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Title: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: patrick jane on February 09, 2021, 09:03:50 pm
Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally

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Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest24 on February 11, 2021, 10:06:58 am
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: patrick jane on February 11, 2021, 10:27:03 am
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest24 on February 11, 2021, 02:19:01 pm
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
that was kind of my point, it is written like a polemic, not a scientific treatise...to read it literally means we take that into account.
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest8 on February 11, 2021, 03:13:38 pm
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
that was kind of my point, it is written like a polemic, not a scientific treatise...to read it literally means we take that into account.

It seems the literal reading of the Bible is being assaulted from every side. One's worldview controls as with most everything how one interprets the Bible.

Do you really--really believe in GOD/Jesus///If you truly believe in His Gospel, then He can do anything including the authorship of everyword in the Bible.
If you truly believe, then those words of Jesus cannot be removed, changed, added, etc. Yet, the world specifically America will declare war in the coming days/weeks against the Christian.

Polemic Theology is s small relative ineffective theology. Reading the Bible Literally, Historically and Grammatically bring the words of the Bible together without controversy and/ or contradictions.

Blade



Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest24 on February 12, 2021, 08:20:31 am
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
that was kind of my point, it is written like a polemic, not a scientific treatise...to read it literally means we take that into account.

It seems the literal reading of the Bible is being assaulted from every side. One's worldview controls as with most everything how one interprets the Bible.

Do you really--really believe in GOD/Jesus///If you truly believe in His Gospel, then He can do anything including the authorship of everyword in the Bible.
If you truly believe, then those words of Jesus cannot be removed, changed, added, etc. Yet, the world specifically America will declare war in the coming days/weeks against the Christian.

Polemic Theology is s small relative ineffective theology. Reading the Bible Literally, Historically and Grammatically bring the words of the Bible together without controversy and/ or contradictions.

Blade
So...that would mean that you read parables as real life situations rather than analogies that express a point...and what about poems, those are factual, literal explanations of things as well...how sad that you don't even take Jesus at his word when He says something is a parable that it is a parable...I'm praying for you
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest8 on February 12, 2021, 07:01:06 pm
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
that was kind of my point, it is written like a polemic, not a scientific treatise...to read it literally means we take that into account.

It seems the literal reading of the Bible is being assaulted from every side. One's worldview controls as with most everything how one interprets the Bible.

Do you really--really believe in GOD/Jesus///If you truly believe in His Gospel, then He can do anything including the authorship of everyword in the Bible.
If you truly believe, then those words of Jesus cannot be removed, changed, added, etc. Yet, the world specifically America will declare war in the coming days/weeks against the Christian.

Polemic Theology is s small relative ineffective theology. Reading the Bible Literally, Historically and Grammatically bring the words of the Bible together without controversy and/ or contradictions.

Blade
So...that would mean that you read parables as real life situations rather than analogies that express a point...and what about poems, those are factual, literal explanations of things as well...how sad that you don't even take Jesus at his word when He says something is a parable that it is a parable...I'm praying for you

one minute you chatise me for reading parables as real life situations and the next that I don't take Jesus at His word when He says a parable is a parable.

As far as analogies go, there are some 200 different grammatically structures in the Bible which is why I have always said that to read the Bible Literally, Historically and grammatically is the only way to go.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Blade

Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest24 on February 13, 2021, 09:48:15 am
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
that was kind of my point, it is written like a polemic, not a scientific treatise...to read it literally means we take that into account.

It seems the literal reading of the Bible is being assaulted from every side. One's worldview controls as with most everything how one interprets the Bible.

Do you really--really believe in GOD/Jesus///If you truly believe in His Gospel, then He can do anything including the authorship of everyword in the Bible.
If you truly believe, then those words of Jesus cannot be removed, changed, added, etc. Yet, the world specifically America will declare war in the coming days/weeks against the Christian.

Polemic Theology is s small relative ineffective theology. Reading the Bible Literally, Historically and Grammatically bring the words of the Bible together without controversy and/ or contradictions.

