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Just to be the fly in the ointment.  Every time this argument of the LBGT community and God comes up I wonder why it matters.  They are accepted by God or not is not my call or my issue.  It is between them and God.   If they read the bible, good on them.  If the quietly attend a church and do nothing any of the others of us do, no problem.   As long as they do not try to convert me or include me in anything, I do not care what the do when it comes to their religion.  It truly becomes between them and God.  I do not suppose myself to be so wise as to supplant God's ultimate judgment on them with my own.  Those that are judging others in God's name are no worse than those they presume to judge.

Exclude them from your life, from your church from work,  that's all the evil you do, Judge them in God's name and you too shall be judged. 

So in my humble opinion, just drop this and let us move to make the world live more in harmony.

you said, Mark. "As long as they do not try to convert me or include me in anything, I do not care what the do when it comes to their religion."

Do they need to know the gospel of Jesus Christ, YES!
Do We need to tell them what awaits for them if they do not change their ways! YES!

In Romans 1, Paul gives us Jesus' words about the Judgement of the LGBTQX?

In fact, this Judgement has already come upon the US and the earth!

Rom 1:24-25..(KJV)..Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Notice the "Wherefore God also gave them up" part...He says this three times, with three different judgements.

We know they are judgements for we have  approx dates the judgement began. Yes, that all three judgements have happen within the last 50 years.

Rom 1:24 started in the 80's and 90's with the sexual revolution. "to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves"

Some of you may not remember that far back and some will say it started a little earlier. Yet by most accounts the 'anything goes' sexual revolution started in the late 80's and early 90's.

Rom 1:25.. "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. "  This is also the time where the Philadephia Church became a 'has been' and the "I have need of nothing " church began.

The second phase started around 2002-205..where the Homosexuals came out in numbers and the LGBTqx.... began. Here we hear these words again.

Rom 1:26-27..(KJV).."For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

The vile affections are considered the STDs or  sexually transmitted diseases. As a former health person, the STDs have been around for a long time rising and lowering in numbers according to the population and wars (i.e. Vietnam war) of the time. Yet, in the early 2000s, these STDs skyrocketed and have yet to come back down.

The Judgement was Homosexuality itself. Yes, here is what GOD states.

HE GAVE THEM OVER TO:" for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Then around 2015, These people decided that they no longer were of the sex they were born with. That they were no longer a he or a she.  I ask you...What kind of mind comes to these conclusions.  A REPROBATE MIND?

Rom 1:28..(KJV).. "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"

Today the homosexuals believe in pushing their sickness on to others and the churches. Yet, we are not to judge them???? I don't believe God actually said that.

Rom 1:29-31 God gives us the sins they and others will commit

"Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:"


Rom 1:31.."Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Mark, I have always tried not to judge the individual but rather judge the sin that they commit.

For in reality there is only one sin that will send you to HELL and that is "UnBELIEF" - "according to Scriptures"

"when you say they are accepted by GOD", I say unless they turn around to believe in His name (according to scripture) and repent from their sins recorded in Rom 1:24-31; GOD will not accept them according to His WORD!

As for the sins represented in this chapter, yes they have happened before but not on the world wide scale that is seen these days. I have friends that are of that persuasion and have told themthe consequences of their actions. Their reply of thank you but am not interested, told me all I needed to know. Yes, they are still friends and in the end when I am in heaven, I too will cry a tear for all those possibilities that were missed resulting in an eternity without GOD  for many.


We are charged with bringing them the gospel of Jesus Christ according to scripture. Without judging someones actions (fruits) one cannot know who to bring this Gospel to...


Sticking one's head in the sand as many do, especially many of the Charismatic/Ecumenical churches believing that all will go to heaven.This in my opinion and many others is not-biblical.

Thanks Mark and have a great day.

Blade
Great post Blade

 

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