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Theology, Anthropology & Archaeology => Words of God - Christian Theology w/Bladerunner => Topic started by: guest8 on September 17, 2018, 05:19:44 pm
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Daniel 9:24-27... Daniel's 70th Week
Daniel 24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy
Daniel 9:24 is the scope/summary of the whole prophecy (Daniel 9: 25-27). Both parts (thy People (Jewish) and thy Holy City (Jerusalem)) do affect the Whole World
Has transgressions (sins) ended either in Jerusalem, Israel or the World YET? (NO).
Has there been a reconciliation for the Iniquity,? (sins of the world): (YES), Jesus Died on the Cross.
Has Everlasting Righteousness been installed ? (NO)
Have we annointed the Most HOLY..?(NO),
"The Most Holy" is the Holy of Hollies in the Temple. Since neither of the next two temples have been built, The Holy of Hollies does not exist today.
NOTE: The CHURCH (BODY OF CHRIST) is not the recipient of the above scripture or any of the whole Prophecy.
Summary:
If I simply looked at Daniel 9:24 and at the world in general today, I would conclude that with the exception of "the reconciliation for the iniquity" of the sins of the thy people and the world, NOT one of the prophecies spoken of so far have been fulfilled.
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Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troubledous times."
[/color]"The going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince". This has been proven historically to have happened. In fact from the commandment (4th commandment) unto the Messiah the Prince was 173,800 days. The amount of time to the exact day, Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem on that donkey.
"......shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: " From Historical records it took around 49 years to rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple. That seven weeks with another sixty-two weeks brings us to 69 weeks or the 173,800 days. The Commandment was given on March 14th 445 B.C. and ended 173,800 days later on Palm Sunday, April 6, 32 AD.
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"the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times." The commandment was given three times prior to rebuild the Temple. Because of the warring hordes around Jerusalem at this time, it proved impossible to rebuild the temple because of attacks on the workers. The fourth commandment, let them rebuild the walls and streets, which allowed to finish the rebuilding process in relative safety.
Summary:
Up to this time, we are speaking about Jerusalem both in 445-396 BC and 32 AD.
Daniel 9:26"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:"
This scripture is speaking about the remaining sixty-two weeks after the seven weeks needed to rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple, Jesus is Cut off or Killed. Historically, this cannot be denied. Passover, April 10, 32AD (four days after His arrival), Jesus Christ was placed on the Cross and Died upon hill HE MADE!
NOTE: By reading all scripture, Literally, Historically and Grammatically, we can discern what the scripture actually states.
"but not for himself: "shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;"NOTICE, the ":" after Himself. Grammatically, this makes the first sentence a meaning unto itself. The next sentence does not have anything to do with the first sentence.
"and the people of the prince that shall come " Here we see 'A' Prince that shall come. This is NOT speaking of Jesus Christ. This is speaking of a Prince (son of a Ruler) who destroys Jerusalem and the Temple.
Mat 24:2,,Jesus tells the four apostles, "........There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
Historically speaking, Titus Vespasian and His Father (Titus Flavius Vespasian) had encircled Jerusalem in 67-68AD. Caesar Nero in Rome had died in 66 AD and there were three to four successors that were killed immediately after they took control. General, Flavious Vespasian was recalled to Rome and became Caesar. He had left His son, Titus as General in charge of the Army until his return. Upon the news, of His fathers enthronement, Titus left Jerusalem for Rome and did not return for 18 months. The Army that encircled Jerusalem was in effect placed on "time-out" status.
The Prophecy that Jesus told the followers in the temple, Luke 21:20.."And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."
Notice that the Desolation is not the worst type of Desolation (the AOD). This speaks of the total destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.
"and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;"
Over one Million Jews are said to have died because of the war, pestilence, starvation, etc. during 70 AD. Because of the Prophecy Jesus gave those in the temple in 32 AD, those Christians remembered and fled Jerusalem while Titus was in Rome. It is reported that NO Christians died during this time of desolation.
Daniel 9: 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: " Grammatically, "and he"
refers to the Antecedent “the Prince”
in the previous scripture. Also, there is a double hit here.
The People of the Prince is “Titus” in 70AD--”shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." We know that Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed during this time.
The second hit is“The Prince “that shall come” is the Antecedent to Daniel 9:27. “And he shall confirm (enforce)the covenant with MANY
(Israel) for ONE WEEK” (seven Years)
Who is the other party to this covenant. It certainly is not GOD because He is still in Heaven. Isaiah 28:14-16 tells the Who, what and why.
Isaiah 28:14-18..”14. Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. “ Tells us who the Israeli (many) people are!
]Isaiah 28:15. “Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: “
Here we see WHO the other party is. Remember them from Rev chapter 6?. We find that armies (overflowing Scourge) of the enemy will not enter Jerusalem or the temple during this time period which happens to be the first half of Daniel’s seven years.
Isaiah 28:16”Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. “ . Here we see God (the Father) telling these leaders of Israel that He has already laid a stone for a foundation (Jesus Christ) in Jerusalem.
Isaiah 28:17”Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. “ Here is the idiom of Waters that shall overflow the Hiding place. The Scourge that is awaiting outside of Jerusalem limits is the Horde, overflow that will sweep these unbelievers way.
Isaiah 28:18.”And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. “
As one can see, all of this will happen”..: and in the midst of the week”, in the middle of the 7 years (midst of the week or 3.5 years). By this overflowing of the scrourge, any activities in Jerusalem and the Temple by the Jewish leaders or people will be null and void for HE (Satan), “ he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, The sacrifices and worship to GOD will of course be sweep away as well.
Mat 24:15..”When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) “ Jesus was telling the four Apostles present (1) who really wrote Daniel and (2) the AOD had already happened once and (3) that it would happen again.. Also, there is a special message for everyone who reads it. (Do Not stop until you understand it.)
Daniel 9:27..“…...and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate," and it would last until the total consumption of Israel and Jerusalem. Of course the Desolate (the poor people caught in the middle of the war will it pour down on.) “…..even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
Mat 24:16..”Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: “
Jesus tells the four apostles, that those who are believers should flee all of the land (not just Jerusalem but Judea) into the Mountains (at Petra). In Revelation 12 we see Satan’s attempt to overcome those who are fleeing. We also see God’s response to saving of the Remnant of Israel by force in Revelation 12
In contrast, the 70 AD war, the Armies of Rome had surrounded Jerusalem prior to the beginning of the siege. There was no Abomination of Desolate of the Temple as it was burnt to the Ground. This caused the Roman soldiers to move every rock (foundation) to remove every bit of the gold that melted down through the rocks during the fire.
The Abomination of Desolate Which Daniel speaks of happened in 167 BC. When Antiochus IV Epiphanes burned pigs on the altar, spreading their blood throughout the temple and finally erecting a statue of Zeus in the Holy of Holies. It took 3 ½ years for the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid empire and to remove Greece from the area. The temple was cleaned, all the utensils destroyed and rebuilt, rededicated on Hanukkah (the Feast of Lights). Take Note: this Holiday is not part of Moses Feast Days. It is separate.
The ‘Abomination of Desolation’ which Jesus alluded to has not happened yet. The Man of Sin ( a man with powers given to him by Satan, Satan powers given to him by GOD) will DIE at the midst of the 70th week (3 ½ years) and will be resurrected by Satan (taking over His Body) or Son of Perdition as seen in;
2 Thes 2-3..”Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed,(then) the son of perdition; “
The ‘son of perdition’ will be the one to stand in the Holy of Holies and pronounce Himself to be GOD! Again, there is a contrast between the first AoD and the second.
God has two plans. (1) The Plan for the Gentiles which is carried out by Jesus and His Church (body of Christ). Yes, there will be many Jews within this assembly which in the Bible is always spoken of as a single entity. We are the Bride (a wedding patterned after the ancient Jewish Wedding Ritual) and Jesus is the Bride Groom. As countless Jewish brides have done in ancient times, so we await His Arrival in the clouds where only those in the Church can/will see Him.
