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwLT9QyNHIw
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: patrick jane on June 21, 2020, 07:28:21 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhviiwCHV4c&list=WL&index=17&t=0s
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: Bladerunner on June 26, 2020, 07:57:50 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhviiwCHV4c&list=WL&index=17&t=0s

ok, but borderline on its message.

Blade
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: patrick jane on July 22, 2020, 10:30:14 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKAjYCl_s5k
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: patrick jane on July 22, 2020, 10:43:11 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-9rAsTkv28&t=54s
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: patrick jane on August 26, 2020, 04:34:26 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJivVvZy8NI
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: Wayne Gabler on September 02, 2020, 07:20:47 pm
The return comes after 3 1/2 years of prophecy unfolds (6/7 trumps), the last event is Satan sitting on a false throne in Jerusalem and the throne says Satan is the God of this world.
The new earth at the end of Re:22 is a ball of cool glass. Jerusalem in Isa:65 is New Jerusalem so the location that people will be building new homes is all across the universe. The Angels in the Mount Sion verses from Hebrews:12 are in their perfected heaven so mankind inherits their 'old home' and over eternity the transformation the garden went through in the Ge:2 version will have the entire universe looking the same.
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: Bladerunner on September 02, 2020, 08:31:38 pm
The return comes after 3 1/2 years of prophecy unfolds (6/7 trumps), the last event is Satan sitting on a false throne in Jerusalem and the throne says Satan is the God of this world.
The new earth at the end of Re:22 is a ball of cool glass. Jerusalem in Isa:65 is New Jerusalem so the location that people will be building new homes is all across the universe. The Angels in the Mount Sion verses from Hebrews:12 are in their perfected heaven so mankind inherits their 'old home' and over eternity the transformation the garden went through in the Ge:2 version will have the entire universe looking the same.

Wayne, may I ask what Theology you are getting this (info above) through. None of it is Biblical.

Blade
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: patrick jane on September 05, 2020, 06:52:19 pm
Is September the End of the World

By Justin Johnson


Blood moons, Papal visits, Jewish holidays, stock market crashes, Supreme Court decisions. Are the current events pointing to something significant happening this month? Perhaps the rapture, the coming of the Lord, or judgment?

This year is not the first time that end of the world hysteria has run rampant. Predictions have been made for millennia. All have failed because they are driven by an ignorance of the Bible rightly divided.

What does mid-Acts dispensational right division have to do with it?

Everyone knows the Bible says no man knows the day and the hour (Matt 24:36), but this does not stop people from thinking they see signs of the last days. Why? They think the church is in some way part of Israel’s prophecies, Israel’s calendar, and that the church should be looking for prophetic signs given to Israel.

The Bible rightly divided separates prophecy from mystery, Israel from the church, heaven and earth. In prophecy God worked through Israel to fulfill his purpose on the earth, but now according to the revelation of the mystery, God is working through the church for a heavenly purpose.

God’s present work according to the mystery was never revealed in the prophetic scripture (Rom 16:25).

End of world predictions will always persuade you that God is working through current events for the fulfillment of prophecy.

Blood Moons
The most popular prophetic prediction this time round concerns the blood moon that will occur on a Jewish feast day, at the end of a seventh year Jewish cycle, toward the end of this month.

This is supposed to be a fulfillment of Joel 2:31 that the day of the Lord is at hand.

“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.” – Joel 2:31
Never mind that someone in Quebec has a better chance of seeing the blood moon than anyone in Israel, or that it is fairly common for blood moons to fall on Jewish feast days, or that the rest of the prophecy in Joel requires the sun turning dark, stars falling, and a great earthquake.

What is more important is that Joel 2:31 aligns more with Peter’s preaching at Pentecost than anything Paul taught. Joel 2:31 requires God to work through Israel.

If our pattern is in the Jewish ministry of Peter on a Jewish feast day (Pentecost), then we might think it important to look at the Jewish calendar for the fulfillment of these events.

However, if our pattern from the Lord is found in the apostle Paul ministering an unprophesied mystery of Christ, then what does the Jewish calendar or its prophecies have to do with us?

“Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.” – Galatians 4:10-11
Are You Ready?

