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Title: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Scotty on August 01, 2018, 04:37:51 pm
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Howdy, My name is Scotty and I am happy to meet you. Looking forward to getting to know everyone
Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: patrick jane on August 01, 2018, 11:28:21 pm
Howdy, My name is Scotty and I am happy to meet you. Looking forward to getting to know everyone
I'm getting used to it boys. The reply/quote button is at the TOP of each post. Takes some getting used to. After a few hours on here, I've gotten pretty adept at navigating and getting used to where and what to click on. Hope to see you soon. If this forum somehow manages to grow, you will be the Forum Chaplain here as well.


Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: joechan82 on August 04, 2018, 10:20:56 am
Learn to proof read your posts, you snotty nosed, malodorous pervert! Just kidding. Nice to meet you.
Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: Jon Wood on August 05, 2018, 06:59:05 pm
Howdy, My name is Scotty and I am happy to meet you. Looking forward to getting to know everyone

Aww yes! We stole the Chaplain!
Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: patrick jane on August 06, 2018, 12:49:16 am
Right now this is a Men's Club. Do you know the Freemasons are for men only?
Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: patrick jane on August 08, 2018, 12:39:53 pm
Howdy, My name is Scotty and I am happy to meet you. Looking forward to getting to know everyone
Is that Bruce Willis in your avatar or is it you?
Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: Jon Wood on August 08, 2018, 12:56:09 pm
Howdy, My name is Scotty and I am happy to meet you. Looking forward to getting to know everyone
Is that Bruce Willis in your avatar or is it you?
I actually said to myself this morning “Brother Scott looks just like Bruce Willis”
Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: Sasha on August 08, 2018, 02:00:12 pm
Right now this is a Men's Club. Do you the Freemasons are for men only?

Looking over my shoulder in fear.   :D
Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: joechan82 on August 11, 2018, 01:12:05 pm
I ain't sceered of no Bruce Willis.
Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: patrick jane on August 13, 2018, 10:34:08 am
Howdy, My name is Scotty and I am happy to meet you. Looking forward to getting to know everyone
Chaplain, you never answered me. I asked if that's you in the avatar or is it Bruce Willis, lol? It looks a little like Bruce but it could be you.
Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: Scotty on August 21, 2018, 08:28:21 am
Howdy, My name is Scotty and I am happy to meet you. Looking forward to getting to know everyone
Is that Bruce Willis in your avatar or is it you?
I actually said to myself this morning “Brother Scott looks just like Bruce Willis”
I would like to say me, But it is Bruce lol
Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: patrick jane on August 21, 2018, 08:51:27 am
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Title: Re: Hi, y'all!
Post by: guest13 on August 21, 2018, 09:01:21 am
Howdy, My name is Scotty and I am happy to meet you. Looking forward to getting to know everyone

Welcome and so glad you joined.  The encouragement and support you offer for your fellow posters has not gone unnoticed.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: patrick jane on November 21, 2019, 09:11:25 am
Chaplain Brian doesn't really do chit chats.  ;D🙏🛐✝🕊💕
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on April 12, 2020, 01:21:59 pm
So exactly what is this forum about?  It says Chaplains corner on the title.   I have been toying with toying with the idea od ministering to motorcycle groups and gatherings as a generic Chaplain. 

Any feed back, ideas or suggestions gladly taken.

I can start this as a separate thread if you all think that would be better
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Jesus Truth on April 12, 2020, 10:34:18 pm
So exactly what is this forum about?  It says Chaplains corner on the title.   I have been toying with toying with the idea od ministering to motorcycle groups and gatherings as a generic Chaplain. 

Any feed back, ideas or suggestions gladly taken.

I can start this as a separate thread if you all think that would be better
You're fine Mark. You can be the official Chaplain here if you choose, as we don't have one. I named Brian, who is Lori's husband but he is never here and he is the Chaplain over at Theology Forums. This is a really small forum but you can do whatever you would like here Mark, just let me know.

I think it's a great idea for you to minister to motorcycle groups. I would like to go to a seminary and get formal education material on theology etc. and them minister in prisons like mu uncle Larry Thornton.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on April 12, 2020, 10:50:37 pm
I spent to many hours in prison as an investigator interviewing people many years ago, I have a big block on that.  I know they need God's word, I also know I can not be the one at this point.

I am not sure what a Chaplain in a forum set up would be doing,  I was just want to ask questions, get input and float ideas.  Give me some basic guidance and I will be happy to consider it.  It can only help me.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: patrick jane on April 12, 2020, 11:12:37 pm
I spent to many hours in prison as an investigator interviewing people many years ago, I have a big block on that.  I know they need God's word, I also know I can not be the one at this point.

I am not sure what a Chaplain in a forum set up would be doing,  I was just want to ask questions, get input and float ideas.  Give me some basic guidance and I will be happy to consider it.  It can only help me.
Yes, I think it is good experience with communicating and interacting with people. Sometimes I have needed prayers and spiritual advice. You would simply look for any new posts in the forum and reply accordingly. Prayer requests, counseling and advice and spiritual guidance etc. You will do it only if you want to and it may be very few times that you are called upon. We had a Chaplain that was upset that people weren't requesting him so he quit.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on April 12, 2020, 11:21:52 pm
Is it not a good thing not to be needed in the majority of times?

I was thinking of daily scriptures and things like that.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: patrick jane on April 12, 2020, 11:33:49 pm
Is it not a good thing not to be needed in the majority of times?

I was thinking of daily scriptures and things like that.
Yes !!! I forgot that, oh my. That would be awesome Mark. Any scriptures you want and you can do it daily or weekly or whatever works for you. I will change the opening posts in these three Chaplain threads to show your name.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on April 12, 2020, 11:40:13 pm
I do not want to tread on any one's thread or job.  I want harmony and peace to prevail.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: patrick jane on April 12, 2020, 11:46:50 pm
I do not want to tread on any one's thread or job.  I want harmony and peace to prevail.
No, it's fine it wasn't anyone's job. I volunteered Brian without asking him, hahaha. He pops in a few times a year but never really posts. Everyone here will welcome you as the Forum Chaplain.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on April 13, 2020, 10:20:37 pm
I am a big fan of some of the religious thinkers.  As for modern authors C.S. Lewis has caught my attention as I can relate to his journey quite allot. 

As I read through about 300-page book of quotes from him, I plan on posting the ones that strike me as worth all to read. 

I also plan on throwing in quotes from some of the giants in theology as Aquinas, Luther,  Spurgeon, and others as I look through various scribbled notes.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Sherman on April 13, 2020, 10:24:31 pm
Often forums have more than one Chaplain.  So it doesn't hurt to have more than one.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: patrick jane on April 13, 2020, 10:26:29 pm
Often forums have more than one Chaplain.  So it doesn't hurt to have more than one.
Yes indeed, thank you Sherman. It's good to see you.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Sherman on April 16, 2020, 09:14:40 pm
You'll probably be seeing me more.  I am liking the atmosphere here.  The members are nice to each other.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on April 16, 2020, 11:08:42 pm
You'll probably be seeing me more.  I am liking the atmosphere here.  The members are nice to each other.

Nice to have you aboard Sherman.

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on April 29, 2020, 09:11:30 am
What version of the Bible do you use every day?  What version would you recommend if asked to make a recommendation?

There are 7000 know languages of those 7000 the Bible has been translated into 2900 as of 2018.   
There are 531 known versions of the Bible published.  Of those 531 as of 2018, the NIV is the most sold and the KJV is still in the top five depending on where you are at.  The survey in 2018 shows the KJV as number three overall.   An interesting side note was the Evangelicals tend to use the KJV more than other major Christian denominations.

KJV is considered still to be the most eloquent translation. King James had wanted readability and eloquence over truth and accuracy. 

Now to answer my own questions, I used the ESV the most daily.  It was what the seminary I attended used in the main and I am comfortable with it.    If I was buying or gifting someone a Bible it most likely would be giving them the NIV.   The difference if they are a student entering into a religious study course it would be the Oxford Bible with notes, commentaries, and the Apocrypha.  This is by far the best Bible for academic use as it is denomination neutral in the notes. 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on May 07, 2020, 09:05:51 pm
I was sitting in my doctor’s office and picked up a trade magazine that was laying around her office. While waiting for her to show up with test results.  Yes, in her actual office and not an exam room.  There was this article about germs and being human.  It got me thinking about religion.
In the article, the quote that hit me as religious applicable was from Louis Pasteur and a Noble Laureate in medicine recently:  The human body needs to be exposed to germs, virus, and bacteria at some level for the body to be healthy,  As it was an example in as simple terms as I can understand, for the immune system to work, it needs to be exposed to bad things so it can build its immunity to them.   The recent Nobel Laureate explained as your body's immune system is build for war and to fight always.  If it is always supplemented or never fights, the immune systems are weakened.  So, both at different times recommend, fight out a cold now and then, suffer through the mild flu.  Give your immune system something to fight, something to live for.
This got me thinking that religion is much the same.  It is built around faith, belief, and salvation.  But how do we know that we are on the right track unless we encounter sin and despair and other negative life events, temptations?   So, does that mean we need to go out and seek sin, temptations, or the like, No, it doesn’t.  We are exposed to it all the time in small doses.  What I say is it means much like our immune system, our beliefs are a warrior that needs to resist what is thrown at us each day to stay strong and build itself up.  We need to feed our warriors through our prayers, or recognition that we fight temptations every day.   We need to celebrate those wins to help us build up our own immunity to issues of the world around us.  Just my humble opinion and thoughts. 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on May 07, 2020, 09:47:26 pm
I was sitting in my doctor’s office and picked up a trade magazine that was laying around her office. While waiting for her to show up with test results.  Yes, in her actual office and not an exam room.  There was this article about germs and being human.  It got me thinking about religion.
In the article, the quote that hit me as religious applicable was from Louis Pasteur and a Noble Laureate in medicine recently:  The human body needs to be exposed to germs, virus, and bacteria at some level for the body to be healthy,  As it was an example in as simple terms as I can understand, for the immune system to work, it needs to be exposed to bad things so it can build its immunity to them.   The recent Nobel Laureate explained as your body's immune system is build for war and to fight always.  If it is always supplemented or never fights, the immune systems are weakened.  So, both at different times recommend, fight out a cold now and then, suffer through the mild flu.  Give your immune system something to fight, something to live for.
This got me thinking that religion is much the same.  It is built around faith, belief, and salvation.  But how do we know that we are on the right track unless we encounter sin and despair and other negative life events, temptations?   So, does that mean we need to go out and seek sin, temptations, or the like, No, it doesn’t.  We are exposed to it all the time in small doses.  What I say is it means much like our immune system, our beliefs are a warrior that needs to resist what is thrown at us each day to stay strong and build itself up.  We need to feed our warriors through our prayers, or recognition that we fight temptations every day.   We need to celebrate those wins to help us build up our own immunity to issues of the world around us.  Just my humble opinion and thoughts.
I agree Mark. Being aware of satan's devices and deceptions as we encounter them daily is very important.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on May 14, 2020, 12:48:05 am
I'm lonely.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on May 21, 2020, 12:23:13 am
A very nice story to think on
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on June 04, 2020, 11:13:08 pm
I have been reading and studying John Wesley.  What I am struggling with his getting a clear understanding of his philosophy "Grace before Faith".

Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on June 04, 2020, 11:22:54 pm
I have been reading and studying John Wesley.  What I am struggling with his getting a clear understanding of his philosophy "Grace before Faith".
Does that mean we are saved before we ever believe?
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on June 04, 2020, 11:38:46 pm
That is what I am struggling with.  In the totality of a cursor reading, it does not seem to be what is meant, but when broken down into his three main points, that is one of his main points of difference from him, Calvin and Luther. 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on June 17, 2020, 08:25:10 am
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Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on July 04, 2020, 05:29:47 pm
If all of us are honest as theologians, we must admit we are in the midst of a paradigm shift in the perception, acceptance, and view of the bible, the church, and the Christian religion.  As more of the 20 and 30-year-olds move into leadership positions in religion, they bring a different view that is driving this shift. 

I know many I speak with and when in seminary, spoke with, in that age bracket felt that Christian, as it has been present, is no longer in sync with their faith and belief.  Yet in conversation it was obvious we are speaking about the same things and we have the same beliefs.  It was apparent to me at least that it was in the execution and the understanding.   This shift is forcing all Christian denominations from Catholics to evangelicals to review what they are doing and how they are doing it.

So is religion as we know it facing extinction in its present form, or as my son put it, committing suicide because of its rigid adherence to 500-year-old dogma?  I think we are.  We can present a more current message without sacrificing faith and belief as we believe Jesus was teaching us.    To many of us have strayed from the root messages and teach to further a denominations agenda or a personal agenda that has little to do with faith and belief.  THIS HAS TO CHANGE.  If it does not we will be on the trash heap of history.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on July 05, 2020, 02:17:16 pm
If I said I am a Christian, I am not saying I am a clean living person, I am whispering that I am not, that I was lost, but have been found and forgiven. If I tell you I am a Christian I am not speaking it with pride, I am whispering it, as I know I have to stumble and need Christ in my life as my guide.   I am not trying to be strong if I say I am a Christian, no I am admitting I am weak and need His strength to carry on.  If I told you I am a Christian I am not bragging, no I am stating I have failed, and I have failed many times, and need God to help me clean up my messes.  If I tell you I am a Christian  I am not claiming I perfect, My flaws are far too many and way too visible for that claim,  by God believes I am worth his grace.  When I say I do say I am a Christian  I am not saying it as holier than thou, no I am just a simple everyday sinner who received God’s grace, somehow, and want to share.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on July 05, 2020, 02:31:58 pm
If I said I am a Christian, I am not saying I am a clean living person, I am whispering that I am not, that I was lost, but have been found and forgiven. If I tell you I am a Christian I am not speaking it with pride, I am whispering it, as I know I have to stumble and need Christ in my life as my guide.   I am not trying to be strong if I say I am a Christian, no I am admitting I am weak and need His strength to carry on.  If I told you I am a Christian I am not bragging, no I am stating I have failed, and I have failed many times, and need God to help me clean up my messes.  If I tell you I am a Christian  I am not claiming I perfect, My flaws are far too many and way too visible for that claim,  by God believes I am worth his grace.  When I say I do say I am a Christian  I am not saying it as holier than thou, no I am just a simple everyday sinner who received God’s grace, somehow, and want to share.
Wow, this is awesome Chaplain Mark !!! Thank you -
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on July 05, 2020, 05:12:16 pm
If I said I am a Christian, I am not saying I am a clean living person, I am whispering that I am not, that I was lost, but have been found and forgiven. If I tell you I am a Christian I am not speaking it with pride, I am whispering it, as I know I have to stumble and need Christ in my life as my guide.   I am not trying to be strong if I say I am a Christian, no I am admitting I am weak and need His strength to carry on.  If I told you I am a Christian I am not bragging, no I am stating I have failed, and I have failed many times, and need God to help me clean up my messes.  If I tell you I am a Christian  I am not claiming I perfect, My flaws are far too many and way too visible for that claim,  by God believes I am worth his grace.  When I say I do say I am a Christian  I am not saying it as holier than thou, no I am just a simple everyday sinner who received God’s grace, somehow, and want to share.
Wow, this is awesome Chaplain Mark !!! Thank you -

Mark, it may seem that I am dumping on you in my last two post. I assure you I am not but rather trying to present a different opinion and why I have that opinion.   

You are doing a great job on this forum and I hope you are here for a long while.

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on July 05, 2020, 09:59:23 pm
I took it as you meant it you sincere beliefs and the point as a theologian that you are coming from.  I love all viewpoints as that is how I gain knowledge perspective and understanding.   That is why we are all here is it not and exchange of ideas, and beliefs in the glory of God?
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on July 05, 2020, 10:38:52 pm
I took it as you meant it you sincere beliefs and the point as a theologian that you are coming from.  I love all viewpoints as that is how I gain knowledge perspective and understanding.   That is why we are all here is it not and exchange of ideas, and beliefs in the glory of God?

Amen!

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on July 06, 2020, 02:35:42 pm
While I was going through the various Bibles that I have that are King James Versions I came across a slip of paper  I wish I could take credit for, but alas it was my mothers insights she had written and stuck in my baptismal gift Bible.

It goes like this

   This book contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of Salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers.  Its doctrines are Holy,  its principles are binding, its histories are true and its decisions are immutable.  Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, practice it to be Holy.
    It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.  It is travelers map, the pilgrim's staff, the pilot's com[pass, the soldier's sword, and the Christians chart.  In here Paradise is restored, heaven opened and the gates of hell disclosed.   Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the Glory to God its end.  It should fill the memory, rule the heard, guide the feet.  Read it slowly, fervently and prayerfully.
    It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of health, and a river of pleasure.  It is given to you in life, will be opened in judgement and will be remembered forever.   It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and condemns all who trifles with its Holy content.

Give to you my son, December 1966.




 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on July 06, 2020, 02:43:32 pm
While I was going through the various Bibles that I have that are King James Versions I came across a slip of paper  I wish I could take credit for, but alas it was my mothers insights she had written and stuck in my baptismal gift Bible.

It goes like this

   This book contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of Salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers.  Its doctrines are Holy,  its principles are binding, its histories are true and its decisions are immutable.  Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, practice it to be Holy.
    It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.  It is travelers map, the pilgrim's staff, the pilot's com[pass, the soldier's sword, and the Christians chart.  In here Paradise is restored, heaven opened and the gates of hell disclosed.   Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the Glory to God its end.  It should fill the memory, rule the heard, guide the feet.  Read it slowly, fervently and prayerfully.
    It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of health, and a river of pleasure.  It is given to you in life, will be opened in judgement and will be remembered forever.   It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and condemns all who trifles with its Holy content.

Give to you my son, December 1966.




 
Wow, 54 years ago. That is beautiful.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on July 06, 2020, 10:16:49 pm
While I was going through the various Bibles that I have that are King James Versions I came across a slip of paper  I wish I could take credit for, but alas it was my mothers insights she had written and stuck in my baptismal gift Bible.

It goes like this

   This book contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of Salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers.  Its doctrines are Holy,  its principles are binding, its histories are true and its decisions are immutable.  Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, practice it to be Holy.
    It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.  It is travelers map, the pilgrim's staff, the pilot's com[pass, the soldier's sword, and the Christians chart.  In here Paradise is restored, heaven opened and the gates of hell disclosed.   Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the Glory to God its end.  It should fill the memory, rule the heard, guide the feet.  Read it slowly, fervently and prayerfully.
    It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of health, and a river of pleasure.  It is given to you in life, will be opened in judgement and will be remembered forever.   It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and condemns all who trifles with its Holy content.

Give to you my son, December 1966.




 
Wow, 54 years ago. That is beautiful.

As many mothers, still taking care of her son! Beautiful Yes.

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on July 17, 2020, 12:27:51 pm
In reading a biography about C.S. Lewis and have read one recentlyon Tolkien I have came to a conclusion we need another ers as the 1930"s in publishing in English literature.  The main stream books published all had a undercurrent of Christian themes in them.  It was a marvelous era for authors of certain beliefs.

That is what we need for the intellectual side of our beleifs.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on July 23, 2020, 01:19:31 am
Many people think they have left Chrisitian behind them.  That it is no longer needed or necessary.  Some even claim they are atheists.  But, my question is, if you look at how they were and how they are now, can you honestly say the were ever truly believers in Christianity?  Some may never had even a proper introduction to it. 
This is something that I have been contemplating lately.   

What are your thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Lori Bolinger on August 05, 2020, 07:02:05 am
Many people think they have left Chrisitian behind them.  That it is no longer needed or necessary.  Some even claim they are atheists.  But, my question is, if you look at how they were and how they are now, can you honestly say the were ever truly believers in Christianity?  Some may never had even a proper introduction to it. 
This is something that I have been contemplating lately.   

What are your thoughts on this?
Since I do not believe it is impossible to "fall away" I believe that for some it is that they never understood they need an actual relationship with God, personal and all but for others, they simply didn't have deep enough roots to sustain them.

I also believe that some of the falling away is on the church unfortunately.  Our pastor has been fond of saying that in many instances we are just leaving the newborn believer on the floor to fend for themselves...meaning we are not disciplineing them.  In fact, discipleship is what we feel God is calling and leading us into because it is sorely missing it seems in the churches today.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on August 05, 2020, 10:33:53 am
While I do think you can stray away, not sure if you can fall completely away.  While I never topped beleiveing, I did stray down a different path that pushed my beliefs to the back of my thoughts and action for many years.  While I never stopped praying and did not stop my conversations with God,  I was not giving anything a active thought.

I  fully agree some of the fault falls squarely on the churches.  The church I grew up in had a mentorship program to bring new members and new converts along for a full year.   When I started my journey back to faith, I had no one so I used books, you tube, forums like this and now it is a habit that has replaced the church more that it should.  I still feel abandon by the church is most of it.   That is not how it was intend by the founding apostles and disciplines of Christ.

Thank you for a good post to stimulate thought.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Lori Bolinger on August 05, 2020, 02:11:03 pm
While I do think you can stray away, not sure if you can fall completely away.  While I never topped beleiveing, I did stray down a different path that pushed my beliefs to the back of my thoughts and action for many years.  While I never stopped praying and did not stop my conversations with God,  I was not giving anything a active thought.

I  fully agree some of the fault falls squarely on the churches.  The church I grew up in had a mentorship program to bring new members and new converts along for a full year.   When I started my journey back to faith, I had no one so I used books, you tube, forums like this and now it is a habit that has replaced the church more that it should.  I still feel abandon by the church is most of it.   That is not how it was intend by the founding apostles and disciplines of Christ.

Thank you for a good post to stimulate thought.
I have never walked away, even for a season (btw, I believe there is a difference between straying and falling away) so I can't relate to that but as to the church I totally get it.  We ourselves did not go to a local church body for a season and we didn't have a lot of access at that time to on line things.  The church can and often is a very hostile place.  I pray for a revival including but not limited to the "church".

If you ever feel the need to talk I'm just a PM away or Brian would be happy to talk or listen ;) as well.  (in case you don't know, Brian is my husband and is easiest found on the theology forum as chaplain but I can give you more contact for him as well.

To give you an idea, not only have we experienced some of the usual abuses of the church but one church where Brian pastored, got so upset about him preaching that we are to love even our enemies that they threatened him, when he stood firm, they threatened me, when that didn't cause him to cave, they threatened our children, when he still stood firm, they fired him.  We went to another church and they got so upset that a couple of much older deaccons children literally through our then young boys against the brick wall, we were on the verge of ER visit...didn't take long for them to fire him after that, all because he would not cave on the word of God...and that is just a few stories I could share.

Today we are part of a body but have been mistreated there as well.  So we focus on the faithful there and the ministry God is calling us into and allow God to defend us, protect us, and even avenge us in His time.  (Not that we want vengeance but that God will punish those that need corrected and judge as is just.