The Book of Revelation chapter 4 through 17 unveils God’s plan for the Jewish and Gentile Peoples alike. 95% of the churches today throw away these chapters of Revelation and all chapters of the OT starting from Gen 15 to the NT or symbolize GOD’s WORD to fit their life styles or worldview. To do this, they must include the Jewish people in the Church or remove them altogether (Satan’s plan)
Revelation gives us the “end times” of the world as we know it. It shows us what is fixing to happen to all the EarthDwellers (Jew and Gentile unbelievers alike).
Daniels 70th week was designed and prophesied in Zek 13:9, to force a remnant of Israel (one third) to call upon the Name of GOD. It will also bring a conclusion, to all unbelievers in the world and begin a period known today as the Millennium. A 1000 years of PEACE, TRANQUILITY ruled by Jesus Christ sitting on David’s Throne which so long ago was prophesied by Gabriel to Mary.
Jesus Christ will rule from David’s throne (Luke 1:26-33)..Luke 1:33..”He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: “
Zek 13:9.”And I will bring the third part through the fire,….....(The Remnant of Israel will be only a third part of those who started Daniel’s 70th week. )“……. and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried:……..” ( will bring them through the Great Tribulation (last 3 ½ years of Daniel’s 70th week),
Mat 24:21 “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. “ For Jesus named the last half of Daniel’s 70th week and told everyone what to expect
Zek 13:9..”………..they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. “
These “end time” prophecies have not happened yet as we await the removal of the Bride (The Body of Christ) from this earth. Yet, as all the fulfilled prophecies have been 100% true in the past, so shall all the remaining prophecies become, regardless of how Mankind restructures, removes, replaces or ignores them.
God tells us there will be a Millennium where Jesus Christ will rule with a fist of iron and the very ‘Remnant of Israel’ so many today HATE, will rule over all the nations with Him in Jerusalem.
GOD’s Holy City.
I believe Him
DO YOU?
Blade
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Hey Blade,
thanks for being more informed about the 1st century than most.
You got into trouble later:
(2) the AOD had already happened once
this is grammatical nonsense. he's telling them it would happen to them, and it was a signal to them to get out.
God does not have 2 plans going between which adepts in the 20th century are supposedly the new super Christians and 'get it' which no one before ever did.
The 'son of perdition' of Dan 8-9 was the leader of the rebellion against the occupying forces. It is called the 'rebellion that desolates' and that phrase becomes 'the abomination that desolates' when used next. The Jews had tried 'holy rebellion' by the time Christ came (the Maccabees), and they were NOT supposed to try it again. Instead, they were supposed to be missionaries of the Gospel to the whole world.
Mt24A (to v29) is concerning 1st century Judea. It is direct and its details show this. After it was over, the expectation was that the final judgement of all mankind would take place, so the 1st generation of believers were serious about getting as spread as they could. But there was an allowance. God might not end the world, as we know from some parables and from Peter. And from 'only the Father knows.'
This allowance contingency is where ALL eschatology trips and thinks it is unquestionably correct while it is all a clunky, noisy parade of mistakes and exceptions.
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Hey Blade,
thanks for being more informed about the 1st century than most.
You got into trouble later:
(2) the AOD had already happened once
this is grammatical nonsense. he's telling them it would happen to them, and it was a signal to them to get out.
God does not have 2 plans going between which adepts in the 20th century are supposedly the new super Christians and 'get it' which no one before ever did.
The 'son of perdition' of Dan 8-9 was the leader of the rebellion against the occupying forces. It is called the 'rebellion that desolates' and that phrase becomes 'the abomination that desolates' when used next. The Jews had tried 'holy rebellion' by the time Christ came (the Maccabees), and they were NOT supposed to try it again. Instead, they were supposed to be missionaries of the Gospel to the whole world.
Mt24A (to v29) is concerning 1st century Judea. It is direct and its details show this. After it was over, the expectation was that the final judgement of all mankind would take place, so the 1st generation of believers were serious about getting as spread as they could. But there was an allowance. God might not end the world, as we know from some parables and from Peter. And from 'only the Father knows.'
This allowance contingency is where ALL eschatology trips and thinks it is unquestionably correct while it is all a clunky, noisy parade of mistakes and exceptions.
Scripter.. in 167 BC, Seleucid ruler Antiochus IV ("Epiphanes"), ordered swine to be offered in every village around Jerusalem. He also erected an Idol of Zeus in the Holy of Holies. This was the First Abomination of Desolate.
The second has not occurred yet. I can with certainty tell you and all others, the AOD did not happen in 70 AD nor has it happened since.
Blade
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Forget LaHaye's fantasy flicks.
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/mat04.html
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Forget LaHaye's fantasy flicks.
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/mat04.html
1Mind1Spirit..It would be better if you told me what you are getting out of that video as it probably has different denotations for me.
I would be easy to speak about it.
Blade
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Blade,
I don't know how you can miss this, but please turn your brain on.
How does Jesus in 32 BC "warn" Israel about an AofD that happened in 167 BC and not mention there are two (no one does)?
Stop being so dominated by headlines that you won't do your historical work.
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Blade,
I don't know how you can miss this, but please turn your brain on.
How does Jesus in 32 BC "warn" Israel about an AofD that happened in 167 BC and not mention there are two (no one does)?
Stop being so dominated by headlines that you won't do your historical work.
Scripter/Interplanner....you are funny but very very historically incorrect. You are so far out there , there is not need to discuss this with you.
Blade
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A person (you) should explain how one are two, and how 32 AD is before 167 BC. That's all.
Either Christ was dialed into the horrible situation that was going to happen in that generation (Lk 23:28) or he is a flowery clown who likes to sound serious but is actually talking about things X000 years in the future. In that "you" and "be on your guard" and "get out of the city" are all meaningless in their direct sense.
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A person (you) should explain how one are two, and how 32 AD is before 167 BC. That's all.
Either Christ was dialed into the horrible situation that was going to happen in that generation (Lk 23:28) or he is a flowery clown who likes to sound serious but is actually talking about things X000 years in the future. In that "you" and "be on your guard" and "get out of the city" are all meaningless in their direct sense.
Well,,,Surely you know the difference in AD and BC... Even Wikipedia knows that?
Luke 23:28.. "But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children."
This verse tells us who Jesus was speaking to.. The Jewish people in the Temple. He was telling them what was going to happen in the near future.
By the way this happened in 70 AD 38 years after He predicted it. This is the same amount of time Israel spent in the Wilderness after getting out of Bondage from Egypt.
The Christians that believed in Jesus took His WORD to heart. They left when the city was surrounded. Because of (I believe) divine intervention, the Roman army surrounded Jerusalem for around 18 months in a sort of "time out' mode.
It is said that NO (0) Christians were killed during this time yet over 1 million Jewish people died from direct attack on themselves, Pestilence (includes Biological agents), Starvation/Famine (mothers ate their own children). These are known as Desolates of War.
I wish I could say something that would get you to see it before it is too late. Alas, I see no light in sight.
Oh, and the OT, you know that other part of the Bible, tells us that the first AOD did happen in 167 BC. The Maccabee Revolt removed the Greek armies after 3 years of fighting. They destroyed all utensils and remade them. They cleaned the temple. They rededicated it in 170 BC and that Re-dedication is know as Hanukkah.
Blade
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If you are talking about what matters to the audience of Mt 24, there is only 1 AofD. It was the rebellion that desolated the country. You have all the details on that, I don't know where we disagree. The abomination or man of sin was not something X000 years in the future which would hardly be relevant to the people listening.
But Jesus in Mt 24 would not be warning about an event that took place 200 years earlier than the audience before him, would he? That's what it sounds like you are saying.
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If you are talking about what matters to the audience of Mt 24, there is only 1 AofD. It was the rebellion that desolated the country. You have all the details on that, I don't know where we disagree. The abomination or man of sin was not something X000 years in the future which would hardly be relevant to the people listening.
But Jesus in Mt 24 would not be warning about an event that took place 200 years earlier than the audience before him, would he? That's what it sounds like you are saying.
It is obvious you do not know your Bible nor do you know anything about biblical history
Yet, you care not to try and find the truth.
