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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2020, 08:25:40 pm »
My pov is sure to get me into trouble, but here it goes.

We cannot choose who we are attracted to, but we can choose what we do with that attraction.  For example, if we entertain lustful thoughts it is as if we commit adultery. 

I believe that homosexuality has a beautiful gift...let me explain...one of the most under talked about fruits of the Spirit is self-control and if there was ever any doubt, we all need to learn self-control over our sexual desires.  The homosexual that learns to exercise that self-control is yielding to the HS and has just received one of the greatest gifts God gives to His believers.  IOW's homosexuality is an opportunity to learn self-control just like poverty is an opportunity to learn to be content like no other lesson can teach us.

have to think of this a bit.

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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2020, 09:57:29 am »
My pov is sure to get me into trouble, but here it goes.

We cannot choose who we are attracted to, but we can choose what we do with that attraction.  For example, if we entertain lustful thoughts it is as if we commit adultery. 

I believe that homosexuality has a beautiful gift...let me explain...one of the most under talked about fruits of the Spirit is self-control and if there was ever any doubt, we all need to learn self-control over our sexual desires.  The homosexual that learns to exercise that self-control is yielding to the HS and has just received one of the greatest gifts God gives to His believers.  IOW's homosexuality is an opportunity to learn self-control just like poverty is an opportunity to learn to be content like no other lesson can teach us.
I can agree somewhat. However, I don't expect the number of gays in control of their lusts and desires to be any more or less than straight people, which is not a high percentage. Sexual deviance is one of the most insidious behaviors to engage in.
the same can be said about poor people, just because they don't necessarily learn the lesson does NOT mean God didn't put it there for them to learn.   Look back at Gen. weeds are there to remind us to be righteous, just because most see weeds as something to get rid of, a curse to end, doesn't mean their purpose has changed.

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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2020, 07:51:15 pm »
My pov is sure to get me into trouble, but here it goes.

We cannot choose who we are attracted to, but we can choose what we do with that attraction.  For example, if we entertain lustful thoughts it is as if we commit adultery. 

I believe that homosexuality has a beautiful gift...let me explain...one of the most under talked about fruits of the Spirit is self-control and if there was ever any doubt, we all need to learn self-control over our sexual desires.  The homosexual that learns to exercise that self-control is yielding to the HS and has just received one of the greatest gifts God gives to His believers.  IOW's homosexuality is an opportunity to learn self-control just like poverty is an opportunity to learn to be content like no other lesson can teach us.
I can agree somewhat. However, I don't expect the number of gays in control of their lusts and desires to be any more or less than straight people, which is not a high percentage. Sexual deviance is one of the most insidious behaviors to engage in.
the same can be said about poor people, just because they don't necessarily learn the lesson does NOT mean God didn't put it there for them to learn.   Look back at Gen. weeds are there to remind us to be righteous, just because most see weeds as something to get rid of, a curse to end, doesn't mean their purpose has changed.

If I am not mistaken, you are saying GOD put the homosexual tendencies in people????? If this is not what you are saying, please help.

Blade
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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2020, 07:52:40 pm »
My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian life.   I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus' teaching to put forth.  While I may or may not agree with lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how they have lived their life.  If they live there life in an upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they have the same considerations as anyone else?

My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance.  My question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is: "When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow man?  I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"

I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.

This is just my humble opinion and postion
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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2020, 07:48:18 am »
My pov is sure to get me into trouble, but here it goes.

We cannot choose who we are attracted to, but we can choose what we do with that attraction.  For example, if we entertain lustful thoughts it is as if we commit adultery. 

I believe that homosexuality has a beautiful gift...let me explain...one of the most under talked about fruits of the Spirit is self-control and if there was ever any doubt, we all need to learn self-control over our sexual desires.  The homosexual that learns to exercise that self-control is yielding to the HS and has just received one of the greatest gifts God gives to His believers.  IOW's homosexuality is an opportunity to learn self-control just like poverty is an opportunity to learn to be content like no other lesson can teach us.
I can agree somewhat. However, I don't expect the number of gays in control of their lusts and desires to be any more or less than straight people, which is not a high percentage. Sexual deviance is one of the most insidious behaviors to engage in.
the same can be said about poor people, just because they don't necessarily learn the lesson does NOT mean God didn't put it there for them to learn.   Look back at Gen. weeds are there to remind us to be righteous, just because most see weeds as something to get rid of, a curse to end, doesn't mean their purpose has changed.