Blade
So...that would mean that you read parables as real life situations rather than analogies that express a point...and what about poems, those are factual, literal explanations of things as well...how sad that you don't even take Jesus at his word when He says something is a parable that it is a parable...I'm praying for you

one minute you chatise me for reading parables as real life situations and the next that I don't take Jesus at His word when He says a parable is a parable.

As far as analogies go, there are some 200 different grammatically structures in the Bible which is why I have always said that to read the Bible Literally, Historically and grammatically is the only way to go.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Blade
which is exactly why I said that Gen. reads/is structured as a polemic and you challenged that to say we have to read it literally...what would reading a polemic literally mean?
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest8 on February 13, 2021, 07:02:27 pm
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
that was kind of my point, it is written like a polemic, not a scientific treatise...to read it literally means we take that into account.

It seems the literal reading of the Bible is being assaulted from every side. One's worldview controls as with most everything how one interprets the Bible.

Do you really--really believe in GOD/Jesus///If you truly believe in His Gospel, then He can do anything including the authorship of everyword in the Bible.
If you truly believe, then those words of Jesus cannot be removed, changed, added, etc. Yet, the world specifically America will declare war in the coming days/weeks against the Christian.

Polemic Theology is s small relative ineffective theology. Reading the Bible Literally, Historically and Grammatically bring the words of the Bible together without controversy and/ or contradictions.

Blade
So...that would mean that you read parables as real life situations rather than analogies that express a point...and what about poems, those are factual, literal explanations of things as well...how sad that you don't even take Jesus at his word when He says something is a parable that it is a parable...I'm praying for you

one minute you chatise me for reading parables as real life situations and the next that I don't take Jesus at His word when He says a parable is a parable.

As far as analogies go, there are some 200 different grammatically structures in the Bible which is why I have always said that to read the Bible Literally, Historically and grammatically is the only way to go.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Blade
which is exactly why I said that Gen. reads/is structured as a polemic and you challenged that to say we have to read it literally...what would reading a polemic literally mean?

Polemic:;;;;a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.  Is this how you see GOD. He is attacking someone or something?

Believe you have the wrong word.

Blessing, my friend

Blade
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest24 on February 15, 2021, 08:07:35 am
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
that was kind of my point, it is written like a polemic, not a scientific treatise...to read it literally means we take that into account.

It seems the literal reading of the Bible is being assaulted from every side. One's worldview controls as with most everything how one interprets the Bible.

Do you really--really believe in GOD/Jesus///If you truly believe in His Gospel, then He can do anything including the authorship of everyword in the Bible.
If you truly believe, then those words of Jesus cannot be removed, changed, added, etc. Yet, the world specifically America will declare war in the coming days/weeks against the Christian.

Polemic Theology is s small relative ineffective theology. Reading the Bible Literally, Historically and Grammatically bring the words of the Bible together without controversy and/ or contradictions.

Blade
So...that would mean that you read parables as real life situations rather than analogies that express a point...and what about poems, those are factual, literal explanations of things as well...how sad that you don't even take Jesus at his word when He says something is a parable that it is a parable...I'm praying for you

one minute you chatise me for reading parables as real life situations and the next that I don't take Jesus at His word when He says a parable is a parable.

As far as analogies go, there are some 200 different grammatically structures in the Bible which is why I have always said that to read the Bible Literally, Historically and grammatically is the only way to go.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Blade
which is exactly why I said that Gen. reads/is structured as a polemic and you challenged that to say we have to read it literally...what would reading a polemic literally mean?

Polemic:;;;;a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.  Is this how you see GOD. He is attacking someone or something?

Believe you have the wrong word.

Blessing, my friend

Blade
So you do not believe that God is attacking the notion that many have that it is okay to worship the creation rather than the creator?  Remember, your own definition says someone or SOMETHING...
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest8 on February 15, 2021, 01:41:02 pm
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
that was kind of my point, it is written like a polemic, not a scientific treatise...to read it literally means we take that into account.