Blade
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70 Weeks of Daniel Part 1
This is an audio series of Bro. Barry Hampton teaching on the 70 weeks of Daniel! I'm just starting this study and may do a separate thread unless it's ok with Blade to post them here.
44 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msc6XXYtCH0&t=173s
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Blade,
you'll have to do better than your infantile "if you don't agree with me, you don't know anything." And then there's the great super-insult: I don't care. lol.
Try again.
Why do you believe that we are suddenly supposed to see Jesus as someone who speaks about things X000 in the future right after he mentioned the same things with all seriousness about that generation in the previous chapter?
Part of my master's degree was Luke-Acts and the war (rebellion). The topic of the rebellion that desolates, and the AofD, etc, Dan 9, etc., is unavoidable. Do you know what rabbis and priests said about the R/A of desolation at the time?
Do you still want to find out how little you know or will you continue?
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Blade,
you'll have to do better than your infantile "if you don't agree with me, you don't know anything." And then there's the great super-insult: I don't care. lol.
Try again.
Why do you believe that we are suddenly supposed to see Jesus as someone who speaks about things X000 in the future right after he mentioned the same things with all seriousness about that generation in the previous chapter?
Part of my master's degree was Luke-Acts and the war (rebellion). The topic of the rebellion that desolates, and the AofD, etc, Dan 9, etc., is unavoidable. Do you know what rabbis and priests said about the R/A of desolation at the time?
Do you still want to find out how little you know or will you continue?
No One Knows The Day Or Hour - Hebraic Heritage Ministries
http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/9807/980715_c.html
From: Tony Galli
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: No One Knows The Day Or Hour
From: Tony Galli
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR?
At the Time of the End, the wise shall understand. Dan 12:10
Understanding the expression "No man knows the day or hour" is not possible
by simply taking the English translation literally, because in the book of
Daniel and the Book of Revelation, we are given EXACT descriptions of
timing, relative to KEY events - such as the shutting down of the altar
sacrifices in Jerusalem at the MID-POINT of the 70th week. Dan 9:27
Jesus was asked, "When shall these things be?" Matt 24:3
His answer ties us in to a very specific event (The Abomination of
Desolation) which can be measured on our calendars: "When you therefore
shall see the Abomination Of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place, (whoever reads, let him understand:)..." Matt 24:15.
It is now clear that "no man knows the day or hour" does NOT mean "no man
knows the day or hour" as we read it from a modern-day English perspective.
>From his book "Signs In the Heavens" by Avi Ben Mordechai, he devotes a
chapter to explaining what "no man knows the day or hour" truly means from
a rabbinical Hebraic perspective. It is a figure of speech.
The following chapter contains edited excerpts from Avi Ben Mordechai's
commentaries and builds on them aiming to explain that the Holy Bible does
in fact reveal the "day and hour" or "exact timing" of our Lord's Return.
No One Knows the Day or the Hour?
Christians over the centuries have separated themselves from their Hebraic
roots causing the misunderstanding of key Jewish biblical idioms. An idiom
is also a figure of speech. When Y'shua (Jesus) uttered His famous words
concerning the Messianic Era in Mattityahu (Matthew) 24:26, "No one knows
about that day or hour, not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but
only the Father", He used a common Jewish figure of speech referring to a
specific Jewish Festival. In essence He was saying, "I am coming for My
Bride on such and such a day! Be watching!" What day could the Jewish idiom
be referring to? Keep reading!
HEBRAIC ROOTS
Y'shua HaMashiach (Jesus the Messiah) was Jewish and lived a
Torah-observant Jewish life. Evidence suggests that He communicated to His
audience in the Hebrew language, in Hebraic ways. What does it mean to
communicate in Hebraic ways?
It means to think and talk like a Jew. In
Y'shua's day it meant to speak in the language and idioms of the day. Those
who heard the Lord speak knew what He was saying and usually what He was
alluding to unless He was speaking in parables, which had their own
analogies.
Of course, today's generation of believers struggles to
understand His words and concepts. Speaking, thinking and acting like the
Jewish Rabbi He was helped His mission in bringing the gospel message to
"the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt 15:24).
Y'shua was quoted in Mattityahu (Matthew) 8:11 as saying: "I say to you
that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places
at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven". Since
we are talking about Jewish idioms, have you ever considered the meaning of
these words?
Specifically, our Lord used and confirmed common Jewish ideas
about the Day of the Lord - the millennium - and its relation to the Feast
of Sukkot (Tabernacles) in Z'kharyah 14.
In speaking, Y'shua referred to
the Festival and its traditional guests of honour, Avraham, Yitzchak and
Ya'acov, called the ushpizin (uoosh-piz-zin) or seven shepherds (exalted
guests), invited into every succah (tabernacle) at the Feast of Sukkot in
the fall of the year.
The seven shepherds in descending order are
1. Avraham (Abraham), 2. Yitzchak (Isaac), 3. Ya'acov (Jacob), 4. Mosheh
(Moses), 5. Aaron, 6. Yosef (Joseph) and 7. HaMelech David (King David).
By mentioning the feast and three of the seven shepherds, His audience
immediately understood the allusion to the Messianic age - "Millennium" or
"Day" of the Lord.
"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost" (Luke 19:10).
Again, in this simplistic phrase Y'shua, the Son of Miriyam and Yosef,
spoke of two things: His Deity (by calling Himself the subject of the
prophet Dani'el's vision) and His mission (by calling Himself the One God
Who spoke to Mosheh on Mount Sinai) as it is written in Dani'el and
Yechezk'el (Ezekiel):
In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was One like a Son of
Man, coming with the clouds of Heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days
and was led into His presence (Dani'el 7:13-14).
For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I Myself will search for My sheep
and look after them (Yechezk'el-Ezekiel 34:11ff).
In the Gospel narrative of Luke 23:31, Y'shua said: "For if men do these
things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?" In this
verse Y'shua points His audience, who had portions of the writings of the
Prophets memorized, to the verses in Yechezk'el (Ezekiel) 20:45 to 21:7.
Without question, Y'shua's hearers knew He referred to Chevlei HaMashiach
or Ya'acov's Trouble in the Great Tribulation and warned His audience that
what they do to Him in hardness of heart now, God will do to the nation in
judgement later.
Y'shua's encounter with Natan'el (Nathanael) is recorded in Yochanan (John)
1:47-48: When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, He said of him, "Here is a
true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false". "How do You know me?"
Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, "I saw you while you were still under the
fig tree before Philip called you".
Again, our Lord used a strong figure of speech pointing to a widely taught
Jewish expectation concerning the resurrection and the millennium. In
brief, He told Natan'el that he will be alive on the Last Day to inherit
the land promised to Avraham (Bereshith-Genesis 17:8).
From Y'shua's words,
Natan'el understood he would participate in the resurrection since "that
Day" was yet future.
This is understood in the first century Jewish figure
of speech, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree", which
refers to life and study of Torah in the millennium (Midrash Rabbah
Genesis, Rabbah Song of Songs).
Y'shua also told Natan'el that he is like
righteous Avraham who received his reward for trusting God. This is
understood because of the phrase, "Here is a true Israelite, in whom there
is nothing false".
The millennial concept of the fig tree is found
throughout the Tanach including Z'kharyah 3:10: "In that day each of you
will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and fig tree", declares the
LORD Almighty. For this reason Natan'el responded emphatically to Y'shua
and His words, saying: "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; You are the King of
Israel!"
God through HaMashiach Y'shua spoke to the Jews in many portions and in
many ways (Hebrews 1:1-2) relying upon known figures of speech, common
expectations and direct thoughts from Talmudic and Pharisaic teachings. The
concepts I addressed only scratch the surface, so-to-speak.
Every phrase
and word from the mouth of the Lord meant something to His audience. He
spoke with precision. With that as a basis, let us go on to one of the most
interesting Jewish figures of speech misunderstood by the Church over the
years.
It concerns Y'shua's phrase, "No one knows about that day or hour,
not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father". In
context, He refers to the home-taking of His bride, the beginning of the
Messianic era and His millennial reign as King of kings over all the earth.
To understand this concept, we begin by examining its foundation.