May you grow in our Lord and King as you fall deeper and deeper in Love with Him.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chit Chat
Post by: Ted T. on August 06, 2020, 10:53:52 am

Any feed back, ideas or suggestions gladly taken.

I can start this as a separate thread if you all think that would be better
You might be interested in the FB group: Outlaw Church of West Texas led by Clint Overland (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1632795216952314/) ... 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Ted T. on August 06, 2020, 11:04:37 am
Does that mean we are saved before we ever believe?


The elect are under the promise of salvation by their election looooong before the salvation process is ever started in them. Is HIS promise good? Then the sinful elect can be counted among the saved and the righteous though still in thier sins...
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Ted T. on August 06, 2020, 11:15:04 am
Many people think they have left Chrisitian behind them.  That it is no longer needed or necessary.  Some even claim they are atheists.  But, my question is, if you look at how they were and how they are now, can you honestly say the were ever truly believers in Christianity?  Some may never had even a proper introduction to it. 
This is something that I have been contemplating lately.   

What are your thoughts on this?


I agree and I believe the parable of the sower exemplifies this point. The five foolish virgins that have no personal relationship with our Lord at all (He does not know them!) are in the wedding party after all.


Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on August 07, 2020, 11:10:40 am
That is a very good parable for this issue at least for me.  Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on August 13, 2020, 04:29:50 pm
A thought that just pased through my head: If you have no faith in yourself can never have faith in God.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Lori Bolinger on August 17, 2020, 08:26:59 am
A thought that just pased through my head: If you have no faith in yourself can never have faith in God.
I might argue that until you lose faith in yourself, you have no idea how to have faith in God.

Such a busy day ahead but let me explain.  When we have faith in ourselves, we are trustingour own abilitites when we are to trust God for the things that we need.  In the military, they break you down before building you us into a unit rather than an individual yet the centurian was hailed in scripture as having a faith unlike any Christ had seen before.  He had learned how to stop being an individual, putting his trust in himself and learned how to be a unit, with trust in the commanders over him.  Until we learn to be a body, a soldier whose commander is God, we are missing it.

Speaking of missing it, maybe I missed where you were going with this and thus spoke out of turn.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on August 17, 2020, 12:14:51 pm
Actually Lori, The thought occurred and then I got distracted and did not finish my thought.

What I was getting at, if we do not have faith in ourselves as in faith in our own faith and belief in God, then having faith alone will not stand up to tempations and tests of life.  Our faith in our own faith must be so strong that our faith in God is unwavering.

That is all the further I got into my thought process.

Hope that helps  explain my thought better.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on August 17, 2020, 02:15:25 pm
Actually Lori, The thought occurred and then I got distracted and did not finish my thought.

What I was getting at, if we do not have faith in ourselves as in faith in our own faith and belief in God, then having faith alone will not stand up to tempations and tests of life.  Our faith in our own faith must be so strong that our faith in God is unwavering.

That is all the further I got into my thought process.

Hope that helps  explain my thought better.
I looked into studying our faith and never finished. We are told by God that if our faith; if MY faith was that of the size of a mustard seed I could remove a mountain. That tells me that God knows we are ALL weak in faith. I believe it is the faith of Jesus Christ that saves me and not my own tiny miniscule portion of "faith".

On the other hand, I believe and nothing will ever change that. Complicated is our faith.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on August 17, 2020, 03:20:14 pm
I think the mustard seed is a perfect example of knowing your own faith and knowing your faith in God.  Yes PJ we are all weak, we all have succumbed to some type of tempations in our lives, it is what we do after and if we use it to make faith n God stronger that really counts.  That, as always is my opinion.  As for studying faith, I am with you, I have not studied it, and not sure I will, but I did have a passing thought I expressed.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on August 17, 2020, 11:18:32 pm
Actually Lori, The thought occurred and then I got distracted and did not finish my thought.

What I was getting at, if we do not have faith in ourselves as in faith in our own faith and belief in God, then having faith alone will not stand up to tempations and tests of life.  Our faith in our own faith must be so strong that our faith in God is unwavering.

That is all the further I got into my thought process.

Hope that helps  explain my thought better.
I looked into studying our faith and never finished. We are told by God that if our faith; if MY faith was that of the size of a mustard seed I could remove a mountain. That tells me that God knows we are ALL weak in faith. I believe it is the faith of Jesus Christ that saves me and not my own tiny miniscule portion of "faith".

On the other hand, I believe and nothing will ever change that. Complicated is our faith.

Having Faith in Jesus is given to us in the scripture. "according to Scripture" we are told three times in the representation of His Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4).   The more we study His word, the deeper our faith becomes.

Me, I simply believe every word of the KJV Bible to the point that I have faith that I can prove it is His WORD. The WORD of an extraterrestrial, one beyond our time who took His time to create us, guide us through the centuries and give us a way to become immortal (eternal) with HIM....I look forward to that day.

Therefore, every time you are reading/studying the Bible, you are studying your faith in Him.

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Lori Bolinger on August 18, 2020, 06:41:54 am
Actually Lori, The thought occurred and then I got distracted and did not finish my thought.

What I was getting at, if we do not have faith in ourselves as in faith in our own faith and belief in God, then having faith alone will not stand up to tempations and tests of life.  Our faith in our own faith must be so strong that our faith in God is unwavering.

That is all the further I got into my thought process.

Hope that helps  explain my thought better.
I guess I see it as faith in God and His promises rather than faith in myself.  I was taught to short version, hate myself and there are times where that is a problem but other times when it is a great blessing because I put no faith in myself, thus having to put faith in someone else, I chose to trust God.  Hope that makes sense....I am not saying you are wrong, just saying how I see the terminology if nothing else.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Lori Bolinger on August 18, 2020, 06:47:25 am
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans 10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage fits into the discussion?
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on August 18, 2020, 07:25:12 am
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans 10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage fits into the discussion?
It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Lori Bolinger on August 18, 2020, 09:31:11 am
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans 10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage fits into the discussion?
It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
i am a firm believer in the totality of scripture so lets add Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

to our undersstanding...if our faith is in our faith, who is our faith really in if He is the one that gave it to us?  And if HE is the one that gave it to us, then we must have heard HIS voice in order to have recieved it, whether it was from the Bible, a teacher, a preacher, a song, or just from the Spirit's whisper, or yell (lol)
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on August 18, 2020, 09:38:26 am
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans 10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage fits into the discussion?
It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
i am a firm believer in the totality of scripture so lets add Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

to our understanding...if our faith is in our faith, who is our faith really in if He is the one that gave it to us?  And if HE is the one that gave it to us, then we must have heard HIS voice in order to have recieved it, whether it was from the Bible, a teacher, a preacher, a song, or just from the Spirit's whisper, or yell (lol)
Amen. I was thinking of those who never heard of Jesus or the words in scripture, like before Jesus walked the earth etc remote islands and deep jungles etc.

So, I thought that God speaks to us but would we instinctively "know" God has a Son? Who died for every person for remission of sins? That's why my statement and subsequent belief that MY faith is small and weak and we are actually saved by His blood and His faith. I believe that nothing I do or can ever do in the earth will "get me to heaven" which also reminds me of the thread I started about the Crowns awarded in heaven.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Lori Bolinger on August 18, 2020, 10:14:36 am
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans 10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage fits into the discussion?
It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
i am a firm believer in the totality of scripture so lets add Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

to our understanding...if our faith is in our faith, who is our faith really in if He is the one that gave it to us?  And if HE is the one that gave it to us, then we must have heard HIS voice in order to have recieved it, whether it was from the Bible, a teacher, a preacher, a song, or just from the Spirit's whisper, or yell (lol)
Amen. I was thinking of those who never heard of Jesus or the words in scripture, like before Jesus walked the earth etc remote islands and deep jungles etc.

So, I thought that God speaks to us but would we instinctively "know" God has a Son? Who died for every person for remission of sins? That's why my statement and subsequent belief that MY faith is small and weak and we are actually saved by His blood and His faith. I believe that nothing I do or can ever do in the earth will "get me to heaven" which also reminds me of the thread I started about the Crowns awarded in heaven.
some time ago, Brian was telling me about a phenomena where all around the world there is a "God" story similar to the Christ...which reminds me of the passage that says we are without excuse.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on August 19, 2020, 09:15:58 am
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans 10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage fits into the discussion?
It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
i am a firm believer in the totality of scripture so lets add Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

to our understanding...if our faith is in our faith, who is our faith really in if He is the one that gave it to us?  And if HE is the one that gave it to us, then we must have heard HIS voice in order to have recieved it, whether it was from the Bible, a teacher, a preacher, a song, or just from the Spirit's whisper, or yell (lol)
Amen. I was thinking of those who never heard of Jesus or the words in scripture, like before Jesus walked the earth etc remote islands and deep jungles etc.

So, I thought that God speaks to us but would we instinctively "know" God has a Son? Who died for every person for remission of sins? That's why my statement and subsequent belief that MY faith is small and weak and we are actually saved by His blood and His faith. I believe that nothing I do or can ever do in the earth will "get me to heaven" which also reminds me of the thread I started about the Crowns awarded in heaven.
some time ago, Brian was telling me about a phenomena where all around the world there is a "God" story similar to the Christ...which reminds me of the passage that says we are without excuse.

Lori...All people even those not touched by missionaries, etc. have no excuse as to the reality there is a GOD. Even the Bible tells us so..All they have to do is look outside and see HIM...'''

Rom 1:20.."For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

Therefore nobody on earth can use the excuse: "I did not know" on Judgement day.

Blade



Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Lori Bolinger on August 19, 2020, 12:30:05 pm
I think there are many that misunderstand this passage...Romans 10:17
King James Version
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

but for the sake of discussion, how do you think this passage fits into the discussion?
It means one must hear about God and Christ. Obviously you can't believe something you've never heard nor seen of.
i am a firm believer in the totality of scripture so lets add Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

to our understanding...if our faith is in our faith, who is our faith really in if He is the one that gave it to us?  And if HE is the one that gave it to us, then we must have heard HIS voice in order to have recieved it, whether it was from the Bible, a teacher, a preacher, a song, or just from the Spirit's whisper, or yell (lol)
Amen. I was thinking of those who never heard of Jesus or the words in scripture, like before Jesus walked the earth etc remote islands and deep jungles etc.

So, I thought that God speaks to us but would we instinctively "know" God has a Son? Who died for every person for remission of sins? That's why my statement and subsequent belief that MY faith is small and weak and we are actually saved by His blood and His faith. I believe that nothing I do or can ever do in the earth will "get me to heaven" which also reminds me of the thread I started about the Crowns awarded in heaven.
some time ago, Brian was telling me about a phenomena where all around the world there is a "God" story similar to the Christ...which reminds me of the passage that says we are without excuse.

Lori...All people even those not touched by missionaries, etc. have no excuse as to the reality there is a GOD. Even the Bible tells us so..All they have to do is look outside and see HIM...'''

Rom 1:20.."For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

Therefore nobody on earth can use the excuse: "I did not know" on Judgement day.

Blade
Kind of what I just said...but cool, we agree
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on August 27, 2020, 01:41:06 am
The British Library has put some of the most famous religious texts online. Their new collection, Discovering Sacred Texts, is accessible to the public (www.bl.uk/sacred-texts/). It features nearly 300 texts that are sacred to a variety of religions, including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Zoroastrianism. For some of these texts, it is the first time they have been made available to the general public. Some highlights include the first complete Mishnah (from 1492), the Codex Sinaiticus (one of the earliest Christian Bibles, from the fourth century), and the Ma’il Quran (one of the oldest copies of the Quran, from the eighth century). Now anyone can explore these manuscripts—from anywhere in the world with internet access!