If I am not mistaken, you are saying GOD put the homosexual tendencies in people????? If this is not what you are saying, please help.

Blade
I am saying that God is giving them a gift if they only use it...He KNITS us together in our mother's womb, you tell me which characteristics are left out of that knitting?

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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2020, 07:50:48 am »
My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian life.   I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus' teaching to put forth.  While I may or may not agree with lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how they have lived their life.  If they live there life in an upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they have the same considerations as anyone else?

My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance.  My question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is: "When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow man?  I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"

I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.

This is just my humble opinion and postion
My only response to this is that scripture tells us that if we see a brother in sin to try to help restore him without joining in his sin...iow's there is a difference between judging and turning our backs on a brother that needs our help to overcome a sin.

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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2020, 04:52:07 pm »
My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian life.   I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus' teaching to put forth.  While I may or may not agree with lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how they have lived their life.  If they live there life in an upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they have the same considerations as anyone else?

My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance.  My question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is: "When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow man?  I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"

I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.

This is just my humble opinion and postion
My only response to this is that scripture tells us that if we see a brother in sin to try to help restore him without joining in his sin...iow's there is a difference between judging and turning our backs on a brother that needs our help to overcome a sin.
I see
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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2020, 11:16:48 am »
My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian life.   I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus' teaching to put forth.  While I may or may not agree with lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how they have lived their life.  If they live there life in an upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they have the same considerations as anyone else?

My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance.  My question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is: "When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow man?  I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"

I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.

This is just my humble opinion and postion
My only response to this is that scripture tells us that if we see a brother in sin to try to help restore him without joining in his sin...iow's there is a difference between judging and turning our backs on a brother that needs our help to overcome a sin.
I see
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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2020, 07:55:45 pm »
My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian life.   I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus' teaching to put forth.  While I may or may not agree with lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how they have lived their life.  If they live there life in an upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they have the same considerations as anyone else?

My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance.  My question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is: "When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow man?  I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"

I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.

This is just my humble opinion and postion
My only response to this is that scripture tells us that if we see a brother in sin to try to help restore him without joining in his sin...iow's there is a difference between judging and turning our backs on a brother that needs our help to overcome a sin.
I see
:o

If they have a propensity for the homosexual lifestyle, yet they steer away from it and follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I agree with you Mark. However, they cannot have both at the same time....Jesus does NOT say this.

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Acts 17:11.."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2020, 07:02:01 pm »
My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian life.   I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus' teaching to put forth.  While I may or may not agree with lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how they have lived their life.  If they live there life in an upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they have the same considerations as anyone else?

My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance.  My question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is: "When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow man?  I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"

I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.

This is just my humble opinion and postion
My only response to this is that scripture tells us that if we see a brother in sin to try to help restore him without joining in his sin...iow's there is a difference between judging and turning our backs on a brother that needs our help to overcome a sin.
I see
:o

If they have a propensity for the homosexual lifestyle, yet they steer away from it and follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I agree with you Mark. However, they cannot have both at the same time....Jesus does NOT say this.

Blade
Yep
Hearing, believing and trusting the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross; His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and REPENTING, seals us with that Holy Spirit of Promise - EPHESIANS 1:10-14 KJV - The Lord is not slack concerning His promise. 2 Peter 3:9 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV - Ephesians 1:10-14 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 - Romans 10:17 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Colossians 1:14 KJV -


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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2020, 08:55:47 pm »
 ;D
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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2020, 09:01:23 pm »
;D

The US is under judgement of GOD three times. see Romans 1:24-25,26-27,28-32

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Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2020, 11:31:49 am »
ImCo:
The term Christian is meaningless sin this case as too broad. It refers to anyone who claims to believe in Christ as saviour and who attends a church service in nominal fashion.

On the other hand the sinful elect will be cured of their addiction to evil by being reborn whether in a church or not and the reprobate non-elect who can never be saved as condemned already will never be reborn even if they are Christian overachievers wth a perfect lifestyle.

Our work, our theologies nor our life style do not save us, only a true living faith in Christ as Saviour which brought us under the election promise of salvation.

But living a sinful lifestyle is a pretty good sign one is not yet reborn.
Wheat are NOT reborn / regenerate tares !!!

Matt 13:36-43  ...Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

38 the field is the world
good seed are of the kingdom sown by the Son of man
tares are of the wicked one 39 sown by the devil


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