ROSH HASHANAH
Chapter Five described the annual Jewish Festival of Trumpets or Rosh
HaShanah - the first day of the seventh month. A few themes linked to this
Jewish festival are resurrection, repentance, kingship, corronation and a
marriage feast.
This chapter shows another theme and convincing proof that
Rosh HaShanah is not only the start of "The Day of the Lord" (Millennium),
but is also the day of the resurrection! It has to do with the moon and its
29-day cycle of renewal.
In this period of slightly less than 30 days, the moon goes from darkness
to light and back to darkness again. This is not a haphazard occurrence
attributed to evolution or science.
God planned it for many reasons, one
being as a picture of resurrection and renewal. With each cycle of nearly
30 days the ancient rabbis understood that the moon was being reborn or
"born again" (Sefard siddur, Mussaf for Shabbat and Shabbat Rosh Chodesh,
p. 509 and 646-648).
NEW MOON
In Y'shua's day, the moon was so important that a Jewish festival was
proclaimed at the beginning of every month (Talmud Tractate Chaggigah 17b;
Shavuot 10a; Arachin 10b). This was called the New Moon Festival and in the
B'rit Chadashah, Rabbi Sha'ul (Paul) makes note of it (Colossians 2:16).
Even in the Tanach, King David provoked King Sha'ul (Saul) over it (1
Shmu'el-Samuel 20:5).
In the coming millennium the gate of the inner court
of the Temple facing east shall be opened on the new moon
(Yechezk'el-Ezekiel 46:1). And finally in the millennium all nations will
celebrate the New Moon festival every month (Yeshayahu-Isaiah 66:23). It is
obvious from the Hebrew Scriptures that in the millennium God has no plans
to do away with His system.
Since it is so important, exactly what is a new moon? It is the opposite of
a full moon. Every month the moon goes through a complete cycle of renewal
called Rosh Chodesh, the head or beginning of the renewed month. Twelve
times a year on Rosh Chodesh, the moon always starts off with its disk
being very dark to the naked eye.
Over the course of 15 days it gets
brighter and brighter until it finally reaches a full white-faced disk or
full moon. Over the next 15 days it becomes darker and darker and finally
becomes invisible to the naked eye again.
The ancient rabbis saw a great lesson in this. Just as the moon has no
light of its own but receives its light from the sun, so we too have no
light of our own and must receive it from God. As the moon goes through a
near 30-day cycle of dark to light to dark, so we need constant spiritual
renewal and repentance. Like the moon, we too must be reborn or "born
again" into HaMashiach and constantly renewed through repentance. This is
why God called it a faithful witness in the sky (Mizmor-Psalm 89:37).
If the moon is so important to God, why do we pay so little attention to
it? We have lost touch with God's faithful witness in the sky. But Y'shua
and the people of His day never lost touch with it. And as I previously
noted, not only was the new moon necessary for the Jewish calendar, it was
also a monthly festival celebrated with a feast fit for a king! So, when
Y'shua said His famous words in Mattityahu-Matthew 24:36, it had
far-reaching implications. Here are the words of Y'shua in a few different
translations:
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but
my Father only. (KJV)
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the Father. (NIV) But of that day and hour knoweth no one,
not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. (ASV)
About the exact time, however, and the hour, none knows - not even the
messengers of Heaven; but My Father alone. (Fenton Modern English
Translation)
Failing to think like Y'shua and taking phrases out of Jewish context can
lead one to misunderstand His words. For example, in many places of the
B'rit Chadashah Y'shua knew the future and talked about it openly. In one
instance He warned His talmidim (disciples) about their future saying,
"See, I have told you ahead of time" (Mattityahu-Matthew 24:25).
His context concerned the tribulation, the destruction of the Temple, the rise
and fall of false messiahs (antichrists), etc. If He knew the future in
Mattityahu 24:25, and the context concerns the Day of Trouble, why would He
suddenly speak as though He did not know the future in the same context
just 11 verses later in Mattityahu 24:36? Was He confused? Or was He making
perfect sense in light of the customs of the Jews?
Since the subject of our discussion is the new moon and figures of speech,
realize the phrase, "Of that day and hour no man knows" refers to the
sanctification or setting apart of the new moon. Without this
sanctification, the Jews had no way of determining God's "appointed times"
or moedim.
Twelve times a year a new Jewish month (Rosh Chodesh) was announced to the
people. We have no system like it today. We look at a calendar to determine
the first of the month; the Jews, however, looked at the moon.
This system
of chronology was given to the Jews to know precisely when the Holy
festivals (moedim) would fall (there are still eight of them; seven
appointed times and Shabbat). The moon was the faithful Jewish calendar or
witness in the sky and 12 times a year was sanctified as the basis of the
Jewish stellar calendar.
GOD'S APPOINTED TIMES
Because the moon was so important for Jewish date - setting, the authorities
in charge of announcing the new moon in Y'rushalayim took great care to
ensure the first day of the month was announced on time.
To correctly announce the first day of the month, established by the new moon, was one
of the Sanhedrin's greatest responsibilities. They had to ensure the people
knew when the first of the month began 12 times a year! Therefore God said
to the leaders of Israel:
These are the appointed times of the Lord, holy convocations which you
shall proclaim at the times appointed for them (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:4).
In other words, God gave the Sanhedrin authority to announce and sanctify
the new moon to the people. Its proclamation on earth was supported by God
in Heaven (c.f. Mattityahu 18:18-20 where the Jewish context supports a
believers' Sanhedrin as seen in Acts 15).
As soon as the new moon was
announced, the first day of the month began. Once the beginning of the new
month was established, the festivals and weekly Shabbats for the upcoming
month were sanctified for observance. In Hebrew, those observances have
always been called "appointed times" or moedim, literally "a sacred and
set time".
From God's perspective, the appointed times belong to Him
(Midrash Rabbah Numbers, Vol 2.21.25, p. 852) and no one has the authority
to change the celebration of an appointed time. To do so was a serious
matter and great sin. Appointed times had to be kept because of their
Messianic implications.
Further in Vayikrah (Leviticus) 23:4, notice the phrase, "holy
convocation". The phrase in Hebrew is mikraw kodesh, better translated,
"holy convocation and rehearsal". In other words, God's appointed times are
actually "holy rehearsals" set apart to reflect events in the Messianic
era.
God said to the people, "Pay attention! On this day I am going to do
something! Wake-up! The Jews were to know and practice all of God's mikraot
or holy convocations. This is the essence of Rav Sha'ul's words that the
Shabbat, new moons and festivals, "are a shadow of things to come; the body
of Mashiach" (Colossians 2:17).
Twice a year, in the spring and fall, there were several appointed times
and specific days of holy convocation dedicated to the Lord. The new moon
was the key in being able to fulfill those set times, holy convocations and
rehearsals.
For example, when the new moon was announced on the first day
of Nisan, also called Aviv, the people knew when to observe the holy
convocations and set times of the 10th (Shemot-Exodus 12:3), 14th and 15th
(Shemot-Exodus 12:6; Bamidbar-Numbers 33:3), 16th (Vayikrah-Leviticus
23:15), and finally the 21st. In the same way, when the new moon was
announced on the first day of Tishri also called Ethanim, the people knew
when to observe the Holy convocations of the 1st (Vayikrah-Leviticus
23:23), 10th (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:26), 15th (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:39),
and 22nd (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:36).
Thus from the announcement of the new
moon to the festival dates which followed, it was only a matter of counting
the right number of days. In a moment you will understand how this applies
to the phrase that Y'shua spoke concerning His coming again.
THE SANHEDRIN AND THE TWO WITNESSES
The Mishnah, also referred to as the Oral Law, dealt with the legal
elements of daily Jewish religious life, in Hebrew called halachah. In the
treasure of the first and second century halachah we find many explanations
to help us understand the Torah particularly in Y'shua's day since it was
still oral then.
In volume two called "moed" or festival, tractate Rosh
HaShanah teaches us about the Sanhedrin and its selection process of two
witnesses who would tell us when the new moon arrived. Once a month the
Sanhedrin discussed when to proclaim the new moon. They did this through
the agency of two witnesses, the element of all legal transactions in
Judaism.