From Biblical Archeology magazine.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on August 27, 2020, 08:48:07 pm
The British Library has put some of the most famous religious texts online. Their new collection, Discovering Sacred Texts, is accessible to the public (www.bl.uk/sacred-texts/). It features nearly 300 texts that are sacred to a variety of religions, including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Zoroastrianism. For some of these texts, it is the first time they have been made available to the general public. Some highlights include the first complete Mishnah (from 1492), the Codex Sinaiticus (one of the earliest Christian Bibles, from the fourth century), and the Ma’il Quran (one of the oldest copies of the Quran, from the eighth century). Now anyone can explore these manuscripts—from anywhere in the world with internet access!

From Biblical Archeology magazine.

Thanks Mark, there are some good material within this link. While I have scanned over  several articles, I have also saved the link for future reference.

Thanks.

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on August 27, 2020, 08:50:44 pm
I found it a very interesting link and like you found good material at this link.  Felt worthy of sharing
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on August 28, 2020, 06:46:39 pm
For all of us Theologians

St. Augustine of Hippo
St Augustine of Hippo Holy CardSaint Augustine of Hippo, a man of great intellect and one of the most important Church fathers, sought comfort in worldly pleasures but found no solace in them. His life is an example of how worldly distractions interfere with living a true Christian life. His quote, “I have learned to love you late, beauty at once so ancient and so new!” is testament to his powerful and complete conversion to Christianity.

Pope Boniface VII designated St. Augustine as Doctor of the Church in 1298. The Western Church celebrates the feast of St. Augustine on August 28. Eastern Christianity designates June 15 as his feast day and the Assyrian Church celebrates November 4 as his feast day. He is the patron saint of brewers, printers and theologians. His search for truth and subsequent devotion to Christ also makes St. Augustine a saintly hero for members of the RCIA or recent converts to Catholicism.

 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on August 28, 2020, 08:03:47 pm
For all of us Theologians

St. Augustine of Hippo
St Augustine of Hippo Holy CardSaint Augustine of Hippo, a man of great intellect and one of the most important Church fathers, sought comfort in worldly pleasures but found no solace in them. His life is an example of how worldly distractions interfere with living a true Christian life. His quote, “I have learned to love you late, beauty at once so ancient and so new!” is testament to his powerful and complete conversion to Christianity.

Pope Boniface VII designated St. Augustine as Doctor of the Church in 1298. The Western Church celebrates the feast of St. Augustine on August 28. Eastern Christianity designates June 15 as his feast day and the Assyrian Church celebrates November 4 as his feast day. He is the patron saint of brewers, printers and theologians. His search for truth and subsequent devotion to Christ also makes St. Augustine a saintly hero for members of the RCIA or recent converts to Catholicism.

did not St. Augustine finally come around to the Justifcation by fasith and faith alone. I think He did..

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on August 28, 2020, 08:08:46 pm
Yes, he did in the end.  In all denominations that venerate saints, he has been venerated as a saint.  Mostly for the theology he expressed and being a convert from a depraved womanizer as one scholar put it.   I think his writing can give anyone what they seek if they wade through it when it comes to faith.

I like some of what he says other stuff I have to remind myself when he wrote it.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on August 28, 2020, 10:37:38 pm
Yes, he did in the end.  In all denominations that venerate saints, he has been venerated as a saint.  Mostly for the theology he expressed and being a convert from a depraved womanizer as one scholar put it.   I think his writing can give anyone what they seek if they wade through it when it comes to faith.

I like some of what he says other stuff I have to remind myself when he wrote it.

Yes, I understand, As I have several of his writings one has to be careful to discern the time he wrote them.

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on August 30, 2020, 01:05:36 pm
We must always remember that the battle we are in now is not a physical battle, but instead a spiritual one. The weapons that are being fought with are not physical weapons; they are spiritual weapons.
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds (2 Cor. 10:4).
We are called into the service of spiritual warfare by God. We belong to Him, and therefore we are in the army of the Lord. Our enemy is the devil. He has great power and will do everything in his power to see us defeated.
The entirety of this world is a spiritual battlefield. Even so, we may never actually see the war being waged. If the truth is told, the war itself is already over. Christ won the ultimate victory at Calvary. Yet there are battles still being fought. What are the spoils of these battles? They are, to God, of the greatest value. The souls of those who stand in the valley of decision are won and lost everyday.
As believers, we are also called to be soul-winners. Every spiritual battle fought is fought so unbelievers can come to Christ. That is the goal of any soldier in the Lord's army.
Every soldier goes to battle with equipment that is trusted, effective and reliable. No soldier would ever go to battle without their equipment. What is the spiritual equipment that the Lord provides to the believer in His service? We put on Jesus Christ. Notice that each piece of the armor of God is a synonym for Jesus.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God (Eph. 6:13-17).
Are you ready for battle today?
Thank you Father for always giving us what we need in every battle we may face!!
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on September 10, 2020, 01:11:23 pm
Borrow this from a young Chaplain from a Biker Chaplaincy group I am a member of, excellent piece of writing.

"Cast all your anxieties on Him, because He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7) Our Lord is faithful and He has never promised or said that we would not have anxiety, worry, or fear and yet His word does tell us that when we are anxious we can let our burdens down at His feet, surrendering them to His care and He will give us rest, peace, renewal, and strength. So whatever you face today my brothers and sisters do as the Psalmist says in Psalm 56:3, "When I am afraid, I put my trust in You." and let God revive your faith.

Thank you C. Boggs for letting me repost here.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on September 15, 2020, 01:19:28 pm
borrowed from another forum I am on.  I hope to be as faithful, devote, and knowledge as this person before my time here is over.

"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." (Matthew 24:12-13)
On this day we can see that for many their hearts have grown cold and turned away from acts of kindness and love towards their neighbor. The bible teaches that if we endure until the end we shall be saved and yet you might be saying to yourself, "But I am saved already." It is true that we are saved and yet truth also be told in order to reach the eternal goal and earn the crown that will not fade we must continue to do good and to live well in the love of Christ. My hope is that everyone will know and learn to live and to love in the love of our Lord but until that comes or even if it doesn't may we continue to live and be radical lovers of one another and those who are of the world. May we be careful as well to be friends to the world instead of lovers of the world. Let us love radically today and endure to the end. Keep running the race of faith my brothers and sisters. Be blessed to be a blessing today as always. Amen.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on September 15, 2020, 08:26:53 pm
I want to post some videos on SERVING the Lord and Ministering grace.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mYxf7xxATU
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on September 15, 2020, 08:27:06 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5c-xioum3I
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on September 15, 2020, 08:51:17 pm
great posts
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on September 22, 2020, 01:21:55 am
"You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending."
C.S. Lewis
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on September 23, 2020, 10:03:54 pm
So in a rare facebook priivate message discussion I was told I was a throw bak to the old monastic scholasticism.  I had to actually go look up the exact definition an background of that.  It appears that was a rather nice complement. 

I admit I prefer the historical and academic side of Theology and still not comfortable with the real time application.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on September 28, 2020, 11:26:29 am
In our youth we build an image of ourselves, then spend a lifetime trying to live up to that image.  Why not deconstruct that image and build one that is based on one you do not have to live up to but can live daily with. 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on September 28, 2020, 08:13:36 pm
In our youth we build an image of ourselves, then spend a lifetime trying to live up to that image.  Why not deconstruct that image and build one that is based on one you do not have to live up to but can live daily with.

Well said, Well said!

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on October 05, 2020, 12:40:15 am
Have you ever wondered why there is no plain language theology? 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on October 05, 2020, 08:11:08 pm
Have you ever wondered why there is no plain language theology?

Don't think I have ever heard about a Plain Language? Must be something NEW! What people or nation uses this "Plain" Language.

LOL...

Have a great evening, my friend.

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on October 05, 2020, 09:44:24 pm
I haven't either, but instead of all the terms in jargon and dead languages, how about simple straight forwards saying it.

LOL
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on October 16, 2020, 11:53:25 pm
Okay, I am going out on a limb and hope it starts a conversation and not a conflict.   I have heard and read about salvation. There is salvation through Grace alone, there is Salvation through Faith alone and there is Salvation through both Faith and Grace.   All of the reformers appear, to the best research I can do, to base their salvation theory’s on Augustine's writings on Paul or from Paul’s writings alone.

I struggle with this.  You see, I have no idea what God will ultimately do.  I am not one to assume based on 2000 years old inspired writings nor presume they still apply as originally intended since they were not intended for humanity to become what it has.  That is my internal battle.   

As I see it, no one, absolutely no one can speak for or to what God will do with or to us as our spirit/soul passes on.   We have all made assumptions on the importance of Grace and Faith.  We even make assumptions and arguments on what each of those means.  So in deep reflection and prayer, I came to the only answer I can come to and works for me and how I understand all of this.
 
Live your life in such a way that you leave no doubt to God your holiness, grace, and faith is/was according to his word.   That way you remove worry about how others interpret and the argument over salvation because of grace and/or faith.    I have always believed life is to be lived for God’s glory, not for someone else’s determination of what God’s glory and love is.  You know inside if you are doing this.  So do it: Live your life for God.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on October 17, 2020, 12:04:11 am
Okay, I am going out on a limb and hope it starts a conversation and not a conflict.   I have heard and read about salvation. There is salvation through Grace alone, there is Salvation through Faith alone and there was Salvation through both Faith and Grace.   All of the reformers appear, to the best research I can do, to base their salvation theory’s on Augustine's writings on Paul or from Paul’s writings alone.
I struggle with this.  You see, I have no idea what God will ultimately do.  I am not one to assume based on 2000 years old inspired writings nor presume they still apply as originally intended since they were not intended for humanity to become what it has.  That is my internal battle.   
As I see it, no one, absolutely no one can speak for or to what God will do with or to us as our spirit/soul passes on.   We have all man assumption on the importance of Grace and Faith.  We even make assumptions and arguments on what each of those means.  So in deep reflection and prayer, I came to the only answer I can come to and works for me and how I understand all of this. 
 Live your life in such a way that you leave no doubt to God your holiness, grace, and faith is/was according to his word.   That way you remove worry about others interpret and argument over salvation because of grace and/or faith.    I have always believed life is to be lived for God’s glory, not for someone else’s determination of what God’s glory and love is.  You know inside if you are doing this.  So do it: Live your life for God.
Great post brother. I will read it some more and reply Saturday, later today now actually. You touched on what everyone thinks eventually and we all want answers in this life etc. Great topic.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Lori Bolinger on October 17, 2020, 10:43:55 am
Okay, I am going out on a limb and hope it starts a conversation and not a conflict.   I have heard and read about salvation. There is salvation through Grace alone, there is Salvation through Faith alone and there is Salvation through both Faith and Grace.   All of the reformers appear, to the best research I can do, to base their salvation theory’s on Augustine's writings on Paul or from Paul’s writings alone.

I struggle with this.  You see, I have no idea what God will ultimately do.  I am not one to assume based on 2000 years old inspired writings nor presume they still apply as originally intended since they were not intended for humanity to become what it has.  That is my internal battle.   

As I see it, no one, absolutely no one can speak for or to what God will do with or to us as our spirit/soul passes on.   We have all made assumptions on the importance of Grace and Faith.  We even make assumptions and arguments on what each of those means.  So in deep reflection and prayer, I came to the only answer I can come to and works for me and how I understand all of this.
 