It seems the literal reading of the Bible is being assaulted from every side. One's worldview controls as with most everything how one interprets the Bible.

Do you really--really believe in GOD/Jesus///If you truly believe in His Gospel, then He can do anything including the authorship of everyword in the Bible.
If you truly believe, then those words of Jesus cannot be removed, changed, added, etc. Yet, the world specifically America will declare war in the coming days/weeks against the Christian.

Polemic Theology is s small relative ineffective theology. Reading the Bible Literally, Historically and Grammatically bring the words of the Bible together without controversy and/ or contradictions.

Blade
So...that would mean that you read parables as real life situations rather than analogies that express a point...and what about poems, those are factual, literal explanations of things as well...how sad that you don't even take Jesus at his word when He says something is a parable that it is a parable...I'm praying for you

one minute you chatise me for reading parables as real life situations and the next that I don't take Jesus at His word when He says a parable is a parable.

As far as analogies go, there are some 200 different grammatically structures in the Bible which is why I have always said that to read the Bible Literally, Historically and grammatically is the only way to go.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Blade
which is exactly why I said that Gen. reads/is structured as a polemic and you challenged that to say we have to read it literally...what would reading a polemic literally mean?

Polemic:;;;;a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.  Is this how you see GOD. He is attacking someone or something?

Believe you have the wrong word.

Blessing, my friend

Blade
So you do not believe that God is attacking the notion that many have that it is okay to worship the creation rather than the creator?  Remember, your own definition says someone or SOMETHING...

Hi Lori....Got sa little extra time before another round of ice. First let me nail it down to at least what chapter you are talking about and verses if necessary/.

Over all, I do not believe God is attacking the worship of His creation for by seeing , admiring His creation(s) one cannot deny there is a GOD, thereby worshiping HIM.

Blade
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest24 on February 16, 2021, 08:35:34 am
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
that was kind of my point, it is written like a polemic, not a scientific treatise...to read it literally means we take that into account.

It seems the literal reading of the Bible is being assaulted from every side. One's worldview controls as with most everything how one interprets the Bible.

Do you really--really believe in GOD/Jesus///If you truly believe in His Gospel, then He can do anything including the authorship of everyword in the Bible.
If you truly believe, then those words of Jesus cannot be removed, changed, added, etc. Yet, the world specifically America will declare war in the coming days/weeks against the Christian.

Polemic Theology is s small relative ineffective theology. Reading the Bible Literally, Historically and Grammatically bring the words of the Bible together without controversy and/ or contradictions.

Blade
So...that would mean that you read parables as real life situations rather than analogies that express a point...and what about poems, those are factual, literal explanations of things as well...how sad that you don't even take Jesus at his word when He says something is a parable that it is a parable...I'm praying for you

one minute you chatise me for reading parables as real life situations and the next that I don't take Jesus at His word when He says a parable is a parable.

As far as analogies go, there are some 200 different grammatically structures in the Bible which is why I have always said that to read the Bible Literally, Historically and grammatically is the only way to go.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Blade
which is exactly why I said that Gen. reads/is structured as a polemic and you challenged that to say we have to read it literally...what would reading a polemic literally mean?

Polemic:;;;;a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.  Is this how you see GOD. He is attacking someone or something?

Believe you have the wrong word.

Blessing, my friend

Blade
So you do not believe that God is attacking the notion that many have that it is okay to worship the creation rather than the creator?  Remember, your own definition says someone or SOMETHING...

Hi Lori....Got sa little extra time before another round of ice. First let me nail it down to at least what chapter you are talking about and verses if necessary/.

Over all, I do not believe God is attacking the worship of His creation for by seeing , admiring His creation(s) one cannot deny there is a GOD, thereby worshiping HIM.