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any
sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the
mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. Deut 19:15
The men were important because by their witness, Israel celebrated God's
appointed times. They had to be of good character and were always treated
with great honour. They had special privileges such as authorization to
ride into Y'rushalayim on horseback on the Shabbat to bring the good news
of the new moon festivities! The men had special status because they were
the confirmation that Y'hudah (Judaea) depended on for the correct timing
of the new month and the festivals.
Rosh HaShanah Chapter 2, Mishnah 5 reads: There was a large court in
Jerusalem called Beth Ya'azek. There all the witnesses used to assemble and
the Beth Din used to examine them.
They used to entertain them lavishly
there so that they should have an inducement to come. (The witnesses were
allowed to break the Shabbat travel restrictions for this one purpose lest
they might be reluctant to come and give the essential evidence of the
sighting of the new moon).
Continuing in Chapter 2, Mishnah 6: How do they test the witnesses? The
pair who arrive first are tested first. The senior of them is brought in
and they say to him, tell us how you saw the moon - in front of the sun or
behind the sun? To the north of it or the south? How big was it, and in
which direction was it inclined? And how broad was it? If he says (he saw
it) in front of the sun, his evidence is rejected. After that they would
bring in the second and test him. If their accounts tallied, their evidence
was accepted, and the other pairs were only questioned briefly, not because
they were required at all, but so that they should not be disappointed,
(and) so that they should not be dissuaded from coming.
In qualifying the witnesses, the Sanhedrin used the following criteria:
They never arrived at the same time.
They were never questioned at the same time.
There were always two new witnesses each month.
In short, the two qualified witnesses usually stood before the Nassi or
President of the Sanhedrin (Jewish High Court) to give account of the
moon's appearance prior to its becoming total dark (Moed Rosh HaShanah,
Chapter 3, Mishnah 1).
Just before the moon's disk enters total darkness,
there are tiny slivers of white on the edges of the waning disk. These were
called the "horns" of the moon. Correctly sighting the "horns" (on the
waning crescent) determined the beginning of the new month. Once the two
witnesses were qualified and questioned, if the President (who had
knowledge of astronomy) was convinced their observation was accurate, he
publicly sanctified the start of the new month.
After careful scrutiny to determine the official arrival of the new moon,
the Nassi or President of the Sanhedrin proclaimed Rosh Chodesh with the
words: "Sanctified", and all the people repeat after him, "Sanctified,
sanctified".
After the proclamation, the Sanhedrin ordered watchmen on the
nearby hillsides to light fires and thus inform the Jews in all of Y'hudah
(Judaea), Shomron (Samaria), Egypt, Babylon and the galut (diaspora) that
the new month had begun. That started the festival of the New Moon and
counting of the next 29- days to the next new month proclamation.
Again, once the Sanhedrin set Rosh Chodesh, or the beginning of the new
month by sighting the new moon, the rest of the festivals were calculated.
However, the seventh month, Tishri, was particularly important because it
was the only month that had a holy convocation or appointed time on the
first day of the month. This posed a unique problem.
The first day of
Tishri was the appointed time called Rosh HaShanah, the Feast of Trumpets
(Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:24). Yet no one could begin observing the festival
until they heard those famous words from the President of the Sanhedrin,
"Sanctified!"
No one in Israel could plan for the first day of the seventh month Tishri,
called Yom Teruah or the Feast of Trumpets (also called Rosh HaShanah).
When they knew how many days to count to a festival, that would be easy.
But:
HOW COULD THEY PLAN FOR A FESTIVAL THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW AT WHAT DAY OR
HOUR IT WOULD PUBLICALLY BE ANNOUNCED AND THUS BEGIN?
This was unique to Rosh HaShanah and dependent upon the testimony of the
two witnesses. Prophetically, we are informed of two important witnesses
during the Great Tribulation:
And I will give power unto My Two Witnesses, and they will prophesy 1260
days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:3
Of course, anyone could look up into the twilight or early morning sky and,
if they looked hard enough, see the new moon or at least its "horns". And
certainly an astute observer knew when about 29- days were completed since
the previous Rosh Chodesh. But recall, ONLY THE SANHEDRIN NASSI had the
authority to proclaim the first of Tishri, which was already established as
a technical procedure. Once proclaimed, the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh
HaShanah) commenced.
Until that public announcement by the Nassi, everyone
had to wait before they could begin the observance of the festival. No one
could begin the festival beforehand! Thus, we can more clearly see the
analogy Jesus made with His words: "But of that day and hour knoweth no
man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" was in regards to
this important festival of Rosh HaShanah.
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Blade,
you'll have to do better than your infantile "if you don't agree with me, you don't know anything." And then there's the great super-insult: I don't care. lol.
Try again.
Why do you believe that we are suddenly supposed to see Jesus as someone who speaks about things X000 in the future right after he mentioned the same things with all seriousness about that generation in the previous chapter?
Part of my master's degree was Luke-Acts and the war (rebellion). The topic of the rebellion that desolates, and the AofD, etc, Dan 9, etc., is unavoidable. Do you know what rabbis and priests said about the R/A of desolation at the time?
Do you still want to find out how little you know or will you continue?
No One Knows The Day Or Hour - Hebraic Heritage Ministries
http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/9807/980715_c.html
From: Tony Galli
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject: No One Knows The Day Or Hour
From: Tony Galli
To: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR?
At the Time of the End, the wise shall understand. Dan 12:10
Understanding the expression "No man knows the day or hour" is not possible
by simply taking the English translation literally, because in the book of
Daniel and the Book of Revelation, we are given EXACT descriptions of
timing, relative to KEY events - such as the shutting down of the altar
sacrifices in Jerusalem at the MID-POINT of the 70th week. Dan 9:27
Jesus was asked, "When shall these things be?" Matt 24:3
His answer ties us in to a very specific event (The Abomination of
Desolation) which can be measured on our calendars: "When you therefore
shall see the Abomination Of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place, (whoever reads, let him understand:)..." Matt 24:15.
It is now clear that "no man knows the day or hour" does NOT mean "no man
knows the day or hour" as we read it from a modern-day English perspective.
>From his book "Signs In the Heavens" by Avi Ben Mordechai, he devotes a
chapter to explaining what "no man knows the day or hour" truly means from
a rabbinical Hebraic perspective. It is a figure of speech.
The following chapter contains edited excerpts from Avi Ben Mordechai's
commentaries and builds on them aiming to explain that the Holy Bible does
in fact reveal the "day and hour" or "exact timing" of our Lord's Return.
No One Knows the Day or the Hour?
Christians over the centuries have separated themselves from their Hebraic
roots causing the misunderstanding of key Jewish biblical idioms. An idiom
is also a figure of speech. When Y'shua (Jesus) uttered His famous words
concerning the Messianic Era in Mattityahu (Matthew) 24:26, "No one knows
about that day or hour, not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but
only the Father", He used a common Jewish figure of speech referring to a
specific Jewish Festival. In essence He was saying, "I am coming for My
Bride on such and such a day! Be watching!" What day could the Jewish idiom
be referring to? Keep reading!
HEBRAIC ROOTS
Y'shua HaMashiach (Jesus the Messiah) was Jewish and lived a
Torah-observant Jewish life. Evidence suggests that He communicated to His
audience in the Hebrew language, in Hebraic ways. What does it mean to
communicate in Hebraic ways?
It means to think and talk like a Jew. In
Y'shua's day it meant to speak in the language and idioms of the day. Those
who heard the Lord speak knew what He was saying and usually what He was
alluding to unless He was speaking in parables, which had their own
analogies.
Of course, today's generation of believers struggles to
understand His words and concepts. Speaking, thinking and acting like the
Jewish Rabbi He was helped His mission in bringing the gospel message to
"the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt 15:24).
Y'shua was quoted in Mattityahu (Matthew) 8:11 as saying: "I say to you
that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places
at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven". Since
we are talking about Jewish idioms, have you ever considered the meaning of
these words?
Specifically, our Lord used and confirmed common Jewish ideas
about the Day of the Lord - the millennium - and its relation to the Feast
of Sukkot (Tabernacles) in Z'kharyah 14.