Live your life in such a way that you leave no doubt to God your holiness, grace, and faith is/was according to his word.   That way you remove worry about how others interpret and the argument over salvation because of grace and/or faith.    I have always believed life is to be lived for God’s glory, not for someone else’s determination of what God’s glory and love is.  You know inside if you are doing this.  So do it: Live your life for God.
It would seem from your post that I am a very unique individual...lol...to put it mildly

As I see it, it is NOT for us to "argue" over grace verses faith or whether or not we need to do X to remain in Him...it is ours to seek God with all we are and Him only and in that put our trust.  End of the story or the beginning of the story depending on your pov.  When we seek God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength and Him alone, He will show us everything else we need in our lives and since His authority if final, that is all we need.

That being said, there are ways to know if we have yet arrived at the point in which we are assured of our salvation and that way is the working of the Holy Spirit in our lives.  There is a huge list of things that the HS does for the believer, the short version is the fruit of the spirit and if that is an ever growing thing then it testifies to the work of the HS.  That being said, there are words there and many do not understand, for example the Love there is agape and it is nothing at all like world Love.  So it is seeking God with our minds to learn what those things mean so that we can identify them in our lives.

There are lots of ways God works in our lives, our desire and empowerment to be without sin is one, of course we grow more like Christ, so that does NOT mean we are suddenly without any sin...but maybe that is another topic.

So maybe this post is not complete without an example of something God can do that we cannot without His power.

A little over 10 years ago, we suddenly lost our son to a freak swimming accident.  He was the glue so to speak of the kids and each of the other kids had something serious that happened along about the same time, causing them to run from God in different ways, and us in the process...in essence we lost all of our kids to one degree or other when our son died...and that is all I will say about that at this time.  But, going back to the first few days of our sons death.  There was a man from the church who accused us of killing our son for believing in the trinity.  Here we were in deep grief, shock, trying to keep the kids together, sending our eldest back to war the day after the funeral, etc. and this guy feels justified to accuse us of bringing God's judgement on ourselves through God killing our son because we had a wrong belief about God...(wrong meaning not matching his belief)  Every fiber of our beings wanted to lash out and destroy or at least hurt that man as badly as he hurt us.

Well, as it so happened we didn't see him for a few weeks, when we did, it was in a local store.  My husband almost came to blows with the man in the middle of the store.  From the worlds pov that would have been just...but God has a different plan, a different form of justice that He wants us to adhere to, one that is NOT in man to do without the power of the HS.  So in those moment, I asked God to show me HOW to LOVE this man, my enemy that did so much harm and destruction to our family.  While still in the depths of grief and pain that he inflicted, the HS in me calmed me and I was able to talk to the man till he confessed he was wrong.  He never tried to reconcile (he is dead now) but he did confess he was wrong and that day I still marvel at how God worked through me to do what was NOT in me to do.  My husband btw will tell you that that day he failed to trust God to Love that man through him.

The working of the HS in our lives is the guarantee of salvation (passages if needed but common so not thinking they are needed) and it is when HE does things through us that are NOT possible in the flesh that we know, that we, have done what it takes to have assurance of salvation whether that is faith alone or grace alone or a combination of all these things that come to us when we SEEK Him with all we are and all we ever hope to be.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on October 17, 2020, 02:07:22 pm
I struggle with others casting dispersion on anyone's belief especially at a time of grief.  That was not taught in Chaplains school, in seminary or any other place.  We were taught that in times of grief and stress it is God's love and embrace that is needed, addressing anything in a corrective nature is a CONVERSATION  (not an accusation) for another time once you help them through that time.  So color me shocked and appalled even if it worked out.   It was and still is people like him that drove me away and causes me great distress now.

All that said the just of what you said I find some I am not in agreement with as I am not fully understanding.  The foundation of what you say, I find make sense.  My issues has always been we as people of God have found various ways to get wrapped up in the  details and to argue, disagree or in some way to come to a conclusion that the way we learned is the "Only" way to salvation, to God's grace to have proper faith.  That is not what Jesus was about and all of us who have taken the journey to learn and understand his teachings.

Like I had said, it seems we all have chosen a position of what we believe God wants us to do for Salvation and most believe they have it right.   So times I wonder if the true Salvation is that we find a way to seek Salvation in his Glory and in his holiness and the rest is just static noise.  Just a thought and only that.

Thank you lori for answering and you have provided me with things to think on and to look into. 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Lori Bolinger on October 17, 2020, 04:20:21 pm
I struggle with others casting dispersion on anyone's belief especially at a time of grief.  That was not taught in Chaplains school, in seminary or any other place.  We were taught that in times of grief and stress it is God's love and embrace that is needed, addressing anything in a corrective nature is a CONVERSATION  (not an accusation) for another time once you help them through that time.  So color me shocked and appalled even if it worked out.   It was and still is people like him that drove me away and causes me great distress now.

All that said the just of what you said I find some I am not in agreement with as I am not fully understanding.  The foundation of what you say, I find make sense.  My issues has always been we as people of God have found various ways to get wrapped up in the  details and to argue, disagree or in some way to come to a conclusion that the way we learned is the "Only" way to salvation, to God's grace to have proper faith.  That is not what Jesus was about and all of us who have taken the journey to learn and understand his teachings.

Like I had said, it seems we all have chosen a position of what we believe God wants us to do for Salvation and most believe they have it right.   So times I wonder if the true Salvation is that we find a way to seek Salvation in his Glory and in his holiness and the rest is just static noise.  Just a thought and only that.

Thank you lori for answering and you have provided me with things to think on and to look into.
I find myself smiling in agreement throughout your response.  to that point, let me share how I came to Christ.

At about six years old, my life was so out of control that I knew I would never make it if something or someone didn't step in.  One night as I was "dreaming" of never waking up or if I did wake up, my family would be gone, I came to the conclusion that there had to be a creator since this world couldn't just happen.  If there was a creator, He/She/They/It would not create something greater than He is and if nothing is greater, then all I needed in order to survive was to become one with the creator whomever that was....that night I prayed to a God I didn't know, that if I was right, would He/She/It become so much a part of me that it was impossible to tell where He began and I ended.  From that point on, God started teaching me about Him and my need to reconcile with Him (I didn't even know there was such a thing as sin at the time) etc.

Some years later I was sewing when my sister came in and laid on my back.  I asked her to move and she refused.   I told her to move and she refused.  I took hold of her arms and set her off me.  She went running to my father crying that I scratched her and showed him an old wound that was healing.  My father went nuts and took his belt and beat me for scratching my sister (which I did not do).  But you see, that day, the belt never touched me.  There was no sting from it's contact nor welts from it hitting me.  That day, Christ literally stood between me and the belt that was directed at me.  It was then that I took time to look back and though my situation hadn't changed, God was working in my life and took a kid that shouldn't have made it and caused her to thrive. 

So...all that to say, that you are right, a lot of it is about our experiences.  My experience tells me that
Jeremiah 29:13
King James Version
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
is true and the details He will work out so just trust Him
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on October 18, 2020, 07:57:27 pm
Today in an online church discussion group, humility came up.  It reminded me of another lesser-known of the discourses Jesus gave.  In scholarly settings, this is sometimes listed as a discourse and sometimes as "just a parable."  I think considering in anything less than a discourse and teaching lecture that has a parable as part of it is an injustice to Jesus' teaching.   So take the time to read through Luke 14.  All of this chapter equals the discourse.   Comments and discussion afterwards is gladly accepted and sought.

KJV Bible Verses from the Book of Luke

Chapter 14

14:1 And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him.

14:2 And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy.

14:3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?

14:4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go;

14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

14:6 And they could not answer him again to these things.

14:7 And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.

14:8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;

14:9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.

14:10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

14:11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.

14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:

14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

14:16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:

14:17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

14:18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

14:19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

14:20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

14:22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.

14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

14:24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.

14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

14:34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?

14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on October 20, 2020, 12:04:04 am
Okay, I am going out on a limb and hope it starts a conversation and not a conflict.   I have heard and read about salvation. There is salvation through Grace alone, there is Salvation through Faith alone and there is Salvation through both Faith and Grace.   All of the reformers appear, to the best research I can do, to base their salvation theory’s on Augustine's writings on Paul or from Paul’s writings alone.

I struggle with this.  You see, I have no idea what God will ultimately do.  I am not one to assume based on 2000 years old inspired writings nor presume they still apply as originally intended since they were not intended for humanity to become what it has.  That is my internal battle.   

As I see it, no one, absolutely no one can speak for or to what God will do with or to us as our spirit/soul passes on.   We have all made assumptions on the importance of Grace and Faith.  We even make assumptions and arguments on what each of those means.  So in deep reflection and prayer, I came to the only answer I can come to and works for me and how I understand all of this.
 
Live your life in such a way that you leave no doubt to God your holiness, grace, and faith is/was according to his word.   That way you remove worry about how others interpret and the argument over salvation because of grace and/or faith.    I have always believed life is to be lived for God’s glory, not for someone else’s determination of what God’s glory and love is.  You know inside if you are doing this.  So do it: Live your life for God.
Excellent. As I read this I was following and my mind went back to 2nd grade at St. George. I used to argue for once saved always saved but that defies common sense actually. I now believe salvation is a process and enduring with obedience is key. Keeping the faith and not being shaken from the glorious gospel of Christ.

So, one might say well it is a lifelong process. . . .  But what of those whose lives are cut short? I agree with you that we can't say definitively what God will do with each and every person/soul on an individual basis. I believe God must examine each of us as He does throughout our lives, and that each person's Judgement is unique and detailed. The Holy Bible is a book of details, after all.

God can easily place us all one by one at the Judgement Seat Of Christ and in an instant He knows every detail of ever thought and action and motivation, every idle thought and hurtful word and every good thing as well. I realized this at the age of seven and I had a question for the priests and nuns.

I concluded that every person is different and must be judged according to their own thoughts, words and actions because I knew that God knows all things back then. At that young age I decided that there must be counter that God uses so naturally I wanted to know exactly how many sins gets you to hell !!!

I thought well, I just need to stay under that ultimate number of sins that sends a person to hell.  ;D :D Kids, I tell ya. I was on to something though.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on October 20, 2020, 03:22:43 pm
Generally, on Tuesday or Wednesday mornings, I try to go walk the Labyrinth at a local church.  It is in a beautiful, treed setting so quiet and peaceful.  So easy to get into my own head.   I was thinking about commonalities that various things inside the different denominations have and I wondered, with so much in common why do we have such large spaces between each other in accepting beliefs.  Of course, this led my mind down the rabbit hole.   It occurred to me; Jesus was a reformer.  His original intent was to reform the Church of his people.  To take it back in some areas close to Moses and David and progressive in other areas.  Jesus did not intend to start a whole new religion.  The same can be said for Luther.  He did not intend to break away from the Catholics.  No, he wanted them to return to the roots of the belief in Christ and God and away from the Papacy.  He did not have an actual issue with the existence of the Papacy, but at that time in history, the Bishop of Rome was more powerful on Earth than Christ or God.  He felt that was wrong.  Calvin did not intend for a breakaway religion from Luther’s breakaway, but he saw issues in the dogma and doctrine that had drifted from what Lutheran had intended.  There is a reoccurring process here. 
Based on what I am seeing we are at an epoch again where someone will come forward and led us into a new direction in Christianity.  The problem I have is that it is going to be two people or groups and in two different directions.  This is dangerous for Christianity’s survival.  I hope and pray I am wrong.

Just a humble opinion and observation
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on October 28, 2020, 08:52:59 pm
How many know who Philo is and why he matters in biblical studies?

I am just courious. 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on October 28, 2020, 09:42:47 pm
How many know who Philo is and why he matters in biblical studies?

I am just courious.

I have read some of His works.