Blade
So my words mean nothing to you as per your understanding of what I said?  Why?  Why can't you respond to what I said without changing or adding to it?
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest8 on February 16, 2021, 01:00:17 pm
What I and some others (though they seem few and far between) is that Genesis is a polemic, not a scientific treatise.  As such it is incredibly rich in biblical truths that deserve to be explored in more depth but instead, too many people get hung up on trying to draw out of it a contradiction for the world view of how life began.
The Bible is literal unless we can see clearly that it is not. Always literal unless it's not.
that was kind of my point, it is written like a polemic, not a scientific treatise...to read it literally means we take that into account.

It seems the literal reading of the Bible is being assaulted from every side. One's worldview controls as with most everything how one interprets the Bible.

Do you really--really believe in GOD/Jesus///If you truly believe in His Gospel, then He can do anything including the authorship of everyword in the Bible.
If you truly believe, then those words of Jesus cannot be removed, changed, added, etc. Yet, the world specifically America will declare war in the coming days/weeks against the Christian.

Polemic Theology is s small relative ineffective theology. Reading the Bible Literally, Historically and Grammatically bring the words of the Bible together without controversy and/ or contradictions.

Blade
So...that would mean that you read parables as real life situations rather than analogies that express a point...and what about poems, those are factual, literal explanations of things as well...how sad that you don't even take Jesus at his word when He says something is a parable that it is a parable...I'm praying for you

one minute you chatise me for reading parables as real life situations and the next that I don't take Jesus at His word when He says a parable is a parable.

As far as analogies go, there are some 200 different grammatically structures in the Bible which is why I have always said that to read the Bible Literally, Historically and grammatically is the only way to go.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Blade
which is exactly why I said that Gen. reads/is structured as a polemic and you challenged that to say we have to read it literally...what would reading a polemic literally mean?

Polemic:;;;;a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.  Is this how you see GOD. He is attacking someone or something?

Believe you have the wrong word.

Blessing, my friend

Blade
So you do not believe that God is attacking the notion that many have that it is okay to worship the creation rather than the creator?  Remember, your own definition says someone or SOMETHING...

Hi Lori....Got sa little extra time before another round of ice. First let me nail it down to at least what chapter you are talking about and verses if necessary/.

Over all, I do not believe God is attacking the worship of His creation for by seeing , admiring His creation(s) one cannot deny there is a GOD, thereby worshiping HIM.

Blade
So my words mean nothing to you as per your understanding of what I said?  Why?  Why can't you respond to what I said without changing or adding to it?

Two birds of a different feather????

we do see the Bible, GOD and the Gospel of Jesus Christ differently.

Blade
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest24 on February 17, 2021, 07:44:08 am
Maybe, I am not really sure Blade, since you refuse to show me where you think I am wrong, just proclaim me wrong and move on.
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest8 on February 17, 2021, 10:51:02 pm
Maybe, I am not really sure Blade, since you refuse to show me where you think I am wrong, just proclaim me wrong and move on.

Lori...I believe I just got through saying we see things differently.

"Two birds of a different feather????

we do see the Bible, GOD and the Gospel of Jesus Christ differently.

Blade"

Blade
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest24 on February 18, 2021, 07:13:31 am
Maybe, I am not really sure Blade, since you refuse to show me where you think I am wrong, just proclaim me wrong and move on.

Lori...I believe I just got through saying we see things differently.

"Two birds of a different feather????

we do see the Bible, GOD and the Gospel of Jesus Christ differently.

Blade"

Blade
and I said that I wasn't sure about that...I said we should read Genesis as we would any work, as per the nature of the work, iow's poems have clues that they are poems and should be read that way...you disagreed, so I asked you why you think a parable should be read as literal and you accused me of being wrong yet again...so I have no idea what you believe and when I ask you to explain you run off and hide.  A literal understanding of scripture would mean that we read it for what it says, as in if it is a polemic, we read it as a polemic if it is a parable we read it as a parable, etc. you claim to read it literally but then deny we should read it for what it says it is...how can anyone follow what you believe given this double talk of yours?
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest8 on February 18, 2021, 08:07:19 pm
Maybe, I am not really sure Blade, since you refuse to show me where you think I am wrong, just proclaim me wrong and move on.