In speaking, Y'shua referred to
the Festival and its traditional guests of honour, Avraham, Yitzchak and
Ya'acov, called the ushpizin (uoosh-piz-zin) or seven shepherds (exalted
guests), invited into every succah (tabernacle) at the Feast of Sukkot in
the fall of the year.
The seven shepherds in descending order are
1. Avraham (Abraham), 2. Yitzchak (Isaac), 3. Ya'acov (Jacob), 4. Mosheh
(Moses), 5. Aaron, 6. Yosef (Joseph) and 7. HaMelech David (King David).
By mentioning the feast and three of the seven shepherds, His audience
immediately understood the allusion to the Messianic age - "Millennium" or
"Day" of the Lord.
"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost" (Luke 19:10).
Again, in this simplistic phrase Y'shua, the Son of Miriyam and Yosef,
spoke of two things: His Deity (by calling Himself the subject of the
prophet Dani'el's vision) and His mission (by calling Himself the One God
Who spoke to Mosheh on Mount Sinai) as it is written in Dani'el and
Yechezk'el (Ezekiel):
In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was One like a Son of
Man, coming with the clouds of Heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days
and was led into His presence (Dani'el 7:13-14).
For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I Myself will search for My sheep
and look after them (Yechezk'el-Ezekiel 34:11ff).
In the Gospel narrative of Luke 23:31, Y'shua said: "For if men do these
things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?" In this
verse Y'shua points His audience, who had portions of the writings of the
Prophets memorized, to the verses in Yechezk'el (Ezekiel) 20:45 to 21:7.
Without question, Y'shua's hearers knew He referred to Chevlei HaMashiach
or Ya'acov's Trouble in the Great Tribulation and warned His audience that
what they do to Him in hardness of heart now, God will do to the nation in
judgement later.
Y'shua's encounter with Natan'el (Nathanael) is recorded in Yochanan (John)
1:47-48: When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, He said of him, "Here is a
true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false". "How do You know me?"
Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, "I saw you while you were still under the
fig tree before Philip called you".
Again, our Lord used a strong figure of speech pointing to a widely taught
Jewish expectation concerning the resurrection and the millennium. In
brief, He told Natan'el that he will be alive on the Last Day to inherit
the land promised to Avraham (Bereshith-Genesis 17:8).
From Y'shua's words,
Natan'el understood he would participate in the resurrection since "that
Day" was yet future.
This is understood in the first century Jewish figure
of speech, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree", which
refers to life and study of Torah in the millennium (Midrash Rabbah
Genesis, Rabbah Song of Songs).
Y'shua also told Natan'el that he is like
righteous Avraham who received his reward for trusting God. This is
understood because of the phrase, "Here is a true Israelite, in whom there
is nothing false".
The millennial concept of the fig tree is found
throughout the Tanach including Z'kharyah 3:10: "In that day each of you
will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and fig tree", declares the
LORD Almighty. For this reason Natan'el responded emphatically to Y'shua
and His words, saying: "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; You are the King of
Israel!"
God through HaMashiach Y'shua spoke to the Jews in many portions and in
many ways (Hebrews 1:1-2) relying upon known figures of speech, common
expectations and direct thoughts from Talmudic and Pharisaic teachings. The
concepts I addressed only scratch the surface, so-to-speak.
Every phrase
and word from the mouth of the Lord meant something to His audience. He
spoke with precision. With that as a basis, let us go on to one of the most
interesting Jewish figures of speech misunderstood by the Church over the
years.
It concerns Y'shua's phrase, "No one knows about that day or hour,
not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father". In
context, He refers to the home-taking of His bride, the beginning of the
Messianic era and His millennial reign as King of kings over all the earth.
To understand this concept, we begin by examining its foundation.
ROSH HASHANAH
Chapter Five described the annual Jewish Festival of Trumpets or Rosh
HaShanah - the first day of the seventh month. A few themes linked to this
Jewish festival are resurrection, repentance, kingship, corronation and a
marriage feast.
This chapter shows another theme and convincing proof that
Rosh HaShanah is not only the start of "The Day of the Lord" (Millennium),
but is also the day of the resurrection! It has to do with the moon and its
29-day cycle of renewal.
In this period of slightly less than 30 days, the moon goes from darkness
to light and back to darkness again. This is not a haphazard occurrence
attributed to evolution or science.
God planned it for many reasons, one
being as a picture of resurrection and renewal. With each cycle of nearly
30 days the ancient rabbis understood that the moon was being reborn or
"born again" (Sefard siddur, Mussaf for Shabbat and Shabbat Rosh Chodesh,
p. 509 and 646-648).
NEW MOON
In Y'shua's day, the moon was so important that a Jewish festival was
proclaimed at the beginning of every month (Talmud Tractate Chaggigah 17b;
Shavuot 10a; Arachin 10b). This was called the New Moon Festival and in the
B'rit Chadashah, Rabbi Sha'ul (Paul) makes note of it (Colossians 2:16).
Even in the Tanach, King David provoked King Sha'ul (Saul) over it (1
Shmu'el-Samuel 20:5).
In the coming millennium the gate of the inner court
of the Temple facing east shall be opened on the new moon
(Yechezk'el-Ezekiel 46:1). And finally in the millennium all nations will
celebrate the New Moon festival every month (Yeshayahu-Isaiah 66:23). It is
obvious from the Hebrew Scriptures that in the millennium God has no plans
to do away with His system.
Since it is so important, exactly what is a new moon? It is the opposite of
a full moon. Every month the moon goes through a complete cycle of renewal
called Rosh Chodesh, the head or beginning of the renewed month. Twelve
times a year on Rosh Chodesh, the moon always starts off with its disk
being very dark to the naked eye.
Over the course of 15 days it gets
brighter and brighter until it finally reaches a full white-faced disk or
full moon. Over the next 15 days it becomes darker and darker and finally
becomes invisible to the naked eye again.
The ancient rabbis saw a great lesson in this. Just as the moon has no
light of its own but receives its light from the sun, so we too have no
light of our own and must receive it from God. As the moon goes through a
near 30-day cycle of dark to light to dark, so we need constant spiritual
renewal and repentance. Like the moon, we too must be reborn or "born
again" into HaMashiach and constantly renewed through repentance. This is
why God called it a faithful witness in the sky (Mizmor-Psalm 89:37).
If the moon is so important to God, why do we pay so little attention to
it? We have lost touch with God's faithful witness in the sky. But Y'shua
and the people of His day never lost touch with it. And as I previously
noted, not only was the new moon necessary for the Jewish calendar, it was
also a monthly festival celebrated with a feast fit for a king! So, when
Y'shua said His famous words in Mattityahu-Matthew 24:36, it had
far-reaching implications. Here are the words of Y'shua in a few different
translations:
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but
my Father only. (KJV)
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the
Son, but only the Father. (NIV) But of that day and hour knoweth no one,
not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. (ASV)
About the exact time, however, and the hour, none knows - not even the
messengers of Heaven; but My Father alone. (Fenton Modern English
Translation)
Failing to think like Y'shua and taking phrases out of Jewish context can
lead one to misunderstand His words. For example, in many places of the
B'rit Chadashah Y'shua knew the future and talked about it openly. In one
instance He warned His talmidim (disciples) about their future saying,
"See, I have told you ahead of time" (Mattityahu-Matthew 24:25).
His context concerned the tribulation, the destruction of the Temple, the rise
and fall of false messiahs (antichrists), etc. If He knew the future in
Mattityahu 24:25, and the context concerns the Day of Trouble, why would He
suddenly speak as though He did not know the future in the same context
just 11 verses later in Mattityahu 24:36? Was He confused? Or was He making
perfect sense in light of the customs of the Jews?
Since the subject of our discussion is the new moon and figures of speech,
realize the phrase, "Of that day and hour no man knows" refers to the
sanctification or setting apart of the new moon. Without this
sanctification, the Jews had no way of determining God's "appointed times"
or moedim.
Twelve times a year a new Jewish month (Rosh Chodesh) was announced to the
people. We have no system like it today. We look at a calendar to determine
the first of the month; the Jews, however, looked at the moon.