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” – Luke 21:36
Many are worried that if they are not watching for the signs of the times, and have their lamps filled with oil, then they will miss the bridegroom when he comes.

There is no reason for this. These Biblical references about preparing for the end were spoken to Israel to prepare for their kingdom come. These are not instructions for the church living in God’s dispensation of grace. We are no longer preaching the gospel of the kingdom come, but the gospel of the grace of God.

We are not of the night that we should be in darkness, we are not the bride, and we are not found worthy by watching and making ourselves ready.

According to the mystery of Christ, we are justified freely by faith in the finished work of Christ. We are accepted only in the Beloved (Christ, Eph 1:6). We need not worry whether we will “stand before the Son of man” if we are in the very body of Christ!

Even the catching away of the church to meet the Lord in the air has no condition upon those who have made themselves ready(1 Thess 4:16-18). The great catching away will consist of those who are saved by faith in the gospel of Christ.

This blessed hope and appearing of Christ for his church has nothing to do with Israel’s prophecies of the end.

Not the Times

The best way to determine whether or not you are seeing signs of the times of prophetic fulfillment is to understand whether or not we are living in the times when God will fulfill his prophecy or time when God is operating according to His mystery in Christ.

If we are living in the dispensation of God’s grace to the world, then we are not living in the time of God’s judgment.

If we are living in the time of God operating through a church body where there is no Jew nor Gentile, then we are not living in the time of God operating through Israel.

If we are living in the time of God ministering the mystery gospel to a world according to the mystery of Christ, then we are not living in the time of the prophesied gospel of the kingdom according to the prophecies spoken by Christ.

We live under the dispensation of God’s grace, a mystery dispensation concerning a heavenly people. We are not a part of God’s prophetic purpose for the earth.

Will the world end in September? Only if we are living in the time of prophecy instead of the time of mystery. We do not look for the signs of prophetic times because we live in the mystery times that have no prophesied signs.

What Should I Do?

What of the increase of wars, circumstances, stock market crash, and increase of evil men and events?

Many are rumors not worthy of a Bible believer. Jesus said himself, in prophecy, that these are not signs of the end (Matt 24:6-7). Paul says, in mystery, evil men must wax worse and worse (2 Tim 3:13). We live in a present evil world, but God has not given us the spirit of fear (2 Tim 1:7).

There is a grace response. We should pray for those in authority (1 Tim 2:1-2). We should provide for our own (1 Tim 5:8). We should participate in what God’s will has been for two thousand years for his church.

“[God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” – 1 Timothy 2:4-5
God’s message is not one of fear or prophecy, but of mystery salvation.
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: Bladerunner on September 07, 2020, 08:27:42 pm
The return comes after 3 1/2 years of prophecy unfolds (6/7 trumps), the last event is Satan sitting on a false throne in Jerusalem and the throne says Satan is the God of this world.
The new earth at the end of Re:22 is a ball of cool glass. Jerusalem in Isa:65 is New Jerusalem so the location that people will be building new homes is all across the universe. The Angels in the Mount Sion verses from Hebrews:12 are in their perfected heaven so mankind inherits their 'old home' and over eternity the transformation the garden went through in the Ge:2 version will have the entire universe looking the same.

Informative Yes, but through the eyes of an Non-believer.

Blade
Title: Re: The Book of Revelation: Comments
Post by: Bladerunner on September 07, 2020, 08:38:46 pm
Is September the End of the World

By Justin Johnson


Blood moons, Papal visits, Jewish holidays, stock market crashes, Supreme Court decisions. Are the current events pointing to something significant happening this month? Perhaps the rapture, the coming of the Lord, or judgment?

This year is not the first time that end of the world hysteria has run rampant. Predictions have been made for millennia. All have failed because they are driven by an ignorance of the Bible rightly divided.

What does mid-Acts dispensational right division have to do with it?

Everyone knows the Bible says no man knows the day and the hour (Matt 24:36), but this does not stop people from thinking they see signs of the last days. Why? They think the church is in some way part of Israel’s prophecies, Israel’s calendar, and that the church should be looking for prophetic signs given to Israel.