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on October 29, 2020, 12:11:32 am
Good to know I did not want to post something that sounded like just babbling.

Let me start with the question of what two new testament books were written for the purpose of counter Philo's writing and influence on the progress of Christianity?
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on November 01, 2020, 09:39:42 pm
The two books in the New Testament specifically written to counter the writings and beliefs of Philo are Hebrews and  Colossians.  Those in the early movement of Christianity were so bothered by his writings and his attempt to bringGreek and Latin influences into the teachings of Jesus they felt compelled to write a complete book of response to his philosophy.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on November 02, 2020, 07:21:35 pm
The two books in the New Testament specifically written to counter the writings and beliefs of Philo are Hebrews and  Colossians.  Those in the early movement of Christianity were so bothered by his writings and his attempt to bringGreek and Latin influences into the teachings of Jesus they felt compelled to write a complete book of response to his philosophy.

Philo, it seems to have had a lot to say about everything especially the Bible.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on November 02, 2020, 11:25:21 pm
What I found amusing is how hard those that were instrumental in the foundation of the Christian faith strove to minimize and remove the influence of Greek philosophers.  Then allowed them to be blended in through the writings of Augustine and Aquinas.   One of the very ones both Philo and Josephus pushed and quoted, Aristotle, are foundational in the writings of the other. 

Amazing how a thousand years (40 CE for Philo's death to 430ish CE for Augustine or 1270ish for Aquinas) can change viewpoints on this point.   

If I tried to write a theology opus that blended Spurgeon, Wesley, and Erasmus I would be shouted out from every corner of the globe.   The times how they have changed.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on November 17, 2020, 12:16:37 pm
Today’s Gospel is a story of the instantaneous conversion of the tax-collector, Zacchaeus. (Luke 19:1-10)  As the chief tax-collector in Jericho, Zacchaeus was probably a man of much wealth and few friends. Since he worked for the Romans and extracted more tax money than required by the law, he was probably hated by the Jews who considered all tax-collectors as public sinners. 
The account describes how Jesus recognized Zacchaeus for exactly who he was – a lost sinner in need of a Savior.  Jesus’ response lets us see how God’s grace worked in Zacchaeus to lead him from idle curiosity to repentance, conversion, and the making of restitution. 
The story emphasizes the fact that such a conversion can only result from a person’s fully receiving the love, acceptance, and grace of a merciful Lord.  It also demonstrates the fact that nobody is beyond the possibility of conversion.
We need to accept the Divine invitation to repentance.  We are all sinners to a greater or lesser degree.  Jesus is inviting each one of us to total conversion today by means of this Gospel lesson.  Let us remember that Jesus loves us, in spite of our ugly thoughts, broken promises, and sullied ideals, our lack of prayer, and of Faith, our resentments, and our lusts.  So, let us confess to Him all our weaknesses and sins, repenting, and ask Him trustfully for his Mercy.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on November 21, 2020, 05:03:58 pm
Borrowed this from church wife goes to.   I liked it so sharing.

Today’s feast celebrates an important truth about Mary: From the beginning of her life, she was dedicated to God, given over to God’s purposes. Because of her dedication to God from an early age, she was called by God to become a greater temple than the magnificent temple in Jerusalem.
If the temple in Jerusalem was the house of God, the place where God was believed to be present in a special way, Mary became the house of the Lord in an even greater way, because she carried the Lord in her womb until she give birth to him. God came to dwell in her, through Jesus, because she was open to God’s presence from the earliest years of her life.
 She is the prime example of the group that Jesus refers to in today’s gospel as those “who do the will of my Father in heaven.” Today’s feast celebrates the fact that from her childhood Mary did the will of God, and was therefore ready to become the temple of God’s Son at the time of God’s choosing.
We too are called to do the will of the Father in heaven so that we too can become temples of the Lord, people who carry Lord’s presence to others. Writing to the church in Corinth, Paul says, “Do you not know that you are God’s temple?” We ask Mary to pray for us now so that we may always do the will of the Father and so become temples of God as she was.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on November 21, 2020, 05:11:48 pm
Borrowed this from church wife goes to.   I liked it so sharing.

Today’s feast celebrates an important truth about Mary: From the beginning of her life, she was dedicated to God, given over to God’s purposes. Because of her dedication to God from an early age, she was called by God to become a greater temple than the magnificent temple in Jerusalem.
If the temple in Jerusalem was the house of God, the place where God was believed to be present in a special way, Mary became the house of the Lord in an even greater way, because she carried the Lord in her womb until she give birth to him. God came to dwell in her, through Jesus, because she was open to God’s presence from the earliest years of her life.
 She is the prime example of the group that Jesus refers to in today’s gospel as those “who do the will of my Father in heaven.” Today’s feast celebrates the fact that from her childhood Mary did the will of God, and was therefore ready to become the temple of God’s Son at the time of God’s choosing.
We too are called to do the will of the Father in heaven so that we too can become temples of the Lord, people who carry Lord’s presence to others. Writing to the church in Corinth, Paul says, “Do you not know that you are God’s temple?” We ask Mary to pray for us now so that we may always do the will of the Father and so become temples of God as she was.

while I agree with you on most all of it, this statement you made:"We ask Mary to pray for us now so that we may always do the will of the Father and so become temples of God as she was."

goes too far and is not biblical. Praying to Mary is praying to another other than GOD.........not a good thing to do.......It is one of the things that will condemn most of those in the RCC theology.

Blade

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on November 21, 2020, 05:15:48 pm
Oh, I don't agree with that part either, but  I copied it in its entirety since it wasn't mine.  I have heartburn with Saint worship.  While I find there is value in saints, it is not as persons to pray to are put ahead of God.  For me, it is just fine for them to be examples of the way other have lived a life for God.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on November 28, 2020, 10:45:56 pm
Hasn't there been more than 2,000 years of silence from God now?
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on November 29, 2020, 12:00:10 am
Well since the last book of the Bible was written till now could be considered the great silence.  By my calculation that is 1924 years.

So yeah you are absolutely right
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on November 29, 2020, 12:24:46 am
Food for thought.  If God did not forgive sinners, heaven would be a very empty lonely place.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on November 29, 2020, 05:34:01 pm
Food for thought.  If God did not forgive sinners, heaven would be a very empty lonely place.
I agree
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on November 29, 2020, 05:42:09 pm
Hasn't there been more than 2,000 years of silence from God now?
Yes, but!...the four hundred years of silence was between two time where GOD/Jesus was active. One can look at the Bible as a History Book and this 400 years of history was thought to be left out. It was not...

From the time of Jesus' ascension tlll now there has been plenty of writers who recorded every bit of history as it unfolded.  Also, this silent years are open ended yet, even a overall history of the Gentiles and the Jewish people is also written in the Bible.

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on November 29, 2020, 08:36:26 pm
I think a lot of how you look at what is called the years of silence has to do with the individual's viewpoint of what activity means coming from God and Jesus.   While we continue to see their daily miracles big and small and the grace they give and the lessons they provide, I am thinking, and this is just me, that the THeologians and Religions Scholars are meaning a more direct involvement.   

If you are using that viewpoint, then it is easy to see how come they call it silent.   However, if you look at all of the various books of the bibles and the apocrhypha you can easily see they were not silent, just that the compilers of the books making up the bible do not feel that there were inspired works being shared by God during that time, therefore, it is silent.

Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on November 30, 2020, 07:08:25 pm
I think a lot of how you look at what is called the years of silence has to do with the individual's viewpoint of what activity means coming from God and Jesus.   While we continue to see their daily miracles big and small and the grace they give and the lessons they provide, I am thinking, and this is just me, that the THeologians and Religions Scholars are meaning a more direct involvement.   

If you are using that viewpoint, then it is easy to see how come they call it silent.   However, if you look at all of the various books of the bibles and the apocrhypha you can easily see they were not silent, just that the compilers of the books making up the bible do not feel that there were inspired works being shared by God during that time, therefore, it is silent.

Just my thoughts.

the silent years I was speaking of is from the OT to the NT. The time in question is the time from Alexander's death until the writing of the NT (except Rev). with brings us another 63-64 years after 1 AD. Thus the 400 silent years is given in Daniel's chapter 11:5-35...

There was so much that happened during this 400 years and yet nothing in the bible except for Daniel 11 is said.

This is what I was speaking of...Mark, apologize I did not specify in the first post.

Blade

Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on November 30, 2020, 07:16:24 pm
I poorly worded my response Blade.  I was trying to explain why I thought they called them silent years even so much was going on.  I was pretty sure I understood what you meant, but the clarification confirmed it. 
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on December 01, 2020, 08:43:39 am
I poorly worded my response Blade.  I was trying to explain why I thought they called them silent years even so much was going on.  I was pretty sure I understood what you meant, but the clarification confirmed it.

thanks

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on December 10, 2020, 12:20:12 pm
THE NARCISSISM OF SMALL DIFFERENCES

This terminology was coined by Sigmund Freud.  He based on one of Ernst Crawley’s early works.  It has since found its way into philosophy, political science, and religious studies to explain specific types of behaviors.   What is this and how does it apply to religion you ask?


Let first look at how this is defined.  It is easiest to define it as the in-fighting between like-minded groups that share similar ideas in order to distinguish themselves.   It was originally proposed as a way to show the difference in individuals, egos, one’s personal goals, and feelings.   It has been applied over time from the individual to groups, organizations, and even beliefs.  This is oversimplified, but it will work for this brief writing.

In the last year, I have experienced and seen this concept of behavior act itself out.  I have always searched for a way to explain it.  Recently a professor from a religious studies program and I were discussing the modern Christian movement and the traditional church.  He brought up this to explain what is causing the friction.

He gave this example: I and him agree on everything in our beliefs except one small but salient point.  Salient to each of us as we disagree on it. Now we are passionate about this small difference.  We both take a stand.  Our ego and our feelings are on the line in our minds.  We both passionately believe we are right and the other is wrong.  At first, it is a gentle ribbing.  But, our egos keep getting offended so it escalates, maybe too polite insults.   It just keeps going from there to the point of heated hatred.   We still agree on everything but that one small point.  We just chose to dig in on that point and was willing to let it rule over everything else, including common sense and willingness to agree to disagree on something small, minor, and not of any consequence compared to all that we agree on.

Now take this to a larger scale, a church or politics.  I am going to use church because politics are way too sensitive at this writing to even use as an example.    Now imagine a church that has a sister church. They both agree on everything in their dogma and rituals.  Then one day a new pastor takes over and one little thing he starts doing differently.  Nothing major.  It does not change anything in the dogma or rituals, but it is different.  Very minor.   The Church members like the change so they share the news or the change.   The other church is offended.   At first, it is quiet mutterings. Then the Pastor starts to bring it up as how their church is now in a better position as they did not make changes.   This escalates and now you have two hostile churches.

This is how reformations happen, how new denominations happen, and how religious wars have started.

Next time you find yourself focused on something minor and fixated on making it a point to argue over, think about this simple but dangerous contextual thinking pattern.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on December 15, 2020, 07:26:27 am
In today’s Gospel, Jesus speaks with the authority figures of the Jewish faith, He asks them to tell him which of two children is truly obedient to the wishes of their parent.  When the parent asks the two “kids” to perform a certain task, the first refuses, but latter does what is asked.  The second one, in contrast, say yes he will do it but does not do what is being asked.  Jesus compares the religious leaders to the second son who says “yes” but fails to do what is requested.  The repentant, public sinners are compared to the first child who initially refuses to do the parent’s demands, but later fulfills what is asked. 