Lori...I believe I just got through saying we see things differently.

"Two birds of a different feather????

we do see the Bible, GOD and the Gospel of Jesus Christ differently.

Blade"

Blade
and I said that I wasn't sure about that...I said we should read Genesis as we would any work, as per the nature of the work, iow's poems have clues that they are poems and should be read that way...you disagreed, so I asked you why you think a parable should be read as literal and you accused me of being wrong yet again...so I have no idea what you believe and when I ask you to explain you run off and hide.  A literal understanding of scripture would mean that we read it for what it says, as in if it is a polemic, we read it as a polemic if it is a parable we read it as a parable, etc. you claim to read it literally but then deny we should read it for what it says it is...how can anyone follow what you believe given this double talk of yours?

Wow. Your good at misdirecting what I actually said but the words I spoke are still here for anyone to read them.

To read something "Polemic" is an aggressive attack on or refutation of the opinions or principles of another.   

Therefore, You read Genesis/Bible to attack or refute what GOD has authored.

I read it to understand what He actually said without any though of refuting it..

Another Nice try, Lori

Blade
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest24 on February 19, 2021, 07:46:37 am
Maybe, I am not really sure Blade, since you refuse to show me where you think I am wrong, just proclaim me wrong and move on.

Lori...I believe I just got through saying we see things differently.

"Two birds of a different feather????

we do see the Bible, GOD and the Gospel of Jesus Christ differently.

Blade"

Blade
and I said that I wasn't sure about that...I said we should read Genesis as we would any work, as per the nature of the work, iow's poems have clues that they are poems and should be read that way...you disagreed, so I asked you why you think a parable should be read as literal and you accused me of being wrong yet again...so I have no idea what you believe and when I ask you to explain you run off and hide.  A literal understanding of scripture would mean that we read it for what it says, as in if it is a polemic, we read it as a polemic if it is a parable we read it as a parable, etc. you claim to read it literally but then deny we should read it for what it says it is...how can anyone follow what you believe given this double talk of yours?

Wow. Your good at misdirecting what I actually said but the words I spoke are still here for anyone to read them.

To read something "Polemic" is an aggressive attack on or refutation of the opinions or principles of another.   

Therefore, You read Genesis/Bible to attack or refute what GOD has authored.

I read it to understand what He actually said without any though of refuting it..

Another Nice try, Lori

Blade
notice the cut and pasted definition...a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something....notice how it disagrees with you version..where did your definition come from?  Here is the definition from Websters...: an aggressive attack on or refutation of the opinions or principles of another
b: the art or practice of disputation or controversy —usually used in plural but singular or plural in construction
2: an aggressive controversialist : DISPUTANT ...and if you remember, I pointed out that the "attack" was NOT against God or any other such accusation of yours but aginst the Idea that it is OKAY to worship creation rather than the creator...something you did not refute at all...so why do you think it is okay to worship the creation rather than the creator since you want to continue with your assertions without rebuttal of the point I made?  You see, the refute is NOT what scripture says, but rather that it is NOT okay to worship creation...which I said and you launched into this attack, so I can only assume you think it is okay to worship creation rather than the creator, either that or you have not heard a word I said, most likely because you are afraid a woman might teach you something.
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: patrick jane on February 19, 2021, 10:15:17 am
I am in awe of creation and I am fascinated with God's handiwork but I recognize the source who is God.  ;D
Title: Re: Is Genesis Meant to be Literal | Why I don't take Genesis Literally
Post by: guest8 on February 19, 2021, 07:23:50 pm
I am in awe of creation and I am fascinated with God's handiwork but I recognize the source who is God.  ;D

imagine the many wonders we are yet to see when we get to Heaven.

Blade