This system
of chronology was given to the Jews to know precisely when the Holy
festivals (moedim) would fall (there are still eight of them; seven
appointed times and Shabbat). The moon was the faithful Jewish calendar or
witness in the sky and 12 times a year was sanctified as the basis of the
Jewish stellar calendar.
GOD'S APPOINTED TIMES
Because the moon was so important for Jewish date - setting, the authorities
in charge of announcing the new moon in Y'rushalayim took great care to
ensure the first day of the month was announced on time.
To correctly announce the first day of the month, established by the new moon, was one
of the Sanhedrin's greatest responsibilities. They had to ensure the people
knew when the first of the month began 12 times a year! Therefore God said
to the leaders of Israel:
These are the appointed times of the Lord, holy convocations which you
shall proclaim at the times appointed for them (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:4).
In other words, God gave the Sanhedrin authority to announce and sanctify
the new moon to the people. Its proclamation on earth was supported by God
in Heaven (c.f. Mattityahu 18:18-20 where the Jewish context supports a
believers' Sanhedrin as seen in Acts 15).
As soon as the new moon was
announced, the first day of the month began. Once the beginning of the new
month was established, the festivals and weekly Shabbats for the upcoming
month were sanctified for observance. In Hebrew, those observances have
always been called "appointed times" or moedim, literally "a sacred and
set time".
From God's perspective, the appointed times belong to Him
(Midrash Rabbah Numbers, Vol 2.21.25, p. 852) and no one has the authority
to change the celebration of an appointed time. To do so was a serious
matter and great sin. Appointed times had to be kept because of their
Messianic implications.
Further in Vayikrah (Leviticus) 23:4, notice the phrase, "holy
convocation". The phrase in Hebrew is mikraw kodesh, better translated,
"holy convocation and rehearsal". In other words, God's appointed times are
actually "holy rehearsals" set apart to reflect events in the Messianic
era.
God said to the people, "Pay attention! On this day I am going to do
something! Wake-up! The Jews were to know and practice all of God's mikraot
or holy convocations. This is the essence of Rav Sha'ul's words that the
Shabbat, new moons and festivals, "are a shadow of things to come; the body
of Mashiach" (Colossians 2:17).
Twice a year, in the spring and fall, there were several appointed times
and specific days of holy convocation dedicated to the Lord. The new moon
was the key in being able to fulfill those set times, holy convocations and
rehearsals.
For example, when the new moon was announced on the first day
of Nisan, also called Aviv, the people knew when to observe the holy
convocations and set times of the 10th (Shemot-Exodus 12:3), 14th and 15th
(Shemot-Exodus 12:6; Bamidbar-Numbers 33:3), 16th (Vayikrah-Leviticus
23:15), and finally the 21st. In the same way, when the new moon was
announced on the first day of Tishri also called Ethanim, the people knew
when to observe the Holy convocations of the 1st (Vayikrah-Leviticus
23:23), 10th (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:26), 15th (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:39),
and 22nd (Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:36).
Thus from the announcement of the new
moon to the festival dates which followed, it was only a matter of counting
the right number of days. In a moment you will understand how this applies
to the phrase that Y'shua spoke concerning His coming again.
THE SANHEDRIN AND THE TWO WITNESSES
The Mishnah, also referred to as the Oral Law, dealt with the legal
elements of daily Jewish religious life, in Hebrew called halachah. In the
treasure of the first and second century halachah we find many explanations
to help us understand the Torah particularly in Y'shua's day since it was
still oral then.
In volume two called "moed" or festival, tractate Rosh
HaShanah teaches us about the Sanhedrin and its selection process of two
witnesses who would tell us when the new moon arrived. Once a month the
Sanhedrin discussed when to proclaim the new moon. They did this through
the agency of two witnesses, the element of all legal transactions in
Judaism.
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any
sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the
mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. Deut 19:15
The men were important because by their witness, Israel celebrated God's
appointed times. They had to be of good character and were always treated
with great honour. They had special privileges such as authorization to
ride into Y'rushalayim on horseback on the Shabbat to bring the good news
of the new moon festivities! The men had special status because they were
the confirmation that Y'hudah (Judaea) depended on for the correct timing
of the new month and the festivals.
Rosh HaShanah Chapter 2, Mishnah 5 reads: There was a large court in
Jerusalem called Beth Ya'azek. There all the witnesses used to assemble and
the Beth Din used to examine them.
They used to entertain them lavishly
there so that they should have an inducement to come. (The witnesses were
allowed to break the Shabbat travel restrictions for this one purpose lest
they might be reluctant to come and give the essential evidence of the
sighting of the new moon).
Continuing in Chapter 2, Mishnah 6: How do they test the witnesses? The
pair who arrive first are tested first. The senior of them is brought in
and they say to him, tell us how you saw the moon - in front of the sun or
behind the sun? To the north of it or the south? How big was it, and in
which direction was it inclined? And how broad was it? If he says (he saw
it) in front of the sun, his evidence is rejected. After that they would
bring in the second and test him. If their accounts tallied, their evidence
was accepted, and the other pairs were only questioned briefly, not because
they were required at all, but so that they should not be disappointed,
(and) so that they should not be dissuaded from coming.
In qualifying the witnesses, the Sanhedrin used the following criteria:
They never arrived at the same time.
They were never questioned at the same time.
There were always two new witnesses each month.
In short, the two qualified witnesses usually stood before the Nassi or
President of the Sanhedrin (Jewish High Court) to give account of the
moon's appearance prior to its becoming total dark (Moed Rosh HaShanah,
Chapter 3, Mishnah 1).
Just before the moon's disk enters total darkness,
there are tiny slivers of white on the edges of the waning disk. These were
called the "horns" of the moon. Correctly sighting the "horns" (on the
waning crescent) determined the beginning of the new month. Once the two
witnesses were qualified and questioned, if the President (who had
knowledge of astronomy) was convinced their observation was accurate, he
publicly sanctified the start of the new month.
After careful scrutiny to determine the official arrival of the new moon,
the Nassi or President of the Sanhedrin proclaimed Rosh Chodesh with the
words: "Sanctified", and all the people repeat after him, "Sanctified,
sanctified".
After the proclamation, the Sanhedrin ordered watchmen on the
nearby hillsides to light fires and thus inform the Jews in all of Y'hudah
(Judaea), Shomron (Samaria), Egypt, Babylon and the galut (diaspora) that
the new month had begun. That started the festival of the New Moon and
counting of the next 29- days to the next new month proclamation.
Again, once the Sanhedrin set Rosh Chodesh, or the beginning of the new
month by sighting the new moon, the rest of the festivals were calculated.
However, the seventh month, Tishri, was particularly important because it
was the only month that had a holy convocation or appointed time on the
first day of the month. This posed a unique problem.
The first day of
Tishri was the appointed time called Rosh HaShanah, the Feast of Trumpets
(Vayikrah-Leviticus 23:24). Yet no one could begin observing the festival
until they heard those famous words from the President of the Sanhedrin,
"Sanctified!"
No one in Israel could plan for the first day of the seventh month Tishri,
called Yom Teruah or the Feast of Trumpets (also called Rosh HaShanah).
When they knew how many days to count to a festival, that would be easy.
But:
HOW COULD THEY PLAN FOR A FESTIVAL THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW AT WHAT DAY OR
HOUR IT WOULD PUBLICALLY BE ANNOUNCED AND THUS BEGIN?
This was unique to Rosh HaShanah and dependent upon the testimony of the
two witnesses. Prophetically, we are informed of two important witnesses
during the Great Tribulation:
And I will give power unto My Two Witnesses, and they will prophesy 1260
days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:3
Of course, anyone could look up into the twilight or early morning sky and,
if they looked hard enough, see the new moon or at least its "horns". And
certainly an astute observer knew when about 29- days were completed since
the previous Rosh Chodesh. But recall, ONLY THE SANHEDRIN NASSI had the
authority to proclaim the first of Tishri, which was already established as
a technical procedure. Once proclaimed, the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh
HaShanah) commenced.
Until that public announcement by the Nassi, everyone
had to wait before they could begin the observance of the festival. No one
could begin the festival beforehand! Thus, we can more clearly see the
analogy Jesus made with His words: "But of that day and hour knoweth no
man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" was in regards to
this important festival of Rosh HaShanah.