As we draw to the end of this first part of the Advent season, we are called to reflect on our response to doing God’s will.  It is easy to say “yes” to God, but it is harder to actually do what God asks of us.  On the other side of the coin, there is hope for us who have sinned and had said “no” to the Lord God.  We can still change our ways and begin to more fully respond to God by doing what we know is being asked of us.
 
We need to lead a responsible Christian life, saying “yes” to God. We should become men and women who profess our Faith in word and deed, knowing that, the Christian way lies in performance, not just promise, and the mark of a Christian is obedience, graciously and courteously given.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on December 15, 2020, 08:02:47 am
Excellent posts Mark.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on December 24, 2020, 04:23:56 pm
As Mary and Joseph gaze on their child lying in the manger.  They are filled with wonder at the beauty of this new creation.  But they are not just filled with wonder.  They are also filled with awe.  Mary knows that the child came from God, from the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit. 

God has worked His wonders in her.  Joseph knows that this is the child of his dream, the child that the angel told him would come. So Mary and Joseph gazed at their child, overwhelmed that this child was the Son of the Most High.  They gazed at Him with wonder, with reverence, with veneration, with awe.

Then the shepherds came.  They had heard about this child.  They came not just to see a baby, but to witness the fulfillment of the angel’s message. For today in the city of David, a savior has been born for you who is Christ and Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find an infant wrapped in swaddling clothes and lying in a manger.

Jesus was born, and everything changed.  Mankind was no longer be in the grips of evil.  The devil would be defeated through the sacrificial love of the one born in Bethlehem.  Pride would be defeated with humility, disobedience with obedience, and hatred with love.

Just as Mary and Joseph look at their infant and know that their lives have to change, and just as the shepherds looked at the infant in the manger knowing that somehow through this child the world was changing, so we look at the baby in the manger and agree, “Everything must change.  We are Christians.  We must walk in the Presence of the Lord.

 Everything must change in our lives.  We need to be the people who value the spiritual over the material.  We need to join the Lord in creating a new culture, one where the work of the Kingdom takes precedence over the work of the world.  We need to be kind.  We need to be loving.  We need to be Christian.
Mother Teresa, St. Teresa of Calcutta, summed this up in a beautiful prayer she would say every day:

            Dear Jesus, help me to spread your fragrance everywhere I go.  Flood my soul with your Spirit and love.  Penetrate and possess my whole being so utterly that all my life may only be a radiance of your life.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on December 24, 2020, 06:50:34 pm
As Mary and Joseph gaze on their child lying in the manger.  They are filled with wonder at the beauty of this new creation.  But they are not just filled with wonder.  They are also filled with awe.  Mary knows that the child came from God, from the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit. 

God has worked His wonders in her.  Joseph knows that this is the child of his dream, the child that the angel told him would come. So Mary and Joseph gazed at their child, overwhelmed that this child was the Son of the Most High.  They gazed at Him with wonder, with reverence, with veneration, with awe.

Then the shepherds came.  They had heard about this child.  They came not just to see a baby, but to witness the fulfillment of the angel’s message. For today in the city of David, a savior has been born for you who is Christ and Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find an infant wrapped in swaddling clothes and lying in a manger.

Jesus was born, and everything changed.  Mankind was no longer be in the grips of evil.  The devil would be defeated through the sacrificial love of the one born in Bethlehem.  Pride would be defeated with humility, disobedience with obedience, and hatred with love.

Just as Mary and Joseph look at their infant and know that their lives have to change, and just as the shepherds looked at the infant in the manger knowing that somehow through this child the world was changing, so we look at the baby in the manger and agree, “Everything must change.  We are Christians.  We must walk in the Presence of the Lord.

 Everything must change in our lives.  We need to be the people who value the spiritual over the material.  We need to join the Lord in creating a new culture, one where the work of the Kingdom takes precedence over the work of the world.  We need to be kind.  We need to be loving.  We need to be Christian.
Mother Teresa, St. Teresa of Calcutta, summed this up in a beautiful prayer she would say every day:

            Dear Jesus, help me to spread your fragrance everywhere I go.  Flood my soul with your Spirit and love.  Penetrate and possess my whole being so utterly that all my life may only be a radiance of your life.

thank you Mark

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on January 03, 2021, 12:08:19 am
Borrowed this as I thought it was a good read and educational.  It is rather long for a post here.  Oh yeah, it is about the background-origin of the Bible.

