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Dispensationalism And A Remnent In the Church Age
« on: October 17, 2018, 03:35:47 pm »
Dispensationalism and a Remnant In the Church Age?

See: http://www.according2prophecy.org/52colleague.html

"The remnant is the Jewish wing of the Church. The church is an airplane that only has two wings, a Jewish wing and a Gentile wing. If one wing is lost or ignored, the church crashes."

I thought that the founders of dispensationalism said that Old Covenant Israel and the Church are different groups of God's people who remain separate. Dispensationalism is a confusing theology.

See: http://www.according2prophecy.org/52colleague.html

"Remnant: The concept of remnant can be Biblically defined as that continuous portion, be it large or small, of the community of ethnic Israel which has been supernaturally preserved and redeemed through various divine judgments throughout various dispensations. This preservation is on account of Godís sovereign choice, or election, and not by virtue of human effort."

The above tries to define the remnant as being only a Jewish group and there is therefore no remnant of Gentiles or of the Church, though sometimes dispensationalism says that saved Jews and Saved Gentiles make up a unity of God's people.

But Revelation 12: 17 says "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Is not Revelation 12: 17 a prophecy, not a statement on the history of Old Covenant Israel? And is not this remnant a remnant during the Church age, and the existence of a remnant implies a falling away from sound doctrine - see I Timothy 1: 10, especially II Timothy 4: 3?  "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"

Dispensationalism itself could not be a falling away from sound doctrine, could it, not in the eyes of the dispensationalists?

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Re: Dispensationalism And A Remnent In the Church Age
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2018, 09:23:43 am »
Dispensationalism and a Remnant In the Church Age?

See: http://www.according2prophecy.org/52colleague.html

"The remnant is the Jewish wing of the Church. The church is an airplane that only has two wings, a Jewish wing and a Gentile wing. If one wing is lost or ignored, the church crashes."

I thought that the founders of dispensationalism said that Old Covenant Israel and the Church are different groups of God's people who remain separate. Dispensationalism is a confusing theology.

See: http://www.according2prophecy.org/52colleague.html

"Remnant: The concept of remnant can be Biblically defined as that continuous portion, be it large or small, of the community of ethnic Israel which has been supernaturally preserved and redeemed through various divine judgments throughout various dispensations. This preservation is on account of Godís sovereign choice, or election, and not by virtue of human effort."

The above tries to define the remnant as being only a Jewish group and there is therefore no remnant of Gentiles or of the Church, though sometimes dispensationalism says that saved Jews and Saved Gentiles make up a unity of God's people.

But Revelation 12: 17 says "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Is not Revelation 12: 17 a prophecy, not a statement on the history of Old Covenant Israel? And is not this remnant a remnant during the Church age, and the existence of a remnant implies a falling away from sound doctrine - see I Timothy 1: 10, especially II Timothy 4: 3?  "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"

Dispensationalism itself could not be a falling away from sound doctrine, could it, not in the eyes of the dispensationalists?


The real Definition of dispensation in the Bible is: A period of time where GOD "Acts and Reacts" to the people of the World (Adam and Eve were not Jewish, neither was Noah, His wife and Sons)  differentlythan He does in other periods of time.

Some place Creation and the time period up to Noah's Flood in one dispensation. Some split it up into two dispensations.

There are Hyper-Dispensationalists who want to highlight every thing they deem important and tell us GOD has treated these people differently.

There are many as in the early dispensationalists that try to preach the gospel or control those who would believe.

I would prefer to think that the dispensations in the Bible are there by divine design for a specific reason. Below are what I believe could sum up the dispensations of the Bible.

1. Creation/ Fall (Lost of Innocence)

2. "LAW".  Without the LAW, how would one determine if they had sinned. Most people until this time had no idea what a sin was. The "LAW" defined it. While the "LAW"  was given to Israel, it was also available for the Gentiles. Yes, there were several Gentiles that became believers in GOD during this time.

