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August 10, 2018, 05:54:07 pm joechan82 says: I also love fantasy and science fiction. The Hobbit, Fahrenheit 451, Through the looking Glass, Gulliver's Travels.
August 10, 2018, 05:51:34 pm joechan82 says: No joke. No sarcasm. You should start a thread on philosophy. I read Being and Time by Martin Heidegger. I've read J. P. Sarte, and a few others. Some folks like to plumb the depths, so to speak.
August 10, 2018, 04:46:26 pm Sasha says: It’s not abandoning if you need personal space to grow.  Your feet always know the way home.

It also depends on how you sincerely feel about the matter and what your options are.
August 10, 2018, 04:36:50 pm toff says: Is it okay if I abandon my family metaphorically speaking? I no longer wish to interact with them outside of necessity. They degrade me.
August 10, 2018, 04:28:18 pm Sasha says: Those three men ripped apart society in every way possible with their writings, then pondered from within themselves.

John writes in a manner that echoes each of their styles.

It is a worthy endeavor indeed and I applaud your scholarship on the frame the Germans wrote from.
August 10, 2018, 04:23:08 pm toff says: Nietzsche comments upon Kant, Hegel and Schopenhauer all of which requires a dissemination of other German philosophy as well as Hume, Descartes, Christian and Antique philosophia. That is quite an endeavour you speak of but perhaps I will concern myself with it at some point more so than I have up to this point. I am not particularly interested in Russian lit. Could you elaborate why it is relevant?
August 10, 2018, 04:19:18 pm Sasha says: Oops....   first guy got reccomemded twice.
August 10, 2018, 04:18:43 pm Sasha says: Then, I highly recommend nietzsche, nietzsche, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky.

When you read them and then read the book of John in the Bible, it is a rather amazing symmetry of questions and answers.
August 10, 2018, 04:15:45 pm toff says: Yes but I want to be burdened because it separates me from the crowd. That is why my genius is beyond the genius of normalcy.
August 10, 2018, 04:13:57 pm Sasha says: People fear what they don’t understand and label it strange.  This is human nature of a slightly less enlightened nature.

Also, people sometimes fail to see that extravagant expression could be indicative of a desire to be carefully searched out and understood.

Understood, because a burden is within that may be a catalyst for positive change on a large scale, that impacts many.

IMO
August 10, 2018, 04:09:06 pm toff says: Honestly speaking my family dont get me and I dont mean that in some juvenile way. They dont understand why I spend hours with books. They dont understand the endeavour. If they ever read my poesy they wont get it. I am a mystery to them and in their eyes honestly a little strange.
August 10, 2018, 04:05:42 pm Sasha says: Not entirely.  Annabelle Lee is his magnum opus.  It is enough for me.  In that sense, yes.  But, I waded through many works and got to a place where I craved the poetry that came from the soul of all mankind.

I have a terrible knack for driving conversations that direction, without realizing it.

You could say I now fancy everything a living poem, complete with words.  That is from my heart and as sincere as I can express it.
August 10, 2018, 04:02:55 pm toff says: So Poe is a poeT you often return to?
August 10, 2018, 04:00:14 pm Sasha says: A poets words are always helpful, no matter the intent.  That is sincere.
August 10, 2018, 03:59:32 pm Sasha says: I personally, and cannot speak for the collective, would be greatful to have the real you speak here.
August 10, 2018, 03:59:15 pm toff says: How do you mean?
August 10, 2018, 03:58:59 pm Sasha says: No sarcasm.  Relief!
August 10, 2018, 03:55:16 pm toff says: Many. Sensing sarcasm tho. Not that great with that. Would you like me to leave?
August 10, 2018, 03:53:33 pm Sasha says: To gain*
August 10, 2018, 03:53:10 pm Sasha says: Insight*
August 10, 2018, 03:52:59 pm Sasha says: Well played!  How many sites have you rocked the boat on the gain insite into human ignorance and enlightenment?
August 10, 2018, 03:51:23 pm toff says: I am in the process of reading Classics and Lit at Uni. I will pen a collection poesy. I am an all or nothing man. Yes.
August 10, 2018, 03:50:44 pm Sasha says: In the process*

And, I can deeply appreciate your respect for brevity.
August 10, 2018, 03:49:55 pm Sasha says: Aha!  So you are the the process of university study and you are embarking on a life’s work that will be penned or notated musically by yourself?

You are an all or nothing man and you are embarking on your magnum opus?
August 10, 2018, 03:41:58 pm toff says: Okay. My project is not so much one of shining morality as it is one of image, language and the revelation which arises out of it. But to reduce it to something as merely prosaic as say Berkeley's dialogue is a little strange to me. something closer may be the Bhagavad Gita. It is after all a philosophic-theologic treatise in verse told through dialogue. Even that would not suffice tho. If we reduce poesy to something like an assembly manual it loses its force. This is what makes a short poem superior to even a philosophic-theologic genius like Augustine or Aquinas. First comes the force. Any revelation that comes after that is merely secondary. I would even say I am so obsessed with the initial attraction that it consumes me. Philosophic or theologic texts from the PreSocs through to Hegel are only something to be dealt with out of necessity not because they genuinely matter to one. Only short poesy really achieves that and only when it has genuine effect and this initial effect is my life project.
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