HOW DID THE BIBLE COME IN EXISTENCE?
Clive Fernandes
In the one-hundred-year period extending roughly from AD 50 to 150, a number of documents began to circulate among the churches, including epistles, gospels, memoirs, apocalypses, homilies, and collections of teachings. While some of these documents were apostolic in origin, others drew upon the tradition the apostles and ministers of the word had utilized in their individual missions.
For more than 300 years of Christianity, there was no definitive compilation yet into a single book of these ancient documents like what is known to the world at present. From the beginning it was expected that certain of these documents would be read in the public gatherings of the church, though there were disputes and questions over the authenticity of certain documents like the Letter to the Hebrews, Letter of James, Second Letter of Peter, Second and Third Letters of John, Letter of Jude and the Revelation, known as the Antilegomena. At that time, these materials were accepted by some local churches and others did not. However, because of the increase in the amount of documents being circulated (whether authentic or not), the Church found it necessary to discern and choose which of these materials are inspired by the Holy Spirit. How was it done? Below is the timeline of the compilation of the Holy Bible:
ca. 285-132 BC: The translation of the Old Testament books from Hebrew to Greek known as Septuagint (LXX) by the 70 Jewish scholars for the Jews in Diaspora in Alexandria. This is the Old Testament version used by the apostles and early Christians.
50-150 AD: The writing of the New Testament books and the circulation of other apocryphal documents.
96 AD: Some letters of Paul were known to Clement I, bishop of Rome, together with some form of the "words of Jesus"; but while Clement valued these highly, he did not regard them as "Scripture" ("graphe"), a term he reserved for the Septuagint.
100 AD: The hypothetical Council of Jamnia, held in Yavneh, was a Jewish council at which the canon of the Hebrew Bible had been finalized. It was proposed to have excluded the seven books of the Old Testament which are part of its Greek version, the Septuagint. These books are regarded by the Church as inspired and are known as the deuterocanonical.
130-140 AD: Marcion of Sinope, a bishop of Asia Minor who went to Rome and was later excommunicated for his views, was the first of record to propose a definitive, exclusive, unique canon of Christian scriptures. He taught that there were two Gods: Yahweh, the cruel God of the Old Testament, and Abba, the kind father of the New Testament. Marcion eliminated the Old Testament as scriptures and, since he was anti-Semitic, kept from the New Testament only 10 letters of Paul and 2/3 of Luke's gospel (he deleted references to Jesus' Jewishness). His gospel is called the Gospel of the Lord.
145-163 AD: Justin Martyr, an early Christian apologist, mentioned the "memoirs of the apostles", which Christians called "gospels" and which were regarded as on par with the Old Testament. In his works, distinct references are found to Romans, 1 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Colossians, and 2 Thessalonians, and possible ones to Philippians, Titus, and 1 Timothy.
160 AD: Tatian the Assyrian, an early Christian theologian, composed a single harmonized "Gospel" by weaving the contents of the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John together along with events present in none of these texts. The narrative mainly follows the chronology of John. This is called the Diatessaron ["(Harmony) Through Four"] and it became the official Gospel text of the Syriac church, centered in Edessa. He rejected Paul's Letters and Acts of the Apostles
185 AD: Irenaeus, bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, in his Adversus Haereses, denounced various early Christian groups that used only one gospel, such as Marcionism which used only Marcion's version of Luke, or the Ebionites which seem to have used an Aramaic version of Matthew, as well as groups that used more than four gospels, such as the Valentinians (A.H. 1.11). Irenaeus declared that there can't be either more or fewer than four, presenting as logic the analogy of the four corners of the earth and the four winds (3.11.8).
ca. 200 AD: Origen Adamantius, early Christian theologian, accepted 22 canonical books of the Hebrews plus Maccabees plus the four Gospels but Paul "did not so much as write to all the churches that he taught; and even to those to which he wrote he sent but a few lines."
ca. 200 AD: The periphery of the canon was not yet determined as of this time. According to one list, the Muratorian Canon (named after Fr. Ludovico Antonio Muratori who discovered it at the Ambrosian Library in Milan in the 18th century), which was compiled at Rome, the New Testament was comprised of the 4 gospels; Acts; 13 letters of Paul (Hebrews is not included); 3 of the 7 General Epistles (1-2 John and Jude); and also the Apocalypse of Peter. Each "city-church" (region) still has its own Canon, which is a list of books approved for reading at Mass (Liturgy).
ca. 215 AD: Titus Flavius Clemens (Clement of Alexandria), an early Christian theologian, made use of an open canon. In addition to books that did not make it into the final 27-book New Testament but which had local canonicity (Barnabas, Didache, I Clement, Revelation of Peter, the Shepherd, the Gospel according to the Hebrews), he also used the Gospel of the Egyptians, Preaching of Peter, Traditions of Matthias, Sibylline Oracles, and the Oral Gospel. He did, however, prefer the four church gospels to all others, although he supplemented them freely with apocryphal gospels. He was the first to treat non-Pauline letters of the apostles (other than II Peter) as scripture-he accepted I Peter, I and II John, and Jude as scripture.
ca. 300 AD: The Alogi, an early Christian group, rejected the Gospel of John (and possibly also Revelation and the Epistles of John) as either not apostolic or as written by the Gnostic Cerinthus or as not compatible with the Synoptic Gospels.
300 A.D. The Old Syriac was a translation of the New Testament documents from the Greek into Syriac. In the Coptic Versions, Coptic was spoken in four dialects in Egypt and the materials were translated into each of these four dialects.
ca. 303 AD: The making of what is currently known Codex Claromontanus canon (named after the town of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis in France from where it was procured by the Calvinist scholar Theodore Bezza in the late 16th century), a page found inserted into a copy of the Epistles of Paul and Hebrews, has the Old Testament, plus Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, 1–2,4 Maccabees, and the New Testament, plus 3rd Corinthians, Acts of Paul, Apocalypse of Peter, Barnabas, and Hermas, but missing Philippians, 1–2 Thessalonians, and Hebrews.
330 AD: Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea, recorded his own New Testament canon which includes the holy quaternion of the Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, the epistles of Paul, the epistle of John, the epistle of Peter, the Apocalypse of John, the epistle of James and that of Jude, also the second epistle of Peter, and the second and third epistles of John.
331 AD: Roman Emperor Constantine I commissioned Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea, to deliver fifty compiled Scriptures for the Church of Constantinople. Athanasius (Apostolic Constitution 4) recorded Alexandrian scribes around 340 AD preparing the Canon for Constans. Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus are among of these ancient compilations together with the Peshitta and Codex Alexandrinus.
350 AD: Cyril, bishop of Jerusalem, included in his Catechetical Lectures (4.36) the Gospels (4), Acts, James, 1-2 Peter, 1-3 John, Jude, and Paul's epistles (14), but listed the Gospel of Thomas as pseudepigrapha.
360 AD: The making of the so-called Cheltenham/Mommsen Canon (named after German classical scholar Theodor Mommsen who discovered it in 1886 from a 10th-century manuscript belonging to the library of Thomas Phillips at Cheltenham, England), which contains the 24-book Old Testament and 24-book New Testament that provides syllable and line counts but omits Hebrews, Jude and James, and questions the epistles of John and Peter.
363 AD: The Synod of Laodicea was one of the first synods that set out to judge which books were to be read aloud in churches. It canonized 22-book Old Testament and 26-book New Testament (excludes Revelation).
367 AD: In his Festal letter, Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria, gave a list of exactly the same books as what would become the 27-book New Testament canon, and he used the word "canonized" (kanonizomena) in regards to them. He also listed a 22-book Old Testament and 7 books not in the canon but to be read: Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobit, Didache, and the Shepherd of Hermas.
374-377 AD: Epiphanius, bishop of Salamis, listed the following canon in his Panarion 76.5: Gospels (4), Paul's epistles (13), Acts, James, Peter, 1-3 John, Jude, Revelation, Wisdom, Sirach.
380 AD: The redactor of the Apostolic Constitutions attributed a canon to the Twelve Apostles themselves as the 85th of his list of such apostolic decrees: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John; the fourteen Epistles of Paul; two Epistles of Peter; three of John; one of James; one of Jude; two Epistles of Clement; and the Acts of the Apostles.
382 AD: The Synod of Rome (presided by Pope Damasus) started the ball rolling for the definition of a universal canon for all city-churches. It listed the New Testament books in their present number and order.
ca. 382 AD: Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus (Jerome), a Roman presbyter, was commissioned by Damasus I, bishop of Rome, to revise the Vetus Latina ("Old Latin") collection of Biblical texts in Latin then in use by the Church. Once published, it was widely adopted and eventually eclipsed the Vetus Latina and, by the 13th century, was known as the "versio vulgata" (the "version commonly-used") or, more simply, in Latin as vulgata or in Greek as ß?????ta ("Vulgate").
385 AD: Gregory of Nazianzus, bishop of Constantinople, produced a canon in verse which agreed with that of his contemporary Athanasius, other than placing the "Catholic Epistles" after the Pauline Epistles and omitting Revelation. This list was ratified by the Synod of Trullo of 692 AD.
inter 386-388 AD: John Chrysostom, bishop of Constantinople, was the first (in his Homilies on Matthew) to use the Greek phrase "ta biblia" (the books) to describe both the Old and New Testaments together.
393 AD: The Synod of Hippo Regius in North Africa accepted the present canon of the New Testament.
394 AD: Amphilochius, bishop of Iconium, in his poem Iambics for Seleucus, nephew of St. Olympias, discussed debate over the canonical inclusion of a number of books, and almost certainly rejects the later Epistles of Peter and John, Jude, and Revelation.
397 AD: The third Synod of Carthage, which refined the canon for the Western Church, sent it to Innocent I, bishop of Rome, for ratification. Its list is similar to the present canon of scriptures. In the East, the canonical process was hampered by a number of schisms.
ca 405 AD: Innocent I, bishop of Rome, in ratification of the canon defined by the Synod of Carthage, sent the list of the sacred books to Exsuperius, Gallic bishop of Toulouse, which was identical with that of the Ecumenical Council of Trent.
419 AD: The fourth Synod of Carthage reaffirmed the canon defined by the previous synod in its present number and order (similar to the Ecumenical Council of Trent).
551-62 AD: Flavius Magnus Aurelius Cassiodorus Senator, Roman statesman and writer, in his Institutiones Divinarum et Saecularium Litterarum, omitted 2 Peter, 2-3 John, Jude and Hebrews.
787 AD: The Second Ecumenical Council of Nicaea, which adopted the canon of Carthage. At this point, both the Latin West and the Greek / Byzantine East had the same canon. However, the non-Greek, Monophysite and Nestorian Churches of the East (the Copts, the Ethiopians, the Syrians, the Armenians, the Syro-Malankars, the Chaldeans, and the Malabars) were still left out. But these Churches came together in agreement, in 1442A.D., in Florence.
1199 AD: Innocent III, bishop of Rome, banned unauthorized versions of the Bible as a reaction to the Cathar and Waldensian heresies. The synods of Toulouse and Tarragona (in 1234 AD) outlawed possession of such renderings. But there is evidence of some vernacular translations still being permitted while others were being scrutinized.
ca. 1245 AD: Stephen Langton, archbishop of Canterbury, and Hugo Cardinal de Sancto-Caro, dominican titular bishop of Santa Sabina, developed different schemas for systematic division of the Bible. It was the system of Archbishop Langton on which the modern chapter divisions are based.
1380 AD: The first English translation of the Bible was by John Wycliffe, the founder of the anti-Catholic group named Lollardy. He translated the Bible into English from the Latin Vulgate. This was a translation from a translation and not a translation from the original Hebrew and Greek. Wycliffe was forced to translate from the Latin Vulgate because he did not know Hebrew or Greek.
1442 AD: AD : At the Ecumenical Council of Florence, the entire Church recognized the 27 books. This council confirmed the Roman Catholic Canon of the Bible which Damasus I, bishop of Rome, had published a thousand years earlier. So, by 1439 AD, all orthodox branches of the Church were legally bound to the same canon. This is 100 years before the Reformation.
1448 AD: The Hebrew Old Testament was divided into verses by a French Jewish philosopher and controversialist by the name of Isaac Nathan ben Kalonymus (Mordacai Nathan).
1456 AD: Johannes Gensfleisch zur Laden zum Gutenberg, a German publisher and inventor of a movable type printing, produced the first printed Bible in Latin. Printing revolutionized the way books were made. From now on books could be published in great numbers and at a lower cost.
ca. 1500 AD: The first person to divide New Testament chapters into verses was an Italian Dominican biblical scholar Santi Pagnini, but his system was never widely adopted.
1514 AD: The Greek New Testament was printed for the first time by Erasmus. He based his Greek New Testament from only five Greek manuscripts, the oldest of which dated only as far back as the twelfth century. With minor revisions, Erasmus' Greek New Testament came to be known as the Textus Receptus or the "received texts."
1522 AD: Polyglot Bible, in which group of editors was led by Diego López de Zúñiga and funded by Jiménez Cardinal de Cisneros, was published. The Old Testament was in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin and the New Testament in Latin and Greek. Erasmus used the Polyglot to revise later editions of his New Testament. Tyndale made use of the Polyglot in his translation on the Old Testament into English which he did not complete because he died in 1534 AD.
1536 AD: In his translation of the Bible from Greek into German, Martin Luther, a former Catholic monk and priest who became the primary figure of the Protestant Reformation, removed four New Testament books (Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation) and placed them in an appendix treating them as less than canonical as well as the seven Old Testament books (Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom, Sirach, and Baruch plus the additional texts in Esther and Daniel) labelling them as apocryphal.
1546 AD: At the Ecumenical Council of Trent, the Catholic Church reaffirmed once and for all the full list of 27 books. The council also confirmed the inclusion of the Deuterocanonical books which had been a part of the Bible canon since the early Church and was confirmed at the councils of 393 AD, 373 AD, 787 AD and 1442 AD. At Trent, the Church of Rome actually dogmatized the canon, making it more than a matter of canon law, which had been the case up to that point, closing it for good.
1551 AD: Robert Estienne, a French printer and classical scholar, created an alternate numbering in his edition of the Greek New Testament which was also used in his 1553 publication of the Bible in French. Estienne's system of division was widely adopted, and it is this system which is found in almost all modern Bibles.
1566 AD: Sixtus of Siena, a dominican theologian, coined the term "deuterocanonical" to describe the seven Old Testament books that had not been accepted as canonical by the Protestants but which appeared in the Septuagint; and defined for the Roman Catholics of the terms "protocanonical" and the ancient term "apocryphal" in his work Bibliotheca Sancta ex Præcipuis Catholicæ Ecclesiæ Auctoribus Collecta (Venice 1566).
16th century to present AD: The HOLY BIBLE composed of 73 canonical books (46 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament) based on the infallible decree of the holy Catholic Church. Thus, the great Tridentine Council declared: "But if any one receive not, as sacred and canonical, the said books entire with all their parts, as they have been used to be read in the Catholic Church, and as they are contained in the old Latin vulgate edition; and knowingly and deliberately contemn the traditions aforesaid; let him be anathema."
The timeline of the development of the biblical canon is the living proof that the holy Bible was not handed down by Christ to His apostles as it is. The Bible did not even come down from the heavens as what it looks like at present. The truth is:
IT WAS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WHO CHOSE WHICH BOOKS ARE INSPIRED AND COMPILED THEM INTO A SINGLE BOOK WHICH SHE CALLED THE BIBLE. THUS, IT IS THE BIBLE WHICH CAME FROM THE CHURCH AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
However, despite this historical fact, the holy Church did not claim authorship on those divine scriptures. For her, "God is the author of Sacred Scripture" (CCC 105). And, she added: "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more" (CCC 106).
Remember, "the Christian faith is not a religion of the book but of the Word of God, a word which is not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living" (cf. CCC 108).
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Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on January 04, 2021, 01:46:00 am
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January 03, 2021, 09:18:16 pm Chaplain Mark Schmidt says:
I think it is time we all reset our mindset from We are entitled and we have rights to the We have obligations and we have responsibilities.   Once we do that those things we that we were entitled to or had rights to will be given to us by the Lord and no longer taken by man.

Hello Mark, let's talk about your chat comment. I agree for the most part, spiritually yes. As I type, Communism is already here and has been. Mark my words, and God willing that we should live long enough, we will see - The United States Of America will gradually become a socialist/communist government and therefore, nation.

The Covid virus is the opportunity for the global reset that has been planned for decades. The families and hereditary lines of peoples have controlled this fallen world since creation and they plan centuries ahead, decades ahead, generational plans that are continued while holding power and control over the mass population. Especially the Money Changers. Look at history Mark.

There is much more to discuss, but this will give you an idea of the conversations I'd like to have. I can show you that what I say is true, just read my Conspiracy threads and watch, listen and learn. The America we knew all of our lives is gone brother, especially with this blatant and wanton, obvious election fraud. There are 133 million registered voters in the US and Trump got 74 million legitimate votes and probably a few million more than that because of switched or destroyed ballots ELELECTRONICALLY, which is exactly what Dominion Voting Systems does and it  has been proven and documented.

So, how did Biden get 83 million votes? Doesn't add up in addition to the literally tens of thousands of other DETAILS and verified fraud, through various means. More of the truth will come out over the next decade about what really took place with this 2020 election. I expect you will shocked and dismayed, unless you believe what you see and hear from CNN, MSNBC, CBS, FOX and the main newspapers with nothing but AP stories and NY Times leftism, which is communism/socialism.

I thank God for the America I grew up in and the country that many multiple thousands of American Soldiers fought and died for to prevent in so many other nations around the earth;
Communism.

I know we'd all love to believe that America is doing just fine with this new Administration but reality will tell the tale.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on January 04, 2021, 01:56:27 am
I will digest this, but on the surface, I find myself in partial disagreement and I do not like the alternative being offered any more than the one you say we are headed towards.  Both are despicable.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on January 04, 2021, 02:14:39 am
I will digest this, but on the surface, I find myself in partial disagreement and I do not like the alternative being offered any more than the one you say we are headed towards.  Both are despicable.
Thank you brother, I know I might seem very negative in my outlook but I remain very hopeful. Mark, if you get the time I'd like you to watch/listen to this video, specifically the sermon, and tell me what you think. The pastor is in Canada.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnPgCUhLTJE
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on January 10, 2021, 07:45:31 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6aIP8dGwJI
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Bladerunner on January 11, 2021, 09:52:57 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6aIP8dGwJI

Is Mark gone or ?

Blade
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: patrick jane on January 11, 2021, 10:58:55 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6aIP8dGwJI

Is Mark gone or ?

Blade
No he will be back brother.
Title: Re: Chaplain's Chat
Post by: Chaplain Mark Schmidt on January 21, 2021, 07:13:45 pm
interesting though worth reading in my humble opinion