3. The "Kingdom". The "Law" is halted along with All prophets (even Jesus Christ, the son of man).  Jesus Christ is announced to the world as the Messiah. During this time, the Kingdom of Heaven (the future Millennium) is preached to people of the Jewish Faith. During this time, Gentiles that are not of the Jewish Faith are left out.  Had the Jewish Leaders accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah, the Kingdom of Heaven (future Millennium) would have existed at that time. It is unknown how the Gentiles would have fit into this scenario thus I will not speculate.

4. The "Period of Grace". This dispensational period started during the time period of "Acts chapter 2" and was/IS being played out on the world's stage. With the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ in the former dispensation, a specific period of "GRACE" unlike anything known in other dispensations begins. The "Promise" that if ONE believes in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Calls on HIS Name prior to their Death, everlasting life can be achieved. One's "WORKS" is not a factor to receiving the Grace of GOD in this dispensation as compared to others. The "Indwelling" of the Holy Spirit is another feature of the "Period of Grace" not offered to everyone in previous or future dispensations.

5. The Period of Judgement (future): Following the departure of the Period of Grace (future), this dispensation will bring Judgements upon the whole world. It will end with the 2nd Advent of Jesus Christ. There is more known about this period of than any other dispensation including the 2nd advent, over the last 6000 years.

6. The Millennium: A period of 1000 years where Jesus Christ will rule the earth with a rod of Iron. The REMNANT of Israel, those who fled Jerusalem when the AoD happened back during the period of the Judgement Dispensation. They will rule Israel and all nations along the side of Jesus Christ. This is a period of time when the surviving gentile nations that helped and supported Israel  (according to God's WORD to Abraham) will live. Gentiles and their Children will have 100 years to decide if they believe in Jesus Christ or NOT! During this time a NEW Gospel (the everlasting gospel, REV 14:6) as preached in the previous dispensation will be in effect during this 1000 years.

7. New Earth and New Jerusalem. This is the last period of dispensation in which Jesus judges all those throughout the entire 7000 years who refuse to accept God. These people will be judged according to their works. and if found  guilty will be placed in a "Lake of Fire" for an Eternity.  A New Earth without Seas will be created, the New Jerusalem will come down to earth where God will walk with the people as He did in the Beginning with Adam and Eve. The Tree of Life will sit in the middle of New Jerusalem for all to partake in.

This pretty well sums up the Bible from the Beginning to the End with Seven dispensation over 7 thousand years. A Number(7) throughout the Bible denoting "completion"

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Re: Dispensationalism And A Remnent In the Church Age
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2018, 10:48:36 am »
"The Millennium: A period of 1000 years where Jesus Christ will rule the earth with a rod of Iron. The REMNANT of Israel, those who fled Jerusalem when the AoD happened back during the period of the Judgement Dispensation. They will rule Israel and all nations along the side of Jesus Christ. This is a period of time when the surviving gentile nations that helped and supported Israel  (according to God's WORD to Abraham) will live."

What is meant by the remnant of Israel is very important in the doctrine above.

Is the remnant of Israel above  meant that remnant in Romans 11: 1-5, "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2.     God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3.     Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4.     But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5.     Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."

If the remnant of Israel is this remnant above which attained to the election of grace and began the New Covenant, then where in the New Testament is this shown?

Also look at this:  "This is a period of time when the surviving gentile nations that helped and supported Israel  (according to God's WORD to Abraham) will live. "

Israel above appears to be the Nation of Israel begun in 1948 over in the Mid East, which is very different from the remnant of Israel in Romans 11: 1-5 because this remnant of Israel is elected to salvation  and Talmudic Judaism is not, and tends also to be influenced by the religion of the Pharisees. 

The peculiar theology of dispensationalism shows itself in the inclusion of Talmudic Judaism - "Israel after the flesh" - operating with the remnant of Israel which is a spiritual group. 

"Israel after the flesh" is also the multitude of Old Covenant Israel, not the remnant of Israel (Romans 11: 1-5).  Dispensationalism focuses upon the multitude of Israel.

And dispensationalism uses a strictly  literal system of interpretation of the final chapters of the Book of Revelation - Chapters 19, 20, and 21.  The Book of Revelation tends to make use of metaphor in very many chapters after Revelation Chapter Three.


 

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