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Only in hind sight. :-X
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Hey Blade,
thanks for being more informed about the 1st century than most.
You got into trouble later:
(2) the AOD had already happened once
this is grammatical nonsense. he's telling them it would happen to them, and it was a signal to them to get out.
God does not have 2 plans going between which adepts in the 20th century are supposedly the new super Christians and 'get it' which no one before ever did.
The 'son of perdition' of Dan 8-9 was the leader of the rebellion against the occupying forces. It is called the 'rebellion that desolates' and that phrase becomes 'the abomination that desolates' when used next. The Jews had tried 'holy rebellion' by the time Christ came (the Maccabees), and they were NOT supposed to try it again. Instead, they were supposed to be missionaries of the Gospel to the whole world.
Mt24A (to v29) is concerning 1st century Judea. It is direct and its details show this. After it was over, the expectation was that the final judgement of all mankind would take place, so the 1st generation of believers were serious about getting as spread as they could. But there was an allowance. God might not end the world, as we know from some parables and from Peter. And from 'only the Father knows.'
This allowance contingency is where ALL eschatology trips and thinks it is unquestionably correct while it is all a clunky, noisy parade of mistakes and exceptions.
Scripter.. in 167 BC, Seleucid ruler Antiochus IV ("Epiphanes"), ordered swine to be offered in every village around Jerusalem. He also erected an Idol of Zeus in the Holy of Holies. This was the First Abomination of Desolate.
The second has not occurred yet. I can with certainty tell you and all others, the AOD did not happen in 70 AD nor has it happened since.
Blade
This is a bunch of mumbo jumbo. History is a fact and people can read it for themselves. The AOD did indeed happen in 167 BC as I stated above and the Book of Maccabees is available in any store and the ebook is available at amazon. All the rest you stated is just jiberish.
Blade
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What is mumbo jumbo to you is the actual background regarding the zealots of those specific decades. That is what Christ is referring to. This is especially unmistakable in Luke which is transcript of Paul, and notice that he does not bother with the term 'AofD' in ch 21. Instead he is mentioning the signal signs about leaving, because he is protecting the Christians from what would happen: more of them would know that Jerusalem was surrounded than would know that a specific figure was now using the Temple.
Funny how he didn't say 'the second AofD' in his remarks. Was he forgetful? No, he was talking about the arrogant leader of the zealots, probably John of Gischala. He stayed in, and ended up with control of, the area of the temple. All of them claimed anointing from God for the battle with Rome, and claimed they had received visions and signs of intervention, that would embolden their followers into the battle.
What, anyway, would be the point of me researching an event in 167 BC when Christ is talking about that generation (this is locked by Luke 23:38--the babes as adults)--or talking about something X000 years in the future? The fact that you can't see this problem in 3 rounds of posts about it shows how mistaken your whole system is.
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I would appreciate the mile-long post more if there was a summary statement in a line or two. what is its position on 'no one knows'?
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The allowance contingency:
'only the Father knows.'
The four times when the 'master' might return in Mk 13
2 Peter 3: do not call a delay a failure to return.
So there always was an allowance that the worldwide judgement of v29+ could be much later, even though he says it would be right after (the events in 1st century Judea).
All eschatology systems seem to fail to account for the allowance and think that the worldwide judgement happened (preterism; I am not) or move all of Mt24 to the distant future (futurism; I am not that either).
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The allowance contingency:
'only the Father knows.'
The four times when the 'master' might return in Mk 13
2 Peter 3: do not call a delay a failure to return.
So there always was an allowance that the worldwide judgement of v29+ could be much later, even though he says it would be right after (the events in 1st century Judea).
All eschatology systems seem to fail to account for the allowance and think that the worldwide judgement happened (preterism; I am not) or move all of Mt24 to the distant future (futurism; I am not that either).
sounds like an Idealist!
Blade
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Well, it is for sure a non-canonical book. The King Astyages reigned during 585-550BC. He was the brother-in-law to "Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon", who have married Astyages' sister (Amytis). Astyages was removed from power by Cyrus the Great (Persian)
This King was of the Median Empire that run side by side with the Babylonian empire
605 – 562 BC. While Daniel was an important player in the Babylonian empire, He had nothing to do with the Median Empire until Cyrus the Great conquered both the Median and Babylonian Empires. Stories of Daniel had been around since before Antiochus.
None of this fairy tale, (in my opinion) is consistent with Daniel's writings.
Blade
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I concur Blade.
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I concur Blade.
Yes.
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I concur Blade.
Yes.
]tks
Blade
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZmHuHVoLGk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75lbjYm0dME
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KosbrPV6OKE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KosbrPV6OKE
I agreed with Him even up to the time Jesus Road into Jerusalem on the Donkey. Yet, the splitting of Daniel's 70th week to correspond with the Mid Acts Church is not biblical.
The first part of Daniel's week (3 1/2 years) was not split between then (right after Jesus road into the city) and the future.
All of Daniel's week is in the future and cannot begin until the Pre-Tib Rapture event has taken place.
Blade
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The Book of Daniel as a Pious Fraud
Of books included in the canon of the Hebrew Bible or Old Testament, the Book of Daniel was the last to be written. By putting visions into the words of characters who lived centuries earlier, the book's authors were able to "predict" events that had already occurred in order to give credibility to additional predictions about the immediate future. Will look at the consequences of the inclusion of this kind of literary prophecy for adherents of Abrahamic faiths who have read such predictions literally.
1 hour 35 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN9EzAjHPUk&list=WL&index=3
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The Book of Daniel as a Pious Fraud
Of books included in the canon of the Hebrew Bible or Old Testament, the Book of Daniel was the last to be written. By putting visions into the words of characters who lived centuries earlier, the book's authors were able to "predict" events that had already occurred in order to give credibility to additional predictions about the immediate future. Will look at the consequences of the inclusion of this kind of literary prophecy for adherents of Abrahamic faiths who have read such predictions literally.
1 hour 35 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN9EzAjHPUk&list=WL&index=3
As I have already written about this in another forum, the following is a copy of that post.
Yes, there is always those that try to author the book by anyone but Daniel....Even into Talmud, Daniel is a forbidden book for it speaks of the prophecy of the end days and Israel. Fortunately for us, Jesus just saved us many hours of trying to trace all of this down..,..
Mat 24:15..(KJV).."When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"
Mar 13:14..(KJV) "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"
Of course Daniel 11 is a prophecy of the Hidden Years of the Bible all 400 + of those 'silent' years.Daniels tells what is going to happen so precisely that many will resort to the above to discredit Daniel, for the prophecies came through.
Daniel is the real thing..do not doubt it
Blade
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJlKT2QXzWw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnJ2FS3u_I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0BOqAutU-s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeo48zhdp8
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The Book of Daniel as a Pious Fraud
Of books included in the canon of the Hebrew Bible or Old Testament, the Book of Daniel was the last to be written. By putting visions into the words of characters who lived centuries earlier, the book's authors were able to "predict" events that had already occurred in order to give credibility to additional predictions about the immediate future. Will look at the consequences of the inclusion of this kind of literary prophecy for adherents of Abrahamic faiths who have read such predictions literally.
1 hour 35 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN9EzAjHPUk&list=WL&index=3
As I have already written about this in another forum, the following is a copy of that post.
Yes, there is always those that try to author the book by anyone but Daniel....Even into Talmud, Daniel is a forbidden book for it speaks of the prophecy of the end days and Israel. Fortunately for us, Jesus just saved us many hours of trying to trace all of this down..,..
Mat 24:15..(KJV).."When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"
Mar 13:14..(KJV) "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"
Of course Daniel 11 is a prophecy of the Hidden Years of the Bible all 400 + of those 'silent' years.Daniels tells what is going to happen so precisely that many will resort to the above to discredit Daniel, for the prophecies came through.
Daniel is the real thing..do not doubt it
Blade
Daniel is the one book of the Bible that is outlawed by Talmud Law......
Blade
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h17_XCQ2NEg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h17_XCQ2NEg
different to say the least.
Blade