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January 22, 2021, 09:17:47 am patrick jane says: Good posts Blade and Mark - I put your comments in the Politics thread titled Social Heart Rot
January 22, 2021, 01:25:52 am says: I love your take and your input Blade and you always provide a well thought out and informative response.  I unfortunately have been a little more passionate and less thoughtful the last couple of months.  Too many issues in the background.   The thing about executive orders is they are only enforceable until the court overturns or congress passes laws to overturn them.  The NCAA is a bunch of **** that are afraid of the lawsuits and change with the fad of the moment.  the Tax-exempt status does need to be revisited but I agree not under these conditions.   I stand with you on my salvation and justification is on solid ground and I believe in the inspired word of God.  I just come from a different angle and believe only God can sit in judgment of sins, not be.  I will be tolerant and I will be as inclusive as possible and still not violate my belief, my faith my salvation, and the Words of God.   Thank you for the good wishes.  Without men of faith as you, we all would be worse off.

I hope you have a good day and a blessed day Blade.
January 22, 2021, 01:11:49 am says: Mark: Wow, expected something but not that...

I expect no police at any church as I expect no church to be harboring (hiding) gays! What the executive order did do was unleash the transgender on the women's sports. It will all but destroy it in every way. Its already in the news today and the 'WOKE' NCAA will remove tournaments in states that prohibit transgenders in women's sports.(i.e. Montana)

Allowing the transgender male to go into the female bathrooms is another problem that is a little closer to home.. will you allow this in your church? will not allow my wife, daughter or granddaughter to go into a restroom that has a transgender in it. Thus, we will have to remove ourselves from a favorite restaurants, church, etc. and become a part of that ever widening division in America.

With these executive orders, the feds 'can' remove the churches C3 status that refuse a same sex marriage....Will your church do that? If it does, I am sure the feds will leave your church alone.... I would not marry a same sex couple...It would indeed be a direct sin against GOD! p.s. funny you should speak of the standing of the church as it was Justice Roberts and the SUPREME Court refusal to hear the Texas Case because they had no standing.

I have already seen many churches chasing down a rabbit hole to help those that are part of the social justice or Woke movements. They simply lose themselves trying to help these people that do not want help, for social justice and the WOKE movement is antithetical to the gospel of Jesus Christ. There is no degree that you can be part of either one of these movements and be true to GOD's WORD and HIS Gospel.

The executive orders also give our (yours and mine) tax dollars to places that abort babies in the womb. Surely you do not condone this as the POPE at least says He doe not agree with the murder of innocent life. Yet, they were signed and another million babies will be dying all in the name of what? women's rights

I could go on as there were 17 orders he signed but the rest do not affect the churches directly. While these seem to be political, they will certainly effect the churches and the parishoners that will not stray away from GOD's word....I and my family are one of those.

Back in 2015 as (White) stated, a switch was turned on and the transgender movement began immediately.   Rom 1:28."And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"  We are under judgement and have been since the late fifies/early sixties.

P.s. I have no hate for people but rather the sins they promote,. and my salvation/justification is in good shape as I protect the WORD of GOD as He Authored it. Those words in Rom 1:28 literally tell us what was to happen  2,000 years ago. today it is a reality.

Again, these signatures did not burn down any churches, but given a little time, they will affect all of us. You and I and others will all be in the same bucket. It will be interesting in how those that think like you do handle it when things get heated with the social justice and "WOKE" movement for they like the bull in the spanish colosseum only see red no matter whether it be a Matador or a citizen within. we already see signs of this in Portland last night!

Have a good day Mark

Blade
January 21, 2021, 09:08:00 pm says: I see no issues with the signing of the LGBTQ executive orders.  The sky did not fall, God did not admit anyone, no police showed up to check if I was harboring Gays,  no Churches burned up nothing.  I think the reactions or overreactions.  The churches have solid grounds to stand on if they chose to be an exclusive country club that only those that act and look a certain way can attend, then they can be.    Those that chose to be inclusive, they can.  AND guess what each and every one of us gets to pick the one we attend, and WE AL HAVE the right to ignore the rest.
Remeber your own hate only punishes you.  The others by and large will not care about your positions.  Take care of yourself and your salvation and do not worry about those that have chosen a different journey.  