The Bible rightly divided separates prophecy from mystery, Israel from the church, heaven and earth. In prophecy God worked through Israel to fulfill his purpose on the earth, but now according to the revelation of the mystery, God is working through the church for a heavenly purpose.

God’s present work according to the mystery was never revealed in the prophetic scripture (Rom 16:25).

End of world predictions will always persuade you that God is working through current events for the fulfillment of prophecy.

Blood Moons
The most popular prophetic prediction this time round concerns the blood moon that will occur on a Jewish feast day, at the end of a seventh year Jewish cycle, toward the end of this month.

This is supposed to be a fulfillment of Joel 2:31 that the day of the Lord is at hand.

“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.” – Joel 2:31
Never mind that someone in Quebec has a better chance of seeing the blood moon than anyone in Israel, or that it is fairly common for blood moons to fall on Jewish feast days, or that the rest of the prophecy in Joel requires the sun turning dark, stars falling, and a great earthquake.

What is more important is that Joel 2:31 aligns more with Peter’s preaching at Pentecost than anything Paul taught. Joel 2:31 requires God to work through Israel.

If our pattern is in the Jewish ministry of Peter on a Jewish feast day (Pentecost), then we might think it important to look at the Jewish calendar for the fulfillment of these events.

However, if our pattern from the Lord is found in the apostle Paul ministering an unprophesied mystery of Christ, then what does the Jewish calendar or its prophecies have to do with us?

“Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.” – Galatians 4:10-11
Are You Ready?

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” – Luke 21:36
Many are worried that if they are not watching for the signs of the times, and have their lamps filled with oil, then they will miss the bridegroom when he comes.

There is no reason for this. These Biblical references about preparing for the end were spoken to Israel to prepare for their kingdom come. These are not instructions for the church living in God’s dispensation of grace. We are no longer preaching the gospel of the kingdom come, but the gospel of the grace of God.

We are not of the night that we should be in darkness, we are not the bride, and we are not found worthy by watching and making ourselves ready.

According to the mystery of Christ, we are justified freely by faith in the finished work of Christ. We are accepted only in the Beloved (Christ, Eph 1:6). We need not worry whether we will “stand before the Son of man” if we are in the very body of Christ!

Even the catching away of the church to meet the Lord in the air has no condition upon those who have made themselves ready(1 Thess 4:16-18). The great catching away will consist of those who are saved by faith in the gospel of Christ.

This blessed hope and appearing of Christ for his church has nothing to do with Israel’s prophecies of the end.

Not the Times

The best way to determine whether or not you are seeing signs of the times of prophetic fulfillment is to understand whether or not we are living in the times when God will fulfill his prophecy or time when God is operating according to His mystery in Christ.

If we are living in the dispensation of God’s grace to the world, then we are not living in the time of God’s judgment.

If we are living in the time of God operating through a church body where there is no Jew nor Gentile, then we are not living in the time of God operating through Israel.

If we are living in the time of God ministering the mystery gospel to a world according to the mystery of Christ, then we are not living in the time of the prophesied gospel of the kingdom according to the prophecies spoken by Christ.

We live under the dispensation of God’s grace, a mystery dispensation concerning a heavenly people. We are not a part of God’s prophetic purpose for the earth.

Will the world end in September? Only if we are living in the time of prophecy instead of the time of mystery. We do not look for the signs of prophetic times because we live in the mystery times that have no prophesied signs.

What Should I Do?

What of the increase of wars, circumstances, stock market crash, and increase of evil men and events?

Many are rumors not worthy of a Bible believer. Jesus said himself, in prophecy, that these are not signs of the end (Matt 24:6-7). Paul says, in mystery, evil men must wax worse and worse (2 Tim 3:13). We live in a present evil world, but God has not given us the spirit of fear (2 Tim 1:7).

There is a grace response. We should pray for those in authority (1 Tim 2:1-2). We should provide for our own (1 Tim 5:8). We should participate in what God’s will has been for two thousand years for his church.

“[God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” – 1 Timothy 2:4-5
God’s message is not one of fear or prophecy, but of mystery salvation.


While Mr. Johnson has many good points, there are many I do not agree with.

Blade