That is my viewpoint and humble opinion.   NOTHING and I mean NOTHING in that order will affect me and my faith, belief and position.
January 21, 2021, 06:35:13 pm says: good evening to all.....the signing of the LGBTXXXXXX executive orders has already begun. I say to all the churches, Watch out!
January 21, 2021, 10:07:06 am says: good morning to all
January 20, 2021, 09:43:34 pm says: It was a unique Inauguration Day.  I think my favorite part when I was watching was the Poet and her prose/poetry.  So poised and such a brilliantly written work.  Like or dislike who is in office or any of the other points of the day, If you are a fan of spoken words and written truths, you should be have loved that.  Just my humble opinion though
January 20, 2021, 06:15:22 pm says: good evening to all.
January 20, 2021, 10:52:10 am patrick jane says: Happy Inauguration Day everyone -  ;D
January 19, 2021, 06:40:19 pm patrick jane says: hELLO bLADE AND EVERYONE.
January 19, 2021, 05:49:10 pm says: good evening to all.
January 18, 2021, 07:22:02 pm says: Good evening to all...
Mark, I'll second that. Amen
January 18, 2021, 06:01:53 pm says: Happy MLK day.  There are many lessons that he gave to us based on his time as a Minister and a reader of the scriptures  
I pray for all of us and all America.
January 18, 2021, 01:20:30 pm says: Good morning everyone
January 17, 2021, 07:41:29 pm says: thanks Mark
January 17, 2021, 03:48:28 pm says: PSA = public service annuncment
January 17, 2021, 01:12:37 pm says: Good morning Mark...My knowledge of acronyms is horrendous. Please explain PSA in the context you were using it.

I understand your loathing of labels and I was speaking strictly how the warnings you brought up would affect the churches, all churches including the people of a particular label, 'the overcomers or believers'.

("For those of you that have a church or attend a church considered Moderate to liberal, this warning is being sent out")

In reality, we have a new administration who has issued many things that he will do during the first 100 days..One of these is the Equity Act. This will affect not only churches but also the parishoners within them everywhere they go. Another is to remove the C3 Tax status of a church if they (the church) do not comply with the governmental standards. If this becomes reality, all "non-apostate" churches as well as many of the "apostate" churches will fail while others will further conform to the standards of the "who"

Mark, we do not have to speak of politics to speak of how the Romans affected the churches of the first century or how
the label Judaizers was used for the 1st century disrupters of the Christian churches. It is no different today. The divisiveness between those on the so-called 'left leaning socialist' and the people of those churches whose morality is aligned with those of Biblical scriptures, is very wide indeed.

Rem. the Holocaust of WWII (brought on by a socialist nation) only happened because all of the clergy and those in the pulpits did not speak up (in Europe or America) but rather buried their heads in the sand and let it happen.

Was this politics. Yes, to some degree until one side consumed the other side. then there was NO politics just WAR!

I do not approve of what is going on, but I only had my vote to counter it with and that was not enough. Now I wait for the other shoe to drop and hope/pray that what I have said is all a fiction in my mind.

Before I go, I would like to say that GOD is in controll and has a plan. Nothing that happens in the next 4 years will have just fallen out of his hands and hit the floor. In the Bible, The USA seems to no longer be in a position of a superpower. Is it because we are so distracted by other things that we do not clearly see the prophecies of the mid-east beginning to be fulfilled?

stay safe my friend and brother in Christ.

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January 17, 2021, 01:02:40 am says: I will not talk politics and I detest labels of right, left, liberal and conservative or any other label.  It all leads to hate discontent, lies, and misunderstanding.  I posted the possible threat that was sent out to churches as a PSA nothing more. Beleive, consider it a lie, misunderstand it.  That is your choice.  Me, I did it strict as a service.
January 16, 2021, 11:20:56 pm patrick jane says: The people that attacked the Capitol were not real Trump supporters. They were paid actors performing for camera crews. Any attacks on churches will not come from Trump supporters or Conservative people.
January 16, 2021, 12:35:41 pm says: Mark, those who plan  harm to Liberal Churches, do not know there are no liberal churches just apostate churches. They know not the difference and frankly they do not care.

During this coming administration within the 1st 100 days, I think we will see an attack on both the church (1st amendment) and the 2nd amendment.

The "WOKE" generation's plans will not work without these amendments out of the way. The churches by the time it is over will have "liberal groups" Rep and a lawyer sitting on the front steps awaiting for the church to open it's doors...In the end, the congregation will have to  go underground or at least back to the days of Jesus where the churches were mostly held at a private resisdence.

We-- both of us, along with millions of other Christians will be feeling this coming pain very soon.
January 15, 2021, 11:33:27 pm patrick jane says: Thank you Chaplain.
January 15, 2021, 11:12:31 pm says: For those of you that have a church or attend a church considered Moderate to liberal, this warning is being sent out

To our churches:

While we are hesitant to raise the alarm and/or overreact, recent events compel us to inform you about what we are hearing regarding possible threats that have come to our attention. There are reports that "liberal" churches will become targets of possible attacks in the coming week, with the dates of Jan. 17 and Jan. 20 featured more prominently. We strongly encourage you to be attendant to all safety concerns for ministers and congregants, even if it means meeting in a way that is other than in person at a church building this week.
January 15, 2021, 09:45:10 am says: good morning to all. Hope everyone is healthy and safe. I pray all who are searching for Jesus have a blessed weekend.
January 15, 2021, 06:29:06 am patrick jane says: Hello all, I hope you all have a good weekend with family and friends and keep Jesus on your mind for best results.
January 14, 2021, 08:46:54 am says: Not at liberty to say but has to do with someone close to me hurting and why
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